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Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, that's a Rap. Cards

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Speaker 1: Camp twenty twenty one is done. Still one more preseason

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Speaker 1: game though, So what can we expect to see Saturday

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Speaker 1: in New Orleans. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode four fifty

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Speaker 1: eight and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two

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Speaker 1: with Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two is

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Speaker 1: Going for Hopkins one handed catch in a touchdown DeAndre Hopkins.

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Speaker 1: Here's Craig Griolou and Mike Jarecki. How about that, MJ.

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Speaker 1: Some definitive answers to everyone's favorite question, and that question

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Speaker 1: all preseason, the Muray gonna play? How much is Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray gonna play? Well, we have an answer for your

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Speaker 1: bird gang. The answer is Kyler Murray won't play in

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Speaker 1: the preseason finale against the Saints on Saturday. And there

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Speaker 1: is I'm sure some people that will be disappointed, and

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Speaker 1: that's I'm not one of them. I've seen enough of

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray especially what we've seen out of practice. It's

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Speaker 1: just not worth the risk. And you know, in previous

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Speaker 1: of the ball, wouldn't even have their shoulder pads on.

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Speaker 1: But again, it's just not worth the risk. And he

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Speaker 1: is stacked back to back days when it comes to

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Speaker 1: you know this offense. You know, as Cliff pointed out

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Speaker 1: early in camp, he knows the offense like the back

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Speaker 1: of his hand. And now you're starting to see the

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Speaker 1: entire offense as a whole. You know, I guess the

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Speaker 1: only thing I'll tell you, don't be disappointed he didn't.

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Speaker 1: He's not playing on Saturday, but make sure you tune

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Speaker 1: in on September twelfth when they line up against the

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. According to Kingsbury, Murray is quotes ready to

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Speaker 1: go as far as the regular season. He doesn't need

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Speaker 1: any more preseason reps. And even earlier in the week,

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Speaker 1: Kingsbury brought that up that he didn't need to see

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Speaker 1: anymore out of Murray, at least in a game like setting.

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Speaker 1: Although remember a week ago against the Chiefs, and I'll

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Speaker 1: put myself in that category, did not like what I saw,

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Speaker 1: even if it was preseason. You should be able to execute,

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Speaker 1: You should be able to gain ten yards for a

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Speaker 1: first down. And Murray in that first team offense did

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Speaker 1: not on three consecutive drives. In fact, they went backwards

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Speaker 1: minus one yard. But that was last week. This is

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Speaker 1: this week, and right now everyone is just getting or

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Speaker 1: hoping to get through this weekend and then focus on

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Speaker 1: the regular season. Yeah, and you know we mentioned on

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Speaker 1: previous cards cover too just how much his team accomplished

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Speaker 1: you didn't know to expect. Now, clearly we're gonna judge

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Speaker 1: these guy what they do in the season. But I

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Speaker 1: thought they got better as a football team since the spring.

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Speaker 1: You can't get enough of Zavan Collins in this rookie

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Speaker 1: of preseason games. Again, you're not going to play every

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Speaker 1: single staff, but it's night and day from a year ago,

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Speaker 1: and you know, when you look at this offense, I

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Speaker 1: still got two more weeks, but they're fine tuning this office,

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Speaker 1: and you can see when all their starters are out there,

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Speaker 1: forward and that was improvements. End quotes. And yes, a

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Speaker 1: little tongue in cheek there, because as we mentioned, Kyler

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs, the offense went back here backwards minus one yard.

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't sound when you talk with the head

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Speaker 1: Cardinals at the Saints five pm kickoff, one thirty pm

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Speaker 1: pregame coverage begins. It is the final game of the

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Speaker 1: about Josh Jones. Have you seen enough out of him?

