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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: Welcome Back. It's the latest episode of the Book of

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Speaker 1: Joe podcast, and it is World Series time. Joe Madden,

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Speaker 1: we don't have our picks. I think we both had

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Speaker 1: the Phillies going all the way. We've got the Arizona

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Speaker 1: Diamondbacks and Texas Rangers. I find me somebody who picked

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Speaker 1: this world series forget about before the year started, even

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Speaker 1: three weeks ago. How about this one?

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Speaker 2: Read just started thinking completely, But as you're watching it

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Speaker 2: obviously becomes believable. I mean the way the Diamondbacks Sas

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Speaker 2: shade back into Citizens Bank Park and win two games

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Speaker 2: and actually looked confident in doing it. That was really

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Speaker 2: the part that impressed me. They look okay the moment

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Speaker 2: it started. They're young players, absolutely ready for this situation.

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Speaker 2: And on the other side, Texas again being down by

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Speaker 2: two and then again the weirdness about the Astros in

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Speaker 2: their home ballpark, they come back and they win two.

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Speaker 2: More So, I think it's going to be a really

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Speaker 2: kind of an evenly match series. It's going to be

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Speaker 2: interesting to watch the whole thing, obviously, but both teams

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Speaker 2: deserve it. I'm happy for both sides. I think it's great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are definitely going to get into breaking down

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Speaker 1: the matchup Texas and Arizona, and there's some managerial news

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Speaker 1: that we want to talk about as well. But first,

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Speaker 1: let's say goodbye to the couple of teams who left here,

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia and Houston. Joe, it's kind of amazing to think

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Speaker 1: that Philadelphia goes home with a three games and two

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Speaker 1: lead in that ballpark where they've had so much success

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Speaker 1: and they can't win a game against Arizona and their home.

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Speaker 1: When I looked at the final game there at least,

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Speaker 1: and maybe it's true throughout some of their losses, they

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Speaker 1: just didn't move the baseball. They didn't move runners on base,

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Speaker 1: and Arizona did a tremendous job, I mean a tremendous

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Speaker 1: job of ABC Baseball getting guys over, getting them in.

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Speaker 1: Their speed definitely showed up. There's no quick about that.

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Speaker 1: I thought. I thought the biggest pitch of the game, Joe,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber leads off. I forget what inning it was

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Speaker 1: with a double. Philadelphia is down to They're getting the

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Speaker 1: crowd back in the game because the stick of the

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Speaker 1: order is coming up. He's on second base, nobody out,

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Speaker 1: and Trade Turner comes up at bet. He tries to bunt.

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Speaker 1: First pitch, really good idea. You know his job right

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Speaker 1: have to do. Fouled it off. It wasn't a terrible bunt,

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Speaker 1: didn't look really that comfortable, but fouled it off off

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Speaker 1: the first base line. Next pitch, Joe Maddapli throws the

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Speaker 1: perfect pitch to get a rollover ground ball, which is

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Speaker 1: a slow breaking curveball, and Tredye Turner rolls over, grounds

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Speaker 1: out the third and Schwarber stays at second. It's just

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Speaker 1: a complete empty out at a time you couldn't have

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Speaker 1: an empty at bat. And then two fly balls later,

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Speaker 1: Schwarber is still on second base. Inning's over, and I

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Speaker 1: watched Arizona just put buns down. Cormick Carrol, Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: what a ballplayer. He has that huge sack fly at

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Speaker 1: Alvarado with two strikes, just battle battle to get them

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Speaker 1: in scoring from second on a bullet base it with

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Speaker 1: two outs to the right field. Harper made a terrific play

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Speaker 1: cutting that ball off. Because you can't throw out Corbyn

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Speaker 1: Carroll at the plate. I don't care how our balls

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Speaker 1: that showed up in that game where Arizona just they're

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Speaker 1: a tremendous base running team. They dropped the sacrifice, but

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Speaker 1: I think it was Perdomo who got it down. They

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Speaker 1: they did that when they needed to at Philadelphia didn't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about fundamental baseball, offensively speaking, and that's

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Speaker 2: something has to be nurtured. You saw the I saw

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Speaker 2: a lot of that. You know, you're they're all going

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Speaker 2: a consistent team concept about the way they play offense. Now,

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Speaker 2: I'm not here to denigrate that it took them that far,

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Speaker 2: no question, but this time of the year when you

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Speaker 2: do need to manufactor stuff based on the other team's

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Speaker 2: the way the Diamondbacks design their team. And I would

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Speaker 2: bet talking about all this. Of course I wasn't there,

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Speaker 2: You just don't do those things all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: like they do it all the time. Base running, my goodness,

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Speaker 2: to me, that was always the number one thing to

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Speaker 2: really emphasize base running. Putting out every spring you want

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Speaker 2: back of your mind, you forget certain little things and

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Speaker 2: on top of that, during batting practice, you would actually

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Speaker 2: hit and run, run around third base, your first move

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Speaker 2: on contact. All this stuff needs to be nurtured during

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Speaker 2: the season if that's what you're looking for. And I

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Speaker 2: don't know this, but I would, I mean, Dave McKay

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't happen because you're fast. Long answer, but fundamentally,

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Speaker 2: and that's what I think Tory's been talking about the

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Speaker 2: way the Diamondbacks play baseball. It's been written a thousand

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Speaker 2: years ago, were the first how to do this. It's

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Speaker 2: not it's not rocket science. It's just diligent work. You

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Speaker 2: get your players to buy into so that they actually

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Speaker 2: practice in a method that's going to carry over to

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Speaker 2: the game and not just give you lip service just

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Speaker 2: And so again they're young, they probably listened, they probably

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Speaker 1: That's a great point, Joe. I mean, clearly that's part

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Speaker 1: that goes into it. It doesn't happen by accident. On

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Speaker 1: the other hand, I saw Philadelphia and listen. Not to

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Speaker 1: pick on Dusty Watson, but he must have got somebody

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Speaker 1: You have to send bryceon Stott in that two out

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Speaker 1: I don't know why he held him up, and he did.

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Speaker 1: The bottom of the order is coming up behind it.

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Speaker 1: You know he was not going to move to baseball.

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Speaker 2: It's there's no tomorrow, Manners thinks you have to do.

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Speaker 2: And I thought the same thing in the moment to

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Speaker 2: your point about sending the runner. The one thing analytics

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Speaker 2: relatively shallow, not your typical deep flyball, especially if an

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Speaker 2: that was with but Brian Butterfield. We talked about that

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Speaker 2: a lot. To send him. That's the time. And again,

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Speaker 2: like you're saying batting order, part of the batting order

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Speaker 2: absolutely germane. But on this play we sent him based

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Speaker 2: on that. So the ball caught is a second out,

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Speaker 2: and now the third out could possibly be at home plate,

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Speaker 2: but we're willing to take that chance. It's no different

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Speaker 2: we're going here, we're going and I want you to

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Speaker 2: know that base that we're going, and you start pointing

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Speaker 2: at different spots in the outfield. Now, obviously, if there's

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Speaker 2: of course you don't send them. But if it's a

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Speaker 2: these are also these are parts of the conversation that

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Speaker 2: this is like a part of a pre series. Meaning

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Speaker 2: to me, that's important. Remember, guys, listen, we get in

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Speaker 2: this situation two outs, that short sacrifice fly ball. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to say you be ready. You talk about that

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Speaker 2: run around second base two outs, you know, bottom of

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Speaker 2: the boat batting. I mean you could say, just like that,

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Speaker 2: you're not being offensive, be ready to go. And these

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Speaker 2: again I don't know, but I would bet dollars to

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Speaker 2: donuts that's part of the pre series meetings with the Diamondbacks.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Now let's say goodbye the Houston Astros. I

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Speaker 1: mean you have to give them credit. Obviously, seven straight

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Speaker 1: it's the team, the higher seeded team in both LCS

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Speaker 1: Houston's case, it's been a story all year long. It's

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Speaker 1: the weirdest thing I've seen, Joe. It's a very good

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Speaker 1: All right, Joe's the Diamondbacks and the Rangers the World Series.

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Speaker 2: Well, what do I expect? First of all, from the

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Speaker 1: That's a great point. Danny Heron to run prevention specialists

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Speaker 1: coaching staff. Wow, both teams really benefit from two of

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Speaker 1: the best in my book in the game. And you'll

429
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Speaker 1: watch every key moment in this game. It could be

430
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Speaker 1: first in these games, first inning, ninth inning, it doesn't matter.

431
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Speaker 1: Those pitching coaches are on the mound in key spots,

432
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Speaker 1: guiding their guys through the game and most often get

433
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Speaker 1: the next batter out. I mean, it's just amazing with

434
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Speaker 1: these two guys, and then you can see they take

435
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Speaker 1: control of these mound meetings. So I love that. I

436
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Speaker 1: think both teams will be prepared. I'm with you. I

437
00:21:19,758 --> 00:21:22,758
Speaker 1: think Arizona is sort of well built for this time

438
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Speaker 1: of year, especially because late in the year they figured

439
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Speaker 1: out their bullpen. It's just amazing. Ginkel is throwing his

440
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Speaker 1: slider right now like he didn't all year long. I mean,

441
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Speaker 1: he's got so much depth to it now, he's got

442
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Speaker 1: so much confidence. This is the guy they sent down

443
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Speaker 1: to the minor leagues in June. Saw Frank the lefty

444
00:21:40,158 --> 00:21:42,918
Speaker 1: can just flip his breaking ball pitch after pitch after pitch.

445
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Speaker 1: His confidence in that pitch. Seawald was picked up in

446
00:21:45,598 --> 00:21:48,998
Speaker 1: the trade late in the year from Seattle. He's got

447
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Speaker 1: that rider fastball that just plays. He's a strike thrower.

448
00:21:52,158 --> 00:21:55,038
Speaker 1: I love that fact with the closer. So they've got

449
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Speaker 1: pieces now. It's a different bullpen they really. It reminds

450
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Speaker 1: me of nineteen Nationals who redid their bullpen in the

451
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Speaker 1: course of a season. The overall numbers were not good

452
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Speaker 1: for their pen. It was a different bullpen by the

453
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Speaker 1: time they got to October. I'm a little bit concerned

454
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Speaker 1: about Zach Gallon. He's a great pitcher, don't get me wrong,

455
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Speaker 1: but he's a two hundred and thirty two innings for reason. Yeah,

456
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Speaker 1: his his curve ball has gone missing here in the postseason.

