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Speaker 1: How are we doing? Hopefully everyone's having a good week.

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Speaker 1: let it fly, and I appreciate that. It's all I

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Speaker 1: want out of my former coaches or players that are

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Speaker 1: talking heads. Just talk like you would normally talk, because

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Speaker 1: that's the good stuff. And other than that, let's rock

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Speaker 1: and roll. So we had a show on the Reaction

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Speaker 1: Like Jerry does whatever he wants, he speaks whenever he wants,

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Speaker 1: the talking into a mic, whether it's on TV, whether

428
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Speaker 1: it's in radio, whether it's in podcast, YouTube, you name it.

429
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Speaker 1: Just give me what you really think. Because I've been

430
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Speaker 1: around enough of these guys. We're all human beings. How

431
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Speaker 1: do we all talk when we're just sitting in the

432
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Speaker 1: backyard with a couple buddies with beers, Like it's just

433
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Speaker 1: a real, raw conversation. It's no different when coaches are

434
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Speaker 1: talking to their buddy about players or other coaches or

435
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 1: other personnel moves. It's raw and real. And then you

436
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: get so many guys that go on TV you're like,

437
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: this is such did not say anything, and Belichick, who

438
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: historically said nothing, is really He was on McAfee on Monday,

439
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: as he is every week, and was asked about the

440
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Speaker 1: Giants and what he's been crushing the Jets, which is

441
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Speaker 1: probably easy because he's kind of been doing that for

442
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Speaker 1: years anyway, So I don't give him too much credit

443
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Speaker 1: on that one. That's kind of been his like shtick

444
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: over the years is hating the Jets, but everyone else

445
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: like the Giants organization clearly means a lot to him.

446
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: Won a couple of Super Bowls there, did a thirty

447
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: for thirty there with Bill Parcells, and just take a

448
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: listen to him on just the Saquon situation and his thoughts.

449
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Speaker 3: The Giants thing. I don't really understand. He was their

450
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 3: best player. You know, for a couple of million dollars more,

451
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Speaker 3: they could have kept him, I guess, you know, instead

452
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Speaker 3: they got a guard or somebody.

453
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

454
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Speaker 4: If the offensive line doesn't look very good.

455
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Speaker 3: I mean that look that they're playing. They're playing a

456
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Speaker 3: guy at left tackle who shouldn't be playing left tackle.

457
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Speaker 3: Evan Neil is drafted in the first round. He doesn't play.

458
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 3: You know, they have some uf A guards that are

459
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Speaker 3: pretty suspect. It's it's a tough line, and honestly I

460
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 3: thought that you know, the quarterback.

461
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Speaker 4: Is is trying to hang in there.

462
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Speaker 3: It's just it's been tough sledding.

463
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Speaker 4: Gluck Giants fans, Pluck Giants fans.

464
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Speaker 3: This would be a big one for him this week

465
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Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh, right they played Pittsburgh coming up Monday night,

466
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Speaker 3: right right.

467
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Speaker 1: So I mean I think what's cool there is just

468
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Speaker 1: his his just disinterest on even giving any credit to

469
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Speaker 1: any of these like how big of a joke? Like

470
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Speaker 1: he looks at these others like UFS an undrafted free agent,

471
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: like the guard you are playing is like a widget

472
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: and it's a worthless widget. And that's how coaches talk.

473
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Speaker 1: And I honestly never thought we would get that and listen,

474
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Speaker 1: like we can argue till we're blue in the face.

475
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: Should they have signed Saquan? Should we not have? We saw,

476
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: we literally saw the owner of the team saying, this

477
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: is not a great idea, and I don't want him

478
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Speaker 1: to go to Philly. That's what he said to the GM.

479
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Speaker 1: So it's like typically we're just giving our opinions and

480
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: we argue about it, like we can argue till we're

481
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Speaker 1: blue in the face. We saw what it looked like

482
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Speaker 1: from within the building. It was unprecedented access and the

483
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 1: owner wasn't just uncomfortable. He said he couldn't sleep if

484
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Speaker 1: he went to the Eagles. Then the fucking guy goes

485
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Speaker 1: to the Eagles. He rushes for a buck seventy five,

486
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Speaker 1: He gets caught on camera that they're like, hey, I

487
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: think it was Sirianni went over to him, was like, hey,

488
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: you're thirteen yards short of your career high. He's like,

489
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Speaker 1: I'm cool, man. Let the other dudes eat literally what

490
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 1: he said. So it's like Saquon gets double the credit.

491
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: And I just think that these are the tight moments

492
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Speaker 1: when you got Belichick who is just taking shot after

493
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: shot at the general manager. And I don't know, I mean,

494
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Speaker 1: I think I think the hard part about these moves

495
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: if you're an owner, like what are you gonna do?

496
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: Fire the GM, keep day Ball, bring in a new GM,

497
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: and force Dable on him. It just gets really out

498
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: of whack really quick. So if you don't get fired

499
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 1: Monday morning after that game, maybe you wonder if it's

500
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Speaker 1: in the back of his head he's gonna do it

501
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: when the season ends, when this team does not win

502
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: many games. But all I hope is that Belichick just

503
00:27:49,440 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: keeps you know, firing takes Okay, very very excited. I've

504
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: been seeing this guy on my social media feeds and

505
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: my YouTube algorithm for a while now. Josh Pate a

506
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: fellow Bald brother. He has a big YouTube show. Josh

507
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: Pate College Football Show. You can find it on YouTube,

508
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: go subscribe. And this guy living in the South at

509
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: games every single week, firing off his opinions on everything

510
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: that's going on, not just in the SEC, but in

511
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: college football at large. Very very excited. We try to go.

512
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: We do a little thing called Cough on campus every

513
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: single week and for Wednesday show obviously college football. I'm

514
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: sure you saw some of the ratings numbers. I mean,

515
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: it's it's never been more popular. And coming from a

516
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: West Coast guy, you know, the South with Sabin and

517
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: Dabbo and Kirby, it felt very regionalized. Now you know

518
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: the transfer portal, let's face it, it's kind of turned

519
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: it in with the twelve team playoff, a little NFL

520
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: field works. It's like, how many teams have a legit

521
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: chance this year? Your college football guy? Has Has it

522
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: ever been more intriguing in terms of like, oh, Miami

523
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: or Florida State or Alabama is just a lock to win.

524
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like that at all, right now, does it?

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00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: Yeah? And I'm almost a little detached. I appreciate you

526
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 4: having me on, John, I'm almost a little detached in

527
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 4: theory as to why that is. I know it's very

528
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 4: common to say, look what the twelve team playoff has

529
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Speaker 4: done to college football. I look at it, and that

530
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Speaker 4: has a contributing factor to it. But if I still

531
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Speaker 4: had a four team playoff, if I still had the

532
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Speaker 4: BCS right now, and I removed Saban and I injected

533
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Speaker 4: Portal and I injected nil, those elements, even if we

534
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Speaker 4: were having a four team or a two team field

535
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Speaker 4: this year would still have a lot of teams in

536
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Speaker 4: it because we're I mean, it's not Halloween yet and

537
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: already every big time player has a loss. And then

538
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 4: you've also got that seven vibe of having some random

539
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 4: teams like Indiana and Brigham Young and Iowa State in

540
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Speaker 4: the mix. So I also wonder, here's what I wonder

541
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Speaker 4: as we dive into this, is this the new normal?

542
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 4: Or is this still the big boys trying to figure

543
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 4: out and calibrate how they tilt the seesaw back in

544
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Speaker 4: their favor. And you can either take that to mean

545
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 4: a few big boy programs or just a couple of

546
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 4: big boy conferences. I'm in Nashville, as you know, and

547
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 4: they kind of had a little summit here the big

548
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 4: ten in the SEC last week to talk about the

549
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 4: state of play in college athletics. So I don't know

550
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 4: where this is going. I just we may be circling

551
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 4: the funnel or we may be taking off. I'm just

552
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 4: enjoying it as it is right now.