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Speaker 1: Or does he get some more reps? Not with the

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Speaker 1: first team offensive line. I don't know if Rodney Hudson's

429
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Speaker 1: going to play. I don't know if DJ Humphrey, Calvin

430
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: Beecham wouldn't play him all right, Josh Jones, Yes, just

431
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Speaker 1: because now if you in your scenario, which I agree with,

432
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Speaker 1: if you have Murray at left guard, in your Winners

433
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Speaker 1: at right guard, you know, Josh Miles could be your

434
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Speaker 1: left tackle, and then maybe you look at Josh Jones

435
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Speaker 1: just to give him a little look at right tackle,

436
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Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, I agree with that. But right now,

437
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Speaker 1: if he's a starter again, he's played a lot of

438
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Speaker 1: snaps in practice, But I get it. I mean, to me,

439
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 1: show that versatility because we know that Murray and Winners

440
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: haven't had a ton of reps. They haven't played in

441
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Speaker 1: the preseason yet, So to me, you can use some

442
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Speaker 1: flexibility slide him out to the outside. And you could

443
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 1: also do that with Justin Murray as far as getting

444
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Speaker 1: some reps at guard and at tackle, if true, hope

445
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Speaker 1: that he becomes that swing tack if he doesn't become

446
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: the starting right garden again, Justin Pugh is not going

447
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 1: to play this weekend. He and Jordan Phillips both expected

448
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: back on Monday if they have spent some time on

449
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Speaker 1: the reserve COVID nineteen list. All right, so that's the

450
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Speaker 1: offensive line. We know Jonathan Ward and you know Benjamin

451
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Speaker 1: are going to carry the ball a ton. In fact,

452
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Speaker 1: we might not even see Chase Edmonds or James Conner

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Speaker 1: on the field. Warden Benjamin maybe split carries in the

454
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Speaker 1: first half and then that second half action becomes a

455
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Speaker 1: lot of Tavy and Feaster. He is the fifth running

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Speaker 1: back in that room. But Kingsbury did bring up earlier

457
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Speaker 1: in the week MJ that for Ward and Benjamin they're

458
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Speaker 1: going to get the most carries that they have had

459
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Speaker 1: in the NFL since going back to their college days.

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Speaker 1: So to me, I don't know, maybe maybe Warden Benjamin,

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Speaker 1: you know, split quarters or split halfs, just to get

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Speaker 1: them see what they can do when the ball is

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Speaker 1: in their hands. Now, not expecting them to get a

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Speaker 1: lot of carries in the regular season unless there's an injury,

465
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: but to help them get some reps and of course

466
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Speaker 1: put some fatal film out there for the Cardinals to see. Yeah,

467
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Speaker 1: I would definitely play, you know, you know in Jonathan Ward,

468
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Speaker 1: maybe in the first quarter, but like you said, maybe

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Speaker 1: they'll each get quarters, maybe you alternate every third or

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Speaker 1: fourth possession. But also when you get to the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna have to be the fifth string running back

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Speaker 1: and that would be Feaster. Yeah, I mean, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: be William Powell, the guy who carries the ball a

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Speaker 1: ton and to get that keep that clock ticking down

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Speaker 1: to triple zeros. Yeah, but I agree and listen, according

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Speaker 1: to Kingsbray that the you know, the running back position

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Speaker 1: after Connor, excuse me, and Edmunds still competition. But I

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Speaker 1: just think Jonathan Ward has more upside. He's very similar

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Speaker 1: to both Chase and Connor, and he's really involved in

480
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Speaker 1: a lot of different special teams. Now, I'll give you

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Speaker 1: know a lot of credit because he's made strides this offseason.

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Speaker 1: He's made strides in training camp, he's look good in

483
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Speaker 1: preseason games. So we're really in numbers game. But I

484
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Speaker 1: do think they'll keep four and we'll see what they

485
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Speaker 1: do on game deal. Maybe only trust three quick notes

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Speaker 1: on James Connor. He was made available to the media

487
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Speaker 1: on Thursday, and one of the topics that came out

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Speaker 1: of that conversation was his pass catching ability. He was

489
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Speaker 1: not asked to be a part of the passing game

490
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Speaker 1: a ton with the Steelers. He did have fifty plus

491
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Speaker 1: catches his Pro Bowl season in twenty eighteen, but levy

492
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Speaker 1: on Bell was not around that year. But in twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen and twenty twenty it was thirty plus catches. I

494
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Speaker 1: don't know if he'll reach that thirty mark here with

495
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, especially with Chase Edmonds, seems to be

496
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: a little bit ahead of the game when you look

497
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Speaker 1: at those two as far as who was a better

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Speaker 1: catcher out of the backfield. I'll say this though Kingsbury

499
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Speaker 1: brought it up as well, and I've noticed it, but

500
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Speaker 1: James Conner catches the ball better than what we thought,

501
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Speaker 1: maybe anticipated. And that's not having watched a ton of

502
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Speaker 1: Steelers film over the last several years. But that is

503
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Speaker 1: an aspect of James Connor's game that he believes is

504
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: under the radar. As he said quote, I'm a football player.

