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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A five year old little boy and his grandma visiting

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Speaker 2: both dead. Why, according to reports, because of a wrong

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Speaker 2: way drunk driver. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 2: and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all, take a

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Speaker 2: listen to our friends at KTLA.

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Speaker 3: A very heartbreaking story. We're talking about a little boy

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Speaker 3: around the age of five. He was riding in a

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Speaker 3: the hospital where he died. Now, the second victim, a

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Speaker 3: woman in her sixties, She also died. She was pronounced

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Speaker 3: dead here at the scene. Several people also injured and

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Speaker 3: taken to the hospital this morning. This was a crash

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Speaker 3: between two vehicles. It was around nine o'clock last night

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Speaker 3: and according to the report, one car, a white Honda Accord,

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Speaker 3: was going northbound and at some point, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 3: the white Honda crossed over to the southbound side and

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Speaker 3: collided with another car, a gray Honda Civic. The laped

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Speaker 3: telling us one car had two passengers. Both were taken

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Speaker 3: to the hospital of injuries and the driver said to

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Speaker 3: be in critical condition.

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Speaker 2: Quick question, I want to go out of an all

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Speaker 2: star panel to make sense of what we are learning

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Speaker 2: right now. To Patricia Rieira, California State Executive Director for

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Speaker 2: Mad Mothers Against Drunk Driving, Patricia, thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us. Quick statistic from you. When a person is

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Speaker 2: caught driving drunk, what is the estimated number of times

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Speaker 2: they have driven drunk but not gotten caught?

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Speaker 4: As you mentioned, usually when there is an individual who's

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Speaker 4: a drunk driver, that individual has driven over seventy times

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Speaker 4: prior they just haven't got can caught. And keep in

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Speaker 4: mind that here in California, thirty percent of all crashes

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Speaker 4: in California are alcohol related.

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Speaker 2: Whoa wait, wait, wait wait wait, yes, Patricia Rieira, Yes,

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Speaker 2: you got me drinking out of the fire hydrant here.

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Speaker 2: That's so much information, so quickly let me digest before

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Speaker 2: I get back to Little Elijah. Let me digest what

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Speaker 2: you're telling me. Guys, you are hearing the top cop.

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Speaker 2: Let me put it out of mad from California, California

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Speaker 2: State Executive director for Mothers Against Drunk Driving, one of

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Speaker 2: the most powerful forces against drunk driving in our nation.

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Speaker 2: I had in my head seventy four times yes that

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Speaker 2: a person I don't know where I got that number.

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Speaker 2: I must have said it so many times in the past.

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Speaker 2: When a person is caught driving drunk, they have estimated

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Speaker 2: driven drunk around seventy four times without getting caught.

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Speaker 4: That is correct, Okay.

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Speaker 2: I just had to absorb that statistic right there. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: then you said about thirty percent of what is due

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Speaker 2: to drunk driving.

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Speaker 4: Thirty percent of all crashes in California are alcohol related.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's terrible, Nancy.

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Speaker 4: California is the second highest state for fatalities behind Texas,

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Speaker 4: so we clearly have an issue with empairment in the

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Speaker 4: state of California.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's hard for so many people to take in. Patricia,

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Speaker 2: I almost want you to say those stats again. But

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Speaker 2: let me go to Karen Stark, renounced psychologists joining us

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Speaker 2: out of Manhattan. You can find her at Karenstark dot com.

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Speaker 2: Karen with a C. Karen, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: I want to say, seventy four times they've driven drunk

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Speaker 2: estimated average, and they're still doing it, knowing what kind

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Speaker 2: of disaster they leave behind in their wake, risking their jobs,

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Speaker 2: their families, their lives, other people's lives. Why do they

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Speaker 2: keep doing it. I mean, I'm just a trial lawyer.

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Speaker 2: You're the shrink. Help me out here.

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Speaker 5: I'm happy to help you out. Nancy. What a tragedy,

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Speaker 5: really terrible story.

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Speaker 2: Five years old? Do you remember the twins?

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Speaker 6: Of course you do when they were five, because I

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Speaker 6: would bring them into the studio and you would see

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Speaker 6: them and play with them. Five years old, just so

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Speaker 6: precious and so wonderful, little miracles presence from heaven for

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Speaker 6: us to raise. And this little boy Elijah and his grandma, well,

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Speaker 6: who's visiting him.

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Speaker 2: Dead because of a drunken driver. I mean, why risk everything,

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Speaker 2: Karen Stark?

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Speaker 5: Look at those pictures of in Nancy. He's just such

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Speaker 5: a vibrant, beautiful little boy. They risk everything because they

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Speaker 5: don't feel like they're risking everything. They're in denial. When

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Speaker 5: you're drinking, you're in an altered state. And people who

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Speaker 5: too drunk to drive, that they're perfectly fine. They know

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Speaker 5: so many times. Nothing stops them because they get away

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Speaker 5: with it each time, which reinforces that they can try again,

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Speaker 5: and denial is very powerful.

