WEBVTT - Catching Up with Bones 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.800 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.920 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.320 And when I find my ball. 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:08.920 In a bright egg Friday egg, the dreaded Frida egg, 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:11.520 Frida Egg, fridagg. 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.239 Brid egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off of 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:40.159 the Welcome back to the Friday Golf Podcast. I am 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:44.280 your host, Andy Johnson, and today I'm thrilled to be 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:50.040 joined by the legendary Jim Bones Mackay. Jim joins us 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.200 to talk about kind of the golf world, the golf 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:57.400 season as well as the Ryder Cup. 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All right, let's get to Jim Bones mackay here. 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:14.320 Uh and uh let's talk golf. All right, Bones, Uh, 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:16.799 We've got the Ryder Cup coming up. It is h 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:20.119 is wild that we're I feel like you blink and 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.680 I imagine this is for you doing you know, a 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.680 lot of weeks of on site coverage. You blink and 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.120 all of a sudden, another golf calendar is somehow over. 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:32.560 We're at the end of here, of of you know, 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:37.720 the big events of twenty twenty five. What to you 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:41.040 to to you what's been the resounding the big takeaway 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:42.000 from this season so. 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:47.880 Far that you know, certainly, you know, Rory getting over 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:49.800 the hump in the fashion that he did at Augusta 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.840 National and winning the Masters and obviously the career Grand Slam, 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.360 you know, with immense weight on his shoulders, I thought 0:03:56.520 --> 0:04:00.680 was a huge story relative to this year and the 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.880 reminder that Scotty Scheffler is the best player in the world. 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:06.400 You know what that guy. 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.440 Does week in week out, the way he does it, 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:12.120 the way he plays, the Nicholas way about he goes 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.440 about doing, you know, take care of his craft is 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:17.279 just never ceases to blow me away. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.240 So certainly they're the two big stories for me. 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.520 And you know, certainly as we head into the latter 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.240 part of the year and certainly the Ryder Cup, looking 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.320 for the emergence of or the re emergence of a 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.039 couple of guys that could potentially help that team a lot. 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.640 I you know, the next couple of weeks are going 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.359 to be big for the American Ryder Cup team, and 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:39.680 there's I think a little bit of uncertainty at the 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:41.680 back end. I think if you compare it to the 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:45.080 European team, it doesn't It almost feels, especially with Matt 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:51.520 Fitzpatrick's resurgent play, it feels like there's very maybe one 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:55.240 spot available on the European team versus the American team. 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.159 It's going to be fascinating to see what happens with 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:02.760 the back end of it. You know, we're relatively fresh 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:07.960 off of Scotty's performance at at the Open, which you 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:12.040 had a a front seat to. You've had a front 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.400 seat to you know, the player that he's getting compared 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:18.480 a lot to these days. Tiger Woods, you were inside 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:22.479 the ropes, you know, going going duking it out with 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:26.520 him in his heyday. You know, if you were, you know, 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:28.880 you obviously have seen so many of the so many 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:33.080 great players the last you know, thirty plus years in golf. 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.479 What is it about Scotty that is that kind of 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:41.400 separates him and puts him in this ascending kind of 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:45.599 class of player that he seemingly is is quickly going 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:47.080 up the ranks of. 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.080 For me, it's where he gets to mentally. 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:53.800 He looks like a guy out there when he's playing, 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:57.960 who's got you know, nothing bothering him hit him in 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:00.400 the world other than the task at hand, you know, 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:01.760 on the golf course, on that. 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:03.159 Particular golf hole that day. 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.800 He strikes me as a guy that has you know, 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.120 very little baggage in terms of you know, what he 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:10.680 brings to. 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:11.360 The golf course. 