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Speaker 2: Like that's not an ideal situation. Now, that doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: I don't think the Patriots are going to be on

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Speaker 2: their level, but Belichick is kind of the X factor.

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Speaker 2: The defense and the special teams always keeps them in games.

429
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Speaker 2: They make it ugly. Can their offense be a lot

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Speaker 2: better with Bill O'Brien And everyone thinks Bill O'Brien's the

431
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 2: village idiot, and listen, he's a terrible general manager, A

432
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Speaker 2: great example of why coaches should not do gms, I

433
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Speaker 2: would say in any sport, but definitely in the NFL.

434
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: But he's not a bad coach. He's not a bad

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Speaker 2: coach at all. And their offense just with him relative

436
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: if the Matt fucking Patricia should be, I mean, leaps

437
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 2: and bounds better. The Steelers and the Ravens fall under

438
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Speaker 2: the category of their standards is really high. They really are,

439
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 2: And the Steelers you can't really and Cam and I

440
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 2: talked about this. Every year is a new year, so

441
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: the previous momentum. If you finish, if you miss the playoff,

442
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 2: but you win the last five games, who cares like

443
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 2: you could lose the last four games of the regular season,

444
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: but if you make the playoffs and then end up

445
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 2: in the conference championship game, you had a much better

446
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 2: season than a team that, like the Steelers, finished seven

447
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: to two but missed the playoffs. The one thing I

448
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 2: would say though, for their momentum is their quarterback really

449
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: showed signs of life. Right that was a big question.

450
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: I was not a huge canny pick a guy. He's

451
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 2: not really my cup of tea of players because he

452
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 2: has limited limited physical skill set when it comes to

453
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Speaker 2: his arm. Though he had multiple comebacks showed, you know,

454
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Speaker 2: the ability to be calm, cool and collected in a

455
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Speaker 2: very physical division. The one thing I will give him

456
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: is he's used to playing in the cold, and clearly

457
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Speaker 2: that did not affect them. The game against the Raiders

458
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 2: was ice cold. What was that Christmas Eve? There was

459
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: another game late in the season against the Ravens, so

460
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: you got to be able to play in the cold.

461
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Speaker 2: He's never gonna be big Ben with an arm, but

462
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 2: you don't really have to be there. You just got

463
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 2: to distribute to their talented wide receivers. Their offensive line

464
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 2: should be better. Najie Harris. I'm a huge fan of

465
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Speaker 2: If they can just block for him and he can

466
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Speaker 2: stay healthy, he could have a big year. And defensively,

467
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Speaker 2: I mean that they got star players at every position,

468
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Speaker 2: so in the same with the Ravens, you know. So

469
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 2: it's just gonna come down to is their passing game

470
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: dramatically improved. Teams love to be like, this is the

471
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Speaker 2: year when we just pass. Like, wait, Lamar's is not

472
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Speaker 2: gonna run it. He's one of the greatest running quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Let me let me rephrase that. He's one of the

474
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Speaker 2: greatest running players we've ever seen. I mean think like

475
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Speaker 2: Walter Payton, Barry Sanders. Lamar Jackson with the ball in

476
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 2: his hands in the open field is easily like a

477
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Speaker 2: top five ten player of all time. You put the

478
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Speaker 2: ball in his hands, with him running downhill, his ability

479
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 2: to make guys miss, his top end speed, it's just

480
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,479
Speaker 2: it's beyond electric. It's all time elite NFL stuff. So

481
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Speaker 2: now you're just gonna force him to be a passer. Now,

482
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Speaker 2: big picture, to be a great player and sustain in

483
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 2: the NFL, you have to transition. But it's gonna be

484
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: awfully interesting. The push and pull between the two right

485
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 2: is he force feeding it? I saw it a long

486
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: time ago with Kaepernick. They paid him some money and

487
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: they tried to go like spread passing offense and it

488
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: did not work. And it's not like they had Nobody's

489
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Speaker 2: they had Crabtree, they had Vernon Davis, Frank Gor could

490
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Speaker 2: catch the ball out of the backfield like they had guys,

491
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Speaker 2: and it just didn't work. Now, Lamar is a better

492
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Speaker 2: passer than him. But you sign Odell, you drafted a

493
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Speaker 2: first round receiver last year, you got Mark Andrews. It's

494
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Speaker 2: gonna be fascinating to watch. I was thinking about this

495
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: the other day, Like the Chargers, that game that they

496
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: lost in the playoffs is just that's just classic. As

497
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: Arnold Swarzenegger, which is a fantastic documentary, Highly recommend it.

498
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 2: Arnold's just he's a beauty of the jod Just it's

499
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: pretty crazy that they lost that game. Sometimes it hits me, God,

500
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Speaker 2: did they lose the game where Trevor Lawrence through four

501
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: interceptions in the first half. It's like, oh, yeah, they did.

502
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: They did to the Jacksonville Jaguars. They really did that.

503
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: And I think the pressure on them, the pressure on

504
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 2: the Steelers, the Ravens, the Jets, just because their markets,

505
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 2: their brands, it's always going to feel a little stronger Nationally.

506
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: I'm probably someone that ends up talking about the Chargers

507
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: more than most. It could be my West Coast Ties,

508
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: just I'm an NFC AFC West guy, Like those are

509
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: the divisions I just end up watching the most, and

510
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: they're just there's always been a little bit of an

511
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 2: under the radar team even when they're good. But you

512
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: can't have a quarterback of that talent in risk having

513
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: a head coach who's not good enough, and I think

514
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Speaker 2: the pressure on them to I think it really is

515
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Speaker 2: to compete for the division. I'm not saying they have

516
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Speaker 2: to be better than the Chiefs. We just look talent

517
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: for talent. It's not that far off. Obviously. The big

518
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: gap is the head coaches, and the gap between Andy

519
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: Reid and Brand Staley is really wide. And then there's

520
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: just all those you know, kind of the curveball teams,

521
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 2: the Browns. I mean, we're talking if they don't make

522
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,479
Speaker 2: the playoffs, you're not You're gonna pay a quarterback two

523
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty million dollars and keep Stefanski around. He's

524
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: got to be coaching for his job and Hardy Brown's

525
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: gonna make the playoffs if Sean Watson has to be

526
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: infinitely better than he was last season, because the guy

527
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: that we witnessed last year was a very poor player.