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Speaker 2: You know. I've heard people say, oh, I can handle it,

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Speaker 2: I can do it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand why they think that somehow they're different

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Speaker 2: from every other driver in the world that crashes and

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Speaker 2: kills guys. Take a listen to our friends at ABC seven.

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Speaker 7: The family was on their way to dinner here along

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Speaker 7: this dark stretch of Woodley when their lives were suddenly

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Speaker 7: ripped apart. Two innocent lives lost that suspect allegedly driving

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Speaker 7: under the influence. A heartbroken mother overcome with grief as

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Speaker 7: she describes the moment she saw her five year old

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Speaker 7: speeding suspect slammed into the car they were riding in.

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Speaker 2: I can't see my life without him. I can't save

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Speaker 2: my life without him. What more do we know about

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Speaker 2: that night? Listen?

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Speaker 8: The innocent five year old was in the car with

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Speaker 8: his grandmother, who was visiting from El Salvador, and his

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Speaker 8: stepsister and her boyfriend Thursday night when police at the

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Speaker 8: suspect suddenly veered into oncoming traffic, slamming head onto their car.

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Speaker 8: It happened on Woodley Avenue near Woodley Park in Van Eyes.

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Speaker 2: Hi load my life, my life gong with him. I'm

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Speaker 2: still asking to have you, heard the mom speaking earlier. Now,

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Speaker 2: the father, heartbroken and devastated. Listen to our friendly and suture.

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Speaker 8: The suspect who was critically injured in the crash, allegedly

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Speaker 8: driving under the influence. A GoFundMe has been set up

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Speaker 8: to help the grieving family. Always happy and full of energy,

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Speaker 8: the recent preschool graduate was the light of his family,

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Speaker 8: their joy and happiness. His parents struggling to comprehend the unimaginable.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel my heart, I feel empty.

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Speaker 2: I don't see my days without my song. It just

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Speaker 2: hurts me so much to hear that mother and father

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Speaker 2: talking about I don't see my life without him. You know,

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Speaker 2: sometimes David and i'm a been look at each other

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Speaker 2: and go, how did we think we were happy before

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Speaker 2: to have them. And that's how this family felt about

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Speaker 2: five year old Elijah joining me right now. Chief investigative

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Speaker 2: reporter from dailymail dot Com, Jen Smith jen on the

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Speaker 2: story from the very beginning. Of course, Jen, it's not

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Speaker 2: a story, it's real, real people devastated. What do we know, Jen,

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Speaker 2: about what happened?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right. This is not a

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Speaker 9: story that anyone wants to be telling. It as a

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Speaker 9: real life tragedy and so easily preventable. If we're going

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Speaker 9: with what we think had happened, which is that this

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Speaker 9: other driver was under the influence. So we know that

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Speaker 9: the family was on their way to dinner, and there

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Speaker 9: were two cars. Elijah was in the car in front

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Speaker 9: in the back seat with his grandmother Aura. Driving that

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Speaker 9: car was his stepsister and her boyfriend. Now his parents,

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Speaker 9: or at least his mother, were in the car behind him,

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Speaker 9: so they actually watched all of this unfold. If you

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Speaker 9: can believe that this other driver, somehow is driving southbound

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Speaker 9: out of nowhere, bears into the lane where Elijah and

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Speaker 9: his family are driving, smashes into their vehicle. Clearly, Elijah

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Speaker 9: were the most severely injured. They were thrown from the car,

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Speaker 9: as was the driver. So the boy's mother, who is

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Speaker 9: As her daughter, her son, and her mother are lying

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Speaker 9: don't know much about them. All we know is that

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Speaker 9: it's a man in his thirties. Was also severely injured

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Speaker 9: taken to the hospital. A very busy chaos sixteen Nancy.

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Speaker 9: This happened at around ninety am on June twenty ninth.

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Speaker 9: It was a Thursday night in this area. You know

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Speaker 9: it Vanalyzes, part of central Los Angeles. It is pretty busy,

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Speaker 9: but the road that this happened on was uncharacteristically quiet

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Speaker 9: and dark for this area. And it's also near a park.

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Speaker 9: not this is an area where accidents frequently happen, we

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Speaker 9: don't know. But we do know that something clearly potentially

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Speaker 9: alcohol or even drugs, has played a huge role in

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Not only allegedly driving drunk, but also veering into the

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Speaker 2: wrong lane. The shot of the mother and father looking

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Speaker 2: it's doubly upsetting because this family was doing everything right.

