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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco, SAT. And now your hosts Isaiah Stanback,
Speaker 1: heck Ma Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's. It is
Speaker 1: another Talking Cowboys Tuesday here in the off season from
Speaker 1: the SWBC studios at the Star in Frisco, May thirty first,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. It is the final day of the
Speaker 1: month of May, which means we are getting closer and
Speaker 1: closer to the twenty twenty two NFL season, and we'll
Speaker 1: break down the first week of OTAs and a whole
Speaker 1: lot more here over the next hour. Back with the
Speaker 1: usual crew. Heck My Harrison, Isaiah stand Back, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman's. We've got Jazz in the back running
Speaker 1: the show for Chris Beam this week. And gentlemen, we're
Speaker 1: getting closer. You got to see a little bit of
Speaker 1: a glimpse of football. You can get that little itch.
Speaker 1: Its starting to kind of get to that point where
Speaker 1: you feel like it's it's not right around the corner
Speaker 1: but it feels like it's getting there. One hundred days.
Speaker 1: Did you scratch the itch though a little bit? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just a quick scratch, A little tease is all
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, But one hundred days to the season,
Speaker 1: I believe exactly today? Is it one hundred today? Because
Speaker 1: according to Adam Schefter that was his scoop for the morning,
Speaker 1: Oh to the season, Cowboys got one hundred and three
Speaker 1: games earth days till their game. Okay, how many days
Speaker 1: do we have to count, Kyle? I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about it. Less less than one hundred a lot
Speaker 1: less days days we're there. I had my math wrong
Speaker 1: a couple of times because I was thinking seventy days,
Speaker 1: but I turned that into seven weeks and not the
Speaker 1: right man. That's okay, it's more than seven weeks. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you that much. I guess last time. It was
Speaker 1: nine and a half weeks last week, so that would
Speaker 1: make it eight and a half weeks from you guys
Speaker 1: in some Memorial days too. Oh, it's amazing high quality.
Speaker 1: Why are you talking about the can of the day blue?
Speaker 1: You can't get over the fact that it's in a can. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like stone cold, but like really not smash together.
Speaker 1: You saw it. You saw the stone cold smash. I
Speaker 1: mean this is high quality. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: better because it's in a can or Steve Wiser's good stuff. Man, Sorry,
Speaker 1: he's just trying. Memorial Day deal. This I got down
Speaker 1: Memorial Day and I l deals it's working its way
Speaker 1: to the steadfast eligibility. Yeah, how was your Memorial Day?
Speaker 1: It's good? Yeah, that's good. It's just chilling. You know.
Speaker 1: I got a green thumb over the weekend. Who rubs?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, down some some trees and such and got
Speaker 1: completely eight up. But yeah, man, I got rewarded, you
Speaker 1: know for all of my hard work. You know, got
Speaker 1: loo to dinner and all of that. Yes, Nikki, I
Speaker 1: did a good thing. And that's a show right home.
Speaker 1: And of course honoring all of the men and women
Speaker 1: that have fallen in our arm for throughout the years.
Speaker 1: So it was it was a great weekend, but we
Speaker 1: also got to keep in mind why it was there.
Speaker 1: Let's take a look at some of the news and
Speaker 1: notes from our cowboys first week of OTAs anything pop
Speaker 1: out of their rock. Yeah, I mean it was a
Speaker 1: like you said, it's scratched a little bit of an itch,
Speaker 1: you know, finally get him on the field, watch some
Speaker 1: guys in nonpad situations. Um, you got to see a
Speaker 1: little glimpse of what the offense looks like without Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be a little bit till we see
Speaker 1: the full core because you got guys dealing with some stuff.
Speaker 1: So you had Dak Prescott out there without James Washington,
Speaker 1: without Jalen Tolbert, without Michael Gallup, So it was, you know,
Speaker 1: you got to project a little bit, but you know
Speaker 1: it was it was nice to see guys just back
Speaker 1: on the field doing some stuff. And they've got two
Speaker 1: of them this week, only two coming off the long weekend,
Speaker 1: and man, in two weeks from now they got the
Speaker 1: mini camp, then they're out out for the summer. Now
Speaker 1: what that was going on with Jalen Tolbert, Pee, You
Speaker 1: gotta give me some information on this because I think
Speaker 1: that's where Cowboy fans were just freaking out that he
Speaker 1: started off with the it's rid jersey, yellow jersey, whatever jersey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was doing some stuff with Britt Brown, Cowboys director
Speaker 1: of Rehabilitation, which I think it's more fun to practice
Speaker 1: than it is at work with britt most of the
Speaker 1: time sounds like he's probably I think it's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a hamstring, And Mike McCarthy said he might
Speaker 1: be back on the field this week, so they don't
Speaker 1: think it's anything serious. James Washington was in a boot.
Speaker 1: They didn't really provide much detail on why. But he
Speaker 1: may be back in the next couple weeks. If not,
Speaker 1: I would say by training camp. But they may be
Speaker 1: may be something that they're just going to be careful
Speaker 1: with up Loxnar. We'll see. But but you're you're starting
Speaker 1: three receivers during these drills, and they did a lot
Speaker 1: of situational stuff. It was an installed day. They did
Speaker 1: some two minute type stuff offensively and defensively. You had
Speaker 1: Noah Brown and Simon Fojoko as you're starting outside receivers
Speaker 1: with the first team, and you had CD working inside,
Speaker 1: which is what he's done for the duration of his
Speaker 1: career mostly so far, so had to adjust. And no
Speaker 1: Tyrant Smith either, at least in that practice that we
Speaker 1: saw last week, is back tightened up on him. So
Speaker 1: you had Matt Well let's go and Josh Ball getting
Speaker 1: first team reps. Yeah, I think you look at what
Speaker 1: Heckman is talking about freaking out about Jaylen Tilbert, and
Speaker 1: it's easy to have that overreaction after the first OTAs
Speaker 1: and guys are out. But I think the one where,
Speaker 1: one place that that's founded is the fact that Tyron
Speaker 1: Smith already is having some kind of back tightness and
Speaker 1: there's just something there and it's lingering into this offseason
Speaker 1: and it continues to be a storyline because I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what the storyline has been, is how healthy is
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith going to be able to stay throughout an
Speaker 1: entire off season and end of the regular season. And
Speaker 1: the answer so far as he's still missing a little
Speaker 1: bit of time. I got so much to put on
Speaker 1: our plate already, and I mean, here we are in
Speaker 1: May and we're talking about back tightness. I'm not worried
Speaker 1: about it. Good guys, I really am not. Nobody really
Speaker 1: should be. Let's I mean, here's the thing, because we
Speaker 1: know he's gonna miss some games, let's just put that
Speaker 1: in our heads. Last season, I believe he played eleven games,
Speaker 1: eleven games and six mixed six. So let's say the
Speaker 1: over under this year, if we get thirteen, we're good.
