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Speaker 1: Uh and uh let's talk golf. All right, Bones, Uh,

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Speaker 1: We've got the Ryder Cup coming up. It is h

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Speaker 1: challenging thing to get a player to? You know, golf

435
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Speaker 1: is monotonous. Being playing great golf is like fairly monotonous.

436
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Speaker 1: Is it a challenge to get a player is it

437
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Speaker 1: hard to get a player to just, you know, do

438
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Speaker 1: stick with the stuff that works we can weak out.

439
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Speaker 2: That's a great question, I think, you know, certainly, you know,

440
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Speaker 2: players run into a level of frustration or a break

441
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 2: here and there, and they feel like they have to

442
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Speaker 2: force the issue. And I see that you know where

443
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Speaker 2: you're going with this, and Scotty seems to stick to

444
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: the script perfectly. But I just think that, you know,

445
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 2: when talking about Scotty Scheffler, we're talking about an outlier

446
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Speaker 2: in terms of the amount that he that he commands

447
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Speaker 2: his golf ball. You know, he's you know, you know,

448
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Speaker 2: to put it in in you know, a baseball analogy

449
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Speaker 2: if I can, I mean, to me, he's Greg Maddox.

450
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Speaker 3: But he can throw ninety eight.

451
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Speaker 2: You know, he's he's got plenty of speed off the

452
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Speaker 2: tee and he just he knows.

453
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Speaker 3: Exactly how far all of his clubs are.

454
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Speaker 2: Going, and you know he can he can pick things

455
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Speaker 2: apart as a result. But you know, he he does

456
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Speaker 2: everything so well. And and of course his putting stats

457
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Speaker 2: now have improved so much over the last few years

458
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Speaker 2: with the work he's done with Phil Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: It's just.

460
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Speaker 2: He's just something else and I love watching the guy,

461
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Speaker 2: and you know, obviously it's going to be fascinating what

462
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Speaker 2: kind of Ryder Cup he has because because you know,

463
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Speaker 2: the Americans are going to rely on him to a

464
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Speaker 2: tremendous degree, you know, given the depression that's gonna be

465
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Speaker 2: on him there that Friday morning.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you think back four years to Whistling Straits

467
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Speaker 1: and yeah, the he was like he was the unproven

468
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Speaker 1: last pick he had won on tour and one right,

469
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Speaker 1: and then John Rom's putting together this incredible Ryder Cup,

470
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Speaker 1: incredible performance. He's he's keeping the European team in it. Ye,

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Speaker 1: you know, Rory was having having a bad week. You know,

472
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Speaker 1: you look at it like you look back at that

473
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Speaker 1: Ryder Cup team and you're Rory is like, you know,

474
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Speaker 1: I think he was like twelfth or something in the

475
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Speaker 1: world rankings. Victor Hovelin was, you know, a fringe top

476
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Speaker 1: fifteen player, and it was like John Ram was like

477
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Speaker 1: the guy, you know, and and he's having this great

478
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Speaker 1: and then it's like, oh, they just threw Scheffler in,

479
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Speaker 1: you know there. I remember the discourse being like they're

480
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Speaker 1: just kind of giving that bad and that's sure enough.

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Speaker 1: I think it was like Scotty's four up through four

482
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Speaker 1: or something in that match. And it was this, you know,

483
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Speaker 1: you could you could point to a lot of things,

484
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Speaker 1: but you know, him contending at Harding Park, you know,

485
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Speaker 1: early in his his his his PGA Tour career, the

486
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Speaker 1: Ryder Cup and then that that next year launches him

487
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Speaker 1: into the class of player that you know he is now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was, as you say, it was this

489
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Speaker 2: coming out party there Whistling Straits and you know who

490
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Speaker 2: knows I had heard, you know, just through the grapevine

491
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Speaker 2: that he was he was like a player pick that

492
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Speaker 2: week that you know, you certainly get Ryder Cups where

493
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Speaker 2: these captains will walk in amongst the six guys that

494
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Speaker 2: are going to make it on points of the guys

495
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Speaker 2: that you know are ultimately going to be there, and

496
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Speaker 2: they'll say, you know, who are we not going there

497
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Speaker 2: without this? You know that week who you know who,

498
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Speaker 2: who's our lock picks? And I had heard that, you know,

499
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Speaker 2: there there was just an absolute avalanche of support for

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Speaker 2: Scottie and and as you say, even though he hadn't

501
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Speaker 2: won yet, and you know, they show that kind of

502
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Speaker 2: faith in him, that kind of love, if you will,

503
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: and he responds with that incredible victory over John Rahm,

504
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 2: and you know, off he goes, and he's been the

505
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: best player in the world for you know, for a

506
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Speaker 2: large part ever since.

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Speaker 1: It's you know it sometimes like when you're you, you

508
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: play I imagine with these guys, when they play with someone,

509
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Speaker 1: they're the result.

510
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Speaker 4: Like it.