553
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Speaker 1: Well, where I think, you know, college football has obviously

554
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: always been a big sport, but where I think the

555
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: transfer portal has benefited is last night Monday night football.

556
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Speaker 1: For example, the Chargers, who are three and two, play

557
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: in Arizona, who most people think, you know, aren't that good,

558
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: and then you're watching the game and either team can win.

559
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: And for a long time, I think during the Saban

560
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: dynasty specifically, there were a couple other teams. Georgia came

561
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Speaker 1: at the end, Dabbo in the middle, but it was

562
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Speaker 1: two or three teams and you were you were, I mean,

563
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: your jaw hit the floor when they lost. Now, it's

564
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: just not to me. And I think Kirby, and I

565
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: know you've talked to him over the years, he had

566
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Speaker 1: a comment, I don't know if it was at a

567
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: press conference or in an interview earlier this year that like,

568
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Speaker 1: you know, the big difference is my roster's just not

569
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: as deep, And I think that speaks to Obviously, the

570
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: top teams are gonna be the top teams like Ohio State, Georgia.

571
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: In theory, USC should be good, Texas, right, Alabama, LSU,

572
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Speaker 1: but they're not gonna be two three deep as like geez,

573
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: you should see these guys coming up because that guy

574
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: might transfer. So I think that's what benefited just as

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Speaker 1: a football lover. That has made this year and I

576
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Speaker 1: think moving forward because the transfer portal obviously has had

577
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: major ripple effects positive negatively, but I actually think it's been.

578
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Speaker 4: Cool that way. That's the big differentiator, and that's why

579
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 4: I say it's not so much the expanded size of

580
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 4: the playoff field. That's the end result. That's like the

581
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 4: north Star everyone's looking towards. But I was there. I

582
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Speaker 4: was in Athens in like February and we had on

583
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Speaker 4: the show, but I probably sat down with him for

584
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Speaker 4: like an hour an hour and a half and just

585
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 4: talked shot before that, and one of the things he

586
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 4: was talking about that I ended up asking, are you

587
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 4: okay to say this on camera? He said, yeah, we'll

588
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 4: talk about it. He said, I'm not losing my starters

589
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 4: like I'm Georgia. I'm not gonna lose my starters. What

590
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 4: I'm losing is my twos because someone out there is

591
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 4: willing to pay one and a quarter for my backup

592
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Speaker 4: left guard, and that's just not a price point I'm

593
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 4: going to hit because they are not worth that at

594
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 4: that point in their careers. So when I have injuries

595
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 4: and they've had them already. Tate Ratleige maybe their best

596
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 4: offensive line and he went down for a portion of

597
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 4: this year, you are looking at Georgia or Texas or

598
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 4: Alabama like the cream of the crop. You're looking at

599
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 4: them going from a one to a three instead of

600
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Speaker 4: from a one to a two depth wise relative to

601
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Speaker 4: what it used to be like. So that had already

602
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 4: started to happen. You were talking about Saban at Alabama

603
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: in the ventage Saban years, you could have honestly, I

604
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 4: would have loved to see this alternate scenario play out.

605
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 4: Have Bama's backups just take the field as a team,

606
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Speaker 4: They're probably a top ten, top fifteen team in any

607
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 4: given year, quarterback included. Well, then it started to wane

608
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 4: a little bit because the portal started to bite Bama

609
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 4: on the back up front, and Saban realized that and

610
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 4: he decided this is not for me. Anymore.

611
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: Now.

612
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Speaker 4: Kirby's like late forties, so he's not going to decide

613
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 4: that it doesn't feel like I think as history goes on,

614
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: or as time goes on and we look back historically

615
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 4: at that Saban run, how wild is it that Davos

616
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Speaker 4: Sweeney took a program that had never been It's not

617
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 4: like someone resurrected Texas. He took Clemson that had never

618
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 4: been a true powerhouse and built them up right smagdab

619
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Speaker 4: in the middle of the Saban Alabama dynasty to be

620
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 4: able to match them and then beat them twice for

621
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Speaker 4: national titles with no discernible advantages baked in at Clemson.

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Speaker 4: That right there, like in time, is going to be

623
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Speaker 4: a wild chapter of college football.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he benefited? Georgia at the time wasn't

625
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: what George is now. Some of the Florida schools were down,

626
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: and obviously his rosters. You know, you look at the NFL,

627
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: I mean it was stacked with elite players at all

628
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: at all positions, a lot like Saban's team right on

629
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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, skill guys, quarterback that it was

630
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: kind of a unique scenario for him, though you're watching

631
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: his team now I know they're not playing anybody after Georgia. Like,

632
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: he's still gonna have a really, really good program. He's

633
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: just in this unique area right where he just refuses

634
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: to do transfer portal or could we have Like one

635
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: thing I want to ask is like Florida, for example,

636
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh, it's is Lane gonna go there? Could

637
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: they go steal signetti? Do you think the jobs obviously

638
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: a Bama or an LSU or Texas is always going

639
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: to be an incredible job. But some of these jobs

640
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: now that haven't really Like Florida hasn't been good for

641
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: a while. You know, Nebraska is an example, hasn't been

642
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: really good. I'm talking like, you know top five. Do

643
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: you think that's changed? Like is Florida a great job? Like?

644
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: Are these jobs with the portal and everything? Does Lane

645
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: need to leave? And we get into Lane a little

646
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: bit later, But I'm just using that as an example.

647
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: He's getting ten million dollars, he has a huge nil

648
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: fund to go buy players. What is the difference in

649
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four where there it was a clear one.

650
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: You know when we were like in college or kids,

651
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: like it was obvious you would go there. I wonder

652
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: if that's the case anymore with the non top five

653
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: six lock you know, been every good every year for

654
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 1: our entire life.

655
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 4: You're gonna get a lot of debate on this. I

656
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 4: know because I talk to as many people in the

657
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 4: industry as I can on this. I disagree with a

658
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 4: lot of them. So my answer is, yes, Florida is

659
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 4: a discernibly better job than all mess. But it all

660
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 4: depends on what you value. They're not going to pay

661
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 4: you way, way, way above and beyond what you can

662
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 4: get it all mess, So if it's about the bottom

663
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 4: line of your salary, no, it does not make sense

664
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Speaker 4: for someone like Lane Kiffen to leave. Here's what I know.

665
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 4: Florida's problem is what Tennessee's problem was. It's not that

666
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 4: they lack anything. It's not that the sport has left

667
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 4: them behind. There is nothing that you cannot accomplish at

668
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 4: Florida today that the big boys can't accomplish. Just like

669
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 4: for a long time, people fool themselves into thinking the

670
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 4: sport has left Tennessee behind. It's passed them by. It hadn't.

671
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 4: They just sucked at making hires. And if you make

672
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 4: tour three bad hires in a row, you've lost a generation.

673
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 4: You get kids to get in high school that have

674
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 4: not known you being a winning program. Here's what I

675
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 4: do know. Florida Post Urban Meyer had allowed themselves to

676
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 4: sink into a little bit of a complacency rut where

677
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 4: they were convinced the logo and the helmet was what won,

678
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 4: and it wasn't. And they got so antiquated in their

679
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 4: organizational structure everything from facilities to operations. They did not

680
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 4: match the big boys over the past few years. I

681
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 4: can't sit here and tell you they've made the right higher.

682
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 4: I have no clue what's going to happen when aape

683
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 4: you're maybe he's there and maybe he's gone. It is

684
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 4: so night and day different down there from a behind

685
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 4: the curtain standpoint. So if you care about being able

686
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 4: to hire your army, there is actually no place in

687
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 4: America that's doing that to a better degree than Florida

688
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 4: right now. Which boggles someone's mind listening to this because

689
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 4: you think, well, it must not be doing any good.