Speaker 1: And I think the swing tackle positioning you just got
Speaker 1: to insert X Files music right there, because we can't
Speaker 1: we figure out who the swing tackle is. And it's
Speaker 1: the biggest mystery going into camp who is going to
Speaker 1: be the swing tackle? And not enough has been made
Speaker 1: about it, seriously, not enough it's been made about it
Speaker 1: because we've got to figure that part out, especially if
Speaker 1: we've let well let go of some our right tackle
Speaker 1: now we have still we don't even have them and
Speaker 1: as an option anymore to be our swing tackle. So
Speaker 1: those are just some of the bigger lingering questions about
Speaker 1: up front. And I know that's something that worries you
Speaker 1: as well. It definitely worries me. That's a position that
Speaker 1: you wanted to share up this offseason. They haven't done
Speaker 1: so yet. There's still a lot of time. We still
Speaker 1: have a couple of months before camp. I'm as swimming
Speaker 1: seven eight weeks and running that's something, So there's still time.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's a position that they're going
Speaker 1: to have to address along with some other positions, especially
Speaker 1: as some of these injuries kind of linger around. It's
Speaker 1: it's if you're going to sustain some of these soft
Speaker 1: tissue injuries and things in a nature. First of all,
Speaker 1: Cowboys Nation. Soft tissue injuries around this time of the
Speaker 1: year is expected, especially for rickies seemingly seemingly just front
Speaker 1: of a standpoint that they're coming off of training for
Speaker 1: specific drills and now all of a sudden, they're coming
Speaker 1: out of training for months on end for those specific
Speaker 1: drills forty broad jump, all those things, and now they're
Speaker 1: going to transition straight into playing football again. You're going
Speaker 1: to sustain some soft tissue injuries because you're moving in
Speaker 1: multiple facts, right, You're moving in different angles, you're planning,
Speaker 1: you're cutting, you're celerating, you're taking on resistance from other guys.
Speaker 1: Now you're going to sustain some of those injuries until
Speaker 1: your body adapts back into that environment again. So it's okay,
Speaker 1: Tobra will be fine watching all these guys will be
Speaker 1: perfectly fine. However, you want to see what the moves
Speaker 1: of Cowboys are going to make going into this summer
Speaker 1: because you want to have that depth, that depth, that
Speaker 1: that confidence that you had last season. Hey, if somebody
Speaker 1: goes down, there's somebody else like a step up, or
Speaker 1: hey we have a game plan. If if Tyrant goes down,
Speaker 1: we can swing. That doesn't seem to really be in
Speaker 1: play right now, So I think that's an area that
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to shore up between now and the
Speaker 1: time training camp begins. I mean, we talked about this
Speaker 1: last week and problem spots and what's your biggest one.
Speaker 1: I said, swing tackle, just because, to Heck's point, that's
Speaker 1: a starting position based on history for at least three
Speaker 1: games over the last five years, and they have not,
Speaker 1: to Isaiah's point, have not signed a veteran for that
Speaker 1: role like they've normally done. And if you listen, if
Speaker 1: you believe Jerry Jones at the draft, he said, they're
Speaker 1: out of that market because they have three young tackles
Speaker 1: that they like and they want to see now based
Speaker 1: on performance slash injuries. You can change your opinion of
Speaker 1: that and try to go out and find a guy.
Speaker 1: But they've invested draft picks in Josh Ball, Matt Will
Speaker 1: Let's go this year, and then Tyler Smith depending on
Speaker 1: if he's a guard, Okay, take him out of that,
Speaker 1: he's left guard. But they're all in that mix, and
Speaker 1: I guess they're just gonna see it through. And I'm
Speaker 1: not worried about Tyrn Smith with the back last week,
Speaker 1: Like if you've got anything and you're going to be
Speaker 1: a key role player starter, they're gonna hold you out.
Speaker 1: Olsa had a little thigh thing that happened in OTA's
Speaker 1: last week. They held him out of the open one
Speaker 1: that people don't know you're a back sympathizer. Yeah, big time.
Speaker 1: I got two herniations back there, So I mean it sucks.
Speaker 1: We are we are and like if it doesn't go away,
Speaker 1: this is this has been a thing for Dak for
Speaker 1: not Dak, for Tyrone for for years in training camp.
Speaker 1: He'll take these maintenance days. So um. But yeah, they
Speaker 1: they they they've got youth there that they've got to
Speaker 1: find who's gonna step up there, and maybe it's Josh
Speaker 1: Ball my fear and I understand that you want to
Speaker 1: have trust and you want to have faith into your
Speaker 1: scouting department, into your coaches to be able to develop
Speaker 1: to talent, give your talent an opportunity to actually, uh
Speaker 1: you know, to you know, get their legs underneath them
Speaker 1: and say, hey, we're gonna we're gonna rest assure it
Speaker 1: on the guys that we have. I get that thinking
Speaker 1: and I understand it from the perspective of the front office. However,
Speaker 1: the worst case scenario is you're going through camp, guys,
Speaker 1: do okay, Now, all of a sudden, there's three preseason games.
Speaker 1: Three yep. Correct. You get to the first prison game,
Speaker 1: you're like, crap, and it's not what I thought, or
Speaker 1: it's not what I was hoping for, And all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, now you got two weeks to try to
Speaker 1: feel the spot before a season for depth. Right. I
Speaker 1: don't like that position because there are going to be
Speaker 1: a lot of other teams probably in that same boat.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be trying to fish out that same pool,
Speaker 1: and their fish just may not be there. So I
Speaker 1: am from the standpoint of I would prefer they secure
Speaker 1: that now, right. I know what Double Jay said. I
Speaker 1: would rather secure that now in a very friendly manner
Speaker 1: in terms of your contracts and all that jazz. Protect
Speaker 1: yourself just in case, right, And I guess what if
Speaker 1: you're young, guys panned out? It's the league, Okay, we understand,
Speaker 1: guys get cut all the time, fired however you want
Speaker 1: to look at it. It It sucks. It's a part of
Speaker 1: the business, guys understand, and you hope that they get
Speaker 1: up other opportunities, but you at least protect yourself at
Speaker 1: all times. Real quick, I wonder if it's salary to
Speaker 1: in part because they've they've spent up to I don't know,
Speaker 1: two three million on a swing tackle in the past,
Speaker 1: whether it was Cam Irving, Cam Fleming, and you know,
Speaker 1: dollars last year. Yeah, dollars are precious right now for them.
Speaker 1: And if you've got to I mean, you don't want
Speaker 1: to play around with this position. But if you've got
Speaker 1: a rookie that can win the job on much less
Speaker 1: than that, or a young player like Ball, maybe you
Speaker 1: do that. You know, I think when Jerry made the statement,
Speaker 1: I took it as you know, another jerryism, and that
Speaker 1: situation is fluid. They understand the investment that they have
Speaker 1: in Dak Prescott, and you go back over the last season,
Speaker 1: I think some of your your the lull or when
Speaker 1: the production started to swing down, was when you had
Speaker 1: that musical chair situation started to happen up front. Again,
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna give a give Dak that excuse or the
Speaker 1: Cowboys that excuse. But that's the problem that they've had,
Speaker 1: and maybe the dollars have something to do with it.
Speaker 1: But I gotta, I really gotta agree with the front
Speaker 1: office with this. When you put invest those picks you
Speaker 1: have Ball, y'all. FORNI act, like you just mentioned, you
Speaker 1: have to rely on the development of those players, and
Speaker 1: I think they feel like they have those guys to
Speaker 1: the point where, you know, look, I don't have to
Speaker 1: go out here and get three million, four million dollars
Speaker 1: swing tackle to come in here. And maybe I think
Speaker 1: the rules that the rule changes with guys that are
Speaker 1: going to the practice squad. Now, like we talked about
Speaker 1: last year, teams are now able to hoard all of
Speaker 1: their offensive line then left tackles. If you look like
Speaker 1: a left tackle go to the street. It's not happening.
