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Speaker 2: What is up?

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Speaker 1: Metstup listeners back here for episode number fifty two of

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Speaker 1: the met stub podcast. If you're watching on YouTube, you'll

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Speaker 1: be able to see the boys are back. We are

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Speaker 1: back in person for the first time in what feels

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Speaker 1: like quite some time for your live met Stuff episode.

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Speaker 1: Here talking about the awful, embarrassing dog shit series against

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Speaker 1: the Boston Red Sox.

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Speaker 3: It was really bad. It was an embarrassment.

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Speaker 1: The Mets played awful baseball, but hey, that's not gonna

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Speaker 1: still hammer some things that are worth speaking of. The

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Speaker 1: big thing here this episode is gonna be talking about

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Speaker 1: a prospect report. You're getting the Mets Up top fifteen

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Speaker 1: everything like that. It will work out our top fifteen

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Speaker 1: guys that we at least want to talk about today

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Speaker 1: in depth. We haven't done that in the while, and

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Speaker 1: with the minor league season ending, feels like it's a

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Speaker 1: perfect time. So we'll talk about some prospects and we'll

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Speaker 1: After some tough technical difficulties here, we came in here

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Speaker 3: How are you feeling. I just realized this.

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Speaker 2: Is the first time that we've done an episode live

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Speaker 2: together since right before the trade deadline we did our

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Speaker 2: trade deadline draft. Yes, and that coincides perfectly with the

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Speaker 2: Mets season falling off a cliff, So I can't help

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Speaker 2: it feel kind of bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like in the future we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to definitely get some more in person. One snuck in

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, once I get once I get a car again,

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Speaker 2: we'll do that. My car died for listeners at home,

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Speaker 2: which is why this has become much less. I biked

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Speaker 1: You don't have to go through that on the YouTube

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Speaker 1: channel here. But we got a lot of talk about

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Speaker 1: Mets are playing awful baseball. This series is just a

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Speaker 2: Definitely, and for everyone home, there is a massive silver

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Speaker 2: Tweets are being retweeted from the Puerto Rico World Baseball

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Speaker 1: That's been the hot topic on Twitter because everyone doesn't

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Speaker 2: Everything is nonsense right now, but it's fun to argue.

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Speaker 1: We get a single, and then Gary DiSarcina has what

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Speaker 2: Pete does not need an excuse to dive anywhere head first.

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Speaker 2: Pi Alonso runs around the bases like the very large

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Speaker 3: He's got to show everyone that he played. He's gotta

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Speaker 2: But this was very similar to the VR play on

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Speaker 3: So he went out and tagged Pie Alonzo.

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Speaker 2: And he got the out. And that was still in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean De Sarcina has We've said it all year,

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Speaker 1: he's got off a third base coach. It's really not

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Speaker 1: so easy to be a third base coach. I'm sure it's,

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Speaker 3: But I think it's really easy.

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Speaker 2: If it's easy, but like you kind of have to

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Speaker 2: time again. Get a hundred fifty games in Gary, De

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Speaker 2: Sarcina does not have any type of feel for this role.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he's a very good coach. I'd like to

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Speaker 2: and he seems to be a positive influence. But holy shit,

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Speaker 2: how can this guy not tell when the balls in

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Speaker 1: There's a great freeze frame of when keyk Hernandez touched

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Speaker 1: on that ball from Alfaro. Tony Tarasco is our third

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Speaker 1: base coach, not Gary DiSarcina. But that was also in

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Speaker 1: and he's out. This was just a good I'm say

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Speaker 2: I say very good, very good, definitely, and you get out,

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Speaker 2: and especially when you could just have bas as well

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Speaker 2: Kevin Pullar and Dom Smith coming up, it's just a

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Speaker 2: bad decision and something I've never seen before, never with

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Speaker 2: Gary DiSarcina.

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Speaker 3: Show the motion.

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Speaker 2: He acted like a hitter who got out he get

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Speaker 3: Never seen it before.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's how you know it was so bad,

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Speaker 2: It's bad. It's bad.

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Speaker 1: But again, that's not why the Mets lost this game.

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Speaker 1: They just didn't play good baseball.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the reasons they lost. I think they've

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Speaker 2: Saiduald Rodriguez, a pitcher who's taken a massive step back

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, but I mean we still didn't hit

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Mets just don't do any of that.

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Speaker 1: No, And the Red Sox got one back right away.

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Speaker 2: Part was he struggle with the bottom of the order mostly.

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Speaker 2: Christian Vasquez, and Jose fucking Iglesias, each of them had

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Speaker 3: No reason.

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Speaker 2: And shit went really bad in the fifth inning, Key

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Speaker 2: And on Tuesday night he threw forty one percent sinkers,

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Speaker 2: while Stroman does have all of these pitches, they kind

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Speaker 3: And it just wasn't sharp.

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Speaker 2: And while it is a very good lineup, you expect

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Speaker 2: down ballot Cy Young Boats to just be a little

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Speaker 3: But just wasn't sharp.

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Speaker 2: And the Mets aren't gonna win a game when Marcus Stroman'

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Speaker 2: is not sharp. No, it's very hard, especially when we

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Speaker 1: And then he also didn't get any help the message

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Speaker 2: He just crumbles throw two. I guess yeah, that's probably

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Speaker 1: Just not a great matchup because these guys have seen

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Speaker 1: and then I mean, you guys know what's coming, right,

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Speaker 2: You know who we're gonna talk about.

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Speaker 1: It's fucking brad Hand again again. I mean game was over,

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Speaker 2: The worst part about brad Hand giving up runs again

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Speaker 2: I only remember that one time he didn't.

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Speaker 2: After the game, Luis Rojas said that they really want

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Speaker 3: Luis, we know what you have.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows, everyone's aware of what you have in brad Hand.

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Speaker 2: The guy isn't good. He you picked him up off

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Speaker 2: He was cut from a team who has World Series aspirations.

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Speaker 2: There's a reason he was even available, and that no

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Speaker 2: not one. He got to you he made it to

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Speaker 2: He's just bad. He's just really bad.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand one wanting to know what you have

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Speaker 2: You can just see it.

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Speaker 1: There's there's no reason to find out more. It's obvious

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Speaker 2: A rough stretch. He's been bad. So it's more over

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Speaker 2: two years of brad Han being not a major league

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Speaker 3: This isn't like fucking two thousand and three.

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Speaker 2: This isn't like pull John Franco off the scrapy No,

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Speaker 1: You gotta hope it can't that that Rojas doesn't want

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Speaker 1: I can't pay money well knowing that that guy is

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Speaker 2: I think there's a better chance of brad Han pitching

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Speaker 2: for the Long Island Ducks than the New York Mets

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Speaker 2: next season.

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Speaker 1: But back to my point, this has to be coming

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Speaker 2: Well, if they are actually tanking, what if the Metal

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Speaker 2: the tenth overall draft pick. If that's if we're actually

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Speaker 2: throwing games, I am all in backhand on this front office.

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Speaker 2: If we're actively cheating for polling the Philadelphia Eagles to

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Speaker 2: then I'm so in on the front office. Everyone keep

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just I just can't. I can't swallow the pill

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Speaker 1: so it's a horse pill. That's one that like goes

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Speaker 2: Focus on building up your saliva for hours beforehand and

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Speaker 3: That's what you can't do anything else.

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Speaker 1: A good note here, Pete's a little closer to forty.

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Speaker 1: And then Game two. Fuck this game. Fuck this game.

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Speaker 1: It was just bad. Literally from the start, Taiwan did

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Speaker 2: I'm in a group chat with my dad and one

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Speaker 2: That would be so cool to have on our team.

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Speaker 2: That'd be so nice, but we don't have that.

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Speaker 1: And then the fucking Met killer that is Kyle Schwarber.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why his second apad after the first

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Speaker 1: He's played like what like, honestly like ten games against

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Speaker 3: I don't even know if it's that many.

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Speaker 2: Seven. He just he killed us. He killed us.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, Verdugo, Kik Jose Glacias JD. I

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: You can do much worse have a nine hole and

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Speaker 1: The Mets have done way worse. We hit James mccannon

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Speaker 1: Taiwan's got nothing left. I mean, we thought he hit

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Speaker 2: second half that this was going to happen, that he

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00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,120
Speaker 2: needed the break, that if we actually had adequate depth,

439
00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,080
Speaker 2: a month off definitely would have helped him a ton.

440
00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,920
Speaker 2: And he was pitching like a little bit over Skis

441
00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,320
Speaker 2: in the first half, Like if you looked at things

442
00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,080
Speaker 2: like his Sierra has expected the era and his fip

443
00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:49,880
Speaker 2: and his ex fip, like he was pitching a little better,

444
00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,920
Speaker 2: but you could expect that base on how good the

445
00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,640
Speaker 2: defense the Mets were playing and the fact that he

446
00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,800
Speaker 2: was getting adequate strikeouts. But none of it's happening at

447
00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,800
Speaker 2: all anymore. His fastball was legit teed off on yesterday. Yeah,

448
00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,520
Speaker 2: he has made that switch in the second half. We

449
00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,320
Speaker 2: was talking about a lot going away from the two

450
00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,520
Speaker 2: seamer and doing all the four seamers. That's probably because

451
00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,920
Speaker 2: he felt like he may have been losing a little

452
00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,440
Speaker 2: bit of juice and he wanted to get that velocity

453
00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,159
Speaker 2: rather than the movement. But literally, the softest ball that

454
00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,199
Speaker 2: was put in play in that four seemer on Wednesday

455
00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,080
Speaker 2: night was in ninety nine miles an hour off the bat.

456
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Speaker 3: WHOA one hundred and six was average?

457
00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,120
Speaker 2: Whoa that PPP?

458
00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:21,920
Speaker 3: That's literally VP.

459
00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,760
Speaker 2: He has, for lack of a better term, completely and

460
00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,119
Speaker 2: utterly fallen apart in the second half, and again I

461
00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:29,920
Speaker 2: think the Mets have misused him. This is a guy

462
00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,600
Speaker 2: who has not thrown one hundred and fifty innings in

463
00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,200
Speaker 2: the season since twenty seventeen. From twenty eighteen through twenty twenty,

464
00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,600
Speaker 2: he threw a total of sixty seven major league innings.

465
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Speaker 2: This there's no reason for him to a pitch this

466
00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,200
Speaker 2: much as the years crossing one hundred and fifty inning threshold,

467
00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,000
Speaker 2: he's gonna make thirty starts he finishes out the season

468
00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,760
Speaker 2: in the rotation. That is gross, gross incompetence, misuse, and

469
00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,040
Speaker 2: you're putting him in jeopardy of next season at that point.

470
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just you don't want to see a

471
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Speaker 1: guy like just get absolutely shot.

472
00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:57,600
Speaker 2: Like that's a confidence.

473
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Speaker 1: That's a tough thing to swallow, I feel like, especially

474
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Speaker 1: with how good of a first half he had.

475
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Speaker 2: Definitely in the first half he was really good. I

476
00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,720
Speaker 2: want to take anything away from Tywan Walker.

477
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Speaker 3: He was an All star.

