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Speaker 1: So we've seen those sorts of things from Russian Kremlin

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Speaker 1: aligned hackers. So those are the sorts of things that

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Speaker 1: may be possible and potentially beyond that. The other thing

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Speaker 1: that I thought was noteworthy in both his comments and

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Speaker 1: the White House statement is he made sure to point

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Speaker 1: out most of America's critical infrastructure is owned and operated

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Speaker 1: brought by the private sector, and critical infrastructure owners and

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Speaker 1: operators must accelerate efforts to lock their digital doors. This

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Speaker 1: is actually a major issue, and you all are probably

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Speaker 1: familiar with it as consumers. How many times have you've

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Speaker 1: gotten messages from this or that company that your data

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Speaker 1: has been compromised because our legal system really doesn't penalize

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Speaker 1: companies significantly for not having adequate cybersecurity in place, so

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Speaker 1: we've created this is yet another sort of like vulnerability

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Speaker 1: that has been created by deregulation and privatization. Number one, Basically,

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Speaker 1: what the government can do here is ask private business

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Speaker 1: owners like, please do your best, because we're vulnerable right now.

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Speaker 1: And number two, we don't have the so you know,

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Speaker 1: it's all been privatized, so it's in the hands of

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Speaker 1: the private sector. And then we don't have the regulatory

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Speaker 1: regime to make sure that that those critical infrastructure pieces

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Speaker 1: are really secure to start with. So yet another vulnerability

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Speaker 1: created by some of our neioliberal policies. Last the problem

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Speaker 1: with that exactly, I'm not even necessarily post privatization, but

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Speaker 1: whenever it comes to the actual regulatory framework, you specially

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Speaker 1: have to have the ability for the state in order

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Speaker 1: to guard against it. When you have a critical supply

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Speaker 1: line like electricity, that seems kind of important. So whenever

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Speaker 1: it comes to the grade and I'm not saying that

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Speaker 1: doesn't exist, the Department of Homeland Security and these people

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Speaker 1: do have units and all that, but it's generally advisory

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Speaker 1: rather than mandatory, and in terms of the ability for

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Speaker 1: the government in order to actually full fledge take over

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Speaker 1: based upon what I have read, it's complicated. The other

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Speaker 1: thing that I always scares me about cyber war is

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Speaker 1: we spent an inordinate amount of time in graduate school

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Speaker 1: talking about what the rules of engagement in cyberwar are

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Speaker 1: as in what can invite a traditional conventional military response

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Speaker 1: if the initial action is cybersecurity, and really nobody knows,

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Speaker 1: which is that we've tried over the last decade or

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Speaker 1: so in order to come to a consensus. Pretty much

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Speaker 1: what I understood is that an attack on critical infrastructure

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Speaker 1: a LAH taking out the electricity grid, would be treated

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Speaker 1: in the same way that if you were to drop

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Speaker 1: a bomb on a power grid, which is that it

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Speaker 1: would then invite a similar typical Exactly, it's not just

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Speaker 1: active war. It would invite a conventional military response with

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Speaker 1: a bomb, not necessarily a cyber but not necessarily a

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Speaker 1: cyber attack, as in the end result and the effect

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Speaker 1: of the attack is what would be considered similar in

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Speaker 1: loss of life, similar in terms of financial But that's

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Speaker 1: actually where there is a lot of gray area. For example,

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Speaker 1: if the hacker took over the New York Stock Exchange

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Speaker 1: and zeroed out the accounts ALLA like bane in the

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Speaker 1: Dark Knight rises, Well, now what he because now this

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Speaker 1: is a really gray area, which is that Well, then

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Speaker 1: it didn't technically to bring down the grid. It didn't

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Speaker 1: have a tangible, outright real way world effect in terms

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Speaker 1: of electricity. But it was obviously an act of financial

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Speaker 1: warfare against the United States. And I'm giving you the

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Speaker 1: most extreme example, but that's also something that really could

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Speaker 1: happen in terms of banks inability to process transactions. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the Russians are going to get very pissed at Visa,

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Speaker 1: MasterCard and the other processors which process like eighty something

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Speaker 1: percent of payments. I mean, is that an act of warfare?

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Speaker 1: These are where things get more gray and become a

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Speaker 1: lot more sketchy in terms of what exactly we can

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Speaker 1: do about it. I mean, it reminds me of the

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Speaker 1: little debate we had during build back better of like

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Speaker 1: what is infrastructure. That's a good point, you know, because

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Speaker 1: there's certain things that it's really clear, right, like roads, bridges,

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Speaker 1: the electro grid, like these things are critical infrastructure. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what about our communication system? Right? What about telecoms? What

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Speaker 1: about social media platforms, which is where you know a

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Speaker 1: lot of us communicate, and that's sort of like the

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Speaker 1: modern day public square. What about that? So it's very

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Speaker 1: hard to draw a clear line of where critical infrastructure

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Speaker 1: begins and ends. And anytime you have those gray areas

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Speaker 1: in war, it invites people like Liz Cheney, Adam Kinziger,

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Speaker 1: you know, Alexander Vinman and all these people who have

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Speaker 1: really prominent platforms who have been looking to push us

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Speaker 1: to do more and to escalate and to invite World

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Speaker 1: War two. Well, if our infrastructure, however you define that,

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Speaker 1: is hit in a way that Americans feel really attacked by,

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Speaker 1: then you give them an edge in terms of making

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Speaker 1: their argument that hey, we ought to be shipping in

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Speaker 1: fighter jets and we ought to be forcing a no

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Speaker 1: fly zone, or you know, we ought to be taking

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Speaker 1: out Russian capabilities in Belarus and these other insane things

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Speaker 1: that they are already floating. So and it gives you know, Zelenski,

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Speaker 1: who has been held up understandably as a hero during

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Speaker 1: wartime and who's been aggressively pursuing pushing the case that

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Speaker 1: we should be doing more and escalating further and inviting

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Speaker 1: World War two. It also gives him more of a

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Speaker 1: like to stand on in terms of prosecuting that case.

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Speaker 1: So that's why when Hillary Clinton casually suggested, hey, we

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Speaker 1: should engage in some cyber attacks on Russia, why we

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Speaker 1: were like, hold on a second, that's a terrible idea,

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Speaker 1: But that same response could be invited from our side

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Speaker 1: if Russia engages in those types of attacks against us,

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Speaker 1: something to be very very wary of. One hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: And this is all just this is why this era

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Speaker 1: was why we spent a lot of time on it

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Speaker 1: when I was in school, because I think gray area

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Speaker 1: is exactly where miscalculation happens and war can escalate, and unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: we may find ourselves in that area. So let's all

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Speaker 1: just you know, keep it, keep an eye on what's happening,

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Speaker 1: and also looking at the exact definitions that the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration is use. Here. They use attack, that's good, and

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Speaker 1: you know, now whenever they start to use war and

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Speaker 1: other things that can invite conventional military response, and that's

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Speaker 1: when we should all start having a debate and really

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Speaker 1: turn to parse exactly how the government is thinking about it. Yeah, indeed, Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead, move on to the former president, which

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Speaker 1: is this is kind of hilarious, which is Trump continues

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Speaker 1: to show us that he has a completely rudderless worldview,

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Speaker 1: which is just absolutely in some ways it can be

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Speaker 1: good in this way, is it bad? So he appeared

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Speaker 1: on Fox Business Network with Stuart Varney for a long

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Speaker 1: interview and he was pressed on what exactly he was

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Speaker 1: going to do differently if he was the president in Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: And the results may not surprise you, but they will

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Speaker 1: shock you. Let's take a listen, but let me press

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Speaker 1: you again on what extra military help you would give

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Speaker 1: to the Ukrainians. You say you want to do more

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Speaker 1: than just the meg jets or the Jampans want more. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think the drones are just as effective as anything

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Speaker 1: now as I mean, they make drones today, we make

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Speaker 1: we have drones that are just as effective as just

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Speaker 1: about anything in the air. Anything you can do in

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Speaker 1: the air, and you can do drone. Plus they give

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Speaker 1: back tremendous amounts of information and the information leads missiles

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Speaker 1: right to whatever the hell targets they are, and you

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Speaker 1: don't have to shoot them from Ukraine. So therefore you're

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Speaker 1: being neutral. It's so ridiculous. Look, stud when he goes

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Speaker 1: in and he kills thousands of people, are we going

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Speaker 1: to just sit by and watch? This country will be

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Speaker 1: in one hundred years from now, they'll be talking about

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Speaker 1: what a travesty, what a horrible thing? This is? Uh? Okay,

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Speaker 1: So if I understand what he's saying there, he's saying, well, A,

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Speaker 1: he's using a very conventional war talking point. Are we

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Speaker 1: just going to sit by and watch? It's actually more

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Speaker 1: complicated than that, mister President and man of yous have

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Speaker 1: his finger on the nuclear button. But second, did he say,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to make sure I heard this correctly,

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Speaker 1: that we could use drones not fired from Ukraine. So

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Speaker 1: essentially what he's saying is that US drones, possibly flying

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Speaker 1: a NATO airspace, would then launch weapons against the Russian military,

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Speaker 1: which would of course be an act of war. This

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Speaker 1: is on par with the idiocy that we saw from

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Speaker 1: him and Sean Hannity that we should simply use our

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Speaker 1: planes but paint Chinese flags on them in order to

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Speaker 1: confuse the Russians and say, oh, and then invite them

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Speaker 1: to go ahead and bomb China, because apparently that's a

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Speaker 1: dumb that these people think that we are. Look, you know,

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Speaker 1: on the one hand, you could look at it as funny.

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Speaker 1: On the other the guy was literally president and he's

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Speaker 1: very likely to be our next president. So on that side,

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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit troubled about what he has to say.

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Speaker 1: It's very troubling. And you know, there are two people

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Speaker 1: that I'm really grateful our president right now, and that

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Speaker 1: is Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. I guess both of

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00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: them have had some really terrible ideas about what we

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Speaker 1: should be doing right now. And I mean Stuart Varney

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Speaker 1: credit to him. He because this is the thing with Trump.

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Speaker 1: He asked the question. Trump doesn't answer, oh, we should

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Speaker 1: do more, and then pivots to some other whatever thing

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Speaker 1: he wants to talk about. And then he had to

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Speaker 1: go back to this like three or four times to

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Speaker 1: finally elicit some kind of direct response. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: if your idea is like, well we should be providing drones,

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Speaker 1: they're already providing drones. So it's not clear that he

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Speaker 1: understands what's already been done. It's not clear that he

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Speaker 1: has good ideas about if we were going to escalate further.

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Speaker 1: And I do think that this rhetoric of like are

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Speaker 1: we just going to sit by and do nothing. That

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Speaker 1: was exactly what Richard Engel said at NBC that he

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Speaker 1: was rightly dragged for because you know, the alternative then

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Speaker 1: of sitting by and doing nothing. It's very casual way

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Speaker 1: of phrasing this, because the alternative of escalating further obviously

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Speaker 1: leads you to direct confrontation with a nuclear power and

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Speaker 1: potentially World War three. So Trump is just seizing on this,

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Speaker 1: you know, this sort of republican partisan sense of fine,

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Speaker 1: should do more, and he's not strong enough and he's

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Speaker 1: not being a leader. But when he's pressed it all

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Speaker 1: about the details, he basically has nothing to say. And that's,

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Speaker 1: you knows, very revealing moment. Oh absolutely, this is why

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and piss off all the MAGA people.

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Speaker 1: I have no confidence that Trump would have ever withdrawn

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Speaker 1: from Afghanistan. Everybody says, oh, he was going to do

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Speaker 1: it better and more strongly. Yeah. I watched him four

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Speaker 1: years in office, and every single time he got bamboozled

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Speaker 1: by the generals who told him, oh, just a little

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Speaker 1: bit longer, or oh well if you withdraw, it'll be

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Speaker 1: a total disaster, and he was cowed. And here it's

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Speaker 1: the same thing. He shows that at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, all Trump cares about is the pressure from

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Speaker 1: the media, and whenever pressure against the media is on

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Speaker 1: the wrong side of public opinion, he says, screw you.

