WEBVTT - S1-E11: Mossad's Greatest Hits & Misses

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<v Speaker 1>Diversion podcasts. A note this episode contains descriptions of graphic violence.

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<v Speaker 1>Listeners discretion is advised. So Massad's mission to assassinate the

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<v Speaker 1>butcher of Latvia was the success it achieved its subjective

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<v Speaker 1>It changed how we think about the Holocaust in genocide law,

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<v Speaker 1>and it changed the lives of countless people, including the

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<v Speaker 1>people you've met in the last ten episodes. But the

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<v Speaker 1>Zookers operation barely scratches the surface of what Massad has

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<v Speaker 1>done over the years, and it's more than seventy years

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<v Speaker 1>of existence. Massad has been, by its own definition quote

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<v Speaker 1>involved in special operations, an activity in the service of

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<v Speaker 1>the State of Israel, such as the pursuit of Nazi criminals.

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<v Speaker 1>Massad has also rescued Jews and the diaspora from dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>situations and resettled them in Israel. The most famous of

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<v Speaker 1>these operations was the four covert evacuation of approximately eight

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<v Speaker 1>thousand Ethiopian Jews out of Sudan in Operation Moses. Massad

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<v Speaker 1>also tells us that they are quote a key factor

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<v Speaker 1>in the war against terror directed at Jewish and Israeli

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<v Speaker 1>targets abroad. So for this episode, I want to look

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<v Speaker 1>at some of the most important and spectacular operations the

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<v Speaker 1>agency has carried out. I want to tell you about

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<v Speaker 1>some missions you've probably never heard of, but then shape

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<v Speaker 1>them Middle East and even our world. I'm Stephen Talty,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is good Assassin's hunting. The butcher is rather

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<v Speaker 1>assassinated one of its top leaders. He was executed by

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<v Speaker 1>a coney bomb hidden in a mobile cellular telephone. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a time for diplomacy, and there's probably a time for

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<v Speaker 1>direct action. Normally it's a simple matter, and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>moral dilemma. Can you work with these people to save

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<v Speaker 1>your own skin? Episode eleven, Massad's Greatest Hits and Misses

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<v Speaker 1>the jet. Let's start with an operation in which the

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<v Speaker 1>target wasn't even human. In three, the Israelis decided they

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<v Speaker 1>had to have a meg. At the time, the MiG

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<v Speaker 1>was the most advanced Soviet fighter plane and the latest model.

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<v Speaker 1>The MiG had been purchased by Israeli's neighbors and enemies, Egypt,

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<v Speaker 1>Syria and Iraq. If it came to war, Israel would

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<v Speaker 1>be facing these fighter jets in the skies. They had

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<v Speaker 1>to know everything about them, so forget about stealing blueprints

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<v Speaker 1>or getting blurry photos from inside some hangar. They wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to steal an entire plane. There was a problem, however,

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<v Speaker 1>if you didn't have the plane, you couldn't fly it,

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<v Speaker 1>So Massad would have to convince an air pilot to

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<v Speaker 1>steal the plane for them. That was much harder than

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<v Speaker 1>just going after the hardware. The mission began in the

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<v Speaker 1>early sixties. A Massad agent named Gene Thomas offered an

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<v Speaker 1>Egyptian pilot one million dollars to hijack his own aircraft

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<v Speaker 1>fly it to Israel. That would be about nine million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars today. It was a fortune. But the pilot said no,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he went to his bosses and told them

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<v Speaker 1>about the offer. Thomas, the Massad agent, along with four others,

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<v Speaker 1>were arrested. Months later, Thomas and two of his accomplices

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<v Speaker 1>were hung, while the others received extensive prison terms. Who's

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<v Speaker 1>a complete failure, But for Massad the MiG was worth

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<v Speaker 1>another try. In the mid nineteen sixties, they moved the

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<v Speaker 1>mission's focus away from Egypt to Iraq and actually tried

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<v Speaker 1>to convince two pilots to get in the plane and

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<v Speaker 1>fly it again. The pilots refused. Finally, in nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>six and Iraqi born Jew named Yusuf got in touch

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<v Speaker 1>with Massad. This is one of the strengths of the

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<v Speaker 1>agency's In countries around the world, there have been examples

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<v Speaker 1>of Jews willing to help Massa. I asked Keith Melton

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<v Speaker 1>about this. Melton is the intelligence historian an author of

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<v Speaker 1>several books on espionage we've heard from in previous episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>At one time, the total of number intelligence officers they had,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was thirty years ago, it was only twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four officers, so they had a very small service. But

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<v Speaker 1>they had the ability to look for other Jewish supporters

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<v Speaker 1>virtually anywhere they could go in the world. If you

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<v Speaker 1>needed a check cash, you needed to arrange a safe house,

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<v Speaker 1>if you needed a rental car. They had an established

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<v Speaker 1>contact within the synagogue, within a group in almost any

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<v Speaker 1>country they could go. So this guy Yusuf told aside

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<v Speaker 1>about this other guy named red fu Red Phone was

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<v Speaker 1>a pilot who flew the Big any One. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a Christian whose religion had caused his military career to

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<v Speaker 1>stall out. Only Muslims were getting promoted, so red Fot

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<v Speaker 1>was piste off. He was also angry that he had

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<v Speaker 1>been forced to fight against Iraqi Kurds, whom he had

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<v Speaker 1>no problem with. He was ready to turn against Iraq.

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<v Speaker 1>Massad sent a female agent to entice red Fot into

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<v Speaker 1>the deal. She got him to travel to Europe, where

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<v Speaker 1>he could meet with her handlers. There they offered the

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<v Speaker 1>pilot one million dollars, full Israeli citizenship and a good job.

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<v Speaker 1>Red Fot had some conditions. Knowing that Iraq's government would

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<v Speaker 1>take revenge on his relatives, he demanded that Israel get

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<v Speaker 1>them out of the country at the same time he

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<v Speaker 1>was stealing the plane. Massad agreed, but there were obstacles.