505
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: I can do more than just run the ball. I

506
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: think he's very fluid when he's catching passes, whether it's

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Speaker 1: from the quarterbacks and the gaunt let drill or he's

508
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Speaker 1: catching or from the running backs coach James Sex And

509
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Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean, I I just don't know when

510
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Speaker 1: you start tallying up all the targets and touches, I mean,

511
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Speaker 1: he's got to be number six or seven. But this

512
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: to me tells me that maybe you can have Chase

513
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Speaker 1: and Connor on the field together in the backfield and

514
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Speaker 1: then one goes out to maybe that wheelhouse route, because

515
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Speaker 1: now it's basically you're getting a linebacker or a corner

516
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Speaker 1: on you, and you gotta like that matchup. And you know,

517
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Speaker 1: Connor when they signed him and he had the press

518
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: conference and he was in his Cardinals pall like, he

519
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: doesn't look very big, but he's still six two or

520
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: two twenty two or two two thirty three, so he's

521
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: got a good size. And I'm just looking forward when

522
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals get that or two or four minute offense

523
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: where you just give hit the ball and try to

524
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: run downhill. The other reason that with Connor being able

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Speaker 1: to catch the ball, it doesn't signal anything to the

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Speaker 1: defense if you have Edmonds in the backfield, Okay, you

527
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: have to be ready for the run and the past

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00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: James Connor in the backfield, will maybe you just concentrate

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Speaker 1: on the run. If he can show that ability to

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Speaker 1: catch the ball, then the defense has to stay honest.

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Speaker 1: And then if you have both of them on the

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Speaker 1: field at the same time, yeah, maybe all eyes will

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00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: look towards number two to get that pass. But I

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Speaker 1: do think James Connor might be that sneaky weapon as

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Speaker 1: far as a running excuse me, as far as a

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Speaker 1: running back who can catch the ball out of the backfield. Again,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many targets, how many receptions, because

538
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: there are a lot of weapons, especially in the wide

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Speaker 1: receiver room. Don't forget about Max Williams. But his ability

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Speaker 1: to catch the ball I think does kind of make

541
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: things to where, well, if we see one guy, we're

542
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: anticipating one thing. If we see the other guy, we're

543
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: anticipating the other thing. That's if you're an offense and

544
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: you don't like tendencies, that can eliminate that tendency. Yeah,

545
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: but I'm definitely throwing a chase more than I'm throwing

546
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Speaker 1: the Connor. I don't know what you're saying, but the

547
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: fact is that he did show that he can catch

548
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Speaker 1: a ball. So in other words, you're not tipping your

549
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: hand when he's in the game. Are they're going to

550
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: hand it off? Because he's the guy's six foot two

551
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: over two hundred and twenty two pounds. And you know again,

552
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: I thought in the last game he could have hit

553
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: the hold. It looks like he was trying to dance

554
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: maybe protect himself. But he's a downhill runner and that

555
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: will only help. But again, I have been impressed the

556
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: way he catches the football. You can tell if guys

557
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: are natural or not. He's very natural catching the football. Yeah,

558
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: he does have good hands, and that's been made crystal

559
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: clear from the head coach and of course during the

560
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: open portion of practices as well. All Right, the one

561
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: player that we have not touched on here is we

562
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Speaker 1: look ahead to the preseason finale Cardinals at the Saints.