478
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Speaker 2: He had a two six ERA, a whip that was

479
00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,200
Speaker 2: barely above one at one point zero six. Twenty five

480
00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,440
Speaker 2: percent strikeouts, which is like slightly above league average, is

481
00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,720
Speaker 2: a very good number. Thirty seven percent fly balls, which

482
00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,840
Speaker 2: is a pretty good spot to keep you win, zero

483
00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,680
Speaker 2: point five to seven home runs per nine inning, which

484
00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,520
Speaker 2: is a very very good number keeping the ball in

485
00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,359
Speaker 2: the yard. And only six percent of his fly balls

486
00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,160
Speaker 2: went for home runs, which means even when the ball

487
00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,800
Speaker 2: was put in the air, there weren't really crazy ex

488
00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,520
Speaker 2: of velocities on them. And you want to talk about

489
00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,119
Speaker 2: the second half, right Now, this is literally one of

490
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Speaker 2: the worst two month stretches I've ever seen for a

491
00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,680
Speaker 2: pitcher who's maintained their spot in the rotation. This is

492
00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,040
Speaker 2: shit you see on the Orioles, the Tigers, the Royals,

493
00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,760
Speaker 2: the Rangers, like this is that level of bad. I'm

494
00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,520
Speaker 2: not a guy who uses pitcher record very often. I

495
00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,359
Speaker 2: don't like wins. I don't care about them. You've probably

496
00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,080
Speaker 2: never heard me mention them on this podcast. Taiwan is

497
00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,400
Speaker 2: oh to eight in the second half. It's really hard

498
00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,119
Speaker 2: to pitch well and be and it's really hard to

499
00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,880
Speaker 2: pitch competently. You know why he hasn't pitched well because

500
00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,000
Speaker 2: the era is seven point seven four in the second

501
00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,359
Speaker 2: half since the All Star Game, since Mike Zunino hit

502
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Speaker 2: that home run off him. And you think, maybe I

503
00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,280
Speaker 2: don't know the defense behind him has failed him. No,

504
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,960
Speaker 2: he's a seven point two seven FIP. He's just simply

505
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,560
Speaker 2: getting shelved. He's simply getting annihilated. Whenever the ball gets

506
00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,000
Speaker 2: put in play, it's hit really hard, and the ball

507
00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,560
Speaker 2: is getting put in play a lot. Because his k

508
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,080
Speaker 2: rate has dropped to just eighteen percent in the second half,

509
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,440
Speaker 2: which is well below league average.

510
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:17,399
Speaker 3: Just Matt Harvey numbers.

511
00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was literally when you talked about like this

512
00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:20,720
Speaker 2: is what the oriols and I said, this is what

513
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,280
Speaker 2: I would expect fro Matt Harvey if he was on

514
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,120
Speaker 2: the Mets and the ball's been put in the air

515
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,560
Speaker 2: much more because that flyball ray has jumped up more

516
00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,040
Speaker 2: than ten percent to ten points, not ten percent. Ten

517
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,119
Speaker 2: percent would only be a three percent raise. This is

518
00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,359
Speaker 2: a ten point race to forty eight percent flyballs. That

519
00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,880
Speaker 2: home run per nine is that as shocking three point two.

520
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,959
Speaker 2: He's giving up more than three home runs per nine

521
00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,360
Speaker 2: ing of a pitching That is one of the worst

522
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Speaker 2: numbers I've literally ever seen. Another one of the worst

523
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,440
Speaker 2: numbers I've ever seen. Twenty three percent of his fly

524
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,920
Speaker 2: balls are being translated into home runs. That doesn't even

525
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 2: feel possible to me. That is something that.

526
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Speaker 3: The bad relievers do.

527
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Speaker 1: This, like his numbers on the pitching side would be like,

528
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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the sickest baseball players of all

529
00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,119
Speaker 1: time if that's how he hit, like it's unbelievable. Magine

530
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,879
Speaker 1: if he had a home run twenty three percent of

531
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Speaker 1: the time you had a fly ball, you'd be freaking

532
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:05,160
Speaker 1: Barry Bonds.

533
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 2: You would literally be Barry bonds like those are Barry

534
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 2: bonds late nineties, early two thousands type numbers. And the

535
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,399
Speaker 2: big adjustment for him in the second half was throwing

536
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 2: more four seamers, less two seemers, more splitthers, less sliders,

537
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,359
Speaker 2: and not just screams to the fact that his dogs

538
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 2: are barking. That elbow and that shoulder have to be

539
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 2: killing him if those are the adjustments he's made, and

540
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,960
Speaker 2: his velocity has been level, which is the weirdest part.

541
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Speaker 2: But it just seems like the command is shot. And

542
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,360
Speaker 2: we also should mention that in June he had less

543
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 2: spin on all of these pitches for whatever reason. I

544
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,920
Speaker 2: don't know how, I don't know why, but that seemed

545
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 2: that could have happened. And there's not really a super

546
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 2: definite correlation between losing spin and losing effectiveness. That's not

547
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 2: been proven in any way, shape or form. It has

548
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 2: been proven in some small instances. I'm looking at you,

549
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 2: James Karenhack, big cheeter, mister anti VAXX won't use spider attack,

550
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 2: which is that logic doesn't make any sense in my mind.

551
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 2: But the bottom line is he's just allowing way, way,

552
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,200
Speaker 2: way more barrels and that would be the whole reason

553
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 2: the fly balls have gone up, the home runs have

554
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 2: gone up. He only allowed a barrel in ten of

555
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 2: the seventeen first half starts, and most of those starts

556
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 2: it was really only one per game. The only thing

557
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 2: I didn't take this note because it was it was

558
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 2: hard to tell on the baseball sivine interface, but it

559
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 2: was about three or four times that he allowed multiple

560
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 2: to start. He has allowed at least one barrel and

561
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 2: every single start in the second half besides the first

562
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 2: one he made on July eighteenth, and he's allowed multiple

563
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 2: barrels in all but four of those starts. He has

564
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 2: completely lost it. There's no command, and guys are getting

565
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 2: in the box very very comfortable and simply annihilating the

566
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 2: baseballs against Taiwan Walker.

567
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 1: Te and off teeing off big time. And listen, like

568
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 1: you said, we knew this was coming. Not this bad though, No,

569
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 1: not this bad. That's the one thing we will say.

570
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 2: No. We warned Mets fans that when he was pitching

571
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 2: to a two sixty r in the first half, his

572
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 2: true talent would have indicated he was a low fourth,

573
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 2: high threes guy, which is a fine back into the

574
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 2: rotation pitch, which was supposed to be his job. Yes,

575
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: like four or five, possibly five six. He's a guy

576
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 2: who comes in with depth. He was supposed to be

577
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 2: in the back end with David Peterson, Jordan Fucking Yamamoto,

578
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 2: Joey Lukes if anyone even remembers that person pitched on

579
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 2: the mess this year. He was never gonna be an

580
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 2: as him being an All Star was a great story.

581
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 2: He probably does still have like more to climb, just

582
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 2: because he still has good velocity and he has multiple pitches.

583
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 2: But the Taiwan Walker we got in the first half

584
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,919
Speaker 2: is not his true talent. It's not. But this is

585
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 2: also not his true talent. I think he's really just

586
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 2: fatigued and he needed a break. We didn't have the

587
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 2: depth to give it to him, and this is the result.

588
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 2: This is the consequence.

589
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were expecting Cindergard to be back sooner, Carrasco

590
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: to be back sooner. We were expecting Jacob Degram to

591
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: be pitching. I mean, there's just a lot that has

592
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 1: made Taiwan turned into a different picture than he really

593
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,719
Speaker 1: was probably supposed to be this year. I can't imagine

594
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: coming into the season that he thought he was gonna

595
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Speaker 1: throw more than one hundred and thirty hundred forty innings.

596
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 2: No, and right now he's sitting at one hundred and

597
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: fifty and I just can't imagine this was the plan.

598
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: Can't be it just ca and if it was, again,

599
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: like we got seriously reconsider what we're thinking about in

600
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: this front office.

601
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 2: But this couldn't have been because the metch went into

602
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: this season with like eight usable starting pitchers. I don't

603
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 2: want to say competent, because I got Jordian modof he

604
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 2: gets into an inning next week, he guys are going

605
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 2: to really hear some shit. You gots crushing Syracuse last night?

606
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean are now on motor Like.

607
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 2: There could have been ways to actually leave at him

608
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: and give him one of those il stins three weeks off,

609
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 2: skip your turn a few times, like just get through,

610
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 2: let everything rest up, and do fine, just like the

611
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: White Sox is doing right now. Carlos Rodan a guy

612
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: that we found out this week that the Mets were

613
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 2: considering for this spot, either Rodin or Taiwan, but he

614
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 2: ended up going back to the White Sox. But can

615
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: you do the guy made decision for his family. It

616
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: happens but you need to take load management into considerations.

617
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 2: You can't ramp up from for the innings to one

618
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty.

619
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Speaker 3: You can't do that. It's not smart. You're putting this

620
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 3: guy's health in jeopard and you're putting.

621
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 2: Your team success in jeopardy.

622
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, not smart, not good.

623
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 1: This is something you were harping on a lot at

624
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: the start of the season that like, people aren't gonna

625
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: understand that the innings are really going to catch up

626
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: to people. And that was on guys who pitched last

627
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: year and pitched a good chunk in years before. Taiwan,

628
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: like you said, has thrown sixty innings in three seasons.

629
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: He's just not fair to him.

630
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 2: And to go on a little tangent here a team

631
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 2: that we've made fun of, especially when this happened the

632
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 2: Saint Louis Cardinals. They made the point at the trade

633
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,719
Speaker 2: deadline to get guys with rubber arms so this wouldn't

634
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: be an issue because they were throwing out some like

635
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: really ridiculous starting pitchers in the first half. Johanno Vier

636
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,479
Speaker 2: has good stuff, he just couldn't get anybody out. Jake

637
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 2: wood For is still in there and pitching, but that guy.

638
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: Really sucks that Daniel poncet let Leone.

639
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: He I liked him for a little while, but he's

640
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: like not even a competent reliever anymore. But you could

641
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: just John Lester will just throw six innings every time,

642
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: every five days. Miles meek Loss will throw six innings

643
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: every five days, Jay Hap will throw six innings every

644
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 2: five days.

645
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 3: No matter how effective they.

646
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: Are, they will get the innings, and innings are so

647
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 2: important in baseball right now, yep. And it's been a

648
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 2: big struggle for us too, which it's unfortunate. Whatever it sucks.

649
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: We wish it didn't have to happen that way, but

650
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 1: we have to talk about it. And then Trevor Williams

651
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: came in and he just threw BP because that's gonna happen.

652
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: And Trevor Lewis, you can't pitch the contact against the

653
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 2: Boss Way Park contact.

654
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: Come on, But whatever, like that game was over, it

655
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: was already over at that point. We turned it off.

656
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: Pete hit it another home run, got closer to forty six,

657
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: Pete to forty. That's what we're talking about here. Now

658
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: we'll switch it up. Let's talk about the prospects here,

659
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: because this is what you guys probably really cared the

660
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: most about because you saw the games. There was not

661
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: a lot of redeeming qualities from those. Let's talk about

662
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: some things that maybe could be redeeming here, the prospects,

663
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: and of course we're going to get it started with

664
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: the number one overall prospect in the Mets system, top

665
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: ten in baseball.

666
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: Best catcher, best catching, second, best catching prospect in baseball.

667
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, behind Adleie, but that's a pretty good guy to

668
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 3: be behind us. Let's seem to be honest, at least

669
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 3: like seven years older than him.

670
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least thirty, at least older than one Soto.

671
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: Everyone remember that when Francisco Olivarez turns twenty four, like

672
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 2: Adley Rushman, he'll be inn the leade hittherre in Major

673
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: League Baseball. So it's hard to compare these two guys.

674
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: But we can, and we're going to talk about how

675
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: good Francisco Alvarez is twenty twenty one season has been,

676
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: because it was awesome.

677
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: It was a six sick year. Now, what a massive,

678
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 2: massive success. Francisco Olivera's first full season was in the

679
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: Mets system in the end between Lowey, Saint Lucie and

680
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 2: Hia Brooklyn.