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<v Speaker 1>Red foot superiors didn't trust him. He was considered a

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<v Speaker 1>troublemaker and he was a Christian. They only allowed him

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<v Speaker 1>to fly a MiG equipped with two small fuel tanks,

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<v Speaker 1>which would theoretically prevent him from taking it all the

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<v Speaker 1>way to Israel. If he crashed on the way to

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<v Speaker 1>tell Aviv, the mission would be a failure. Massad made

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<v Speaker 1>the final arrangements. Red Fust's wife, who had no idea

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on, was given tickets to Paris with

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<v Speaker 1>her children. There, she was contacted by Massad and told

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<v Speaker 1>the whole story. She threw a fit, threatening to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the Iraqi embassy and tell them everything, but her

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<v Speaker 1>handlers finally convinced her to agree to the plant. Reda's

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<v Speaker 1>other family members were secretly escorted to Iraq's Iranian border,

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<v Speaker 1>where Kurdish guerillas guided them to safety. From there, they

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<v Speaker 1>were taken to Israel, but Redfa was still in Iraq.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally he was given permission to take the plane up

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<v Speaker 1>on a training mission. He pointed the nose towards Jordan's

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<v Speaker 1>air traffic control in Jordan's contacted the Iraqis, who was

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<v Speaker 1>a big flying over their territory. What was going on?

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<v Speaker 1>The Iraqis, not imagining anything was wrong, told them their

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<v Speaker 1>pilot was just getting some airtime in with the MiG.

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<v Speaker 1>Redford turned the plane towards Israel. When he finally landed,

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<v Speaker 1>it was found that the two small gas tanks only

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<v Speaker 1>had a few drops of fuel left. The mag was

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<v Speaker 1>put to use. Israeli pilots trained against it learned how

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<v Speaker 1>to fight it in the air. The next year, Israel

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<v Speaker 1>and Syria went into battle over the Golan Heights. Was

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<v Speaker 1>the Israeli Mirages against the MiG twenty ones There's my

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<v Speaker 1>age applied. This film reportedly showing the dog fight and

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<v Speaker 1>the sky between the Mirage jets and Syria's Russian built makes.

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<v Speaker 1>The cameras were mounted on the Israelian fighters and recorded

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<v Speaker 1>these dark air battles Kale Israel shot down six of

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<v Speaker 1>the Syrian planes and lost none of their own, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they could get an Iraqi pilot. I mean that's

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<v Speaker 1>not easy to do. That's Robert bar, a former CIA

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<v Speaker 1>case officer an author of many books on espionage. The

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<v Speaker 1>movie Siriana was based on one of Bear's books, and

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<v Speaker 1>the character played by George Clooney was based on him.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we had a pilot that defected the Japan

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<v Speaker 1>and make pilot. We got one of the air planes

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<v Speaker 1>as well. But you know, getting hard equipment like that

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<v Speaker 1>and figuring out what the avionics and the radar and

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of it was extremely important for them and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a worthwhile operation. Was it was quite amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>What interests me about this mission is the human aspect.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting an agent to betray his country is hard, but

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<v Speaker 1>getting them to leave their country is even harder. Look

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<v Speaker 1>how difficult it was to get the butcher out of Brazil.

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<v Speaker 1>Some espionage sources find their lives aren't really disrupted. Their

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<v Speaker 1>children stay in their schools, Their wives or husbands are oblivious.

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<v Speaker 1>But Redfa had to give up everything and move his

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<v Speaker 1>extended family out of their homeland. It's really something of

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<v Speaker 1>a miracle Massad was able to find someone like him

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<v Speaker 1>and to convince him to make the leap to Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Robert bart about using someone's emotions to get

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<v Speaker 1>what you need. Well, it's helpful to go after a

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<v Speaker 1>press minority anywhere in the world. I mean, if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at the KGB, most a lot of the defectors

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<v Speaker 1>were from Ukraine. A lot of Israeli sources in Europe

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<v Speaker 1>were Jewish who sympathized with the israel elements existence. And

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<v Speaker 1>the same way with Christians who were oppressed and had

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<v Speaker 1>no chance of ever, you know, holding positions of power.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's not to mention, you know, once these Islamic

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<v Speaker 1>groups came and started pressing, now that they would gravitate

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<v Speaker 1>to the United States or Israel. Mio had played on

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<v Speaker 1>the butcher's emotions brilliantly, and now these Raelis had done

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<v Speaker 1>it again. The engineer. Now let me take you to

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<v Speaker 1>the nineties. Sometimes Massad targets terrorists. Sometimes it's political operatives,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes it's people who betrayed their country. It's rare

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<v Speaker 1>that the agency goes after a technician. But the engineer

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't like other technicians. Yah Yah Ayash was a number

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<v Speaker 1>one bomb maker for Hamas. Hamas is the Palestinian Sunni

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<v Speaker 1>Islamic militant fundamentalist organization. Ayasha's nickname was the Engineer, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was a master of building explosives. His skill is

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<v Speaker 1>even more impressive because dynamite, which is a favorite of

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<v Speaker 1>bomb makers for its stability and power, was hard to

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<v Speaker 1>get in the West Bank and Gaza Strip where Yosh

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<v Speaker 1>did his work, So he used a mix of acetone

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<v Speaker 1>and detergent, ingredients found easily in many household cleaners. When

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<v Speaker 1>you put them together, they make acetone peroxide. This stuff

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<v Speaker 1>is powerful, but it's also highly unstable. In fact, it's

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<v Speaker 1>called the mother of Satan. You can guess why. People

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<v Speaker 1>who work with the Mother of Satan usually don't live

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<v Speaker 1>very long. But Ayash had an extensive and impressively lethal career. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the Raelis went after arm stealers, especially ones

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<v Speaker 1>that were supplying Iraq. They were very interested in the

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<v Speaker 1>people who could make airplane bombs. And they went after them.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of these people were assassinated in Jordan's and the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of it. I mean, they essentially viscerated the Palestinians,

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<v Speaker 1>the leadership as well as the technicians. That's Robert bar again.