563
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: And by the way, it's isn't it odd that this

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Speaker 1: is the preseason finale and the Cardinals are not I've

565
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: linked to Denver or hosting the Broncos. In fact, MJ

566
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: this little known fact, dating back to two thousand and four,

567
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: this marks just the third time the Cardinals faced an

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Speaker 1: opponent other than the Denver Broncos, and the preseason finale

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00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: twenty ten, it was a home game against Washington. Twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 1: they were on the road at the San Diego Chargers,

571
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Speaker 1: the then San Diego Chargers. But certainly with the schedule change,

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00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: in only three preseason games, you can do more of this.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be the Broncos all the time, no,

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Speaker 1: I mean, but you know it's a scenario where proximity

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Speaker 1: usually if you're playing a team, you don't really play

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Speaker 1: him in the preseason. And what the Cardinals are going

577
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Speaker 1: to play the Cowboys late in the year. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just sing. Next year, with two road

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Speaker 1: preseason games, I hope they get a chance to have

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00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: a joint practice and that will be dictated on who

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00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: the opponent would be. Kansas City would be great. They

582
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: went there before they got an little field house. It

583
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: was great, great opportunity. So I do think having two

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Speaker 1: preseason games on the road, they'll try to find out

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00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: a joint practice with another team. All right. I got

586
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: a little sidetracks on that. Nuggets and props to stat

587
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: wiz Mike helm in the Cardinals media relations department, Andy Isabella.

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00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: That's the player I was referring to. He is expected

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Speaker 1: to make his preseason debut. He has missed up to

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Speaker 1: two weeks, almost fifteen days because of two stints on

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Speaker 1: the reserve COVID nineteen list, and that's combined during this

592
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Speaker 1: entire Cardinals training camp. But this week in practice, head

593
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Speaker 1: coach Cliff Kingsbury has been impressed by what he's seen

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Speaker 1: at Isabella, saying that he has quote dialed in. Now

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00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: we'll see if he is dialed in moving from the

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Speaker 1: practice field to the game field. But if there is

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Speaker 1: one particular player to really keep an eye on offense

598
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: this weekend, it is Andy Isabella, because right now I

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Speaker 1: do think to a certain extent he is fighting for

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Speaker 1: a roster spot. You disagree, which is fine, And then

601
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: I do think he would like to show and push

602
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: for that fifth wide receiver spots and move Keishawn Johnson

603
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: down the at least our unofficial wide receiver depth chart.

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00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: Of course, that would also predicate him being active on

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Speaker 1: game day, meaning he will have to participate on special teams.

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Speaker 1: So Andy Isabella as a wide receiver on Saturday MG

607
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: and then also shoot send him back there on kickoffs

608
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: and punt return just to see if he can't handle

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00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: that as well. Couldn't agree more. And ever since he's

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Speaker 1: been back to practice, he's catching everything. I mean, you

611
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: talked to Cliff, he said he's dialed in, and you know,

612
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: he's just you can see everyone roots for him. I mean,

613
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: if he makes a play in practice, and you know,

614
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: depending on where the players are standing, they'll come and

615
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: gratulate him. It's hard not to root for Andy Isabella.

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00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: It's just he's gonna put it together and become more consistent.

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00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: But I still think he's gonna make the roster, and

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Speaker 1: I like, you're going there. You know. The thing is

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Speaker 1: Keyshawn Johnson's playing more on special teams, so that probably

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00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: means he has an advantage to be active. And to me,

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Speaker 1: if something ever happened to Hop or you know, aj Green,

622
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: you know you got to have some size out there.

623
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: We always talk about the Cardinals having these small slot receivers.

624
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: You need some guys with size on the outside. The

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00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: one thing that Isabella does have going for him is

626
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Speaker 1: his speed, and it is something that's you know, you

627
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: can't prepare for. But in order to teach true and

628
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: in order for that speed to mean anything, you have

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Speaker 1: to catch the ball first. And that's been the issue

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Speaker 1: for Isabella as far as being a consistent pass catcher

631
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: and then how he catches the football. Don't let it

632
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: hit him in the chest, reach out and go get

633
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: that football. So maybe perhaps you can take you off

634
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: and run, not wait for the football, make sure you

635
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: secure it and then try to turn a field catch

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00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: it on the run on, and that I think would

637
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: go a long way to getting his bell a little

638
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: bit more action offensively. Well, I mean, I give him

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Speaker 1: credit a lot of guys, and Larry Fitzgerald was one

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Speaker 1: of these guys. He to have, you know, one of

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Speaker 1: the trainers or ball boys throw a ball over his

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Speaker 1: head where he couldn't see the ball but he could

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Speaker 1: feel it. And he's on the jugs machine, you know,