690
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,479
Speaker 4: They're not winning. That just is indicative of the hire

691
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 4: that they've made, or the hires that they've made. Almost

692
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 4: to the point, John, where I've talked to some folks

693
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 4: in the representation world. I've talked to a couple of

694
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 4: coaches who kind of gauge, like, what's Florida like? Because

695
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 4: I get to go see all these places. I actually

696
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 4: get to see the hood. They have such a good

697
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 4: infrastructure down there from a personnel, recruiting, strength and nutrition,

698
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 4: sports science standpoint, I almost think it may be wise

699
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 4: if let's say there's a change down there for whoever

700
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 4: takes that job, to do a little bit deeper assessment

701
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 4: internally of who they have. So normally it's you come in,

702
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 4: you clean the entire thing, and you bring in your people,

703
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 4: who they got some really world class people down there

704
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 4: that you wouldn't know the names of, per se because

705
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 4: they gave Napier a blank check to go get the

706
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 4: best of the best, and in many ways he did that.

707
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 4: And so if that's what you care about, and if

708
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 4: you do care about your brand meaning a little bit

709
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 4: more in recruiting, and it does mean a little bit

710
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 4: more than old miss, if you care about being able

711
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 4: to leverage recruiting in the state of Florida, which for

712
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 4: obvious reasons they can. I still think it's a better job.

713
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 4: It's not going to be a better job in your

714
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 4: raw salary dollars and cents mode. But I think it

715
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 4: is a better job because of the four or five

716
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 4: added layers that I think going go into making up

717
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 4: a job and its value.

718
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's start with the game you were at,

719
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: and let's start on the Bama side. I'm a Debor truther,

720
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, as a Frozen State guy. Now I've been

721
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: following his career for a little while, and I'm taking

722
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: a lot of heat. Now, obviously the Vanderbilt game might

723
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: be a once in a lifetime. It turns out Vanderbilt's

724
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: not bad, right, So, but you know, you lose a

725
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: couple games in Alabama. I think I heard you say

726
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: on a show. It's the first time they've had two

727
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: losses at this point in time since like Saban's first year.

728
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: So it's it's pretty jarring for that fan base. I

729
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: just believe in the guy. Look at his record, he's

730
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. Watching that game, I mean, they're riding

731
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: a seventeen year old wide receiver force feeding in the

732
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: ball like he's Jerry Rice in his prime. It's pretty

733
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: crazy for a program. Obviously they've had great true freshmen,

734
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: but how much his offense from a passing game standpoint,

735
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: like he has to rely on that quarterback to kind

736
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: of ride him like an NFL team would. Right, he

737
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: did it with Panix, he did it with hain Or.

738
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: That's kind of how he plays. And Jalen who was

739
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: incredible in that first half against Georgia. You know, even

740
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: the Bandy game wasn't his fault, but these last couple

741
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: of weeks it's it's and definitely against Tennessee. What's the

742
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 1: vibe down in kind of that area are people because

743
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: sometimes when you get, you know, an outsider to the South.

744
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: I remember someone told me this an outsider to the South.

745
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: Even if they're good, if it doesn't go well early,

746
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: it could kind of snowball the negativity and there's no

747
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: blocking that avalanche from coming. Is this year? Like, can

748
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: he afford to go eight and four and still have

749
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: a great career? Is it really hard? You got to

750
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: dig yourself.

751
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 4: Out of a hole? Uh, you're right about how the

752
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 4: South treats newcomers. I am a Southerner. I know because

753
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 4: I've watched it my whole life. It's stupid. Some of

754
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 4: the stupidest things you'll see are Southerners thinking they invented

755
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 4: college football, and I grew up down here. And I'm

756
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 4: not throwing my fellow man under the bus. I'm saying

757
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 4: I want Urban Meyer come in here and dominate. Having

758
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 4: never set foot in the South, I saw Nick Saban

759
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 4: come in here and dominate. And the talk, although no

760
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 4: one will admit it, the talk at the time was, way,

761
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 4: did the SEC shows these boys what real ball's about? Well,

762
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 4: they showed you what real ball was about. So obviously

763
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 4: the determining factor is not the pinpoint on the map

764
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 4: as to where you were born. The same things win

765
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 4: that have always won. And that goes for whether you're

766
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 4: born in sus Saint Marie, Michigan, or Valdosta, Georgia. De

767
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 4: Boor is a stud. Deboor is one of the best

768
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 4: in the game. Unequivocally, he's the right guy for the job.

769
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 4: Unequivocally he'll win there. They are not good right now.

770
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 4: And I'll tell you a couple of things you mentioned Milroe.

771
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 4: I'll put this as delicately as possible. I don't think

772
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 4: that offensive staff called up twenty design throws to Ryan

773
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 4: Williams in a game. I'll put that that way. I'll

774
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 4: go back to the Georgia game. You watch Georgia. Once

775
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 4: they figured out that perimeter run and how to shut

776
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 4: that down, Vama did virtually nothing offensively the rest of

777
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 4: that game. They just built a big enough lead that

778
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 4: they could hold on with it, and Ryan Williams made

779
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 4: a superman cash down the sideline. They are a very

780
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 4: flawed team right now. They lacked the toughness both mentally

781
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 4: and physically that vintage Saban teams had had. Sabans ladder

782
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 4: teams lacked that. Saban's ladder teams were very prone to

783
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 4: being penalized, and so you're seeing a lot of carry

784
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 4: over here. Sabans ladder teams didn't have the elite depth

785
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 4: that we were talking about just a second ago. So

786
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 4: I'll tell you another factor that's seeped into college football

787
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,479
Speaker 4: right now, and you're going to see it with any

788
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 4: new hire. Your biggest risk when you take over a program,

789
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 4: especially in January, especially with a loaded roster like Debor did,

790
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 4: is you can't lose a critical mass of your guys,

791
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 4: and the portal's wide open, and the current structure of

792
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 4: the sport is everyone gets to poach your roster, but

793
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 4: you don't get to retaliate because there's that thirty day window.

794
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 4: So they were having to do whatever it took to

795
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 4: keep the roster together, and they did a pretty good

796
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 4: job of it. So then you go into spring John

797
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 4: and everyone's figuring you out as a staff and you're

798
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 4: figuring your roster out. But all the way, Wow, you know,

799
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 4: he knew. I have that post spring portal window coming up.

800
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 4: I've got to make sure my roster doesn't get rated.

801
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 4: I've got to have a team for this fall. And

802
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 4: so you're gonna have to pardon guys if they don't

803
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 4: run a militaristic spring camp and run people off, or

804
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 4: run the risk of running people off. Because as as

805
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 4: much as the old school guys would say, well, you

806
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 4: know what, you got to be tough, and if you're

807
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 4: not tough, you're not cut out for this program, in

808
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 4: the new age, you can go in there and be

809
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,959
Speaker 4: bear Brian if you want to. Well, then you drag

810
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 4: a limp carcass of a roster into the fall and

811
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 4: you go seven to five and you don't get rewarded

812
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 4: for running a tough spring camp at that point. So

813
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 4: what I'm trying to say is, I think a year

814
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 4: from now and two years from now, I'll feel a

815
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 4: whole lot more comfortable that I'm seeing the Kaitlin Deboor

816
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 4: Alabama than I am right now. Right now, it's like

817
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 4: they're rebuilding the plane and they're at twenty five thousand feet.

818
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 4: That's kind of the way it feels to me when

819
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 4: I watch them.

820
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: How about Tennessee. Obviously the hype on the quarterback, you know,

821
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: it's been a little rocky, and he has an offensive coach.

822
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: But defensively, you know, they won the game. That's really

823
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: all that matters. What was your big takeaway from them

824
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: in terms of the big picture on the season? Can

825
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: they win the SEC? Can they compete to win a

826
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: national championship? Are they good enough on offense?

827
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 4: They can be, They're not right now, they can be.