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<v Speaker 1>A Yash built bombs for Hamass suicide attacks. The Mahola

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<v Speaker 1>Junction bombing in the Afuller bus massacre, it was at

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<v Speaker 1>lunchtime when the bomb went off, cutting down shoppers waiting

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<v Speaker 1>at a bus stop in a fullah town center. It's

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<v Speaker 1>believed that the bomber himself was among the eight who died.

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<v Speaker 1>The attack was time to mark the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>Islamic morning period for the victims of the Hebron massacre.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoever planned the bombing took plenty of casualties, at least

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<v Speaker 1>fifty people injured, many of them. The Disnegoff Street bus massacre,

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<v Speaker 1>also in n at the time the deadliest suicide bombing

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<v Speaker 1>in Israeli history, with twenty two civilians killed and fifty injured.

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<v Speaker 1>It had happened in Disnengoff Street, the city's commercial heart

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<v Speaker 1>and a place where people normally sit in cafes and relax. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>though the bloodied survivors and those in shock, stumbled onto

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<v Speaker 1>the pavement as passers by came to their aid was done.

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<v Speaker 1>The Yash was also behind the Hadara Central Station massacre

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<v Speaker 1>again and many more Hamas claimed responsibility for the deadliest

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<v Speaker 1>terrorist attack in Israel for sixteen years. Police combed the

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<v Speaker 1>wreckage trying to prove their hunch that the person who

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<v Speaker 1>took so many lives was a suicide bomber. The engineer

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<v Speaker 1>was killing Israeli's inside Israel civilians right in the heart

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<v Speaker 1>of the country. He later branched out and built bombs

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<v Speaker 1>for other groups, including Islamic Jahad. He was like a

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<v Speaker 1>one man bomb factory. Massad had to get him out

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<v Speaker 1>of the picture and to cut off the supply of

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<v Speaker 1>explosives for these attacks. The agency worked with shin Bet,

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<v Speaker 1>the Internal Security Age see on the mission. They even

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<v Speaker 1>had the cooperation of the Palestinian Authority, the official Palestinian

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<v Speaker 1>government body that controls the Gaza Strip and West Bank,

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<v Speaker 1>in tracking a Yasha's movements. The break came when the

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<v Speaker 1>agents realized that Yash kept returning to a certain apartment

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<v Speaker 1>owned by a buddy from his childhood days. This childhood

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<v Speaker 1>friend the Israelis had worked with his uncle they knew him,

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<v Speaker 1>and they blackmailed him into cooperating with the operation. The

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<v Speaker 1>agents gave the uncle a cell phone. They told him

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<v Speaker 1>they'd placed a bug inside so they could tap into

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<v Speaker 1>a Yasha's conversations, but they didn't tell him was there

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<v Speaker 1>was also fifteen grahams something called r d X inside.

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<v Speaker 1>R d X has been used as an explosive since

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<v Speaker 1>World War Two. It has no smell, makes it perfect

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<v Speaker 1>for jobs like this. The yash worked with explosives. If

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<v Speaker 1>he smelled anything, he might get suspicious. So the uncle

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<v Speaker 1>gets the phone and gives it to his nephew, the

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<v Speaker 1>Yasha's buddy. These really knew that the yash often talked

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<v Speaker 1>on one of the nephew's phones. They were hoping that

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<v Speaker 1>would be the case again. They began monitoring all the

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<v Speaker 1>calls in and out of the nephew's number. The monitoring

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<v Speaker 1>was done from a small airplane that circled above the target.

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<v Speaker 1>At eight am one January morning, a call came through.

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<v Speaker 1>The agents listening in recognized the voice. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>yasha's father. The call was relaid from the phone to

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<v Speaker 1>the airplane flying above to an Israeli outpost nearby. The

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<v Speaker 1>second voice on the line was confirmed it was the Engineer.

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<v Speaker 1>A signal was sent across the cell phone connection and

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<v Speaker 1>the phone exploded, killing Ayash instantly. The most hated man

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<v Speaker 1>in Israel, a Palestinian terrorist yah Yaha Yash, known as

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<v Speaker 1>the Engineer, was killed in the Gaza Strip on Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>He was executed by a tiny bomb hidden an immobile

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<v Speaker 1>cellular cold. It's many from to I was excluding and

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<v Speaker 1>destroyed the outside of his head. How many people killed? Yeah, yeah, Yesh.

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<v Speaker 1>We are investigating the case, and this is how then

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<v Speaker 1>opposition leader Benjamin Yahoo framed the news. If it's true

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<v Speaker 1>that one of the world's most vicious killers, a person

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<v Speaker 1>who's been responsible for blowing up women and children and davies,

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<v Speaker 1>has been eliminated, I don't think anyone should shed a

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<v Speaker 1>tear of sorrow. I think equally that it's important to

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<v Speaker 1>send a message. I think such a message has been

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<v Speaker 1>sent to all his followers, all would be terrorists, that

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<v Speaker 1>Israel's all arm would reach them, that there is a

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<v Speaker 1>price for terrorism. The a Yash operation reminds me a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of Mio's work during the Zookers mission. It was

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<v Speaker 1>technician versus technician in the same way that Mio went

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<v Speaker 1>mano a mano against the Butcher. The nerd aspect of

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<v Speaker 1>espionage is often a sideline. If you go to the

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<v Speaker 1>International Spy Museum in Washington, d C. They have small

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<v Speaker 1>exhibits on the technology of spying with tiny cameras, the

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<v Speaker 1>Enigma machine, things like that. But here the tech was

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<v Speaker 1>the whole deal. Ayash new bombs, but he never suspected

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<v Speaker 1>that Massad would be skilled enough to hide one inside

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<v Speaker 1>a cell phone. The level of sophistication of precision was

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<v Speaker 1>a hallmark of the agency doing more with less. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this is Stephen Talty, the host of this podcast, Good

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<v Speaker 1>Assassin's Hunting the Butcher. This podcast project came out of

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<v Speaker 1>my work on a related book called The Good Assassin.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to explore other parts of this story,

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<v Speaker 1>check it out. It's not just a book version of

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. I spend time on different aspects of the mission.