528
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: He was, and even if you take out the money,

529
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: you take out the trade, you take out it, you

530
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Speaker 2: just look at him in a vacuum as a quarterback.

531
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Speaker 2: It's hard because he hadn't played forever. It just looked

532
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 2: I mean it was really bad. Remember remember how bad

533
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 2: Baker was the last season. I mean it was just

534
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: you watched it on TV, What the fuck is going on?

535
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: And it really was that poor. So I'm fascinated with

536
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: the AFC. It's just gonna be It's gonna be awesome

537
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: because of the stakes and the amount of people that

538
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: there are just only so many seats at the table,

539
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: and it's just gonna lead to a lot of people

540
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: getting fired, a lot of teams blowing up. You can't

541
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 2: listen to the history sports. You don't fire, players can't fire.

542
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 2: You're not gonna fire Justin Herbert. You're not gonna fire

543
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson. Two hundred thirty million dollars. Pretty hard to obviously,

544
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: you're not gonna fire Russell Wilson or Sean Payton, but

545
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 2: it's gonna be really really I can't wait, I really can't.

546
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: I saw Florio tweeting, and listen Floria. Sometimes in the

547
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: offseason he just starts tweeting madness. He was talking the

548
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 2: other day about something like the Fanatics party because they're

549
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: in gambling, like the NFL should crack downs, like nobody cares.

550
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: There's a big difference between going to a Fanatics party

551
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: and having some vodka sodas with Michael Rubin and Robert Kraft.

552
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: Then there is betting the over under on your own

553
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 2: running back in a game, like I'm sorry, I saw

554
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: people you gotta it's all universal, it's all under one umbrella. No,

555
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: it's not. What Isaiah Rodgers did. Might be the most

556
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: dumbs like idiotic thing in the like, since like Pete Rose,

557
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: can't betting on your own team, even her betten I'm

558
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: gonna win. It just can't be doing that. Andrew luck

559
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: Is he was tweeted about Andrew luck He's Hall of

560
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: Fame in eligible, like it was a controversial statement to

561
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: say he's not getting the Hall of Fame. Of course,

562
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: he's not getting into the Hall of Fame. Andrew Luck

563
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: is not a Hall of Famer. Now, there have been

564
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: players with short lived careers that have made it right

565
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: way before by time. I think Gail Sayers right when

566
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: I was coming into my own as a sports fan,

567
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: Terrell Davis, Kurt Warner's career was a little longer, but

568
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: he kind of had like a couple of little peaks.

569
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: All those guys include championships. Terrell Davis, multiple championships, Kurt

570
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: Warner championship. If Andrew Luck had won a Super Bowl,

571
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: I would say it would be a conversation. But not

572
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: only did did he not win a Super Bowl, he

573
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: never got to one. I think the crazy part about

574
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: just the headline is he's Hall of Fame eligible. Is

575
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: it really brings into play for how awesome it could

576
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: have been, for how much fun it should have been,

577
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: for how he was destined to be a Hall of

578
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: Fame player. If he didn't, I don't know, just retire

579
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: out of nowhere. Now he had been banged up. I

580
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: was looking at his game logs by his third season

581
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: in the NFL, and remember he gets it's a unique

582
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: worst team in the NFL because they had had Peyton

583
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: Manning and they had been awesome, and you had just

584
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: removed Peyton Manning. I think I might have said this

585
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: on the podcast, but I read somewhere recently that Poleon

586
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: had this. No, it wasn't Pollion. It was Tom Moore,

587
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator. When John Gruden used to go to

588
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: the practices when he was doing Monday Night Football, and

589
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: he'd go to the practice and he'd see that the

590
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: backup never got any reps at practice, and Gruden was like, flummox,

591
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: what are we doing here? And Tom Moore said, well,

592
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: if Peyton goes down, were fucked, and we don't practice fucked,

593
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: And clearly you removed Peyton Manning from that equation. They

594
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: immediately had the number one overall pick. But when he

595
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: got there that they did have Reggie Wayne, they had Freeeny,

596
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: they had Robert Mathis that they had some good players,

597
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: and they immediately drafted t Y Hilton. But Andrew luck

598
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: By his third season through forty touchdowns sixteen picks and

599
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: had them in the conference championship game. Now they got

600
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: boat raced by the New England Patriots, but they were there,

601
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: and then the injury started happening. He only played seven

602
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: games in fifteen by sixteen, he threw thirty one touchdowns.

603
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: Then he missed the entire year in seventeen, and then

604
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: his last season in the NFL thirty nine touchdowns and

605
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: fifteen picks when he was healthy. Full seasons eleven wins,

606
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: eleven wins, eleven wins, and then his final season ten wins.

607
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: And that was with Chuck Bagano, who was a terrible

608
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: head coach, and Ryan Grigson, who is universally who hates

609
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: me for saying this things. I talked shit about him.

610
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: He was a terrible GM. He just was like, you

611
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: don't get credit for drafting Andrew Luck. But it really

612
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: is sad because I think the cool part about sports

613
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: is when you see a talent and then that guy

614
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: lives up to the talent. Right, We're gonna talk about

615
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: Victor wembin Yama. You see it, It's like, I've never

616
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: seen anything quite like this. So what's cool about like

617
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, Like ultimately Justin Herbert's success or even Patrick Mahomes,

618
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: they didn't have nearly as much hype as the hype guys, Right,

619
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: Like a guy like if Jalen Carter becomes a Hall

620
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: of Fame player, it'll be like God, everyone said he

621
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: fell in the draft, but everyone knew he was the

622
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: most talented guy in the draft, right Trevor Lawrence. They say,

623
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: this guy was the best prospect since whoever. Andrew Locket,

624
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: Nick Bosa was a can't miss player, and then they

625
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: become Hall of Fame players. That's what cool about to

626
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: me about sports. I love the Patrick Mahomes and Herberts

627
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: who aren't the highly talked about guy. But anytime you

628
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: could have all the pressure in college, get drafted number

629
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: one or number two, have all the pressure, and then

630
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: live up to it, because you know what happens to

631
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: most guys. There's Zach Wilson. They can't handle it. They

632
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: just fail. Or hell, they're not even that bad. They're

633
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: like Sammy Watkins, who was drafted really high and just

634
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: never lives up to the hype. Andrew Locke immediately lived

635
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: up to the hype and started winning playoff games and

636
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: was throwing thirty five to forty touchdowns a year. And

637
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: you can give me through a lot of picks. I

638
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: don't give a shit. Just watch him play. I know

639
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Speaker 2: you can't now because it's been five years, but back

640
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: in the day, if you watched him and didn't think

641
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: he was good. I don't know what to tell you,

642
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: and it just ended, and it ended way too fast.