828
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 4: The The thing about them is their defense has bought

829
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 4: them time. And that's not something I think most people

830
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 4: thought they would say about Tennessee. But I was up

831
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 4: there in spring as well. I got through around to

832
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 4: as many places as I could. And when you're in

833
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 4: the building up there and you're Josh Haipel, Tennessee, Niko

834
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 4: i am Aliov all these receivers they got, you expect people

835
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 4: to be talking offense. Offense offense, and all they wanted

836
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 4: to talk about was defense. And I don't mean on

837
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 4: the record, I mean off the record too, like they

838
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 4: were adamant we are as underrated as it can be defensively.

839
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 4: This staff is an underrated defensive staff. And now Tim

840
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 4: Banks coordinator, like here they are. I mean they're winning games.

841
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 4: They've won games, and if they haven't, they've kept their

842
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 4: team in games to give them a shot to win.

843
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 4: To the point where if you've got the kind of

844
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 4: raw talent at the quarterback position that Niko Ayamli is,

845
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 4: you and I have watched college football long enough to

846
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 4: know inevitably every October or early November, some team it's

847
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 4: like their rubber band has been pulled back all year

848
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 4: and then it finally gets let go, and you see

849
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 4: like the pop moment, and you find yourself around Thanksgiving

850
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 4: looking at a team that's red hot, and you're saying, dude,

851
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 4: you remember a month ago this team felt dead in

852
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 4: the water. Well, Tennessee has been. They got shut out

853
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 4: in the Bama game in the first half. They've been

854
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 4: shut out three consecutive weeks in the first half. But

855
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 4: then they started to hit some explosives in the second half,

856
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 4: not a ton of them. They didn't need to hit

857
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 4: a ton of them. But if they get hot enough,

858
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 4: they got a dominant tailback, they've got a quarterback that

859
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 4: may be emerging. They've got a defense they can win with.

860
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 4: It's the kind of a recipe in a year where

861
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 4: there are no elite teams where they could probably afford

862
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 4: to lose another game and still be a playoff team,

863
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 4: I would imagine. So I'm not writing Tennessee off. Dude,

864
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 4: I've not even written Bama off, and they look horrible

865
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 4: right now, so I'm definitely not righting Tennessee off in

866
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 4: this equation.

867
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: Wouldn't LSU fall under that category? I mean, after Week

868
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: one we're like, oh, we're out up, Brian Kelly, and

869
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: now it's like, oh, their defense is kind of coming on.

870
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: You know, their quarterback, their offensive weapons, we know they

871
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: got a NFL offensive lineman. This coach has a long

872
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: resume of winning. It's like, keep an eye on LSU.

873
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 4: It's the biggest wildcard team in college football right now.

874
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 4: So Brian Kelly. However, we could do a whole show

875
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 4: on how the staff was put together, but that staff

876
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 4: got totally overhauled. Southern cal number two and LSU number

877
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 4: one were the teams that I thought did the best

878
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 4: job of totally overhauling and upgrading a side of the

879
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 4: ball staff wise in the spring. So I mean Brian Kelly,

880
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 4: to his credit, and the powers that be down there,

881
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 4: they looked at Missouri, they said, there's no way Missouri

882
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 4: should better than us on that side of the ball.

883
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 4: And they went and got Blake Baker, the coordinator from

884
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 4: up there. They got Kevin Peeples, they went and got

885
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 4: Bo Davis, defensive line coach from Texas who's been around

886
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 4: the block and understands. And remember a few years ago,

887
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 4: you remember John that leaked video from a Texas team

888
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 4: bus after they had lost a game and it was

889
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 4: dark and one of probably one of the softest players

890
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 4: on the bus, whoever he was, pulled out the cell

891
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 4: phone and he was recording a coach just going off

892
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 4: on him.

893
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: Talking about how this is a d line coach or

894
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: something was going.

895
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 4: Now that was Bo Davis, and so Bo Davis was right,

896
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 4: and the kind of Texas has morphed into what he

897
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 4: said they should be. And he's at LSU now. So

898
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 4: yet again we have a team with a quarterback that

899
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 4: is emerging and has shown you that he can take

900
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 4: over games. You've got a receiver Cord that's got three

901
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 4: dependable guys with a shot fire NFL one. You got

902
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 4: really good potential offensive line play. They just ran the

903
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 4: ball against Arkansas in a bad dynamics spot, scheduling wise,

904
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 4: as good as they've run it all year, and their

905
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 4: defense has continued to come on. And even losing Harold Perkins,

906
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 4: the dirty secret around southern football circles was, hey, watch out.

907
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 4: They may be better without Perkins because they don't try

908
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 4: and build around him. They've actually got good enough athletes

909
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 4: to where just watch and see. Now. That's what coaches

910
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 4: kept texting me. Well, they look better now. You don't

911
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 4: want to say that losing a guy was good, but

912
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 4: they look better now in the aggregate. And so they

913
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 4: have now got a situation where they play A and

914
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 4: M this weekend. How many college football fans, by the way,

915
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 4: do you think are aware that the two teams who

916
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 4: are tied for first in the SEC play this weekend?

917
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 4: Because it's not Georgia, it's not Texas, it's LSU and

918
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 4: A and M. Those are the teams tied for first,

919
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 4: and they play this weekend. If LSU gets through that game, man,

920
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 4: they got Bama coming into Tiger Stadium probably at night.

921
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 4: From what I'm told, in a couple of weeks like

922
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 4: that could be the team that gets downhill momentum. And

923
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 4: as I've said, like three times in the past ten minutes,

924
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 4: if there were an elite team out there, it would

925
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 4: feel like all this conversation was funneling towards the same direction.

926
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 4: There is not an elite team out there. A bunch

927
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 4: of them can be had, and that's I'm glad you

928
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 4: brought them up. That is a huge wildcard team. To

929
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,479
Speaker 4: me right now, who you.

930
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: Like in that A and MLSU game?

931
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 4: Slight lean LSU. Actually, when we get done, I got

932
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 4: to break that down because as you and I speak,

933
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 4: I am doing a show tonight where we'll do the

934
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 4: predictions on that one. I have a very slightly in LSU,

935
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 4: but I'm telling you it may not be this year,

936
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 4: but in years to come. A and M is going

937
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 4: to be very very serious player in this whole mix.

938
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 4: They quietly nailed their higher. They nailed the higher of

939
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 4: Mike Elko. He's not flashy, he's not a headline grabber.

940
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 4: That team will be a headline grabber in time. They've

941
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 4: got a good enough team to win this year.

942
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: That game College Station and that place is going to

943
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: be see I think that in all the talk about

944
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: Niland Stadium, I was at Autin a couple of.

945
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 4: Weeks ago, unbelievable. There's a lot of talk always about

946
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 4: Tiger Stadium at night. The one place from an environment standpoint,

947
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 4: and it kind of coincides with a quality of program

948
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 4: standpoint that has the chance to explode is Texas A

949
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 4: and M. I you ought to buy all the stock

950
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 4: in A and M you can. You ought to carve

951
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 4: out as big a market share of that fan base

952
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 4: as you can, because that's one that could just mushroom

953
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 4: cloud over the next few years.

954
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: I heard a story yesterday actually from a buddy that

955
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: is close with the coach on Georgia's staff, and that

956
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: coach told him when they were getting ready to play

957
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: TCU Tuesday of that week, so they had about a

958
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: week till the game. You know, the game was a

959
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: following Monday. They went full padded practice and he's like,

960
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: you might as well thought this was the first scrimmage

961
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: in fall camp. He's like blood, He's like it was

962
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: a war Zone. And I was on with Coward last

963
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: week and I said, I the one thing with coaches,

964
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: and you're around these guys, you can't fake toughness. And

965
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Kirby is just a

966
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: tough guy. And that game against Texas was just a

967
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: microcosm of everything he stands for as a coach, whether

968
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: it's two deeps as deep as it is, you can't

969
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: fake that edge that I can't even imagine it was

970
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: like at Georgia for the seven days leading up to

971
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: that game. Starks done a good job. He's clearly improved

972
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: a lot as a coach, But if you're not truly

973
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: a tough guy, and listen, most offensive former quarterbacks are

974
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: not right. That's just not like they're laying Lincoln. That's

975
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: not there. That's not who they are at their corps.