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<v Speaker 1>There are chapters diving into World War two history that

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't cover in the podcast, and the book works

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<v Speaker 1>as a kind of companion to the listening experience. You

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<v Speaker 1>can purchase a copy of The Good Assassin on Amazon,

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<v Speaker 1>Apple Books, and on bookshop dot Org. Thanks the Scientist

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<v Speaker 1>for this one, let's go inside Syria. For years, Massad

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<v Speaker 1>In the Israeli government had wanted to know if Syria,

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<v Speaker 1>which had been hostile to their Jewish neighbors for decades,

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<v Speaker 1>had a nuclear program. They couldn't break through the security

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<v Speaker 1>that the Syrians had put around their atomic research. Was

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<v Speaker 1>there anything going on? Were they building plants? Were they

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of building bombs? For Israel? The nuclear option is

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<v Speaker 1>the nuclear option. If any one of their enemies gets

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<v Speaker 1>the bomb, it could mean the end of their country.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Robert Bart about nukes and how they're figure

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<v Speaker 1>into the mindsets of spy agencies. It goes back to

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<v Speaker 1>the Second World War when here it was planning to

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<v Speaker 1>use a nuclear bomb on New York City. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just on paper. It never went anywhere. But

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<v Speaker 1>they're more mythical than they aren't real. But there's something

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<v Speaker 1>to think about. You know, you can aristolize all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of toxins and spread them over New York City, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's certainly something the Israelitis are worried about. Or putting

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<v Speaker 1>a tactical nuke on the end of the SCUD and

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<v Speaker 1>firing Tel Aviv. This is why they're going after I

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<v Speaker 1>ran right now, by the way. It's just quite extraordinary

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<v Speaker 1>these operations they pulled off r and I just thought,

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<v Speaker 1>I never thought anyone could do these things. So clearly

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<v Speaker 1>the Israelis have put a lot of effort and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of brains on, you know, all this problems, but

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<v Speaker 1>places like Iran were considered the top priority. Everyone knew

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<v Speaker 1>that the Iranians were trying for a bomb. As for Syria,

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<v Speaker 1>who was on the back burner for Israel if you

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<v Speaker 1>believed they would take the risk. But Massie started noticing

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<v Speaker 1>mysterious things happening inside Syria. Ships would leave ports in

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<v Speaker 1>Asia and arrive in Syria with unknown cargoes. There were

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<v Speaker 1>convoys of trucks criss crossing the country carrying something of

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<v Speaker 1>Pakistani nuclear scientists. A Q Khan traveled to Damascus for talks,

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<v Speaker 1>but talks about what There was no evidence on the

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<v Speaker 1>ground that anything was happening. Israel spy satellites were picking

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<v Speaker 1>up nothing. Still, some pulit Massad had an uneasy feeling,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were in the minority. One guy Massad kept

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<v Speaker 1>an ion was ibraheim Afman, who was the head of

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<v Speaker 1>the Atomic Energy Commission of Syria. If anyone knew what

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<v Speaker 1>was going on, it was Athman. In December two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and six, Massad got word that Athman would be traveling

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<v Speaker 1>to a European city. The Syrians had given him a

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<v Speaker 1>fake passport, but the Israelis knew how to track him.

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<v Speaker 1>Massad didn't want to kill him necessarily, but they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to get inside his head. So as soon as Othman

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<v Speaker 1>landed in Europe, the Agency had eyes on him. At

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<v Speaker 1>the airport, agents watched him get off the plane and

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<v Speaker 1>head to a hotel. They were about a dozen operatives

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the operation. Once they found out what hotel

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<v Speaker 1>he was staying at and which room, they got a

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<v Speaker 1>team inside. They planted listening devices and then got out

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<v Speaker 1>from their bugs. The agency learned Offman was planning to

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<v Speaker 1>do some shopping. European cities have goods you can't get

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<v Speaker 1>in Syria, so he was planning a day to blow

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<v Speaker 1>some money. Once he left the hotel, operatives broke into

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<v Speaker 1>his room. On the desk was a laptop. Great, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>there was something valuable on the hard drive, but the

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<v Speaker 1>agents didn't have time to steal the computer, bring it

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<v Speaker 1>to their base and download all the files. So what

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<v Speaker 1>do you do. One of the team members was a

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<v Speaker 1>computer expert. He installed software which let the agency track

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<v Speaker 1>Offman's activities on the computer without the Syrian knowing it.

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<v Speaker 1>They put the program on the hard drive where it

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<v Speaker 1>was invisible, cleaned up, and left. The data started to

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<v Speaker 1>come in from Offman's laptop, and it was astonishing. There

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<v Speaker 1>were maps, There were blueprints for a nuclear plant. There

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<v Speaker 1>were even pictures of the construction in various state ages,

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<v Speaker 1>and finally, a snapshot of a guy who looked East Asian.

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<v Speaker 1>When Massad ran the photo through its computers, it turned

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<v Speaker 1>out the guy was a nuclear official from North Korea.

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<v Speaker 1>The Syrians were going nuclear in a big way, and

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<v Speaker 1>nobody had known about it. Massad went to work. They

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<v Speaker 1>sent a team inside Syria to collect soil samples and

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<v Speaker 1>other evidence from the building site. When it came back,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no doubt Syria was on the path to

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<v Speaker 1>a bomb. Massad and the Israeli Defense forces began planning

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<v Speaker 1>Operation Outside the Box. September six, two thousand seven, a

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<v Speaker 1>fleet of ten F fifteen fighter planes lifted off from

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<v Speaker 1>inside Israel. Israel had seized control of serious radar and

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<v Speaker 1>air defenses and hid any sign of the coming attack.

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<v Speaker 1>The F fifteen's aproached the site. When the pilots were

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<v Speaker 1>above the target, they released their payloads. The bomb struck

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<v Speaker 1>the building and the plant was destroyed. The attack had succeeded.