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Speaker 1: But whenever it's on the right side or possibly in

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Speaker 1: a very gray area side of public opinion, he's very

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Speaker 1: much willing to insert himself and side with them. And

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Speaker 1: so that's what we find here. He has no more

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Speaker 1: in terms of principles. Whenever it comes to international politics.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes that was good, it was great. Whenever it came

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Speaker 1: to Kim Jong un, he was like, why can't I

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Speaker 1: meet with him? Or whenever he wanted to meet the Ayahtola,

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Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I'll meet him. He's like sure, I mean,

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Speaker 1: by the time, great, those are good things. They broke

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Speaker 1: the Washington consensus. But here when the Washington consensus is

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Speaker 1: with the media side, and he has no appearing no

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Speaker 1: understanding of what exactly that would mean, he could get

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Speaker 1: us into a war if he becomes president again. So

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Speaker 1: it's a good reminder of he's telling us very clearly

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Speaker 1: what exactly he would do. That means he would empower

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Speaker 1: the vinmins of his administration, whether he likes it or not.

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Speaker 1: And as much easy he claims to be against Neil

646
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: means the man hired John Bolton, Like, what more do

647
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: you really need to know? Right? Because he was strong? Yeah, exactly.

648
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: He likes that, you know, he had him by his

649
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: side and it made people think that he was crazy

650
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: or something like that. And the other thing that he

651
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: threatened here is to use nuclear submarines to menace Russia

652
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: until to convince them to which again, like that's a

653
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: significant escalation that has potential consequences, and all of that

654
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,479
Speaker 1: seems to be completely lost on him. It also does

655
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: sort of debunk the liberal Russia Gate brainworm's idea though

656
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: that he was so like Putin's Putin's boyfriend. Bill mar

657
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: just said that he was like his bust friend, He's

658
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: Putin's puppet and all this stuff. I mean, his actual

659
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: policy under his administration towards Russia was more hawkish than

660
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: Biden up to mister Ukraine. Remember Obama refused to do it.

661
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: He did it. He did it first year of its administration.

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00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. He did that. Some of those arms

663
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, reportedly did go to the Azon Battalion. You

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Speaker 1: could certainly criticize him for that, I certainly would, but

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Speaker 1: instead they went in this like really stupid direction of

666
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: the Russia Gate stuff, which was just nonsense. He also

667
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 1: didn't allow the nord Stream to pipeline to go forward,

668
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: and that was reversed under the Biden administration. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot going on with those comments. Lots going on.

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00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: Same actually credit against Stewart about the election and the

671
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: claim that the election was stolen, and he basically asked

672
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: it the perfect way. He's like, is this really what

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Speaker 1: you want twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four to

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Speaker 1: be about. Let's take a lesson. Well, guess, wait a second.

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Speaker 1: If we go into twenty twenty two, the elections twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four, and you're still looking back to the election

677
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty, I'm saying that you really won. I

678
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: don't know that's very good for you or the Republican Party.

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00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: You want to comment on that, well, yeah, I actually

680
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: think it is good for me, And I think if

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Speaker 1: we don't put out all of the crooked things that

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00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: we know what they are, that you won't win in

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Speaker 1: twenty two and you won't win in twenty four if

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Speaker 1: we don't get to it. So I think it's the opposite, actually,

685
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: and I talk nothing about Nobody talks more about the few.

686
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: You think twenty twenty two, you think the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two and twenty twenty four are all about the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty election. Really, no, no, no, I think for us

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Speaker 1: to win the election, we have to know how they cheated,

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00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: because otherwise they'll cheat again. And we do know how

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00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: they cheat it and Republicans and Democrats should but they won't.

692
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: Republicans have to do something about it or they get

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Speaker 1: to be very disappointed. And nobody talks more about the

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Speaker 1: future than I do. But you have to learn from

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00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: history also, and you can't let it happen again too.

696
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: That's the perfect way to phrase that question, which is

697
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: like he really, this is what you want to talk about,

698
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: But that is what he wants to talk about. At

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Speaker 1: the end of the day. His only test for whether

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Speaker 1: you're a Republican or not is do you believe the

701
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: election was stolen? That's it? Now? Does that sound like

702
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: something rooted in principle? And look, maybe I sound like

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00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: a boomer, but when I look and I see that,

704
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: I see exactly how the Republican Party lost in Georgia. Also,

705
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: they're probably going to win in the midterm elections. But

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00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: if the entire twenty twenty four election, the central pitch

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00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: from Trump is the election was stolen, why would anybody

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Speaker 1: vote for that. At the same time, even if they do,

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00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: let's say all the cultural grievance, people are willing to

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Speaker 1: look past that. It would animate a lot of people

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Speaker 1: on the other side, as it did with Democrats in Georgia,

712
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: to come out and vote. It reminds me of I

713
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: think it was the day before the election. The Trump

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Speaker 1: campaign surrogate was on rising Steve Cortez, and he was

715
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Speaker 1: arguing with me about Charlottesville, about very fun, that's yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I stopped him and I was like, Steve, it's

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Speaker 1: two days to the election. I was like, this is

718
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: really what you want to talk about, really like, even

719
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: if you think I'm lying, it doesn't matter. And I

720
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: don't you know, I don't even care. At that point,

721
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: it was like four years before that. I was like,

722
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: we're in the middle of a pandemic, there's an economic crisis,

723
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Speaker 1: You're running for re election for president of the United States.

724
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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is what the hill that you want

725
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: to die on? Charlotte's people. Again, that's actually the truth.

726
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: That's all that drives these people well, and that's why

727
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: they're so utterly useless whenever they do come into power.

728
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: So I give Varney less credit than you do on

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00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: this particular pressing of Trump, because the thing is, if

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Speaker 1: you actually genuinely believe even the nonsense that the presidential

731
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: election was stolen, well that is a big deal. Of

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00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: course you are going to fixate on that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, And so I think people are trying to

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Speaker 1: strike this middle ground. You see this a lot on Fox.

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Speaker 1: You see it with like the Glenn Youngkins of the

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Speaker 1: world of wanting to be like, well, let's focus on

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Speaker 1: election integrity without which kind of gives a nod, a

738
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: wink and a nod to the stop the steal nonsense,

739
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 1: but doesn't go all the way there. Or you see

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00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: this line where they don't want to They're too afraid

741
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: and too cowardly to actually say the election was not stolen,

742
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: shut the f up, and let's move on. Instead, they

743
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: want to say, well, is this really one of what

744
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: you want to focus your time on without actually going

745
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: there and saying this is ridiculous. You're just straight up lying.

746
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: You're fleecing your own followers, You're distracting the country. This

747
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: is bad. Stop So I give him less credit on

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00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: his direction here, But the rest of your analysis is

749
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: one hundred percent correct. And we're already seeing even though yes,

750
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: Republicans are poised to do well in the midterms through

751
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 1: no doing of their own, Mitch McConnell has one hundred

752
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,479
Speaker 1: percent the right strategy of like, don't say anything, don't

753
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: do anything, don't run on anything. Just let the Democrats

754
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: hang themselves. That's going to work out very well for

755
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: them likely, But you already see the signs of how

756
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: this is going to damage them. We're about to talk

757
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: about Eric Briton's who Is you Know? Scandal plaggued and

758
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: reportedly Trump was very close to because stop Steel, because

759
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: of Stop the Steal. You see this down in Alabama,

760
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: Trump backing Mobrooks just because of the same stuff you

761
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: see in Pennsylvania there was a Republican candidate who already

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Speaker 1: had to drop out of the race due to domestic

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00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: violence allegations, who had been backed by Trump again because

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Speaker 1: of Stop the Steal. So there is a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a Tea Party era dynamic, or you could think

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Speaker 1: of like a Roy Moore type dynamic of them lining

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00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: up behind candidates who might be like the only person

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Speaker 1: possible who could lose the seat in that state because

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Speaker 1: they're willing to say the thing on, stop the steal.

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Speaker 1: And it's it is sad because there were elements of

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Speaker 1: Trump's campaign in twenty sixteen that had that there was

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Speaker 1: something real to you know, the talk about trade obviously

773
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: struck a nerve, sort of upended Washington consensus that was

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Speaker 1: really important. Talking about shipping jobs overseas, d industrialization like,

775
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: those were important conversations and that's not who this is anymore.

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00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: All and ending the wars, I mean that was another

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00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 1: important part of it. Drain the swamp and ending corruption.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all of this is laughable now when you

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00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: look at what the actual record of, like tax cuts

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Speaker 1: for the rich and continuing the wars that you promised

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00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: to end ended up being so so. Yeah, as bad

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Speaker 1: as twenty twenty was, it seems like twenty twenty four

783
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: and the policy agenda that he's likely to focus on

784
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: is going to be even worse because he's just completely

785
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: obsessed with this nonsense that is so far from relevant

786
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: from the lives of any mari and Republican, Democrat or independent. Yeah, well,

787
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: the blackest pill you can take is to realize you

788
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: can do all of that and still probably will win.

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Speaker 1: And we just wanted to give you an update on

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00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: his social media network. Let's put this up there on

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00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: the screen. He hasn't posted on his new Truth Social

792
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: website since you'd actually soft launch on February twenty first,

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00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: so not sure exactly what he's waiting for. I have

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00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: a personal update on this because you guys were you

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00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: were as a little journalistic endeavor. I signed up for

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Speaker 1: Truth Social, and even though you told me I should

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Speaker 1: delete it the app from my phone, which I'm sure

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00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: I should be, I did not actually remember to do that,

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Speaker 1: so it's still on my phone and I just checked

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Speaker 1: it says I'm still two hundred and forty thousand, five

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Speaker 1: hundred and forty first in line. That's my weightless number

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00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: in order to actually get onto this damn network net

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00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: that I really am interested in being there anyway, So

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00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: we'll keep it going really really well. Seems like I

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00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: mentioned Eric Brightens, let's get to what is going on here.

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Speaker 1: You guys might remember that dude. Right now, he's running

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Speaker 1: for Senate in Missouri. In the Republican primary. He's the

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00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: former governor of the state, and he previously resigned in scandal.

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Speaker 1: The thing that you likely remember is that he was

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Speaker 1: accused of blindfolding and tying up a woman he was

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Speaker 1: having an affair with, and taking a picture of her

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Speaker 1: naked to use as blackmail to keep her from talking

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00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: about the affair while he was a governor. While he

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Speaker 1: was governor, that's probably what you remember is those allegations.

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Speaker 1: But I actually think what he really resigned over was

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Speaker 1: that there was an investigation into corruption and campaign finance

817
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: law breaking within the you know, Republican held Missouri legislature

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Speaker 1: that was very likely to lead to his impeachment. So

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Speaker 1: not only are there horrific claims of violence and abuse

820
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Speaker 1: and blackmail out there, but at the time he also

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Speaker 1: resigns because he's about to be impeached over corruption and

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Speaker 1: misuse of a nonprofit donor list for campaign fundraising and

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Speaker 1: those sorts of things. So that's Eric Griiden's So time,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of time passes, he decides this is

825
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Speaker 1: his moment to make it come back. He leans into,

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Speaker 1: you know, all of the right sort of magabase rhetoric

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Speaker 1: about stop the steal, he's very aggressive about hating Mitch

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Speaker 1: McConnell and these sorts of things. And now we have

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Speaker 1: new revelations which are even more or i should say,

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Speaker 1: allegations which are even more shocking than the last allegations.