976
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: This is an overachieving safety who menteed under Nick saban

977
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: like and it was on full display. And so you

978
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: watch Georgia in that game. You take the second half

979
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: of the Bama game. I know they've had some weird games,

980
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: but you go when they come even with the little

981
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 1: shaky quarterback play, that defense man, I mean, that's gonna

982
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: be tough to beat if they play like that. I

983
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: mean they I don't think anyone's beating them if their

984
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: defense is bringing that intensity in a game. And obviously

985
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: once they get to the playoffs or the SEC Championship

986
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: or some of these big games, I don't know. Man,

987
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 1: that walker coming off the edge, Holy moly.

988
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 4: I texted one of their stabbers afterwards, I said, are

989
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 4: you guys confident you can reach in your bag and

990
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 4: pull that out three more times? You'll probably need that

991
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 4: two or three more times. If you are, then that's

992
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 4: a rap for the season, unless bet goes down or

993
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 4: something like that. Like, that's a rap for the season.

994
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 4: So it's a non negotiable for them. The whole toughness angle.

995
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 4: It's not about hyper momentum or motivation. Everyone's hyped up

996
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 4: for these games. That's the big misnomer. It's not about

997
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 4: how loud the music is in the locker room, what

998
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 4: the pregame speech is like. This stuff is one in

999
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 4: the spring, this stuff is one in summer workouts. And

1000
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 4: you're talking about bloody Tuesday. That's what they call their

1001
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 4: practices there every week, Bloody Tuesday. It is violent. It's unbelievable.

1002
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 4: It's far more taxing than the game will be on

1003
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 4: those players on Saturday. But that's that's the only way

1004
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 4: they know, and they'll lose a couple of guys over

1005
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 4: the course of a season practice in that way, but

1006
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 4: in their mind, they'll lose a couple of games not

1007
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 4: practicing that way. And I want people to understand this, Okay.

1008
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 4: I went and watched Texas earlier this year against Michigan,

1009
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 4: and that was a game that no one cares about

1010
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 4: now because Michigan's bad, But that was a game, remember

1011
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 4: in the time where most of the country had convinced

1012
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 4: itself Texas is about flash and if Michigan can turn

1013
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 4: this into a street fight, Michigan will have a good

1014
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 4: shot to win this game. And I remember sort of,

1015
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 4: you know, talking to some of the Texas folks during

1016
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 4: that week, and they were like, do we hope it

1017
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 4: turns into a street fight? That's actually our game and

1018
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 4: the world doesn't know it. At my point is they

1019
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 4: run things the same way Georgia does, or they think

1020
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 4: they do, and so I want to put it in

1021
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 4: that context. Texas is as big and strong and fast

1022
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 4: as any roster in the country, including Georgia. If you

1023
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 4: see those guys in person, and then you understand Georgia

1024
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 4: did what they did to those guys. It would blow

1025
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 4: your mind that anyone could do that to Texas. And

1026
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 4: that's really the differentiator in who gets to make thirteen

1027
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 4: million dollars a year to coach this sport. It's not

1028
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 4: CAUs Kirby Smart has an edge on the grease board

1029
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 4: when he talks x's and o's. It's not about how

1030
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 4: good he is in a pregame speech environment or anything

1031
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 4: like that. It is about taking your mentality, which is

1032
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 4: just eat glass for breakfast every day, basically, but not

1033
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 4: just that. You have to be able to make an

1034
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 4: entire building full of people think and act that way.

1035
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 4: And some of them weren't born that way. By the way,

1036
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 4: some of them you have to put that mentality in

1037
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 4: them so that you can pull it out of them.

1038
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 4: And it's like it's like watching a bunch of people

1039
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 4: get their hands tied behind their back and there's a

1040
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 4: huge fan in front of their face, and human nature

1041
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 4: would be to back away from it, and Kirby Smart

1042
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 4: has his entire organization willing to just lean into it,

1043
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 4: eyes wide open, come what may, and they just trust him.

1044
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 4: The little workout, and that is.

1045
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: Say it's a saving thing, right, and most.

1046
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 4: People say yes, it's so simple for us to say

1047
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 4: we just did this in two minutes, and yet it

1048
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 4: takes a lifetime to master that, and most people won't

1049
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 4: master it even in a lifetime. But if you can,

1050
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 4: there's no limit on what you can achieve because you

1051
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 4: can get other people to do that collectively. That's dude,

1052
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 4: That is the difference. There are guys, I guarantee you

1053
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 4: right now sitting around busting their tail who have worked

1054
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 4: in football their entire lives, who are making sixty thousand

1055
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 4: dollars in some support staff role, and they're like, how

1056
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 4: come this? What makes this guy worth thirteen million? Because

1057
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 4: he can get other people to act like that. That's

1058
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 4: the difference. That's really the difference.

1059
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: So what's your take on Texas then? Is that just

1060
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: a kind of an anomaly game rough up perfect spot

1061
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: for Georgia or you know the quarterback play. I was

1062
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: at the Red River game and he was pretty I

1063
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: understand he was coming off injury, but he was a

1064
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: little shaky and I thought Sark kind of schemed around him.

1065
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: They ran the ball. Well, he gets benched in that game,

1066
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: and it was it wasn't shocking. I mean, they now

1067
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: it was clearly he just wanted him to take a

1068
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: deep breath. He was going to go back to him

1069
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: at halftime. But I don't know, man, I'm a little

1070
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: because you watch that Michigan game where you were it's like, God,

1071
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: this guy looks like a top ten pick. He was awesome,

1072
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: and then as the season goes on, you're like, well,

1073
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: Michigan's pretty terrible. Not but again, like in a vacuum,

1074
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: he was great in that game. If he plays like that,

1075
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna be a national title contender. But

1076
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: if he plays as shaky as he has the last

1077
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 1: couple of weeks in spots like you're just throwing picks

1078
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: and throwing balls all over the place, it is a

1079
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: little risky for them, though their defense is a lot better.

1080
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on just the Youer Sark situation

1081
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: for coming down the home stretch of the playoffs.

1082
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 4: I think Sarks as good as anyone in America at

1083
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 4: what he does, play, call design scheme. Offensively, he is

1084
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 4: as good as anyone in college football. So if his

1085
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 4: best is not enough, then you just looking at a

1086
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 4: powerhouse in Georgia. I'd be interested to see if that

1087
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 4: game happened again, how much carryover we have. So Texas

1088
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 4: got stoned running the ball, which is a non negotiable.

1089
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 4: You got to be able to do that. You're probably

1090
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 4: not going to be Georgia. You got to get enough

1091
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 4: out of the run game. I mean, Bama played him

1092
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 4: in the SEC title game last year and beat him.

1093
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 4: They got enough in the run game. You got to

1094
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 4: be able to do that minimum. The other part about

1095
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 4: that that was funny is Georgia's defense did a great

1096
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 4: drop of forcing turnovers. So they had I think six

1097
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 4: scoring drives. Four of them started in Texas territory, another

1098
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 4: one started at the Georgia forty five. So if we

1099
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 4: play that game again and nothing flips other than average

1100
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 4: starting field position, I wonder how the game plays out.

1101
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 4: I wonder if it plays out different because, sort of

1102
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 4: in a low key manner, Carson Beck didn't play good

1103
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 4: the other night. Carson Beck's been you could argue he

1104
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 4: was worse. He's been turned over prone all year. So

1105
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 4: if you could promise me that that's gonna flip, then

1106
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 4: Georgia's your slam dunk national title favorite. But as long

1107
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 4: as that vulnerability is there, then I certainly would lean

1108
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 4: Georgia in a rematch. But I'm not sure how much

1109
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 4: of that game we saw the other night will be

1110
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 4: copy and paste. I know the elements of it, Like

1111
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,919
Speaker 4: if you can't run the ball to a minimum degree

1112
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 4: against Georgia, it's going to play out a different way,

1113
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 4: but your result would probably be the same. I'm just saying,

1114
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 4: if anyone in America is gonna be able to dial

1115
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 4: it up, I would trust Sark to be able to

1116
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 4: dial it up. And if he can't, Georgia just earned

1117
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 4: himselves a national title basically because man outside of Ohio

1118
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 4: State Oregon. And we'll see how that plays out. Doesn't

1119
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 4: it still feel to you like until shown otherwise, that's

1120
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 4: kind of your final four that we're working with. I

1121
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 4: feel like there may be a little drop off past

1122
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 4: those four.