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<v Speaker 1>Syria abandoned its nuclear program. The wrong man in Massad

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<v Speaker 1>was thrust into the spotlight when Palestinian terrorists stormed the

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<v Speaker 1>residents of the Israeli team at the Summer Olympics in

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<v Speaker 1>Munich and took eleven Israeli's hostage. Eight members of the

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<v Speaker 1>faction of the Palestinian Liberation Organization known as Black September

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<v Speaker 1>barricaded themselves inside the athletes apartments and negotiated for days

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<v Speaker 1>with German authorities. Nearly five dred German security police have

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<v Speaker 1>now sealed off the village and I'm mounting heavy machine

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<v Speaker 1>guns in the square there, keeping cameraman and television reportance

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<v Speaker 1>and the spectators well away the girls. They demanded the

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<v Speaker 1>release of two d thirty four Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.

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<v Speaker 1>Was the Israeli government refused, really enjoyed in the vide

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<v Speaker 1>of the round political rights be happy now to day

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<v Speaker 1>has we everbly shattered and their tragedy the helicopters there

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<v Speaker 1>appearing on onboard and there is really offated. When the

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<v Speaker 1>terrorists and their hostages were transported to a nearby NATO

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<v Speaker 1>air base where they were supposedly going to be flown

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<v Speaker 1>to Cairo, disaster struck. A botched German ambush resulted in

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<v Speaker 1>the murder of the nine remaining Israeli athletes and coaches,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as the deaths of the terrorists. Despite a

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<v Speaker 1>few bad decisions by judges, some disappoint boks of petty mistakes,

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<v Speaker 1>the Beautic Olympics were on the way into becoming the

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<v Speaker 1>Posantist Olympics because the West Germans were to make them solves. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>one observed gave them a new name, the Bloody Olympics. Altogether,

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen people were slaughtered yesterday too in the Olympic village

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<v Speaker 1>and the other fifteen and the shootout of the airport.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a catastrophe for the Olympics, for the Germans

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<v Speaker 1>and for the Israelis. If you doubted that the government

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<v Speaker 1>in Jerusalem would respond and that Massad would be the

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<v Speaker 1>sharp point of the sword, here's how it. Israeli Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Minister Golden my Year explained it. Innocent lives around With

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<v Speaker 1>that stage, the question is can innocent Israeli lives become

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<v Speaker 1>a commodity that groups of men and women can just

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<v Speaker 1>do with them whatever they like. Normally would say that

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<v Speaker 1>it's a simple matter of course. But what happens these

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<v Speaker 1>men demands the release from for them of men who

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<v Speaker 1>participated in the killing of our people. But they say, alpenmely,

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<v Speaker 1>they make a stake, and now the side over again.

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<v Speaker 1>But it means that people are set free when everybody

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<v Speaker 1>knows that what they intended to do the first opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>they were killing more Israelis. It's a difficult problem. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't say it's easy, but if you cannot say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as it's a bounced Asraelis, it's long golden.

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<v Speaker 1>My year quickly approved Operation Wrath of God, a covert

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<v Speaker 1>MASSAD operation to hunt down and kill the planners of

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<v Speaker 1>the Munich massacre. Massad began their reprisals in nine three.

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<v Speaker 1>Who was an assassination in Rome, a bomb placed in

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<v Speaker 1>a telephone in Paris, another planet under a bed in Cyprus,

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<v Speaker 1>and a third that detonated under a car seat. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a spectacular military rate in Lebanon, using Zodiac boats

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<v Speaker 1>and agents disguised as women all found their targets, but

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<v Speaker 1>the mastermind of the Munich terror operation still eluded Massad.

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<v Speaker 1>That was Ali Hassan Salome, nicknamed the Red Prince. Salom

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<v Speaker 1>A was believed to be the operations chief for Black

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<v Speaker 1>September and the man who planned Munich. The Israelis put

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<v Speaker 1>him near the top of the list of targets. Massad

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<v Speaker 1>trece Salome to lily Hammer, a beautiful ski resort town

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<v Speaker 1>in central Norway. They sent an elite squad, fifteen agents

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<v Speaker 1>and even the head of Massad, s V Zamir. Some

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<v Speaker 1>reports have said the team came from Cesarea, the same

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<v Speaker 1>unit that Mio and Joseph your Reeve belonged to. The

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<v Speaker 1>agency didn't tell the Norwegians what they were up to,

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<v Speaker 1>which was standard operating procedure. The fewer people who know

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<v Speaker 1>the lower possibility of a leak. Once in lily Hammer,

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<v Speaker 1>the Massad agents began following a man they believed to

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<v Speaker 1>be a courier, an intermediary between the Red Prince and

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<v Speaker 1>Black September. Posing his tourists, they followed the man wherever

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<v Speaker 1>he went. On one of his errands, the courier headed

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<v Speaker 1>to a local swimming pool. There he met a dark

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<v Speaker 1>haired man. The agent studied the man. They had practically

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<v Speaker 1>memorized a few photos of Saloma that were available. Just

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<v Speaker 1>like with Herbert Suckers, they were comparing archival pictures with

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<v Speaker 1>a man in the field, and just like with Zukers,

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<v Speaker 1>the two matched. They believed they'd found the Red Prince.

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<v Speaker 1>The operatives acted quickly. They followed the target as they

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<v Speaker 1>moved through lily Hammer. The next day he met with

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<v Speaker 1>a blond woman, apparently in Norwegian. The two went to

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<v Speaker 1>see a movie together and then caught a bus. The

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 1>operatives telled them closely as the parallel to the driver

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<v Speaker 1>to their stop. Then got off the bus and began walking,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently toward the house they shared. After the bus pulled away,

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<v Speaker 1>the killed team struck. They shot the man thirteen times.

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<v Speaker 1>He fell to the pavement, the blonde woman calling for help.

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<v Speaker 1>The agents quickly disappeared. It was a clean operation, fast,

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<v Speaker 1>with no bystanders killed. Except it wasn't the man that

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<v Speaker 1>Massa had executed in the quiet Norwegian town. Wasn't the

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<v Speaker 1>Red Prince at all. His name was Ahmed Bushiki, a

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<v Speaker 1>Moroccan waiter. The woman who was pregnant at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Was his wife to real it had been a horrible

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<v Speaker 1>mistake and now an innocent man and was dead. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the first murder in lilli Hammer in thirty six years.