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Speaker 1: Golf such a results driven sport where it's like, what

512
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Speaker 1: did you finish? But there's more to the story than

513
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: the finish or the wins. Is there another player that

514
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: reminds you that maybe not, It wasn't scorching right out

515
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: of the gates that everybody was like that that guy

516
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Speaker 1: is better than what what the public perception thinks right now,

517
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: where like the players knew or the caddies knew before

518
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Speaker 1: the results really showed it.

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Speaker 2: That's that's a really interesting question. Yeah, there's certainly gonna

520
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: be several examples of that. I mean, though he's obviously

521
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Speaker 2: on the European Ryder Cup side, I would say Victor

522
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Speaker 2: Hovland is a guy that there was a huge buzz about,

523
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Speaker 2: you know, very early on, and people were talking about

524
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: this guy's can't miss, he's gonna you know, he's gonna

525
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: win majors, he's going to be a force in the

526
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Speaker 2: Ryder Cup. You know, you can go back into the

527
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Speaker 2: mid nineties. I remember they used to have this amazing

528
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Speaker 2: tournament called the Dunhill Cup in Scotland where you would

529
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Speaker 2: play for your country. There would be three guys and

530
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Speaker 2: you would have, you know, play stroke play against three

531
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Speaker 2: guys from another country. And we went over there in

532
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six. It was Phil marco'murra and Steve Stricker

533
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Speaker 2: and the guys on the other team had The other

534
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: teams had basically never heard of Steve Stricker. I mean

535
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: they'd seen his name in the newspaper and whatnot, but

536
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: they had no idea what they were dealing with. And

537
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: the US ended up winning that week. And the only

538
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: strategy we had as a team was we were going

539
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Speaker 2: to put Stricker against the best player on the other team,

540
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Speaker 2: and he was just waxing everybody. And and that was

541
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Speaker 2: an example of of you know, us and and certainly

542
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: you know players around the tour and Gaddy's having an

543
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: idea of how good Steve was very early.

544
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Speaker 3: On in his career, and you know, the amazing putter

545
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Speaker 3: that he was.

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Speaker 2: But uh, you know, I'm just thinking off the top

547
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Speaker 2: of my head, there's another player that that that I'm

548
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Speaker 2: going to have to it's gonna come to me here

549
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Speaker 2: in a second.

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Speaker 3: That would certainly relate to what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, one that like if I

552
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Speaker 1: think what I think about it is like one that

553
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Speaker 1: comes to mind is like there's that great Steve Williams

554
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: quote about Brooks Kopka, like a couple of years before

555
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: he went on his major run. Like there's there's certain

556
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: guys that when when you walk by on the range,

557
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: it sounds different Brooks cup goes like, you know, and

558
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Speaker 1: I think that pre dated any of his major wins

559
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: and and kind of you know, you think about a

560
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: guy that went played on the European Tour and the

561
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Speaker 1: Challenge Tour before he came.

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Speaker 4: To the US.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's you know, but there you can't

564
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Speaker 1: fake it sometimes when you when you go around or

565
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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I think what's interesting about golf is like,

566
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Speaker 1: you know, especially you could play with someone and you

567
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: could beat them on a day, but you walk away

568
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: maybe knowing that they have stuff that you don't have,

569
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Speaker 1: you know, And I think that's like the interesting thing

570
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Speaker 1: about like the highest levels of golf and like a

571
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Speaker 1: Scottie Scheffler be you know, being a player. Pick would

572
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Speaker 1: be one that like probably some of those guys have

573
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: had seen him play on tour and be like I

574
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Speaker 1: don't have that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's right. And during the pandemic, you know whatever.

576
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: It was twenty twenty one and the tour played two

577
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Speaker 2: consecutive weeks at the at the in Columbus, Ohio at

578
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Speaker 2: Jack Nicholas's place there at Mierfield Village, and I caddied

579
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Speaker 2: both of those weeks for Matt Fitzpatrick and I can't

580
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Speaker 2: remember who was the first week of the second week,

581
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Speaker 2: but we got out Thursday Friday pairing and one of

582
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Speaker 2: the guys we were paired with was Scotti Scheffler. And

583
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Speaker 2: I'd seen his name before, didn't know much about himknew

584
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Speaker 2: that he was a relatively new guy on tour and

585
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Speaker 2: it was fascinating to watch him play at that stage

586
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: in his career and just to see the shots that

587
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Speaker 2: he hit. And you know, I can remember being on

588
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: the range with with Matt post rounds and looking at

589
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: each other going, Wow, what's up with that Schefler kid.

590
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Speaker 2: This kid's going places, and uh, you know it's it's

591
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Speaker 2: it's I love seeing guys play at that stage and

592
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: where where you can just see the you know, the

593
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: superstar in them just waiting to burst out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's amazing. I I yeah, I I played, Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is a lower level. I played golf

596
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Speaker 1: with uh, this guy who's become a really good buddy.