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:15.359 He's supremely confident and and and he it's fascinating to 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:17.440 watch him go about his business. I mean, I mentioned 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:19.479 Nicholas a couple of minutes ago, and that's the guy 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:22.800 I compare him to, you know, quite a bit in 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.080 terms of the way he goes about his business, and 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.560 he's it's just head down and and you know, walk 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:30.680 to the green, you know, hit your putt, go to 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:34.760 the next tea, go through your process. With Ted Scott, 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.679 I covered him for three of the three three fifty 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.200 four holes at the at the Open Championship, and and 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.839 we never spoke once. You know, he's he's that kind 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.719 of just you know, you're you know, as an encourse reporter, 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.000 you tend to have the occasional conversation with players here 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.880 and there. Scott, he's, you know, so plugged in, he's 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:54.240 he's just doing his thing, and I don't I completely 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.160 leave him alone when we're out there, and it's fascinating 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.560 to go about seeing it. And you know, you talk about, 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.080 you know, the comparisons potentially to Tiger Woods. You know, 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:07.240 Tiger you know, they're different in the way they go 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.800 about their business. And as I said at the Open Championship, 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.080 I didn't think in my lifetime i'd see a player 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.640 that I would be as as willing to say, Gosh, 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.880 this guy's you know, you know he's close to Tiger. 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.120 He's certainly not Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods is the best 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.000 player I've ever seen and probably will see it will 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.880 be through the course of my lifetime. But Scotty, you know, 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.840 he's an amazing, amazing player. And I got called out 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.320 on social media about a year ago for saying I 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.000 thought that Scotty could get to ten majors, and I'm 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.600 sticking with it, you know, after him picking off two 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.200 this year, he's at four and I think there's a 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.120 great chance he could get to double digits. 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:50.640 It's it's amazing what what the multi win seasons do 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:56.160 for your totals. There's so few, the scarcity of majors 0:07:56.400 --> 0:08:00.560 only being four a year, and they're being you know, 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:04.320 you figure in the elite rung of golfers, there's thirty 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:07.400 players that are you know there their seasons are there 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.800 twenty We'll say twenty players their seasons are in. Their 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.000 success of their seasons really kind of dependent on how 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.160 you perform in these four weeks, right, And when you 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:20.840 pick off two, it's the leaps like it kind of 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.200 probably sounds a little bit obvious, but then when it happens, 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:26.840 you're like, wait, Scotty just went from two to four. Yeah, 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.120 and it's like if you get two next year, He's 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.840 at six, you know, and you know, I think the 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.400 the number of players that have won multiple majors in 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:40.600 multiple years is extremely small. You know something you know, 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.640 you're you have obviously very unique experience in this and 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:49.079 something that stood out to me this major season with Scottie. 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.199 You know, I think a lot of people talk about 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:56.679 is his strategy and you know, his target selection and 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:00.160 how he plays very smart. But beyond just like the 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.400 target selection, I think something that stood out and it 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:08.719 really resounded. It was Saturday on the fourteenth hole, Kay, 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:13.640 they had that backflag, Yes, and that's probably you know, 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.000 one of the scariest approach shots on that golf course, 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.960 and you know you're you're having to deal with you know, 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:23.440 you know, elevation change, a very narrow green that's shedding balls, 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.040 and a back flag that's just naturally hard to get at. 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.439 Yeah, fairway slips from right to left, yep, And. 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.440 You think about, like you know, these players everybody talks 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.840 about like smart targets, smart targets, there also is like 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.760 an aspect of that doesn't get talked about as much 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:43.840 as the commitment to your target and the the confidence 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:47.400 to to swing freely with the target. Like I think 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:51.680 what these great players and you you way more experienced 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:53.800 with this, but you have a target. But then you 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:55.800 also in the back of your mind have like I'm 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:56.439 bailing here. 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:57.600 Yeah. 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:01.880 Like to me, what stands out about Scotty beyond just 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:05.600 like the target selection is that once he selects a target, 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.880 I feel like he swings freer than everybody else in 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:14.160 the world where his confidence of and obviously has a 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:15.920 lot of reason to be company he's the best iron 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:19.040 player in the world, but the ability to just like 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:24.520 hit shots at these very well placed targets and and 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:28.320 go at these that are scary shots like he's not 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.600 He doesn't bail out like a lot of players do 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:32.920 in those situations. 