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Speaker 1: Paul KELVC Darren Urban Kle out to Guard When I ask,

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Speaker 1: what is your middle initial? Such a lame opening right here.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious because and I do have a point in this.

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Speaker 1: You know DRB. Wolfley was in the building recently, doesn't

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Speaker 1: isn't he found of calling you DRB? Yes? Okay? Is Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: my middle initial is D for David, Paul David. If

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Speaker 1: you're around a KLVCI family reunion, you know my aunts

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Speaker 1: because they always call me by the biblical Paul David.

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Speaker 1: That's what I go by. And and I was thinking,

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Speaker 1: you know, Kyle, whether you like it or not, on

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Speaker 1: this podcast, at least your middle initial is D for disagree,

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Speaker 1: Kyle disagree out to Guard. That's just sort of the

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Speaker 1: way it goes, not to you know, typecast you or

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Speaker 1: profile in any way as to where this might be going.

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Speaker 1: But I just thought I'd take a guess that perhaps

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Speaker 1: your middle initial also might be D see for some reason,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know Kyle's middle name. For some reason,

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Speaker 1: I was not Sebastian Kyle actually disagree. Surprise. Oh there

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Speaker 1: you go. That's it. You got it, Paul. How long

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Speaker 1: have you guys have been working next to each other

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Speaker 1: on the upper floor here at the Dignity Health Arizon,

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Speaker 1: our cardinals training. You know people's middle names, Paul, he

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Speaker 1: should be wearing an Aaron Rodgers T shirt right now

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Speaker 1: that reads I'm offended. He should genuinely serely be offended

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Speaker 1: right now that you don't know. Didn't you hire the man?

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Speaker 1: Didn't you seem like his birth certificate or something wasn't

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Speaker 1: their actual official paperwork? Yeah, that's right. We did weep

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Speaker 1: all those arrest warrants we passed on. He knows your

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Speaker 1: visa number and your sole security number, buddy, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: have your your your your middle name. That's more initially

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Speaker 1: that's why Sebastians has sound good to me. That's when

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Speaker 1: you did the background check on Kyle order Guard. You

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Speaker 1: didn't get a middle name. You didn't need the middle

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Speaker 1: name to clarify exactly. He went right past that when

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Speaker 1: he saw the rap sheet. I think it's Marcus by

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Speaker 1: the way, Marcus nice? Okay? Is that with a sea

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Speaker 1: or a kak? Okay? Marcus? Oh? Very uh? Nordic German? German?

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Speaker 1: Really all right? Well, well, the name like wolf you

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Speaker 1: have done in common with Wolfley as well the German

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Speaker 1: I believe Ronnie Paul. That's his mother, Hoopie is we're

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Speaker 1: just talking about this because Wolf takes the same vacation

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Speaker 1: every single year to rush for New York. I've been there.

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Speaker 1: I've been to the house. It's population of the town

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Speaker 1: eleven hundred. Maybe it's a farmhouse. Uh, and there and

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Speaker 1: there's Hoopie. And you think Wolf has energy, you've never

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Speaker 1: met his mom. And at eighty five years of age,

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Speaker 1: she will bring the energy and the world's best cinnamon bun.

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Speaker 1: I'll just tell you that right now. There's hope there

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Speaker 1: you go. So, oh, man, would I love to be

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Speaker 1: on the porch Hoopy's porch with that? Because they have

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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. So where are we going with this? You

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Speaker 1: know what. That's it. We're done. I'm just throwing it. Look,

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Speaker 1: once again, I'm just gonna clarify right off the top,

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Speaker 1: usually start like this. Somebody somebody's been talking about out

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Speaker 1: Nate Burilson about the Tennessee offense and I quote as

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Speaker 1: It's funny because Nate Burlson's also the guy who picked

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Speaker 1: Come on, oh yeah, I picked you is his pick?

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Speaker 1: It was two months ago here on Cardinals Underground did

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Speaker 1: NFL Comeback Player of the Year, Although I stole that

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Speaker 1: Comeback Player of the Year is number eighteen. So is

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Speaker 1: Nate Brolson. Then what is he going forty forty two

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Speaker 1: come on, now, you know you might you can buy low,

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Speaker 1: sell high? What is it right now? Because this hype

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Speaker 1: they tweeted out Nate Burolson, and he broke it all

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Speaker 1: you won't be able to put eight players in the box.

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Speaker 1: So if you don't have eight in the box. Now,

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know, I know in the past

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Speaker 1: he talked about being a two sport athlete with football

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Speaker 1: and baseball. Baseball is not there anymore. Do you still

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Speaker 1: consider yourself a two sport athlete with football and esports?

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Speaker 1: You know? Is that the direction you're thinking? And he said,

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Speaker 1: I still hold onto the three sport title, and he

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Speaker 1: sort of smiled and looked at you, and he said,

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Speaker 1: if the time came where I got to do what

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Speaker 1: I wanted to do, which I don't know, but I'm

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Speaker 1: leaving it open. I think I can still play for sure,

436
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: but we'll add the gaming onto that. Don't short change me, please.

437
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 1: If I ever had the opportunity, for sure, I would

438
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Speaker 1: definitely go for it. What are we talking about? And

439
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: at this point he's talking about ball. I'm sure anyone

440
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: asking me about it would take that opportunity as well.

441
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to start anything. I'm just talking. End

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00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: quote Kyler. When it comes to the three sport athlete, football, gaming,

443
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: and baseball again, yeah, he has not worn a ace

444
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 1: hat to the latest Suns games he has attended. However, No,

445
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: and look, he's an unbelievable athlete. And I still remember

446
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 1: after he has drafted, in the first in person interview

447
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Speaker 1: that I did with him, when he can small talk

448
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: before the cameras rolled, and I made a comment about

449
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of great golf in Arizona. You got

450
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: two teammates who know all the great golf spots, and

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00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 1: he kind of cut me off. He said, no, I

452
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Speaker 1: don't play golf. I said, really, He said, my dad

453
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 1: never let me play golf. Who had messed with like baseball? Swim?

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Speaker 1: So he's got a lot of time. He's got a

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Speaker 1: lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of

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Speaker 1: expertise invested in the game of baseball. But is it

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Speaker 1: realistic to think that you're gonna have any success of

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Speaker 1: baseball when you haven't swung a bat at a ninety

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Speaker 1: five on our slider in a couple of years, three years,

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Speaker 1: whatever it would be, it would almost certainly mean a

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00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: trip to single a ball modesto. You would be on

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Speaker 1: a bust of Bakersfield and Vissalia in the California League.

463
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: Is that realistic? Does he love baseball that much? Yeah,

464
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: he's a very toolsy prospect, and if he started at

465
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 1: twenty or twenty one years old and made his way

466
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Speaker 1: through the minors, it may have come together and he

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Speaker 1: could have been a starting center fielder in the major leagues.