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Speaker 1: And this is based on a sworn affidavit from his

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Speaker 1: ex wife about his abusive behavior during the course of

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Speaker 1: their marriage. Let's go ahead and put this ap tear

834
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Speaker 1: sheet up on the screen. The headline here reads, ex

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Speaker 1: wife accuses top Missouri GOP senate candidate of abuse. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to read you a bit of what she says here,

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Speaker 1: so just hang with me, because I want you to

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00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: have the details of what she is alleging. She says

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Speaker 1: in the sworn affidavit, prior to our to war, during

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00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: an argument in late April twenty eighteen, Eric knocked me

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00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: down and confiscated my cellphone, wallet and keys, so that

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Speaker 1: I was unable to call for help or extricate myself

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00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: and our children from our home. She also says, I

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Speaker 1: became afraid for my safety and that of our children

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Speaker 1: at our home. Behavior included physical violence towards our children,

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Speaker 1: such as cuffing our then three year old son across

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Speaker 1: the face at the dinner table in front of me

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Speaker 1: and yanking him around by his hair. In twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: she says, one of her sons came home from a

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Speaker 1: visit with his dad with quote a swollen face, bleeding gums,

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00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: and loose tooth. He said Dad hit him. However, Eric

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00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: said they were rough housing and it had been an accident.

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00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: That tooth eventually had to be removed. At another point,

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00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: Eric Britons purchased a gun, she says, but refused to

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Speaker 1: tell her where it was. He threatened to kill himself

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00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,959
Speaker 1: unless I provided specific public political support. This was during

857
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: his last series of skins. The behavior was so alarming,

858
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: she wrote, on three separate occasions, multiple people other than

859
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: myself were worried enough to intervene to limit Eric's access

860
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: to firearms. I started sleeping in my children's room simply

861
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: to keep them safe. In another incident, Greitens made a

862
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: reference to the fact he had the children and she didn't,

863
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: sort of implicit threat there. While trying to persuade her

864
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: to delete emails she had sent to the family therapist

865
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: seeking help, Eric threatened to accuse me of child abuse

866
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: if I did not delete the emails and convince the

867
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: therapist to delete them. He threatened to come to the

868
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: airport and have me arrested for kidnapping and child abuse,

869
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: saying that because of his authority as a former government

870
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: governor who had supported law enforcement, the police would support

871
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: him and not believe me. So these allegations run the

872
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: gamut from direct violent abuse of his wife and of

873
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 1: his kids to extreme threatening behavior and manipulation. So extraordinary

874
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: claims here being made. Again, this is part of their

875
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: divorce settlement and court filings. This is a scorn affidavit

876
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: from his ex wife. And you know the reality is,

877
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: prior to these revelations, Britons was actually leading in the

878
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: polls and likely to be the Republican nominee. Let's go

879
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: ahead and put this up on the screen. This is

880
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: according to a Trafflegar Group poll which has been fairly

881
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: accurate for Republicans and was more accurate than we expected

882
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 1: in the pres election. They had Grdons at thirty point

883
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: five percent, Eric Schmidt in second at twenty three percent,

884
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: and Vicky Hartzler, who has been endorsed by Josh Holly,

885
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: who's sort of like a relatively long time rival of Brighton's.

886
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: No love loss between the two of them is at

887
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: sixteen percent. And as we referenced before, let's go and

888
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: put Politico up on the screen. Trump was reportedly maybe

889
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: about to endorse this guy. Now, this is a report

890
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: from Politico. They say that Eric Brighton's sort of trashing

891
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: McConnell led to Trump being interested in maybe endorsing him.

892
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: This in spite of the fact that previously he had

893
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: made some reportedly made some disparaging comments about Gritons because

894
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: of the prior scandal. And I just have to read

895
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: you the kicker on this article, which is just from

896
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: like two weeks ago. They talked to some sort of

897
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: like Republican analyst pundit type. At the very end of

898
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: the article, she says, I'm like, what are you going

899
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: to attack Britons on? Everything he's ever done is out

900
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: there and been out there, So I'm not sure their

901
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: theory is good. I'm not sure they can take him down.

902
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: What are you going to tell people about him that

903
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: they don't already know? Come on, I think that the

904
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: reason this pairs so well who we were just previously

905
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: talked about is that it's not an exaggeration that say

906
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: that Griton's built his entire post scandal career on stop steal.

907
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: This guy was constantly on Twitter on Steve Bannon's show,

908
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 1: talking about the election was stolen. We're going to challenge

909
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: the results. He's the one of the most naked political operatives.

910
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: I've known about Gritons for a long time, and I

911
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: can't say everything that I know, but what I do

912
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: know is he's a total political art opportunist and political psychopath,

913
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: willing to willing to say anything that needs to be

914
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: said to curry favor with the donors, with the billionaire class,

915
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: and anything basically in order to get elected. There's a

916
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: reason that he's widely hated in his own home state.

917
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: But I think it's very noteworthy that Trump was willing

918
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: to look past a lot of that because Griton's understood

919
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: that the key to Trump's heart will stop the steal

920
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: and saying screw you to Mitch McConnell. And that's exactly

921
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: what he's leaning into now, which is also, by the way,

922
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: about stop the steel Exactly. It's more about stop the steal.

923
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: And actually I wouldn't be surprised if Trump still does

924
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: in Dorset. Maybe it's just such a bad look that

925
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: it's not possible. But just look at how much Gritons

926
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: is bending over backwards in order to make sure that

927
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: he can curry Trump's favor. Let's go ahead and skip

928
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: forward to see five, and let's take a listen. Well, Steve,

929
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: the reason why shots are being fired at us is

930
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: is that I was the first guy in the country

931
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: to come out and say that when I'm elected to

932
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: the United States Senate as an America first senator, that

933
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: I'm voting against Mitch McConnell. And what we found out

934
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 1: today is that and your audience has seen this. You've

935
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: seen the lies against President Trump, you saw the lies

936
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: against Brett Kavanaugh. We found out today is that rhinos

937
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: are now working to make more false allegations. Just this

938
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: past week, literally all the way up until yesterday morning.

939
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: This past week, I was with my boys for an

940
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: entire week. We had a beautiful time. My most important

941
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: job as being a great father to my boys. And

942
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: we found out we just learned that my ex wife

943
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: was in Washington, d c. Meeting with political operatives, and

944
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 1: just this morning they launched a series of false allegations

945
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: against us. And the fact is these are completely basely

946
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: and just like you know, just like the fact that

947
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: we saw before a Soro's funded prosecutor came after us.

948
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: Now they've been charged with seven felonies. She was found

949
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: guilty of over seventy instances of perjury. The truth will

950
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: come out, And what I can tell you, Steve, is

951
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: as early as tomorrow morning. The story about how the

952
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: political operatives worked with Mitch McConnell's supporters to bring this

953
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: out is all coming to light. Well it is today morning,

954
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: and I haven't seen you yet. Wow apparently follows me

955
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: on Twitter. I just realized that that's kind of creepy. Sorry,

956
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: makes skin cross. So anyway, whenever I look at all

957
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: of what's happening here, it's a very important lesson too.

958
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: Also in terms of the MAGA machine, I mean, Steve

959
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: Bannon has been willing to platform this guy for months

960
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: on War Room. To be fair, he platforms a lot

961
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: of cranks like Josh Mandel and many other people because

962
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: they all want to reach his audience. But he has

963
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: been de facto pushed and endorsed by a lot of

964
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: people for completely just sucking up to Trump based on

965
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: stop the steal. That's all it takes. You can be

966
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: accused of some terrible behavior by your by several different women.

967
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: And look, obviously believe in due process and all that,

968
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: but the guy has a proven track record and admitted adulterer.

969
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put Josh Holly's tweet up there

970
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: on the screens, just showing you he has no love

971
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: even in the state of Missouri. He said, quote, if

972
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: you hit a woman or a child, you belong in handcuffs,

973
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: not the United States Senate. It's time for Eric Brightens

974
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 1: to leave this race. He's not going anywhere. I wouldn't

975
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: be surprised if he still wins the primary and if

976
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: Trump does not stand on an election stage and say

977
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: go ahead and vote for this guy, although it will

978
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: be popcorn inducing if he does have to serve with

979
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: Holly in the US Senate. I mean, Holly tried to

980
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: take it, you know, that investigation. He was behind a

981
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: lot of that whenever he was the attorney general of

982
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,959
Speaker 1: the state of Missouri. So you know, they're big, big

983
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: time political rivals. Anyway. Yeah, that's what's happening. Yeah, I mean,

984
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: I think if Greats does win the Republican nomination, which

985
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm not so confident about at this point because there

986
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: are other candidates who have, you know, the backing of

987
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: other political figures in the state and have money behind them.

988
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: But if he does win the Republican nomination, I think

989
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: there's a good chance he loses. I mean, if Roy

990
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: Moore can lose in Alabama, Missouri is not nearly as

991
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: read as Alabama. And frankly, you know, we've interviewed Lucas

992
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: Kunts on this show. He's running for the Democratic nomination,

993
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: and I think he's running a very effective campaign. It's

994
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: you know, really like rip roaring populist, leaning into the

995
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: right issues. So and polling, even before this scandal, Republicans

996
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: were nervous about Briton's being the nominee because the polling

997
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: had the Lucas kuns and the other Democrats really close

998
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: with him already, even without these latest allegations. So I

999
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: do think that there's a good chance that if Griighton's

1000
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: is the Republican nominee, he could lose. He could manage

1001
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: to lose in the even though that should be you know,

1002
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: it should be an absolute gimmea for the Republicans. And

1003
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, his thing with Bannon, it's so predictable. They

1004
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: all think that they're Trump and they can get away

1005
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: with this shit, you know. And Trump was never accused

1006
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: of like violence against women. Let me be clear, not

1007
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: conflating the allegations against Trump, although there were some serious

1008
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: ones there too. But you know, they all think that

1009
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: they can just say like, oh, it's the liberals and

1010
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: it's a political it's political operatives, and it's Mitch McConnell's people,

1011
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: and it's all a conspiracy. That may work with some

1012
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: portion of the diehard magabase, but with the broader like

1013
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: your normy Missouri voter. Mm, I don't think so. I

1014
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: think that's a good point. And I just just reminded

1015
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: of Todd Aiken, who lost in that squeaker of a

1016
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: race back in twenty legitimate rape exactly with those comments,

1017
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: which put Claire McCaskill in the Senate for another six years.

1018
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: So it is certainly possible. Well, here's the other thing

1019
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: you may look for, because Claire McCaskill helped to make

1020
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: Todd ap that's right, nominee Democrats spend money to bolster

1021
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: Aiken in a very clever way, you know, basically like

1022
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: I think the ads painted his other opponents is not

1023
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: sufficiently conservative enough or something like that not tea party faithful.

1024
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 1: That was the you know, that was the political moment

1025
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: at the time. So they're spending house to bolster todd

1026
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: Ache and knowing that he is damaged goods. In terms

1027
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 1: of a candidate, mccaskell should have been dead in the water.

1028
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: I mean, she really shouldn't have had a prayer in

1029
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: that race whatsoever. And she managed to pull off the

1030
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: victory because they got the candidate that they wanted. And so, yeah,

1031
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: this is this is what you get when your whole

1032
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: political project collapses down to personal loyalty to one particular

1033
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: figure and his choice conspiracy theories of the day. Yeah,

1034
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: exactly right. Okay, let's go ahead and move on. This

1035
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: is a really interesting story. We wanted to try and

1036
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: find an angle to cover this, and this is the

1037
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: way that we could put it all together, which is

1038
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: that the generational divide in wealth and resources here in

1039
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: the United States just continues to absolutely boggle the mind.

1040
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: And I don't really see a way that this ends

1041
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: in a good way. Let's put this up there on

1042
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: the screen. This is from the Wall Street Journal, which

1043
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: did this new analysis. Older Americans, flushed with housing and

1044
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: stock portfolio wealth are poised to revive spending this year.