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Speaker 1: And it was like the very early days of me

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Speaker 1: doing this. And you know, at the time, I was

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Speaker 1: playing competitive golf, uh at a you know, a good

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Speaker 1: level for a working stiff, you know. And uh and

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Speaker 1: I I remember I played like an early morning round

602
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Speaker 1: we were at we were at a bar the night before,

603
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Speaker 1: and I might have clipped him on the day, but

604
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Speaker 1: I walked away and I was like, oh my god,

605
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: like he's so much better than me. Yeah, so much better.

606
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: And like now he's like one of the you know,

607
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Speaker 1: ten best Madams in the in the world. And it's like, yeah,

608
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Speaker 1: he's usually better, you know. And at the time he

609
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Speaker 1: wasn't like even I don't think he was twenty five yet.

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Speaker 1: But it's you know, it's just like funny how you

611
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Speaker 1: can just sometimes tell it's like, you know, these people

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Speaker 2: that there's going to be a lot of rough, So

650
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Speaker 2: I one of the things that I would be looking

651
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 2: at as a caddy is your ability to play aggressively

652
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 2: from the rough and still get after certain flags because

653
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: you would think that I would think that the greens

654
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: shouldn't be overly firmed there that week. You know, certainly

655
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: a lot of it's gonna be weather dependent. But I

656
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: just think that, you know, you go around the golf

657
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: course as a caddy and you're just thinking.

658
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: You know, birdies, birdies.

659
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 2: You can't fake it at the Ryder Cup, and rarely

660
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: is somebody going to give you a match. You've got

661
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: to go out there and earn it. And I can

662
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: remember walking the golf course at Hazeltem and you know,

663
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: you see, you know, some opportunities to maybe get out

664
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: there and make five or six birdies in a round

665
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: and and hopefully you know, grab a hold of the

666
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: match that you're ultimately competing in. And I think ik

667
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: Fulfhill there and the singles match against Sergio in twenty

668
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: sixteen and film eye either ten or eleven birdies on Sunday,

669
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: and you just remember that they have these opportunities, and

670
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: the golf course is set up in a fashion that

671
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: really lets you get after it.

672
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: That I feel like the Rory Reid match that day

673
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: at Hazeltem, the start of that match overshadowed what was

674
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: like one of the greatest singles matches of all time,

675
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: that Sergio phil match, I mean was that the was

676
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: that the best golf match that you've ever been a

677
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: part of I mean Stson, the Stetson Phil at the

678
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: Open was probably the best golf ever. Maybe.

679
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 3: You know, some guy came up to me.

680
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: I was at an Open Championship a few years later,

681
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: and this guy came up to me, who was some

682
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: kind of you know, math professor in Finland or something

683
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 2: like that, was telling me that it was the Phil's

684
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 2: performance in which he finished second in that particular Open

685
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: championship was the fifth greatest performance in the history of

686
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: majors based on this research that he'd done. He had

687
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: become fascinated with, you know, the fact that Phil had

688
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: played so well and ultimately not won the tournament. But

689
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: I think that Phil's duel with Payne Stewart at late

690
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: there at Pinehurst in ninety nine was also really really

691
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: good golf at at an extremely high level on a

692
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: great golf course. But yeah, you know, Phil was one

693
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 2: of the great players of all time, and he needed

694
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: and did a number of things, you know, incredibly well

695
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: on big, big stages. But that that Sunday at Hazel team.

696
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: Was way way up.

697
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: There with with match play being your you know, we

698
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: can week out on tour, they're playing the golf course

699
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: like and you you try not to get wrapped up

700
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: with like what other people are doing in a sense,

701
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: and you're you're executing your game plan against the golf course.

702
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: With match play, you're you're playing somebody else. And as

703
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: much as I think, like people say, oh you still

704
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: play the course, you try and treat it like you're

705
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: playing somebody else and like what they do, it it

706
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: alters how you play with match play. Do you see

707
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: a different type of U style from these players in

708
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: terms of like maybe they're a little bit more aggressive

709
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: at times, and you know, is there a difference in

710
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: how they go about attacking a golf course?

711
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: I think so.

712
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: I think that in match play you certainly don't have

713
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 2: to be perfect. You can get away with a little

714
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: something here or there. I just think, again, yeah, it's

715
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: about aggressive play and being rewarded for it and you know,

716
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: hitting the ball hard.

717
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 4: I was.

718
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: I was laughing to myself this morning thinking about old

719
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 2: Ryder Cup memories. If I if I could just tell

720
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: a quick story when we went to twenty twelve, we

721
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: had the tragic Ryder Cup in Chicago where the US

722
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: gave up a big lead on Sunday, But it was

723
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: Keegan Bradley's first Ryder Cup as a player, and it

724
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 2: was it was basically a done deal that entire week

725
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: that he was going to play with Phil in alternate shot.

726
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you've heard this story, but

727
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: I think that Phil may have pulled a fast one

728
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: on him in terms of who was going to hit

729
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: the T shot off the first tee there in their

730
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: first match. And I think Phil had planned on doing

731
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 2: it and then informed Keegan pretty late in the process.