457
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Speaker 1: He's a guy who gets hit on first pitches, loves

458
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Speaker 1: to throw first pitch strikes. But the batting average is

459
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Speaker 1: over four hundred. Texas has just been killing first pitches,

460
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Speaker 1: and obviously it starts with Corey Seger, but they all

461
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Speaker 1: jump on that. That's an interesting matchup there, the Texas

462
00:22:36,958 --> 00:22:41,998
Speaker 1: aggressiveness against the strike thrower like Gallon Brandon fought Man,

463
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Speaker 1: that ball just jumps out of his hand. I know,

464
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Speaker 1: he's basically a four or five inning pitcher, but tremendous

465
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Speaker 1: confidence in him, which you know, he's kind of been

466
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Speaker 1: an X factor for them. So a lot of good

467
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Speaker 1: things are happening at the right time for Arizona. I

468
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Speaker 1: do agree this looks like a long series, Joe. I

469
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Speaker 1: can't see any team jumping out there in four or

470
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Speaker 1: five games. You mentioned the Texas depth of the starting rotation.

471
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Speaker 1: I think that is the issue, whether it's Suzer or

472
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Speaker 1: Heeny or Dunning. You know, it's just it's kind of

473
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Speaker 1: like we need to score runs to win games if

474
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Speaker 1: you're Texas when those guys are on the mound. Montgomery

475
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Speaker 1: rock solid of all the rock solid, both guys I

476
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Speaker 1: like in the postseason, Joe, because They're four pitch guys,

477
00:23:20,318 --> 00:23:22,438
Speaker 1: not two pitch guys, and they have command of all

478
00:23:22,478 --> 00:23:25,038
Speaker 1: four pitches, so they don't pitch the patterns. They can

479
00:23:25,078 --> 00:23:27,918
Speaker 1: beat you with different pitches. Those are tough matchups for

480
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Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks. So I know, I listen. I'm hedging here

481
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Speaker 1: because I do think it's an even series. Arizona has

482
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Speaker 1: really impressed me, and I do think the running game

483
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Speaker 1: is going to play. I think Texas does a better

484
00:23:37,798 --> 00:23:41,798
Speaker 1: job than Philadelphia defending it, but that's that's how Arizona plays.

485
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Speaker 1: They're gonna push the envelope. They're extremely athletic team. They're

486
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Speaker 1: a young team. We used to say, Joe, in the

487
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Speaker 1: postseason and you had a young team with sixteen cubs,

488
00:23:51,798 --> 00:23:54,438
Speaker 1: we used to say, you know, lean on experience in

489
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Speaker 1: the postseason. Right. I don't think that's the case anymore.

490
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Speaker 1: These young guys they hit the ground running. They're not

491
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Speaker 1: afraid of anything, the bright lights, the third deck of

492
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Speaker 1: the stadium, postseason quote unquote, prey sure, if you watched

493
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Speaker 1: Arizona play, they played fast and loose, literally fast and loose.

494
00:24:08,798 --> 00:24:11,518
Speaker 1: So I like the attitude they bring into the series.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the important thing there is to not

496
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Speaker 2: be concerned or afraid about making a mistake, and don't

497
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Speaker 2: change what you're doing now as compared to what you

498
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Speaker 2: had done during the regular season. Fortune favors the bowl.

499
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Speaker 2: That's the one thing I used to try to get across.

500
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Speaker 2: And remember in two thousand and eight, Fernando Prez came

501
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Speaker 2: up with the line. Remember when he scored on that

502
00:24:31,758 --> 00:24:36,078
Speaker 2: sacrifice fly ball. JD. Drew caught it down the right

503
00:24:36,078 --> 00:24:39,798
Speaker 2: field line, foul territory, not that deep, and here comes

504
00:24:40,078 --> 00:24:42,758
Speaker 2: Fernando and he scores, we win, And he coined the

505
00:24:42,798 --> 00:24:46,118
Speaker 2: phrase we air on the side of aggressiveness. And that's

506
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Speaker 2: the one thing that I really wanted all my teams

507
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Speaker 2: to embrace, and that team really did. That team was fearless.

508
00:24:52,878 --> 00:24:55,838
Speaker 2: That two thousand and eight race team was absolutely fearless.

509
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Speaker 2: So I see those qualities with the Diamondbacks right now.

510
00:25:00,798 --> 00:25:03,518
Speaker 2: The more that i've I've had an opportunity to watch them.

511
00:25:03,598 --> 00:25:07,558
Speaker 2: So the threat there is always that you become more conservative,

512
00:25:07,918 --> 00:25:10,478
Speaker 2: don't want to make mistakes. Let's not take the same

513
00:25:10,558 --> 00:25:12,238
Speaker 2: chances when you get to this time of the year,

514
00:25:12,278 --> 00:25:14,998
Speaker 2: and net to me is a huge trap that you'll

515
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Speaker 2: never again. I've talked about this you're never going to

516
00:25:16,758 --> 00:25:20,558
Speaker 2: get that rest ring by backing off. Right now, keep

517
00:25:20,598 --> 00:25:23,438
Speaker 2: the pedal down, pedal to the metal. Play the same game,

518
00:25:23,558 --> 00:25:26,678
Speaker 2: take the same chances, which when I say chances, these

519
00:25:26,678 --> 00:25:30,598
Speaker 2: are calculated risks, are chances based on your reconnaissance and

520
00:25:30,638 --> 00:25:34,118
Speaker 2: your player's abilities and what to do. So I like that.

521
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Speaker 2: I like that a lot. I think that's who they are.

522
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Speaker 2: On the other side, you talk about the Rangers, Yeah, Seeger, Seeger.

523
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Speaker 2: I know what Garcia did, but Seeger is the guy

524
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Speaker 2: for me. He God, the guy doesn't miss his pitch.

525
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Speaker 2: And I'm watching this and they're trying to you know,

526
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Speaker 2: I don't know if they're trying to sneak or just

527
00:25:54,238 --> 00:25:57,758
Speaker 2: miss location sometimes, but I would mess with them the

528
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Speaker 2: whole I would frustrate him the whole series, I think,

529
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Speaker 2: and I would put the emphasis or make sure that

530
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Speaker 2: the other guys do beat us. I think he's that good.

531
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Speaker 2: Left These are right as. It doesn't matter the other

532
00:26:07,718 --> 00:26:09,518
Speaker 2: guy is low and you talk about left, these are righties.

533
00:26:09,558 --> 00:26:11,598
Speaker 2: This guy hits lefties and this they need to protect

534
00:26:11,598 --> 00:26:15,158
Speaker 2: the left field line against him. He dumps a lot

535
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Speaker 2: of balls on that side. He's uh, he's a frustrating hitter,

536
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Speaker 2: uh to to defense against.

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Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, he reminds me of Eric Hosmer

538
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Speaker 1: by the way you almost have to try to make

539
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Speaker 1: him pull the baseball to get him out of his comfort.

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Speaker 2: Right, And that's a good car. So there's all these

541
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Speaker 2: little little things that are going on that I think

542
00:26:32,998 --> 00:26:37,158
Speaker 2: are quite interesting with that team. Tavirus, really interesting player,

543
00:26:37,198 --> 00:26:40,198
Speaker 2: the catcher texas him, he's really come up. And how

544
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Speaker 2: about the catch with the Diamondbacks. Wow, I mean I

545
00:26:43,278 --> 00:26:44,798
Speaker 2: look at that dude's eyes when he comes up to

546
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Speaker 2: the play. Was it Reno right?

547
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, he's Gabby Moreno.

548
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm telling you, man. I mean, so this this

549
00:26:51,398 --> 00:26:54,678
Speaker 2: is we really dig down. There's are some really interesting players,

550
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Speaker 2: and there's lots, like you said, a lot of you

551
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Speaker 2: on both sides that is really serving this well. And uh,

552
00:27:01,198 --> 00:27:03,198
Speaker 2: they're not going to be afraid. They're these Like I said,

553
00:27:03,198 --> 00:27:05,678
Speaker 2: if you come back and playoff games, you're not afraid,

554
00:27:05,838 --> 00:27:08,278
Speaker 2: You're not intimidated. You stayed in the present tense. I

555
00:27:08,358 --> 00:27:12,438
Speaker 2: heard I saw crem and Carroll and interviewed a video.

556
00:27:12,598 --> 00:27:16,038
Speaker 2: My god, he's what what is he twenty something, four

557
00:27:16,118 --> 00:27:18,398
Speaker 2: or five? Whatever? It is not at all when he

558
00:27:18,438 --> 00:27:20,878
Speaker 2: speaks not at all. So there's these guys are fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. I was going to ask you this.

560
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Speaker 1: You brought up Seeger to me. When I look at

561
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Speaker 1: a series, a lot of times I think, you know

562
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Speaker 1: which piece do you want to take off the board.

563
00:27:28,358 --> 00:27:30,438
Speaker 1: Usually there's one guy in a lineup you need to

564
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Speaker 1: circle and say. This guy is not beating us Garcia

565
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Speaker 1: right now. Obviously tremendously hot. I mean, he's on an

566
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Speaker 1: incredible streak. He's got twenty RBIs already in the postseason.

567
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Speaker 1: There is some swing and miss in this game. I

568
00:27:42,278 --> 00:27:46,918
Speaker 1: get that, but he is a dangerous, dangerous hitter right now.

569
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Speaker 1: And by the way, I think hopefully even you are

570
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Speaker 1: convinced now that the pitch from a Brady was not intentional.