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Speaker 1: the first couple of years. I mean, I think he's

645
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Speaker 1: got short arms, so sometimes you're gonna you know, those

646
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Speaker 1: dbs are you know, they're trying to grab you and

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Speaker 1: push you away, so sometimes you're gonna catch you with

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Speaker 1: your chest. But I think he's done a much better

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Speaker 1: job cutching with his hands. And we know that when

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Speaker 1: he's before he was drafted, he had that jugs machine

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Speaker 1: and I think it was a sister that one she

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Speaker 1: was the one putting the ball in their for him. So,

653
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Speaker 1: but it's more natural now. But I do think there's

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Speaker 1: times when because of his short, short arms, he's gonna

655
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Speaker 1: have to catch it and like a basket catch, would

656
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Speaker 1: bring it in where the ball doesn't get deflected, and

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Speaker 1: be more physical, don't be afraid of the contact, especially

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Speaker 1: coming off the line of scrimmage, if you've got a

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Speaker 1: defender right in your face, being able to move him

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Speaker 1: away or get some separation, and then use that speed

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Speaker 1: to be able to get open so the quarterback can

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Speaker 1: see you. Well, he's really good over the middle. He's

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Speaker 1: good on those slants. He's good. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: much we'll see him in the bubble screens because I

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Speaker 1: think that's more Rondo more. But the slant pass coming

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Speaker 1: on the slot, and you know maybe that that that

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Speaker 1: post play, he's very effectively. In other words, again Kyler

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Speaker 1: going through his progressions. Eighteen or eleven to nineteen yards,

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Speaker 1: they make the throw, only one guy can catch it

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Speaker 1: on the sidelines, and that's a wide receiver. So and

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Speaker 1: he may not get yards after catch, but you know

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Speaker 1: when he gets a slant in the middle, he can

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Speaker 1: take off. Now much the foot race. Now the question

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Speaker 1: is who's throwing Andy Isabelle of the football on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: We know Kyle the Murray will not play, and I'm

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Speaker 1: perfectly fine if Colt McCoy doesn't play, just to keep

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Speaker 1: him healthy, because the backup quarterback, keeping him healthy might

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Speaker 1: be the most important thing to happen this weekend, to

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Speaker 1: make sure he is available in the event something happens

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Speaker 1: to Kyle Murray. So I'm okay, we don't see Colt

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Speaker 1: McCoy at all. Yeah, I would, I would start. I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna because the next time he's gonna play is

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Speaker 1: hopefully or in this case, you know, Murray misses a

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Speaker 1: possession or you know, you know, something with the equipment

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Speaker 1: or this, you know what, I just think, give him

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Speaker 1: a quarter and then let's travel play the rest. And

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Speaker 1: thus you're just talking about McCoy being out there for

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Speaker 1: the first series and with maybe Brian Winters, maybe justin Murray,

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Speaker 1: maybe Josh Jones, Garcia, some guys that you know, just

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Speaker 1: the guys that you know, maybe not starting on the

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Speaker 1: offensive line, but are gonna be active or in that

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Speaker 1: room come the regular season. For disrespect, but I don't,

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Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't put behind the threes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's that's traveler. He goes against the three. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just think he's done a good job. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's chomping at the bit to get some

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Speaker 1: playing time. It's not like he's putting film out there

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Speaker 1: for another team. He's under content track. But there could

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Speaker 1: be a player, a possession or a game where he's

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Speaker 1: gonna have to come in. So I think the more

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Speaker 1: the better for him. And he's really been impressive in camp. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he has completed seventy six percent of his past is

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Speaker 1: talking about Colt McCoy through two preseason games. Now, if

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Speaker 1: we see a lot of Chris Streveler, good for him

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Speaker 1: because he needs the work. But I'll say this and

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Speaker 1: we touched on it earlier in the week here on

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Covered two presented by Hunday Proud Partner of the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, on how much of a pocket passer Struggler

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Speaker 1: has become this training camp. Now, again, there was no

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Speaker 1: offseason a year ago, so not much known as far

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Speaker 1: as what Straddler could and could not do. But I'm

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Speaker 1: not a fan of the quarterback taking off and running

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Speaker 1: when things break down you've got to be able to

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Speaker 1: stay in there, move your feet laterally up and down

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Speaker 1: as far as in that pocket to gain a little

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Speaker 1: bit more time for your receivers to get open. And Struggler,

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Speaker 1: I think has worked on that and is throwing a

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Speaker 1: much better football than when he first arrived. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we know the opposing team has put pressure on the

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Speaker 1: on the Colt McCoy and uh, you know Chris Struggler.