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Speaker 1: But I agree with you, it's it's not super realistic

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Speaker 1: at this point because his age is advancing, because he

470
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Speaker 1: still wants to play football obviously, so it's not even

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Speaker 1: a full time job, and there's a lot of hurdles

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Speaker 1: that being said. I mean, he looks at Dion Sanders

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Speaker 1: and Bo Jackson and Brian Jordan, and it's like he

474
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Speaker 1: could be remembered forever if he played two sports at

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Speaker 1: the highest level, So you understand why that's always kind

476
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Speaker 1: of in the back of his mind. But I agree

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Speaker 1: with you, like, there's not really a feasible way for

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Speaker 1: him to get that done, especially if you're a baseball team.

479
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: Do the A's want to invest in that and have

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Speaker 1: him be in the minors half the time and maybe

481
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Speaker 1: make it as a fourth outfielder in like four years.

482
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Speaker 1: Is that really worth it to them? So I don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if there's a real avenue for him.

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Speaker 1: And with all due respect to those other guys, and

485
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Speaker 1: obviously they're all superstar players. Well, Brian Jordan quit football

486
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Speaker 1: because he realized he couldn't really do both, and both

487
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Speaker 1: Jackson and Dean Sanders. You're talking about a cornerback and

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Speaker 1: a running back, two positions where in a lot of

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Speaker 1: ways you can drop him in the lineup, especially back

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Speaker 1: when Bo was playing and even when Dion was playing,

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Speaker 1: where you know, passing games were a little less complicated

492
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Speaker 1: and you just said you go get that guy, or

493
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Speaker 1: you just carry this ball. Bow is even splitting time

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Speaker 1: with Marcus Allen, and you can't do that if you're

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. There's just no way. There's no way. And

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Speaker 1: I appreciate I do agree with Kyler when he says

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Speaker 1: if somebody would have the opportunity to play two sports,

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Speaker 1: they take that opportunity. I agree with him, and I

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Speaker 1: understand where he's coming from. But I also agree with Kyle.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's just not Fees Bowl. Nobody from the

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00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: Cardinals would. I mean, I don't know if I say

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Speaker 1: this publicly, but there's no way that they'd want that

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00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: to happen. And he knows that. I mean, there's a

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00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: reason his contract is set up the way it is. Well, yeah,

505
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 1: he's I was gonna say, he's not technically able to

506
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Speaker 1: do it right now. They put that language in his contract.

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Speaker 1: I talked to Steve Kim about that a couple of

508
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Speaker 1: years ago, and he said, we we put that in

509
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Speaker 1: his contract. He cannot play baseball under this rookie deal.

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Speaker 1: Could he play and fits his charity softball game? I'd

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Speaker 1: settle for that. I want to see Kyler swing the

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Speaker 1: bat in the charity softball games again. I don't remember who.

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Speaker 1: You know that we all got deprived bill because of

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Speaker 1: the pandemic. Now two years in a row, I haven't

515
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: been able to have the you know, I want to

516
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: see him launch softballs into the stratosphere with that swing.

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to do. The batting practice at

518
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: Dbacks like some of the other Cardinals, right right, Yeah,

519
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: and you'd look a little better than David Johnson did

520
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: back in the day. We'll just leave it at that.

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Speaker 1: He didn't. You know, it's funny. You can YouTube up

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Speaker 1: that video. Patrick Peterson was pretty good. David john He

523
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: talked a grey game and then he got in the cage.

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Speaker 1: A lot of pop beal the second page when when

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray was drafted, the Diamebacks had him out to

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Speaker 1: um the game and he threw the first pitch. I

527
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: think he did. He did, yeah, but he really lobbed it.

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Speaker 1: There was some talk about there was some talk about him,

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00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: you know, perhaps getting in the bat in cage, and

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00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: he realized that it would be a media circus if

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Speaker 1: he took. I don't know if that's happening anytime, but honestly,

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Speaker 1: when he mentions that, it's in good fun and he's smiling,

533
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Speaker 1: and to me it's sort of a but he means it,

534
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, he means it, and does he mean it?

535
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: A because he's hyper competitive and he has a whole

536
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: lifetime investment in baseball, but also be because of the contract,

537
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: the upcoming contract negotiations. Isn't it always easy leverage. Whether

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00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: it's feasible or realistic, it is a factor. It is

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00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: a possible avenue. And so when his contract does come up,

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Speaker 1: you can't tell me that there hasn't been a discussion

541
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Speaker 1: with his agent and the agent hasn't told him. You know,

542
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily a bad thing if you drop the

543
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: fact that you have another option out there that does

544
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: he have another option, the other option that we were

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00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: just talking about going to the single A And that's

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It may not be all that realistic,

547
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: but you know, it doesn't prevent him from throwing it

548
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: out there, keeping it in the arsenal. He's been kind

549
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: of randomly bringing up baseball since his rookie seasons. I

550
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: think it's just like he just talks about. I don't

551
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: think it's a huge leverage play. And I think his

552
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: leverage is going to be if he plays well in

553
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: year three, he's gonna be up in the stratosphere of

554
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: salaries in the NFL. So you know, obviously any chip

555
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: you can play helps, But I agree with there, and like,

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00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: I don't think if you're looking at the Cardinals and saying, hey,

557
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna blink because I'm gonna go play baseball. I

558
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna be very scared by that. It's

559
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: more about I'll play out my contract and then you

560
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: know you're gonna have to frame fanchise me and do

561
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: that sort of dance that Kirk Cousins and Dak Prescott did.

562
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: I think that's more of the leverage than base And

563
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: let's make this very clear. Kyler Murray quit baseball to

564
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: come play football. He quit baseball. He was already in baseball,

565
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: so we already know. I'm not saying he doesn't love

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00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: baseball or wouldn't want to play baseball, but we already

567
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: know which sport he favors, even if it's by millimeters,

568
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: because he quit one to go do the other one.

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Speaker 1: And whether it was OTA's or Mini camp. You saw

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00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: Kyler spending a lot of time with DeAndre Hopkins in

571
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: the stretching line and the warm ups and those guys,

572
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: and then de hop was the other one who had

573
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Speaker 1: a couple of comments that are worth reviewing. Here are

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground, brought you by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner

575
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Speaker 1: of the Earls and our Cardinals. And these were sort

576
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: of sarcastic, not sarcastic, you know what I mean, sort

577
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: of like Darren's sorry not sorry with some of his

578
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: comments in the mail bag where he was it was

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Speaker 1: definitely sarcast at all. Obviously, It's like the definition of

580
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: sarcasm right here. I mean when he's saying about Julio

581
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: Joe in him getting second round picks in return in

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00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: the respective trades, and then his responses quote, I would

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Speaker 1: like to see a first round pick that can do

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00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: what Julio and myself can do. Okay, And although we

585
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: did give Justin Jefferson props or what he did last year,

586
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: And then later he came back to it and Deandra A.