571
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Speaker 1: He's got a beef with Maldonado. That was what it

572
00:27:55,558 --> 00:27:59,638
Speaker 1: was about. It wasn't about the pitch. But give MLB credit, though,

573
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Speaker 1: because I thought they were going to have a situation

574
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Speaker 1: where they were taking a guy off the field for

575
00:28:04,158 --> 00:28:06,318
Speaker 1: a game seven of an LCS. They deferred it to

576
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Speaker 1: next season. They got it right in the end. I

577
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Speaker 1: don't know why they had to rush to have a

578
00:28:10,238 --> 00:28:12,638
Speaker 1: hearing to suspend a guy for next year. But they did,

579
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Speaker 1: and the bottom line is they got it right. They

580
00:28:15,398 --> 00:28:17,238
Speaker 1: did the right thing, didn't affect the game, so we're

581
00:28:17,238 --> 00:28:20,478
Speaker 1: good about that. But yeah, Seeger Garcia, I'm with you

582
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Speaker 1: on Seeger. When I saw him at all home run

583
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Speaker 1: on the first pitch fastball up, I was like, are

584
00:28:24,198 --> 00:28:26,598
Speaker 1: you kidding me? How does that happen? It's like, you know,

585
00:28:26,638 --> 00:28:29,238
Speaker 1: doing it to well tuovey. I'm with you. I would

586
00:28:29,278 --> 00:28:32,358
Speaker 1: throw a tremendous amount of curveballs, chase curveballs. Don't try

587
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Speaker 1: to think you're going to sneak anything by him. He

588
00:28:34,758 --> 00:28:36,758
Speaker 1: is ready to hit from the time he wakes up

589
00:28:36,798 --> 00:28:38,638
Speaker 1: in the morning. And you're right, he doesn't miss a pitch.

590
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Speaker 1: But I think you got to account for Garcia right

591
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Speaker 1: now too, Joe. I think he's that dangerous right now.

592
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Speaker 1: He's he's a bright lights kind of guy. I think

593
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Speaker 1: he likes this atmosphere. He actually reminds me of Randy Rosina,

594
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Speaker 1: his buddy. They were roommates together in the Cardinal system.

595
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Speaker 1: How about that, Aroza, Raina and Garcia in the Cardinal

596
00:28:58,118 --> 00:29:00,598
Speaker 1: system together as roommates and they basically let both of

597
00:29:00,598 --> 00:29:04,358
Speaker 1: them go for nothing. But anyway, that's besides the point.

598
00:29:04,398 --> 00:29:06,398
Speaker 1: And then on Arizona, I look and I said, who's

599
00:29:06,398 --> 00:29:08,118
Speaker 1: the guy you really have to take off the board?

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Speaker 1: To me, it's Carol. He's just I don't want to

601
00:29:12,438 --> 00:29:15,078
Speaker 1: see that guy up there, because if he gets on base,

602
00:29:15,438 --> 00:29:19,318
Speaker 1: you know, it's a fire drill. Everybody's on edge once

603
00:29:19,358 --> 00:29:21,558
Speaker 1: he gets on base. He's the best base rutterer I

604
00:29:21,558 --> 00:29:23,598
Speaker 1: think I've seen this year. I know Dela Cruz at

605
00:29:23,598 --> 00:29:27,638
Speaker 1: Cincinnati is just amazingly probably literally the fastest guy in baseball,

606
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Speaker 1: But Corbyn Carroll, the way he's aggressive, the way he

607
00:29:30,358 --> 00:29:33,398
Speaker 1: cuts the bases, I just think he's got that Ricky

608
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Speaker 1: Henderson factor where you start missing pitches, you speed up

609
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Speaker 1: your delivery. I mean, he can affect a game just

610
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Speaker 1: by getting on base. So I'm going to go with

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Speaker 1: Garcia as the guy I really need to control, at

612
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Speaker 1: least from the onset. I need to stop him in

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Speaker 1: his tracks, don't keep him hot. I just basically wouldn't

614
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Speaker 1: pitch the Seger. And then on the other side, to me,

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00:29:51,438 --> 00:29:51,958
Speaker 1: it's Carol.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about two guys on each team, which

617
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Speaker 2: I kind of totally agree with with Seeger, he showed

618
00:29:59,158 --> 00:30:00,798
Speaker 2: me in Baltimore that he was willing to accept his

619
00:30:00,918 --> 00:30:04,598
Speaker 2: walks because they but the way Baltimore pitched him when

620
00:30:04,638 --> 00:30:09,118
Speaker 2: they weren't challenging him, the ball's are really non competitive pitches.

621
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Speaker 2: I think with him you need to make more tantalizing

622
00:30:12,238 --> 00:30:16,398
Speaker 2: pitches that are not good meaning not a strike you know,

623
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Speaker 2: strike the ball kind of pitches and not just ball

624
00:30:18,958 --> 00:30:21,038
Speaker 2: out of your handball the way kind of pitches. Because

625
00:30:21,038 --> 00:30:23,358
Speaker 2: I would really want to test his patience. I really

626
00:30:23,398 --> 00:30:27,078
Speaker 2: would want him to become exaggerated, exasperated with the fact

627
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Speaker 2: that we're not pitching him a So that's Seger for me. Garcia,

628
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Speaker 2: on the other hand, I think he's going to be

629
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Speaker 2: very eager, and I would test his patients. I would

630
00:30:36,398 --> 00:30:40,118
Speaker 2: stay strike ball on him as much as I possibly can.

631
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Speaker 2: I would, you know, fastballs elevated, elevated, and I think

632
00:30:44,038 --> 00:30:49,798
Speaker 2: that's the right place to go with him also, So Seeger, Yeah,

633
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Speaker 2: I just I just don't want to mess with him

634
00:30:51,638 --> 00:30:54,078
Speaker 2: at all. Garcia, you're going to find out early be

635
00:30:54,158 --> 00:30:56,518
Speaker 2: carried over to this series and then me you might

636
00:30:56,558 --> 00:30:58,918
Speaker 2: have to make an adjustment. But he's he's chased. I

637
00:30:58,918 --> 00:31:01,198
Speaker 2: would I would want Chase, Chase, Chase you want to

638
00:31:01,198 --> 00:31:04,158
Speaker 2: get ahead and go into Chase Moode with him. I

639
00:31:04,158 --> 00:31:05,918
Speaker 2: believe that's how I go. Look at him. The other

640
00:31:05,918 --> 00:31:09,998
Speaker 2: guy's Moreno and Carol See I agree. I mean, Carol's

641
00:31:10,038 --> 00:31:11,958
Speaker 2: just good. He's just really good, and he's a pin

642
00:31:12,078 --> 00:31:14,998
Speaker 2: of butt in all the best ways. And he's going

643
00:31:15,078 --> 00:31:17,198
Speaker 2: to accept his you know, his hits, and like he

644
00:31:17,238 --> 00:31:20,398
Speaker 2: did that base it up the middle against Suarez yesterday

645
00:31:20,478 --> 00:31:23,238
Speaker 2: or the day before. He's that guy. He's just really

646
00:31:23,278 --> 00:31:27,318
Speaker 2: a bright baseball player. Moreno to me is scary. He's

647
00:31:27,358 --> 00:31:29,038
Speaker 2: got this look man, and I tell you what, he

648
00:31:29,078 --> 00:31:34,638
Speaker 2: gets hot. Looks like he really gets more involvementally. So

649
00:31:34,758 --> 00:31:36,038
Speaker 2: what do you do? You take both of them? Why,

650
00:31:36,038 --> 00:31:40,398
Speaker 2: it's probably difficult to do that. I still think Moreno

651
00:31:40,638 --> 00:31:42,878
Speaker 2: in a big moment is there's there comes the home

652
00:31:42,958 --> 00:31:45,278
Speaker 2: runner ball in a gap off the wall, Carol, I

653
00:31:45,318 --> 00:31:48,238
Speaker 2: think the ball is going to be moved, So scary

654
00:31:48,278 --> 00:31:51,758
Speaker 2: wise Mareno and Seeger, but just be careful what you're

655
00:31:51,758 --> 00:31:53,238
Speaker 2: doing with Caroly and Garcia.

656
00:31:53,478 --> 00:31:55,358
Speaker 1: I just think it's so much fun, Joe, that the

657
00:31:55,398 --> 00:31:57,958
Speaker 1: things we talk about with these two Pennant winning teams

658
00:31:58,038 --> 00:32:00,718
Speaker 1: are things that you know, let's face it had gone

659
00:32:00,718 --> 00:32:03,278
Speaker 1: away for a while in this game. I'm talking about,

660
00:32:03,518 --> 00:32:06,238
Speaker 1: you know, being able to steal bases, run the bases,

661
00:32:06,278 --> 00:32:09,838
Speaker 1: get a bunt down, get a guy in. You know,

662
00:32:10,158 --> 00:32:13,118
Speaker 1: the veterans on the on the coaching staffs, especially the

663
00:32:13,118 --> 00:32:17,478
Speaker 1: pitching coaches, who just don't live by a formula. It's

664
00:32:17,518 --> 00:32:20,438
Speaker 1: just great to see this kind of baseball. And I

665
00:32:20,478 --> 00:32:22,998
Speaker 1: think both Chris Young and Mike Hasen have done just

666
00:32:22,998 --> 00:32:25,718
Speaker 1: an amazing job with both organizations to be open to

667
00:32:26,158 --> 00:32:28,678
Speaker 1: different ways to win a ball game, to put staffs together.

668
00:32:29,798 --> 00:32:29,998
Speaker 2: You know.

669
00:32:30,038 --> 00:32:32,598
Speaker 1: The really cool thing is, obviously both are from Princeton.

670
00:32:33,918 --> 00:32:36,238
Speaker 1: Chris Young went to Princeton on his recruiting visit that

671
00:32:36,278 --> 00:32:38,198
Speaker 1: he met the captain of the team, the senior captain

672
00:32:38,198 --> 00:32:40,638
Speaker 1: of that year, and that was Mike Hasen. They've been

673
00:32:40,638 --> 00:32:44,238
Speaker 1: really close all these years, and I just love I mean,

674
00:32:44,438 --> 00:32:46,798
Speaker 1: I walked into the Rangers camp in spring training this

675
00:32:46,918 --> 00:32:50,718
Speaker 1: year and I felt it. And listen again, I don't

676
00:32:50,758 --> 00:32:52,598
Speaker 1: know that they're gonna be a World Series team, but

677
00:32:52,678 --> 00:32:54,798
Speaker 1: in talking to Chris Young seeing the way they were

678
00:32:54,838 --> 00:32:57,918
Speaker 1: doing things, my goodness, Mike Maddix had the strings set

679
00:32:57,958 --> 00:33:01,038
Speaker 1: up on the bullpen mounts. Remember those strings that teams

680
00:33:01,158 --> 00:33:03,238
Speaker 1: was set up. I mean, I hadn't seen those in years,

681
00:33:04,798 --> 00:33:06,998
Speaker 1: and he you know, he hired Dayton Moore, he hired

682
00:33:07,078 --> 00:33:10,198
Speaker 1: Nick Hunley, he hired Mike Maddox. He brought in these

683
00:33:10,198 --> 00:33:13,118
Speaker 1: guys with a lot of experience and listen, they've got

684
00:33:13,118 --> 00:33:15,678
Speaker 1: all the bells and whistles in terms of technology and analytics,

685
00:33:15,678 --> 00:33:19,718
Speaker 1: there's no question about it. But he also understands there's

686
00:33:19,758 --> 00:33:22,278
Speaker 1: a feel and who's got better field than Bruce Bochi.