643
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: He's also what's cool about sports is you can't predict

644
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: this stuff. Who in a million years and be like, oh, yeah,

645
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 2: Andrew Lock just twenty eighteen, He'll just retire. He'll never

646
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Speaker 2: be seen again. No, he's not going to do like

647
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: a fake retire. He's not going to kind of tap out.

648
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: He's going to just quit and just be gone. And

649
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: he did, Like, I do respect it. I don't necessarily

650
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: I can't agree or not agree. It's not my life.

651
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: If I was a Colts fan, I would have been

652
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: really mad. I do respect, like I don't really like

653
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: the kind of half in half out right, like what

654
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers done for a couple of years, what Brett

655
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: Favre did forever. It's like, give me a break. You know.

656
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: Even Lebron who starts threatening you're gonna retire, Like, give

657
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: me a break. Andrew Luck never talked about retirement, just

658
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: retires and is never seen again or expected for sticking

659
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: by his guns. He kind of hit me watching Victor

660
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: wimbin Yama on it would have been Sunday night. And

661
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: he scored a bunch of points. Never seen anything like him.

662
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: He's he's like a He's like Kevin Durant mixed with

663
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 2: Yao Ming. Size it's just crazy, but the number one

664
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Speaker 2: pick in the NBA draft and the number one pick

665
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: in the NFL draft are almost two feet apart. One

666
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: guy's seven to six and the other guy's barely five

667
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: to ten. I don't really have a hot take on it,

668
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: but it's just a crazy Bill Parcells thing was you

669
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: gotta be careful drafting exceptions or outliers because eventually, when

670
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: you give into that, you have a team full of

671
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: exceptions or outliers. And I love Bryce Young. I thought

672
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: the guy that we watched in college in the SEC

673
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: was brilliant and dominant. But I do understand people saying

674
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 2: that his size is a major concern. Right, he's barely

675
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: five to ten. I know he weighed in close to

676
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 2: two hundred pounds at the combine. Most people in the

677
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: NFL believe that he was playing at like low mid

678
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 2: one eighties at most, and Victor Webb Binyama if you're taller, right,

679
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: if Bryce Young was six foot four, he would have

680
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: been one of the elite prospects of the last twenty years.

681
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Speaker 2: But part of being an elite prospect isn't just accuracy,

682
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: being able to read the field right, just having the

683
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: arm strength. It's kind of body size. Look at the

684
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: top players in the NFL. Did you watch the match

685
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: with Mahomes, Kelsey, Clay and Steph. Did you see Mahomes

686
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: just standing next to Kelsey a tight end and Klay Thompson,

687
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: who technically is a shooting guard, small four, He's kind

688
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: of a hybrid player. Like just physically it looks just

689
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: kind of just like him. Even Steph people act like

690
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: Steph small. Steph Curry's closer to six ' four than

691
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: he has six to two, and he's put on a

692
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: lot of muscle over the years. Patrick Mahomes physically just

693
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: he doesn't quite look like Josh Allen or John Elway,

694
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: but he ain't small. All the top quarterbacks are big,

695
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: and it's very We talked about it with Tua. It's

696
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: just hard when a guy like Aaron Donald or Nick

697
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: Bosa or Miles Garrett or whoever every team has these

698
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: guys gets their hands on you and slams you into

699
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: the ground. I'm not pivoting off Bryce Young I think

700
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 2: he's a really good player, but I do understand the concerns.

701
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: No different. I don't claim to be Jerry West here,

702
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: but it is hard to watch Victor web bin Yama

703
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: has all these skills. I think he's not gonna get hurt.

704
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: If you're just a six foot six player and you

705
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 2: fall into him, you're not falling into his stomach or

706
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: his abs. You're more likely like falling into his kneecap.

707
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 2: He is enormous. Never see anything like it. He looks

708
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: like a guy who's just going to get hurt. I

709
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 2: hope he doesn't. I'm rooting for him to stay healthy.

710
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: But if he just has a fifteen year career and

711
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: the majority is health, I'd be a little stunned. Sure, Okay,

712
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: let's dive into a little thing we like to call

713
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: the middle Cough mailbag at John Middlecoff is the Instagram.

714
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: I guess it's also the threads. Fire into the Instagram

715
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: dms and get your question answered here on the show.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with this. This is a pretty good one

717
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 2: who plays more games this upcoming season? Odell Beckham Junior

718
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: or Jimmy Garoppolo. Tough question from a betting perspective, would

719
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: not bet a lot on either guy staying healthy. I'm

720
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Speaker 2: going to base it strictly on In twenty twenty three,

721
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: one guy is literally injured. Jimmy Garoppolo could not participate,

722
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: needed another surgery before offseason activities. There was a video

723
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 2: that went viral a couple weeks ago. My guy, Keith Williams,

724
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 2: who I worked with at Fresdo state wide receiver coach,

725
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: there throwing balls to Odell Beckham. He caught it one handed.

726
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: Another wide receiver in the group said why am I

727
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: not allowed to do that and basically said, because heeze

728
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Speaker 2: Odell Beckham Junior. I'm going to go with Beckham. I

729
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: don't feel great about this. I would not bet a

730
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 2: lot of money on this. But Jimmy Garoppolo is hurt.