587
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: Hopkins saying uh and with a wry smile on his face. Shoot, Julio,

588
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: I knew. I knew I was only coming off a

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00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: first team All Pro, so I kind of figured I

590
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: might only go for a second rounder. But I was

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00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: surprised a guy like Julio would only go for a

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Speaker 1: second rounder. End quote. So once again they had big

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Speaker 1: loved they had big salary figures attached to their name,

594
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: of course, and just that alone, having to take on

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00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: the contract and that obligation and the burden brought the

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Speaker 1: price down the asking price down from a first to

597
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Speaker 1: a second rounder, and I think they both understand that. Yeah,

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00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: so they have fun with it. To be fair to

599
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: de hop his was surprising. Yea, they should have gotten

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Speaker 1: the first round pick knowing that the David Johnson salary

601
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: went to Euston. But no, Yeah, I mean your point

602
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: is well taken that there's a salary, there's a salary involved,

603
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: there's an injury history, there is an age question there,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons why Julio didn't go for

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Speaker 1: a first round pick. Honestly, if you were to get

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Speaker 1: Steve Kim in the trust tree and we'll never have this,

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Speaker 1: would he have done a deal without DeAndre Hopkins, that

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Speaker 1: same deal without DeAndre Hopkins, just do salary, dump that

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Speaker 1: contract to David Johnson, take the same trade, delete DeAndre

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Speaker 1: Hopkins from it. Would Steve Kim have still done that

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Speaker 1: deal just to get rid of David Johnson's Honestly, that's

612
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: how lopsided the deal was. It was grand theft all

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Speaker 1: pro receiver. That's I mean, you're not trading the second

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Speaker 1: round pick for that for that much salary, for that

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Speaker 1: salary relief. But but yeah, it was a lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you know, anyway, I'm not trying to up and

617
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: he scabs off all your Texans fans who listen to us.

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Speaker 1: To me, anything that serves his motivation. When you're DeAndre

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Speaker 1: Hopkins and you've set records, and you've been a first

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Speaker 1: team All Pro three times in your career and your

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Speaker 1: a Pro bowler seven times over, anything whether it's real

622
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: or perceived, that serves as fuel, as motivation that gets

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Speaker 1: you out there, just given maybe a little more of

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00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: a catalyst or impetus to prove yourself on a down

625
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: by down basis isn't a bad thing to me. It

626
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: just isn't. So if he wants to use this as

627
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: the crawl under his helmet, that's gonna, you know, just

628
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: spark him to more record setting performances. Great continue to

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Speaker 1: If I'm Mark Dalton, Senior VP of Media Relations around

630
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Speaker 1: here in communications, I keep giving him everything I printed

631
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Speaker 1: out off the internet, I hand it to DeAndre Hopkins,

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00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: I leave it in his lock. Here's one of the

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00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: things I love about de hop because he's he. I

634
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: think he's always been like this as far as I

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00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: can tell. It's straight out of the Larry Fitzgerald Handbook,

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00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: which always kind of cracks me up. And let me

637
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Speaker 1: make this very clear. I do not think they're lying

638
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: or saying things out of turn here. But he sits

639
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: there and he says, DeAndre Hopkins, I don't think about

640
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: my numbers. I don't care about my numbers. All I

641
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: want to do is win, which is something that Larry

642
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: would always say, which we all know, especially with Larry,

643
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: he absolutely cared about his numbers, and DeAndre Hopkins absolutely

644
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: cares about his numbers. Now you can reconcile this by

645
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: saying both and both of them probably did in their

646
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: heads of course, helping my team win. You're best served

647
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: by getting us the ball lots of times and that's

648
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: gonna make us win. And that's not incorrect either, but

649
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: it is kind of funny. I mean, if if they

650
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: went out and won a Super Bowl and DeAndre Hopkins had,

651
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, fifty catches for eight hundred ninety yards and

652
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: three touchdowns, I think he would be thrilled, but there

653
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: would be a part of them that would be a

654
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: little bit disappointed. So that always kind of cracks me up.

655
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: And there's no real question about DeAndre Hopkins this year.

656
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: The question is what will he get around him. Yea,

657
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: and Kyle, you brought this up. And we did a

658
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: recent addition to a debate this which should be up

659
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: at as Cardinals dot com and or the Cardinals YouTube page.

660
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: And the question was about, Okay, which guy is going

661
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: to have a throwback season? Which one of the new

662
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: additions is going to have a throwback season? And my

663
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: selection was Aj Green and and I just said, look,

664
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, when it came to yards after catch, if

665
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: your name wasn't DeAndre Hopkins last year, your first name

666
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: was Jack and your last name was squat, That's just

667
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: the way it was. The Cardinals didn't get a lot

668
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: of production in that department. So if you can get

669
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: him some catchable passes unlike he had from the three

670
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: quarterbacks last year in Cincinnati, you get Aj Green off

671
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: the turf onto the real deal. It's amazing how many

672
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: of the former Bengals say that both the practice facility

673
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: and the game turf were just horrendous for guys in

674
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: their thirties and all the above. And now he's actually

675
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: motivated and he has to. He's an approve it deal

676
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: and a prove it atmosphere with a brand new team.

677
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: He wants to prove himself to his teammates. I mean,

678
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 1: everything is there organically for AJ Green to have a

679
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: real comeback season. The question is, okay, you know, will

680
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: it come to be? Yeah? I mean you look at

681
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: the sixteen game numbers last year and they're they're very

682
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: small for the type of production he got, and that's

683
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: a little bit worrisome. And being thirty three, it's not

684
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: like he's thirty or thirty one, and he has the injuries.

685
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: So I'm more of a weight to see what he

686
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: looks like in camp type guy. I'm not ready to

687
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: kind of push that narrative. I think right now Christian

688
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: Kirk is more likely to be second on the team

689
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: in receiving yards more so than AJ Green. We'll see

690
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: how it shakes out. I mean AJ Green has a

691
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: phenomenal historical look. I mean in the NFL, he's been

692
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: one of the best receivers in the last twenty years,

693
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: so he's got that pedigree. But at this age, with

694
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: this injury history, with what he produced last year, I'm

695
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: just not ready to be on the comeback player of

696
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: the year hype train quite yet. I think Christian Kirk

697
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: is the guy I'm watching where he's going into his

698
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: fourth season, he's in the slot where I think he

699
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: can be productive and maybe he's the one that's going

700
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: to break out and be that number two option alongside

701
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. See that's Paul. That's where Nate Burlson agrees

702
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: with you. And we wheel back to Nate Burlson talking

703
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: about how he thinks AJ Green is gonna have a

704
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: really big year. That was his pick. Yeah, I'm trying

705
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: to remember who the other ones were of guys that

706
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: maybe are a little bit under the radar but that

707
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: are going to have just giant years or really blow

708
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: up people away with the years they have. And I

709
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: don't know what that means for AJ Green, Like I

710
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: mean to me, I with all due respect to AJ Green,

711
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: if he somehow gets a thousand yards, even in a

712
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: seventeen game season, that would blow me away. That would

713
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: be that would be a heck of a prove it