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.880 Completely agree. It's uh, I think some of that. You know, 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.480 certainly Ted Scott's not hitting a shot out there, but 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:44.240 I think it speaks volumes for that relationship and the 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.120 trust they have at each other in terms of picking 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.080 out you know, said targets. But but you're exactly right. 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.040 You know Tiger was the same way, and that you 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.280 know people gave you know, Phil Mickelson a really hard 0:10:55.280 --> 0:11:00.000 time back in that era for you know, overly aggressed 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.520 to play. And you know that you can argue yes 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.400 or no on many things that went on in Phil's career. 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.040 But certainly, you know, I thought Tiger was a guy 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.840 that was, you know, quite a bit more aggressive than 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.240 people ever gave him credit for, if you will, and 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.160 and of course pulled off the shots as you're referring 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.040 relative to Scotty. But to your point, I think that's 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.840 that's very well said that Scotty. You know, he'll take 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.000 on take on that target, get it back there to 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.400 that flag on fourteen, and you're referencing and give himself 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:27.800 a look. 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:33.960 It's it's like almost a conservative with their targets, but 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:36.920 extraordinarily aggressive. 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.280 With their commitment to the target. 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.920 And I think that's like an underrated aspect of the shot, is. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:48.199 The commitment to the target? You know, yes, just. 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:53.200 While we're here, you know, with your experience catting in 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:57.600 these different generations, how is how is the strategy of 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.679 how players move a round a golf course changed over 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:02.679 thirty years? 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.280 Well, it's I felt like it certainly changed a little 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.480 bit when the square grooves were outlawed, and chipping, you know, 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.760 for some guys at least became a little bit tougher 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.640 than it had previously been in terms of short sighting yourself. 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.200 But I think with the advent of you know, these 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.520 devices now that you know, like like like do with 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:24.320 with track Man and with the quad, that that these 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:28.440 guys have this incredible feedback now in terms of you know, 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.400 how far they're hitting the ball, how far the ball 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.120 is going on the range. You know it rained rained 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.200 last night, and you know the error is a little 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.360 heavy this morning, and the ball's not going quite as far. 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.400 I think that with with the the information they have 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.480 at hand, it gives them a little bit of a 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.040 of an edge in terms of getting it flags maybe 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:51.200 you couldn't have in past generations. It's a really really 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:57.840 good question. I think that that certainly we're seeing, you know, 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.360 players come out of college now with better short games 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.120 than they did you know, maybe a generation ago, and 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.600 guys aren't quite as scared of certain flags as they 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.719 had been previously. But it's it's it's a it's a 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:11.679 great point that you make relative to guys kind of 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:13.320 getting after it a little bit more than we're used 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:13.720 to seeing. 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:19.600 Yeah, the the young players, I I I guess one 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:22.000 of the things with young players, I do think like 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.520 that there's like you see it with with the open 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.800 sometimes is like when you get a little bit more 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.480 nuanced of of a test, that's where where you know, 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:36.680 the youth kind of shows. But for the most part, 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.199 with the with the way the PGA Tour operates, it 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:43.520 just you know, it's it's never been you know, it's 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.880 it's wildly I think some of its talent, you know, 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.240 an immense talent layer. But I think that you know, 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:53.240 the the riddle of playing PGA Tour golf has been 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.559 you know a little bit simplified over over the over 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:57.360 the years. 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.520 Yeah, I would completely agree with that. And the talent 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.240 we're seeing coming out of college these days is crazy. 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.559 A buddy mine's currently working some events for Jackson Coyven 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.559 and he was telling me, you know, just how incredibly 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:11.560 good this young man is, who I think is going 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.360 to be a junior in college is coming year and 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.720 certainly a player at Cyprus Point and the Walker Cup 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:18.760 this fall, and a good guy to keep an eye on. 