732
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: Oh no, by the way, you're going to be teeing

733
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: off on one. So they had their conversations. I knew that,

734
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 2: you know, ultimately Keegan was going to hit this T shot.

735
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 2: So I fourcaddied on the first hole there. Hey see'm

736
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: not Hazeltine at Medina, and you know, I was about

737
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 2: three hundred yards.

738
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 3: Off the team.

739
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: You get out there and you know it's a relad

740
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 2: Ryder Cup and you're so jacked up as a caddy

741
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: and it's just the most incredibly exciting week. And uh,

742
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 2: I can hear from three hundred yards away the introduction

743
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: and from the United States, you know, Michelson Bradley and

744
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: to tee off, here's Keegan. He hits his T shot

745
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: and when you're four, caddying is a caddy. You know,

746
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: you need to pick the ball up, you know, get

747
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: your act together, find a thing, get out there and

748
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: take care of the origin. And I got nothing. I'm

749
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 2: looking around. I don't know where this ball went. And

750
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: the Marshalls are standing next to me. No one knows

751
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: where it went relative to the shots have been played

752
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 2: there earlier in the day. And then some and some says,

753
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: look over there, and there's a ball forty yards short

754
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: of the green. Keegan had literally hit the you know,

755
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: the longest drive of his life off this first tea

756
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: and you know, we got a big kick out of it.

757
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 2: And the match moves on, and we got to about

758
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 2: the fourth or fifth hole and Phil was hitting a

759
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: pot and so I had, you know, thirty seconds of

760
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 2: myself and Keegan walked over to me and said, hey,

761
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: I got a question for you.

762
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 3: I said, what's that?

763
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 2: He goes, what happened on holes one, two, and three.

764
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: I completely blacked out. And he could not, for the

765
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: life of him, remember anything that happened in the first

766
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: few holes because he was just so amped up and

767
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 2: just you know, driving it so far and was so

768
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: into the moment and I think it just speaks for

769
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 2: you know, where these guys go mentally that week, how

770
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: excited they are to represent their country and their peers

771
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: and and and all Americans, and you know, and the

772
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: same works on the other side as well. It's just

773
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 2: it's just the most amazing competition. They just can't wait

774
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: to get after it.

775
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: I imagine you gotta like, from a caddy perspective, it

776
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: could be challenging because of the sheer amount of adrenaline

777
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: trying to try to figure out like what how the

778
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: body and how the swing and distances react.

779
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 3: No question.

780
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: You know, you look back over certain shots that you

781
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 2: that you caddied at or with, you know, with your player,

782
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: and I kick myself. Now, when when Phil had that

783
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: match with Sergio, we had a wedge into the last hole.

784
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: It was like one hundred and twenty eight yards and

785
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 2: you know, beautiful weather. They're in Minnesota that weekend, and

786
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 2: I did not do a good enough job of factoring

787
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: and adrenaline and where these guys were at in terms

788
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: of how far they were hitting the ball because of

789
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: how jacked up they were. And Phil hit this web

790
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 2: shot and it was all over it and we didn't

791
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: get the reaction from the from the crowd that I

792
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: expected to. And you walked up there and the ball was,

793
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: you know, twenty five thirty feet behind the flag, and

794
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: I was just so upset with myself that I hadn't

795
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: factored in enough for adrenaline relative that shot being played

796
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: on the eighth hole in a match as tense as

797
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: this one, and Phil made it anyway down the hill.

798
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: But you're right there. There's so much to.

799
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 2: Take care of and to consider in these matches, and

800
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 2: you'll see guys you know, do some pretty outlandish things

801
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 2: that weeks because they have just so much pumping through

802
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: their bodies.

803
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: Is that a challenge too? Is it more of a

804
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: challenge to then a normal tour event just managing emotions

805
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: that can happen throughout a match?

806
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: I would say without question, I think there's things that

807
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 2: go on the Ryder Cup that don't go on anywhere else,

808
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: maybe also including the Majors. The Ryder Cup is just

809
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 2: unique unto itself, and in my experience at least, I've

810
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 2: never seen guys you know, feel quite as much pressure

811
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: as they do at Ryder Cups. Certainly if you've got delayed,

812
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: you know, the last round of a major That's that's

813
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: that's very similar as well. But it's I think that

814
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: that you feel so much pressure given the facts you've

815
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: got eleven teammates, you know, other caddies, you know, the

816
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: front office, if you will, with the captains, you just

817
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: feel an incredible responsibility to get it done. And you know,

818
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 2: nobody wants to be the reason why you didn't get

819
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: it done, and it's it's just just I just think

820
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: it's just the most amazing tournament. And I think that

821
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: the Ryder Cup's what's so great about sports.

822
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's dynamic shift for these guys. I think

823
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: like one of the things that makes golf extraordinarily difficult

824
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: is anything that's like a different feeling, a new feeling.

825
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: I think that's you know, when you see people struggle

826
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: in major championships, like it just feels a little different.