Speaker 1: I mean, I would be surprised if it's Matt will
Speaker 1: Let's go Kyle swing tack right away this year coming
Speaker 1: out of North Dakota, and he had and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying this is gonna be his life or his career,
Speaker 1: but he had a welcome to the Fell moment in
Speaker 1: OTA's last week where Micael put him on his rear end,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's one on one passengers and that's
Speaker 1: just part of it. But like there's some there's some
Speaker 1: development that he's going to have to have um and
Speaker 1: maybe it's again Josh Ball at least has been in
Speaker 1: the program for a year and they like his ability
Speaker 1: and maybe that's the guy they're looking to try to
Speaker 1: seize it this year. Yeah. I think if Matt will
Speaker 1: Let's Go is the selection for the swing tackle or
Speaker 1: if he's the guy, then that says two things. One
Speaker 1: they don't feel super confident on anybody that's out in
Speaker 1: the open market. And two that's really it's not a
Speaker 1: good sign for Josh Ball because, like you said, he's
Speaker 1: been in it, he's been around, he's been in the system,
Speaker 1: He's had time to win that job plent times in
Speaker 1: the past. If Matt wi Letsko comes in as a
Speaker 1: fifth round pick and it's like, oh my gosh, here
Speaker 1: he is, Here's he's the guy, that's all a little
Speaker 1: bit of an issue. I would be. That would be
Speaker 1: where I'm looking at Isaiah across the table and saying,
Speaker 1: they don't feel comfortable with what they've got it. What's
Speaker 1: you guys his preference? Would you guys rather go into
Speaker 1: camp currently with what who you have on a roster?
Speaker 1: Would you like to solidify that by grabbing a veteran
Speaker 1: specifically specific just in case, I'd love to get a
Speaker 1: veteran Okay, just in case is mine I lived there? Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because like we haven't seen we haven't even seen Josh
Speaker 1: Ball really like he didn't He did not participate in
Speaker 1: a preseason game last year because he heard his ankle
Speaker 1: the second week of camp. So they like him, but
Speaker 1: we haven't We haven't seen it, so and they haven't
Speaker 1: seen it. So you guys running just in case, you
Speaker 1: guys are seeing nixt just in case. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I think getting a veteran tackle would certainly
Speaker 1: benefit the entire roster all the way through. So that's
Speaker 1: that's definitely something that'll be on their mind while we're
Speaker 1: talking about some of the negatives in terms of health
Speaker 1: and question marks around that offense in OTAs, let's flip it.
Speaker 1: Here's a positive, the fact that Dak Prescott is completely
Speaker 1: healthy in this offseason for the first time in two years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: crack open that ice cold day, Jean blue Water in
Speaker 1: a camp, cheers everybody to Dak Prescott being held at everybody. Hey,
Speaker 1: so what kind of impact does that give Isaiah on
Speaker 1: an offense on a team when your leader is not
Speaker 1: only back, he's in the room, he's in those meetings,
Speaker 1: and he's fully capable of contributing. But also he is
Speaker 1: fully healthy, and he's looking better than he has in
Speaker 1: probably two years. It makes you feel good. I mean,
Speaker 1: stress lovers are low. I just finished watching Obi Kenobi
Speaker 1: in first two episodes. You know, and Obie's back. You
Speaker 1: know he's back. You know did Obi Gonobia the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys is back. And he's the man. He's the leader
Speaker 1: of this offense. He's a leader of this organization. And
Speaker 1: you know, you think Jerry Jones and you think Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: Those are the two people when you think about, well,
Speaker 1: you got w j up top, and you got you
Speaker 1: got Dack down here on the underground level. And when
Speaker 1: he's healthy, you don't have to worry about the what ifs.
Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about all His office is
Speaker 1: gonna look okay? Are they gonna have some continuity? Are
Speaker 1: these guys didn't get the information relayed? How is there?
Speaker 1: You know, are these guys gonna be in sync as
Speaker 1: new receivers the tight ends or how is it gonna flow? You?
Speaker 1: All those worries that you had before kind of go away,
Speaker 1: and you're able to look at the production that he
Speaker 1: had last year and identify. Okay, this is what he
Speaker 1: did well. This is he had some lolls when he
Speaker 1: wasn't healthy. Okay, So if we eliminate those, what does
Speaker 1: his offense look like? Because we understand that this offense
Speaker 1: can only go as far as Dak's health goes. You
Speaker 1: can work around a lot of other things in this offense.
Speaker 1: If Dad's not healthy, you're on the struggle bus. I
Speaker 1: don't care who the heck you got back there. So
Speaker 1: it's awesome that he's healthy. It's awesome that he's able
Speaker 1: to get this work full speed reps with his new guys,
Speaker 1: his new acquisitions, because they're gonna need that going into camp. No.
Speaker 1: I you know, I talk about Dac all day. You
Speaker 1: hate me to talk about Dad. I mean it's look,
Speaker 1: I feel as though last season the disadvantage was coming
Speaker 1: into OTAs that he wasn't healthy. You didn't know what
Speaker 1: version of Dak you were going to get. So coming
Speaker 1: into the seventh season, I think you feel a lot
Speaker 1: comfortable knowing that he has a full off season. Now,
Speaker 1: he's getting healthier, The ankle should be a lot better.
Speaker 1: All of the information that he's been getting talking about
Speaker 1: from the doctors and saying that you'll be much better
Speaker 1: from this injury in your second season. So I'm looking
Speaker 1: for that. The Cowboys need that and so but I'm
Speaker 1: with you. If his health ain't right, this whole thing
Speaker 1: ain't right. And I mean, all of your investment is
Speaker 1: put there in him, and the amount of money that
Speaker 1: he demands as a salary as a Dallas Cowboys quarterback
Speaker 1: is astronomical and you have to build around that. I
Speaker 1: feel I want Dak to go scorched earth this year,
Speaker 1: I really do. I want him to have the kind
Speaker 1: of season where he is playing some of the top
Speaker 1: tier quarterbacks in this league. He burned them down and
Speaker 1: that's what he has to do to get to the
Speaker 1: end of the season this time next year. So for
Speaker 1: all those nay says, and I know none of the
Speaker 1: guys they say they don't care about that, but he's
Speaker 1: got to shut some people up and legit. His numbers
Speaker 1: mean nothing. The way that people judge Dak, they judge
Speaker 1: him in quarters of the season at the time over
Speaker 1: the last eight games on that first two, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever it is against teams with five hundred teams with
Speaker 1: this his record, what's gonna stand for Dak is having
Speaker 1: that productive season as a quarterback, you know, not throwing
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of interceptions. Maybe he's gotten close to
Speaker 1: the five thousand at once back in the day, but
Speaker 1: his health his paramount, and talking about the offensive line
Speaker 1: health and who they're gonna have at that swing tackle
Speaker 1: and all up front is going to be important as well,
Speaker 1: because you have to keep him standing up in this
Speaker 1: offense that's demanding him to throw a lot of balls.
Speaker 1: So this is his season, that seven in his seventh season,
Speaker 1: this is as hot as it gets underneath him. I
Speaker 1: agree he's the kid of the season because he plays quarterback,
Speaker 1: and you saw with Joe Burrow, who has some nice
Speaker 1: pieces players around him. But you know, if your quarterback
Speaker 1: is balling out and having like a generational special season,
Speaker 1: that can change the whole dynamic of your offense, your team.
Speaker 1: You can mask some things that are weaknesses on your team.
Speaker 1: And they're in a situation now where they're in transition
Speaker 1: with their receivers and the best quarterbacks in the league
Speaker 1: Isai has played with some can elevate guys to become
Speaker 1: better players just by playing with a great quarterback. And
Speaker 1: that's that's you know, without Amari that's I think CD
Speaker 1: has already got a Pro Bowl right, he can be
Speaker 1: a great player, but there are some questions beyond CD,
Speaker 1: and obviously CD stepping into a new role. So there's that.