731
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: We will see. I mean, I think the number one

732
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: question for Raiders' training camp can he participate when the

733
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: veterans show up? Will he take snaps immediately? Because if

734
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: he can't, what are we doing? I mean, the Raider

735
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 2: season could be doomed before it even starts. I'd put

736
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Speaker 2: Beckham around twelve ish games. I would not put Jimmy

737
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: Garoppolo in half the season as a Ravens fan is

738
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 2: from Griffin. I know the feeling around the league is

739
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: that Odell of the Rodo question is dramatically overpaid, which

740
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: I agree with. But why do you think the caliber

741
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: of weapons Lamar now has is being overlooked in terms

742
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 2: of us having a chance to compete in the AFC

743
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: win the North. Combined with the fact that we have

744
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 2: a new coordinator who is looking to open up and

745
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: diversify the offense, I just feel as though no one

746
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: has given us a shot to be competitive to win

747
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: the AFC. Just would like to hear your general thoughts

748
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: on us as a squad well. I talked about it

749
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: earlier in the podcast. Anytime that you do a dramatic

750
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 2: change when a guy is good at something, it's a major,

751
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: major risk. And there's a difference between opening up the offense,

752
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: like if you watch the Ravens when Lamar has been

753
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 2: healthy on the good teams, when you guys have won

754
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 2: a bunch of games and won the division and made

755
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: the playoffs, you guys had a potent passing attack, didn't

756
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: the the year he won the MVP. I'm just doing

757
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: this off the top of my head. Thirty six to

758
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: thirty seven touchdowns, So it's not like he won the

759
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: MVP with twenty touchdowns. He threw a lot of touchdowns

760
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: now if I remember correctly, there might have been a

761
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: game where he threw five. But regardless, Lamar has been

762
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: a productive passer now relative to his peers Mahomes, Josh Allen, Like,

763
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: he hasn't thrown it like that, but when I hear

764
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: diversify the offense, like, I don't want Steph Curry and

765
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: Klay Thompson trying to dunk every time they get the

766
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: ball in their hands. They shoot threes. It's what they do. Now.

767
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: Stand their elements to injuries with running him in like

768
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: the power college running attack that they've had, but that's

769
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: his best skill. Now. They have to to sustain a

770
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: long term and make this contract worth it. I understand

771
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 2: that their mindset, but I do think it's a pretty

772
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: big risk. Mark Andrews has been good with Lamar. Jackson,

773
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: right Bateman, we'll see. I mean, he was a highly

774
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: drafted guy. I know they were high on last year

775
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: in training camp and stuff, and got injured. Beckham's a

776
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: pretty big wild card. Za Flowers to me is the

777
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: type guy I would call him kind of like the

778
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: modern hybrid where you can get the ball behind the

779
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. We've seen a lot of these guys,

780
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 2: you know recently and the Tyreek Hills. I mean, Tyrek's

781
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 2: a great wide receiver, but you can use him like

782
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Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel. I think that Za Flowers the ability to

783
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,959
Speaker 2: kind of be pretty versatile with a guy like Lamar

784
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: Keeping being able to get the ball quickly, you know,

785
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 2: around the line of scrimmage just makes everything a little

786
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: bit easier. But I don't like when people are so

787
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 2: old about, oh, we're going to change the offense. Why

788
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: thank you. I understand tweaking it and evolving that that's

789
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: a natural progression of football, but completely changed the offense,

790
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: I think that's pretty risky. Big fan of the pod,

791
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: keep up the good work. I'm a Giants fan, and

792
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 2: I'm proud of the progress the team and Daniel Jones

793
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 2: showed last season. While understand it seems like he's getting

794
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: paid a lot now, if you look into the contract,

795
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: you will see the Giants have an out after the season.

796
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: We had a contract Guru here, Why is everyone acting

797
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 2: like it's impossible for him to keep improving with better

798
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: weapons and another year in the same system with good coaching.

799
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: I think we take a step back record wise because

800
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: of the schedule, but I think he may look better overall.

801
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: What do you think, Well, here's the thing. If we

802
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: use the comp of Alex Smith, who it took getting

803
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: a competent coach in Jim Harby to get his career

804
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: on the right track, and then what happened. He just

805
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: kept getting better. He got injured, so he got Wally

806
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: pip by Kaepernick, but then he went to Andy and

807
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: just kept improving. If that's his comp yes, he should

808
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: keep improving. Now does he ever have the upside to

809
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: be some star player? I think most people would push

810
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: back against that, and I think it's fair. But can

811
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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones be a top thirteen to fourteen quarterback in

812
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: the league? For sure? Now a lot of pressure on

813
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: the weapons, right, that's going to be huge the saquon

814
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: as of recording this the that situation. I don't know

815
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: how it's ultimately going to play out, whether they give

816
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: him an extension, whether he just plays on the tag,

817
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 2: but he's got to be pretty locked in and there

818
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: like he's a big help. Their offensive line plays well.

819
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: They're just this year It's not like they're going to

820
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: go from what they were last year on offense to

821
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 2: all of a sudden being the number one offense but

822
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: can't continue to improve. I like when a coach in

823
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,479
Speaker 2: a quarterback and even the offensive coordinator. Kafka's coming around

824
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: as well. Though all this stuff going on Northwestern, I

825
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 2: saw some people say like he would be a guy Listen.

826
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: I spent a little time around Kafka. I know a

827
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: lot of people that know him. Let's just say, worst

828
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: case scenario, Pat Fitzgerald is fired from Northwestern. I have

829
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: a hard time seeing him leave the Giants and taking

830
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 2: that job in the middle of all this, just because

831
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: he loves that. I have a hard time seeing that one.

832
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 2: So the cohesion of all those guys around is very,

833
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: very big. So yeah, I would expect him to be better. Now. Statistically,

834
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: by what measure? Would he throw fifteen touchdowns last year?

835
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: Do I expect a thirty touchdown season? Probably not? Is

836
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: that how the Giants you're gonna play? Probably not? But

837
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: can he get to like twenty four touchdowns? But that

838
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 2: that would be a pretty dramatic improvement a nine touchdown addition,

839
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm with you. I just think anytime in sports,

840
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: you know, you go from people betting against you not

841
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: being that good, all of a sudden you get paid,

842
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: whether you're coming off the big season, whether you just

843
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: get the train back on the tracks, Like there's gonna

844
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: be some tangible pressure on Geno Smith. Okay, no one

845
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: was expecting shit last year. Then all of a sudden,

846
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 2: you have a big year and now you're getting paid.

847
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: How's it going? Aaron Judges' season was pretty cool last year.