827
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: There's more weight to it with with the you know,

828
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: these guys have played their entire careers really for the

829
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: most part for themselves, and you know, you you learn

830
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: this if I grew up, I grew up caddying and

831
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: then like occasionally caddy for my friends in tournaments that

832
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm you know, and I found my I

833
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: find myself more nervous caddying than playing, because like I

834
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: get more nervous because I'm not in control. And I

835
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: think there's a layer of these guys like having the

836
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: weight of like it's in a in a in a

837
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: best ball or an alter shot, having the weight of

838
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: like I'm not just letting down myself because I think

839
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: it's like easier to let down yourself than let down

840
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: anybody else. And I think that's like the added dynamic

841
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: of the Ryder Cup or any team matchplay competition of

842
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: that it's new and it's a different feeling, you know,

843
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: and they just don't play it enough that you can

844
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: get some really crazy outlier shots and performances is both

845
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: good and bad.

846
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, I completely agree with you. It's fascinating.

847
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: One thing I will say about this Ryder Cup that

848
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: I think is very important that hasn't necessarily happened at

849
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: previous Ryder Cups is I think it's going to be

850
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: very interesting to see as how close to the actual

851
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 2: competition itself the twelve guys on the team actually play.

852
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: In other words, you know, is NAPA going to end

853
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: up with an amazing field this year? Because you know,

854
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 2: everybody wants to play within a couple of weeks of

855
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: the tournament, whereas I think in Rome, the American team

856
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 2: a vast majority of them hadn't played for several weeks

857
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: running up into the competition, whereas the Europeans had.

858
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Europeans run up to the Ryder Cups perfect

859
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: because they have all the European Tour's biggest event effectively

860
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: like the big swing of their season, and it leads

861
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: right into the Ryder Cup. And as you know, you

862
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: did a lot of work. You you have a you

863
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: have a digital series with aon that like dives into

864
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: the golf course and the course insights in terms of

865
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: of what we can expect from Beth Page, What would

866
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: be what would you be looking at from like a

867
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: skill set standpoint that you think will thrive at at

868
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: beth Page, Black and and and type of things you'd

869
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: be looking for if you were setting up a team.

870
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: Uh, certainly some length off the tea. It's a it's

871
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: a big golf course. I also think that length off

872
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: the tea can can help in terms, you know, psychologically

873
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 2: in terms of you know who you're playing against, especially

874
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 2: if you're longer than the guys that you're competing against.

875
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: But length off the tea, you know, solid ball strikers,

876
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: and I you know, it goes without saying, but in

877
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 2: my experience, Ryder Cups are one, you know, on putts

878
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 2: between ten and twenty feet and who can you know,

879
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: create some momentum with that flat stick and ultimately get

880
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: it done. So it's when I was with a on

881
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 2: and we were we were breaking down the golf course

882
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: and looking at it a lot from a data driven standpoint.

883
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: I just think that you've got to have world class

884
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 2: ball strikers and certainly some guys that can you know,

885
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: pick up a little bit of heat with the putter.

886
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: But length off the tea, I think that week is

887
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: going to be extremely important.

888
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

889
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: Obviously, big golf course with elevated targets, the last agreens

890
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: up on rages where hitting it high and long is

891
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: a big, big benefit. And we saw that last at

892
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: the last PGA there where you know, yeah, yeah Brooks

893
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: and DJ way out in front to the at the

894
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: time longest you know, most accomplished you know drivers and

895
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: ball strikers in the sport. You know with Beth Page

896
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: are there are there a couple holes that stand out

897
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: in particular for match play.

898
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, fifteen for me is uh.

899
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a massive hole that

900
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: week in terms of you know, willing winning and losing.

901
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: It's a it's a very difficult te shot because there's

902
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 2: the whole dog legs to the left. It's an uphill

903
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: second shot with some great whole locations on the green,

904
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: but it's a very intimidating T shot because it's hard.

905
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: You can't really it's like an infinity edge fair away.

906
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 2: You can't really see what you're hitting into and there's

907
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: very little to aim at. So I think that that

908
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 2: hole in particular could could go a long way and

909
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: determining a lot of matches as they come down the stretch.

910
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 4: That's uh.

911
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: You know the uh I think like that whole back

912
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: nine set up is pretty you know, there are a

913
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: lot of holes that kind of like separate great you

914
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: know even at the start of it. You know, the

915
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: finish eighteen will be a fun finishing whole obviously, like

916
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: super executional T shot beth Age. You know, you hear

917
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: about like great matchpy golf courses. I think like, you know,

918
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: great golf courses aligned themselves to you know, great matchplight

919
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: courses in general, and I think that's you know, one

920
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: of the the aspects of that Beth Page will bring

921
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: is that it is going to be one of the

922
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: better Ryder Cup venues that we will see.

923
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 3: Agreed.

924
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: I think that's it's it's one of the best golf

925
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: courses in the country. It's it's relentless from the get go.

926
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: You're going to see birdies, You're going to see bogie's.

927
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 2: The course, I imagine, will be an amazing, amazing condition.