Speaker 1: I think him coming back healthy this offseason. It's really
Speaker 1: two offseasons now where now he's back to a normal
Speaker 1: one because the whole team didn't even have offseason workouts
Speaker 1: two years ago. Last year, it's the stuff that we
Speaker 1: don't always see. It's it's them working out on their
Speaker 1: own together and building a rapport away from the team
Speaker 1: that he didn't get to really do last year because
Speaker 1: he's focusing on his leg. And last year, at least
Speaker 1: you had kind of your exact receiving core intact. This year,
Speaker 1: you don't. This year. You've got a rookie third round
Speaker 1: pick who's got a lot of talent, but they may
Speaker 1: ask him to be starter week one. James Washington is
Speaker 1: new CDs in a new position. He's playing flanker now,
Speaker 1: like you need Dak on the field, working through all
Speaker 1: that stuff, and so it's huge that he's healthy. He
Speaker 1: brought up a great point because yeah, it's been two
Speaker 1: off seasons since Dak has really been back in this role.
Speaker 1: But even Mike McCarthy's talked about it. It's been three
Speaker 1: seasons now since you've really had a normal off season,
Speaker 1: and Dak can step into that leadership role in person,
Speaker 1: in front of these guys, have these conversations, the intent
Speaker 1: that he has as the starting quarterback to be a
Speaker 1: guy who elevates the games of others. And you look
Speaker 1: up and down and Hecka mentioned at a moment ago
Speaker 1: I was curious to see some of the quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys play on their roster or on their schedule
Speaker 1: rather throughout the season. Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford,
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, and a lot of those are at the
Speaker 1: early part of the season. With those, especially with Brady,
Speaker 1: Stafford and Burrow, all within the first five weeks of
Speaker 1: the regular season, you're going to figure out just what
Speaker 1: kind of moxie Dak Prescott has in year number seven,
Speaker 1: just what kind of step he's going to take, And
Speaker 1: you're gonna find out early on in the year. But
Speaker 1: when you look at the rest of these quarterbacks, Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan Kirk Cousins, Ryan Tannehill, Carson Wins, Trevor Lawrence, Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 1: Jared Goff, justin Fields, Daniel Jones, and Davis Mills. There's
Speaker 1: no reason, no reason Dak Prescott shouldn't be better than
Speaker 1: every single one of those last names I just mentioned.
Speaker 1: He should be the best quarterback on the field in
Speaker 1: those games, which in that case provides you with a
Speaker 1: great chance to win. Facts. And you know, and I
Speaker 1: know he's spoken a lot on this show in particular,
Speaker 1: you know about Heck's Dak. You know Hex Dack. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call him. I likes be careful with saying that's uh.
Speaker 1: But in terms of the respect that he has or
Speaker 1: like thereof that Dak has around the league, and I
Speaker 1: and I think that what you're seeing over these past
Speaker 1: two seasons, they're putting him up against Tom Brady's the
Speaker 1: last two years, first games, first game. So I don't
Speaker 1: think that anybody is looking at dec as lesser than
Speaker 1: I think. They're putting him up against the greatest that
Speaker 1: there ever has been to see what he is. And
Speaker 1: I think there's no quikadink that all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys just have Tampa Bay Buccaneers is not
Speaker 1: divisional WHOA, this is out of out of division, facing
Speaker 1: these guys, the first game of the season to kick
Speaker 1: the year off. No, no, no, quikadink there, Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: right afterwards. Yeah yeah, So, I mean to your point,
Speaker 1: Dak has respect around the league. He just has to
Speaker 1: back it up. Man. Yeah, he's got that national respect.
Speaker 1: But now it's time to take that step forward. It's
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Speaker 1: a great night at the ballpark, all right. I'm teased
Speaker 1: to going into the break as always. Who takes the
Speaker 1: year to jump here for the Dallas Cowboys. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of names on that list. Micah Parsons, of course,
Speaker 1: he had a great rookie year. What kind of step
Speaker 1: can he take in year two? Kelvin Joseph can he
Speaker 1: be a starter? Chauncey Golstons, Diggi Zua, Nay, Shaun Wright,
Speaker 1: all third rounders a year ago, all need to take
Speaker 1: that next step. Golston, in his first healthy off season,
Speaker 1: has put on twenty eight pounds. Is what he told me.
Speaker 1: They were gonna use him inside, They're gonna use him outside.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a three technique, five technique. He'll be
Speaker 1: an edge rusher all over that defensive line. Chauncey Golston
Speaker 1: looking at a new role and then also thinky ZOA.
Speaker 1: A lot of people think he could be the guy
Speaker 1: to take that next step and be an impact player.
Speaker 1: Heckmon when you look at the guy's entering year two,
Speaker 1: who's the most likely to take that jump for you?
Speaker 1: You know, I love what you said about about Gholston
Speaker 1: and I love the way they're using him in his
Speaker 1: flexibility right now upfront. I mean, as a as A
Speaker 1: said in your Player, I think he can be one
Speaker 1: of those diversified pieces on your defensive line. And I
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people are even looking for
Speaker 1: him talking about because of his length. He's I think
Speaker 1: he gonna be a really disruptive for us. So I
Speaker 1: saw a little bit of him last year and OTAs
Speaker 1: him and Armstrong doing the you know, twisting stunts with
Speaker 1: each other. They don't keep him all the way inside.
Speaker 1: They bring him back outside for stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: that's the way that our defense has really been put together.
Speaker 1: So him, Joseph, also dig Zuo, all of these guys,
Speaker 1: they have to make the jumper. Come on, now, what
Speaker 1: what's understood don't have to be stated. It's gotta be
Speaker 1: Micah Puder. The thing is is that as an organization,
Speaker 1: you I mean, like this or just drop it in
Speaker 1: their turn? How you got to do it. But it's
Speaker 1: it's got to be one of those situations with micah
Speaker 1: Um where eighty four tackles last season, thirteen sacks. The
Speaker 1: guy had a monster rookie season. Um the this this
Speaker 1: franchise needs him to be bigger and better than what
Speaker 1: he was last year. Now, I hope no one forgets
Speaker 1: that he's a better edge rusher, that he is a linebacker.
Speaker 1: We got twenty nine minutes. He's a better edge rusher,
Speaker 1: and I hope they don't forget that with it's time
Speaker 1: to start talking about the contract, because that's where he
Speaker 1: is so disruptive. But I love the way that dan
Speaker 1: Quinn uses him blitzing from the middle of the defense
Speaker 1: even when he is in the linebacker position. Pee, you
Speaker 1: brought me around to him in coverage and his coverage ability.
Speaker 1: Going back over the season, you see a lot of
Speaker 1: his ability to track in space, and that's just I mean,
Speaker 1: the guy is so talented. Sometimes this is like, all right,
Speaker 1: how do we exactly use him? And I think this
Speaker 1: year you're able to hone in. But he's the one
Speaker 1: guy out of all those guys that you absolutely need
Speaker 1: to make the biggest jump. What do you think? Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I love it. I didn't know if we could we
Speaker 1: could use Mike as an example, because he had one
Speaker 1: of the best rookie seasons we have ever seen in
Speaker 1: the National Football League already. But I think he's right,
Speaker 1: like there's another level for him. And I'm reminded of
Speaker 1: like the hard knock segments when he's working with DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Ware during training camp last year and then he's thrown
Speaker 1: into that part of his job and did it so well.
Speaker 1: Like if he can refine that, like that part of
Speaker 1: his game, the pass rushing stuff, like how good can
Speaker 1: he be? Because I think a lot of it he's
Speaker 1: not just doing it on He's not freelancing out there,
Speaker 1: but that's not something he's he worked exclusively or necessarily
Speaker 1: diligently at last year. He's, like he said, he's trying
Speaker 1: to do a lot of different things. His first game
Speaker 1: at Tampa Bay, he's covering four net and gronk out
Speaker 1: of the backfield or you know, and covering tight ends
Speaker 1: and backs. So that to me could be the next
Speaker 1: step for him. For another guy, I would say, Osa,
Speaker 1: I think they're very excited about him. Um. I ran
Speaker 1: into him in the lunch room a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I almost didn't recognize he's put
Speaker 1: on weight strength. You can see the difference. And they
Speaker 1: were really impressed with what he did in year one
Speaker 1: and think he can be a long time starter for them.