681
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: He wound up with four hundred play the appearances A two.

682
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 2: Seventy two, three eighty eight, five point fifty four slash,

683
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 2: twenty four home runs a one for the eight WRC

684
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: plus that's so sick. It's so sick for a nineteen

685
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: year old catcher. Really, he's younger in every player at

686
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: this level. He wound up with twenty four home runs.

687
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: Like I just said, between Hya and Lowe, that was

688
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: the seventh most of all players in the system. But

689
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: when you really peel back for age and position, it

690
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: even looks way better. It was tied for this set

691
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 2: and most of all players who played less than a

692
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 2: hundred gas. Because Francisco is a catcher, you're gonna just

693
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: image me. You're not gonna play every day, and that's

694
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: that's fine. We're okay with that. This was also by

695
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: far the most home runs for any player between Loway

696
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: and High ages nineteen or younger, and the fifth most

697
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: of any player that agent level since twenty fourteen, and

698
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 2: again by far the most for any catcher and the

699
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: most for any catcher and a ball since two thousand

700
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: and seven.

701
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: That's impressive. Do we happen to know who these guys are.

702
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: They were insignificant players? Okay, yeah, O guy? Interesting? Well

703
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 2: of them? If they were, it was like the home

704
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: runs were guys like Bobby Bradley, the catchers were guys

705
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 2: I've never heard of. Gotcha.

706
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I mean everything you're telling me right there.

707
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: I mean, we knew this kid's a stud. We've watched

708
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: them play, talked to him, interviewed them. You know, that's

709
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: the podcast interview. Francisco Avre is no big deal, great season,

710
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 1: just a coincidence, I guess.

711
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: But I mean, he's just so talented.

712
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to just see this guy rise through.

713
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: The ranks of this farm system. No, And I just

714
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: want to make sure everyone's aware that this guy is

715
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: literally a freak to the highest degree. Like he has

716
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 2: one solo type potential at the plate. In the fifteen

717
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: games in Low Way that he played when they had

718
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: robot umpires, he walked more than two times more than

719
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: he struck out. That's sick. Fifteen walks versus seven strikeouts

720
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: in fifteen games. This this guy has potential to be

721
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 2: one of the better hitters in the entire league. He's

722
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: that good, he's that smart, he's that focused. He's that committed.

723
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: He's also that like fucking strong. The guy's a beast.

724
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: He looks like like a turtle that like just mutated

725
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: and grew to like massive forearms. He hits them all hard.

726
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: I'm really really happy we have him in our organization.

727
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: Yes, and then, of course the other guy that we

728
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: interviewed too, let's talk about Ronnie Mauricio, who also has

729
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: had a really nice year.

730
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: For Ronnie Mauricio, definitely some improvement for sure. No, definitely,

731
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: I've given him my fair shrif of shit. I would

732
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: still be super okay with him being traded this offseason

733
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: if it meant getting back like an elite major league

734
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: player in return. But he really took a major, major

735
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 2: step over his last fifty games for Brooklyn since he

736
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: appeared on the Metstap podcast, and just so happens that

737
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 2: it was a really clean number, like fifty, and just

738
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: so happens that it was like when he like when

739
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: we talked to him. But over those last fifty games,

740
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: his slash line was two sixty nine three twenty seven

741
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: forty eighty seven with ten home runs and a one

742
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 2: to fifteen WRC plus. Still as a twenty one year old,

743
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: still still just saying. And he had a stretch during

744
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: this time where he didn't walk for seventeen straight games

745
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: and he still wound up with a three twenty seven

746
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: on base percentage, which is massive, and all the indications

747
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 2: that he played good enough defensive shortstop to continue to

748
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: play at that position, which was a very big deal

749
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: for him coming into the year.

750
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ronnie, Uh, the big knock on him has always

751
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: been the defense and his patience at the plate. And

752
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: like you said, there was a seventeen game stretch where

753
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: he didn't walk and that's a little.

754
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: Shocking hard to do.

755
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: But to still have that three twenty seven, well it

756
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: might not sound great, that's a massive improvement for what

757
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: we've seen in Ronnie Mauricio. He would have been like

758
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: a two to eighty on base guy with that two

759
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: sixty nine average.

760
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, but his average wasn't two sixty nine.

761
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: It was sitting in like the two thirty two to

762
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: forty range. And that one fifteen WRC plus a very

763
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: big deal because that compares you to every other player

764
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: at that level and the fact that he was fifteen

765
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: percent better than league average at that level a guy

766
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: was not able to get to one hundred at any

767
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: level he's ever played in for a full season. It's

768
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: very good to see that because this is the guy

769
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: with juice. He has some swag, he has all the

770
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: physical tools. He looks like Brandon fucking Marshall out there,

771
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 2: and just over that stretch he cut that k rate

772
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: down twenty three percent and he had that walk rate

773
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: at seven percent. Those are numbers that when you move

774
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: up levels and those get a little bit worse, they're palatable.

775
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: And if those are numbers that he can get back

776
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: to in Double A for next year, because he's gonna

777
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: be there still as a twenty one year olds and

778
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: he played eight fine games. There wasn't anything special but

779
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: the yellehom run. He stole two bags and he's playing

780
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: against a better competition.

781
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: Next year is gonna be a massive swing year for.

782
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: Running Rito's Potentially he could either fall off or become

783
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: a top ten prospect. Yeah, I'm really excited to see

784
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: which way that turns.

785
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: I'm super excited about him. I just like I see him.

786
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: He's got all the swag. I see his Instagram posts

787
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: like he looks like but he looks like he's gonna

788
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: be good. He looks like he's gonna be really good

789
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: and he's playing a lot better, so hopefully continues to

790
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: be on a little bit of a tear. Maybe a

791
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: new Ronni Mariso like we've seen with the guy like

792
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: Hovey Bias who weirdly, weirdly remember he talked.

793
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: About Hobby Bias.

794
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: You know who else is starting to walk in a

795
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: little bit more since that interview.

796
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: Hobby Bye Bias.

797
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: So if he follows the trends of Hobby Bias, we're

798
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: feeling good.

799
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: We're happy about that Hobby fucking Bias walking and we

800
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: hope that we can see Ronnie Mauricio and the Arizona

801
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 2: Fall League is a good chance we had out there.

802
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: And also that is just the best competition that these

803
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: young players are gonna face because it pulls the best

804
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: pitchers from every organization, the best hitters from every organization.

805
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: Guys who play well in Arizona Fall League have consistently,

806
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: year over year performed very well at the ensuing levels.

807
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: That's something I'd really like to see Ronnie go up against.

808
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: Another prospect we're gonna talk about here, Brett Bady, who's

809
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: one that everyone knows about. Another guy he's a little

810
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: Adley Rushman like he's like thirty five years old.

811
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 3: AARP member. As you said in the notes, she was

812
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: just simply too good for high A pitching, no way

813
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: too good.

814
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: And we make fun of his age, but he is

815
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: twenty one, which is like a touch older. Then I'd

816
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: like my guys to be in low way. Ronnie was

817
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: twenty when he was playing there Francisco nineteen as we

818
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: just mentioned, but he just literally like kicked the shit

819
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: out of the pitchers in that division. He slash line

820
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: was three or nine, three, nine, seven, five to fourteen

821
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: let's gross seven home runs, twenty five percent ks, eleven

822
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: and a half percent walks and one forty five WRC plus.

823
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,239
Speaker 2: He was just fucking crushing the ball NonStop. And when

824
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: he did get that call to Binghamton Double A, he

825
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: did struggle a little bit. He struck out fifteen times

826
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: in his first forty play appearances against just five hits,

827
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 2: which that's not great, but you were gonna adjust, You're

828
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: going to a new level. Is the best competition by

829
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: far the Brett Bayley's ever faced his life. Because he

830
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 2: was a thirty six year old in high school. So

831
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: that's a little tough for you, But after that nine

832
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: game period, he fucking stroked it the rest of the season.

833
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: His final thirty one games this season at Binghamton, he

834
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,719
Speaker 2: hit three thirteen, four oh four, five oh four, fourteen

835
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: percent walks, twenty two percent strikeouts, very in line with

836
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: his numbers at Brooklyn, with five home runs and a

837
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: one forty eight WRC plus all of those very in

838
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: line was production in Brooklyn ov his entire season. I

839
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: would like to see probably a little bit more power, yeah,

840
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: but I think maybe he was just still trying to

841
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: get his bearings.

842
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: He maybe shortened up a little bit.

843
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: Sorr just tried to strike out.

844
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: Let's tried to put the ball in play more.

845
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: Still hit the doubles, which we like, and he's going

846
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: to be in double A next year, I think, with

847
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: a very very underrated hit tool, that could push which

848
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: possibly fifty five to sixty. Again, that's the eighty grade

849
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: scouting scale for the people who who aren't very used

850
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: to evaluating prospects like that. But you scout these projects

851
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: from twenty to eighty fifty being average, anything above that

852
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: being above average. Right now, his hit tool is at

853
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: a fifty, and I do think it's bed than that. Yeah,

854
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: and a very big deal for Brett Bailey is that

855
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: he played fifteen games a left field and didn't fuck

856
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 2: it up.

857
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: Yes, and I know your bold prediction.

858
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: I don't remember what episode it was was talking about

859
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: Brett Bady being a possible opening day guy.

860
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: Maybe that was bold.

861
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: It was a good prediction, for sure, But with these numbers,

862
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: especially with how he did settle into Double A, opening

863
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: Day is probably not gonna happen. I think we all

864
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: know that. But there could be a world where Brett

865
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: Baty gets an early call up at some point if

866
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: he continues to mash at the Double A level.

867
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: And we've seen guys make the jump from Double A

868
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: straight to the Major it's like very off well, and

869
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: so a lot of guys have done. And not that

870
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: Brett Bailey is like on the level of those prospects.

871
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: I mean, but Bobby Witt was very much in contention

872
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: to make the jump from Double A to the major

873
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: leagues after a season like very similar to this, and

874
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: he didn't walk nearly as much as this, and his

875
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: defense is probably worse. The guy's stone hands are shortstop bread. Yeah.

876
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: Not a great fielder, no, but everyone should be excited

877
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: bout Brettaiy. He's not get enough love in this organization

878
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: because we have Mauricio Alvarez, two of the thirty best

879
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: hitting prospects in the league. But this guy's a ball player.

880
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: And there's also been another guy, a teammate of his,

881
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: who's been stealing a lot of the thunder too, because

882
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: at the Double A level he did really well, so

883
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: much so to getting called up to Triple A. In

884
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: Mark Vientos. This was a guy that I feel like

885
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: everybody knew what could be there, but he had to

886
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: make some adjustments to his game. Similar to what we

887
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: said with Ronnie, there had to be some changes made

888
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: in order for him to get that bump up and

889
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: really turn into a player that could be a major

890
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: league caliber player. And he did that this year. I mean,

891
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: the dude mashed. And I don't want to say he's

892
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: changed people's perspective on him because I feel like that

893
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: makes you think like he was like bad and now

894
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: he's good. But he has definitely impressed a ton of

895
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: people to raise his ceiling.

896
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: He's changed my perspective a lot. He's, for me, my

897
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: biggest surprise in this system this year. He's just simply

898
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: has never stopped hitting like. He was second of all

899
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: players in Double A with in terms of WRC plus

900
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: ages twenty one youngers. That kicks out Adelie Rushman, that

901
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: old fuck, and Riley He was ahead of Riley Green

902
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: the whole season. He got on by one point before

903
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: his call up one damn point one point one forty

904
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: five or is one forty four, which is still just

905
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: an incredible number. And at the end of his time there,

906
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: he hit twenty two home runs in seventy two games,

907
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: which is ignorant. That puts you on basically a fifty

908
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: home run pace for one hundred and sixty two, which

909
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: I don't want to do one hundred and sixty two

910
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: because this isn't major league pitching. But that's just a

911
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: sense of how often the ball was leaving the yard

912
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 2: when Mark Viantos was at the plate.