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.560 But these guys are showing up and finishing top ten 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.720 and you know, borderline contending with what Luke Clinton did 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:25.280 last year. 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:26.680 It's amazing to see. 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:34.560 Yeah, you know, what's you're always reminded to is who's 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.160 the best at twenty one isn't going to be who's 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.000 the best at twenty five? Always, right, you know, sometimes 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:43.040 you get those generational stars and you know, who the 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.840 best at twenty five doesn't necessarily mean they're going to 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.400 be the best at age thirty. And you look at 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.320 like the most recent example would have been that Matt 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:55.600 Wolf Matt Wolf, Victor Hovlin colin Morrikawa where they all 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:57.520 burst on the scene at the same time and it's like, 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.080 you know, they all won in short order, they all, 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:03.000 you know, and and then it looked like marikw is gonna, 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:04.840 you know, be the best, and he's got like a 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.520 very nice head start. But now it's like, you know, 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.200 Hovland and him, and you know who ends up having 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.360 the next best five years and and you see this 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:15.600 over like the arc of careers, like I think Phil 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:19.160 and Ernie Els had this you know, twenty five year 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.680 run where you know, you could have all these different 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:26.600 arguments and Phil's you know, Fill's long overall long term longevity, 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.280 you know, kind of probably pushes him past in most 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.560 people's books Ernie. But then that early part of the career, 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.400 Ernie had the majors that Fill didn't have and you know, 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:38.560 it's it's a you know, one of the things with 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.440 like Clanton in and is like there are these other 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:44.640 guys that got their cards to Gordon Sargeant and David 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.280 Ford and and like you've heard nothing about David Ford 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.720 and that makes me almost wonder like maybe he ends 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.000 up being the best because nobody's talking about him, right, 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:54.320 and it's because like he he was the best player 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.880 in the PGA Tour, you rankings. It's it is a 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.720 young part of the game, and Koyven and you know 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.720 from a lot of people, people will say coy even 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:05.840 might be the best of all of them. And you know, 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.800 from what I've gathered, it's it's the driver and the 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.920 putter that are just at a different level than than 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:15.560 most people, you know, most young golfers. Where he's driving it, 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.000 you know, extremely dominant and and it. 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:18.760 Will be really fun. 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:19.000 You know. 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.760 I think like what's been nice with you know, Golf 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.400 Channel over the you know, recent years, has been the 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:28.800 increased college uh and amateur coverage, both on the men's 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:30.680 and women's side. 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.840 Yeah, are you going to the are you going to 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:34.480 the Walker Cup? 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.400 I am? I am, It's I'm pretty excited about that. 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.200 It's I'm unfortunately not going to be in town for 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.920 the Amateur, which will be you know, fun to watch 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:47.600 at uh at at Olympic Club, a golf course. I 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:51.080 think that that is it. That is a you know what, 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.920 I want to play Olympic Club every day. No, But 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:58.040 do I enjoy watching championship golf at Olympic Club. Yes, 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:03.880 because the shot the shot demands are so high out there. Yeah, 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.240 so I'm not I will be at the Walker Cup though, 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:07.240 that's are you going to be there? 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:08.000 Yes? 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.879 It was you know, the way my schedules set out 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.160 in terms of NBC events, it's pretty much falls into 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:15.840 place where I'm going to work. But when I got 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.399 back to work there at NBC after catting for a spell, 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.359 one of the first things I did is ask that 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.040 I could work this this you know, Walker Cup at 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.440 Cyprus Point. I'm a huge It's my favorite golf course 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:27.800 of all time, and and I just can't wait to 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.560 be to be uh bed on property that week. 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:31.679 It's gonna be incredible. 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.000 What uh what makes it your favorite course? Like? What 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.160 are what are your favorite aspects of Cyprus? 