Speaker 1: I got two names. Why don't e side of the
Speaker 1: ball that's good Neville Gallimore. Okay, technically year three, but
Speaker 1: I'll give it him to be a dog. He missed
Speaker 1: it to you. I I need him to be a dog.
Speaker 1: I think he's in that same category as Oosa for sure. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't mean my other name is not a
Speaker 1: rookie either. I mean, I gotta go with this is
Speaker 1: most important. This is that we just I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: saying anybody, but you just kind of pass. I'm blowing
Speaker 1: right through that. I mean, just to what you gotta Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean second year, jump third, seventeen years, listen here,
Speaker 1: I don't listen. Just Gallimore needs to be a dog. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: and I'm jumping to CD. I don't care what year
Speaker 1: it is for him. CD needs to be a dog
Speaker 1: because this is really his first year as a number one. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's been playing underneath it. Yeah, he's been productive in
Speaker 1: all those jazz but he still has a lot of
Speaker 1: things that he needs to clean up in order to
Speaker 1: be respected and regarded as a number one in this league.
Speaker 1: Not to say that he's not a very productive, really
Speaker 1: good receiver, but everybody knows the laite that he needs
Speaker 1: to take. But come on, give it to us, how
Speaker 1: you know, Like when these cameras is off and these
Speaker 1: mix is off, you give us something different. Now, come down.
Speaker 1: I'm saying how I say it. CD needs to be
Speaker 1: a dolt CD, And I said that last week. CD
Speaker 1: is not card it around the league as a number
Speaker 1: one receiver. It's not to say that he can't be
Speaker 1: a number one receiver. And I know the question they
Speaker 1: follow up question is gonna be like, well, what doesn't
Speaker 1: what does he need to do in order to be that?
Speaker 1: He needs to be feared by every team that faces him.
Speaker 1: I don't feel as if teams feel the need to
Speaker 1: double team him all the time. Yet I see what
Speaker 1: heck him is trying to pull out. I know he's
Speaker 1: trying to do and I'm gonna I'm gonna ask the
Speaker 1: same question, do you think he can do that? Do
Speaker 1: you specifically, Isaiah stand back on this table here May thirty,
Speaker 1: first of twenty twenty two. Do you believe Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: can do that. You want he be that number one?
Speaker 1: He wants commercial break, Isaiah, I believe the children of
Speaker 1: stop stalling. Answer question, Yes, I do. I do believe
Speaker 1: though I believe he can. Will he is a question,
Speaker 1: and I think that's a question that nobody has an
Speaker 1: answered for a set for a CD. Is he fully capable?
Speaker 1: That dude has the physical attributes, he has the side,
Speaker 1: he has everything right, he has all the skill sets,
Speaker 1: he has a quarterback, he has everything that the officer,
Speaker 1: a coordinator. Everything is in place for him to be
Speaker 1: a complete dog in his league. I just want to
Speaker 1: see him do it. When I spoke last time about
Speaker 1: his willingness or whether or not he's really take that leap,
Speaker 1: it was in regards to how he handled himself and
Speaker 1: how his mannerisms as a leader, from what we've seen
Speaker 1: to date, doesn't portray what you consider to be a leader.
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown is an absolute dog, one of the most
Speaker 1: feared people in his league when he's playing right. But
Speaker 1: he's nobody's gonna say he's a leader. Okay, So when
Speaker 1: you start seeing some of these things where he's throwing
Speaker 1: his hands up and he's frustrated, and he's walking off
Speaker 1: the field, and he's sitting on the end of the
Speaker 1: bench and all these things. He can't do that when
Speaker 1: you're number one. Those are the things that I'm talking
Speaker 1: about in terms of that leap. I don't know the
Speaker 1: man personally. I can't speak to him. I can just
Speaker 1: only speak to what I've seen. He has to make
Speaker 1: those adjustments going forward. He's now gonna have to take
Speaker 1: the responsibility of not only I have to perform, but
Speaker 1: also now I have to hold everybody else to a
Speaker 1: higher standard of performance as well, because it's not going
Speaker 1: to be allowed for us just to be simply mediocre. Ye,
Speaker 1: there's a lot that comes with being a leader now.
Speaker 1: And the thing is that just being around you, I
Speaker 1: know that you don't judge wide receivers on the curve
Speaker 1: either you are aren't, And that's just kind of black
Speaker 1: and white in that regard. And I think for Ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 1: I agree with you, he has the potential, he has
Speaker 1: the capacity to be that. When you look around the league,
Speaker 1: when you started talking about the top guys, it's justin Jefferson,
Speaker 1: it's Jamar Chase's Cup, it's Digs, it's guys like that,
Speaker 1: But Ceedee Lamb fits right at You don't get far
Speaker 1: after Adams and guys like that before you have to
Speaker 1: insert Ceedee Lamb. His first year in the league. I
Speaker 1: think if him and Dak were able to play that
Speaker 1: full year together, I think we wouldn't even be having
Speaker 1: this conversation. He finished with nine thirty five I believe
Speaker 1: in his first season, which is close right eleven hundred
Speaker 1: last year in a full season with that well miss
Speaker 1: one game, but still still the second most yards by
Speaker 1: a receiver in the first two years of a season,
Speaker 1: only buying Bob Hayes'. And that's that's different games. That's
Speaker 1: the guy they called bullet Bob. Yes, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: let you so. I mean the numbers, the production, even
Speaker 1: with I believe his catches, I mean he has catches
Speaker 1: than any of the receiver up into this point. So
Speaker 1: he's doing a lot of things for the organization that's
Speaker 1: been here for a long time. But you're right, when
Speaker 1: you start looking at the cream of the crop, that's
Speaker 1: the same thing that we're talking about with Dak. All Right,
Speaker 1: everybody kind of revers him. That's kind of neat underneath,
Speaker 1: he has the same thing going on here. He cd
Speaker 1: is gonna go up against some guys that that luck
Speaker 1: man from a defensive backstandpoint, even his contemporaries across from him,
Speaker 1: he has an opportunity to set himself apart from them,
Speaker 1: and I just want to see him do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you get you forget how young he is, because
Speaker 1: he's twenty three. And the first when I walked up
Speaker 1: for his interview, the first thing he was talking about
Speaker 1: was last Wednesday, was he put on ten pounds of
Speaker 1: masks lean muscle, and he said he grew half an inch.
Speaker 1: Which it's like that's he's still growing, you know, like
Speaker 1: that's that's high school stuff, you know, that's that's He's
Speaker 1: a young guy who's got room to grow. And there
Speaker 1: are technical parts of his game. He's gonna be playing
Speaker 1: a new position. Drops were a thing, have been a
Speaker 1: thing for two years. And I asked him specifically, A said,
Speaker 1: I asked him about leadership, and he talked about that.
Speaker 1: The importance of that, and I think some of it too,
Speaker 1: is he's with a new position with new responsibility. He's
Speaker 1: not gonna be sneaking up on anybody. There's gonna be
Speaker 1: more coverage rolled to him, probably Um, he's because he's
Speaker 1: the focal point. And so how do you handle that?
Speaker 1: How do you how do you adjust to that, prevent frustration?
Speaker 1: How do you lift other guys up? Be the guy
Speaker 1: in the room, because I think what happens in the
Speaker 1: room is something fans don't see either who who's and
Speaker 1: that's something guys talked about Amari was. Amari wasn't an
Speaker 1: outspoken guy, but Amari was a guy who would pull
Speaker 1: you aside and talk to guys and give guys, give
Speaker 1: guys help. And so at twenty three years old, he's there.