687
00:33:22,358 --> 00:33:24,958
Speaker 1: The manager of this team, Tory Lavello is an old

688
00:33:24,998 --> 00:33:28,398
Speaker 1: school soul. It's just cool to see, you know. Last

689
00:33:28,398 --> 00:33:30,718
Speaker 1: thing on that Joe and Chris Young, I asked him

690
00:33:30,718 --> 00:33:35,478
Speaker 1: about how they distill analytical information and he said he

691
00:33:35,598 --> 00:33:39,958
Speaker 1: makes sure that he tells his analysts. One guy is

692
00:33:39,998 --> 00:33:42,598
Speaker 1: going to present the information, he said. I don't want

693
00:33:42,598 --> 00:33:44,678
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys. He told him in spring training.

694
00:33:44,918 --> 00:33:47,118
Speaker 1: If you don't have business in that clubhouse, I don't

695
00:33:47,158 --> 00:33:48,478
Speaker 1: want to see you in the lunch room. I don't

696
00:33:48,478 --> 00:33:49,878
Speaker 1: want to see you in the clubhouse. I don't want

697
00:33:49,878 --> 00:33:51,198
Speaker 1: to see you in the trainer's room. I don't want

698
00:33:51,198 --> 00:33:53,398
Speaker 1: to see you in the manager's office unless you have

699
00:33:53,518 --> 00:33:56,518
Speaker 1: something specific to bring you in there. And when it

700
00:33:56,558 --> 00:33:58,838
Speaker 1: comes time to going over scouting reports, and you have

701
00:33:58,958 --> 00:34:03,078
Speaker 1: all that analytic information, there's one guy who's in there

702
00:34:03,118 --> 00:34:05,798
Speaker 1: all the time in terms of presenting some of this information.

703
00:34:06,758 --> 00:34:10,558
Speaker 1: Who presents that information. It's not five six guys taking

704
00:34:10,638 --> 00:34:12,358
Speaker 1: over the physical space at the clubhouse.

705
00:34:12,558 --> 00:34:12,798
Speaker 2: You know.

706
00:34:12,918 --> 00:34:16,038
Speaker 1: Obviously, Chris being a former player, he realizes how important

707
00:34:16,078 --> 00:34:18,598
Speaker 1: that physical space is to have the players feel like

708
00:34:18,638 --> 00:34:21,718
Speaker 1: it's their own. So listen, I don't want to overstate it.

709
00:34:21,718 --> 00:34:23,598
Speaker 1: It's not like these guys are going back in time

710
00:34:23,678 --> 00:34:28,238
Speaker 1: and dismissing anything analytic. They're not. But I think both

711
00:34:28,318 --> 00:34:31,518
Speaker 1: these organizations have done a really good job balancing things. Yeah,

712
00:34:31,518 --> 00:34:34,078
Speaker 1: and that's a credit to Mike Hays and and and

713
00:34:34,238 --> 00:34:36,198
Speaker 1: to Chris Young. When you were empowered to do that,

714
00:34:37,318 --> 00:34:38,958
Speaker 1: it shows a man.

715
00:34:39,158 --> 00:34:41,398
Speaker 2: I mean, And I got to know see why pretty

716
00:34:41,398 --> 00:34:45,638
Speaker 2: well during the COVID era, and we would be on

717
00:34:45,678 --> 00:34:50,078
Speaker 2: the phone a lot of actually got a file within

718
00:34:50,158 --> 00:34:53,238
Speaker 2: my email just my conversations with him during that time.

719
00:34:53,598 --> 00:34:56,278
Speaker 2: I'm so pleased when he got this opportunity. He's that good.

720
00:34:56,758 --> 00:35:00,478
Speaker 2: And what you just told me is not surprising whatsoever.

721
00:35:00,918 --> 00:35:03,438
Speaker 2: The fact that he dictated exactly how this is going

722
00:35:03,478 --> 00:35:05,398
Speaker 2: to be done. And what he said and how he's

723
00:35:05,438 --> 00:35:07,238
Speaker 2: doing it to me is absolutely the right way to

724
00:35:07,238 --> 00:35:09,878
Speaker 2: do it. I think what's going to happen with the

725
00:35:09,918 --> 00:35:14,238
Speaker 2: success of both of these teams, uh and whoever really wins,

726
00:35:14,318 --> 00:35:16,598
Speaker 2: and there's going to be an analytical shift. In general,

727
00:35:17,238 --> 00:35:20,478
Speaker 2: analytics is very flexible. It's not it's not this perfect

728
00:35:20,838 --> 00:35:24,278
Speaker 2: method of doing things that you pick up analytics for

729
00:35:24,318 --> 00:35:25,558
Speaker 2: dummies and you read the book and all of a

730
00:35:25,598 --> 00:35:29,918
Speaker 2: sudden you could be an analysis analyst. My point is

731
00:35:29,918 --> 00:35:32,278
Speaker 2: that whatever works for the team that wins, and to

732
00:35:32,318 --> 00:35:34,678
Speaker 2: say that Diamondbacks win, you're going to see a greater

733
00:35:34,758 --> 00:35:38,358
Speaker 2: shift in base running based dealing moving runners. You're going

734
00:35:38,398 --> 00:35:41,038
Speaker 2: to see a more like literally small ball kind of

735
00:35:41,038 --> 00:35:45,358
Speaker 2: a method. And that's the analytics that the organization is

736
00:35:45,398 --> 00:35:50,998
Speaker 2: going to create is going to dictate to be dictated

737
00:35:51,038 --> 00:35:54,078
Speaker 2: by these different elements in the game and not just

738
00:35:54,118 --> 00:35:55,718
Speaker 2: the home run and this write out in the walk.

739
00:35:56,118 --> 00:35:59,878
Speaker 2: So I'm very curious about this. Analytics is, like I said,

740
00:35:59,918 --> 00:36:03,518
Speaker 2: very flexible, is fluid, it's not this perfect science. So

741
00:36:04,478 --> 00:36:06,838
Speaker 2: I think just based on even just how far the

742
00:36:06,838 --> 00:36:10,558
Speaker 2: Diamondbacks have gotten this year, it's going to influence impact

743
00:36:10,638 --> 00:36:14,678
Speaker 2: analytical methods because then the numbers that are generated are

744
00:36:14,718 --> 00:36:17,678
Speaker 2: generated because of the different weight that you apply to

745
00:36:17,718 --> 00:36:21,358
Speaker 2: each thing you're jumpting to break down. So I'm curious

746
00:36:21,358 --> 00:36:24,678
Speaker 2: about that. I'd be wonderful to really see the game,

747
00:36:25,078 --> 00:36:26,838
Speaker 2: to say, let's just say the game and the analytical

748
00:36:26,918 --> 00:36:32,558
Speaker 2: world become one become embraced into a situation where the

749
00:36:32,558 --> 00:36:36,318
Speaker 2: word analytics primarily is the problem. It's not actually analytics themselves,

750
00:36:37,078 --> 00:36:39,518
Speaker 2: the numbers that that we all want, that we've wanted

751
00:36:39,518 --> 00:36:42,118
Speaker 2: that for years, that's not the problem. It's the word,

752
00:36:42,198 --> 00:36:46,918
Speaker 2: the name, the analytics, and with that interference in the clubhouse.

753
00:36:46,918 --> 00:36:50,838
Speaker 2: Too many guys downstairs, too much information, people that have

754
00:36:50,878 --> 00:36:54,558
Speaker 2: never done it before running these meetings as opposed to

755
00:36:54,598 --> 00:36:57,118
Speaker 2: people that have done it for fifteen, twenty thirty years.

756
00:36:57,518 --> 00:37:01,078
Speaker 2: That's the problem. It's not the information. The problem is

757
00:37:02,518 --> 00:37:05,718
Speaker 2: the analytical world and how it wants to present and interfere.

758
00:37:06,078 --> 00:37:07,558
Speaker 2: It's not the information itself.

759
00:37:07,758 --> 00:37:11,038
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I'm an organization, I'm telling my scouts go

760
00:37:11,078 --> 00:37:13,358
Speaker 1: find me. Corbyn. Carroll's out there, you know, give me

761
00:37:13,398 --> 00:37:15,438
Speaker 1: you guys who can run, you can defend, and the

762
00:37:15,518 --> 00:37:17,958
Speaker 1: lefties don't bother him and listen. He's a special player.

763
00:37:17,998 --> 00:37:20,078
Speaker 1: I get that, but I'm talking about a skilled package

764
00:37:20,078 --> 00:37:23,118
Speaker 1: now rather than putting you know, some refrigerators out there

765
00:37:23,158 --> 00:37:25,158
Speaker 1: who can play defense and a shift and you know,

766
00:37:25,278 --> 00:37:28,558
Speaker 1: worry about three true outcomes. Give you guys who can move,

767
00:37:28,758 --> 00:37:31,158
Speaker 1: move the baseball, and move on the bases. And that's Arizona.