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<v Speaker 1>The killed team left Norway almost immediately, but six other

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<v Speaker 1>Israelis who lingered after the hit were caught and arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them apparently broke down under questioning and revealed

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<v Speaker 1>the entire plan to police. It was one disaster after another.

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<v Speaker 1>The Israelis had done what they always accused their enemies of,

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 1>killed someone who done nothing to them. Now they faced

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 1>the consequences. The agency was embarrassed. Five agents went on

0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 1>trial in Norway and were sent to prison. It took

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 1>almost twenty five years for Massad to admit its mistake

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:45.280
<v Speaker 1>and for the Israelis to pay a med Bushiki's family

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 1>an undisclosed amount of money. The damage was extensive. The

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 1>plausible deniability that Massad had always depended on was shredded.

0:32:56.640 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>The agency looks sloppy, careless, the new which an investigation revealed, secrets,

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 1>the location of safe houses across Europe, their tactics, even

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 1>the names of some of their agents, and things kept

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 1>getting worse. A year Later, the Israelis believed they traced

0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 1>the Red Prince to Switzerland, where he was going to

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>meet some PILO officials in a church. Two Massad agents

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 1>walked into the church and spotted three men with dark

0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:27.760
<v Speaker 1>hare and Arab features. They later claimed that one of

0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:31.440
<v Speaker 1>them reached for a weapon, the assassin's opened fire, killing

0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>all three. None of them turned out to be the

0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Red Prince was another fatal mistake. The head of the

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 1>operation called off the hunt for Solemn but incredibly, members

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>of the killed team continued to pursue him. They believed

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 1>they'd found the Prince in Tarifa, Spain. They approached the

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 1>house that their intelligence officers had placed them in, but

0:33:56.160 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 1>were intercepted by an Arab security guard. Another your fight.

0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 1>This time the guard lay dead after the Israeli said

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 1>he pointed in a K forty seven at them. Operation

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 1>Wrath of God was called off. It would remain in

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 1>a deep freeze for a full five years until it

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 1>was resumed under a new Prime minister, but Massad's reputation

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 1>would never be the same. Some even suggested that it

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:30.600
<v Speaker 1>had allowed its obsession with finding them unit killers to

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:35.920
<v Speaker 1>distract it from its main mission protecting the Homeland. I

0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 1>asked Robert Baar, the x C I a officer about

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Operation Wrath of God, and he had a different take

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:47.680
<v Speaker 1>on the blowback. This was, you know, a great actor

0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 1>revenge that was supported across Israel, and they just had

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:54.800
<v Speaker 1>to go right through the list. And you know, killing

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 1>the Moroccan and it's a it's a setback that could

0:34:57.200 --> 0:35:00.719
<v Speaker 1>happen to anybody. But I don't know away slowed the

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Israelis down. I think the only thing that slowed them

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 1>down is sort of reassessments of fascinations. And and that's

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 1>a big question. I mean, they kill you seen it Gaza?

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:16.479
<v Speaker 1>Did it truly decapitate um Us? You know, that's something

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 1>you have to ask the Israelis clearly. I mean it's

0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 1>it's like Sulamani when they kill him. I think it

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:24.719
<v Speaker 1>had a great effect on Iran. I mean he was

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:27.920
<v Speaker 1>he was the de facto leader of Iran. Not how

0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:32.399
<v Speaker 1>many those are those are hard calculations assassinations, but killing

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:37.239
<v Speaker 1>a Moroccan later in Norway in no way page to

0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 1>Israeli policy radio were just the same scores. They're going

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:45.279
<v Speaker 1>to advance them to be. It really occupied portions of

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:50.239
<v Speaker 1>the desert when Aaron Forces launched a surprise attack on

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Israel in October ninety three, many blamed the agency for

0:35:54.440 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 1>having provided no advanced warning that is suceeeded in capturing

0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:09.200
<v Speaker 1>the key and overwhelming and movies radio positions. The fireline

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 1>from Diam Kapoor war was one of the most dangerous

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:18.839
<v Speaker 1>moments in Israeli history, and Massad had appeared to be

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:38.959
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0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:32.439
<v Speaker 1>never forget if you've got to look at Massad's most

0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 1>wanted list in two thousand and eight a lebedies man

0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:39.480
<v Speaker 1>named Ahmad Fayez Mugnia who was probably at the top

0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:43.800
<v Speaker 1>or near it. Mugnia was the mastermind in a series

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 1>of terror attacks against Israeli's around the world. He was

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:50.920
<v Speaker 1>believed to be the chief of staff for Hezbollah, the

0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Lebanese Shia Islamist political party, and militant group. It was

0:37:55.520 --> 0:38:00.400
<v Speaker 1>a link between Iran and terrorist groups. Robert Barr said,

0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:04.959
<v Speaker 1>Mugnia was probably the most intelligent, most capable operative we've

0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:10.800
<v Speaker 1>ever run across, including the KGB or anybody else. Massad

0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>and Mugnia had been involved in the cat and mouse

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:17.920
<v Speaker 1>game for decades. Massad wanted to kill him, and Mugnia

0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:22.239
<v Speaker 1>knew it. He was incredibly smart and resourceful. Every time

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 1>the agency planned an assassination, Nia outwitted them and survived.

0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 1>In February two eight, Massad tried again the Massad track

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:36.799
<v Speaker 1>move Mia around the clock. He lived in Syria and

0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:40.200
<v Speaker 1>those rare times he emerged on a Damascus street. They

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:43.880
<v Speaker 1>got an alert that February. They got worried that Munia

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:46.960
<v Speaker 1>was staying at a safe house in the city. They

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.279
<v Speaker 1>couldn't get close to him. With an assassin on a

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:53.800
<v Speaker 1>motorcycle or with poison. They decided on a car bomb.