Speaker 1: He and MG are gonna be asked to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a lot to bear and and that's when we
Speaker 1: start talking about his development, particularly in regards to CD.
Speaker 1: I think the majority of his development has to come
Speaker 1: into format between his ears. That's where his development has
Speaker 1: to come. And that's in term of his understanding of
Speaker 1: a game. That's his understanding and his role in this
Speaker 1: particular offense, his role as a leader, right, the battles
Speaker 1: that he has within emotionally, his emotional maturity, all those
Speaker 1: things that I've spoken about other players in the past.
Speaker 1: That's where his development has to come. It's not the
Speaker 1: physical the drops, that's reps. Go, get on the juggs machine,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, get rid of that. Okay, getting in
Speaker 1: continuity with your quarterback, all that jazz, that stuff, easy boom.
Speaker 1: We know his physical attributes will be there. It's the
Speaker 1: mental aspect that he has to make the biggest leap.
Speaker 1: And it's a lot to bear. I'm not saying it's easy.
Speaker 1: It's a lot to freaking bear when somebody that you've
Speaker 1: been you've been underneath a Maria Cooper for your first
Speaker 1: few years, and all of a sudden, he's gone, and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh crap, it's on me. But let me
Speaker 1: ask you this. I think for most of these young guys,
Speaker 1: it's you were talking about the soft tissue issues the
Speaker 1: guys are having on the field because they've been preparing
Speaker 1: a certain way. I think it's the approach to the
Speaker 1: pro game for these young guys when they come in
Speaker 1: from rookies, that change that you have. Now your time
Speaker 1: is your own, so are you spending its studying or
Speaker 1: you know, so approach to the game I think is
Speaker 1: what basically that you're talking about. But I don't think
Speaker 1: that CD views himself as a guy that was living
Speaker 1: underneath the Mark Cooper. I think he came through the
Speaker 1: door with the expectation were in two aids that Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm a man around here. I just gotta show y'all
Speaker 1: that what I am. And so he has the look.
Speaker 1: He has a ton of ability. I believe that Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore right now, his offense, the passing game, part of
Speaker 1: his offense, he can expand so much more on because
Speaker 1: you don't ideally have that one guy that offenses well,
Speaker 1: defense can say we're gonna definitely take him away. Well,
Speaker 1: you don't have that piece anymore. You don't have the
Speaker 1: guys that you know. So you can move Cede Lamb
Speaker 1: around a lot more. He doesn't have to be the
Speaker 1: guy on the outside. He can move all the way through.
Speaker 1: But you're gonna have to have some healthy pieces. That's
Speaker 1: where the wide receiver room. You gotta get more guys
Speaker 1: in and around him, you know. So look, I just
Speaker 1: believe he can do it. I think his approach to
Speaker 1: the game is gonna be there. But God, why didn't
Speaker 1: you let me grow half it? Some guys get all
Speaker 1: the break. Do you guys feel that he's a mandatory
Speaker 1: double team status? Shit? Uh No, But I don't think
Speaker 1: he's far off. Like, I don't think teams like you said,
Speaker 1: are gonna say, oh man, we got a double team him.
Speaker 1: Let's let's go single coverage everybody else he's double teamed
Speaker 1: on this backside. I don't think he's there yet. But
Speaker 1: if he comes out and he plays really well the
Speaker 1: first two or three weeks of the season, it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be a quick quick trigger. It will be a
Speaker 1: quick trigger for teams to put him in that category.
Speaker 1: He showed flashes that he can be that. Like the
Speaker 1: New England game, you're like, yeah, okay, this this is special.
Speaker 1: Like so, it's the consistency, and it's also being, like
Speaker 1: you said, being the guy. He I know it's just
Speaker 1: an interview, but he sure sounded like a guy who's
Speaker 1: super excited, like I've been ready, I'm motivated to do this.
Speaker 1: Dak's gonna stay on him, I think, because that's maybe day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where Dax's leadership comes in. He's like, your locker's
Speaker 1: next to mine. We're I mean, this is this is
Speaker 1: gonna be the one two punch ship going forward. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: So we'll see, uh, we'll see where it goes. But
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean this is that's a huge key
Speaker 1: and CDs a year. I'm excited for him, man, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: It's a great opportunity. You know that everybody else around
Speaker 1: him put a lot of pressure on him. I don't
Speaker 1: know him again to know what his mental state was
Speaker 1: when he first, you know, was brought on to his organization.
Speaker 1: But obviously everybody else through that pressure on him by
Speaker 1: giving him an eighty eight automatic, yep, automatic, everybody else
Speaker 1: through the weight of the world out him. Cool. The
Speaker 1: boy had his jam sport on him, right, So, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you know, he puts out
Speaker 1: a good first season. Boom, that's even more backage. Okay,
Speaker 1: coming into year or two. All right, now he's bought
Speaker 1: out again. Boom. Now all of a sudden, maor he's gone.
Speaker 1: That boy's backpack's heavy, right, his backpack's heavy. That's why
Speaker 1: he put the sponsors. Come on, man, that's why he
Speaker 1: put the extra ten pounds of got He got to
Speaker 1: stand up. He got to carry that weight. And now
Speaker 1: it's time to show up and say can you carry
Speaker 1: that weight? And are you willing to carry the weight.
Speaker 1: But because I know you watch a lot of the
Speaker 1: NFL anyway, like when you go to like the Rams, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have a Cooper cup that everybody mean, MoMA know
Speaker 1: he's gonna get the ball. But you gotta have a
Speaker 1: two that can be qualified as well to carry that.
Speaker 1: And I think that's been the difference in the one
Speaker 1: A one aspect of the wide receiver group here at
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. So if CD can be that, then
Speaker 1: everybody else can eat. Tober can eat, Gallup can eat.
Speaker 1: All the other guys can eat behind that. That's that's
Speaker 1: a very valid point that you brought up. The number two, Gallup, Washington,
Speaker 1: whoever it is starting out Katober has to be dang
Speaker 1: neared as as productive as as a number one in
Speaker 1: this offense. Reason being when the defense has decide to
Speaker 1: roll coverage, when they decide to start changing up what
Speaker 1: they want to do, your number two has to be
Speaker 1: able to act as a as a one. Now he
Speaker 1: has to be a He has to be capable, right,
Speaker 1: not just willing. He has to be capable of exploiting
Speaker 1: the defense as a one B would. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what the Dallas Cowboys had with an Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: and CD Lamb. Or you want to roll the coop.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. We got CD over here. Now
Speaker 1: you're in a position now or you want to roll
Speaker 1: to CD. What do we have? We got to wait
Speaker 1: and see. Yeah, because that's this is a great point
Speaker 1: because the number two receiver led the team in receiving
Speaker 1: last year, and that's that is. It goes back to
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's time here. It's we're gonna take what the
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Speaker 1: the regular season, all right, when we come back. There's
Speaker 1: been some buzz around the NFL lately Roger Goodell talked
Speaker 1: about maybe getting rid of the Pro Bowl, or at
Speaker 1: least changing the format. We're going to brainstorm some ideas
Speaker 1: on how we could change the Pro Bowl and make
Speaker 1: it more fun and viewership heavy when we come back
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Speaker 1: It's not a merse. It might be uh NFL looking
Speaker 1: to change the Pro Bowl potentially. Roger Goodell spoke on
Speaker 1: it this past week and it's got a lot of
Speaker 1: people brainstorming some ideas. I thought we could have a
Speaker 1: part of this to end out our show in the
Speaker 1: final month or final show for the month of May,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to get creative with it. So let's
Speaker 1: say the game is next. Let's say they go away
Speaker 1: from this game, which, by the way, Isaiah, do you
Speaker 1: do you want the game to go away? Do you
Speaker 1: want to see it continue on? Like? What's your opinion
Speaker 1: on that? Before we get into the creativity. I think
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl selection needs to continue because it's such
Speaker 1: a highly acclaimed thing in the league. Like that's something
Speaker 1: you are going after, right, you're bawling out for your team,
Speaker 1: but you also that's the self accolade portion of it.