768
00:37:31,238 --> 00:37:33,318
Speaker 1: It should be a fun series to watch because of that,

769
00:37:33,398 --> 00:37:36,198
Speaker 1: the style of play. I think it makes her very

770
00:37:36,318 --> 00:37:39,278
Speaker 1: entertaining baseball. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll talk

771
00:37:39,318 --> 00:37:41,758
Speaker 1: about the managers, of course, and some of the managerial

772
00:37:41,878 --> 00:37:44,478
Speaker 1: changes and openings going on around the game. There's a

773
00:37:44,558 --> 00:37:58,118
Speaker 1: lot and we'll dive into that next thing. All right, Joe,

774
00:37:58,198 --> 00:38:01,238
Speaker 1: You've you've managed against Bruce Bochie. I mean, what is

775
00:38:01,278 --> 00:38:04,318
Speaker 1: it about this guy? I mean he has won get this,

776
00:38:04,838 --> 00:38:10,678
Speaker 1: fourteen of his last fifteen postseason series. He is undefeated

777
00:38:11,238 --> 00:38:14,518
Speaker 1: in winner take all games. He has the best record

778
00:38:14,598 --> 00:38:17,158
Speaker 1: of all time and managers in one run games in

779
00:38:17,198 --> 00:38:19,838
Speaker 1: the postseason. You know, he's out of the game for

780
00:38:19,878 --> 00:38:21,838
Speaker 1: a few years. He shows up in Texas and they're

781
00:38:21,838 --> 00:38:24,798
Speaker 1: in their World Series. I mean, come on, this guy

782
00:38:24,958 --> 00:38:28,118
Speaker 1: is he's got the magic touch. So you've managed against him?

783
00:38:28,158 --> 00:38:29,038
Speaker 1: What is it about Boach?

784
00:38:29,478 --> 00:38:32,798
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the thing is with Boach just you

785
00:38:32,958 --> 00:38:35,678
Speaker 2: have to stay ahead. You have to first of all

786
00:38:36,118 --> 00:38:38,198
Speaker 2: think with him and stay ahead of his thought process

787
00:38:38,198 --> 00:38:40,118
Speaker 2: if you can, and one number two, then you have

788
00:38:40,158 --> 00:38:43,758
Speaker 2: to have the appropriate pieces within your group in order

789
00:38:43,798 --> 00:38:46,398
Speaker 2: to counteract whatever he wants to do. Whether it's a

790
00:38:46,438 --> 00:38:49,198
Speaker 2: pinch hitter, primarily would be a pinch hitter because the

791
00:38:49,198 --> 00:38:53,398
Speaker 2: moves are primarily based on bullpen management. The moves aren't

792
00:38:53,438 --> 00:38:57,638
Speaker 2: necessarily based on their side pinch hitting, and the moves

793
00:38:57,678 --> 00:39:02,918
Speaker 2: aren't necessarily these unique defenses or like you're talking, we're

794
00:39:02,918 --> 00:39:05,998
Speaker 2: talking about the base running, hit and runs, you know,

795
00:39:06,318 --> 00:39:09,798
Speaker 2: whether safety, schee whatever, It's not about that. The primary

796
00:39:09,838 --> 00:39:13,158
Speaker 2: genius with him, I think is in game bullpen management

797
00:39:13,238 --> 00:39:16,118
Speaker 2: and staying ahead and having the appropriate pieces to do

798
00:39:16,158 --> 00:39:18,958
Speaker 2: that with. And then I think that he just engenders

799
00:39:18,998 --> 00:39:23,358
Speaker 2: this real calm among this group. He is the Marlborough man.

800
00:39:23,438 --> 00:39:26,198
Speaker 2: He is John Wayne. He walks out to the mount.

801
00:39:26,278 --> 00:39:28,918
Speaker 2: He's hurting, but he gets out there and he's very

802
00:39:28,958 --> 00:39:33,118
Speaker 2: direct and short of what he's doing and how he's doing,

803
00:39:33,158 --> 00:39:35,918
Speaker 2: and I think the players feel all of that. So

804
00:39:36,518 --> 00:39:39,158
Speaker 2: it's not like there's a super genius in the game

805
00:39:39,198 --> 00:39:42,638
Speaker 2: itself regarding a bunch of different things. But I think

806
00:39:42,678 --> 00:39:45,878
Speaker 2: he appeals to a wide audience regarding the players and

807
00:39:46,038 --> 00:39:48,078
Speaker 2: how they when he talks to them. Kind of an

808
00:39:48,078 --> 00:39:50,798
Speaker 2: impressive figure, so they're going to listen to what he

809
00:39:50,838 --> 00:39:55,198
Speaker 2: has to say. But in game, in order to combat

810
00:39:55,278 --> 00:39:58,278
Speaker 2: him in a sense, you have to have pieces, enough pieces,

811
00:39:58,758 --> 00:40:04,438
Speaker 2: I would say, primarily to hopefully get the attune advantage,

812
00:40:04,558 --> 00:40:07,238
Speaker 2: as they say, somehow with the relief pictures that he's

813
00:40:07,238 --> 00:40:08,638
Speaker 2: going to bring in, because he's going to bring in

814
00:40:08,678 --> 00:40:11,518
Speaker 2: the correct relief picture to pitch to your better guy

815
00:40:11,718 --> 00:40:14,838
Speaker 2: or the hot guy in a situation, because he's going

816
00:40:14,838 --> 00:40:15,918
Speaker 2: to be in advance of the moment.

817
00:40:16,918 --> 00:40:19,798
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you hit all the things that I've seen,

818
00:40:20,078 --> 00:40:22,798
Speaker 1: especially bullpen management. He's so good. You know where Rob

819
00:40:22,878 --> 00:40:26,398
Speaker 1: Thompson stayed on, Craig Kimberroll probably game too long. You

820
00:40:26,558 --> 00:40:29,438
Speaker 1: saw Bruce Bochi get off a role as Chapman. You know,

821
00:40:29,558 --> 00:40:32,958
Speaker 1: he had spores in the game to pitch to Jordan

822
00:40:33,038 --> 00:40:35,238
Speaker 1: Alvarez instead of Chapman and it was the right thing

823
00:40:35,238 --> 00:40:37,038
Speaker 1: to do. So he's not afraid if you got a

824
00:40:37,118 --> 00:40:38,558
Speaker 1: veteran guy, it's the right thing to do. He's going

825
00:40:38,598 --> 00:40:41,678
Speaker 1: to make the move. Yeah, he has this he doesn't

826
00:40:41,718 --> 00:40:44,718
Speaker 1: miss anything in the dugout. He's just on top of things.

827
00:40:44,758 --> 00:40:47,358
Speaker 1: So I think he to me, he's a tough guy

828
00:40:47,398 --> 00:40:50,838
Speaker 1: to manage against. On the other side, Tory Lavello. You

829
00:40:50,838 --> 00:40:53,478
Speaker 1: know when I saw him but down one on the

830
00:40:53,558 --> 00:40:56,278
Speaker 1: road in the postseason, that told me a lot. That

831
00:40:56,398 --> 00:40:58,678
Speaker 1: told me he's he's going to do what he thinks

832
00:40:58,798 --> 00:41:02,638
Speaker 1: is right. Players love playing for Tory. He's got a

833
00:41:02,638 --> 00:41:07,158
Speaker 1: great relationship with Mike. Back to the Boston days, when

834
00:41:07,158 --> 00:41:09,078
Speaker 1: I see a team like Arizona, I'm sure Joe you

835
00:41:09,518 --> 00:41:12,078
Speaker 1: see this and to me, it reminds me of your

836
00:41:12,158 --> 00:41:15,478
Speaker 1: raised team back in eight. You can see when a

837
00:41:15,558 --> 00:41:19,638
Speaker 1: team has bought in where they believe that they are

838
00:41:19,678 --> 00:41:21,438
Speaker 1: going to win, not just think they're going to win,

839
00:41:21,478 --> 00:41:23,638
Speaker 1: but truly believe even if they're in the situation no

840
00:41:23,678 --> 00:41:26,238
Speaker 1: one expected, at least on the outside. And I think

841
00:41:26,238 --> 00:41:29,558
Speaker 1: Torre has had the ability to have his team buy

842
00:41:29,638 --> 00:41:32,758
Speaker 1: in and right now they're dangerous because they believe or

843
00:41:32,798 --> 00:41:34,678
Speaker 1: they know they're a really good team.

844
00:41:34,878 --> 00:41:37,158
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that you just you hit on something

845
00:41:37,158 --> 00:41:40,558
Speaker 2: there inadvertently. The union between the manager and the general

846
00:41:40,598 --> 00:41:43,638
Speaker 2: manager is so important. I had it with that I

847
00:41:43,678 --> 00:41:46,238
Speaker 2: had it with Andrew, and I had it with Dio

848
00:41:46,558 --> 00:41:49,838
Speaker 2: in Chicago. And when you have that, when you truly

849
00:41:50,118 --> 00:41:51,998
Speaker 2: when you're in the daggat and you truly know whomever

850
00:41:52,718 --> 00:41:55,358
Speaker 2: is watching from upstairs is we're on the same page,

851
00:41:55,398 --> 00:41:57,918
Speaker 2: He's got your back. All those kind of things, you

852
00:41:57,998 --> 00:42:02,638
Speaker 2: make decisions, uh, in a more blink like manner and

853
00:42:02,638 --> 00:42:05,198
Speaker 2: a more in a in the moment kind of a manner, intuitively,

854
00:42:05,718 --> 00:42:11,038
Speaker 2: because you're not worried about conversations afterwards. You're You're just

855
00:42:11,038 --> 00:42:13,638
Speaker 2: worried about trying to make the right move in the moment.

856
00:42:13,718 --> 00:42:17,958
Speaker 2: I totally believe the fact the way see why researched

857
00:42:18,158 --> 00:42:21,238
Speaker 2: Boach and brought him back. He had that from day one.

858
00:42:21,558 --> 00:42:25,118
Speaker 2: When you have that feeling, that thought, that that again,

859
00:42:25,238 --> 00:42:30,278
Speaker 2: that union, Wow, it matters so much in regard to

860
00:42:30,598 --> 00:42:32,958
Speaker 2: just how you process the day, how you live the day,

861
00:42:32,958 --> 00:42:36,918
Speaker 2: how you think the day, and the conversations can actually

862
00:42:36,918 --> 00:42:39,478
Speaker 2: become more difficult or harsher in a sense, because you

863
00:42:39,518 --> 00:42:41,958
Speaker 2: can argue a little bit, you can disagree because you

864
00:42:42,038 --> 00:42:44,518
Speaker 2: know you're working from the same sheet of music. Same

865
00:42:44,558 --> 00:42:50,398
Speaker 2: thing with Tori and Arizona, these guys are definitely in lockstep.