928
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: I know the first time I stepped on it in

929
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 2: two thousand and two and two thousand and nine, to

930
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: those two US Opens, I couldn't believe the condition of

931
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: the greens.

932
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 3: They were like carpet.

933
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 2: So I just think it's going to be amazing and

934
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: certainly a very pro American crowd. I'll be a neutral

935
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: observe of that week working for NBC, but it's it's

936
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: it's it's going to be an amazing show for a

937
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 2: lot of people for a lot of reasons. And I

938
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: cannot wait. I mean, we talked about you can't wait

939
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: for the Walker Cup. Between the Walker Cup and the

940
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: Ryder Cup this year, we've got some amazing golf this fall.

941
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: It kind of Uh, it makes for the the the

942
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: letdown of major season being over is like not that

943
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: harsh this year, having both those events with you. You

944
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: mentioned the fans. You you've been in the mix late,

945
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: You've been late on Sunday inside the ropes at Shinnacock,

946
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: Beth Page and uh and wing Foot. I'm curious if

947
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: you know New York fans get they have quite a reputation.

948
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: Their reputation precedes themselves. Is there a different dynamics based

949
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: off of the different you know, big time courses and

950
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: in the met area. I guess Baltistrall would be another one.

951
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's funny at Baltisroll when Phil won

952
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 2: there in five, we had the unique experience. Phil led

953
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: early on Sunday, had some momentum, looked like the guy

954
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: that was maybe gonna win the tournament, and then gave

955
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: up the lead in the middle of the round. And

956
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: there were certainly some people in the gallery that weren't

957
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 2: fired particularly happy with with with what was going out there.

958
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: They'll let you know it, so you know, I'm filling

959
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 2: it up, you know, rebounding and winning the tournament on

960
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 2: the seventy second.

961
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 3: Hall, making a birdie.

962
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 2: But you know, it's it's gonna be really really interesting,

963
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 2: and you know, I think that, uh, you know, the

964
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: crowds are going to be incredible. They're going to be

965
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: really really supportive, but uh, you know, if you go

966
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 2: out there and lay an egg, they're going to let

967
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: you know about it. So, uh, it's gonna be incredibly unique.

968
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: They're they're very knowledgeable sports fans. I hope we get

969
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 2: a lot of local people from the beth Page area

970
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: that would make it that much more special, But uh,

971
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: I tell you, it's just to have it there. I

972
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: just remember going there in O two and and seeing

973
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: the setup of the golf course and seeing the huge

974
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: bleachers behind the seventeenth green air that par three up

975
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: the hill, and a lot of people that we were

976
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: talking about, can you imagine.

977
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 3: If we ever had a Ryder Cup here?

978
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: And and now all these years later, now it's happening,

979
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: and I just think it's going to be one of

980
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: the great great Ryder Cup spots in the US that

981
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: we've ever seen.

982
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: O two. Obviously you're in the mix six you're in

983
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: the mix or in the mix at are at at

984
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:31,959
Speaker 1: wing Foot? What are what were your favorite memories. Maybe

985
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 1: not favorite, but you know, most vivid memories from uh

986
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: from Beth Page over the years and in the majors.

987
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: I would say, you know, certainly did fans come to

988
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 2: mind immediately, Uh, just the quality of the golf course,

989
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: just how relentlessly tough it is, as you say, the

990
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: back nine you get to ten. We had the fascinating

991
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: thing happen in an O two where the the the

992
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: USGA didn't anticipate the weather coming in I think on

993
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: Friday as much as they could have, and guys couldn't

994
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: reach the tenth fairway U, which was of uh made

995
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 2: for some really interesting post round discussion in the locker

996
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: room and the range. Uh that that that was a

997
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 2: really really interesting day. You know, I think the weather

998
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 2: could play a big part in this Rider Cup. I

999
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 2: don't know what we're gonna get, but I think we

1000
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: can get just about anything in terms of sunshine, rain,

1001
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: you know, warm, cool, whatever.

1002
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 3: The case may be.

1003
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: Uh, But Uh, I just think that it's it's it's

1004
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: just it's so unique to that area and the fact

1005
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 2: that it's, you know, a public golf course. You know

1006
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: that that brings a little something, a little flavor to

1007
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 2: the to the event itself, and you know in terms

1008
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: of you know, the folks you get out there are

1009
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 2: rooting for you. You know, I can make a part

1010
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: on that whole what are you doing kind of thing. So, uh,

1011
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 2: it's it's just uh, it's just a classic, classic American venue.

1012
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: What's a favorite Ryder Cup? Bevery You obviously talked about

1013
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: Hazel Team, any other in the in the Kick and Bradley,

1014
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 1: any other Ryder Cup memories that jumped in mind.

1015
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: I mean, how much time you got. I mean, you know,

1016
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 2: there's there's great memories. There's incredibly tough memories. I can

1017
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 2: tell you a story if we have a couple of

1018
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 2: minutes about the very first Ryder Cup I ever went to.