Speaker 1: And guys get paid off of Pro Bowl based upon
Speaker 1: your Pro Bowl selection, Hall of Fame credentials one day too. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: so I think that aspect needs to continue. I do
Speaker 1: think we are in a different age of athlete in
Speaker 1: terms of back in the day, guys played for pride,
Speaker 1: guys played for bragging rides like and it was no
Speaker 1: matter what. Pickup basketball was the thing. I can't tell
Speaker 1: you the last time I've seen anybody even playing pick
Speaker 1: up basketball. I haven't seen the kids on the street
Speaker 1: no more so. The game is different, right, the generation
Speaker 1: is different. Now it's based upon my salaries and how
Speaker 1: much money can I make. That's not to say that
Speaker 1: guys aren't competing. It's just to say that their motives
Speaker 1: are a little bit different than what they used to be.
Speaker 1: When you know, you you calling me a punk or
Speaker 1: something like that back in the day would get me up. Hey,
Speaker 1: forget that. We are just go head up one on one.
Speaker 1: Now it's like oh you point, like okay, whatever, or
Speaker 1: now it's like if I'll pay you, okay, now, let's
Speaker 1: talk about it. Now, let's talk about So money is
Speaker 1: a motivator now and the league has has transitioned to that.
Speaker 1: I just think that these guys that are playing now
Speaker 1: aren't motivated by just pure competition anymore. So from that standpoint,
Speaker 1: I think the game needs to start doing them away.
Speaker 1: I would be more up to see guys compete in
Speaker 1: regards to just skills challenges, and they have some of that,
Speaker 1: But if it puts guys at risk, it at getting injured,
Speaker 1: They're not gonna do it. Because the motivator is money.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put myself in a position to lose money.
Speaker 1: But I know when it changed. It changed back in
Speaker 1: the day. I don't remember the year. I was watching
Speaker 1: the Skills Challenge back when Larry Allen those guys should
Speaker 1: do bench prance and all that jazz. Tony Gonzalez was
Speaker 1: doing like a little um, a little catching, catching, a
Speaker 1: little circuit. They're trying to see how many balls they
Speaker 1: can catch right in a certain amount of time. And
Speaker 1: he quit in the middle of it. And I remember
Speaker 1: watching this. He quit in the middle of it because
Speaker 1: his fingers started getting jammed up, and he's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this no more. He just walked off,
Speaker 1: and I remember looking at Tony and I lost so
Speaker 1: much respect for him. For Tony g I don't give
Speaker 1: him Hall of Famer. I lost so much respect. I'm
Speaker 1: here in that moment because I'm a competitor. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you don't stop, you don't stop. But at that moment,
Speaker 1: I was like, it's gonna change forever, because now guys
Speaker 1: are gonna be thinking about, oh, I can get injured
Speaker 1: all the sudden. And I remember that, I distinctively. I
Speaker 1: remember that, and now that's what guys are concerned about.
Speaker 1: When we watched the forty yard Dash, you year, where
Speaker 1: guys running full speed Tyreek no no, Michael was Michael
Speaker 1: was haul until he's a competitor, right, he cares about
Speaker 1: that projec. But other guys were like, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to hurt my hammy. Right. So if you took the
Speaker 1: defensive guys and had them hit hit up moving those
Speaker 1: moving bags that they have remote controls now and measure
Speaker 1: how much power, I think guys would do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think guys would do that. How HARKing guys here?
Speaker 1: Who has the sweetest back pedal? You know, things like that.
Speaker 1: I think there's a way to get creative with the
Speaker 1: skills side. But in terms of the game, the game
Speaker 1: is gone, y'all. You're talking about that. The science of football, yeah,
Speaker 1: get the GPS on. I like that. Yeah, the physical
Speaker 1: weight of force or whatever's happening. Yeah, yeah, all of
Speaker 1: that to me sucks. And I hate to sound like that.
Speaker 1: It does. I'm sorry, I just I hate to sound
Speaker 1: like that. Back in the day, I tell you, I'm
Speaker 1: on the back in the day train, you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm used to seeing guys go to Hawaii and
Speaker 1: play their guts out, and like you said, for pride,
Speaker 1: and and you know, man, I get in this generational
Speaker 1: argument with my fifteen year old time, and it just
Speaker 1: you know what it does, It drains the life out
Speaker 1: of you because they have they have nearsightedness. They can
Speaker 1: only see so far. So I'm like, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: guys used to absolutely love to play in this game,
Speaker 1: and now it's not what it used to be. And
Speaker 1: I think from maybe it's just the athletes, all the
Speaker 1: information that they're getting on the financial aspect of it,
Speaker 1: they just feel like, hey, man, I want to make
Speaker 1: sure that I play for the next however long. And
Speaker 1: those are certain things that as competitors you don't respect.
Speaker 1: As you just pointed out. I mean, I just feel
Speaker 1: as though the hall of that game, the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: is so important to football, to the psyche of players
Speaker 1: that play the game. You talk about the voting to
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame and all of that to be respected
Speaker 1: amongst your peers. Now, I think the voting had the
Speaker 1: voting change, it changed from the writers to the fans elect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's well, it's it's like a thirty each like it's
Speaker 1: I think it's players, coaches and fans. Players coaches and fans, right,
Speaker 1: and so they brought that aspect into it, and I
Speaker 1: think that changed a lot of it also for the
Speaker 1: players because they're like, wait a minute, you're voting for
Speaker 1: it turned into a popularity contest and not got that
Speaker 1: are actually out there ball. So you know. But I
Speaker 1: love the game. So anytime you could get some more football, yes,
Speaker 1: give it to me. I have no problem with no game.
Speaker 1: I have to I write this a story off the
Speaker 1: game every year and I'm just like, oh man, they're
Speaker 1: not even tackling each other, which which by the way,
Speaker 1: I have no problem with. I tweeted about this during
Speaker 1: the game this year. I said, Twitter seems big mad
Speaker 1: about no tackling in the Pro Bowl. Player's day job
Speaker 1: has a one hundred percent injury rate. I always say
Speaker 1: dead Lea's catch guys and let guys enjoy this without
Speaker 1: any real risk of getting hurt. There's a seventeenth game
Speaker 1: now too that these guys say, long season, and I
Speaker 1: have no problem because I can't do their job. I
Speaker 1: got no problem with guys not wanted to get hurt. Ye,
Speaker 1: and you know I got There were some big responses. Then,
Speaker 1: don't charge money to view this game of duck duck goose,
Speaker 1: That was the first reply I got. But I got
Speaker 1: no problem. I think a skills challenge where maybe you
Speaker 1: put some incentive on the line, you know, like that,
Speaker 1: or why do I keep saying dak Micah Parsons running
Speaker 1: the forty against Tyreek Hill, it's fun like that. That's
Speaker 1: something where nobody's probably gonna get hurt, but you can
Speaker 1: showcase the stars and guys still get a vacation and
Speaker 1: they still get the recognition. Like, to me, that's easy
Speaker 1: if you if you made it, if you took just
Speaker 1: some of the combined drills, yeah, and put them out there,
Speaker 1: guys would do it. Bench press they still do. They
Speaker 1: still do all that stuff. Guys would do a bench prayers,
Speaker 1: vertical John Brod all that. Guys would do that be fun,
Speaker 1: that's competitive, that's competitive. Watch safe in a safe environment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: guys would do it. I would, and I would watch it,
Speaker 1: and I think the whole world will watch it because
Speaker 1: everybody and their mom would stay tuned and watches the
Speaker 1: combine without blinking. Right. They just said, I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna watch people compete if it's on TV. Competition, real
Speaker 1: competition though. But that's that's the reason why I can't
Speaker 1: watch basketball nowadays. It's hard for me to watch basketball
Speaker 1: because these tiki tech fouls. And if you ask if
Speaker 1: the NBA players nowadays and go back to the rules
Speaker 1: and from the eighties and nineties, they say, heck to
Speaker 1: the naw, yep, we gotta review that. We got Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's an elbow that. Oh God, take five minutes? Is
Speaker 1: it flagrant? Yeah? Okay. So I've got two ideas then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pitch to you guys about fixing the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: The first one kind of merges what Heckman's talking about
Speaker 1: and what Rob's talking about. Keep the game, keep the
Speaker 1: football side of it, but make it more entertaining and
Speaker 1: less dangerous. It's been a joke previously, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I think this should be the case. I want it
Speaker 1: to be seven on seven flag football. Get the skills
Speaker 1: guys out there, quarterbacks, running backs, seven on seven. Run
Speaker 1: it just like you would a seven on seven tournament.