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:42.000 Well, I think just the just the property every time 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:43.440 I'm there, and I've had a chance to play it 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.720 quite a few times. I can't believe there's a golf 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.960 course on that piece of land and you play and 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:50.680 you just have the best time, and of course you've 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.159 got you know, the holes that take you out, you know, 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.280 and you play in the trees there for a few holes, 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.680 and then you come out on you know, seven, eight, nine, 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.000 ten and all that and play away and then head 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.240 towards the ocean and ultimately you're having this amazing day 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.879 and you get to fifteen, sixteen, and seventeen, You're like, 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.320 are you kidding me? These have to be the three 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.080 greatest holes in the world, back to back to back, 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:17.119 And I just think it's beyond special. I love the 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:20.800 way the club operates. Casey Riemer, the pro there, is 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.040 one of the great guys in the business, you know, 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.359 in the in the in the golf industry that is. 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:30.359 And I just love absolutely everything about that golf club. 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:32.840 I think it's like impossible to be in a bad 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:38.239 mood there. I've noticed I usually play really well, and 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.439 I think it's because like I'm just like in a 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.639 in a state of bliss. Yeah, It's like I'm probably 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:47.040 a sign of like, why the the way my mentality 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.640 should be every round I play golf, But like there, 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.679 it's like I'm just like in this like state of 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:55.800 euphoria and I play well. You know, in terms of 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:59.520 the competition, I can't think of like a better hole 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:04.040 for match play late in around than whole sixteen. I mean, 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:07.239 that's gonna be amazing. I mean that you get that 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:11.880 wind coming in off the left and you're hitting lumber 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.960 into that thing, and it is you can't miss short right. 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:20.600 It's that that hole I think gets harder every time 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:21.119 you play it. 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:24.359 I agree with you. I know it's got my number. 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:27.000 I don't know how you've done on it, but I 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:28.760 just the fact that you stand on that hole, as 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:30.480 you say, in those kinds of conditions, you know that 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:35.680 any kind of mishit and it's wet, there's no such 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:37.399 thing there as hitting something a little bit in the 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:39.960 heel and you still have a great chance to make three. 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.800 I mean, you hit one, you know, off center there 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:43.679 and you're in a. 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:44.600 Whole lot of trouble. 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:49.080 So as you say, I mean the sixteenth hole in 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.359 a match play format on that golf course, it's gonna 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:54.000 be absolutely incredible. 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.159 You know it's funny. The first time I played it, 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:02.080 I almost saised it wow, landed like it was I 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:07.040 almost went deuce juice. But on fifteen sixteen. But ever 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.320 since that time, I think I think I hit it 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:14.120 the second time, but every every every other time, I've 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:16.359 hitting the water. And the last time I played for 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.600 media Day a couple of weeks ago, and I hit 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:21.840 it left in the water and I was like genuinely 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:24.040 happy with the result because I knew I could drop 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.800 up by the by the rain. Like in my head 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:29.480 when I was to you, I was like, if you're 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.159 gonna miss miss left, like talking about like Scotty and 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.760 commitment to commitment to the targets, like this was me 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:38.760 not being committed to my target and just failing left 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:42.800 because I honestly I was thinking about it. I might 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:44.359 just start laying up on that hole. 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.200 I've certainly done it. 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:51.280 It's like a delightful layup, like he hit it over there, 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:53.560 and it's like, oh, I can make three here. I'm 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:57.399 not gonna make most than a four exactly. You know, 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:02.000 the the original there was a there was an iteration 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:05.280 of the routing where that would have been a part 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:09.239 four and it would have played from like kind of 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:12.680 more back into the right kind of like off of fifteen, 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:15.960 and it would have played that way. And you talk 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:19.320 about like a fascinating short part four. You know, it's 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:22.399 obviously one of the greatest holes in the world, but 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.000 I think in that iteration it still would have been 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:26.960