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Speaker 1: But if the guys aren't getting separation, I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: athletic enough to run. You know, he try to run

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Speaker 1: you over. I agree with you, But you can't sit

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Speaker 1: there and just keep patting the ball in the pocket.

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Speaker 1: You got to move out, try to get guys open,

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Speaker 1: trying to have guys come back to the route. But again,

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Speaker 1: if they're not getting separation and he's getting pressured, I

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Speaker 1: got no issue because it's not like he's one hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty pounds. He can take a hit. And that

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Speaker 1: one drive that Struggler got against the Chiefs, so it

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Speaker 1: was the fourth quarter and the only touchdown the Cardinals scored.

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Speaker 1: But on that twelve play eighty eight yard scoring drive,

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Speaker 1: he went five of six for seventy four yards. Including

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Speaker 1: a twenty yard touchdown pass to Ross Travis. That was

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Speaker 1: that was a great catch, very well done. Earlier on

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Speaker 1: that drive, Travis had a seventeen yard reception, but that

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Speaker 1: was a good that was a great throwing catch. And

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Speaker 1: it's all about putting good tape out there for the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals and for thirty one other teams. James Connor brought

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Speaker 1: that up earlier on Thursday because for a lot of

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Speaker 1: those players, especially in the second half, if you're on

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Speaker 1: the field late in the fourth quarter, one, there's a

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Speaker 1: reason you're likely not going to be an Arizona Cardinal.

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Speaker 1: But there's a possibility that someone else out there looks

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Speaker 1: at it and says, all right, maybe let's claim him,

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Speaker 1: or it's a possibility sometime during the course of the season. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's possible Straveler could make the initial fifty three.

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Speaker 1: I don't see three quarterbacks making this roster, I said initially.

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Speaker 1: I still I cannot see three quarterbacks making the initial roster.

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Speaker 1: I just because of the issues at the defensive line

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Speaker 1: and a numbers game. I just I can't see I

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Speaker 1: have them only keep him two. But I can see

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Speaker 1: initially because there could be a team and listen. Strevor

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Speaker 1: hopefully never plays, but if he does, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think he's made an improvement, but you still have to

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Speaker 1: have a practice squad guy on the run the scout team.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I keep two. But I'm just saying initially,

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Speaker 1: just because I do think the Ravens would have interest.

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Speaker 1: I think he's similar to kind of Tysom Hill and

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Obviously not the speed and the accuracy. But

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Speaker 1: it's all it takes is one team. But like I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm only keeping two on the active roster, but it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if they try to initially and then

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Speaker 1: cut him before Wednesday. But Taysom Hill comparison that everyone's

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Speaker 1: been making about Chris Streveler is fine if he's your

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Speaker 1: backup quarterback. But if he's not going to be your

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Speaker 1: backup quarterback, it doesn't work because, and I've heard a

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Speaker 1: lot of people say this, You're just not taking Kyle

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Speaker 1: Murray off the field for any reason whatsoever. No, and

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Speaker 1: that was obvious last year. But either thing about Tysom Hill,

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Speaker 1: he also plays on special teams. Chris Streveler is learning

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Speaker 1: to play on special teams. Now, you wouldn't have him

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Speaker 1: as a backup quarterback playing on teams. But I think

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Speaker 1: he's made I think he's improved. You could see he's

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Speaker 1: got a better grasp for the offense. They like him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you'd hate to lose him just because he's

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Speaker 1: they're going to go against mobile quarterbacks this year, and

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Speaker 1: he runs a scout team and he kind of makes

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Speaker 1: it difficult. And that's where you show you show up sometimes.