1019
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 3: If you want yea, let's hear it.

1020
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety three, Phil won the International and the

1021
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: Ryder Cup was going to be played that year at

1022
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 2: the Belfrey and Phil didn't get picked. He was, you know,

1023
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: it wasn't a big surprise at the time. He'd want

1024
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: you know, he'd just turned pro and I've been pro

1025
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: for a year and a half. But Phil had won

1026
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: the International, and I had made a few bucks, and

1027
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 2: I was obsessed with going to the Ryder Cup. I

1028
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 2: wanted to go, want to go see it, wanted to

1029
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 2: go check it out for myself.

1030
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: So I thought to myself.

1031
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: I called my buddy Joe Lacava, who was cutting for

1032
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: Fred Couples. I said, if I buy a ticket to

1033
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: come over there to watch the Ryder Cup, can I

1034
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 2: crash on the floor of your hotel because I knew

1035
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: there'd be nowhere to stay.

1036
00:53:58,520 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 3: And he said, sure, of course you can.

1037
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: So I went over there, flew over there on my

1038
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: own dime, you know, found my way to the belfry

1039
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: and I was there about an hour, and I got

1040
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 2: pressed into service, if you will. And what I mean

1041
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: by that this is back before there were four or

1042
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 2: five assistant captains and an unbelievable staff of people to

1043
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 2: take care of you. Back then, it was just Tom Watson,

1044
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: the captain, his assistant Stan Thirsk, and nobody else. So

1045
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: in terms of you know, there being somebody to grab

1046
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 2: you a dozen balls, or to grab you a sandwich

1047
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 2: or whatever the case may be, that turned out to

1048
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: be me. I got hired as the team go for

1049
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 2: So I'm running around during these practice rounds just having

1050
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 2: the time of my life. I've gone from being outside

1051
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 2: the ropes and now being inside the ropes and it's great.

1052
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: So come Friday morning, it's it's it's time.

1053
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 3: For the for the.

1054
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 2: Action to happen. And the players go with that, are

1055
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: playing Friday morning, go out and warm up on the range,

1056
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: and you know, guys are nervous, really really nervous or

1057
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 2: hitting balls and not much as going on other than

1058
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 2: a little bit of small talk. And it's getting within

1059
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 2: about five or ten minutes of the first group going off,

1060
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 2: the first team, which I think was Tom Kite and

1061
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 2: Davis Love playing somebody, and this huge fog bank rolls

1062
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 2: in and just just choose up the entire golf course.

1063
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: Major fog delay. So they send the players to the

1064
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: locker rooms and they say, here's the deal. We're gonna

1065
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 2: wait for this fog to leave, but we're not going

1066
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 2: to give you another chance to warm up. When when

1067
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 2: when this fog leaves? Because of TV, we've got to

1068
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 2: get going. So we're gonna go straight from the locker

1069
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: room to the tee. So now you've got twelve guys

1070
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 2: or whoever's playing that morning in in the locker room

1071
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 2: and you know, this FOG's not going anywhere, and guys

1072
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 2: are you know, you're eating again, You're you're you're talking

1073
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: to your wife, you're you guys are pacing the you know.

1074
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 3: The floors.

1075
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: It's a really nerve racking time. And so Fred couples

1076
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 2: who's on the team. All the all the bags of

1077
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 2: the players were up against this wall near the the

1078
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 2: the locker room entrance. Fred's going through everybody's golf bag

1079
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: and checking out the it was latest in terms of

1080
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: their their equipment. He's, you know, making his way down

1081
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 2: down this still this list of golf bags and he

1082
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 2: gets the Davis Loves and he takes out Davis Loves

1083
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 2: eight iron and he waggles it and the head falls

1084
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 2: off the shaft and this thing's bouncing around on this

1085
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 2: marble floor. And every day there's this gasp in the

1086
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 2: team room and you know there's there's Fred just holding

1087
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 2: this shaft now that the club heads on the floor,

1088
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 2: and I swear to goodness, you know, thirty seconds later

1089
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: this guy comes in and said five minute call. FOG's

1090
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 2: leaving for love and kite. So Davis runs over, picks

1091
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 2: up his eight iron head, grabs a shaft and says

1092
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 2: to me, fix it. And this is back, you know,

1093
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: before you had, you know, tidlest trucks with with everything

1094
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 2: known to man on it where you could get something fixed.

1095
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: There's nothing. There's absolutely nothing. And he's given me this,

1096
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 2: this club to get fixed. And so you know, I'm

1097
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 2: in an absolute panic. I don't know what to do.

1098
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: I go to the pro shop. They say, we've got nothing.