913
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: And when he got the call up to Triple A

914
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: late in the season, he continued to hit at the

915
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: Triple A level too. So this is the guy whose

916
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: bat is getting really dangerously close to MLB ready.

917
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, he He got a base hit in his

918
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: first three games to Syracuse and they're still playing games there.

919
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: And I made these notes, Yes, why didn't yesterday's game,

920
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: so we'll see what happens there. But he's just twenty

921
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 2: one years old, which is ridiculously young for Triple A,

922
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 2: insanely young, one of the youngest players the entire level.

923
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: But where he's risen this year is I don't want

924
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: to say shock him because he was a first round

925
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: pick and everyone knew he had talent, but I am

926
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: shocked by it. I had, like I don't want to

927
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: say giving up on Mark Viento's but like, I wasn't

928
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: gonna sit around and wait for the four years while

929
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: he figured that I was played discipline and he has

930
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: bypassed all of that, doubt all of it. There's an

931
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: outside chance he's in Queens next year Brett Baby, and

932
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 2: they're both just twenty one years old.

933
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: And he also did a very similar thing with Brett

934
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: Brady Batty because he's a corner guy in the infield.

935
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 3: He played a little bit of outfield too, he did.

936
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: Those guys were both playing a little bit of left

937
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: field this year, which kind of lets you know where

938
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: the Mets are thinking of both of these guys, especially

939
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: because the Mets upper miners outfield depth is really just

940
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: pure trash The one guy with redeeming qualities is Khalil Lee,

941
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: who I want to bring up next because he also

942
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: had a very very similar rise of Viento's this year

943
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: as a guy who I don't think many people thought

944
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: was going to be a very central part of this

945
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: farm system, who has really impressed like me and everyone else, especially.

946
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: I think he also got the unfortunate, like too early

947
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: call up when he like shok out those eight times

948
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: in a row. Because as much as people know that

949
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: he was a young prospect and he was kind of

950
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: thrown to a crazy situation, they see your first aid

951
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: at bats being eight strikeouts where he just looked completely overpowered,

952
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: the idiots will lose faith. But of course, obviously you

953
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: shouldn't be that kind of person.

954
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, don't be a moron. Be a fan

955
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: who looks at data and information, understand what was going

956
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: on here, because this is a guy who's striking out

957
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: before he got that call in May over thirty percent

958
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: of time in triple A. If you're triking at thirty

959
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 2: percent of the time in triple A, you could basically

960
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: tack on five to ten percent of that for a

961
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: major league sample. And he didn't get that much of

962
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: a sample because it was only actually dead end up

963
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 2: being like a month.

964
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: I feel like I think it was up for like

965
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: two weeks because cash Money maybe ended up taking that

966
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: playing time.

967
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: But from when he went back down, he lit the

968
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: entire world on fire. He went back down to the

969
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: miners on June first, which is again that's when cash

970
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: Money Maven came into the picture and Billy Billy Billy bombs,

971
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: Billy bombs from good Times, Good Times there. He played

972
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: eighty seven games after that. Slash line was two seventy

973
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: four forty seven on base, gross four forty seven on base.

974
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: That's one so of the numbers with a five hundred

975
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: slug percentage, twelve home runs, eighteen percent walks, and still

976
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: thirty percent case, which that's a problem, but like if

977
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: you're walking twenty percent.

978
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: Of the time, it's palatable at least.

979
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: I feel like he always gets compared to Franchie Cordero,

980
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: which he was also weirdly in the Franchie Cordero trade.

981
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: Very similar players in that they hit bombs, they have

982
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: like all these crazy tools, these elite tools. Yeah, but

983
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 1: sometimes they've had trouble with strikeouts. They've had trouble putting

984
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: it all together. But it seems like Khalil Lee is

985
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: getting that patience at the plate that at least, like

986
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: you said, makes that k rate a little palatable.

987
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: Definitely, And by the end of the season, even including

988
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: his first stretch there before he got called up to

989
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: the majors where he wasn't as good as he wound

990
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: up being, in the end, he had a one to

991
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: fifty nine WRC plus, which was the best in all

992
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: of Triple A. That's sick all players who were qualified,

993
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 2: because some guys went up and played a little bit short.

994
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: By the time that old man Adley, he was the

995
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 2: clearly at the highest WRC plus of any qualified Triple

996
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: A hitters. And again, this guy's still just twenty three

997
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: years old, which is a very appropriate age for that level.

998
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: Younger than Nadlie Rushman. Guys, that's the bar we're gonna

999
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: keep setting here, younger than Natlie Rushman. It's a it's good.

1000
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: It's good to see him play because the Mets really

1001
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: could use some help in that outfield depth, like you said,

1002
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 1: and this could be a guy that, like I mean,

1003
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: at the absolute worst, is going to be a very.

1004
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: Very good defensive center like outfielder for the Mets. Yeah,

1005
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 2: there's no reason that clearly shouldn't be in contention for

1006
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 2: a roster spot next year, the fourth or fifth outfielder

1007
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: with powers, spead and good defense. The strikeout rate is

1008
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 2: probably not going to improve very much. I can't see

1009
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: him striking out less than thirty percent of the major

1010
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 2: league level unless something absolutely insane happens. But that kills

1011
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: the ceiling. But this is a very useful major league player.

1012
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 2: The Met's got less offseason.

1013
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: We've played Albert Alma games. No, Khli can be on

1014
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: this team.

1015
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: He's much better than out with them more, much better

1016
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 2: than olver them. Moore. And then one more outfielder in

1017
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: the upper miners I want to bring attention to is

1018
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: a Carlos run Cone, the guy we got in exchange

1019
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: for Billy Bombs. Yeah, remember when we had that. Remember

1020
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 2: when we were winning and we had Billy McKinney playing

1021
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: in the outfield as one of the best players in baseball.

1022
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: That was a lot of fun.

1023
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: You know, he's been awful for the Dodgers too.

1024
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: Love to hear that horrifict, but we got this, got

1025
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: Carls for Cone out of it, and the Dodgers are

1026
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: experts at developing these like very high variant outfielders just

1027
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: hit bombs. The guy like Andy Pagas comes to mind,

1028
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: who has I think the most home runs and all

1029
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: of either high crushing it. I'm pretty sure when I

1030
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: was doing all these stistical look ups, the Dodgers have

1031
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: the three highest home run totals in a ball on

1032
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: their system makes sense. Dodgers are very good at this.

1033
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: So the fact that they were able to give this

1034
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: guy up, you could like perceive one.

1035
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 3: Of two ways.

1036
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: Either he's so good and they have such a surplus

1037
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: they don't care, or they just don't see anything to

1038
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: come out of him because they have great scouting internally

1039
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 2: and externally, and they don't give a fuck because he

1040
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: can like ride out because they have a guy like

1041
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: Eddie Leonard who just pops them nowhere and it's just

1042
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: like gonna be one of the best.

1043
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 3: In fielders in all the minor leagues now.

1044
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: But this guy has massive power and mass, massive swing

1045
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: and miss potential in his game. Ten home runs in

1046
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: thirty eight games for Binghamton with a twenty eight percent.

1047
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 3: K rate like good and bad.

1048
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,959
Speaker 2: But the one thing about Ringcone on the steel marks

1049
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: like hitting whisper uh Moniker here is I kind of

1050
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: like his swing. He's like very quick to the ball.

1051
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: There's a lot not a lot of extraneous movement A

1052
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: lot of times when you see guys I think of

1053
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: khleliar Lye right now in his swing, you see.

1054
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 3: Like the loop, the long loop.

1055
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 2: Coust fram Cone doesn't have that, Like he is right

1056
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: to the ball, not nothing really messing up there in between.

1057
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: Like I think there is a chance you could iron

1058
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 2: out this I don't know this swing and missing his game.

1059
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: And also just like maybe if he gets it down

1060
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: a little bit, get the triple A next year. Another

1061
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 2: guy who could be very good organizational depth of New

1062
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: York Mets.

1063
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: Didn't you say when we got him that he gave

1064
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: Vlad Junior run for his money in the home run

1065
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: derby in the minor leagues two?

1066
00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: Or might like.

1067
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: Imagining, ok it could be true, but I didn't say it. Okay,

1068
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: then whatever, I don't know where that's coming from. But yeah,

1069
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: this guy, I agree. I think his swing looks really clean.

1070
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: It's definitely clean. It surprises me that strikes as much

1071
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: as he does. That leaves me believe it's more of

1072
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: a discipline thing rather than yeah, like the actual mechanics

1073
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: of that swing.

1074
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: To hang out with France Scuavras for a week or two,

1075
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: they'll be in the same team next year.

1076
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: Alvarez Viento spread baty.

1077
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: We got a lot of good hitters he could learn

1078
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: from this Double A team next year. If they end

1079
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: up leaving baby there, which I doubt. I feel like

1080
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: they'll start there in Triple A. But just depending on

1081
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: how many players we sign, because I feel like the

1082
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: Mets are going to really play an emphasis on signing

1083
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: a lot of major league minor league is this offseason.

1084
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: Guys who you signed play played the major leagues for

1085
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: a long time, but you give them my minor league deals.

1086
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: Perrazzo's jewelries.

1087
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: The entire Giants Triple A teams situation like that.

1088
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: So there's a chance the Mets are running out like

1089
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: seven electric Double A hitters next year.

1090
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll be that'd be fun team to watch in Binghamton.

1091
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: If you care about minor league baseball, let's talk about

1092
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: our guy who we didn't get to interview.

1093
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 2: We're supposed to that day.

1094
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 3: JT Gin Gin Gin again Gin.

1095
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm that's never going to click in my head

1096
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: until he's like actually on the major league roster if

1097
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: that happens.

1098
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: But again, JT.

1099
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: Tangerret j T tangerratt. He had an interesting year.

1100
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: Coming back from Tommy Johns, so it was always going

1101
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: to be up and down, and it definitely was.

1102
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: Definitely he had some good starts mixed into his first

1103
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: couple months in Brooklyn, and we highlighted all of those

1104
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: back and forth. He was one of our most talked

1105
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: about players in our mid season prospect reports, but he

1106
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: found his groove over the last twenty eight and two

1107
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: thirds innings pitch for Brooklyn. He had a one point

1108
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 2: two six ERA not whip, a one point two six ERA,

1109
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 2: a twenty one percent k rate, and he got the

1110
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: fastball up to ninety six miles an hour. That's fine,

1111
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 2: You're going to the offseason very positive there. He didn't

1112
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 2: throw that miny innings, So you could do some nice

1113
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: ballpens in the offseason, Maybe go a little maybe go

1114
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 2: a little pitching academy, maybe figure something out there, work

1115
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,959
Speaker 2: on that slide there, maybe develop a change up here.

1116
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: I like Jat Again.

1117
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 2: I think I don't think he'll ever be an ace,

1118
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 2: but I think it's a very good chance he winds

1119
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 2: up being a back end rotation pitcher for the Mets. Yeah,

1120
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: and I think we would very much take that better

1121
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 2: than David Peterson potential.

1122
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh for sure, David Peterson was supposed to get

1123
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: major innings this year. And then let's talk about some

1124
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: of the younger guys, maybe even right now, let's talk

1125
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 1: Alex Ramirez.