714
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: signing right there, especially with what he's been through. Well,

715
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: the comp that's been thrown out there, maybe even here

716
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: on Cardinals Underground is Larry Fitzgerald. At age thirty three,

717
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: thirty four thirty five, he had one oh seven one

718
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: o nine one hundred nine catches. If memory serves had

719
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: unbelievably productive seasons, some of the best numbers of his

720
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: career right in that early to mid thirties range. And

721
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: so the question he comes, all, right, aj Green an

722
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: elite talent, is he's someone who can replicate that. Well,

723
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: here's why he's not going to replicate it because Larry

724
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: though at that point, was still the most targeted receiver

725
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: on the team, and Ajan Green's not going to get

726
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: that with DeAndre Hopkins here, I mean DeAndre Hopkins. You

727
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: know all those one hundred catch seasons that Larry was

728
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: doing in setting team records, Well, DeAndre Hopkins broke that

729
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: in one year with his hundred fifteen catches. So DeAndre

730
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: Hopkins is going to get targeted the most. And again

731
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: I agree with Kyle in terms of I'm curious to

732
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: see where Christian Kirk, who, by the way, in an

733
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: indirect way, because he obviously didn't sign a one year deal,

734
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: but he's going into his contractor too, so he's an

735
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: approved situation. You know, all these guys, there's there's a

736
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: lot on the line in terms of getting them the

737
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: ball and seeing what they can do. And you know,

738
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds, I mean That's that's where it's really going

739
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: to be interesting as well. You know, we talked last

740
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: week about where Chandler Jones is with his contract, and

741
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: there's so many guys that have a lot on the

742
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: line to produce this year because they are going to

743
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: be going into free agency as of right now, uh

744
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. I think AJ Green's height on

745
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: the outside is interesting though, where if if teams do

746
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: decide to double DeAndre Hopkins and AJ Green has one

747
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: on one, can you just throw him the ball? Yes,

748
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: while being covered and he can catch that ball fifty

749
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: fifty ball. Kevin Butler having an outlet like that could

750
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: drastically help Kyler Murray if they can, if they can

751
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: do it, and that's what I'm interested to see because

752
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: if if you can get that type of thing on

753
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: the outside that wasn't available with Christian Kirk who's five

754
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: eleven six foot you you haven't had that guy. And

755
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins does it and we've seen Kyler Murray one

756
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: on one, I'm throwing you that ball, catch it, And

757
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: if you can do that on both sides, that's that's

758
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,479
Speaker 1: a big deal for the offense. Once again, everybody now

759
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: if I said, over the last fifteen years, give me

760
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: the three best receivers at contested catches, Larry Fitzgerald, DeAndre Hopkins,

761
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: AJ Green. Honestly, yeah, Alio Jones doesn't fit in there. Yeah,

762
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: there's somebody they're up there, sure, Odell, But no, I

763
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: mean in terms of contested catches in traffic, I mean

764
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: Odell's elite. But in AJ Green back when he was

765
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: getting double and triple teamed as the only option with

766
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: the Bengals and still coming down with that ball every

767
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: bit of six foot four. Yeah, it's gonna be intriguing.

768
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: And I think we're gonna get a real sense in

769
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: training camp. You think, oh, come on, a guy's gonna

770
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: at his age and training camp he's just gonna be

771
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: ready for September twelve. No, that's not the word. AJ Green. Supposedly,

772
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: practice is really hard. What he is he is to

773
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: the practice field, Robert Alford is to the practice field.

774
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: You see that segue, gentleman, because our next topic was

775
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: Robert alf You're the hell of a driver, So that

776
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: that was a segue right there. But honestly, when we

777
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: look out at the defense the last two years before

778
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: Robert Alford has gone down with a season ending injury

779
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: in camp? Was he not the guy you couldn't take

780
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: your eyes off of on defense? He was loud, he

781
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: was physical, he was always saying something to someone. Stern

782
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: it up, sort of like Darren with a baseball question

783
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: here recently, stern up something you know just uh, you know,

784
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: middle initials to Kyle's men initial as D for disagree.

785
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: Darren's recently has been TMZ. That's his the and and

786
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: so now if you get an aj AJ green against

787
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: Robert Alford, I'm calling it right here, good point, there's

788
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: gonna be some fireworks. I think it was Robert Alford

789
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: versus demere Bird a couple of years ago, and unfortunately

790
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: they were practicing so hard that Robert Alford ran into

791
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: demere Bird, ran in Alford's leg and broke it. Yeah,

792
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: and you better getting ready to separate those two and

793
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: get getting there quick. Honestly, if you want guys that

794
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: practice hard, I mean injuries are gonna happen. I think

795
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: the guys that have that type of competitive spirit, I

796
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: think that's who you want, even though there is an

797
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: injury risk. I think just especially guys that are at

798
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: that point in their career is like DeAndre Hopkins doesn't

799
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: need to practice. He's going to be an all pro

800
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: no matter how much he's doing stuff in training camp.

801
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: But the second tier guys I think need to prove

802
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: themselves and be at the tip top spot that they

803
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: can be in order to make that above average type

804
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: impact that you want. From Alford and aj Green, what

805
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: were your takeaways after listening to Robert Alfred. He spent

806
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: almost ten minutes with the media between what Buddha Baker

807
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: said about him, between what Byron Murphy said about him

808
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: in terms of him going and locking stuff up, I

809
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: think was the quote from Buddha Baker. It sounds like

810
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: he's been competitive based on the way teammates are talking

811
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: about him and the way he talked about himself. Sounds

812
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: like there aren't any restrictions on him and he's ready

813
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: to go. I mean, I've never had any concerns that

814
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: Robert Alford was going to want to fight to resiscitate

815
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: his career essentially, and he even said I never gave

816
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: any thoughts of retiring. He told me I talked to

817
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: him a few minutes other than the Zoom call, and

818
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, he was like, look, I got people I

819
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: gotta take care of I never thought about retiring. There

820
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: were some dark times in terms of rehab two years

821
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: in a row, but I never once thought about walking away.

822
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: And I don't think he's like super angry that people

823
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: are in this place. But I mean, he took a

824
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: pay cut. He knows that if he wants to keep playing,

825
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: this is probably his last shot because of everything he's

826
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: been through. So I don't doubt any of that. The

827
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: question is is whatever he is, thirty two thirty three,

828
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: are going to be thirty three? You know, can you

829
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: still do it on the field. I mean, there there

830
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: are lots of guys who don't want to walk away

831
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: from the game that still burn to play. They just

832
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: athletically they just can't keep up anymore. I know, I

833
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: don't know if that's Robert Alfred or not, but we're

834
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: not going to know that until training camp in games,

835
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: and we're not talking about him coming back from some

836
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: grotesque knee injury, a tyrone Matthew knee injury. I mean

837
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: it was a torn pack and then a fractured lower

838
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: leg bone or ankle bone or whatever it was. I mean,

839
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: if I'm Robert Alfred, I can understand where You're like,

840
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to let that in my career, right, Yeah,

841
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: those two injuries have nothing to do with playing cornerback. Yeah,

842
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: I think you can chalk those up to the freak injuries.