1123
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: Still, I do wonder with you know, before in the

1124
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: final four, like once you got to the final four,

1125
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: you just once you win that one game, you basically

1126
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: got ten days to get rid of. It was such

1127
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: a unique environment, right, The hardest part of the NCAA

1128
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: tournament is getting to the final four. So football, you

1129
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: get one shot, you have a bad half all of

1130
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: a sudden, look at Georgia against Alabama. One bad half,

1131
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: you're just behind the eight ball. You gotta have you

1132
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: gotta almost be perfect in the second half. And that's

1133
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,479
Speaker 1: where I think. I don't know, I mean, I think

1134
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: that the best teams now, historically in college football, some

1135
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: of the great teams did not have like superstar NFL quarterbacks.

1136
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: That's kind of what it feels like Georgia. Obviously, Carson Beck,

1137
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, looks more like a third day pick than

1138
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: he does a first round pick at this point in time.

1139
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: But good teams have always won national championships like that historically.

1140
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: Now it changed a little bit recently, right with a

1141
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: lot of guys number one or top ten picks being

1142
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: national championship leaders from Burrow to you know, Tuau's and

1143
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: you know, Trevor Lawrence. But I don't know. I agree, Yeah,

1144
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: I do think this twelve team playoff, we're just gonna

1145
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: have an upset. It feels inevitable this year, at least

1146
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: the way so far the season's played out.

1147
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 4: Right, here's what I hope. If that happens, then that's fine.

1148
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 4: I hope what doesn't happen is attrition based upsets, because

1149
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 4: it's as much as people may from fifty thousand feet say,

1150
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 4: oh this is great. Man. More games equals more randomization.

1151
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 4: If more games equals your quarterback gets hurt, Garrett Nussmeyer

1152
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 4: goes down so much.

1153
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: I agree.

1154
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 4: I agree that that's not good, that's lame. Yeah, upset happened.

1155
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 4: But I think if we just flat out get into

1156
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 4: a situation where, yeah, in the aggregate, the totality of

1157
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 4: a twelve team field leads Iowa State to be in

1158
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 4: a dogfight with Oregon in the fourth quarter, that would

1159
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 4: surprise me. And if it's a straight up football game,

1160
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 4: I don't care what turnover margin is, but if it's

1161
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 4: a straight up non injury impacted football game, that's wonderful.

1162
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 4: I'll still have to see that kind of stuff to

1163
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 4: believe it, but if it happens, that's wonderful.

1164
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: What was your takeaway being in an outen stadium watching

1165
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: those two teams playing just a pretty epid game.

1166
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 4: I had to turn my phone off. So here's here's

1167
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 4: what never before. I've been there one time a couple

1168
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 4: of years ago for a UCLA game, so it didn't

1169
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 4: really compare to this. So, as you know, we have

1170
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 4: a bunch of cathedrals called football stadiums in the South,

1171
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 4: and most of them are unbelievable, and the pageantry and

1172
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 4: everybody's year revolves around a few Saturdays, preferably at night

1173
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 4: in those places. So I go up to Autsin for

1174
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 4: the Ohio State game, just deafening. Husky Stadium last year

1175
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 4: for Oregon was the same way. So I come back

1176
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 4: home and I tell my brethren down south, Hey, these

1177
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 4: places may be like forty thousand less capacity, but on

1178
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 4: elite Saturdays, they really don't take a back seat to

1179
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,439
Speaker 4: many places. And so I went on a CBS show

1180
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 4: the next day and they asked me to rank the

1181
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 4: environments that I've been in. So I said, Autsin was

1182
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 4: the best Big ten environment I've ever been in. And

1183
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 4: I've been to the white out at Penn State and

1184
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,959
Speaker 4: that's wonderful. That's the only other thing that compared john

1185
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 4: to what I experienced at Austin with Ohio State. The

1186
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 4: test you can do is you just close your eyes

1187
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 4: and at that point you can't see how big the

1188
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 4: venue is. Just listen. You can't hear. It's unbelievable and

1189
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 4: sound just rains down on you. So I say that,

1190
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 4: and it's met with a predictable result, and that is

1191
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 4: everybody disagrees. But then you push people on it and

1192
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 4: you find out ninety percent of the people who are

1193
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 4: disagreeing have never been there. They're just using the law

1194
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,439
Speaker 4: of mathematics in their head. Well, sixty thousand people can't

1195
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 4: be as lot as one hundred thousand. Well, I mean

1196
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 4: if your place is shaped like this and their place

1197
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 4: is shaped like this, then yes, they absolutely can. It's acoustics.

1198
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 4: It's science. I'm not going to pretend to know how

1199
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 4: to explain it, but it is.

1200
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: So.

1201
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 4: I thought it was the best spectacle for selling Oregon

1202
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 4: that you could have ever had. It was probably the

1203
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 4: best recruiting day they've ever had. I was there Friday

1204
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 4: with the staff, and I know they had a lot

1205
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 4: of visitors in there, but forget about visiting. Just picture

1206
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 4: yourself being from Myrtlebeat, South Carolina. You couldn't get there,

1207
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 4: but just watching that display on TV. And also think

1208
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 4: about this from a longer form perspective. Oregon when they've won,

1209
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 4: it's always felt sort of gimmicky. It's always felt that

1210
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 4: they can't do it the way the big boys do,

1211
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 4: so they very effectively find an alternative way to do it. Oregon,

1212
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 4: for the first time in the program's history, can win

1213
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 4: going straight up toe to toe with Ohio State, straight

1214
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 4: up toe to toe with a Georgia or in Alabama.

1215
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 4: And it's because the mechanisms of the sport have sort

1216
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 4: of had a confluence with them hiring Dan Lanning and

1217
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 4: now in terms of talent acquisition, they can go to

1218
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 4: the South, they can go to the East coast, and

1219
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 4: they can convince guys to come there, and they're really

1220
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 4: really good and like they're assassin based in the portal

1221
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 4: and so it's not gimmick. It's just grind. I mean,

1222
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 4: they can grind out wins now and I don't think

1223
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 4: that's going to change anytime soon. So all that being

1224
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 4: on display, along with the environment, I don't know that

1225
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 4: you've ever had a more effective Saturday, all encompassing for

1226
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 4: Oregon football than you had for that Ohio State game.

1227
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: It's funny. In that game, it was obviously a huge

1228
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: win for Landing, who has had an awesome team these

1229
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: last couple of years, but was zero and three against

1230
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,919
Speaker 1: a Boor and last year they were they were I think,

1231
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: you know, nine point favorite in that PAC twelve championship

1232
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,959
Speaker 1: game in Vegas, and that was they kind of got

1233
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: they kind of got worked. I mean they got run on.

1234
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 4: They Washington out rushed them.

1235
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: That was a debor. Hey, if Saban wants to retire,

1236
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm ready right so now on the flip side, So

1237
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: it was a massive win for him and he was

1238
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: highly thought of before. But I don't want to say

1239
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: it validates it because they got a long way to go.

1240
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: But he's gonna win a lot of games. Clearly keep winning.

1241
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: Ryan Day, who wins a lot of games. I mean

1242
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: that record against the top team speaks for itself. What's

1243
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: your takeaway in just that narrative of his career for

1244
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: a guy that has this incredible winning percentage? But is

1245
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: what one and seven now against top five or six teams?