1099
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what. If you cross that field

1100
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: over there, run across that field and then another field,

1101
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 2: you take a right at that cow kind of thing,

1102
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 2: there's a farmer there, and I guarantee you that guy's

1103
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 2: got a POxy. So I do what I'm told. I

1104
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 2: grab this this shaft and this clubhead and the shaft,

1105
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 2: and I'm running here and I'm running there and I

1106
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 2: see that the farm in the distance. And I get

1107
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 2: out to where this is and there's a very nice

1108
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: man there, and I say, do you happen to have

1109
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 2: any epoxy? And this guy's you know, got quite the

1110
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 2: garage and the barn going and this and that he goes,

1111
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: I certainly do. He epoxies the head and we get

1112
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: it fixed. I run back, you know, get out there.

1113
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 2: Davis and Tom Kid on the fourth or fifth hole.

1114
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 2: Give him this eight iron and off they go. So

1115
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 2: they play this match, the Ryder Cup goes on. It

1116
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: was an incredible Ryder Cup. The US was down, they

1117
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: were down and out, and John Cook and Chip Beck

1118
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 2: won a match against Fouldu and Montgomery. They weren't supposed

1119
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 2: to win. This kind of flip the script in the momentum,

1120
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: the entire Roder Cup in the US was coming back now,

1121
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: and so we get out there on Sunday and basically

1122
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 2: the Ryder Cup came down to one match, and it

1123
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 2: was Constantino Roca against Davis Love and the eighteenth hole

1124
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 2: of the Belfry of this incredibly difficult driving hole dog

1125
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: leg left over water and Davis Love to this day

1126
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: hit one of the gritst shots they've ever seen. Hit

1127
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: this three hundred yard three wood carried the water on

1128
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: the left out in the ferry, leaving just the short

1129
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 2: iron left into this green and he had to knock

1130
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 2: the short iron on the green two putt, and the

1131
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,959
Speaker 2: US was going to win the Ryder Cup. So I'm

1132
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 2: just watching from the side with all the players. He

1133
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 2: hits the short i on the green, it spins back

1134
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: off a ridge. He's got a two putt from forty

1135
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 2: feet leaves it six feet short, so he's got a

1136
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 2: six foot and now to win the Ryder Cup, which

1137
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 2: he makes, and you know, we all pour onto the

1138
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 2: green and I'm you know, not you know, I'm twenty

1139
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 2: six years old or something like that and very new

1140
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: to the business, and just the team Gopher and Davis

1141
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 2: came over to me and grabbed me and by my

1142
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 2: college and said that was your eight iron. I hit

1143
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: into the last hole and it just you know, you know,

1144
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: if I hadn't already fallen in love with the event

1145
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: at that point, I certainly did then in that moment.

1146
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 3: And uh, that was just a Ryder Cup story. I'll

1147
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 3: never forget.

1148
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: Did you have much of a of a of a

1149
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: club repair background when you're I know.

1150
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 3: I got I got nothing. I mean, I mean, so

1151
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 3: you just.

1152
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: Put the foxy in and jammed it in there in

1153
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: the barn.

1154
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you know I can buy the grip.

1155
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 2: You know, I can't what kind of grips day was

1156
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 2: head back in the day, but it was just an

1157
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: absolute mess. And this this farmer, if you will, for

1158
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,919
Speaker 2: lack of a better description, absolutely just saved the day.

1159
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: Uh little do you know what he did to this

1160
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: his home.

1161
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 3: Team exactly right, A good point.

1162
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that would happen at beth

1163
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: Page if if a European needed needed some help from

1164
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: a nearby runt.

1165
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 3: Go down to the local garage from the boxy. Not

1166
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 3: a chance, brother, We're you know, months out.

1167
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: Who would you give the edge to with with your

1168
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: knowledge of beth Page? Who would you? Is there is

1169
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: there a side that you would tilt the advantage to?

1170
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 3: Well?

1171
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: No, I think that both teams have a lot of

1172
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 2: length and uh to your point about the European side,

1173
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 2: you know, filling out very very nicely that I think

1174
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 2: they're they're in really good shape and I can't say

1175
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 2: enough for how much momentum you carry into a Ryder

1176
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 2: Cup as the defending champion, if you will. I think

1177
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 2: the Europeans are probably very happy with with where they stand,

1178
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 2: and I think the American team is getting stronger by

1179
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 2: the week. I'm fascinated by the whole Chris goddter Up situation. Yes,

1180
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 2: I think that's gonna be really really interesting to see

1181
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 2: how that plays out, especially considering the young man's from

1182
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 2: New Jersey and could be a complete folk hero that

1183
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: week should he make the team and ultimately, you know,

1184
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 2: do some damage. But I think this is this is

1185
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 2: lining up to be a very even heavyweight tilt.

1186
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: All right, Big thanks for Bones for joining the podcast.

1187
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 4: That was fun. We'll have to have them back on.

1188
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: It has been great.

1189
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 4: To get to know Bones over the last year.

1190
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: We did a video on our YouTube with Luke Colton,

1191
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: a potential Walker cover. Go check that out on our

1192
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: YouTube channel at PGA Frisco. But big thanks and Bones

1193
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: for coming on, and big thanks to PJ Clark for

1194
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: editing producing this podcast. We'll be back next week with

1195
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: a new episode of the Friday Golf Podcast.