866
00:42:50,478 --> 00:42:54,478
Speaker 2: They actually have the same philosophies on things, but I'm

867
00:42:54,518 --> 00:42:56,918
Speaker 2: betting they're not afraid to disagree and argue back and

868
00:42:56,958 --> 00:42:59,678
Speaker 2: forth with one another, because I think that is so healthy.

869
00:42:59,718 --> 00:43:02,478
Speaker 2: I had that, definitely had that with Andrew, had it

870
00:43:02,518 --> 00:43:05,238
Speaker 2: with THEO for a while, and Arizona was trying to

871
00:43:05,318 --> 00:43:07,478
Speaker 2: nurture that. I mean, excuse me, Anaheim was trying to

872
00:43:07,558 --> 00:43:09,398
Speaker 2: nurture that. We never had enough time to really get

873
00:43:09,398 --> 00:43:11,918
Speaker 2: to that point. But I think that's what you're seeing

874
00:43:12,758 --> 00:43:17,758
Speaker 2: with these two organizations, the definite union between the manager

875
00:43:17,798 --> 00:43:20,398
Speaker 2: and the general manager, and how that matters so much

876
00:43:20,478 --> 00:43:24,078
Speaker 2: regarding how things operate in the clubhouse. And that makes

877
00:43:24,278 --> 00:43:27,438
Speaker 2: my goodness, that makes everything I don't know right word

878
00:43:27,518 --> 00:43:29,238
Speaker 2: is easier, but it definitely makes it better.

879
00:43:29,838 --> 00:43:32,438
Speaker 1: Great, great point. I mean, listen, I hadn't thought about

880
00:43:32,438 --> 00:43:34,838
Speaker 1: it until you went into really depth there, but it's true.

881
00:43:34,918 --> 00:43:38,878
Speaker 1: It's the most important relationship in baseball. And Chris Young

882
00:43:38,878 --> 00:43:41,758
Speaker 1: when he hired Bruce Bochi said I'm not hiring you

883
00:43:41,838 --> 00:43:43,718
Speaker 1: because I played for you. Because they were together in

884
00:43:43,758 --> 00:43:46,638
Speaker 1: San Diego. I believe I'm not hiring you because I

885
00:43:46,678 --> 00:43:49,558
Speaker 1: played for you. I'm hiring you because you're the best manager.

886
00:43:50,158 --> 00:43:53,238
Speaker 1: You're the best manager for this team, and it shows

887
00:43:53,758 --> 00:43:57,478
Speaker 1: Dusty Baker he's hanging it up as far as managing

888
00:43:57,518 --> 00:44:00,478
Speaker 1: twenty six years, managing just an unbelievable career, a Hall

889
00:44:00,518 --> 00:44:02,598
Speaker 1: of fame resume. I don't know what's going to happen

890
00:44:02,678 --> 00:44:05,558
Speaker 1: with that Houston job, Joe. They may go external. I

891
00:44:05,558 --> 00:44:09,318
Speaker 1: think the influence that Craig Bigio and Jeff Bagwell have

892
00:44:09,398 --> 00:44:11,998
Speaker 1: in that organization right now tends me to believe that

893
00:44:13,078 --> 00:44:15,318
Speaker 1: they want they want a strong name, they want someone

894
00:44:15,358 --> 00:44:18,158
Speaker 1: with experience as well. I don't think if they're looking for,

895
00:44:18,518 --> 00:44:20,958
Speaker 1: you know, a guy out of analytics school, some young guy,

896
00:44:21,038 --> 00:44:24,318
Speaker 1: the next hot shot, I think they should lean out experience.

897
00:44:25,598 --> 00:44:28,558
Speaker 1: I think that run for the Astros is getting near

898
00:44:28,678 --> 00:44:31,278
Speaker 1: its end only because of some of the contracts they

899
00:44:31,278 --> 00:44:33,718
Speaker 1: have with guys like l Tuve and Bregman coming up.

900
00:44:34,078 --> 00:44:37,038
Speaker 1: We'll see he never count out that team. But that's

901
00:44:37,238 --> 00:44:40,798
Speaker 1: an interesting opening. You've got San Diego. Now, how about

902
00:44:40,838 --> 00:44:44,158
Speaker 1: Bob Melman was under contract to the Padres and they said, yeah, sure,

903
00:44:44,198 --> 00:44:46,518
Speaker 1: go ahead and talk to the giants. Obviously that must

904
00:44:46,518 --> 00:44:51,238
Speaker 1: have been in place, and they jumped on Bob Melvin. Listen,

905
00:44:51,598 --> 00:44:54,038
Speaker 1: no secret that when we talk about You just talked

906
00:44:54,038 --> 00:44:56,358
Speaker 1: about the relationship between the manager and the gm right.

907
00:44:56,598 --> 00:44:58,758
Speaker 1: It was not good, folks, It was not good in

908
00:44:58,798 --> 00:45:02,158
Speaker 1: San Diego. They were bringing Bob Melvin back only because

909
00:45:02,158 --> 00:45:04,118
Speaker 1: he was under contract for next year. They didn't want

910
00:45:04,118 --> 00:45:06,638
Speaker 1: to pay him to go away. So when the Giants

911
00:45:06,678 --> 00:45:08,878
Speaker 1: came around and they said, oh you want to take him,

912
00:45:08,918 --> 00:45:11,318
Speaker 1: take them. So I think San Diego is going to

913
00:45:11,318 --> 00:45:14,518
Speaker 1: go young and cheap when it comes to the manager job.

914
00:45:15,118 --> 00:45:18,398
Speaker 1: Maybe that's Ryan Flaherty, which we all know. He's back

915
00:45:18,438 --> 00:45:23,958
Speaker 1: to Baltimore Day's connections with Manny Machado, so that's interesting there.

916
00:45:23,998 --> 00:45:26,358
Speaker 1: And then you've got Craig Counsel out there interviewing with

917
00:45:26,398 --> 00:45:29,758
Speaker 1: the New York Mets, which is not a surprise. I

918
00:45:29,838 --> 00:45:32,358
Speaker 1: don't know what Craig really wants in his heart of hearts.

919
00:45:32,558 --> 00:45:34,998
Speaker 1: Does he want the big contract, does he want a

920
00:45:34,998 --> 00:45:38,038
Speaker 1: big market. He's the guy obviously grew up in Milwaukee,

921
00:45:38,478 --> 00:45:41,558
Speaker 1: around the Milwaukee area, and he's looking to leave. It

922
00:45:41,598 --> 00:45:44,678
Speaker 1: sounds like so difficult to know. I don't think the

923
00:45:44,718 --> 00:45:46,878
Speaker 1: Mets are a great fit for Craig Council for a

924
00:45:46,878 --> 00:45:48,998
Speaker 1: lot of reasons. But the fact is the Mets, we

925
00:45:49,038 --> 00:45:50,558
Speaker 1: know can put a lot of money on the table,

926
00:45:50,598 --> 00:45:52,998
Speaker 1: and if that's what he wants, the Mets can satisfy him.

927
00:45:53,598 --> 00:45:55,798
Speaker 1: So a lot churning in the waters here. I know

928
00:45:55,878 --> 00:45:58,638
Speaker 1: Cleveland had talked about Craig Council, which would be a

929
00:45:58,678 --> 00:46:02,318
Speaker 1: great fit. But are they going to pay him? I

930
00:46:02,398 --> 00:46:05,638
Speaker 1: don't know they were paying Terry Frank Honor pretty well.

931
00:46:05,998 --> 00:46:09,078
Speaker 1: So a lot going on. So Joe's that's the landscape.

932
00:46:09,158 --> 00:46:11,758
Speaker 1: Give me your take on it and your perspective, and

933
00:46:11,878 --> 00:46:13,398
Speaker 1: maybe there's a fit for you out there.

934
00:46:13,558 --> 00:46:17,918
Speaker 2: Well. First of all, I think with Craig, this is

935
00:46:17,958 --> 00:46:21,758
Speaker 2: an opportunity, probably once in a lifetime as a manager,

936
00:46:21,918 --> 00:46:26,158
Speaker 2: that he could really set up his family for years

937
00:46:26,158 --> 00:46:29,158
Speaker 2: to come in forever pretty much. So he needs to

938
00:46:29,198 --> 00:46:32,758
Speaker 2: consider that. I think if in fact, he can get

939
00:46:33,238 --> 00:46:39,638
Speaker 2: a very similar contract in Milwaukee or Cleveland in comparison

940
00:46:39,638 --> 00:46:40,878
Speaker 2: to what he could get for the Mets, I think

941
00:46:40,878 --> 00:46:43,318
Speaker 2: he would take that. I don't think he he's gonna

942
00:46:43,318 --> 00:46:46,118
Speaker 2: want to walk into New York under those circumstances everything

943
00:46:46,158 --> 00:46:50,798
Speaker 2: going on there, unless it's such a disparate difference between

944
00:46:50,798 --> 00:46:54,318
Speaker 2: the amount of money paid by those smaller market teams

945
00:46:54,678 --> 00:46:57,398
Speaker 2: compared to the large market team. Just you know, I,

946
00:46:57,558 --> 00:46:59,678
Speaker 2: you know, just for a couple three four years maybe

947
00:46:59,718 --> 00:47:02,678
Speaker 2: something like that. He's always going to get all the

948
00:47:02,678 --> 00:47:05,438
Speaker 2: resources necessary to win right there. But then again you

949
00:47:05,438 --> 00:47:08,758
Speaker 2: have to you have to also include the daily grind

950
00:47:08,878 --> 00:47:10,718
Speaker 2: of plant, you know, managing the mats of the New

951
00:47:10,758 --> 00:47:14,438
Speaker 2: York media, the expectations, all the pressure, whatever you want

952
00:47:14,438 --> 00:47:17,958
Speaker 2: to describe it as. So I think that there's going

953
00:47:17,998 --> 00:47:20,238
Speaker 2: to be some kind of a sliding scale there based

954
00:47:20,238 --> 00:47:23,598
Speaker 2: on the amount of money being offered and compared to

955
00:47:24,238 --> 00:47:27,918
Speaker 2: you know, the more similar lifestyle that he's left lift

956
00:47:27,958 --> 00:47:30,678
Speaker 2: to this point or taking on kind of a beast

957
00:47:30,878 --> 00:47:33,598
Speaker 2: situation where he's never been through this before as a manager.