848
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: But you give a guy three hundred and fifty million dollars, like,

849
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: better rattle off some MVPs. You know. That's that's part

850
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: of the deal. I saw the NBA giving a lot

851
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: of two hundred million dollar maxes. Okay, you guys have

852
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: had good careers. Time to become all NBA guys, because

853
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: that's what forty fifty million dollars a year. The expectation

854
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: is fair or not. Now some would argue money doesn't

855
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: really change who you are as a player, but it

856
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 2: just kind of is what it is. Hey, John love

857
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: the platform the volume is giving you to show off

858
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: your expertise in football, golf, and other various topics. I

859
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: like this guy. I recently graduated from college and got

860
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 2: a degree in sports management. My dream is to be

861
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: able to work for a personnel department in the NFL.

862
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: Is there anything I can do to stand out to

863
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: pro teams? I say this over and over. You just

864
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: gotta work in football. And the easiest way to get

865
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: to the NFL is no different than a player. It's

866
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: to get to college football. And the way to get

867
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: to college football is you have a you know, sometimes

868
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: you got a volunteer. Now. I started volunteering when I

869
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: was an undergraduate and then from there I got to

870
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 2: Fresno State on staff as a graduate in the program.

871
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: But that is the way I met NFL people because

872
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: ninety nine point nine percent of us, if we want

873
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: to work in pro sports, we don't know people in

874
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: pro sports. We didn't play pro sports. Our parents aren't coaches,

875
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: we don't know executives. Even you're not gonna have any ends,

876
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: so you just have you're in is the ability to

877
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: meet people. Well, the easiest way to meet people is

878
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 2: to work in college sports, because like the scouts, where

879
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: the scouts come through in any sport. So I would

880
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: recommend finding a way volunteer. I don't know where you live,

881
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: but wherever you live, if you can get with the

882
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: college team, if you can ask to help in recruiting,

883
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: that's always Now I'm biased, that was my path, but

884
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: I do believe that's the easiest path because when I

885
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: was an undergraduate and I just wrote teams blindly, the giants,

886
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: the packers, the bearers or whatever, they all denied me.

887
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: I still have the letters. They didn't know me from Adam.

888
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 2: They don't need What are you even asking? What are

889
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 2: you going to do? It's very, very difficult the moment

890
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: you start getting to know human beings. It's the assistant GM,

891
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,479
Speaker 2: that's the lead scout that they talked to the GM,

892
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: they talked to the coach, and that's that's the easiest

893
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: way to get connected. There's not a lot of you

894
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: guys listening have networking events in your industries. You know

895
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 2: the combine I think used to be more accessible. Coaches

896
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: in some gyms don't even go now, So it's that's

897
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: changed dramatically. I will always I will pound the table

898
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 2: on this find a way into college football. And luckily

899
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: college football is really expanding right They have personnel departments.

900
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: Every team in the SEC is like a GM. When

901
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 2: I worked at college football in eight nine and ten

902
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: going at a GM. Some people had like guys helping

903
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: out with recruiting, but Saban changed the game right around

904
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 2: then and everyone has followed suit. I mean, Ohio State

905
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 2: is like a fifteen man personnel department. All these programs

906
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: do so. One of the buddies that I worked with

907
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: the prison State is essentially the GM at Florida State.

908
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 2: That position didn't exist five years ago. Hey, John, good

909
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: day from Australia. While you're enjoying the summer, I've been

910
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: going through your early shows from eighteen. He's to sit back. God,

911
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: this guy's going in the vault in hindsight and laugh

912
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: at the Rosen hype. And it was interesting that you

913
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: weren't a fan of Josh Allen brutal game being a

914
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: scout agreat. I remember going to the Combine and one

915
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 2: of my good buddies who's on the Chiefs, was like, Bro,

916
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: you're being too hard on Josh. This guy is going

917
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: to be a player. And maybe it was their experience

918
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: being around the homes. I don't know what it was,

919
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 2: but he was. And I said, how many people agree

920
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 2: with you in your personnel department? He's like, not many?

921
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 2: And this guy's gonna end up being a GM, then

922
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: we'll have him on the show. But listen, I was

923
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: high on Josh Rosen and low on Josh Allen. And

924
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: one thing that being a quote unquote media scout or

925
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 2: just talking about football, that is different about being in

926
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 2: the personal stuff, the character, the wiring, that type of information.

927
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 2: We talked about it earlier with Mahomes and Montana and Brady,

928
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: you know, makes a break show. So I underestimated that

929
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: about Rosen. But he's a bad athlete. Clearly he's not

930
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 2: that accurate. And then you can never underestimate a guy's

931
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: ability to improve when they're all in, all their chips

932
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: from the middle of the table now, just because you

933
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: try hard at football and it means everything to you.

934
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: A lot of high character guys, Listen. I saw when

935
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: I lived in the Bay Area back to back years, Cleveland, Ferrell, Solomon, Thomas,

936
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: hard workers, none of the team captains. It's their work

937
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: ethic is not the reason they were quote unquote bus

938
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 2: would be strong. I mean, they're still in the NFL,

939
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: but never could live up to the pick. Just not

940
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 2: good enough. It's not because they're not trying our enough.

941
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 2: They don't have the skills and the one thing I

942
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: think we all underestimated. I don't know why I'm going

943
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: off on this tangent. You still got more of a

944
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: question is I didn't think the accuracy, like how do

945
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: you ever improve the accuracy? And he improved it really dramatically.

946
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 2: Now it still comes into play sometimes when you watch

947
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 2: Josh play is it can be you know, it can

948
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: be a little hit or miss, but he's such an

949
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 2: explosive playmaker that he can overcome it. My question is

950
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: whether there were any clues looking back. Okay, we basically

951
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 2: just talked about it. Mean this with no disrespect, obviously.

952
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: I remember Colin was really high on Darnold. I actually

953
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: was watching some of the clip of Sam the part

954
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: of my take. Guys went to that tight End university

955
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: and Sam was one of the quarterbacks there with Josh

956
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: Allen throwing. And you listen to Sam talk, you go

957
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: like his best friends in the league is Josh Allen.

958
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 2: He is super super dialed as a guy. Everyone likes him.

959
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: He was talking about like him and George Kittle like

960
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: in him are already like BFFs. McCaffrey loves him. Sometimes

961
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 2: in football, your circumstance really really matters. Now, I don't

962
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: think Josh Allen, excuse me, Josh Rosen's circumstance who drafted him,

963
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: would have mattered, right, But not every guy is Peyton

964
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: Manning and can overcome Peyton Manning. Could have played for

965
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 2: any franchise at any moment, for any coach, and he

966
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 2: would have become a great player. I would bet my

967
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 2: life on that. I don't know if that's every guy.