1126
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 2: Who's the guy that you were excited about.

1127
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that you're, you know, crazy

1128
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: about this guy by any means, but you be crazy

1129
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: about you You had.

1130
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: Intrigue for sure. He's the highest uh bone, the highest

1131
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: oponents given any mess prospects says for Sis squal for so,

1132
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put I'm gonna put some kegs in this basket,

1133
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 2: like you know. And he just wound up as basically

1134
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: a league average player in low eight eighteen years old,

1135
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: the ninety six WRC plus and he walks seven percent

1136
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: of the time, which for agat eighteen year old in

1137
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: lowe leagues that a league that some college guys wind

1138
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: up going to. This is a very very positive season

1139
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: for Alex Dramirez, Like other stuff was really ugly. All

1140
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: this stuff was ugly struck got like thirty percent of

1141
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 2: the time he got cost stealing way more than each

1142
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: other for a guy at his speed, went with all

1143
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: those ridiculous rules down there, like it wasn't great, wasn't great.

1144
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: But he's eighteen years old, eighteen years old, he is

1145
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: probably younger than you right now listening to this podcast,

1146
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: and he was playing in Saint Lucie and he was

1147
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 2: really only one of three qualified eighteen year olds at

1148
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 2: the entire level, and he was like by far the

1149
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: best guys who had way more pedigree than him, a

1150
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 2: guy like Alexander Mohica who dominated the I think the DSL,

1151
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: the CPX League for the Pirates two years ago he

1152
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: got a big bonus, and Robert Poisson who got the

1153
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 2: same bonus as YAsO Dominguez from the Oakland Athletics.

1154
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: He had a way better season than them, And.

1155
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: Just also mentioning YAsO on Domingoz, who wasn't qualified for

1156
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: the level he played there for most of the year.

1157
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 3: He only had a one o five WRC plus.

1158
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: So alex Ramirez was a stone's throwaway from someone who

1159
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: people believe to be the best prospect in baseball next

1160
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: Mickey Mantle and the Mickey Mantle mixed with Barry Bonds

1161
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: mixed with Mike Trout, which is just foolish. That's I

1162
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: think can say.

1163
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: No, we're bo the same height.

1164
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: Jason Domingez is five foot eleven. I'm six foot three.

1165
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 2: And then another prospect was down this level, not this level,

1166
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: down the DCL DSL who I've mentioned a few weeks

1167
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 2: ago when the last prosper reports we did is Joel ds.

1168
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: He's actually picked up some steam on Mets Twitter.

1169
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 3: It's been your guy.

1170
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody mentioned him before me, but

1171
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take some credit for that one.

1172
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 3: I gotta say right now.

1173
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: This is why you listen to the Mets of the podcast.

1174
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: We're before everybody else. We're quick on this.

1175
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: I love the prospects off. I might be doing some

1176
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 2: more prospects stuff in the future. Possibly, We'll see what

1177
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 2: happens these next few weeks here. But I saw Jacob

1178
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 2: resning to a bit big deep dive Twitter thread on

1179
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: Joel Daz so weak aster I talked about him. I'm

1180
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 2: not gonna take credit for it, but again, this guy

1181
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: is someone who has some serious potential, serious potential. Again,

1182
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 2: everyone should check out the deep dive that Jacob Bresnik

1183
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: and Joe DeMeo did than him, because it's way more

1184
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: information I had that time, because which wasn't that much.

1185
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 3: The Internet and.

1186
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: They have great facilities to get that information. I wish

1187
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: I had that. I hope I do someday soon. But

1188
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 2: this dude is like legitimately a child. He's seventeen years old,

1189
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: and he's topping out ninety five miles an hour with

1190
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 2: a very useful change up and a pretty good looking curveball.

1191
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 2: A long kid comes right over the top, he drops

1192
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: that thing down. You kind of have to scout this

1193
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: guy as if he is a high school pitcher, a

1194
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: high school junior, even because in the spring year you're

1195
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: gonna be seventeen years old still. And he ended up

1196
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: with forty two innings pitch in the DSL, which you're getting.

1197
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: This is like the best Dominican hitters at this age

1198
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: on the planet, ages sixteen through nineteen. This serious competition

1199
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: here wound up in forty two innings pitch with a

1200
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: zero point four to three ERA, one extra base hit allowed,

1201
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: one extra base hit allowed, thirty two percent strikeouts and

1202
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: six strikeouts per walks and forty one percent swing strike rate.

1203
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 2: And that's like all the pitches you throw. I talk

1204
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: about whiff rate a lot in this podcast. That is

1205
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: the amount of wifs per swing, swing strike rate is

1206
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 2: whiffs per pitch. This was forty one percent for a

1207
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: seventeen year old, a kid, a child.

1208
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: Now you gotta think of like the DSL and all

1209
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: those like those summer leagues or whatever as like almost

1210
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: the AAU scene fake the Dominican Republic.

1211
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: Eighteen nineteen US that like kids like Kellen nigg Brebati play, then.

1212
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 3: That's what this is. Yeah, and he's playing that.

1213
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: Well, you gotta look at the guys who are rising

1214
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: to the top there, because that's really what you're gonna

1215
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: take a deeper dive into. You want to see the

1216
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: guys who are excelling above the rest. Joel Diaz seemed

1217
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: to be doing that on the mound.

1218
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: You have to dominate that league to really get looks

1219
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: on even the deepest prospect list of two fifties to

1220
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: five hundreds, the one thousands which some crazy crazy people

1221
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 2: actually put out there if anyone wants to really look deep.

1222
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: And while I was looking at Joel Diaz, I found

1223
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: possibly another gem in the Mets system pitching at this level.

1224
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 2: A guy named Javier Atensio. I like that name, that

1225
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: feels like your name, calling your attention. Yes, we signed

1226
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: him in the same class in Francisco Ovres. So he's

1227
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: a little bit older, nineteen years old, same as Ovres,

1228
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: but he's a pitcher, so it takes a little longer.

1229
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: And he's still growing into his body.

1230
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: If you look at the Tensio, he kind of like

1231
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: has broad shoulders, but he still has some space to

1232
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: like put some put some mass on.

1233
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 3: You'll get in the weight.

1234
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 2: Room, pitch press a little bit. He misses somehow more

1235
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: bats than Joel Diaz. He wound up this year in

1236
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: the DSL with a forty four percent strikeout rate and

1237
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: a forty five point two swing strike rate. And again

1238
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: I want to again harp on his body because he's

1239
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: six feet tall and just one hundred and sixty pounds

1240
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: you're gonna put there's there's room for weight on there,

1241
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, no doubt. This is like when your

1242
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: scoun kids for college football, Like he's gonna put weight

1243
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: on there. He's gonna be able to develop the ed rusher.

1244
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: He looks like he could really get beefy. And on

1245
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: top of all that, he is a lefty dominating at

1246
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 2: this level. I like that hard for the lefties to

1247
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: develop that that stroke developed, those mechanics there. So I

1248
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: really think that every Mets fan should be aware of

1249
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: Javier at Tensio. And now I'm gonna get very deep

1250
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 2: into pitching here. I'm gonna rattle off four or five

1251
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 2: guys right now that all could be depth next year

1252
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: for the midjle leagues. One guy, Jose Budou a Budo

1253
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: Will that's gonna be our guy. I've talked about him

1254
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 2: a lot this year. We're gonna need to protect him

1255
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: from Rule five draft this year because he's eligible. And

1256
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: he wound up after his call up to Binginson with

1257
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 2: very similar samples between Brooklyn and Binghamton fifty eight innings

1258
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: versus forur the innings, and he actually had a better

1259
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: strikeout rate at Binghamton twenty about thirty percent, twenty nine

1260
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: point nine versus twenty five point one.

1261
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 3: His change up is gross.

1262
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: Some people have called it the best in the Mets

1263
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 2: entire system, which we don't have a lot of great

1264
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: pitching prospects, so that's not a hard crown to wear.

1265
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 3: But I've watched videos of him.

1266
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: It is a very gross change up, but fades uh

1267
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: fades away from his arm actions very nice, probably a

1268
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: decent difference in velocity. Guy. Can't find any lost in

1269
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: this guy. Even the videos of minor league games ve lost.

1270
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: He just doesn't pop up.

1271
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: Sometimes pis poor.

1272
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: That's the year twenty twenty one, and we can't even

1273
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: get like an iPhone camera filled in these games.

1274
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: It's fucking insane. But like it was, got a lot

1275
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: of swings missus.

1276
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: So I like that.

1277
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that since he's a good pitcher and

1278
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: doesn't throw a lot of velocity it's fastball, he is

1279
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: able to separate those very well. And even though he

1280
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: doesn't throw a gat velocity, he's not really an imposing

1281
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: figure on the mound. He's more of like again, like

1282
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: that six' one six to two guy who just like

1283
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: has a little bit of mass inside of him. He's

1284
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: not afraid to work and in ninety's fastball up in

1285
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: his own I love those balls.

1286
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 3: You need balls when you're a pitcher like that.

1287
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: And he's gonna be depth for next year's rotation because,

1288
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: like I said, protecting him from the rule five means

1289
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: he will be on our forty man roster, and that's

1290
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 2: gonna be great. I think Obo's gonna pitch on Queen's

1291
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: next year.

1292
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 3: I would I would like to see it.

1293
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: We have some guys on that forty man like I said,

1294
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: that just don't really feel like they should be.

1295
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: I'd rather see Jose Buodoill get a spot.

1296
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 3: Than Jordaniao Modo, let's be honest.

1297
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 2: No, definitely, no'mber The name two pitchers right now who

1298
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: also could be Rule five protected this year, but I

1299
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 2: don't expect them to be, just because they're a little

1300
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 2: bit older and not as impressive as Buddo. Josh Walker

1301
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: and Adam Ahler Oler Oler who've done this before. I

1302
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 2: still in look up his name, Oh yeah, oh yeah,

1303
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: Adam Oye. They're both twenty six years old. Walker specifically

1304
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: rose from Brooklyn to Syracuse this season, which is like

1305
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 2: pretty disgusting, and he was very impressive with those first

1306
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: two stops. We did struggle in Syracuse.

1307
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: He gave up eight earn.

1308
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 2: Runs his first start there. Then he had two great games.

1309
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: We threw six inning if he have no run to

1310
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: struck out a ton of guys, and then he had

1311
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 2: a seven y over his next five starts and then

1312
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 2: his last start last week, seven strike outs in five innicks.

1313
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: Sure whatever, twenty six years old, Rule five, Rule five eligible.

1314
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 2: He might get snatched up, he might not. He'll pitch

1315
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: in Syracuse next year. He'll be more depth. Adam Ohler

1316
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: is a guy I like more. Adam Ohler if nothing else,

1317
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: has a fucking disgusting curveball, and just having that, he

1318
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: could possibly be a reliever at the next level. He

1319
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: made the jump this year from Double A to Triple A,

1320
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 2: and he did it like super well. His first star

1321
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: in Syracuse, he had thirteen strike as a six.

1322
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: That's predominant at any level, and that's.

1323
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 2: The level as close to the major leagues could possibly get.

1324
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 2: You're facing a lot of major legu hits Triple especially

1325
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: face the fucking Giants because they have a DA have

1326
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 2: a major league team down there. He legitimately just had

1327
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 2: one bad star in Triple A where he lost his command,

1328
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 2: he walked four guys, gave up five runs. But otherwise,

1329
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: even including that bad start, he had a two point

1330
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: one six ERA and twenty seven percent KRA and six

1331
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: stars of Syracuse. This is a guy who no one

1332
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: knows at all. No, no, not on the forty men roster,

1333
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: and he literally dominated Triple A. So I would like

1334
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: to see him get a shot next year again over

1335
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: a guy like Jordanian Moto, who is very clearly not

1336
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: good and has no pitches that are above average. This

1337
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: guy least has a curve ball, like.