843
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 1: And but I mean, you've seen guys that just kind

844
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: of get the random injuries a lot throughout their whole career.

845
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: But Tyrone's a good example, Like he was super injury

846
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: prone for like three or four years there in the

847
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: middle of his career, and since he left Arizona, he's

848
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: been very healthy. So I don't know if I really

849
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: buy into this injury prone thing. If it especially if

850
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: it's like you said, a broken leg and a peck

851
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: and if you have an ACL and then then you

852
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: slow down because of that or your body has to

853
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: comp say, and that becomes more injury prone. I could

854
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: see that part of it, but I agree with you

855
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: where he's fully healthy and he doesn't have any of

856
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: those in his background like Achilles ACL's type thing, so

857
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: maybe he will bounce back. It's just because he's been

858
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: injured so often and because of his age. I think

859
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: you have to head your bets, and clearly they did

860
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: with Darques Dinard and with Vans Joseph talking about Byron

861
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: Murphy so highly, saying that you know, basically he's our

862
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: top cornerback. And does that mean that they have designs

863
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: of playing him on the outside when they're not in nickel.

864
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he's in that group of playing outside

865
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: cornerback in base defense. I don't know exactly what they're

866
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: gonna do, but that's an option too. And then it

867
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: would be Malcolm Butler and Robert Alford fighting for the

868
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: other outside corner spot, which would be another wrinkling camp.

869
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: Can I say this that when it comes to having

870
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 1: hard nosed cornerbacks, the Cardinals are gonna lead the league

871
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: Between Robert Alford, Malcolm Butler, and Byron Murph, who will

872
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: hit you? Yeah, Byron Murphy has no fear. I mean,

873
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: at least I know the primary job description is to

874
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: cover receivers. Okay, I get that the cornerback run defense

875
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: is going way up, and ideally your corners aren't doing

876
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: a lot of tackling. But guess what, it is an

877
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: important part of the game, and you have to bring

878
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: some run force and those guys aren't going to hesitate.

879
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: And you got Buddha at safety. Jalen Thompson will stick

880
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: his nose in the fan too. I mean, I do

881
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: say that I agree with you that they're gonna be

882
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: willing to be physical. Now, again, the game is sixty

883
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: five to seventy percent passing, and you better find a

884
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: way that to cover guys. But but Malcolm Butler with

885
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: over one hundred tackles as a corner, now, was that

886
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: because he was letting guys catch the ball and then

887
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: he tackled him immediately? As some of these snarky, you

888
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: know haters out online we're saying, I don't know, I

889
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: didn't watch all his games last year. I can't tell

890
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: you what the film says, but the stats say. I'll

891
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: tell you what Rob Moore said. We're doing interviews as

892
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: part of this whole documentary series former Cardinals receiver and

893
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: the t his receivers coach, Rob Moore, and I brought

894
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: up Malcolm Butler and he immediately said, and I quote, oh,

895
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna bring it every day. Rob more about Malcolm

896
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: Butler like he's gonna fight you every down. So that's

897
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: the kind of if the Cardinals wanted to get more

898
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: physical in the offseason, which Steve Kim has said repeatedly,

899
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: guess what, Malcolm Butler and Robert Alfred, if those end

900
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: up being your starting corners, well you can check that box.

901
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: And people got frustrated with Patrick Peterson when he was

902
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: here because he wasn't that type of physical cornerback and

903
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: for the vast majority of his career he was so

904
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: sticky in coverage that you could overlook it and it

905
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But when you start trending toward being more

906
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: average like he was the last two seasons, and that

907
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: can be a negative associated with you when you're not

908
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: really helping out against the run and when a guy's

909
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: breaking away, you're not always given it one hundred percent

910
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: effort to track him down or tackle. And it sure

911
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: seems like, like you said, Butler and Buyer, Murphy and

912
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: Alfred will be willing to do that. And maybe that

913
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 1: does matter because we've seen what broken tackles can do,

914
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: especially in the modern day NFL when there's a lot

915
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: of throw the ball quickly to a receiver and see

916
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: what he can do in space. If you can tackles,

917
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: that's a big deal and maybe that will be a

918
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: change in the secondary. If you look at the transcript

919
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: advanced Joseph's press conference here recently, and I think the

920
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: first question off the top had to do with, all, right,

921
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: where does this defense need to be better in twenty

922
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: twenty one. The first thing he said, I'm looking at

923
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: it right here quote improved tackling. That was the first

924
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: thing he said, improved tackling and then make more plays

925
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: on the ball. Okay, And I think like the improved

926
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: tackling to me a lot of times was just a

927
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: talent deficiency, especially two years ago and then last year,

928
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: Like I remember the Carolina game, and you can say

929
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: improved tackling, but that's when they were down to like

930
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: their fourth and fifth string safeties, and those guys just

931
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: aren't as talented like you can be in the spot.

932
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: But if you had Curtis Riley out there, he's not

933
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: going to make the same play as Buddha Baker. So

934
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: I think some of it is just bringing the talent

935
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: level up on the defense, which I think they've done.

936
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: But also if you can do your fundamentals and do

937
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: your technique and stop guys from getting away from you,

938
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: it's a big deal. I did not think we're going

939
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: to get a Curtis Riley mentioned today and by the way,

940
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: when it comes to the whole tackling thing, the fact

941
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: that they selected Zavian Collins number sixteen overall and gave

942
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: him the job immediately. I'm just putting two and two together,

943
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: and I'm guessing they weren't all that happy with the

944
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: tackling of their middle linebacker last year, and that's why

945
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: they gave him permission to seek or trade and they're

946
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: looking to upgrade at that position and why they're willing

947
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: to deal with the learning curve that a rookie will

948
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: present at the mica linebacker spot. I mean, I don't know.

949
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody said that, but it's possible. I mean,

950
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: I think it's clear that they were trying to move

951
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 1: in that direction with Isaiah Simmons last year. It didn't

952
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: surprise me necessarily that they got another inside linebacker. I mean,

953
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks has been in the league for a number

954
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: of years too. At some point, you're gonna have to

955
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: kind of move on and if you feel like this

956
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: guy is a special player, and the more they've talked

957
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: about it, again, we talk about everybody talks about the

958
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: NFL being a copycat league, and you know, if if

959
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: you're on a team, and you're Steve Kime and you

960
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: watch the forty nine ers. Again, we've met this before,

961
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: but you've seen the forty nine ers with uh Bowman

962
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: and Patrick Willison even now with uh Um. Yeah, and

963
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: Joseph was on that staff with the Navarro Bowman and

964
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 1: Patrick Wright, so and and and now they've got green

965
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 1: Law and Warner and and that's a very nice duo.