1045
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: The subhead is consumers age sixty five and older are

1046
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: boosting their spending as omicron fades, so total household spending

1047
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: has actually sharply fallen in the spring of twenty twenty. However,

1048
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: consumers age sixty five and over are increasing their spending

1049
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: very slowly and more so than any other age groups

1050
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: over the last two years, according to Visa Incorporated its

1051
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: Index of Credit and Debit Cards spending Momentum, which measures

1052
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: the number of people boosting or cutting their spending. So

1053
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: what's important to note is that all three groups sixty

1054
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: five and over, forty five to sixty five, twenty five

1055
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: to forty five, generally considered in the higher echelon of

1056
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: consumers they're spending all dropped at commiserate levels back in

1057
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. However, older Americans had always been above in

1058
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: terms of their spending and now are actually increasing at

1059
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: a higher rate than everybody else. And what they say

1060
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: in particular is that because this current recession was unusual

1061
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: in that stock and housing values boomed all the while

1062
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: that spending was going down, that those are exactly the

1063
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: assets of which the boomer class has far more than

1064
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: everybody else, and when you consider it in terms of

1065
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: sheriff population, it gets it in more stunning. The number

1066
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: of Americans who are sixty five or older increased by

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Speaker 1: more than a third in the decade through twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: They accounted for nearly seventeen percent of the US population

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00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, a share which will rise to twenty

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00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: percent by twenty thirty. And the reason that that matters

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00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: is when you have a disproportionate amount of wealth. And

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Speaker 1: it's not to say that they don't shouldn't have more,

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00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: because obviously they've had more earning potential, But when you

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00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: have ten x more than previous generations, and especially when

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00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: you have the other generation unable to even attain this,

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Speaker 1: I don't see how this can end well, Crystal, You

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00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: have the older Americans of this country holding all the cards.

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Speaker 1: People have been contacting me friends who are in a

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Speaker 1: financial situation to purchase property. They're willing to put down

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00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: twenty percent, but they are unable to compete because many

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00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: of the boomers that are also buying property, who are downsizing. Actually,

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00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: and while these people are trying to get their first house,

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00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: they're offering straight cash. I mean how are you supposed

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00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: to compete? And the reason they're able to do so

1085
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: is because of their stock portfolios or because they'd sold

1086
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 1: a previous property and are cash flush in a way

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00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: that the younger generations just simply have no complete ability

1088
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: to compete whatsoever. Yeah, listen, if you are already an

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00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: asset owner, you are doing phenomenal. And if you are

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00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: a wag journer, you are getting screwed. Screwed. And since

1091
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: we're about to get to some of this data, since

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00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: millennials have been significantly delayed as compared to generations and

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00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: being able to acquire any assets, you know, most importantly home,

1094
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: that means that they are completely left out in the cold.

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00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: And that's not an accident. That is the structure of

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00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: our system. I mean, the Federal Reserve has all the

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00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: capabilities in the world to basically bolster asset markets, which

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00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: they did extremely aggressively during the coronavirus pandemic, just as

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00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: they did of course during the financial crash as well.

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00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: And so asset prices, stock prices, home prices, private equity

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00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: coming in and buying up homes as well going through

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00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: the roof. While inflation is giving everyone a pay cut

1103
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: and making them lose money day to day to day.

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Speaker 1: And so you have this, just as we have this

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00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: massive inequality split in the country, you have this massive

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00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: generational inequality split of older generations which were able to

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00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: acquire assets in a reasonable timeframe in their lives, are

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00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: now benefiting from that. And if you're a wage earner,

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00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: you are on a tra headmil and you were falling

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01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: further and further behind one hundred percent. And let's go

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01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: ahead and put this millennial tear sheet up there on

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Speaker 1: the screen, which is this has been kind of a

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01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: curation of millennial data. Let me go ahead and read this.

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Speaker 1: When you look at how quickly Americans hit major milestone

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01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: story by year of birth, the millennials are easier to spot.

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01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: The marriage rate for Americans born between nineteen eighty one

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01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: and nineteen eighty five did not top fifty percent until

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01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: they were between thirty and thirty two. The oldest baby

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01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 1: Moomers hit that fifty percent mark at age of twenty two.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to children, the age at which most

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Speaker 1: Americans have a child living at home has also riven

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01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: during the millennial era. It's a thirty one or thirty

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Speaker 1: two for the nineteen eighty one to nineteen eighty five crew.

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Speaker 1: The oldest group of boomers hit that at twenty five

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Speaker 1: to twenty six. Most stark is home ownership. It took

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Speaker 1: until thirty three to thirty five for most older millennials

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01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: to become homeowners. The oldest group of boomers hit that

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Speaker 1: milestone at twenty eight or twenty nine. Think about a

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01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: five to sear gap in the inability to procure asset wealth.

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Speaker 1: This is the single worst thing that can happen to

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01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: you from a financial perspective that compounds over time. It

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01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: leaves you intergenerational wealth and the ability also in order

1133
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: to take loans based upon the underlying value of your assets.

1134
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: These are things that are completely denied to the common American,

1135
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: which a millennial American, which requires them to take debt

1136
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: in the form of credit cards, overspend and also just

1137
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: frankly not live as nice of a life. And the

1138
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: interesting part too, is that whenever you look here with

1139
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: the millennials are the most educated generation on record. However,

1140
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to their ability to earn income and

1141
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: attain assets, they are far behind everybody else. So look marriage, children,

1142
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: A lot of that is culture. Let's not get it wrong.

1143
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: Religiosity and other has dramatically declined in this country, and

1144
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: a drop was almost certainly going to happen, however, and

1145
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: education also to that. However, if you ask people why

1146
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: are you not getting married, they say money. They're saying

1147
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: one of the main reasons is I can't afford it.

1148
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: The average wedding in this country costs twenty thousand dollars.

1149
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: If you ask people, why are you not buying a house,

1150
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: it's not that they don't want one, it's that they

1151
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: can't afford one. So I've always said this, let's see

1152
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: how much of it we can fix based on economic prospects,

1153
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: and then if the level playing field is there and

1154
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: they still don't want to have kids or get married,

1155
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: fine be my guest. But women will tell you, in

1156
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: terms of all the survey that we've seen, that they

1157
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: want two point two kids per household and they're only

1158
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: having one point seven. And the reason why is economic constraints.

1159
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: Some of it is childcare on the hire income side,

1160
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: and some of it is I simply can't afford it.

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01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: I can't afford the diapers, I can't afford all the

1162
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: attendant costs, school, etc. So why don't we fix that

1163
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: part and then if we need to have a cultural

1164
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: conversation we can have well. And on the education piece,

1165
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: there's a couple other factors here as well, because they

1166
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: cite an analyst here that says about twenty percent of

1167
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: that decline in home ownership among young adults is directly

1168
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: attributable to their increased student loan debts. So costs have

1169
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: gone out up insanely in terms of what it takes

1170
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: and what it costs to have to earn a bachelor's,

1171
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, a basic college education, and that debt is

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01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: prohibiting a lot of millennials from being able to get

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01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: their first home. And then the other piece is, you know,

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01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: on one hand, you look at all, oh, it's good

1175
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: that they're the most educated generation, but you also have

1176
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: this college arms race, where now in order to get

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Speaker 1: a you know, decent, stable job, you have to have

1178
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Speaker 1: a college education that you know, previous generations may not

1179
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: have needed a college education to do the same work.

1180
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Speaker 1: And so it's not just you know, it's not an

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01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: unequivocal good thing that you have that college education arms race,

1182
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: because it does also have set you know, I know

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01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: a lot of highly educated women who a long time

1184
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: going to school, and they spend a long time like

1185
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: establishing themselves in their career, and then they look up

1186
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: and they're in their mid to late thirties and they

1187
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: want to have kids, and you know, the clock is

1188
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: ticking and they're having trouble finding the right person and

1189
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: there's all this pressure on them. So, yeah, these a

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01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: lot of these things, these trends that you see are

1191
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: not choices. And that's without even mentioning that you know,

1192
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: this is a generation that graduated into the financial crash,

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01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: and research consistently shows that when you enter the job

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01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: market during a recession, that impacts your job trajectory, your

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01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: career trajectory, and your earnings trajectory your entire life. So

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01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: you know that that's why millennials have been consistently behind

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01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: on all of these life milestones, and the fact that

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01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: they're unable to enter the class of asset owners puts

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01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 1: them on a wildly different track than what their parents

1200
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: and grandparents were on. And also there's other factors, like

1201
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, prior generations that you got a job, it

1202
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: was stable, you got healthcare, you got benefits, you got

1203
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: a pension, like you were there, you knew what it was,

1204
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: and you know, and you were sort of settled for life.

1205
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: With this generation, it's it's gigwork, it's precarious, nothing is

1206
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: guaranteed anymore. What's interesting, too, is that they cite a

1207
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: economist study from twenty ten of the long term, large

1208
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: negative effects of graduating in a worse economy and the

1209
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: long term consequences that can have on you as an

1210
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: earner for your entire life. So simply just graduating in

1211
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight was enough to offset some of

1212
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: your wages and earning potential by ten to twenty percent,

1213
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: depending on what exactular education and skill attainment was. Compare

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01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: that to the boomers who had the prosperous years of

1215
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: the late eighties and the entire nineties. I mean, you'd

1216
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: have to be an idiot in the nineties to not

1217
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: make money in the stock market, Like you could put

1218
01:05:58,160 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: a dollar in there and you were still going to

1219
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: make like fifteen dollars. Yes, the dot com bubble, but

1220
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: that didn't erase all of the gains of the early

1221
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: nineties and the late eighties especially. This is not something

1222
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: that people who are our age have ever had access to.

1223
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: We have never had the ability to even compete on

1224
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: that playing field. So all of this is the long

1225
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: way of saying, is that some sort of corrective has

1226
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 1: to happen. I don't know what it's going to look like.

1227
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: But the reason we put generational war in there is

1228
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: I just see increasing animosity between the two sides, and

1229
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: there needs to be some give and somewhere in the

1230
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: government in terms of an agreement on what exactly the

1231
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: end result is going to be. Yeah, and you know,

1232
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: gen Z I think is going to look a lot

1233
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: more like millennial trajectory than the older generation trajectory. So

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01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: they're just not old enough yet to have all that data. Okay,

1235
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: cringe warning alert, fun block the media block. Here we go. Yeah, Okay,

1236
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: Amy Schumer has just offered up what might be the

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01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: worst idea in Oscar's history. I don't think that that's

1238
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: really hyperbole. Let's go ahead and put this up on

1239
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: the screen. She wanted to get Zelenski to appear at

1240
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: the Oscars, she says, I actually pitched I wanted to

1241
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: find a way to have Zelenski satellite in or make

1242
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: a tape or something, just because there are so many

1243
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: eyes on the oscars. I'm not afraid to go there.

1244
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: But it's not me producing the oscars Sager. There is

1245
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: so much to say about this. First of all, you've got, like,

1246
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:33,439
Speaker 1: you know, the whole Zolenski thirst direction of liberals who

1247
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: have this is their new icon, and they'll hear nothing,

1248
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: you know, nothing bad about him, nothing about some other side,

1249
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, corruption and these other things, the banning of

1250
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: political parties, all of that sort of stuff that's going on.

1251
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: So there's the Zelensky thirst part of this, and then

1252
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: there's the like out of touch, rich white woman's celebrity

1253
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: angle of it that is just like, you know, this

1254
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: guy's fighting a war right now, right, what makes you

1255
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: think that he has time or mind share to give

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01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: to your little Hollywood party here. Yeah, I actually would

1257
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: submit that the worst thing that could happen to the

1258
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 1: Ukrainian cause is to itself become allied with the Hollywood elite.

1259
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: That's not what you want in this country, considering how

1260
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 1: hated they are. And that's why I would find this objectionable.

1261
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: Which is that And somebody sent me a hilarious tweet

1262
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 1: on this. They were like, imagine learning about the war

1263
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: in Ukraine from the Oscar think we have that tweet.

1264
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah we can, let's go and put that on the screen.

1265
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: Give this person credit from Ben dreyf Is E three please. Yeah.