1338
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: Damn poor Jordani Moto.

1339
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 2: He's catching a lot of straight shots in this show,

1340
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 2: but the Mets have been so bad that it might

1341
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 2: as well. Again, he's gonna pitch next week, and I'm

1342
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: gonna be furious.

1343
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: I have no problem taking shots that the guy that's

1344
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: not gonna have the team next year, like.

1345
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: I would rather add them Oler Jose get those major

1346
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: league nings and organ and not even close. And again

1347
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 2: the rules are stupid, Like if we could have traditional

1348
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 2: September call ups and it wouldn't count against this guy's option,

1349
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 2: they would probably be getting endings and that'd be cool

1350
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 2: to see because I would like to see Bud Thos

1351
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: change up or Owlers curveball against actual top end major

1352
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: league talent. But we're not gonna get that chance, so

1353
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: thanks Rob Manfred. Yeah, he's good for nothing, good for nothing.

1354
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: Last two pitches is gonna touch on very briefly. Junior

1355
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: Santos had a very disappointing season. The guy who always

1356
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: gets thrown into the trade.

1357
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 3: Rumors for no reason.

1358
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: No one knows who he is, no know why, because

1359
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: he's like middle of the pack on the MLB pipeline

1360
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: and they're like, he's a young pitcher, won't think he's

1361
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: also he's six seven. It takes guys for six to

1362
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: seven a very long time to figure this shit out.

1363
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 2: His kra was under twenty percent, Saint Lucie, his era

1364
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 2: was over four and a half. Just let him pitch

1365
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: there again next year. Maybe get to Brooklyn with that

1366
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: awful batter side and see if you could figure it out.

1367
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: Six seven. The guy six seven is power forward. That's tall.

1368
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: That's tall, and it's lanky and that alone that that

1369
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: that uh, what's that reach?

1370
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that could cause some problems for some hitters. That

1371
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 2: definitely help him. Takes a while to developed those mechanics

1372
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 2: that height.

1373
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: It takes a while.

1374
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 2: And the last pitcher I'm gonna talk about, because I'm

1375
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: sure everyone's still very engaged. I'm sure Mark is right now.

1376
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: Well, I'm looking up one pitcher that I want to

1377
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: talk about too, because I got to give a shout

1378
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: out to somebody here justin Lasco.

1379
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 3: He rose from Saint Lucy to Binghamson this year.

1380
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: He rose through both A levels, wound up at Double A,

1381
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 2: and he dominated the lower the lower levels dominated the

1382
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: LOWAY and High A. He struggled a lot in Double A.

1383
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 2: He had an eight ERA and basically the exact same

1384
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: mass strike as his walks in five stars.

1385
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 3: You definitely don't want to see.

1386
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: But he has another rule before he's Rule five eligible,

1387
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: so we'll get the pitch next year, Double A the

1388
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: whole year.

1389
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 3: If he has something, has something.

1390
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: If he doesn't, he doesn't organizational depth.

1391
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: And the guy I want to give a shout out

1392
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: to here, David Griffin, a friend of the podcast, A

1393
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: big shoutut to him.

1394
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 2: Nice season.

1395
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 3: He ended up with a really nice season.

1396
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:47,959
Speaker 1: And that's a guy who came from independent ball playing

1397
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: in the Inser Baseball Confederacy, which I'll never forget.

1398
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: That's just not even a real thing.

1399
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: Fourteen games, five and two record, three point five seven ERA,

1400
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: seventy innings pitched, seventy eight strikeouts, one two seven. He's

1401
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: twenty six. He was in High A ball or twenty five.

1402
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 1: He was in High A ball, So yeah, the potential

1403
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: may not be through the roof on this guy, but hey,

1404
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: cool story.

1405
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: Friend of the podcast.

1406
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 3: We're gonna give him a shout out.

1407
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely David Griffin. That's roight GM of the Pelicans.

1408
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: Yes, GM of the Pelicans is also pitching for the

1409
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Cyclones.

1410
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: And now we have a couple of bats that I

1411
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 2: want to talk about before we get going, and the

1412
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: mark takings I've been talking for.

1413
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 3: About twenty minutes straight.

1414
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got Carlos Cortes South Carolina gamecock literally wearing

1415
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 1: a Carolina shirt today Southlina color. Yes, you are wow,

1416
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: look at that nice matching here. But yeah, Carlos Cortez

1417
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 1: known from the days of the game Cox. He's always

1418
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: been a very good hitter and he was one of

1419
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: the best hitters in the Mets system this year. What's

1420
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: really interesting about him is he's a switch thrower. That's

1421
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: just a fun fact to throw out there. He'll play

1422
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: the outfield, he'll throw left, he plays the infield, he'll

1423
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: throw righty. So yeah, he was at DOUBLEA for a

1424
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: full season this year. He's spent a full season at

1425
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: Low A High a as well, and he's been pretty

1426
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: good at all spots.

1427
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: He just doesn't really have a spot in the field.

1428
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: And that's what you could imagine from a guy who's

1429
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: trying to switch, throw and play any position he can,

1430
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: like he's trying to get any advantage to get on

1431
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: into the field possible.

1432
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 3: But the big thing here was his power.

1433
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: His ISO jumped up almost one hundred points higher in

1434
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: twenty eight than it was twenty nineteen. And he also

1435
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: is hit a lot more flyballs, and as you guys know,

1436
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: whether you like it or not, hitting fly balls is

1437
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: better than a ground ball. So for seeing that fly

1438
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 1: ball rate jump up to fifty percent, which is basically

1439
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: like one of the better numbers there for a minor

1440
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: league or for flyball percentage, that is something to keep

1441
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: note of. That's something to keep an eye on for.

1442
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a utility player. Again, not crazy high

1443
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 1: ceiling on Carlos Quartz, but the fact that he could

1444
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: play a bunch of positions, none of them particularly well,

1445
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: but have this maybe above average bat. That's something that

1446
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 1: the Mets we've been talking about, lack a lot.

1447
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 2: Of, definitely, and just based on the way he's being developed,

1448
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 2: one year at low way, one year at high one

1449
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 2: year at Double A. I'm not a trendspot here, but

1450
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a Syracuse to open the season next year,

1451
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: and just if he continues to rake, he will wind

1452
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: up getting a couple at bats in Queens, especially if

1453
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 2: the DH.

1454
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: Is a thing.

1455
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, if the DH is a thing.

1456
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: And then another SEC guy to talk about Jake Mangum

1457
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: from Mississippi State, who's been in the minors with the

1458
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: Mets for a few years now. The cool thing about

1459
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: him is his plate discipline is sick. He doesn't strike

1460
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: out like at all. Two full seasons. Twelve percent k rate,

1461
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: seventeen percent rate. That's really really good, especially with how

1462
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: baseball's played nowadays. He's not gonna hit power like anything crazy.

1463
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: He showed a little bit more than he has in

1464
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: the past. But this is a guy who's gonna hit

1465
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: the ball well, it's gonna get on base a little bit.

1466
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: He's gonna play good outfield for you. All around solid

1467
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: player against ceiling. Not particularly high on him, but he

1468
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: could be a very capable major leaguer as well.

1469
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 3: Definitely.

1470
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: I have no idea why. In the nine games he

1471
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 2: played with Brooklyn, he had a forty percent k rate.

1472
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 2: Doesn't make any sense. Weird, doesn't doesn't make any sense

1473
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 2: at all.

1474
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: And I thought that is because he was playing in

1475
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 1: Brooklyn and maybe the thunderbolt was getting in his eyes

1476
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: on the road, on the road, which is interesting. And

1477
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 1: then let's talk about our guy, Jalen Palmer, another interviewee

1478
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: of the Mets Uff podcast, versatile Versatility.

1479
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: Wasn't that what he said to be like?

1480
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 3: That was his number one trait about himself.

1481
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: And he's been playing center field and this is a

1482
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: guy who is not a center fielder. He was a

1483
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: shortstop third baseman, became more of a third baseman in

1484
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: the Mets miners, and once he got to Brooklyn center field.

1485
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: He's a big, strong kid. He's a great athlete. While

1486
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: he strikes out a shit don forty k rate, he

1487
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: did start to, you know, cut down the case a

1488
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: little bit. And he also walks pretty high. So same

1489
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: thing to a little khalil Leish. Not as as good,

1490
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: but not yet.

1491
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 3: He's not younger than him.

1492
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: He is much younger than he's still twenty one and

1493
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: twenty years old, correct, Yeah, twenty I think he is. Yeah,

1494
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: So there's stuff to grow here with him. The fact

1495
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: that he does have the ability to walk is just

1496
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: something that's really hard to teach. Cut down the strikeouts,

1497
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: little play discipline here and there.

1498
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: Just on Like he struggles with the breaking ball. I

1499
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 2: know that for a fact.

1500
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 3: I mean, who does.

1501
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: It's tough.

1502
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: The breaking Ball's not an easy pitch to hit. But

1503
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: he is versatile. He's a big, strong kid, and I

1504
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: like what I see out of him. I like the

1505
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: tools that he has.

1506
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, Jalen Palmer is big, strong, fast,

1507
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 2: and he takes a lot of walks that will get

1508
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: you to a that will get you far enough. Probably

1509
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 2: as long as you can build up a little bit

1510
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: on that, he'll be some player. Another player I want

1511
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: to talk about who also made the jump with Jalen

1512
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: from Saint Luis he to Brooklyn's Jose Perosa, now Jose Parrazza.

1513
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 2: A lot of people get that confused and probably think

1514
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 2: that Jose Perosa is like this little weak, kidding middle infielder.

1515
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 2: But no, there's a big their base.

1516
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 3: Rather from another mother.

1517
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's guys, some power right here. It's very sneaky

1518
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: good prospect in this Mets system. He had one thirty

1519
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 2: six WRC plus the Saint Lucie. But again he struggled

1520
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 2: in Brooklyn eighty two WRC plus. But he's gonna start

1521
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 2: next year again, I'm assuming in Brooklyn, and he's still

1522
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 2: just gonna be twenty one years old through June next year.

1523
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 2: It's his twenty second birthday. So this guy is an

1524
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 2: appropriate age for the level. He is an above average

1525
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: hitter at the level below, and he has some sneaky

1526
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: power potential. This is a player who you're gonna probably

1527
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 2: see in like the twelve to eight range of Mess

1528
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 2: prospect lists this offseason.

1529
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: Love to get anecdotal here, but at the game that

1530
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: we went to, remember he had a couple of nice

1531
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: at balls. Who is this guy again? Jose Perrosa, So

1532
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: I like to see that he's in the sixth pot. Now,

1533
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: the guy you got here is Kevin Kendall. I don't

1534
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: have a clue who this is.

1535
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 3: He was drafted this year.

1536
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: I figured, you know, Kevin Kendall was drafted this year.

1537
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 2: It's Arizona State.

1538
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 3: Short time.

1539
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 2: I literally left that and didn't give me any notes

1540
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 2: because I figured Mark, our resident draft expert right here,

1541
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 2: would have something.

1542
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: Seventh round if I didn't if I didn't see at

1543
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: the combine, or if you weren't someone who grabbed like

1544
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: my interest originally, I didn't do too much on you.

1545
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 3: All right, Well, and I'll get my notes for it.