966
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: And you know, for the number of years Seattle dominated

967
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: with kJ Wright and Wagner. And it's like, I can

968
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: understand where that would be attractive if if you see

969
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: defense in a certain way. Now you got to do

970
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: some other things. We talked about the cornerbacks. You're gonna

971
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: have to cover the receivers out wide, and you're gonna

972
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: have to get a pass rush and and figure that out.

973
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: And you know, get Dennis Gardeck back healthy, and get

974
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones happy and playing, and you know, hopefully get

975
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden in the mix and all that, and hopefully

976
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: JJ Watt provides you an inside presence. But I understood

977
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: why they would go to those rookies in the middle,

978
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: and I like that. Vance Joseph also said, look, they're

979
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: gonna make mistakes. So I'm bracing myself already for the

980
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: number of fans going this is crazy. You should have

981
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: played Jordan Hicks the whole time. And because Savan Collins

982
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: gave up that touchdown, well just repeat to yourself everybody now,

983
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: players first scheme second. That was the quote from Bans

984
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 1: Joseph Players first scheme. Second. This game is about making plays,

985
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals have made the decision that they're going

986
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: to go with the athleticism and the talent at inside linebacker.

987
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: And notice how he didn't task Savan Collins with anything

988
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: more than just calling the defense and getting ready to

989
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: play your position. He said, leave everything else to the

990
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: JJ Watts in the Buddha Bakers. Don't worry about any

991
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: other having to bring any other extra energy for anybody

992
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: else are providing any of that leadership, he said, Just

993
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 1: worry about making the call and then making your plays

994
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,959
Speaker 1: in your reads. And so that's what's on his plate.

995
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: And at least some of the information that's been offered

996
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: by his teammates seems encouraging, like when a Buddha baker

997
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 1: says that Savan Collins knows football and has the football IQ,

998
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: which he said with the media and offered that up

999
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: on his own. At least it gives you hope that, Okay,

1000
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: he's getting traction. Initially, what that's going to mean in

1001
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,959
Speaker 1: the regular season, we have no idea, but at least

1002
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: he's not lost, and they haven't already given the green

1003
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: dot to somebody else because that has happened in the past. Yeah,

1004
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they annointed him the starter so

1005
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: earlier that they're definitely gonna ride it until it's like

1006
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: glaringly obvious that he can't do it. So I don't

1007
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: know if there's a backup plan right now. And I

1008
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: think the Seahawks are an example of a defense that

1009
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: was super simple that was effective when they had the

1010
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: legion of Boom and like Darren mentioned, Bobby wag and

1011
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: Kja right at linebacker, and they just said, we have

1012
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: so much talent that you can know what we're doing

1013
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: and we're still going to do it better than what

1014
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: your offense does. And I think that's kind of the

1015
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: goal with those two guys in the middle. Is Isaiah

1016
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,959
Speaker 1: Simmons is such an athletic freak, and what they think

1017
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: Zaven Collins can be is similar, where they're very high

1018
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: on Zaven Collins. We haven't seen it at the NFL

1019
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: level like we have with Isaiah Simmons, but they hope

1020
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: that those two guys can just play so well and

1021
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 1: be so athletic that it works out. And there are

1022
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: downsides like Daone Buchanan and Hassan Reddick. We're supposed to

1023
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: be this nice inside linebacker pairing, which did not work,

1024
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: and that defense had a lot of trouble in twenty

1025
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: eighteen because the inside linebacker group was not good. So

1026
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm very interested to see what it looks like because

1027
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: you've got Sean McVeigh and you've got Kyle Shanahan in

1028
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: your division, and those guys are looking at two young

1029
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: inside linebackers and saying, how can we manipulate these two

1030
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: players show them things that they're not expecting. We've seen

1031
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: that little route a hundred times from Al Shanahan. It

1032
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: keeps burning the Cardinals, and you know he's thinking of

1033
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: things to do against these guys who are superior athletes.

1034
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: But can they get their mentally in time in a

1035
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: season that's so important for the Cardinals. Wait, wait to

1036
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: bring us down, Kyle. Yeah, forget the forty nine ers.

1037
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: I'm sick of the Patrick Willis, Navarrel Bowman thing, let's

1038
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: go with um Carlos Stansby and Daryl Washington that one

1039
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: year twenty Let's do that. Yeah, that's because that's what

1040
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: we want to bring up lots of Daryl Washington because

1041
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: Darren needs a d wash reminder out there for more

1042
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: mail bag submissions. You know. So they were great year,

1043
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: the two of them. They were. They were very dynamic,

1044
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: were they not? The differences? Carlos Stansby had a lot

1045
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: of experience under his belt and he was able to

1046
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: to make a lot of changes and calls and sort

1047
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: of direct the young d Wash And you don't have

1048
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 1: that right now. Yeah, Like, obviously, I'm a big analytics guy,

1049
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: so I believe in taking edge rushers and cornerbacks early

1050
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: in the draft, and that's where I would always kind

1051
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: of look at first. But I can't deny that a

1052
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: good inside linebacker duo can really help your defense. Like

1053
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: you said, do you wash and Carlos Dansby, that was

1054
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: a big deal. I don't think inside linebackers are as

1055
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: valuable as cornerbacks and edge rushers, but if you find

1056
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: two that are elite, it's obviously going to help you

1057
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: quite a bit once again the Super Bowl champion Tampa

1058
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers, and when you looked at their defense, all

1059
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 1: eyes went to the inside linebackers Devin Smith and Lavant

1060
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: Day David. I defy you to watch the Buccaneers in

1061
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: the postseason, which is all I really saw ad Tampa

1062
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: last year. But how could you? I mean, the essence

1063
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: of that defense was Devin White and Lavante David. What

1064
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: is it not? Yeah, I mean, for everything that Shaq

1065
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: Barritt did and all that, I mean, it was those

1066
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: two backers who went sideline to sideline just rereaked havoc

1067
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 1: all over the field. So Tom Brady was pretty good,

1068
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: we'll see. I'm saying, yeah, I know, but hey, inside linebackers,

1069
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: as a clish shay gooes are only as good as

1070
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: a defensive linement in front of them. And there's my

1071
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: next segue into Vance Joseph talking about maybe a surprise

1072
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: name you didn't expect along that defensive front because Chandler Jones,

1073
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: J J. Watt, the two young guys out of the

1074
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 1: draft in the fourth round a year ago, or Shard Lawrence,

1075
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: who definitely looks good. I thought, as far as a

1076
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: mini camp can go, always be where when yours truly

1077
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 1: is talking about lineman in a mini camp when they're

1078
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: in shorts and no shoulder pads. Okay, not many real

1079
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: conclusions you go raw, But there are certain guys who

1080
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: maybe you think, okay, all right, we got our eyes

1081
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: on him when training camp begins, and one of those

1082
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: guys would definitely be Zach Allen to me at least

1083
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: every time. And maybe it's because the D lineman always

1084
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: ended up in front of the media and we had

1085
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: a front row seat, whereas the offense was a good

1086
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: sixty yards away, and I was like, no, I didn't

1087
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: bring my binoculars, okay, so it was easy to see

1088
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: the D linman because they're in front of us. But man,

1089
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: Zach Allen, he was as adept and as quick and

1090
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: as ferocious hitting those bags as anyone. Yeah, I mean,

1091
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: you're right, he definitely. You watch him in drills and

1092
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: he does stand out. He's got quickness that a lot

1093
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: of the other guys don't have. And it would be

1094
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: nice of it if it translates, because his first two

1095
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: years he's had a couple of good moments, but he

1096
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: hasn't solidified himself as that clear cut third starter. In

1097
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: the base defense. I think Richard Lawrence is trying to

1098
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: push to get in that mix, and we'll see how

1099
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: Lucky Foto comes along. But yeah, you know they're high

1100
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: on Lawrence and they've said good things about Zach Allen,

1101
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: so I think both of those guys it's an important year.