958
00:47:33,678 --> 00:47:37,038
Speaker 2: So when you're able to set your family up and

959
00:47:37,038 --> 00:47:39,678
Speaker 2: I'm talking from experience with the Rays versus the Cubs,

960
00:47:40,158 --> 00:47:41,798
Speaker 2: I had to do that. I had to do that

961
00:47:41,838 --> 00:47:43,718
Speaker 2: because I was sixty or sixty one at that time.

962
00:47:43,758 --> 00:47:46,438
Speaker 2: He's in his early fifties, which provides, you know, a

963
00:47:46,478 --> 00:47:50,278
Speaker 2: longer window in regards to make it earning money, But

964
00:47:50,438 --> 00:47:51,798
Speaker 2: does he want to do it that long? So all

965
00:47:51,838 --> 00:47:54,078
Speaker 2: these things would be a consideration for him. He's going

966
00:47:54,078 --> 00:47:56,398
Speaker 2: to be attractive to everybody, so it's going to be

967
00:47:56,438 --> 00:48:01,038
Speaker 2: his choice, and what it's motivating him right now. That's

968
00:48:01,118 --> 00:48:04,878
Speaker 2: going to be very strong consideration. And also the advice

969
00:48:04,918 --> 00:48:07,398
Speaker 2: he's getting out from his agent, his family, whatever, also

970
00:48:07,398 --> 00:48:10,198
Speaker 2: is going to play into it. The Dusty situation, I

971
00:48:10,238 --> 00:48:12,078
Speaker 2: don't blame him. I think he's he's you know, he's

972
00:48:12,118 --> 00:48:14,438
Speaker 2: done everything he possibly could there. I think he did

973
00:48:14,478 --> 00:48:16,678
Speaker 2: a great job. He was he was the right man

974
00:48:16,718 --> 00:48:20,558
Speaker 2: for the moment. They did well by choosing him, and uh,

975
00:48:20,598 --> 00:48:23,398
Speaker 2: there's he has other interests and that's that. I could

976
00:48:23,438 --> 00:48:26,558
Speaker 2: say that from experience too. The other interest component matters.

977
00:48:26,838 --> 00:48:29,358
Speaker 2: If you have something, you just can't just stop doing

978
00:48:29,358 --> 00:48:32,958
Speaker 2: something and kind of be bored. Uh, you know, because

979
00:48:32,998 --> 00:48:36,038
Speaker 2: they have nothing else that I'm really really compassionate about

980
00:48:36,118 --> 00:48:39,238
Speaker 2: or passionate about. Yeah, you have to be able to

981
00:48:39,878 --> 00:48:41,918
Speaker 2: have that to slide back into, and I know Dusty

982
00:48:41,958 --> 00:48:43,918
Speaker 2: does that. So that's going to be an easy transition

983
00:48:43,998 --> 00:48:47,038
Speaker 2: for him. I think so Cleveland, I don't know what's

984
00:48:47,078 --> 00:48:49,438
Speaker 2: going on there. San Diego, I agree. I agree they're

985
00:48:49,478 --> 00:48:52,238
Speaker 2: gonna They're gonna probably go something young. The fact that

986
00:48:52,278 --> 00:48:54,638
Speaker 2: he's had so many different managers over a short period

987
00:48:54,638 --> 00:48:57,958
Speaker 2: of time. He wants to he's gonna have to. I

988
00:48:57,998 --> 00:49:00,118
Speaker 2: think AJ is gonna have to find somebody that he

989
00:49:00,238 --> 00:49:04,878
Speaker 2: really can be mentally in lockstep with Philly philosophs that

990
00:49:04,958 --> 00:49:07,598
Speaker 2: they he knows this, he's not, they're not. It's not

991
00:49:07,638 --> 00:49:10,038
Speaker 2: a wondering is this going to work? I know this

992
00:49:10,118 --> 00:49:12,638
Speaker 2: is going to work out based on my relationship with

993
00:49:12,678 --> 00:49:15,118
Speaker 2: whomember this person is going into this moment. I think

994
00:49:15,158 --> 00:49:17,438
Speaker 2: that's going to be important. I think there's a certain

995
00:49:17,478 --> 00:49:19,958
Speaker 2: amount of control that he's going to want over this

996
00:49:20,078 --> 00:49:24,918
Speaker 2: the manager's seat. And again, a younger guy that he

997
00:49:24,958 --> 00:49:27,518
Speaker 2: can grow with, literally, I think is going to be important.

998
00:49:28,078 --> 00:49:34,198
Speaker 2: So for me, any any kind of direct relationship for me,

999
00:49:34,318 --> 00:49:37,558
Speaker 2: something that really looks as a good fit for me,

1000
00:49:37,598 --> 00:49:41,158
Speaker 2: I don't know. I really don't know, because again, everything

1001
00:49:41,158 --> 00:49:46,158
Speaker 2: we've been talking about is there's such a real threading

1002
00:49:46,158 --> 00:49:48,078
Speaker 2: of a needle that needs to be done. The fact

1003
00:49:48,078 --> 00:49:49,998
Speaker 2: that Bobby went all the way up to San Francisco,

1004
00:49:50,038 --> 00:49:52,758
Speaker 2: obviously there was there wasn't going to work in San Diego.

1005
00:49:53,078 --> 00:49:54,838
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I just don't know how I'm

1006
00:49:54,918 --> 00:49:59,678
Speaker 2: viewed from outside looking in. You know, a couple of

1007
00:49:59,758 --> 00:50:01,278
Speaker 2: years ago, it would have been easy to say, yes,

1008
00:50:01,398 --> 00:50:03,958
Speaker 2: I was going to just jump on something new and

1009
00:50:03,958 --> 00:50:06,478
Speaker 2: and different, and I'm ready to go. But I've said

1010
00:50:06,478 --> 00:50:09,358
Speaker 2: it before, and I don't know just conversationally, how I

1011
00:50:09,358 --> 00:50:12,038
Speaker 2: would be appealing to somebody else. It would have to

1012
00:50:12,078 --> 00:50:14,878
Speaker 2: be would it require going into an office or whatever,

1013
00:50:15,038 --> 00:50:18,878
Speaker 2: sitting down and talking. But it has to be the

1014
00:50:18,998 --> 00:50:21,358
Speaker 2: draw's got to be from that site to me as

1015
00:50:21,358 --> 00:50:23,558
Speaker 2: opposed to me to them. I'd have to hear that first,

1016
00:50:23,598 --> 00:50:25,518
Speaker 2: because that's the only way this is going to work

1017
00:50:25,518 --> 00:50:25,718
Speaker 2: for me.

1018
00:50:26,158 --> 00:50:28,358
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're seeing here with these managers in

1019
00:50:28,398 --> 00:50:31,518
Speaker 1: the postseason. Actually the last couple of years experience does matter.

1020
00:50:31,558 --> 00:50:34,078
Speaker 1: But again, it gets back to that relationship you spoke

1021
00:50:34,118 --> 00:50:37,318
Speaker 1: about so well between the general manager and the manager. A. J. Preller,

1022
00:50:37,398 --> 00:50:39,878
Speaker 1: by the way, had that guy already and Jase Tingler

1023
00:50:39,958 --> 00:50:43,518
Speaker 1: he knew Jase from Texas, knew him really well. That

1024
00:50:43,638 --> 00:50:45,798
Speaker 1: was the one guy you thought they were okay. We

1025
00:50:45,878 --> 00:50:48,838
Speaker 1: got a really strong relationship there, and that didn't work out.

1026
00:50:48,998 --> 00:50:50,878
Speaker 1: You know, the team kind of collapsed down the stretch

1027
00:50:50,878 --> 00:50:52,958
Speaker 1: and he had to get off him. It's unusual to

1028
00:50:52,958 --> 00:50:55,318
Speaker 1: see a general manager be able to get so many

1029
00:50:55,438 --> 00:50:59,198
Speaker 1: hires in terms of managers and have them not work out.

1030
00:50:59,478 --> 00:51:03,318
Speaker 1: It's a very interesting situation there in san Diego. They're

1031
00:51:03,318 --> 00:51:06,238
Speaker 1: probably going to trade Wan Soto this offseason. They're going

1032
00:51:06,278 --> 00:51:10,358
Speaker 1: to reduce the payroll, so that window is starting to

1033
00:51:10,438 --> 00:51:12,758
Speaker 1: close on San Diego. So I'm not sure if that

1034
00:51:12,878 --> 00:51:14,958
Speaker 1: is a great job at this point or it's a

1035
00:51:15,078 --> 00:51:17,518
Speaker 1: job that you grow in and becomes a great job. Again,

1036
00:51:18,278 --> 00:51:22,318
Speaker 1: that's an interesting job, and the Mets job is interesting, Joe,

1037
00:51:22,358 --> 00:51:25,678
Speaker 1: because I'm not sure Krek Counsel is dying to go

1038
00:51:25,718 --> 00:51:27,798
Speaker 1: to New York for all those reasons you talked about.

1039
00:51:27,958 --> 00:51:31,038
Speaker 1: It's not Milwaukee. We all know that the team is

1040
00:51:31,158 --> 00:51:33,678
Speaker 1: in a transition period, and I'm not even sure where

1041
00:51:33,678 --> 00:51:36,598
Speaker 1: they're transitioning to. But there's a lot of unknowns in

1042
00:51:36,638 --> 00:51:39,598
Speaker 1: that job. But as you said, if Steve Collin is

1043
00:51:39,638 --> 00:51:41,918
Speaker 1: going to pay him money that no one else is

1044
00:51:41,958 --> 00:51:44,598
Speaker 1: going to come close to, I think he will take

1045
00:51:44,638 --> 00:51:48,958
Speaker 1: that job. I do think that job requires experience. He's

1046
00:51:48,998 --> 00:51:51,598
Speaker 1: a great manager. Is Krek Counsel have no problem hiring him?