1246
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're basically the eighth or ninth rung on a

1247
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 4: ten rung ladder. They're close, They're not being blown out

1248
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 4: in these games. They're normally won possession like that. You

1249
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 4: remember that Georgia's semi final game with them a couple

1250
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 4: of years ago. It's a missed field goal away from

1251
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 4: them playing TC.

1252
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: They easily could have won that game.

1253
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 4: It's it's an it's an so on one hand, I

1254
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 4: think to myself, is the trajectory that a ball comes

1255
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 4: off a foot? Really the difference in this guy being

1256
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 4: a king and this guy sucking like I don't think

1257
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 4: like that, but it kind of is, but it kind

1258
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 4: of I know. I know how result oriented this business is.

1259
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 4: So I get both sides of the equation. And if

1260
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 4: I were an Ohio State fan, I give and give

1261
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 4: and give just like the Georgia folks do. I give

1262
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 4: and give and give just like the Bama folks do.

1263
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 4: We sell our stadium out, We're invested, we're passionate. We're

1264
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 4: like an NFL team in Columbus, Ohio. So I should

1265
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 4: have an insanely high expectation on degree of return for

1266
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 4: that financial and emotional investment. So I understand that you

1267
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 4: can't lose to Michigan three years in a row. I

1268
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 4: get all that. So I'm not an Ohio State fan

1269
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 4: though I'm just observing the program. My take is you're

1270
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 4: really close and I always, I always with Ryan Day

1271
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 4: lately have had to do the comparative analysis because there's

1272
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 4: a perfect corollary to this. We just talked about him

1273
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 4: a few minutes ago. It's Kirby Smart. Ryan Day is

1274
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 4: basically Kirby Smart. You may say, no, he's not. Kirby's

1275
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 4: got two titles. Why don't mean twenty twenty one and

1276
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 4: beyond Kirby, I mean twenty twenty in before Kirby. So

1277
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 4: twenty twenty Kirby, unbeknownst to us, is one year away

1278
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 4: from winning a title. I'll scratch that. Let's go a

1279
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 4: step further. December twenty twenty one. Kirby Smart has just

1280
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 4: lost the SEC title game to Nick Saban and Alabama again.

1281
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 4: And you won't find anyone with the stones in the

1282
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 4: South to admit this. But there was this chart, there

1283
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 4: was this little graphic on sociation and it.

1284
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: Wasn't a field goal game if I remember.

1285
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,959
Speaker 4: No, it was of course, no, it wasn't, was it. Yeah?

1286
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 4: And so what they had started to do is they

1287
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 4: had made this little blind resume ab scenario and one

1288
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 4: of them was Mark rickt and the other one was

1289
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 4: Kirby Smart. And their records and everything, wins against top

1290
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 4: ten teams, it all looked identical. And Kirby at that

1291
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 4: point was like, oh and whatever against Nick Saban and Alabama.

1292
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna tell you the exact phraseology that kept

1293
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 4: getting thrown at. That guy can't win the big one,

1294
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 4: that's what they kept saying about him. He's good, but

1295
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 4: he can't win the big and what are we really

1296
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 4: doing here if he can't get over the hump, can't

1297
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 4: win the big one? All the usual phrases. And then

1298
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 4: he won the big one, and then he won another

1299
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 4: big one, and then it was off to the races,

1300
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 4: and he's the best coach in America and it's the

1301
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 4: best program in America. And the difference is so negligible.

1302
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 4: The difference in terms of process is the exact same.

1303
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 4: It's just that they kept applying the process. They did

1304
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 4: all the boring coach speak stuff. They kept chopping enough

1305
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 4: to where they finally went their way, and it went

1306
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 4: their way a couple of times, and then they got

1307
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 4: the program momentum, and then save and retires, and so like,

1308
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 4: here's my only, my only ask. After that Ohio State

1309
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 4: Oregon game, I went on Columbus radio and they were

1310
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 4: wanting to kill the guy, and I'm like, can we

1311
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 4: at least wait to see how this season plays out?

1312
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 4: So they just lost by one on the road. They're

1313
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 4: still favored to win the conference. They're one of the

1314
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 4: favorites to win the whole thing. Can we please you?

1315
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 4: Can you do me the favor of just letting me

1316
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 4: see the season play out, because that season we're talking

1317
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 4: about saw Kirby get another shot at BAMA a month

1318
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 4: later and beat him in Indianapolis. That's Bryce Young's Alabama.

1319
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 4: They still beat him for the title. So they're still

1320
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:10,919
Speaker 4: right up there to win the whole thing this year.

1321
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 4: Like it's not the end of the world.

1322
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: You know. I'm a noted Ohio State haters, just one

1323
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: of those where I just didn't really like him growing

1324
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: up for no real reason. It's not like I went

1325
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: to school against him or anything. The difference, I would say,

1326
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: and I'll say this for Ryan Day. The Georgia loss

1327
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: and the Ohio State loss aren't bad losses like this

1328
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: his team's. I mean, he at that Oregon game, they

1329
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: showed up ready to kick their butt. I mean, if

1330
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't for an early created fumble by the defensive line,

1331
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: and it looked like they could be up multiple scores.

1332
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: I mean, they were shoving the ball around him, so

1333
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: they he had his squad ready. The Michigan games are

1334
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: bad and that's one that it's hard to shake. Kirby

1335
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: took over a Georgia program that obviously had some issues.

1336
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: What Hypel did at Tennessee has been very impressive. Like

1337
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: I do think there is some merit to when Harboss

1338
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: has born, like he did take over kind of a

1339
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: freight train at Ohio State. It's kind of like Gibor

1340
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: at Alabama, Like the programs had been an upward trajectory

1341
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: the recruiting standpoint, they had recently won national titles, And

1342
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: I do think it's fair to just go Like Kirby,

1343
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: we knew he was such a good coach because you

1344
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: were watching what he could. He win the big one,

1345
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: but he had to me more equity, like I'm sorry,

1346
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: like beating the crap out of Minnesota, Purdues and Rutgers.

1347
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: I just think people at Ohio State is like, I'm

1348
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: kind of numb to it.

1349
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 4: It just doesn't matter to me anymore.

1350
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: And I think there's I do understand it's probably obviously

1351
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: over aggressive in Columbus, but I do think some of

1352
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: the question marks with him specifically, like some of these

1353
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: other guys like have just earned more equity of like

1354
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: remember what it was like before me like you can't,

1355
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: Ryan Dy can't really say that.

1356
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, But so here's my follow up. I agree with

1357
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 4: everything you just said. My follow up is always like

1358
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 4: we circle back to what we originally were talking about.

1359
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 4: You asked me the same thing a lot of people

1360
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 4: ask me, and that is, hey, what do you think

1361
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 4: about Ryan Day? And what I told you is eight

1362
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 4: throng on a ten rung ladder. That's what I said.

1363
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 4: So then you and I go down this whole road,

1364
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 4: just like any Ohio State fan would, and I'll circle

1365
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 4: back to the same things, like when they tell me

1366
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 4: James Franklin's overrated, I'll circle back to the same thing.

1367
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 4: All right, I said he's the eight thrung on a

1368
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 4: ten rung ladder. I didn't say he's great. I didn't

1369
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 4: say he's elite. So do you disagree with me? And

1370
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 4: they'll always say no, I guess I don't. I mean

1371
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 4: that's the take. The take is there's some stuff that

1372
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 4: he's done that hasn't been good enough. Now, I will

1373
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 4: say this, he did grab the baton from a program

1374
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 4: that was running at a very high level, which means

1375
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 4: you're just running off momentum for a few years. When

1376
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 4: you get half a dozen years in though it is

1377
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 4: your program, and if you're not the real deal, the

1378
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 4: program will have regressed. And there's some revisionist history with

1379
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 4: what Meyers teams were doing. Myers team's played a ton

1380
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 4: of close games. They got that twenty fourteen year where

1381
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 4: they ended up getting on a run with Cardil Jones,

1382
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 4: and you don't take that away from anyone, But I mean,

1383
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 4: it's not like the program has steadily regressed every year.