1102
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: You know, you've got JJ Watt and Jordan Phillips leading

1103
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: that group, and you can play them and try to

1104
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: push it and play them eighty eighty five percent of

1105
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: the time if the guys behind them aren't doing that well,

1106
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: if they are, you can bring that down and say, hey,

1107
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: we're going to rescue veterans, especially on the downs where

1108
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: maybe they're running the ball and you guys can just

1109
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: get out there and pass rush. That's valuable to a

1110
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: defensive line if you can have those guys. So yeah,

1111
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if Zach Allen and Richard Lawrence can take

1112
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: that nice little jump, it would definitely helped that group.

1113
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: There was a great moment where Zach Allen really excelled

1114
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 1: on one of the drills and he stood out like, Okay,

1115
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: he just aced that thing better and anybody else had

1116
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 1: just completed that little obstacle course or whatever. Brentson Buckner

1117
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: has going there and Jordan Phillips. You could tell, like

1118
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: guys are getting to know each other pretty well when

1119
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,720
Speaker 1: they start busting shops. And Jordan Phillips said, he said, hey, Zach,

1120
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: he said, forget ninety nine to exactly use that f word,

1121
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: forget forget ninety nine leading all the drills. You should

1122
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: be leading the drills after Zach Allen completed his circuit.

1123
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: And so they're busting, you know, because J. J. Watson

1124
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: went with all the cameras on him and everything else,

1125
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: and okay, he's leading the drills, and so anyway, it's

1126
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: you could tell already there's a little bit of camaraderie

1127
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: between some of the defensive lineman. They're busting at each other,

1128
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: which is, you know, good to see. I think, I think,

1129
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: I think Zach Allen's got a great chance here playing

1130
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 1: behind or working with JJ Watt. And he's talked about

1131
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: how much he admires JJ Watt, But let's face it,

1132
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: Zach Allen's also getting to that point where you're gonna

1133
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: need to see something significant, and this is that year,

1134
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm I'm hoping he turns it. I

1135
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: do like Zach a lott as a person, and I

1136
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: do think he's motivated and he's got that work ethic.

1137
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: But again, I feel the same way about Andy Isabella,

1138
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: Like I've seen him out there and the guy works

1139
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: his butt off. It's just the question of whether it's

1140
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: actually going to happen. So on the defensive line, is

1141
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: there's still room for Corey Peters? What do you think

1142
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: is there we're expecting to tight end. Yes, they just

1143
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: address corner with dark ques Denard. I don't know if

1144
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: there's any other positions where you guys have on the

1145
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: radar for a time time sign But to me, I

1146
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: think Corey Peters is out there. A. Is he healthy

1147
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: coming off the knee injury. B. Is he willing to

1148
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: settle for something pretty darn close to the veterans minimum?

1149
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: Do you think there's room for him? You heard Vans

1150
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: Joseph talking about Richard Lawrence really being on the nose

1151
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: and Lucky Poet can play up in Dell all along

1152
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: the defensive line, including no tackle at three hundred thirty plus,

1153
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: I'd love to get a real weight reading. By the way,

1154
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm lucky photo that's just me and so that's really

1155
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: where Corey Peters is best suited, although he can play

1156
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: the three technique as well. I'm just curious, you know,

1157
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: because I think we're all fond of Corey Peters and

1158
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: and just the guy is and the guy who was

1159
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: voted captain last year, but I don't know if there's

1160
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: really room for him right now. Yeah, and they signed

1161
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: Xavier Williams, who plays nose tackle too. I think it

1162
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: would probably be a situation where you go into camp

1163
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: and you put the pads on, and if our nose

1164
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: is getting blown up consistently and they're running the ball

1165
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: right up the middle with James Connor, and hey, you're

1166
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: going against Rodney Hudson, so maybe you will find that out.

1167
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: But maybe then you make a call and try to

1168
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: figure it out. And you know, like Domatopeco came in

1169
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: last year and did a pretty good job. Nose tackles

1170
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: aren't expensive. They're pretty easy to find. It's a position

1171
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: like running back, where there is more supply than demand usually,

1172
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: so I think it's it's not a need or an

1173
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,439
Speaker 1: issue by any means. I think you can find nose

1174
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: tackles pretty easily, and it'll become evident in camp where

1175
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: we start. Lawrence and Foe two and Xavier Williams and

1176
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: maybe even Jordan Phillips at times. If those guys can

1177
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: do it, you probably stick with the younger guys who

1178
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: have more upside and if not, almost like the Lyle

1179
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: sin Line years, where hey, we're not going to bring

1180
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: you in the off season, but hey, when we get

1181
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: to camp, if it's not working out, come on back

1182
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: and we'll plug you right into that starting spot. Yeah.

1183
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like it's going to be one

1184
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: of those wait and see kind of things, only if

1185
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: they need it, and we'll see if Corey might have

1186
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: another chance. You talk about the money, and maybe he

1187
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: wants to wait to see what team might need somebody,

1188
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, puts up his price. I'm curious, Paul, what

1189
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: you were mentioning. Is there room for Corey Peters? Is

1190
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: there more room in that room for Corey Peters or

1191
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: is there more room for Larry Fitzgerald in the wider sun? Oh?

1192
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: Could Larry be pulling the same scenario College just described

1193
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: with the Corey Peters. Could Larry in a Lyle sin

1194
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: Line is Larry waiting? So maybe the first week a

1195
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: camp and they go, yeah, you know what, guess what,

1196
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,479
Speaker 1: Maybe we're not quite as deep as we thought here

1197
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: at receiver, and this offense could use number eleven after all. Nah,

1198
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you you know what you have in Christian.

1199
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: I was looking up Christian Kirk's stats the other day,

1200
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: and for as much as we said, he didn't live

1201
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: up to what he what we thought he was going

1202
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: to be, and he didn't. He didn't have the year

1203
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: that anybody thought. He was fifty fifth in the NFL

1204
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: among receivers in receiving yards. So it's like, that's borderline

1205
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: low end, number two receiver if you've got you know,

1206
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: sixty receivers, so like, but he disappeared over the second

1207
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: that season. There was a six game stretch you don't,

1208
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: you don't and fifty yards total receiving. What happened? Where

1209
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: did he go? So? So if he had a slow

1210
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: start and a hot finish, you'd be a lot more

1211
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: excited about That's what I'm saying that I'm talking about

1212
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: the consistency though, I think you just have to look

1213
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: at it and aggregate what he did during the season.