1266
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: Imagine being the person who learned about the war and

1267
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: your car from watching the Oscars and it's like and

1268
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: then what like, what are you going to do? Which

1269
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,799
Speaker 1: is that? Look, everybody hates virtue signaling from the Hollywood elite,

1270
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: and that's why their ratings are at an all time low.

1271
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: Put B two up there, please, they'll just last year

1272
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,520
Speaker 1: they plunged to the all time low, dropping an additional

1273
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: fifty eight percent from the previous all time low. There,

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01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: we're talking about less than nine yeah, less than ten

1275
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: million people. That's like one eleventh of the entire country

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Speaker 1: and even less so of the US adult population. Nobody

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Speaker 1: wants to be lectured and watch or lectured and talk

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Speaker 1: down to on any subject from a bunch of people

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Speaker 1: who did business for years with the Harvey Weinstein's of

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Speaker 1: the world. That's why Ricky Gervais was, you know, gave

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Speaker 1: the best speed. I think it was at the Golden Globes,

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Speaker 1: which doesn't even air apparently on TV anymore. All of

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Speaker 1: this is just a way of saying, is that inserting

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Speaker 1: our culture war and signaling onto this. It's just the

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Speaker 1: worst thing that you can do for the Ukrainians. As

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Speaker 1: you said, it's not like Zelenski has better things to do.

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Speaker 1: Addressing Congress. Yeah, that's great, addressing a bunch of idiot celebrities.

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Speaker 1: That's not doing anything. It's the other piece of thing.

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Speaker 1: It's like I said, it's going to push it's only

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Speaker 1: going to backfire on the Ukrainian cause. The other part

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Speaker 1: of this is like their own narcissism and sense of

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Speaker 1: self importance that you would think that this would be

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Speaker 1: like something that he should do or the use of

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Speaker 1: his time. That's what I think. There's also something too,

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Speaker 1: like your total lack of connection with what war actually is.

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Speaker 1: Like it's not you know, it's it's not some sort

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Speaker 1: of like glamorous cause for celebrities to like, let's just

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Speaker 1: bring this guy in who's literally in the middle of

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Speaker 1: a war right now in Kiev to inform the people

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Speaker 1: or to virtue signal in the ways that we would like.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, this landed like a stone, and clearly she

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Speaker 1: floated this little idea to somebody, the Oscars, and they

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Speaker 1: were like, hmm, no, yeah, she was met with wide

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Speaker 1: ridicule on all of this. I just am I think,

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Speaker 1: from all corners, by yea, from all corners, from the rise.

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Speaker 1: It was a real bipartisan coming together moment, even apparently

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Speaker 1: the people who are within it. I think it just

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Speaker 1: goes to show us that when we have these people

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Speaker 1: and we allow foreign affairs to begin get dictated by

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Speaker 1: our culture war, it's the worst thing that can happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've watched this, you know, with great interest. I've talked

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Speaker 1: previously about people who had the pipeline of COVID maximalists

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01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,759
Speaker 1: as in strap and ninety fives to every kid's face,

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Speaker 1: are now the most strident Ukrainian pro Ukraine Ukraine flag.

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Speaker 1: I see it in my own neighborhood. The doctor Fauci

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Speaker 1: signs remain in the yard, but the Ukraine flag flies

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Speaker 1: over in look Fienes Free Country. I'm not denigrating these

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Speaker 1: people more. What I'm saying is that when you allow

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Speaker 1: these things to have a cultural through line of those

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Speaker 1: two things than you allow you are stopping yourself from

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Speaker 1: thinking uni dimensionally about one thing. And that's why I

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Speaker 1: see the oscars and the entertainment industrial complex kind of

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Speaker 1: embracing all of this as dangerous. I saw Netflix has

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Speaker 1: found Zelenski's sitcom or whatever and has now put it

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Speaker 1: on their platform. Look, okay, I mean, probably a good

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Speaker 1: business decision. It's more that this is not a game,

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Speaker 1: and it's not a joke. It's a war, and wars

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Speaker 1: are brutal and they are complicated, and we need to

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Speaker 1: support them in the way that they want. But also

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Speaker 1: we need to pursue our own interests and harrow, you know,

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Speaker 1: turning people into the Lions and the church Hills and

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Speaker 1: all this stuff. That's really not something that you want

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Speaker 1: to do from a domestic political perspective and somebody else's conflict. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and we've seen already this direction of just

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Speaker 1: like uncritical support for the Ukrainian cause whatever that means,

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Speaker 1: leads to very you know, desire for very hawkish actions,

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Speaker 1: leads to this like Russophobia hysteria that we've been tracking,

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Speaker 1: Eric Swalwell saying that all the Russian kids should be

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Speaker 1: kicked down in college. And remember we talked to Anna

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Speaker 1: Katchen about the Guggenheim protests of the artists throwing the airplanes,

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Speaker 1: wanting them to close the skies. That's the direction that

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Speaker 1: Some of this leads to I was about to say,

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Speaker 1: I would not be shocked if we see it close

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Speaker 1: the size, close the sky's speech or sign at the

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Speaker 1: end at geostros Well. I am excited about the Oscars

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Speaker 1: for one reason, which is a great friend of the

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Speaker 1: show might get an oscar. No big deal for best Picture,

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01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: no big deal for don't look Up, which I really enjoyed.

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Speaker 1: You guys should watch, so we'll be cheering for him.

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Speaker 1: He already won what was it, the Like Writers Guild Award.

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Speaker 1: They won it over Aaron Sorkin, by the way, which

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Speaker 1: is amazing, for Best Screenplayer or something like that. So

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Speaker 1: that's the one reason that I care this. Sorry Aaron Crystal,

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Speaker 1: what are you taking a look at? Well, guys, bread

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Speaker 1: who has it and who doesn't has actually been one

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Speaker 1: of the most central determinants of war, peace, progress, and

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Speaker 1: culture in human history. And I actually don't think that

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Speaker 1: that's an overstatement. After all, grains formed the basis of money,

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Speaker 1: nation states, and taxation. They create the conditions for inequality,

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Speaker 1: pressive hierarchies, and slavery, but also for the flourishing of

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Speaker 1: human beings and the rich cultures, and enabled the technological

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Speaker 1: marvels that we benefit from today. It is no accident, then,

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Speaker 1: that some of the most famous political moments in all

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Speaker 1: of human history are triggered by that humble loaf. A

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Speaker 1: Roman poet once opined that the best way to placate

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Speaker 1: the masses and prevent revolt was to provide bread and circuses.

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01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: This political maxim was actually practiced at the time, with

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Speaker 1: gladiator type entertainment and an actual direct distribution of grain.

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Speaker 1: Marie Antoinette, when informed that her subjects were starving and

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Speaker 1: had no bread, was famously quoted as saying, let them

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Speaker 1: eat cake. It turns out she didn't actually say that,

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Speaker 1: but it is certainly true that bread riots were a

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Speaker 1: central spark to the French Revolution. Women famously marshed on

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Speaker 1: Versailles with makeshift weapons things like kitchen knives, demanding bread

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Speaker 1: and an end to famine, a failed crop and greedy

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Speaker 1: elites having combined into a revolutionary fervor. And in that

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Speaker 1: extraordinary political text the Bible, bread also plays a starring

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01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: role in several crucial stories. Jesus, of course, is said

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Speaker 1: to miraculously feed thousands with just a few loaves of bread.

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Speaker 1: He also proclaims himself to literally be bread, that crucial

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Speaker 1: source of sustenance and plenty, saying I am the bread

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Speaker 1: of life. He who comes to me will never hunger. Now,

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01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 1: bread has never gone out of fashion, though its centrality

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Speaker 1: to human existence continues to the present day. The revolutions

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Speaker 1: of the Arab Spring were in part sparked by bread prices.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at this. Bread prices were actually

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Speaker 1: up thirty seven percent in Egypt as one example, before

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Speaker 1: the fall of present Mobarik. Matt Stoler points us out

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Speaker 1: in his recent Big Breakdown. Also, modern day Machiavelian and

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01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: generally evil practitioner of the Dark Arts, Henry Kissinger himself

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Speaker 1: understands how central bread is to political control, saying, control

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Speaker 1: oil and you control nations. Control food, and you control

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Speaker 1: the people. You should take the time to watch Matt

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Speaker 1: on food prices. By the way, he gives a truly

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Speaker 1: excellent explanation of how monopolies in egg and shipping are

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Speaker 1: destroying family farms and creating higher food prices for you. So,

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Speaker 1: with all of this as background, recent headlines paint a

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Speaker 1: really dire portrait like this one. For example, Ukraine war

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Speaker 1: threatens to call a global food crisis. According to this article.

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Speaker 1: A crucial portion of the world's wheat, corn, and barley

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Speaker 1: is trapped in Russia and Ukraine because of the war,

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Speaker 1: while an even larger portion of the world's fertilizers is

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Speaker 1: stuck in Russia and Belarus. The result is that global

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01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: food and fertilizer prices are soaring since the invasion. Last month,

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Speaker 1: wheat prices have increased by twenty one percent, barley by

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Speaker 1: thirty three percent, and some fertilizers by forty percent. Russia

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Speaker 1: and Ukraine are the bread basket of the world. Thirty

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Speaker 1: percent of all wheat exports come from these two nations,

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Speaker 1: not to mention seventeen percent of corn and thirty two

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Speaker 1: percent of barley. To make matters worse, Russia is also

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Speaker 1: the largest exporter a fertilizer, meaning that the production of

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Speaker 1: farmers around the world will be impacted by what is

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Speaker 1: happening in Ukraine right now and our response to Russia's invasion.

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Speaker 1: All of this has combined into what the executive director

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Speaker 1: of the World Food Program is labeling the worst food

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Speaker 1: crisis since the end of World War II. This is

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Speaker 1: a disaster for working class people all around the globe,

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Speaker 1: but of course it will be particularly devastating and life

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Speaker 1: threatening for the very poor, and for countries like Armenia, Kazakhstan,

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Speaker 1: and Mongolia that importantly all of their wheat from Russia

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Speaker 1: and Ukraine. It's also not hard to imagine how the

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Speaker 1: global knock on effects of hunger, war and revolution from

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Speaker 1: increased bread prices could even surpass the brutality and death

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Speaker 1: of the current horrific conflict. In fact, some of these

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Speaker 1: protests have actually already started in Iraq. The war in

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Speaker 1: Ukraine has helped to trigger protests over food prices. One

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Speaker 1: retired T shirt told Al Jazeera quote, the rise in

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Speaker 1: prices is strangling us, whether it is bread or other

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Speaker 1: food products. In Sudan, violent unrest has been exacerbated by

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Speaker 1: the increase in costs. In Morocco, protests over price spikes

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Speaker 1: were actually going on even before the war started, which

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Speaker 1: brings me to the scariest part of this, because it's

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Speaker 1: actually not just war that is fueling price spikes right now.