1384
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 4: The one thing I wish to agree there, the one

1385
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 4: thing I want for them is they've been beaten by

1386
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 4: Michigan three consecutive years, and Michigan has been a less

1387
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 4: talented roster three consecutive years. And I've looked at Ohio

1388
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,759
Speaker 4: State and they can recruit any athlete they want. Therefore,

1389
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 4: they can play any style they want. And I'm thinking

1390
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 4: to myself, why would you ever be a team whose

1391
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 4: identity is its wide receivers. Why is your identity not

1392
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 4: offensive line? Why is your identity not sledgehammer? Why is

1393
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 4: Michigan why why can they go through you? That should

1394
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 4: never be the case. So I thought the course correction

1395
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 4: for this year was going to be that of adopting

1396
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 4: the mentality and installing the mentality of a team that

1397
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 4: is a little more hard nosed, and maybe you don't

1398
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 4: have three thousand yard receivers been in the aggregate, you

1399
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 4: end up being a better football team. And it's still

1400
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 4: a little early to properly diagnose that, but man, they

1401
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 4: kind of got it taken to him physically a little

1402
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 4: bit against Oregon. So that's the biggest concern to me

1403
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 4: right now.

1404
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: I do think there's probably more pressure on him, maybe

1405
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: not to win the national title, but to be a

1406
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: pretty big force in the playoff, probably at least be

1407
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: in the title game than any other coach. Right Kirby's minted,

1408
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: if hypol and some of the these guys just make

1409
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: the playoffs, even sark, I mean, what he's done with

1410
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: that program. I dan Lanning is going nowhere. Not saying

1411
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 1: they would fire the guy, but I don't think they

1412
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: can just afford to lose like before they get to

1413
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: the final four, even the final four, depending on who

1414
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: they play like this roster, because I'm with you, their

1415
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: running backs are pretty good at Ohio State. I mean,

1416
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 1: so it's like I would slam the ball downs people's throat,

1417
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: which I would imagine, like that's what they're going to

1418
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: need to do to win the national title. Though I

1419
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: actually was pretty impressive Will Howard in that game. I

1420
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,600
Speaker 1: thought he looked pretty good, but the ending kind of

1421
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: unraveled on him. A couple more things before I get

1422
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: you out of here. You told me you're going to

1423
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: the Boise State unob game, which is are like Georgia

1424
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 1: Bama or you know it's a big game out for

1425
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: US Mountain West. Wha former whack people? Do you think?

1426
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: Because I don't think it's possible unless he ran for

1427
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 1: like five thousand yards. Did a non power school player

1428
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: or non power forward because we've seen non like Bama

1429
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: kids win it can Could Austin Genty win the Heisman?

1430
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: Could mat because I don't think he Because I don't

1431
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 1: think he can.

1432
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 4: I don't think he will. You know, if we were

1433
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 4: I always hesitate to say never because if I think

1434
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 4: there's a one percent chance, I'm not going to say never.

1435
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 4: So that's kind of stat nerd stuff. I don't think

1436
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 4: he will. There's a lot of romanticism around guys like that.

1437
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 4: But remember the year mark Ingram won it at running back,

1438
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 4: he had a terrible game against Auburt. He ran for

1439
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 4: like thirty something yards and then they won the SEC title.

1440
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 4: The next week he ends up winning it. And my

1441
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 4: point is at the tailback position, if you play for

1442
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 4: a major brand, you can have one of those games

1443
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,679
Speaker 4: baked into your stat profile, and there's still so much

1444
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 4: aura around the helmet that you wear that you'll just

1445
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,759
Speaker 4: be pushed over the finish line. The second gent runs

1446
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 4: for sixty three yards in a game, that's it for him.

1447
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 4: Like that's that there are people who are willing to

1448
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 4: have his name in the conversation right now that will

1449
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 4: participate in actively yanking the rug out from under him

1450
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 4: if he has one bad game. John, that's not even

1451
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 4: to mention. What if he just gets deemed up as

1452
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,759
Speaker 4: tailbacks often do, carrying the load of mail that he does.

1453
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 4: So I think it's a contingent also on does a

1454
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 4: quarterback get hot? Does Travis Hunter state injury prone? There

1455
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 4: are probably some other variables there, but I'm with you.

1456
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,640
Speaker 4: I'm going to watch him Friday because I want to

1457
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 4: be able to say I watched him in person. But

1458
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 4: I don't know if we'll see him on the stage.

1459
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 4: I think we'll see him in the crowd in New York.

1460
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 4: I don't know. That we'll see him on the stage.

1461
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 1: What I think has a chance to be a cool

1462
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 1: moment is if they run the table and if they

1463
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 1: are the eleven or twelve seed and they're.

1464
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 4: Playing like LSU, oh yeah, and he has his like.

1465
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: Steph Curry in the tournament moment. It's like, do you

1466
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: remember when Austin gent ran for one hundred and fifty

1467
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: seven yards and three touchdowns against LSU in one of

1468
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: the bigger upsets we've seen in recent memory. That that

1469
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: would be just the opportunity for that would be pretty cool.

1470
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 4: I didn't think about that. I didn't think about because.

1471
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: You never really get that in college football because the

1472
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: Donald fourd is always just the boys.

1473
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, you would, and no one really romanticizes the

1474
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 4: G five conference title races, so we never really have

1475
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 4: that Davidson you know, round of sixty four, round of

1476
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:12,679
Speaker 4: thirty two moment used.

1477
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,799
Speaker 1: To happen a little bit in the in the bowl games.

1478
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 1: But even that, like remember when boys he beat Oklahoma?

1479
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: Who do you got to win the Natty? As we

1480
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 1: sit here right now.

1481
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 4: I was, so I still have Ohio State because I

1482
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 4: picked him in the preseason. So I'm not gonna come

1483
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 4: off the pick recency bias. I can't ignore what I

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Speaker 4: just watched Georgia do. I can't. It's hard for me

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Speaker 4: to ignore that. And so if I knew those teams

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Speaker 4: were playing Saturday, I would I would probably hold my

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01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 4: nose and still take Ohio State. But I mean secretly,

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Speaker 4: I'd be logging into every account I have laying something

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Speaker 4: on Georgia. I think there.

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Speaker 1: Is you think Georgia would be favored in that game.

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Speaker 4: I do not at the I think they would be

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Speaker 4: a very slight favorite at the moment. I mean like

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Speaker 4: a point or less. I still think odds makers are

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01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 4: very high on Ohio State. I have this fight all

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Speaker 4: the time. I'll have it on my show tonight about

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01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,600
Speaker 4: who Ohio State would still be favored against, which is

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Speaker 4: worth nothing more than what a pregame odd would be

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01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 4: on a matchup. But I'm still thinking there's a little

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Speaker 4: bit more runway for this team to build up speed

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Speaker 4: than maybe the rest of the college football public does.

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Speaker 4: So I'll stay with my Ohio State pick right now.

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Speaker 1: Let everyone know where they can find you, obviously.

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01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 4: YouTube, well, YouTube, Josh Pit's College Football Show, basically wherever

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01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 4: you want to search. I think I made the most

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01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 4: fool proof name ever because if you think you've forgotten

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01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 4: the name, the thing that you would search is the

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Speaker 4: name of the show itself. So anywhere, podcast, YouTube, wherever

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01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,600
Speaker 4: you want to get it, it's there at your convenience.

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Speaker 1: You got an easy name too to type in, you know,

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01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: sometimes middle coffee, you know, it's harder to spell. So

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Speaker 1: it's just Josh Paid. I'm jealous of that. For the

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Speaker 1: YouTube algorithm, man, I really appreciate that. Enjoy watching genty

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Speaker 1: this week and keep crushing, bro.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you having yeah the volume

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Speaker 1: Mhm