1214
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: And he had big games and had some down games,

1215
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: but so does everybody. I mean, DeAndre Hopkins had big

1216
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: games and down down games. I think I'm not saying

1217
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk is great, but at this point in his career,

1218
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: if he's a high end number three playing the slot,

1219
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: and then you've got Rondelle Moore, who you want to

1220
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: get on the field, who you need to get on

1221
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: the field. Who does Larry Fitzgerald take playing time from? Okay, well,

1222
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: I forgot that. That's what the topic was. We slipped

1223
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: there a little by the way before I forget. J. J.

1224
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: Watt hasn't caught a pass since twenty fourteen. I think,

1225
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: so you guys are gonna be wrong, But in twenty

1226
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: fourteen he had three touchdown receptions. Du Look, we are

1227
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: talking about inconsistency as of receivers. Now, maybe is there

1228
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: room in the receiver room for J. J. Watt? We

1229
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: need to pull that soundclip of Kyle, who's normally very convicted.

1230
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: He's a very dogmatic individual. And for when I asked

1231
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: about the Larry Fitzgerald, you know, the quote was, uh,

1232
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: you know, so that was trying to formulate my thought.

1233
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: That was the antithesis of conviction right right there. What

1234
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: is wrong with you? Kyle? Sebastian ode Guard. So what

1235
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: is Larry waiting for? Once again, we pose the question

1236
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: of the offseason. Why they'll wait as Suns? Right? Is that?

1237
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: What is that? What it is? Did I see where?

1238
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: If they actually make it to Game seven of the

1239
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: NBA Finals, it takes us into July July twenty second,

1240
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: which is like right on the doorstep of training camp,

1241
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: I would believe. So it's like, if he's really waiting

1242
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: for the very end of the Sun season, which I'm

1243
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: beginning to think he would have a hard time if

1244
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: he's if he's gonna say something, which we don't know

1245
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: at this point. Now I'm starting to wonder if he's

1246
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: gonna say anything at all, which I've said before, but um,

1247
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna step all over the Suns.

1248
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: They have a nice break right now. You could do it,

1249
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: get it done with. I wouldn't even starve the Western

1250
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: Conference Finals for another week. I would love for that

1251
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: to happen. He's not gonna do so. On July fourth,

1252
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna have the hot dog eating contest shout out

1253
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: Joey chusnot San Jose, and then we're gonna have the

1254
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: NBA Finals on July fourth as well. I need to

1255
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: mentally prepare for this way. Is that true? Is I

1256
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: don't know, as I'm wondering. I just going in July

1257
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: twenty second. I just saw the July twenty second. I mean,

1258
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: are we even gonna be through the conference finals on

1259
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: July fourth at this point? Oh my god, I'm wondering

1260
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: for the Suns. If you go game seven, if you

1261
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: make it all the way to the championship, you go

1262
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: to July twenty second, and the NBA is still planning

1263
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: on starting it's the year normal? Are we gonna Is

1264
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: Chris Paul gonna play like fifty games next year? So

1265
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we got sons in four in

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Speaker 1: Western Conference finals and sons and four in the finals,

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Speaker 1: so it's gonna be quick. That works for me, you know,

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Speaker 1: I tweeted this out. In hindsight, we should have known.

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Speaker 1: We should have known the Suns we're gonna make a

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Speaker 1: run this year, the first time in a ten eleven years,

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Speaker 1: are actually gonna do something to make the postseason because

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Speaker 1: Larry decided to buy in. And there's nothing that Larry

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Speaker 1: does where he doesn't buy low and high. He always

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Speaker 1: buys low and sells high. So, in hindsight, what's the

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Speaker 1: old adage on Wall Street, follow the money, follow the

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Speaker 1: smart money. To be exact, we should have followed the

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Speaker 1: smart money on Larry Fitzgerald. And now the moment he

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Speaker 1: bought in something was a cooking. He probably facilitated the

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul trade after he got the minority stake. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: that's true. I wonder how Larry's going to react if

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul needs three years, one hundred and fifty million.

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Speaker 1: How was Larry Fitzgerald gonna how's that taste, Larry? When

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul holds you over a barrel on the next

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Speaker 1: contract negotiation. Somebody texts Larry with that question. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: how are you gonna be when you're on the other

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Speaker 1: side at that big mahogany table and the athletes looking

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Speaker 1: you in the eye and uh, And he's playing the

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Speaker 1: leverage game. If you don't pay me, I've got Lebron

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Speaker 1: down the street. That's good stuff. I love to that's Larry. See,

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Speaker 1: Larry needs his own production company like Lebron, and just

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Speaker 1: make that a reality show. Larry the owner, the NBA owner,

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Speaker 1: and and the cameras follow him behind the scenes. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: because Larry would love to be fired with a camera. Now, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's nicks that you're right. That was idiotic. And we're

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Speaker 1: talking about Larry. I forgot that he might have a

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Speaker 1: production company. We don't even know we have a yeah,

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Speaker 1: kind of travel company. Why isn't Larry you think he

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Speaker 1: does all these golf podcasts? Could we somehow tell him

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Speaker 1: Cardinal's Underground is about golf? Could we? Do you think

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Speaker 1: he'd buy that because he does these other golf podcasts?

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Speaker 1: Come on and talk sons. What's Larry's middle name? That's

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Speaker 1: a great question. What is everything everyone thinks they know

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Speaker 1: about Larry Fitzgeryl? What is his middle name? Okay? Somebody, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess. I'm guestimating. I don't know why, but

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Speaker 1: Darnell somehow sticks in my head. I could be totally

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Speaker 1: wrong for some reason that sticks in my head. And

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Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Okay, Well, Kyle, do I

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Speaker 1: was close with Sebastian. Yeah. No, I'm not gonna hazard

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Speaker 1: a guess. M Okay, Uh, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: say Ronald. I'm gonna say Ronald. Uh No, I don't

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Speaker 1: want his middle school I want his middle name for

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Speaker 1: you go, my goodness. Uh Darnell. Yes, no, dang yea,

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Speaker 1: it is Darnell. YEAHS been covering him too long. I

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Speaker 1: need to drop the mic. This thing's over. The only

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Speaker 1: good news is we just went full circle. Gentlemen, The

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Speaker 1: middle initial is D. The middle initial is D. Paul

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Speaker 1: David d Herb, Kyle Disagree, Ouder Guard and Larry Darnell

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Speaker 1: Fitzgerald Jr. On Cardinal's Underground, brought to you by Pacific

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Speaker 1: Office Automation. That's your mic drop. You're right there,