0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Massad and his technical experts allegedly began to sign, build,

0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:01.520
<v Speaker 1>and test the bomb. They removed the spare tire from

0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 1>a car's trunk and replaced it with a face bear

0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:08.879
<v Speaker 1>that actually contained a powerful explosive. They performed test run

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:13.600
<v Speaker 1>after test run. Finally they thought they were ready. The

0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:17.239
<v Speaker 1>main problem was being able to confirm when Mugnia would

0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>go to his safe house and how he would exit.

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:22.400
<v Speaker 1>If you're using a car bomb, you need to know

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:28.440
<v Speaker 1>a person's route before they take it. That was tough. Finally,

0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:32.400
<v Speaker 1>on February twelve, Munia headed to the safe house. He

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 1>parked as Missubishi in a nearby lot and emerged from

0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 1>the car. It was the anniversary of the nineteen seventy

0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:44.960
<v Speaker 1>nine Iranian Revolution, and Munia was there to celebrate. The

0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:49.480
<v Speaker 1>bomb car was close to the Missubishi, but as Mougnia emerged,

0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Massad's lookouts realized that he was with a bunch of

0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:57.480
<v Speaker 1>other men. Either because these other officials were considered out

0:39:57.520 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 1>of bounds, or Israel didn't want to told to be

0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:04.320
<v Speaker 1>that high, they called off the hit. The team's stayed

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:07.120
<v Speaker 1>in place, They left the car bomb where it was

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:14.839
<v Speaker 1>and they waited. Finally, late at night, Muvinia came out

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:19.280
<v Speaker 1>to his car. This time he was alone. An operative

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:23.080
<v Speaker 1>pressed the remote and the bomb tore the car to bids.

0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Unia was killed the loan casualty. That night, news trickled

0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 1>out and international journalists began reporting. A top has Belaw

0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 1>militant alleged to be the hide a series of attacks

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 1>on US, Israeli and Jewish targets has been assassinated his

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 1>middle aged car bombings go. This was a small one

0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:56.880
<v Speaker 1>and in the end only one person was killed, but

0:40:57.239 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 1>the death of the man involved as rock Dieselmas militants

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:03.280
<v Speaker 1>in Lebanon and Syria, and it may be the trigger

0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:06.920
<v Speaker 1>for further unrest. A senior commander of the Lebanese based

0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Shiite militant group, his Ballah, Immed Mugnia, was one of

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 1>his buller's most deadly operatives. The FBI wanted him alive

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:18.160
<v Speaker 1>and was offering a five million dollar bounty, but overnight

0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:21.760
<v Speaker 1>a car bombing in Damascus claimed his life. His ballah

0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 1>has blamed Israel for his death. Israel denies involvement, but

0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:28.800
<v Speaker 1>many in the Jewish state and beyond glad that Imed

0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Mugnia is gone. Hello, I am Hashima. Lebanon's Zella says

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:37.719
<v Speaker 1>Israel assassinated one of its top leaders. Israel denies it.

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 1>What will the repercussions be? Mad Mania, one of the

0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 1>group's top military commanders, died in a car bombing in Syria,

0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:47.080
<v Speaker 1>who was accused by the U S and by Israel

0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:49.840
<v Speaker 1>of being involved in a string of attacks which killed

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 1>hundreds of here's former Knesset member Dannya Tom commenting, I

0:41:55.080 --> 0:42:03.279
<v Speaker 1>think that the organization that finally reached him showed and

0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:12.040
<v Speaker 1>very high skills, both in intelligence and in operational capability.

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:17.279
<v Speaker 1>I think that the fluent democratic world today achieved a

0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:21.360
<v Speaker 1>very very important goal. Munia may have been the longest

0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:25.120
<v Speaker 1>running target Massad ever went after. It took decades to

0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 1>get him. So why agencies tend to have long memories.

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Their files go back many years, and they trace people's

0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:38.040
<v Speaker 1>loyalties and behavior from childhood on. But even from Massad

0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:42.480
<v Speaker 1>this was exceptional. As we saw with MEO, some spies

0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:54.359
<v Speaker 1>never forget. When you look at the history of Massad operations,

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:58.640
<v Speaker 1>targeted killings are a big part of the picture. Israel

0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:02.560
<v Speaker 1>sometimes uses the agency less as an intelligence gathering outfit

0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:06.719
<v Speaker 1>than as an instrument of foreign policy. I asked the

0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:11.719
<v Speaker 1>intelligence historian Keith Melton about this. Is it possible that

0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Israel sometimes turns to its spies when a diplomat in

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 1>a suit might be a better solution. I would observe

0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:22.319
<v Speaker 1>that there's a time for diplomacy, and there's probably a

0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:28.759
<v Speaker 1>time or direct action. The problem, I believe becomes you

0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:34.000
<v Speaker 1>can believe that either is always a substitute for the other,

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and that isn't true. There are certain instances in which

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:44.120
<v Speaker 1>diplomacy would absolutely the best, but covertly there's instances in

0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 1>which direct action might be the only choice to do something.

0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Israel uses its intelligence service very, very effectively. They are

0:43:57.200 --> 0:44:01.240
<v Speaker 1>clear in their attention, and they use their intelligence service

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:05.919
<v Speaker 1>as an instrument of foreign power when it suits them.

0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Robert Baar agrees. He gave me some background on other

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:13.759
<v Speaker 1>countries who used their spy agencies as tools of foreign policy.