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Speaker 1: Part of the reason that the war disruptions are proving

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Speaker 1: so devastating is because countries all over the world were

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Speaker 1: already struggling with their crops thanks to the climate crisis.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at these headlines. Baracos domestic crop

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Speaker 1: production was already devastated by a severe drought. Our own

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01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: farmers in California and elsewhere have been struggling with the same. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: in China, severe flooding has compromised their wheat crop. China's

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Speaker 1: agriculture minister actually said this year's seedling situation can be

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Speaker 1: said to be the worst in history. So this world

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Speaker 1: we're experiencing right now, a spiking food prices and unrest,

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Speaker 1: might just be a preview of what is to come

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Speaker 1: as climate extremes become more and more common. And our

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Speaker 1: political leaders, who could do a lot to ease the

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Speaker 1: pain of this particular moment and prevent a tumultuous future,

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Speaker 1: would do well to learn some of the lessons a

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Speaker 1: Marie Antoinette. Filled crops combined with venal elites have proven

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Speaker 1: to be fertile grounds for revolution. I really think that

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Speaker 1: this issue of food prices, it's very hard. And if

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Speaker 1: you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become

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Speaker 1: a premiums debscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. All right, Sager,

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Speaker 1: what are you looking at? Well? It's a common theme

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Speaker 1: these days among the American right to say that Joe

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01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,879
Speaker 1: Biden has humiliated the United States on the world stage

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Speaker 1: up until this point. I think that some of that

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Speaker 1: was hyperbole. I of course supported the Biden withdrawal from Afghanistan,

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01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 1: and in terms of deterring Putin, I think it's an

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Speaker 1: open question as to why the invasion happened. Right now,

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Speaker 1: I establish all of this so that you can take

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Speaker 1: me seriously when I contend that right now in our

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Speaker 1: relationship with Saudi Arabia, Biden actually is humiliating us on

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Speaker 1: the world stage and diminishing American power. Yesterday was an

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Speaker 1: important day in US Saudi relations, though it has gone

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Speaker 1: unnoticed by the vast majority of the Western press and

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Speaker 1: wilfully ignored by the elites who are in the pocket

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Speaker 1: of the Saudi regime. As we touched on with our

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Speaker 1: previous guests, the Biden administration earlier this month transferred Patriot

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Speaker 1: missiles to Saudi Arabia after an urgent request by the

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Speaker 1: kingdom to supposedly fend off attacks from who the Iranian

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Speaker 1: backed militias. Now, this was done by the administration with zero,

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Speaker 1: I repeat zero commitment by the Saudis to pump more

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Speaker 1: oil and immediately alleviate prices of gas here in the

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Speaker 1: United States. In fact, per the Wall Street Journal, the

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Speaker 1: decision to transfer the missiles to Saudi Arabia was done

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Speaker 1: with the hope that the transfer would ease the tensions

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Speaker 1: between the two countries after the Amiadi government and the

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Speaker 1: Saudi government refused to even speak with President Biden on

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Speaker 1: the phone. So, yeah, you got that right. The Saudis

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Speaker 1: are not giving us what we want. They slap our

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Speaker 1: president in the face by refusing to take a phone

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Speaker 1: call and then leak that to the press. And then

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Speaker 1: how do we respond. We give them exactly what they want,

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01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 1: depleting our own supply of patriot missile systems in the

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Speaker 1: Middle East to transfer to them for their defense. And

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Speaker 1: guess what. It gets even better the very day that

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01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 1: the transfer of the US systems was revealed. Guess what

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01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: these people do. The Saudis say, they will quote bare

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Speaker 1: there no responsibility for the rise in oil prices, blaming

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Speaker 1: the fluctuations and price on attacks by the Hoovies, And

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01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 1: you know those are the ones that we just gave

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Speaker 1: them missiles in order to protect against. The announcement stunned

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01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: energy analysts as it was seen by a direct attempt

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01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: by the Saudis to inject uncertainty into the global oil

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Speaker 1: market and to hike the price, further turning the screws

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Speaker 1: on the United States and the all of the consumers

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Speaker 1: of gas across the West. At this point, shouldn't we

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01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,679
Speaker 1: all be asking the question, what exactly is the point

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Speaker 1: of having a client state in the Middle East if

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01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: they don't do what they asked them to do. The

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01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: Saudis have for years gotten their cheek and eat it too.

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01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: Fifteen out of the nineteen nine to eleven hijackers were

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01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 1: their citizens, not to mention the leader of al Qaeda

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01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 1: and the mastermind of the nine to eleven terror plot,

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01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,839
Speaker 1: and you know the direct ideology through which radical Islam

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01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 1: is born. So despite that, they escaped scrutiny in America

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01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: due to their relationship with the Biden administration and for

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01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: the Bush administration. And yet for years they have increased

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01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 1: their demands on the West with the justification from their

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01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 1: defenders here in Washington, they are representing our interests. And

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01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: because they represent our interests, we're supposed to ignore the

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01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 1: fact that literally about a week ago they held their

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01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 1: largest mass execution ever beheading eighty one individuals in an

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01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,640
Speaker 1: act of religious persecution. Now, I suppose you might be

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01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 1: able to say that if they actually did what we

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01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,680
Speaker 1: wanted we wanted them to do, then yeah, we could

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01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 1: look the other way at their barbarism, at their funding

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01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 1: and their exporting of dangerous and deadly ideologies. But they don't.

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Speaker 1: They don't even ask, they don't even do what we

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01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 1: ask them to do, So why should we ignore it?

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01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 1: Not only do they not do what we ask, but

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01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: they are now actively trying to destroy the US economy

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01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: and hurt the US consumer. And yet our president begs

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01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 1: them like a dog by offering up a treat in

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01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 1: exchange for goodwill that clearly only goes one way. This

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01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 1: is perhaps the weakest thing Biden has done yet as president.

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01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 1: It is a time instead to play a very different game.

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Speaker 1: You might say, Hey, Saudi Arabia is a free country.

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01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 1: It can do what it wants. Yeah, you're right, but

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01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 1: their threats are hollow. Yeah, they can have a big

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01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 1: impact on our domestic economy, but they are a Western

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01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 1: client state. Through and through seventy three percent of Saudi

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01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,719
Speaker 1: Arabian arms imports come right here from the good old USA.

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Speaker 1: Second is the United Kingdom at thirteen percent, meaning that

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01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 1: the vast majority of their weapons and arms come from

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01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 1: the anglosphere and can be turned off like that. As

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01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 1: to their threats of ditching the Petro dollar, that's a joke.

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01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 1: Saudi can talk a big game when it comes to

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01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 1: pricing things from the rial to one. But here's what

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01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:39,640
Speaker 1: they don't tell you. Saudi Arabia pegs its currency to

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01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 1: the US dollar and has since nineteen eighty six. And

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01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: as they write in their own propaganda outlets right in

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01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 1: front of you, they literally need the dollar to conduct

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01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 1: foreign trade transactions because the vast majority of their imports

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01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:54,719
Speaker 1: and exports are needed in stable dollars. Right now, sixty

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01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 1: two percent of the kingdom's foreign currency reserves. Are you

1548
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: guessed it the United States dollar? Or how about what

1549
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 1: they actually do with their money as usual? A lot

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01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 1: of it is right here in the United States. The

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01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 1: Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund is nearly one trillion dollars. It

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01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 1: includes sizable stakes in video game companies like Electronic Arts

1553
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 1: or Activision, Blizzard, City Bank now Boeing, Facebook, Disney, Bank

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01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 1: of America. You guys get the idea. We are talking

1555
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 1: about hundreds of billions of dollars in cash invested right

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01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 1: here in the USA directly tied to the Saudi Kingdom.

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01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 1: It can all be cut off like that. What's the

1558
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 1: rub though you already know all that money, that blood money.

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01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 1: It's a down payment on the US political elite to

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01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 1: ensure that the outcome you see before you is the

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01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 1: outcome that occurs, that they can continue to be the

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01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: most backwards country on the planet Earth and still get

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01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: preferential treatment missile systems, no scrutiny in the West. They

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01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 1: have some of the most high powered lobbyists here in

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01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 1: Washington who have worked for years to keep the kingdom

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01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 1: away from any real scrutiny. And that is why just

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01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 1: two months ago, the US Senate voted sixty seven to

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01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 1: thirty to reject a bipartisan resolution introduced in the Chamber

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01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 1: to block arm sales to Saudi Arabia from the Biden administration.

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Speaker 1: Some of you might think this is a hypocritical monologue.

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01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 1: Yesterday I discussed India why sanctions are public pressure against

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01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 1: them would backfire and would hurt the US strategically. Here's

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01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,639
Speaker 1: the difference between those two countries. India is a great nation.

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01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 1: So is China for that matter. They are civilizations that

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01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 1: built themselves up, that have an intellectual and economic base.

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01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia is a desert backwater with the leadership that

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01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: would literally not exist without the United States. They have

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01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 1: no domestic capacity except for pumping oil, and then they

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01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: tried to purchase their way out of it from our

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01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: US political system. The time is to come that we

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Speaker 1: recognize them for what they are and to bring them

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01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 1: to heal with the immense pressure that we have over them.

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01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: They have been fretting free riding off the United States

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01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 1: for a long time, and if Biden had any backbone whatsoever,

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01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 1: we would never let Riod ever get away with this.

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01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 1: I can assure you they are laughing at us over there,

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01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 1: or more specifically, on their yachts in the French Rivira,

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01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 1: drinking fine wines and violation of their own religion that

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01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 1: they impose on their population, and staring at fake Leonardo

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01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 1: da Vinci paintings that they paid half a billion dollars

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Speaker 1: for just because they actually can. I think that's really

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01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 1: what it drives me crazy. I felt Leonardo thing is hilarious.

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Speaker 1: I recommend the documentary Lost And if you want to

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01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: hear my reaction to Sagre's monologue. Become a premium subscriber

1595
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 1: today at Breakingpoints dot com. Join us now directly from

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Speaker 1: Moscow is Igor Kotkin. Igor is so great to see you.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking a lot by Twitter. I've been reading

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01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: some of your posts on medium. We can actually throw

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01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 1: one of those up on the screen. It's been really

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01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 1: helpful to get your perspective. This one says what the

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01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: West gets wrong in their reaction against Russia. It's been

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01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 1: really valuable for me personally to have your perspective as

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01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 1: someone on the ground there who is anti war but

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01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 1: has a very nuanced view of you know, the West

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01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,839
Speaker 1: of Russia, of the role that ideology and history plays

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01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 1: in all of this. But to start, I'd love for

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01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 1: you just to introduce yourself a little bit to our audience,

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01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 1: people who, by the way, want to follow more of

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01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 1: your work. You've just started a sub stack and a Patreon,

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01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 1: so we have those links down in the description. Just

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01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 1: tell us who you are, what your view is of

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01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 1: what's going on, and you know a little bit of background.

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01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 1: So my name is Yogor Kotken. I'm a social Starter

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01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 1: from Russia. Yes, and I was following American politics for

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01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 1: a while right now, because so the pappen historically our politics,

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01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 1: Russian politics, and American politics wasn't the point about fifty

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01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 1: years ago in a ways that are not obvious but

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01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 1: very profound, because basically the same receipts that neo liberal

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01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: receipts of the Clinton administration that were implemented in the

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01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 1: United States, also, I assume it's good intentions we're implemented

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01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 1: in Russia as well, and we have basically the same

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01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:08,640
Speaker 1: fallout in Russia. And in many ways, our politics, our

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01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 1: culture problems are very similar to Americans. Uh, with the

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01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 1: direction that we have a much poorer country and much

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01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 1: weaker democratic institutes. So in a way, Russia right now

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01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 1: is a preview what you will have if the current

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01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 1: political course available, course will pay out itself in America.

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01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: So because we can see that your institution has also

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01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 1: being wicked by the growing power of polgarchy. Yeah, that's

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01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 1: very interesting. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. That's that's that's

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01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 1: very important for me to share because we are right

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01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 1: now in the situation that basically was created thirty years ago,

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01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:55,639
Speaker 1: and when we're talking about this current war and everything

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01:28:55,680 --> 01:29:00,040
Speaker 1: around it. Uh, we have to understand that basically the

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01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 1: history of the moment was already written. It's right now

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01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: play out, and the history started in the nineties because

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01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 1: all the people that right now making decisions in Russia,

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01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 1: it's increasingly small and small circle of the people around

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01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: putting and putting itself. They were traditions, condition to power

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01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 1: and two what they think in the nineties, and the

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01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 1: first it was, of course, I can let out short

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01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 1: like history a few milestones starting from nineteen ninety two.

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01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 1: The biggest mistake historical mistakes that I see the hindsight

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01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 1: was of course implemented of the shock therapy on Russia

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01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 1: in the nineteen ninety two instead of say Marshall plan.