968
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 2: I think Patrick Mahomes could have been a really good

969
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 2: player in most places. He's gonna go down as probably

970
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 2: one of the best players in the history of the

971
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: league because of the situation he fell into. Right, that's

972
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: even Josh Allen. There weren't expectations Buffalo had been really bad.

973
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: He got to just kind of figure it out on

974
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: the fly. He got to suck immediately. So some guy's situation.

975
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold went to Adam Gase and then he went

976
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: to Matt Rule. So I think the situation in most

977
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 2: of these guys, Like the good thing about all these quarterbacks,

978
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: the overwhelming majority of young guys we talk about super

979
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 2: high character, super hard working, super like great teammates. Lamar Herbert,

980
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: Josh Mahomes, Trevor Lawrence. I mean, these guys are very

981
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: very well liked. Where you go matters, like really really matters.

982
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: Does Lamar become a league MVP if the team doesn't

983
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 2: just morph an offense to him? Maybe maybe not right.

984
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 2: It's why he's such a polarizing guy. He's going to

985
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 2: be one of the most fascinating players to watch this year.

986
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: Kind of how it goes Cotton quarterbacks is just fascinating

987
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: because so much is out of your control. Right most

988
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: of our lives. You don't have to work where you work.

989
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 2: You can quit tomorrow. You can be like, well, I

990
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: got bills, debate what's your choice? I mean, you can

991
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: find another way, find another job. You know you don't

992
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 2: like your wife got a divorce, But you control a

993
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: lot of the variables in your life, Like and once

994
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 2: you have a kid, there are things that out of

995
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 2: your control, out of buddy, come visit me. He's like,

996
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: you know, the crazy part about being a parent is

997
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: I think I'm doing a good job, but who knows?

998
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: S keep my fingers crossing, Like yeah, my dad used

999
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: always tell me that there's so much like you don't

1000
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: control who their friends are going to be, Like who

1001
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: they're going to meet at school over the years, what

1002
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: their interests are going to be at quarterback? Like, you

1003
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 2: do not control who drafts you. You do not control

1004
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: who your offensive coordinator is. You don't control who your

1005
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: skill guys are. What the vibe of your franchise is.

1006
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes went to the Chiefs who had been winning

1007
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 2: with an incumbent quarterback who was just a stud human

1008
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: and a really good player, and got to kind of

1009
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: ease in some guys. You know, go to just house

1010
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 2: that's on fire. Essentially, it's like, good luck, buddy, have fun.

1011
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 2: What a rip Trevor Lawrence got, urban Meyer? Think about that,

1012
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence draft the number one? Who's your coach? Urban Meyer?

1013
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,919
Speaker 2: How long did he last? Not even a season? Hey, John,

1014
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 2: big fan, what are your thoughts about perty and where

1015
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: you think he'd rank among quarterbacks if he plays this

1016
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,959
Speaker 2: whole season? I have his ceiling is above Dak. Listen, Dak.

1017
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: I mean has proven year in year out that you

1018
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 2: can win twelve games with him. I like Brock and

1019
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: it was very impressive what he did. What he did

1020
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: in that stretch was more impressive as a player in

1021
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 2: a vacuum, not like the team success, but in a

1022
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: vacuum he was better. The forty nine ers have had

1023
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: a lot of success previous years with Jimmy Garoppolo, he

1024
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 2: was much better. They were a much more explosive offense.

1025
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 2: He was much better distributed to the ball down the field.

1026
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: But one thing I'm always hesitant to do, especially with

1027
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: a non super heralded guy like he kind of got

1028
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: to prove it. It's you could have a moment so

1029
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: to me to rank him, I think, if he's healthy,

1030
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: he could be a really good player. But if you

1031
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,959
Speaker 2: told me, hey, is there a chance that he comes

1032
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 2: back to Earth or some of his limitations show up

1033
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, Because one of his strong attributes last

1034
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: year is he was a really good playmaker. Like when

1035
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 2: shit broke down, he could kind of scramble. He even

1036
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 2: did some things like doing three sixties, avoiding some defensive linemen,

1037
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: scrambling back, throw some balls across his body. They're like

1038
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 2: a kind of could have been picked, it wasn't picked.

1039
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: Does that stuff even out over time? I know Kyle

1040
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 2: is really really high on him. They love the guy,

1041
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 2: And this is another thing. The guy very impressive. People

1042
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: really like him. The defensive guys love him, but there

1043
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 2: is definitely pressure on him from a playing standpoint of

1044
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 2: just the expectations for the Niners are really, really high,

1045
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: and he got in a weird spot of like nothing

1046
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: to lose. They'd already lost multiple quarterbacks and he was awesome.

1047
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 2: But now he's coming off a major injury where you know,

1048
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 2: who knows, come like August first, is he able to throw?

1049
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 2: They're gonna be a super Bowl favorite and how it goes?

1050
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think a ceiling. He could be definitely

1051
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 2: like a more athletic Cousins type, because he's a much

1052
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: more athletic Cousins. But one of the knocks on him

1053
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 2: in coology threw a lot of picks because he you know,

1054
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 2: he's got a little Farveyan like thinks he's really good,

1055
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 2: which is cool. I like that quality in a quarterback.

1056
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: I need my guy to have some some inner belief

1057
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 2: that I'm gonna make anything happen in any moment. But

1058
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: in the NFL, you kind of gotta be careful just

1059
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 2: letting that thing rip in a position where the guy

1060
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 2: might not be open, that thing leads to a pick

1061
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: and in a tight game in the second half against

1062
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: the Eagles, or the Cowboys. That's the difference of winning

1063
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: or losing. And his arm is not Alan Mahomes or

1064
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 2: Herbert so it can get you in a little trouble.

1065
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: But best case, it's hard for me to say he's

1066
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 2: just a better player than Dak. I mean, Dak's been

1067
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 2: doing it for a while and I'm not even a

1068
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 2: big bad guy, but I gotta see a little more.