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 1>It was it was a new war, and with German

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:22.560
<v Speaker 1>intelligence considering we nothing about Russia in the thirties and

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.120
<v Speaker 1>through the Second World were nothing. The only people who

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:28.080
<v Speaker 1>knew a little bit about Russia were the Nazis, and

0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:31.759
<v Speaker 1>they were brought into the new German intelligence Service. How

0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 1>useful they were is very doubtful, but it was better

0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:37.960
<v Speaker 1>than zero. Don't forget that by forty six and forty

0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:42.440
<v Speaker 1>seven of an existential conflict, and once the Russians nukes

0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:46.200
<v Speaker 1>it was even more so. So It's like always when

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:50.240
<v Speaker 1>when in the Cold War we allied with very bad people,

0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 1>hoping they would help us against an enemy that could

0:44:54.160 --> 0:45:04.080
<v Speaker 1>destroy us. The General Tartus is an old medieval fort

0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:08.960
<v Speaker 1>built by the Knights Templar on serious Mediterranean coast. This

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:13.040
<v Speaker 1>is where a man named Mohammed Suleiman had a vacation house,

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:17.319
<v Speaker 1>not far from a luxury beach resort. Suleiman was a

0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:20.359
<v Speaker 1>general in the Syrian Army and one of the main

0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:27.800
<v Speaker 1>contacts to Iran and Hamas Israel wanted him gone. Every summer,

0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Suleiman would travel to his seaside vacation home to review files,

0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:35.040
<v Speaker 1>chill out, swim in the ocean. But it wasn't like

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:37.720
<v Speaker 1>he went there in a convertible with the top down.

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:42.879
<v Speaker 1>He traveled from Damascus in an armored vehicle with bodyguards.

0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 1>More bodyguards were stationed at the beach house. They never

0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 1>let him out of their sight. Even going into the

0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:52.800
<v Speaker 1>water with him when he went for a swim after

0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:57.400
<v Speaker 1>the assassination of Mugnia on a busy Damascus street, Syria

0:45:57.560 --> 0:46:01.920
<v Speaker 1>was taking no chances. On one trip. It was a

0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:05.920
<v Speaker 1>typical August day, hot, not a lot of wind. It

0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:09.920
<v Speaker 1>was beautiful. Yachts were passing up and down along the coast.

0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:13.640
<v Speaker 1>People were sunbathing. The rich. We're heading out to an

0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 1>offshore island to dine at one of the many fish

0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:21.320
<v Speaker 1>restaurants there. Suleiman was enjoying the beach when another yacht

0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:25.480
<v Speaker 1>showed up. It was, according to one report, unusually sleek,

0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:28.840
<v Speaker 1>but there was nothing strange about it. It was sailing

0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:31.879
<v Speaker 1>closer to shore than the others, about fifty yards off

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:35.520
<v Speaker 1>the coast. Maybe its owners wanted to get a better

0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:40.719
<v Speaker 1>look at the houses on the shore. Suleiman's bodyguards weren't alarmed,

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and when their boss wanted to go for a swim,

0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:47.520
<v Speaker 1>they went in the water with him. The men were

0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:51.640
<v Speaker 1>wading into the ocean when suddenly Suleiman sank into the water.

0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:55.799
<v Speaker 1>There had been no noise, not that anyone remembered, but

0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 1>when the bodyguards pulled into the beach they found the

0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:02.439
<v Speaker 1>general had bullet in his head and chest and neck.

0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:06.839
<v Speaker 1>He died soon after, and the yacht, which we now

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:10.880
<v Speaker 1>believe was carrying snipers with especially silence rifles, it sailed

0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:18.120
<v Speaker 1>away from the coast and disappeared. This is straight out

0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:22.280
<v Speaker 1>of a spy movie. The yacht the beautiful Blue Water

0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:28.359
<v Speaker 1>the Silence. Sometimes espionage appears almost to be a magic trick,

0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:34.200
<v Speaker 1>a seemingly impossible thing where you can't tell who did what.

0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Most by agencies have a motto. A lot of them

0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 1>are what you'd expect. Am I six, the British spy

0:47:55.080 --> 0:48:02.280
<v Speaker 1>agency takes theirs from the Latin Semper cultists, always secret,

0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 1>no surprises there. The cias is the work of a nation,

0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:11.200
<v Speaker 1>the center of intelligence, which I've always found bland and

0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:15.560
<v Speaker 1>vaguely corporate. I prefer their unofficial version from the scriptures,

0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:19.160
<v Speaker 1>And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall

0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:24.800
<v Speaker 1>set you free. Massad also turned to scripture for their motto,

0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:29.000
<v Speaker 1>or in their case the Torah, the Jewish Bible, where

0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:32.400
<v Speaker 1>no wise direction is the people fall, but in the

0:48:32.480 --> 0:48:38.440
<v Speaker 1>multitude of counselors there is safety. It's less certain than

0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:42.279
<v Speaker 1>the CIA's, not as confident. It refers to the fall

0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:45.440
<v Speaker 1>of the people. A nod to the many tragedies in

0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Jewish history. It doesn't talk about secrets, only wisdom, and

0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:55.279
<v Speaker 1>that's something that's often hard to judge. Are you eliminating

0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:59.200
<v Speaker 1>risks or increasing them? Are you targeting the mastermind of

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<v Speaker 1>Munich or an innocent waiter walking home with his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Robert bar once more. I mean, it's like always

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<v Speaker 1>in the Cold War, we allied with very bad people

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<v Speaker 1>hoping they would help us against an enemy that could

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<v Speaker 1>destroy us. And that's the whole, you know, the moral

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<v Speaker 1>dilemma for the United States is can you work with

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<v Speaker 1>these people to save your own skin? What I like

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<v Speaker 1>about Massa's motto is that it seems to acknowledge how

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<v Speaker 1>hard it is to find the truth. That espionage is

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<v Speaker 1>a tough job, not just the tradecraft, but guilt and innocence.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the hardest part. Good assassins. Hunting the Butcher is

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<v Speaker 1>a production of Diversion Podcasts in association with I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>This season is written and hosted by Stephen Talti, produced

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<v Speaker 1>and directed by Scott Waxman and Jacob Bronstein. Executive producers

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Waxman and Mark Francis. Story editing by Jacob Bronstein,

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<v Speaker 1>with editorial direction from Scott Waxman and mangesh At ticket editing,

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<v Speaker 1>mixing and sound designed by Mark Francis, with the voices

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<v Speaker 1>of Nick Afka, Thomas Amory, Angle, Andrew Polk, Mindy Escobar, Leants,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Rautman and Stefan Brudnitsky. Theme music by Tyler Cash.

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<v Speaker 1>Archival research by Adam Shapiro, thanks to Oran Rosenbaum at

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<v Speaker 1>ut A Diversion Podcasts.