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01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you can see the difference of the approach

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01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:56,959
Speaker 1: to the country, how it works. On the example of Germany,

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01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 1: we have show therapy on Germany up UH World War One,

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01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 1: attended in the revenge is in Germany Wember Republic and

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01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:10,759
Speaker 1: then Nazis led to World War two, so two world

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01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 1: wars were started by the same country. And then UH

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01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 1: after night after the Second World War, instead of punishing

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01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 1: Germans further UH, the politics changed completely differently and it

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01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:28,639
Speaker 1: was Marshall plan. It was basically helped to German people

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01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 1: to rebuild the country. And now German is the biggest

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01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 1: peacekeeper in the Europe and probably one of the biggest

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01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 1: peacekeepers in the world. So you can you can't uh

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01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 1: explain this some essentialist thing like German character, because German

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01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:48,839
Speaker 1: character uh in the first century half of the century

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01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: was militaristic and uh very violent. And the second colup

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01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 1: of the century, same people, different character because they were

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01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 1: put by bigger power in the contiulate completely and conditions.

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01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 1: So you have in the Russia the same thing happened

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01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:06,680
Speaker 1: in the unineties. Uh, when basically Russia was put in

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01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 1: the position uh, not as hard but close to Bamar Republic.

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01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 1: It was basically punished by the shock therapy for like

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01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 1: it was, I don't know, it was kind of they

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01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 1: were trying to help. Of course they think it was

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01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 1: like helping by punishing Russia through shock therapy. But you

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01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:32,600
Speaker 1: had the basically turned into ulternationalism. Uh. It was not

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01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:36,639
Speaker 1: as let's say hard as was in Germany United twenties,

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01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 1: so it took longer, but the same processes are working.

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01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:43,600
Speaker 1: So in nineteen ninety two it was shock therapy. It

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Speaker 1: started Russian inequality fast fastly rising inequality. In nineteen ninety

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01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 1: five Russian oligarchy class was created. It was created which

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01:31:55,240 --> 01:32:00,599
Speaker 1: explicit purpose to help losing power losing popularity is Yelsen

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01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 1: to win Communists opponent on the presidential elections. So they

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01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 1: created a class of big property owners who supposed to

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01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:15,280
Speaker 1: UH support grip of the power Yels. And they did it.

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01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 1: But when the second term of Fields was over, they

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01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:24,679
Speaker 1: thought who will protect the interest further. So the third

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01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 1: milestone was nineteen ninety nine when the oligarchs created to

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01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:33,640
Speaker 1: help ELS's regime UH explicitly chosen his successor. It was

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01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 1: putting yes and the and the The next part of

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01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 1: course UH growing uh inequality led to harder Greek political grip.

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01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 1: So in in every in every election you see this

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01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:53,719
Speaker 1: UH conflict when there is a county that of power

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01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 1: and content that of people who criticized them for corruption.

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01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,679
Speaker 1: So them growing in the quality calls to growing strength

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01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:06,719
Speaker 1: on the political system. So basically they didn't intend probably

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01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 1: tituatorial power in Russia, but they needed it so it

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01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 1: would keep the country political power. With growing in the

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Speaker 1: quality in Russia which is now completely went on. So

1694
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:19,680
Speaker 1: Igor this is this is an important story that I

1695
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 1: wanted people to hear because it's one that from the

1696
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 1: West people don't seem to really understand it into how

1697
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 1: exactly that happened. And I want to also be clear,

1698
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 1: you were against the war. You know, you're somebody who's

1699
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:33,879
Speaker 1: risking yourself even by speaking to us against the regime.

1700
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 1: From the perspective of the US response to Russia at

1701
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 1: this time, given your understanding of the oligarchy of Putin

1702
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 1: and now living in Moscow yourself, how do you see

1703
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 1: the Western response being received by the population. Is it

1704
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 1: having the intended effect that we are trying, which is

1705
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 1: to basically punish the Russian people in the Russian oligarchs,

1706
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:59,200
Speaker 1: and you know, back some sort of uprising against Putin.

1707
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:01,640
Speaker 1: In terms of your day to day conversations, what do

1708
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 1: you see happening on the ground there right now, Well,

1709
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 1: on the ground people of course see mostly what Russia

1710
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 1: propaganda showed there, and it shows the economic assault from

1711
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 1: the West and basically the whole propaganda that was mostly

1712
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:21,040
Speaker 1: how do they say, we were told that we lived

1713
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 1: in Weimar Republic before the moment, but now we really

1714
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 1: were built in the conditions of Weymar Republic when the

1715
01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 1: West is acting like winners and trying to punish Russia

1716
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 1: for its existence. So basically all the propaganda put right

1717
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:39,639
Speaker 1: now being justified in the eyes of normal people. Normal

1718
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 1: people see this sudden and fast economic assault of Russia

1719
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 1: than when companies withdraw from Russia and made people unemployed. So, uh,

1720
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 1: prices are going up. It's not extremely high, but it's noticeable.

1721
01:34:57,320 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 1: But all of it, all of it. You can say

1722
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 1: in a way that Putting was laid down the conditions

1723
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 1: for this moment for whole twenty years. For whole twenty

1724
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 1: years he was taking control over political system on the

1725
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:17,520
Speaker 1: one kind, and on another count, he was saint Russia propaganda.

1726
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:21,760
Speaker 1: The West intended to destroy Russia at this moment. So

1727
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 1: right now we have the situation when West actually tried

1728
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:31,440
Speaker 1: to destroy Russian economy, and we have no internal instruments

1729
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 1: to challenge Putting in any way. So he's completely out

1730
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 1: of touch not only the most population of Russia, but

1731
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 1: with the broader circle of his support, this famous one

1732
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 1: percent highest ranking families, early families in Russia. They are

1733
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 1: not controlling Putting as well, so he is we have

1734
01:35:53,720 --> 01:36:00,679
Speaker 1: no meaning to means to influence influence russ and politics

1735
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 1: from the inside, and we all under a economic assault

1736
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:07,680
Speaker 1: from the outside, so we have no holds time for this.

1737
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 1: So in a sense, so in a sense, what you're

1738
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 1: saying is that the economic sanctions which have been imposed,

1739
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:17,920
Speaker 1: the indiscriminate ones that have hurt the Russian population, have

1740
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:21,400
Speaker 1: in a sense validated the argument that Putin has been

1741
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 1: making to the population that hey, the West is on

1742
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 1: to get us, that West is out to destroy Russia.

1743
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 1: And now you have that, so it became a self

1744
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 1: fulfilling prophesytion, right. So one thing, yes, one thing I

1745
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about Igor is you know there's

1746
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 1: a lot of focus on the oligarchs. Of course, you

1747
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 1: know that term only gets applied to Russians. It seems

1748
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 1: like we have our own oligarchs here that don't seem

1749
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: to get the same treatment. But there's a lot of

1750
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 1: focus on Hey, if we sanction the oligarchs, they're the

1751
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:52,680
Speaker 1: ones who are closest to Putin, They're the ones who

1752
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 1: actually could be in a position to put pressure on him.

1753
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:59,599
Speaker 1: There has been the sanctions after twenty fourteen were sort

1754
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:01,439
Speaker 1: of less significant. It was like, well, we'll put your

1755
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:03,679
Speaker 1: name on a list, but there wasn't this concerted effort

1756
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 1: to We're going to go after your yachts, We're going

1757
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:08,400
Speaker 1: to keep kicking out of your fancy London apartments. There's

1758
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 1: a little bit more of that going on. Do you

1759
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:15,680
Speaker 1: think that that has any chance to succeed? Yeah, thank you.

1760
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 1: That's why I started with this historic reference, because even

1761
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:24,719
Speaker 1: if they want to put pressure on pushing, the reason

1762
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 1: why Putchin was created, this region was created to prevent

1763
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:33,120
Speaker 1: them communists and leftists from getting back in power in Russia.

1764
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:36,400
Speaker 1: And right now, when we have this level of inequality

1765
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:40,839
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, by criticalist data, it was one percent

1766
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:45,560
Speaker 1: of registruction control fifty seven percent of common share of economy,

1767
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 1: so one percent over half of economy. And even if

1768
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 1: they try, even if they won't, even if they succeed

1769
01:37:55,200 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 1: to change Putchin overthrow, putting even the softest COO possible,

1770
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:03,719
Speaker 1: it will be hard to what's next. All the parties,

1771
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 1: all the political forces that were criticizing growing in equality

1772
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:14,639
Speaker 1: in Russia, they will attack them. And they are understand

1773
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 1: they understand it. They afraid of Bolshevism. They're afraid of

1774
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:20,839
Speaker 1: this scary word Bolsheviks. You don't hear it from Russia.

1775
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:24,759
Speaker 1: But the only context I hear it in Russia actually

1776
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:28,720
Speaker 1: when sometimes in some conversation reach people among themselves or TV,

1777
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 1: they say that basically they're afraid that Bolsheviks will come

1778
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 1: back and take everything from them. I mean Bolsheviks won't

1779
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 1: come back, but the idea that they will be punished

1780
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 1: because it's impossible to rob the country for thirty years

1781
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 1: straight and don't have a pig population that demands an

1782
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 1: answered for them and some accountability from them. It's impossible,

1783
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 1: so they're afraid of it. They understand that how little

1784
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 1: they have is putting. They still be billionaires, they still

1785
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 1: be billion there, they still be flying all around the world,

1786
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:04,720
Speaker 1: they still be a little much better than ninety nine

1787
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 1: percent of the Russian population. They understand it. And if

1788
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 1: putting grief on power shutters, they are very likely to

1789
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 1: lose everything, not only their property but also many their freedom.

1790
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:20,400
Speaker 1: And they understand it. So that's why you have to

1791
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:22,640
Speaker 1: put it in the context and look back in the

1792
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six when there was a close election between

1793
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 1: Borisias liberal country Dat and can is a gun of

1794
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 1: communist conty Dat. I mean it's I'm not a fan

1795
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:37,480
Speaker 1: of a Russian Communist Party. But even this them determine

1796
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 1: power is a scared of proposition for oligarchy. So my question,

1797
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:44,960
Speaker 1: die Igor, then, is is there any domestic pressure right now,

1798
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 1: real one to end the war? We see here in

1799
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:51,639
Speaker 1: the West the TV anchor, courageous people like yourselves who

1800
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:54,960
Speaker 1: are willing to speak out, tens of thousands of protesters

1801
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 1: that have been arrested. But on a realistic basis, how

1802
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 1: do you think that the Russian pop relation feels right

1803
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 1: now about the war. On the realistic basics, I have

1804
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:09,240
Speaker 1: to talk with my mother, and I have to not

1805
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:12,879
Speaker 1: to talk with my mother on the war anymore, because

1806
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:16,679
Speaker 1: she is said to me that I basically translated best

1807
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 1: for propaganda to her, and she because you see, for

1808
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:26,560
Speaker 1: twenty years Russian propaganda built almost emotional, almost personal relationship

1809
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 1: between Putting a majority of Russian population. So when I'm

1810
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 1: saying that, basically saying the softest possible stuff, not the

1811
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:39,599
Speaker 1: hard stuff about what's going on in Ukraine, she responds

1812
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:42,120
Speaker 1: to me that Putting Putting she knows couldn't do that,

1813
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:46,759
Speaker 1: That she gook his minister of Defense, secretor of defense,

1814
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:50,559
Speaker 1: she couldn't do that. Those people couldn't do this, therefore,

1815
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:55,439
Speaker 1: just this must be wise. So that's people who condition

1816
01:40:55,560 --> 01:41:02,280
Speaker 1: to basically have this private relationship parasocial relationship with decision,

1817
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 1: so they can't believe it. What are the what are

1818
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:10,840
Speaker 1: the propaganda channels saying? What are they saying right now

1819
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 1: about what is actually happening in Ukraine? Because I know

1820
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:16,479
Speaker 1: it's special military operation. You're not allowed to say the

1821
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:18,559
Speaker 1: words invasion, you're not allowed to say the words war.