1069
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 2: Let's just let's just see the mister Irrelevant just going

1070
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: is just gonna be some ten year starter. Because if

1071
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: he just becomes the Niners long term starter, it's like

1072
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 2: one of the great draft picks of all time, Like,

1073
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: who's your starting quarterback? Oh, he's just last pick in

1074
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 2: the draft. The NBA draft in the second round, No,

1075
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 2: the NFL draft, seven rounds, pick two sixty eight goes

1076
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 2: to Katalen Island for mister irrelevant. I'd be pretty nuts

1077
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 2: if that's ultimately the way it plays out. Not saying

1078
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 2: it won't, but that's little Tom brady ish, not saying

1079
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: he's gonna win Super Bowls or whatever, but he's just

1080
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 2: gonna go to the playoffs all the time as a

1081
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 2: seventh round pick. It's one thing, you know, Dak's a

1082
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 2: fourth rounder. Russell's a third rounder, Cousins was a fourth rounder.

1083
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: Like it happens, mid rounders, seventh round picks. How many

1084
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: seventh round picks are really good? Quarterbacks? Love the pod?

1085
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: When you and Colin collab, you guys should do more

1086
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 2: episodes together. I think that's the game plan this fall.

1087
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: Wanted to ask what your expectations are for Fields and

1088
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 2: the Chicago Bears. I'm twenty five years old and have

1089
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 2: been a Bears fan my entire life, and this is

1090
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 2: the most excited I've been about the Bears since Cutler

1091
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 2: in Brandon Marshall. But I know I need to proceed

1092
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: with caution. You can always tell a sports fan who

1093
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 2: have seen like not great days. They're always hesitant. It's

1094
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: like this feels a little too good to be true.

1095
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 2: On the opposite, when your team's always good, like Chiefs

1096
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 2: or the Warriors or whoever, you're just kind of arroganting cocky.

1097
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: Is a playoff appearance a must for Fields this year?

1098
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: If the Bare fall a game or even a shy

1099
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 2: of the playoffs, is it considered a failure or is

1100
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: this season solely dependent on how much Fields improves and

1101
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: levels up his game. There's definitely some urgency, just in

1102
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: the fact that he's going into his third year, and

1103
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 2: the most valuable thing you have when you're drafted high

1104
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 2: and he was what the eleventh pick in the draft.

1105
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: Tenth pick in the draft is your contract. Right, So

1106
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 2: if you just let's say he shows some improvements, but

1107
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 2: you go like seven and ten, well you wouldn't give

1108
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: him a contract extension, but you really only have one

1109
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: more year of like, let's are we gonna keep doing this?

1110
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 2: It's pretty rare that a Daniel Jones situation plays out.

1111
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 2: It's kind of up and down, up and down. You're

1112
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: missing the playoffs. You're missing the playoffs, and it just

1113
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: plays out through your fifth round, fifth year, and then

1114
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: you inevitably get a big contract. I would say that's

1115
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,479
Speaker 2: an outlier situation. I don't think it's playoffs or bust

1116
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: because you guys just had the worst record in the league.

1117
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 2: You have the worst record in the league, So to

1118
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: go from the worst record in the league to the

1119
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 2: playoffs would be an insane jump, even if your division's

1120
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 2: wide open, unless like seven to ten one year division,

1121
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: which I have a hard time seeing. I could one

1122
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 2: of the teams in the NFC North is gonna win.

1123
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: I would say nine games. I think it's reasonable to

1124
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: think like if Minnesota comes back to Earth, depending on

1125
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: how Jordan Love is the Lions, I think nine to

1126
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: eight is definitely in play for one of these teams.

1127
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 2: I do think the Lions are dramatically more talented than you,

1128
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: and they have a quarterback that they know they can function.

1129
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: With the Packers, I mean, who knows. No one has

1130
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 2: any clue. I know Coward's big thing is, and it's

1131
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 2: hard to disagree with him, is why has no one

1132
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 2: been kind of like annoying this guy or blowing them

1133
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 2: in practice. It's a little weird. He's been there three years,

1134
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 2: not a year. There's gonna be tangible pressure on Justin

1135
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 2: fields though weekend week out. I think it's less about

1136
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: the win loss, but I think it would be hard

1137
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: for you guys to go six wins on the season

1138
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: and be like, oh, I feel pretty good about it.

1139
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: But I do think there is a scenario where you

1140
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: can miss the playoffs and feel good about the guy.

1141
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: You win seven eight games, Maybe your defense isn't as good,

1142
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 2: the offensive line is still shitty, and you go, this

1143
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: is worth giving it another year. He becomes a little

1144
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: bit more balanced as a player because this was my thing.

1145
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 2: When the forty nine ers are draft number three, take fields,

1146
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 2: I want that athlete figure it out because there's no

1147
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: guarantee any of these guys can throw the ball. I've

1148
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 2: seen this guy throw the ball in a Final four

1149
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 2: game against Clemson where he's throwing bombs. I know he's

1150
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 2: got a big arm. I know he's got an athlete.

1151
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 2: See if you can hold him. Turns out Trey lanf

1152
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 2: not even a great athlete, doesn't have the strongest arm

1153
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 2: in the world. Right. I think his arms a little overhyped.

1154
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: Fields Now, is he an accurate quarterback? Can he read defenses?

1155
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 2: Still yet to be determined. He's definitely had a pretty

1156
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 2: chaotic just coaching talent around him experience. What are we

1157
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 2: we just talking about? Who drafts you, who your coach is,

1158
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 2: who your play caller is, who the talent around you is? Matters.

1159
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: I would say that it is not playoffs or bust,

1160
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 2: but winning seven eight games with him, like throwing three

1161
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 2: hundred yard games, you can't just he's running around again,

1162
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,919
Speaker 2: like that's not going to get it done. They will

1163
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 2: kind of I would imagine move off of him if

1164
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 2: that's the case. But if he's rattling off some three

1165
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: hundred yard games and you're losing because maybe your defense

1166
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: isn't good enough, or you're losing shootouts or whatever this

1167
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 2: scenario is, I think that that is a possibility of

1168
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 2: him surviving. Okay, last one, hey man, big fan. I'm

1169
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 2: as big of a Lions fan as you'll find. Dude terrible.