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Speaker 2: The little boy, Elijah was in the back seat like

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Speaker 2: you should have been stripped into a car seat like

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Speaker 2: he should have been beside his grandmother, no doubt, talking

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Speaker 2: When out of the blue, they're dead, just like that,

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Speaker 2: trying to go out for a family dinner, celebrating grandma visiting,

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Speaker 2: As a trial lawyer, we immediately begin to decipher what

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Speaker 2: exactly happened. Take a listen to any rose or Ramos KTLA.

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Speaker 10: The two car crash happened around nine pm. According to police,

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Speaker 10: a white twenty fourteen Honda was traveling north when, for

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Speaker 10: unknown reasons, it went into the opposite lane, the southbound lane,

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Speaker 10: Honda Civic. Inside that gray Civic were four people and

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Speaker 2: From what we're understanding, Jen Smith. Jen is the chief

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Speaker 2: investigative reporter with dailymail dot Com. There were no other

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Speaker 2: road hazards, Like, it wasn't raining to the point you

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Speaker 2: couldn't see it wasn't raining at all. There were no

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Speaker 2: other hazards on the highway, nothing at all until the

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Speaker 2: drunk the allegedly drunk driver out of nowhere veer's over

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Speaker 2: into the victim's lane. Is that right, that is right?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, No other has that could have contributed to this

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Speaker 9: other than you know, driver error, Nancy. I mean, like

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Speaker 9: you say, we wasn't as if it was a wildly dangerous, wet, windy,

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Speaker 9: stormy night or anything like that. You know, clearly the

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Speaker 9: family felt like they were safe to be going out

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Speaker 9: for dinner in two cars. You know, there was a

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Speaker 9: few of them. There, nothing to suggest this sort of danger.

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Speaker 9: And you know, day we believe our a local family.

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Speaker 9: They knew this area pretty well. Obviously Grandma was visiting.

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Speaker 9: But as for the parents, they knew exadly what they

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Speaker 9: were doing, so they had no reason to believe that

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Speaker 2: Jason Jensen is joining us out of Salt Lake City,

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Speaker 2: private investigator, owner of Jensen Private Investigations and co founder

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Speaker 2: of Cold Case Coalition. You can find Jason at Jensen

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Speaker 2: Private Investigations dot com. Jason, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: I immediately go to the facts thinking that somehow, some

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Speaker 11: Thanks Fancy. What's interesting about this case is as traffic

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking through everything that Jason Jensen just told us,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. As you heard earlier

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Speaker 12: Well beyond I'm just as shocked by what I've heard

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Speaker 12: Joe Elijah was five years old. He just graduated pre K,

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Speaker 2: Tiffany, he says something that I didn't Well, you said

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Speaker 2: What do you mean by that? I thought the driver

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Speaker 2: you mean by peel off out of wear for what?

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Speaker 12: Park there that's often frequented by people that are drinking

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Speaker 12: That's correct, went three lanes plus the middle. However big

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute. You said it was a park

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Speaker 2: You said, this is a part where people drink and

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Speaker 12: Well, I'm just going there was an eyewitness who said

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Speaker 12: it's nine point thirty at night the park. Why is

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Speaker 2: Tiffany Fetter is with us giving us information from inside

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Speaker 2: I just I don't get it. It's like the people

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Speaker 5: Think of the state that they're in, Nancy, I mean

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Speaker 2: But I mean every time you take a drink, I

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Speaker 2: they're going to drive. They know that, they know they're

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Speaker 2: gonna drink and drive. That's the plan. Do you ever

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Ah, got drunk? Like that's what? Like you went to

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Speaker 2: Like what is that.

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Speaker 5: An acceptable thing to do in our society? Right to

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Speaker 5: that even where you're drinking, if they see somebody in

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Speaker 2: Let you go, I'm not sure they do. They let

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Speaker 2: irony to doctor Miniesha Pandy, chief forensic pathologist at Forensic

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Speaker 2: Pathologist LLC and Ohio. You can find doctor Pandy at

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Speaker 2: the Forensicpathologist dot com not necessarily true in this case,

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Speaker 2: doctor Pandy. But why is it that in so many cases,

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Speaker 2: from that, doctor Pandy. When your child is killed, there's

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Speaker 13: I agree, that's like the most devastating thing anyone has

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Speaker 13: So when they're hitting the other car, those guys have

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Speaker 2: Doctor Pani. I'm also wondering, it seems like this family

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Speaker 2: That the other thing. I just everything's got to be safe.

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Speaker 2: This is just so alien to me. But my point is,

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Speaker 13: So the problem here is the speed at which they

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Speaker 2: Time, Patricia, think about it. This guy de vere across

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Speaker 4: So there's a couple of things, Nancy, I would say

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Speaker 4: enforce tougher laws, specifically the all offender ignition interlock law.