1047
00:51:51,638 --> 00:51:53,718
Speaker 1: I would lean Also if it's not counsel to someone

1048
00:51:53,718 --> 00:51:56,638
Speaker 1: who knows the New York landscape, someone like a Don Mattingly,

1049
00:51:57,478 --> 00:51:59,838
Speaker 1: It's a tough job to drop in somebody who a

1050
00:51:59,998 --> 00:52:03,198
Speaker 1: doesn't have experience and b doesn't know what New York

1051
00:52:03,278 --> 00:52:06,078
Speaker 1: is about because it's easy to get blindsided there by

1052
00:52:06,118 --> 00:52:09,118
Speaker 1: how fast and loud things are. So it's interesting the

1053
00:52:09,118 --> 00:52:11,358
Speaker 1: way it plays out. But again, looking at these two

1054
00:52:11,358 --> 00:52:14,318
Speaker 1: managers getting their teams here to the World Series, experience

1055
00:52:14,398 --> 00:52:18,198
Speaker 1: matters playing a game that has a lot of varieties

1056
00:52:18,278 --> 00:52:20,518
Speaker 1: to win a game. I think both Texas and Arizona,

1057
00:52:20,478 --> 00:52:23,838
Speaker 1: and Arizona especially can win a game in different paths,

1058
00:52:23,878 --> 00:52:25,518
Speaker 1: and that's why I think this is a different World

1059
00:52:25,598 --> 00:52:27,398
Speaker 1: Series and the managers have a lot to do with that.

1060
00:52:27,718 --> 00:52:30,198
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, I mean, you can't discount any of that.

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00:52:30,198 --> 00:52:34,038
Speaker 2: That's right on. That's been part of my concern is

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00:52:34,038 --> 00:52:37,438
Speaker 2: the fact that the manager has been relegated to a

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00:52:37,518 --> 00:52:41,838
Speaker 2: lesser role. But like you're suggesting right now, you know,

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00:52:41,998 --> 00:52:45,038
Speaker 2: whether it was the Phillies right now, where the Rangers

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00:52:45,118 --> 00:52:48,278
Speaker 2: or the Diamondbacks, the teams that have concluded and gotten

1066
00:52:48,278 --> 00:52:51,798
Speaker 2: to this far a lot of experience there, a lot.

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00:52:51,878 --> 00:52:54,198
Speaker 2: I think Robbie's not managed a long time, Thompson, but

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00:52:54,278 --> 00:52:56,118
Speaker 2: Robbie's been around for a long time as a third

1069
00:52:56,158 --> 00:52:58,998
Speaker 2: base coach and the first lieutenant kind of a thing.

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Speaker 2: It's just different, man, It's just different and when the

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00:53:03,478 --> 00:53:08,078
Speaker 2: game began ends. It's not it's not overwhelming. Talked about

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00:53:08,198 --> 00:53:10,838
Speaker 2: even a stage commercial about being able to slow things down,

1073
00:53:12,078 --> 00:53:16,478
Speaker 2: prepping in advance. I can't tell you how much my

1074
00:53:16,598 --> 00:53:20,878
Speaker 2: previous experiences come to the forefront mentally during these different

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00:53:20,918 --> 00:53:23,798
Speaker 2: playoff games and moments and situations, whether whether it's the

1076
00:53:23,798 --> 00:53:26,878
Speaker 2: actual game, it's before the game, it's conversations, uh, the

1077
00:53:26,958 --> 00:53:30,278
Speaker 2: tough conversations that are necessary. Like you said, when he's

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00:53:30,318 --> 00:53:32,678
Speaker 2: not going to pitch Chapman versus I'm going to continue

1079
00:53:32,718 --> 00:53:35,438
Speaker 2: to pitch kimberl I told you we've talked about the

1080
00:53:35,478 --> 00:53:37,198
Speaker 2: time when I had to tell Jason, hey, what he

1081
00:53:37,198 --> 00:53:40,158
Speaker 2: wasn't starting in San Francisco not happy, But when he

1082
00:53:40,198 --> 00:53:41,838
Speaker 2: came in the office, I told him exactly what was

1083
00:53:41,838 --> 00:53:44,198
Speaker 2: going on and exactly why. And you have to have

1084
00:53:44,238 --> 00:53:46,118
Speaker 2: the cachet in the ability to do those kind of

1085
00:53:46,118 --> 00:53:48,998
Speaker 2: things to really these listen, this this is this is

1086
00:53:49,038 --> 00:53:51,558
Speaker 2: a I don't want to tight in the in the

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00:53:51,678 --> 00:53:56,678
Speaker 2: sense that there is pressure tight everybody's on pins and

1088
00:53:56,718 --> 00:53:59,358
Speaker 2: needles on the edge. In a sense you're playing in

1089
00:53:59,358 --> 00:54:02,798
Speaker 2: front of the world baseball world basically, and it's really

1090
00:54:02,838 --> 00:54:05,358
Speaker 2: highly charged. And how you deal with these guys in

1091
00:54:05,398 --> 00:54:10,118
Speaker 2: those moments is an absolute difference maker. So there's a

1092
00:54:10,158 --> 00:54:14,838
Speaker 2: lot goes into this. And yes, I honestly and equivocally

1093
00:54:14,878 --> 00:54:17,078
Speaker 2: believe that the experience that had to the moment that

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00:54:17,118 --> 00:54:19,758
Speaker 2: I had to do these kind of things absolutely paid

1095
00:54:19,798 --> 00:54:22,198
Speaker 2: off and came to the forefront that Blake moment, the

1096
00:54:22,198 --> 00:54:25,598
Speaker 2: intuitive moment, is absolutely necessary in these situations.

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Speaker 1: Well, folks, stick around with us throughout the World series.

1098
00:54:28,798 --> 00:54:30,798
Speaker 1: Here we'll be able to break it down for you.

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Speaker 1: You've got Joe World Series winning manager. I will be

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Speaker 1: down with Fox on the field throughout these games and

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00:54:36,038 --> 00:54:38,438
Speaker 1: behind the scenes in the clubhouse with the managers. So

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Speaker 1: if you want information, you're not going to going to

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00:54:40,758 --> 00:54:43,758
Speaker 1: get anywhere else. Keep listening, folks to the Book of

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00:54:43,838 --> 00:54:46,358
Speaker 1: Joe podcast. We'll be back with you. I'm guessing probably

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00:54:46,398 --> 00:54:49,358
Speaker 1: after the first couple of games in Texas, and I

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00:54:49,358 --> 00:54:51,238
Speaker 1: think it's going to be a long series. I do

1107
00:54:51,318 --> 00:54:53,998
Speaker 1: think it's at least a six probably a seven game series.

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00:54:53,998 --> 00:54:56,718
Speaker 1: I think the teams are that close. So I'm really

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Speaker 1: looking forward to it. And for now, I look forward

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Speaker 1: to what Joe always does at the end of our episodes,

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Speaker 1: and that is to put a cap on our closer,

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Speaker 1: Joe Madden, Who do you got today? Where are you going?

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Speaker 2: I have Ralph Ellison Invisible Man. It's a book I

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00:55:10,278 --> 00:55:13,238
Speaker 2: readin collegiately at Lafayette. I don't know if it was

1115
00:55:13,278 --> 00:55:16,558
Speaker 2: required reading or not, but it's pretty much addressed many

1116
00:55:16,558 --> 00:55:19,718
Speaker 2: of these social issues faced by African Americans in the

1117
00:55:19,758 --> 00:55:22,958
Speaker 2: early twenty first century. I really enjoyed it. And it's

1118
00:55:22,998 --> 00:55:25,558
Speaker 2: so weird, like you read things and you don't even

1119
00:55:25,598 --> 00:55:27,958
Speaker 2: realize the impact it has on your intellect or your

1120
00:55:28,278 --> 00:55:31,238
Speaker 2: method of thinking. But and I think it's germane. I

1121
00:55:31,278 --> 00:55:34,078
Speaker 2: was thinking about the Diamondbacks and everything we're just talking

1122
00:55:34,078 --> 00:55:37,878
Speaker 2: about right now here. It is life is to be lived,

1123
00:55:38,078 --> 00:55:42,278
Speaker 2: not controlled, and humanity is won by continuing to play

1124
00:55:42,478 --> 00:55:46,718
Speaker 2: in the face of certain defeat. Ralph Ellison, Good book Man,

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00:55:46,798 --> 00:55:49,558
Speaker 2: A really interesting book. Well, obviously, I can't say it's

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00:55:49,558 --> 00:55:51,918
Speaker 2: well ahead of the time, was necessary at the time

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00:55:51,918 --> 00:55:55,358
Speaker 2: that he wrote it. So I love that life to

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00:55:55,398 --> 00:56:02,478
Speaker 2: be lived and not controlled. I'm so anti controlling situations

1129
00:56:02,518 --> 00:56:06,078
Speaker 2: that some of your business to control them. And humanity

1130
00:56:06,158 --> 00:56:07,718
Speaker 2: is won by continuing to play in the face of

1131
00:56:07,798 --> 00:56:11,518
Speaker 2: certain defeat. I mean, whoever thought Arizona would come back

1132
00:56:11,638 --> 00:56:14,558
Speaker 2: in that situation. Who thought the Rangers would go back

1133
00:56:14,558 --> 00:56:19,118
Speaker 2: to Texas, to Houston and win that series. So love

1134
00:56:19,158 --> 00:56:21,158
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, love that kind of human spirit.

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Speaker 2: And it's not you have to be fearless. There's no

1136
00:56:25,158 --> 00:56:28,918
Speaker 2: weakness involved. There's a certain courage involvement this thing. Ellison

1137
00:56:28,918 --> 00:56:31,638
Speaker 2: wrote that way, and this book came out in the fifties,

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Speaker 2: I believe, So that was really impactful for me.

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Speaker 1: Very apropos again, Diamondbacks, fast and loose, you go exactly

1140
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Speaker 1: how they're playing. We'll see you next time, Joe.

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Speaker 2: Thanks all right, brother, have a good time.

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