1822
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:21,599
Speaker 1: So what are they telling the population is actually happening

1823
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:25,760
Speaker 1: on the ground in Ukraine right now? Well, basically I

1824
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:28,760
Speaker 1: don't follow close to Russian propaganda, it's too toxic. So

1825
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:34,080
Speaker 1: but my mom basically the main source of Russian propaganda.

1826
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:36,719
Speaker 1: So basically I told you the story. She believed that

1827
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:40,839
Speaker 1: it was an attempt to help people of Donbas region

1828
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:47,519
Speaker 1: because they were bombed by Ukrainian government and Russia intended

1829
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 1: peacekeeping missions and now it's being punished by the West

1830
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:55,719
Speaker 1: for the attempt of peacekeeping in Ukraine. That's the story

1831
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 1: that my mother tells me. There's a story that she

1832
01:41:58,520 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 1: learned from the state TV. Any of the reports of

1833
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:07,280
Speaker 1: military losses and deaths of Russian soldiers, I mean, nobody

1834
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:09,599
Speaker 1: knows exactly what the numbers are there, But is any

1835
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:15,680
Speaker 1: of that making filtering its way home? Last time I

1836
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:19,920
Speaker 1: heard it was publicized about five hundred dead. It was

1837
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:25,559
Speaker 1: a thick or two ago, and since then I didn't

1838
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 1: hear any updates. But of course it's uh, it's hard

1839
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 1: to make out of it because Ukrainians also keep their

1840
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 1: casualties close to them. Also, it was around the same time,

1841
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:42,879
Speaker 1: but Karans acknowledged day they're the casualties in the Russian

1842
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:46,960
Speaker 1: Minister of Defense acknowledged our casualtists. It's called five hundred dead.

1843
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 1: And since then there was no update the time over, updates,

1844
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:53,880
Speaker 1: official dates, the time overgor Let me ask you this

1845
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:57,519
Speaker 1: is there is there a situation that Putin could say

1846
01:42:58,040 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 1: at home to accept some sort of peace steel as in,

1847
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:04,960
Speaker 1: given the propaganda right now, if Putin were to say,

1848
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:09,599
Speaker 1: we demilitarized Ukraine, they agreed on NATO, it's over, We've

1849
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 1: signed the peace steel. Do you see that as possible

1850
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 1: given the state of Russian propaganda or are they preparing

1851
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:19,479
Speaker 1: the people for years long war campaign at home? I

1852
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 1: think no, they won't prepare for that. And I've been

1853
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 1: as critical of put as gets. I didn't expect as

1854
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 1: many of the people the actual invasion, and I completely

1855
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 1: acknowledged that I was in denial because all the parks

1856
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:37,640
Speaker 1: were before us. But I was in denial about that

1857
01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:40,400
Speaker 1: as most people, we weren't prepared for that. And I

1858
01:43:40,439 --> 01:43:45,000
Speaker 1: can tell assured that all the people who against this

1859
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:51,479
Speaker 1: special operation or for it, there will be unanimous style

1860
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:56,479
Speaker 1: relief when it stops for different reasons, but I'm pretty

1861
01:43:56,479 --> 01:44:00,120
Speaker 1: sure that will be unanimous side sided relief because it's

1862
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:04,559
Speaker 1: hitting hard people who against invasion. It's hitting hard people

1863
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:08,519
Speaker 1: who pro support on Bus. But still they understand that

1864
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:13,519
Speaker 1: casualties are growing up and the work against us. That

1865
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:18,000
Speaker 1: not what people who even brought into this whole narrative

1866
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 1: about helping the bus, uh, that not what they expected.

1867
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 1: They didn't expect it will come with such price. So

1868
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:28,560
Speaker 1: I believe that the end of this fighting will be

1869
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:34,080
Speaker 1: met with approval general, major approval in Russian people, but

1870
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:40,080
Speaker 1: not really because we have a delivered system which for

1871
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 1: twenty years was built with explicit purpose not to be

1872
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 1: influenced by any major sentiment in Russia. It close to

1873
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:55,439
Speaker 1: the dilitary state in that sense. So right now it's

1874
01:44:56,160 --> 01:45:01,080
Speaker 1: much more important what is going on in the woll circle. Right. Basically,

1875
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:06,599
Speaker 1: I don't believe in a role his person in history powerful.

1876
01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 1: I believe in historical materials and that history conditions by

1877
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:16,280
Speaker 1: global processes. But sometimes due to this global processes, you

1878
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:22,000
Speaker 1: have this these pockets of power. When one person putting

1879
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 1: this power, this pocket of it's far from of power. UH,

1880
01:45:28,120 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 1: means a lot because the conditions that were created that

1881
01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:36,880
Speaker 1: one person mind uh namely put in this situation means

1882
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:40,040
Speaker 1: a lot because he was put in these conditions, these

1883
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:44,640
Speaker 1: conditions and eager last last question for you speak to

1884
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 1: the political climate in terms of you know, we've been

1885
01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:50,599
Speaker 1: tracking the laws that have been passed incredibly draconian against

1886
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:52,400
Speaker 1: being able to speak on against the war. We've been

1887
01:45:52,439 --> 01:45:54,640
Speaker 1: following the arrests that have been going on. I know

1888
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 1: your boyfriend was one of those who was arrested at

1889
01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:00,200
Speaker 1: an anti war protest. So what is that climate like?

1890
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 1: And frankly, you know, are you concerned about speaking to

1891
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:08,360
Speaker 1: us and what could the potential repercussions be for you directly? Well,

1892
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 1: the infamous law about fake news that basically criminalized open

1893
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:20,160
Speaker 1: critique of the militia reparation in Ukraine. Uh, it was

1894
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:25,800
Speaker 1: the most utalitarian law that we heard like I don't

1895
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 1: know since Soviet times, and it was heard loud, loudly

1896
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:34,799
Speaker 1: career around Plorussia. It's actually funny story. My boyfriend largely

1897
01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:39,400
Speaker 1: in a political and I am a political person, but

1898
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:44,080
Speaker 1: we both get calls from our mothers there after this

1899
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:48,720
Speaker 1: law was implemented with warning, don't say much about this

1900
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:52,679
Speaker 1: scene in Ukraine. So my mother she knows that I'm political,

1901
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:56,519
Speaker 1: so she wanted me because of that. My boyfriend's mother

1902
01:46:56,920 --> 01:47:02,280
Speaker 1: she uh, she wasn't ever political before, so yet she

1903
01:47:02,439 --> 01:47:05,240
Speaker 1: called him and said the same thing. So it was

1904
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:08,760
Speaker 1: heard a loud clearly by the people of Russia, and

1905
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:13,759
Speaker 1: it costs many of the prominent Russia It dependent liberal

1906
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 1: outlets to close basically in one day after decades, sometimes

1907
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 1: thirty years of work. So because it's a really harsh low.

1908
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:28,040
Speaker 1: So right now Russia live under a military in the

1909
01:47:28,360 --> 01:47:32,599
Speaker 1: informational space, we live under military conditions right now. Well, Igor,

1910
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:35,160
Speaker 1: you're a tremendously brave man in order to join us.

1911
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:37,439
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for giving us this perspective. And

1912
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 1: if anything happens to you, I can assure you that

1913
01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:41,200
Speaker 1: we will be doing everything in our power here at

1914
01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:44,120
Speaker 1: the show in order to bring attention to that. I actually,

1915
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:49,680
Speaker 1: I actually would like to add add some historical proposition

1916
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:53,760
Speaker 1: from this what I'm starting to say about Germany conditions

1917
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:58,200
Speaker 1: one way after the First World War and another complete

1918
01:47:58,200 --> 01:48:00,600
Speaker 1: and another way after Second World War. I think we

1919
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:04,320
Speaker 1: can't do much about what's going on right now. Literally

1920
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:08,240
Speaker 1: no one can even West, you know, throwing this down

1921
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:12,879
Speaker 1: from the sanctions, UH basically acknowledge this. They are published

1922
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:17,920
Speaker 1: in the situation. But we must think what to do next,

1923
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 1: and what to do next? What shouldn't be organization of Russia,

1924
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:25,760
Speaker 1: shouldn't be urm Russia in in the worldst conditions and

1925
01:48:25,960 --> 01:48:30,880
Speaker 1: actually way republic about some kind of Marshall plan Marshall

1926
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 1: plan to help Russia and Ukraine both when uh, this

1927
01:48:36,479 --> 01:48:39,880
Speaker 1: stration over, when this political station changes, when they will

1928
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:44,240
Speaker 1: be opening to change political station, not to punish this

1929
01:48:44,479 --> 01:48:47,840
Speaker 1: part of the world, not to try to build an

1930
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:50,479
Speaker 1: iron curtain, and forget about that, because it will be

1931
01:48:50,479 --> 01:48:53,800
Speaker 1: impossible to forget. And in the question I would ask

1932
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:56,800
Speaker 1: Western political leaders right now, what do you think how

1933
01:48:57,040 --> 01:49:00,000
Speaker 1: this situation right now actions will play out in ten years.

1934
01:49:00,640 --> 01:49:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm prea sure they have no answer, and we have

1935
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:06,400
Speaker 1: the answer from history. Look at the history of ninety points,

1936
01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:09,839
Speaker 1: you'll know that it will bite back and much harder.

1937
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:13,400
Speaker 1: So you can you can cut Russia loose even if

1938
01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:17,080
Speaker 1: you try so. When they work over, yes, when they

1939
01:49:17,120 --> 01:49:21,599
Speaker 1: were over, When the political station allows some changes, Russia

1940
01:49:21,720 --> 01:49:25,599
Speaker 1: and Ukraine should be met, uh, the world with health,

1941
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:30,519
Speaker 1: with support, with the money, with institutions, with the everything

1942
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:34,519
Speaker 1: you can help to rebuild, not to shop another shop

1943
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 1: traphy or iron girded at one port and we already

1944
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:42,400
Speaker 1: right now we see that it doesn't work. Yeah, I

1945
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:45,760
Speaker 1: think those are very wise words. We were nervous about

1946
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:48,880
Speaker 1: you talking to us, but you insisted that you wanted

1947
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:52,439
Speaker 1: to do it, and we're extremely extremely grateful for your time.

1948
01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:56,439
Speaker 1: I'm gone, I'm going. I'm going to see what happens next.

1949
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Speaker 1: We are and guys, like I said before, Igor set

1950
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:04,839
Speaker 1: up a Patreon and a substack. I've found his insights

1951
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:07,400
Speaker 1: on what's going on really invaluable. So if you want

1952
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:08,880
Speaker 1: to support him, if you want to follow him, go

1953
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:11,559
Speaker 1: ahead and do that. We'll have the links in the description. Igor.

1954
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Speaker 1: Great to see, great to speak with you. Thanks you, Gore,

1955
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for our pleasure. Wow, you know,

1956
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Speaker 1: just I don't know if I would put myself in

1957
01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:25,360
Speaker 1: that situation, facing arrest like that, But he's a strong man,

1958
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:29,839
Speaker 1: strong in his convictions, really interesting perspective. It's so valuable

1959
01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:31,680
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody who's literally on the ground and

1960
01:50:31,720 --> 01:50:34,639
Speaker 1: facing arrest and can give us, you know, a perspective

1961
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:36,720
Speaker 1: that you're probably just not going to hear anywhere else.

1962
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:40,080
Speaker 1: And just thank you all so much for supporting us. Look,

1963
01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:42,320
Speaker 1: you know, what Egor is facing is not even close

1964
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:44,240
Speaker 1: to anything in the United States, but we're facing you know,

1965
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:47,560
Speaker 1: crazy censorious environment here too, So thank you all for

1966
01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:50,040
Speaker 1: your support. It enables us to be able to bring

1967
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:52,479
Speaker 1: attention to people like him and all of that. So

1968
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Speaker 1: thanks very much, Love you guys, We'll see you soon.