1170
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 2: I was caught off guard, like probably ninety five percent

1171
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 2: of the NFL fans when Detroit drafted Jamiir Gibbs, He's

1172
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 2: the running back in the first round. It took me

1173
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 2: about one day to buckle up and say, Effitt, if

1174
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 2: he can play, he can play, regardless of quote unquote

1175
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,919
Speaker 2: positional value. Then Detroit trade Swift and you'd have thought

1176
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 2: Detroit traded prime Barry Sanders. The way people were reacting,

1177
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 2: it's clear Detroit views Gibbs more than just a running

1178
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 2: back in their system. What are your expectations year one

1179
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: and beyond with Jamir and Detroit? I texted a couple

1180
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 2: buddies immediately to do the sec I say, give me

1181
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 2: the intel on this guy, and both of them were like,

1182
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 2: love him. One of my favorite players in the draft.

1183
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 2: But I'm not into drafting running backs in the first round,

1184
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 2: and I get it, and that is a way of

1185
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 2: thinking that I tend to lean with two. I do

1186
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 2: think there are unique players though, Like ultimately, Christian McCaffrey

1187
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 2: when he's healthy is every bit the version of a

1188
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 2: first round pick. Right, you take that guy who can

1189
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 2: catch you seventy eighty balls, who can run for twelve

1190
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 2: hundred balls or yards? Right, you take a guy who

1191
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 2: can do both. If you're just a running back, only

1192
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 2: you better be freaking Adrian Peterson because if you're not

1193
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 2: a Law Call of Famer, if you're not a great

1194
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 2: pass catcher, I cannot draft you. And listening to those

1195
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 2: guys talk about him, listening to my people to do

1196
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 2: the sec they're like, this guy's got a little Kamara

1197
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 2: in the sense of like he can really catch the

1198
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 2: ball out of the backfield. When did Jared goff to

1199
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 2: have a ton of success when he had Todd Gurley

1200
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: a very verrsaal chess piece. Now it's a pretty big

1201
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 2: blow to them that the dude from Alabama, Jamison Williams,

1202
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 2: then he gets suspension suspended for gambling. So if he

1203
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 2: was healthy with Saint Brown and this kid and their

1204
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 2: offensive line, I'd go, God, their offense is going to

1205
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 2: dominate immediately. But Jameson Williams, who showed a lot lot

1206
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 2: of signs of life last year coming off the ACL

1207
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 2: to go with this guy being my running backs lately

1208
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 2: have had a lot of success. Like I mean, you

1209
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 2: watch him play, You're like, this guy can play. But

1210
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 2: when Trent Richardson happened, it kind of skewed everything. Since then,

1211
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 2: like a lot of those guys have become very very

1212
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 2: productive players. And to me and this, like with McCaffrey,

1213
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 2: like with you know, Kamara when he's on the field,

1214
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 2: and then Kamar is probably more of a true closer

1215
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 2: to a wide receiver than he is some true running

1216
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: back because his running game is really more predicated on

1217
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 2: like outside run sweeps. I don't know if you're gonna

1218
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 2: pound him between the tackles NonStop. But part of the

1219
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 2: reason they took Najie Harris really high why is he

1220
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 2: could do both. It's one of the knocks on Etn,

1221
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 2: Like Etn might just be more of a wide receiver

1222
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 2: than he is a running back, right because he's just

1223
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 2: an outside runner only good wide receiver, and he's not

1224
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 2: quite Kamara. Well, if this guy can run between the tackles,

1225
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 2: which I've broken down on YouTube, you're sure, and I've

1226
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 2: watched a lot of Alabama football he can. He's a

1227
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 2: physical runner. But if he can catch, I do think

1228
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 2: there's a lot of value. And the other thing is

1229
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 2: I'm against doing it on seasons, Like if it's a

1230
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 2: really good draft, it's like, just just take a pass rusher,

1231
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 2: just take you know, the sweet corner to take take

1232
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: a position that is more valuable. This draft was so shitty,

1233
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 2: and where do they go? Then they trade six to

1234
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 2: twelve because they obviously have the RAMS pick. You know,

1235
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: a lot of teams thought they were ten to fourteen

1236
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 2: first round picks in this draft, and he clearly was

1237
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 2: a top ten player on their board. And part of

1238
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: doing that enabled them to get an extra second round

1239
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 2: pick to get a didn't they take a second round

1240
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 2: tight end. I don't hate it at all. I don't

1241
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 2: now if this guy just brickhands and can't catch a ball,

1242
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 2: then it'd be a problem. But if this guy is

1243
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 2: productive between the tackles, outside the tackles and in the

1244
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 2: passing game, A three down, three on player, Christian McCaffrey

1245
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 2: does not have to come off the field, does not

1246
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 2: have to Kamara in this heyday with Peyton does not

1247
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 2: have to come out of the field. Was Dan Campbell.

1248
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell was the assistant head coach for the Saints

1249
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 2: when he got hired. He was Sean Payton's right hand guy,

1250
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 2: and he saw it and one of the other things,

1251
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 2: I'll give Dan Campbell a lot of respect, he said.

1252
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 2: The thing I learned from Sean Payton was I came

1253
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 2: from Bill Parcell's a little old school conservative, just mindset

1254
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 2: on players, on coaching, on going for it, and being

1255
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 2: around Peyton, I saw you gotta have some khonus. Sometimes

1256
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 2: you gotta take some swing for the fences, whether that's

1257
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 2: an on side kick, whether that's going forward on fourth down,

1258
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 2: whether that's a big trade, whether that's a move in

1259
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 2: the draft. Not everyone's going to agree with. You can't

1260
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 2: just always go with the flow when your gut tells

1261
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 2: you to do something. Part of the reason you were

1262
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 2: hired in the NFL as a coach or as a

1263
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 2: GM is it kind of like like a player have

1264
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 2: some instincts and if their instincts told them that they

1265
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 2: love this guy. And we all saw and I know

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Speaker 2: you did, but I bet a lot of people did

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Speaker 2: on social media when they drafted him, and everyone was

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Speaker 2: talking shit on Twitter or whatever, just like they'll probably

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Speaker 2: do on threads this year. They immediately put out that

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Speaker 2: viral video which they do every year, of Dan and

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Speaker 2: his GM just going nuts. So the conviction in that room.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna find out if that's tried or wrong, but

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Speaker 2: they believe in it. Isn't that the reason that you

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Speaker 2: hire those guys, So I'm definitely not against it. We

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Speaker 2: will have a podcast again later this week. Audios, godspeed,

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Speaker 2: Let's keep rocking and rolling the volume