Speaker 1: Like all these guys at this point have played at
Speaker 1: some point throughout their career. Go seven on seven. Oh
Speaker 1: what do you do about the offensive linemen. They're the
Speaker 1: coaching staff. They're the ones that put everything together. They
Speaker 1: have you have responsibilities, divide it up, and your your
Speaker 1: offensive linemen are coaching the skills guys and then keep
Speaker 1: it as an incentive all the way through. I love it.
Speaker 1: I think that would be so fun to watch you
Speaker 1: mic up all the offensive lineman, so you have them
Speaker 1: jarring at skills guys, getting into their face and things
Speaker 1: like that all the way through. I think it would
Speaker 1: be really fun to watch. You like it. I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean the tackling out of it. This year's game
Speaker 1: was there were elements of two hand touch this year.
Speaker 1: That just was and they I mean, they call it
Speaker 1: a tackle game, but that's what it was. And again
Speaker 1: I got no problem with that, but that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of what it morphed into anyway. Yeah, so gives them FaceTime,
Speaker 1: gives the offensive lineman a chance to get some TV.
Speaker 1: Michael was trying to hit so much shine. What about
Speaker 1: there gonna do about your defensive lineman? You're there too?
Speaker 1: Oh no, they're they're there. They're there too. You'll well,
Speaker 1: edge rushers will be a part of that. It's seven
Speaker 1: on seven. You can put them out there play around
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, what do you think? I like it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah, NOA for sure. I think it's
Speaker 1: a great idea. And then I've got a skills competition
Speaker 1: one too that I've been thinking about too. While I
Speaker 1: was trying to brainstorm how to fix the game, I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this would be fun. I want to
Speaker 1: what's one of the more exciting parts of just sports
Speaker 1: in general. How about penalty kicks in soccer where you've
Speaker 1: got easily made kick right at the beginning, and you've
Speaker 1: got a goalie trying to stop it. The goalie rarely
Speaker 1: gets it, but when he does, it's a highlight reel.
Speaker 1: It's a World Cup here too, exactly World Cup here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think you put a forty five yard kick, You
Speaker 1: put a kicker out there forty five yards, you gotta
Speaker 1: get it in. It's not an easy kick, but it's
Speaker 1: one that NFL kickers should nail nine times out of
Speaker 1: ten forty five yarders. And then I want standing at
Speaker 1: the goal line the quarterback of the opposing team, and
Speaker 1: I want him to try and skeet, shoot it out
Speaker 1: of the air, snipe it with the football. Have the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks try and target practice to try and keep it
Speaker 1: from going in the goalpost. Is the worst idea? Why
Speaker 1: is that bad? I swear to God it's penaltie kicks.
Speaker 1: It's back and forth. You have the three light if
Speaker 1: it goes in the X, and then the winner of it,
Speaker 1: like a goalie backyard, he goes keep shooting the ball whatever. Dynasty. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's more. It's more of a a way to do
Speaker 1: penalty kicks for a football. Bubble wrap the whole game
Speaker 1: and just take us. This is only a part of
Speaker 1: the skills competition. This isn't before the actual get mom
Speaker 1: and throw it over day year. Man. If I could
Speaker 1: just go back, if I could just go you know what,
Speaker 1: you're not a soccer guy, though, No I'm not. I'm not,
Speaker 1: and you know that. You know I'm not. And the
Speaker 1: deal is too. It's just I just feel I just
Speaker 1: feel the game getting softer and softer, and I just
Speaker 1: as you the more you talk, I just started wrapping
Speaker 1: myself in bubble wrap. I mean, like, how safe can
Speaker 1: this thing get? But it's what no, I get it.
Speaker 1: When Roger Goodell comes out and says we gotta do something,
Speaker 1: then you know, like Sean Taylor changed the Proboble, it
Speaker 1: won't happen. It won't happen. I understand. And like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm on the back end of the day train. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get off now and we're gonna go skeet shoot football.
Speaker 1: Let's do it too. I want you, I want you
Speaker 1: snip football. I like it, Kyle. I don't know about
Speaker 1: the steet part. That's kind you don't like trying to
Speaker 1: like block it. I'm gonna stick with the performance side
Speaker 1: of love. Russell down down on the goal line trying
Speaker 1: to throw it out with Jonathan Garabay after he gets
Speaker 1: his throw ball. Oh wow, I want I want it.
Speaker 1: I want Russell Wilson trying to snipe it out of
Speaker 1: the air. I would watch the skills. Take the punters
Speaker 1: who can kick it the furthest who can kick it
Speaker 1: the highest. If you take field goal kickers who can
Speaker 1: have the longest field goals, agree the movable field goal
Speaker 1: like an arena shortened the posts most start you started
Speaker 1: talking about the defensive ends. Right, defensive end is going
Speaker 1: to go run to hoops. Who has the fastest time
Speaker 1: defensive linement and officeive linement. Who has the most most
Speaker 1: forced output in terms of punching? Bring back, bring back dodgeball?
Speaker 1: I had dodgeball. That was That was heck, that was fun.
Speaker 1: That was fun to watch. Line versus deal. Yes, Yes,
Speaker 1: what the hell are we doing it? But what are
Speaker 1: we doing? I like, it's a skills competition. You you
Speaker 1: line up one team, one team, and then it's like
Speaker 1: a relay all the way through you do you're each
Speaker 1: of your love all the way. I just from the
Speaker 1: science stamp. I would love to see you guys. Who's
Speaker 1: stronger officer a lineman in terms of force output? Offers
Speaker 1: A freaking Aaron Donald or you got freaking you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know Zach Martin, Martin, you know who can
Speaker 1: put out the most force when they punch somebody? I
Speaker 1: want to see those numbers. No, no, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the bags, the bag drills. When you when you punch
Speaker 1: the bags, how much force output you It's kind of
Speaker 1: like a little punching bag. Everybody wants to watch those
Speaker 1: numbers go out. Where's gonna stop? Where's he gonna stop? Oh?
Speaker 1: I got Mike Tyson punch out going boys. Shoot. I
Speaker 1: wonder if Larry Allen still works out like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could do like a bat La challenge. You know,
Speaker 1: he's he's older than we can take it. You can
Speaker 1: take his beat his top stat Yeah, Yeah, there's lots
Speaker 1: of things you could do. He can make it fun,
Speaker 1: call me, call him, called Kyle to myself, NFL. We'll work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll make it. We'll make it happen. And we've got
Speaker 1: the ideas we're brainstorming in here. Heck, but doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: like it, but we're doing it anyways. Sorry, heck skeet shooting.
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