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Speaker 1: But I agree with you in the in the end,

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Speaker 1: two quarterbacks on the actor. Yeah, that's where you keep

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Speaker 1: your fingers crossed, and you hope Stradler clears waivers and

783
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Speaker 1: you get him onto the practice squad, continue his development

784
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Speaker 1: and also be that scout team quarterback to give your

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Speaker 1: first team defense a look at a mobile quarterback and

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Speaker 1: someone that's not afraid to tuck it and run. And

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Speaker 1: if you get hit, you know unexpectedly, that's okay. It's

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Speaker 1: not like a red flag goes up because it's Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray out there running around and all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: someone makes a hit on number one that you don't

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Speaker 1: want to see. No, And again, I think he should

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Speaker 1: play at least three quarters and then you know, if

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Speaker 1: like you mentioned, and I think it's a good point.

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Speaker 1: If Winners and Murray are out there and Josh Miles

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Speaker 1: and Josh Jones, and I don't know if it's Carcier,

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Speaker 1: maybe Carcia is the backup center. Yeah, then I would

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Speaker 1: play Cole mcquoy. I just don't want him out there

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Speaker 1: with the threes where he's going to take a hit

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Speaker 1: because we know that the Cardinals opponents have been able

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Speaker 1: to put pressure on the quarterback in the offensive line. Again.

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Speaker 1: The precason finale, Cardinals at the Saints, five pm kickoff,

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Speaker 1: one thirty pm pregame coverage begins on the Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Radio Network. And then two weeks before the starts of

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Speaker 1: the regular season on September twelfth, and there'll be a

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Speaker 1: lot of shuffling next week we'll get into that final

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00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: fifty three man roster. But MJ, this is it's Cards

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Speaker 1: Camp twenty twenty one is over with, and I'll say

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Speaker 1: one a special thanks to everyone in the media relations department,

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Speaker 1: Mark Dalton, Chris Melvin, Mike com Chase Russell, and Amani Suber.

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Speaker 1: But I'll give props as well. I love this loft

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Speaker 1: three zero one that we've been broadcasting from here during

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Speaker 1: Cardinals training Camp powered by Cox. I did not get

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Speaker 1: my wish. As we go back to that theme throughout

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Speaker 1: this entire episode. We will not be broadcasting from here

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Speaker 1: during the regular season, but it was a wish. It

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Speaker 1: was a great setup, and you know, we're not in

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Speaker 1: anybody's way. We do our thing. We work out of

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Speaker 1: here and all right. Jim hundred is able to get

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Speaker 1: the podcasts you know, done and post it so special

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Speaker 1: thanks to him. I don't know if people can realize

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Speaker 1: how much he does for the digital side in our department,

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Speaker 1: so it's always nice to have him here with us.

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Speaker 1: It is certainly going to be fun to get back

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Speaker 1: to normal, so to speak. But it has been a

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Speaker 1: great experience here at State Farm Stadium. Four. I think

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Speaker 1: it was twenty one or twenty two total practices including

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Speaker 1: I think maybe five or six padded practices. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you're allowed. I think it's seven over. Maybe they did

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Speaker 1: have a full seven. I have to go back. I

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Speaker 1: think they used it, but it's different. But I still

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Speaker 1: like when they do one on one drills again, I

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Speaker 1: could put your number one corner on the number one

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Speaker 1: wide receiver where you don't really get that into presea.

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Speaker 1: How about this let's reserve this lot three or three

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Speaker 1: oh one for next year, Okay, And if we keep

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Speaker 1: doing it, if we're spending enough time in here, maybe

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Speaker 1: they just you know, gift it to us for the

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Speaker 1: regular season or perhaps when the Super Bowl arrives here again.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with wishing, you know, and it's also dreaming.

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Speaker 1: There you go. Maybe that's what dream you know, what

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Speaker 1: they would tell us, keep walking, yes, stay in your lane,

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Speaker 1: keep your head down, do what you're told. Bird Gang.

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Speaker 1: The preseason finale again coming your way this Saturday, and

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Speaker 1: then next week. The fifty three man roster will be

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Speaker 1: sets in the practice squad as well next Tuesday and Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: On that note, let's put a lid on this edition

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals Scovered two, presented by Hunday, proud partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive

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Speaker 1: producer Jim Alma hundred for Mike Grecky, I'm Greg Gria

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Speaker 1: loup one last time here from lap three oh one.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Scovered two,