1546
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 2: Because he just walked into Saint Lucy and just started

1547
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,959
Speaker 2: hitting eight seventy two ops, one fourty three WRC plus

1548
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 2: eleven percent walks, eighteen percent case Arizona State's powerhouse, that's

1549
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: for sure. I think he didn't have It's not a

1550
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 2: big power bat here. He wasn't really laying the ball

1551
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 2: around the yard and only we want to share his

1552
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: eyes because it was pretty low. But he was a

1553
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 2: college bat who walked in and just played very well.

1554
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 2: And the match don't have any short stops in the

1555
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 2: system whatsoever. So it's really nice to have one that's

1556
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 2: a competent defender and has good play discipline. There's a

1557
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: good there's a win for the organization. I think we're

1558
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: gonna hear about Kevin Kendall next year in Brooklyn, all right,

1559
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 2: Kevin Kendall's that's a baseball name too. Yeah, definitely, now

1560
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 2: baseball name, the big time baseball name. I'm gonna close

1561
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 2: this out with three very young men yeah, very young people.

1562
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 3: I like these names too. Sixteen year old and two

1563
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 3: seventeen year olds.

1564
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: Here we have Francis da Leon, Diego Mosquerra, and Hector.

1565
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: Right wait, I'm sorry, did you say a sixteen year old?

1566
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 2: Yes, he's born in two thousand and five. Oh, maybe

1567
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: they're all seventeen. Then two and four.

1568
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 3: I saw two thousand and four birthdays here.

1569
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: That's so crazy.

1570
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 3: Sure, Hector might have been a sixteen.

1571
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 2: Year old, but I think the other two, Leon and

1572
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 2: Mosquerre were both seventeen. These are our three DSL kings

1573
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: at the plate, all of them at WRC plus is

1574
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 2: over one thirty.

1575
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 3: The only three on our team at WRC plus over

1576
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 3: one thirty.

1577
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: It was pretty good. You're thirty percent better than all

1578
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: the best Dominicans of that age in the world. Looking

1579
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 2: for the top guys at this at this lead, so.

1580
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 3: This is it.

1581
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: Mosquerra is a classic, speedy contact shortstop, one to one

1582
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 2: strikeout to walk ratio, highest batting average in the DSL

1583
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: rock that shit. We will not big batting average podcast,

1584
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 2: but if you're the best, I'll take that. And de

1585
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: Leon is the complete opposite, lumbering, power hitting corner outfielder

1586
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 2: who strikes out a ton but just hits the piss

1587
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 2: out of the ball. I like that.

1588
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: I love the dudes who are like these, like super

1589
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: like extremes.

1590
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 2: I like extremes. Okay, well, then you're not gonna like

1591
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: Hector Rodriguez caause he is in the middle.

1592
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 3: He does everything. Well, that's also good.

1593
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: Yes, great, He basically has a one point five to

1594
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: one k the walk ratio. Great at this level. He

1595
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 2: has a good approach of power. He did have some

1596
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: bass hits. He had a high average, high ISO. He

1597
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 2: probably has the highest ceiling because he does everything. But

1598
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 2: de Leon just might be a beast because he's big

1599
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: and he's strong, and Moscira is just probably gonna hit everywhere.

1600
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 2: So if you want to really sound cool with your

1601
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: baseball friends, Mets have three seventeen year olds who are

1602
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: gonna pop in the next few years, probably next year,

1603
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: being Saint Lucy, Francis, de Leon, Diego Musquerra, Hector Rodriguez.

1604
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 2: Those are the boys. Those are the boys.

1605
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye out for them going into the

1606
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two season. That's pretty much it we got

1607
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: for the prospect report.

1608
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: That was that was lengthy.

1609
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 3: I was like you wanted fifteen prospects. I think it

1610
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: gave like eighteen.

1611
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the most in depth you're gonna get

1612
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: with these prospect reports. The season is basically over.

1613
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: Season is over, so there's playing another week.

1614
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not too much left to talk about in

1615
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: the minor league season. And we felt it was a

1616
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: perfect time to do it because two game series that

1617
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: was a complete dog shit against the Red Sox. Let's

1618
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: talk about some prospects and let's get some interest going there.

1619
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 2: Definitely, And we haven't done that many prospect reports lately

1620
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 2: because the Mets have been playing so many games and

1621
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: there's been so many talking points with the team between

1622
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 2: giving the thumbs down, DUIs falling off a cliff, Luis

1623
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: Rojas like the GM sir, we've been talking a lot

1624
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: about the actual major league team. So I wanted to

1625
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: get back to the prospects a little bit because you

1626
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: guys have given some great feedback and.

1627
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 3: We know you like it.

1628
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, glad to give it, Glad to glad to talk

1629
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: prospects any day. And it's a positive note because the

1630
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: beginning not great and this this, this preview of the

1631
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: next series is not great either, because we are gonna.

1632
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you thought we got our kick teeth in

1633
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: by the Boston Red Sox. Be ready to or literally

1634
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: no runs? You said, Keith, They say, Keith kicked in. Yeah, nice,

1635
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: Well Teith kicked in because we're not gonna score any

1636
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: runs and we're also gonna get our ton of runs

1637
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: scored on us because we're going up against the Milwaukee

1638
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: Brewers who were going with Eric Lower in Game one.

1639
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: Who remember when the Brewers traded Trent Grisham to the

1640
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: Padres and that was like a complete wait what Brandon.

1641
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 2: Woodriff got pushed off from Sunday the Monday. Oh fantasy baseball,

1642
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah that's a killer. Oh that sucks. I hate Fantasy

1643
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 2: Baseball playoff because there's such fucking nonsense of pitchers every

1644
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 2: freaking week.

1645
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,919
Speaker 3: I lost last weekcause Joe Ryan got pushed back three days.

1646
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 2: Carls. We're not all these bastards. I hate all these managers,

1647
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 2: all these stupid organizations. Just be transparent. Just tell us,

1648
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 2: just fucking tell us. Oh god damn.

1649
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: But anyway back to what I was say, remember when

1650
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: the Brewers trade away Trent Grisham for Rheas and Eric

1651
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: Lower and everyone's like, are you idiots.

1652
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: And now those guys are playing really good baseball. I'm

1653
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 2: gonna help.

1654
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: Lead their team into the playoffs while Trent Grishams at

1655
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: home watching TV IRNK.

1656
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 2: Grisham's also the very bad Secon and a half, a

1657
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 2: guy who still I think is a very good player. Yes,

1658
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 2: he just might not be that good of a hitter,

1659
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 2: even though he does everything else very well. Yeah, but

1660
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 2: it's also it's hitting is contagious, and when your entire

1661
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 2: team just shits, as we've seen, yes, it's very hard

1662
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 2: for some people to keep it up. Yep.

1663
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: So Eric Lawer, Game one, Game two were going up

1664
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,479
Speaker 1: against Corbyn Burns, who's gonna be the cy Young Award winner,

1665
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: going up against Rich Hill, that's gonna be h You're

1666
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: gonna watch one guy who's explosive, really really good, and

1667
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: then you're gonna watch Rich Hill, who's gonna be fine.

1668
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 2: But put you to sleep on. I'm gonna have a

1669
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 2: ton of fun watching that game. That's gonna be awesome game.

1670
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: It's like so two different pitchers, but it's still like

1671
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 2: two guys who know how to pitch.

1672
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: Yes, oh definitely, Clebron Burns isn't like I throw a hundred,

1673
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: but his stuff is filthy.

1674
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 2: Like I'm sure corben Burns will go, like, shake Rich

1675
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 2: Hill's hand before the game that you're you're one of

1676
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:38,439
Speaker 2: the best.

1677
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 3: To ever do it.

1678
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: That's a respect thing. And then we've got Freddy Pearlton

1679
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: going up against Carlos Crass, which that's a Venezuelan matchup,

1680
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: isn't It's Freddy Venezuelan. Yeah, he's definitely Dominican, He's not Venezuelan.

1681
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 2: All Right.

1682
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 3: You know what, maybe I got it wrong, Maybe I

1683
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 3: got it wrong.

1684
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 2: I was trying.

1685
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: I was trying to connect something here because, uh yeah,

1686
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: Freddy Perwult has been sick this year.

1687
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 2: So again I'm not gonna score any runs again, Mets fans,

1688
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 2: losing here is not the end of the world. Losing

1689
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 2: here means that we might be able to retain two

1690
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 2: first round draft picks and sign Carls Corea. Remember, we're

1691
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 2: rooting for two things right now.

1692
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: We're rooting for we want to see, like, you know,

1693
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: the guys we're gonna be here continue to play well

1694
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: finished this season strong, Brandon Neimo, Francisco Lindor, all those guys.

1695
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: And we want Pete Alonzo to forty home runs.

1696
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 3: He's got thirty six.

1697
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: Milwaukee is a hitters ballpark that is a hitter's paradise. Granted,

1698
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: he's facing some really tough pictures, but he could he

1699
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: could hit a couple and just get a little bit

1700
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: closer to forty because we're we're inching ever so closely.

1701
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: Now let's go to Twitter here. We uh, this is

1702
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: kind of long episode, but let's answer a few questions.

1703
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: Let's see what we've got out there.

1704
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 2: So throwing at me, James, all right, this is my

1705
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 2: boy Warthy Tyler Worthy Worthy NYM. What do you think

1706
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 2: is a bigger priority to start the off season signing

1707
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 2: Marcus Strowman or Hove Bias. I think it's gotta be Stroman.

1708
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 2: I was gonna say.

1709
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: I just feel like the pitching depth is really, really tough,

1710
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: and while Javier Bias has been great and it's been awesome,

1711
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: there is a lot more available at the positions that

1712
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: he plays rather than Marcus Strowman.

1713
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 2: Definitely, I mean maybe there's a lot of depth. Like

1714
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 2: the high end starting pitchers are a little bit scariest offseason. Yeah,

1715
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 2: the best three are is like Zach Grankee, Robbie Red

1716
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 2: Carls were done. I don't trust. I don't trust any

1717
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 2: of them a little bit and still kshaw. Yeah, but

1718
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 2: they're not They're not going to become free agent. So

1719
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 2: Stroman basically becomes the de facto most consistent starting picture

1720
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 2: on the market. But then you're gonna see guys like

1721
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 2: Alex Cobb, Eduilea Rodriguez. There's another one I was looking

1722
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 2: at last night. Now I'm forgetting, but there's some interesting

1723
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 2: names there who are not sexy. So I basically, again,

1724
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 2: cost is gonna be consideration from most thirty million dollars

1725
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 2: hobby by his must twenty three hobby bias come on down.

1726
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: Essentially, who gives us the best deals money?

1727
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 2: I would like to sign both, truly, I don't think

1728
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 2: there's any reason why we shouldn't. But now now I'm

1729
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 2: looking all these questions are basically about the off season. Yeah,

1730
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 2: we'll answer a couple more then, yeah, one more. This

1731
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 2: This is our guy, three rd Oscar. He's a pretty follower.

1732
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 2: He founds all of our stuff, like all of our stuff.

1733
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 2: If the Mets were the clean house and blow up

1734
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 2: our so called core, who would you keep and why?

1735
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's gotta be Pete.

1736
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: Pete San Francisco, staying obviously, yes, Nimo is saying offensively,

1737
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: am I forgetting anybody?

1738
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 3: There's one?

1739
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,439
Speaker 2: Now? Well, now becomes the conversation about the other four

1740
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 2: with McNeil McNeil, dom j D. Conford though, Yeah, and

1741
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I think if Confordo comes back, it's gonna

1742
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 2: only be on a one year deal. I can't imagine

1743
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 2: the Mets goal even slightly long term with him. I

1744
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 2: can see four four four for ninety Do we want to?

1745
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 2: I would? Okay, okay, I mean he's been fine the

1746
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 2: second half. He's been pretty in line with career averages.

1747
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 2: He's still a good, good defensive player in the corner

1748
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 2: ole field. Not good. He's fine. He does that, he

1749
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 2: does his job. I think you might be able to

1750
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 2: get a discount from a guy who, if you would

1751
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:35,959
Speaker 2: have said this a year ago, was getting two hundred

1752
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 2: million dollars. I think he probably still could be that player.

1753
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 2: There's nothing he's done this year to make me think

1754
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 2: that he's like one of the worst players in baseball.

1755
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 2: That's fair, So Mets fans really hate him. But like

1756
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 2: if you just like take a season in strokes, if

1757
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 2: you basically look at one, it looks like he probably

1758
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 2: got healthy.

1759
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: I do just want to like make a funny point here,

1760
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: because the narrative with Conforto's always that he just shows

1761
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: up when it doesn't matter, and he's had a great

1762
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: second half of the Mets have been out of it,

1763
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: that's true, but also be in the hamstring injury, the

1764
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: rush back from yes definite, and the same thing. McNeil like,

1765
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: I would be fine with those two guys being on

1766
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: the team next year, but I don't think you can

1767
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: be in a situation where you're guaranteeing Jeff McNeil six

1768
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: hundred play appearances like similar leads.

1769
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 3: I'll say this again, say it over and over again.

1770
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 2: Some of the guys like Chris Taylor and Jay Cronoworth,

1771
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 2: he'll find his way to five hundred.

1772
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 3: Joey Wendell, Joey Wendle.

1773
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 2: Because things happen over the course of the season, everyone's

1774
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 2: gonna get hurt. We've seen it this year. Almost every

1775
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 2: guy in this team has spent at least some time

1776
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 2: in the IEL except for Dom Smith somehow.

1777
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was playing left field. There's not like he

1778
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: doesn't run too much out there.

1779
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 2: But like, even though Jeff McNeil's not have will may

1780
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: not have an obvious place to play an opening day.

1781
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 2: He will play a lot. I watcheff neil play a lot.

1782
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 2: He's a very good player, and he's much better and

1783
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:38,919
Speaker 2: he's played this season. But we can't be like Jeff

1784
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 2: McNeil is going to be our everyday left fielder and

1785
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 2: two hither.

1786
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: Just isn't just isn't a piece to build around right now.

1787
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: He is an ancillary part of this team.

1788
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's fine. He's a great player.

1789
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: And then I guess on the pitching side, we does

1790
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: that consider our core?

1791
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 2: I mean, we kind of know who's who's gonna stay, but.

1792
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: I hope these guys stay. Yeah, it's not up to

1793
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: us now, It's not really up to us on that one.

1794
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 2: Let's see one more question. Oh this, well, this is

1795
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 2: just classic trades sweather right here. If you guys want

1796
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 2: to hear what, you shouldn't ask us, all right, So

1797
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 2: let's see, let's end it on this one. Then let's

1798
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 2: end it on a real bad one. I've never seen

1799
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 2: you tweetl us like I invest up before Jack Leather

1800
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 2: ninety eight. I'm sure you're a nice kid, but you'd

1801
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 2: think maybe the Mesha trade for someone like Sandy Alkantar

1802
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 2: or Corbyn Burns. Oh my god, I'm so tired of

1803
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 2: that. That is just simply I don't know why Sandy Aalgatar's

1804
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: name has come up in so many trade discussions over.

1805
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 3: The last week.

1806
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,439
Speaker 2: When I stream, there's always a met fan who comes

1807
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 2: in as, like, what what do we give it for

1808
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 2: Sandy Alkantari? So you want to know what?

1809
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: You give up nothing, because it's not happening. If if

1810
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: they if for some reason the Marlins word had just

1811
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: become stupid all of a sudden, which it doesn't seem

1812
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: like they're going to be a stupid organization by any

1813
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: means anymore, they would trade him out of the division.

1814
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 2: At worst, if you want Sandy al Kintaro, you have

1815
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: to give up Francisco over as minimum, yeah, like and

1816
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 2: then more and then probably also Mark Vanto's and also

1817
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 2: like J. C. Ginnon, also probably Jose bu Though, like

1818
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 2: Sandy Alkantar is an ace, he's saneal Gatar is one

1819
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 2: of the fifteen best pitchers in baseball, and he's free,

1820
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 2: he's cost nothing, and he's gonna be there for one

1821
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 2: another three years. First year is arbitration eligible, so he'll

1822
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 2: get like a race to like six bion. There is

1823
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 2: nothing that could ever persuade the Marlins to trade Santial Katar.

1824
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 2: He was traded for Marcelo Zuna when he was a

1825
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 2: minor leaguer. This guy has incredible pedigreens, probably also Corbyn Burns. Man.

1826
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 2: Corbyn Burns is having statistically one of the best seasons

1827
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 2: in Major League.

1828
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 3: History for a free agents twenty twenty five.

1829
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 2: His FIP is one point six. That is one of

1830
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 2: the lowest phips literally in the history of baseball.

1831
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: Do you want to know what the Mets would have

1832
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: to trade. The Mets would have to give up out.

1833
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: They would have to sell the team. I think to

1834
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: get Corbyn Burns, Steve Cohen would have to also buy

1835
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: the Brewers and then make that trade happen. As like

1836
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of sabotage, like.

1837
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 3: Half of a billion dollars.

1838
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 2: It's just not gonna have to buy corn Burns like

1839
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 2: this would be like a soccer loan.

1840
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 3: You are getting.

1841
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: Elite performance out of Corbyn Burns and it's not gonna

1842
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: slow down anytime soon. This guy is legit as it comes,

1843
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: and he is going to be five hundred thousand dollars

1844
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: for the next two years.

1845
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 2: If you're looking at trade chips for the offseason, you

1846
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 2: have to look at guys like Antonio Senzatela. John means,

1847
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 2: who's some pitchers on bad teams here, like who have

1848
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 2: not that much control or arbitrational.

1849
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I need to come up if you really

1850
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 3: want one.

1851
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 2: Who's gonna be a fun trade chip this offseason? Tyler Glass?

1852
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 2: Now Zack Gallen is he available, He could be available,

1853
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 2: but they love him. They trade jazz for him. That's true.

1854
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 2: They have like Merril Kelly is more of the trade

1855
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 2: pitching trade speed. Like again, like u Darvish was traded

1856
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 2: because he made almost thirty million dollars and he's thirty

1857
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 2: six years old and now he's turned out to be

1858
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: pretty bad. A trade that said people said broke major

1859
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 2: League Baseball. Same with Blake Snell. Like when you're trading

1860
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 2: for pitchers, You're never ever gonna trade for top of

1861
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: the line pitchers. It's never gonna happen unless you're trading

1862
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 2: everything to get these guys, or unless they're due for

1863
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 2: a massive race.

1864
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: Look at what Jose Burrios got in the trade.

1865
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 3: Literally he grabbed.

1866
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 2: They grabbed two top fifty prospects, like and Jose Burrios is.

1867
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 2: While he's good, no one would tell you he's one

1868
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 2: of the ten best pitchers in baseball. And you'd be

1869
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 2: foolish to say that. I'd be ridiculous.

1870
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 3: I don't even know if you go top twenty with him.

1871
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 3: I feel like that's still even.

1872
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 2: In top twenty, like you, I'll hear an argument for that,

1873
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 2: especially based on like how he's pitched with the Blue

1874
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 2: Jays now, incredible pitching development that they seem to have

1875
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 2: done the last couple of years. Try Stephen Madison too,

1876
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 2: one of the best pitchers.

1877
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: Long story short, uh not trading for Sandial Kintara. And

1878
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 1: there is just literally there's no world where we get

1879
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: Corden Burds.

1880
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 3: It doesn't exist.

1881
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 2: There's a better chance of a terodactyl swooping in through

1882
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 2: the sun roof right here. It's stealing Mark than eating

1883
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 2: him than the Mets training. The Corden Bird's ever getting

1884
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 2: traded playing for a different team before its last year

1885
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 2: of arbitration. There's no chance, no way, no way, And

1886
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 2: I'm sorry the flame you Jack Leather ninety eight JJ

1887
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 2: Joseph jj O two. But come on, man, gotta be

1888
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 2: better than hopefully. Hopefully you're a young kid who's falling

1889
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 2: in love with baseball and your time. You're trying to learn.

1890
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 2: Keep listening. We love we love talking about it. Again,

1891
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 2: it's just those guys aren't going to be traded and listen.

1892
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 3: That's part of the reason why we want to help

1893
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 3: you guys out too a little bit.

1894
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 2: Here. We help educate, we.

1895
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 1: Help learn, We help teach you the things so that

1896
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: you don't go into conversations and say things like.

1897
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 3: Hey, the met's top about Corbyn Burns this offseason. And again,

1898
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 3: it's very fun when.

1899
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 2: You're playing MLB the show to just trade all your

1900
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 2: prospects for Corbin Burns, because you can do it. But

1901
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,839
Speaker 2: it's just it's very different in like actual midjor league baseball.

1902
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, because boy, if we did get Corbin Burns sets,

1903
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: that's a lot of fun.

1904
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 2: Jack.

1905
01:09:58,160 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 3: I want to give you credit.

1906
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 2: You had credible punctuation in this tweet, like everything was right,

1907
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 2: could good capitalizations, like everything was really good. It's just

1908
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 2: Corden Burt and Sandy al Katara are not going to

1909
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 2: be you.

1910
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: You picked some of the most untouchable players.

1911
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 2: In the league literally like to probably like every year,

1912
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 2: just every year, Fangrafts ranked their top fifty most valuable

1913
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 2: players in all baseball in terms of a trade, and

1914
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 2: these two were literally both in the top twenty. I

1915
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 2: don't see if they may have both been in the

1916
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 2: top ten because d they write it every year comes

1917
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 2: out during the All Star break.

1918
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 3: So this is before Sandy went bonkers in the second.

1919
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:30,600
Speaker 2: Half, and he was still Yes, he was still in

1920
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 2: the top twenty because it's so cheap and so reliable,

1921
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 2: throw so many innings, has so much potential. So again,

1922
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 2: that's a great place to also learn. Go to fangraphs

1923
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 2: and just read some of the articles. Understand the way

1924
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 2: that people who have worked in baseball or who are

1925
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 2: hoping to work in baseball think and interpret some things

1926
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:44,719
Speaker 2: like this.

1927
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 1: And make sure you watch the game this weekend too,

1928
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 1: so you can watch Corbin Burns and you can understand

1929
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: why he will not be.

1930
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 2: Trade literally having one of the best seasons in the

1931
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 2: history of baseball.

1932
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: I would love him though, if that was somehow possible.

1933
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 2: It's just not.

1934
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: And I think that's the perfect time to wrap up

1935
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: this episode, where it's a lengthy one, which I didn't

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Speaker 1: expect the Mets are out of the season, but we

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Speaker 1: got a lot of good info in this one, so

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys did enjoy it. I hope you

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Speaker 1: liked a little more in depth talk. I hope you

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Speaker 1: liked hearing about the prospects. Make sure you guys are

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Speaker 1: following us on Twitter and Instagram, as well as TikTok app,

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Speaker 1: drop us a rating and review. It really does help

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Speaker 1: us out. Drop A James the follow on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Jeter had no range, made draftneck mark with a C.

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Speaker 1: That's where we're wrapping it up here, episode number fifty

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Speaker 1: two of the Mets Up Podcast. We will catch you

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Speaker 1: guys after this Milwaukee Brewers series. Thank you for listening,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for watching.

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Speaker 2: Peace Out, peace out, guys, See you next time.