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Speaker 4: I think that's the best we have right now.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, Hold on what you sound like you're a

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Speaker 4: What it's an all offender ignition interlock.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, all offender? I have to write everything down.

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Speaker 2: Ignition interlock? Yeah, okay, what is that?

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Speaker 4: That is a small device about the size of a

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Speaker 4: the other thing I'd say is technology. We believe that

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Speaker 4: November fifteenth, twenty twenty one, President Biden signed into law

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Speaker 4: the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, which included this is

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Speaker 4: and really getting to zero is going to take technology, advocacy,

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Speaker 4: because it takes everybody's involvement. Everybody needs to be involved.

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Speaker 4: Get involved with MAD by volunteering or donating to help

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Speaker 4: raise awareness and shape behaviors around drunk and DIREUGT driving.

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Speaker 4: And while MAD has been instrumental in helping to reduce

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Speaker 2: I want to follow up on something you just said, Patricia.

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Speaker 2: They all offender ignition interlock. What you said has been

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Speaker 2: passed in multiple states and DC that it can detect

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Speaker 2: when someone is DUI driving under the influence. And this

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Speaker 2: is how the ignition interlock works. It's my understanding that

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Speaker 2: the driver must blow into the device and that is

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Speaker 2: how it determines whether the driver has been drinking. Is

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Speaker 2: that right?

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Speaker 4: That is correct? That is correct. That individual has to

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Speaker 4: blow not just once, but multiple times when they're in

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Speaker 4: that vehicle to make sure that they stay sober while

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Speaker 4: they have this device installed on their vehicle. That is

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Speaker 4: the best technology that we have right now. We are

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Speaker 4: working on ways to get this as a law here

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Speaker 4: in California because clearly the statistics that I mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 4: at thirty percent of all crashes in California, we have

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Speaker 4: to do something.

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Speaker 2: Would that be on everybody's car or just someone that

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Speaker 2: had been arrested or had an alcohol problem before the.

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Speaker 4: Ignition near Locke. Would only be on individuals who we

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Speaker 4: have been arrested for tui. Okay, the technology that I

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Speaker 4: talked about that President Biden's signed it into law that

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Speaker 4: would be on all vehicles.

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace, you know.

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Speaker 2: To Jen Smith, the chief investigative reporter for dailymail dot com,

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Speaker 2: of course there are ways that people offenders would get

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Speaker 2: around it, just like they get around urine test by

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Speaker 2: having someone else t t in a cup. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's a million ways to get around it, but generally speaking,

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Speaker 2: so many criminals are well, they're just stupid and they

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Speaker 2: won't be able to think of a way around it

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Speaker 2: when they're three sheets to the wind. So it's a

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Speaker 2: wonderful proposition, that a wonderful idea that so far multiple

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Speaker 2: jurisdictions are enforcing, they are using it. I got a

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Speaker 2: question for you, Jen Smith. I heard Tiffany talking about

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Speaker 2: this park where the defendant was seen drinking and using

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Speaker 2: pot before the crash. And I never say accident, because

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Speaker 2: it's no accident.

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Speaker 11: Jen.

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Speaker 2: When someone drinks and drinks and drinks one drink after

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Speaker 2: the next, each one a willing event. Then getting the keys,

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Speaker 2: walking to the car, getting into the car, turning in

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Speaker 2: the ignition, putting in reverse, and then drive. All of

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Speaker 2: those are willful acts, no accident. What do we know

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Speaker 2: regarding or do we know what the blood alcohol was

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Speaker 2: on the alleged drunk driver to.

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Speaker 9: Come out as part of the investigation right now? See,

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Speaker 9: so far, there is very little that we actually know

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Speaker 9: about this driver and what they were up to before

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Speaker 9: they got behind the wheel of their Honda Accord and

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Speaker 9: made this fatal decision to set off again. It's all

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Speaker 9: going to play out and that's going to be the

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Speaker 9: basis of the criminal investigation.

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Speaker 2: So we don't know yet. That's what I'm taking We

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Speaker 2: do not know yet. Jen. I'm looking at your article

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Speaker 2: in Daily Mail. It's a photo from KABC. It's an

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Speaker 2: aerial photo. I'm not quite sure how they got it.

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Speaker 2: It's just above the tree line and it shows the

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Speaker 2: white vehicle that the perp was driving and correct me

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Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, Jens Smith and Tiffany Fetter, and then

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Speaker 2: the black vehicle. It's the cars are completely mangled and

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Speaker 2: a lot of it looks like fire. People are hovered

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Speaker 2: over a body covered with a sheet line the road

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Speaker 2: and I think that is the grandma and it's such

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Speaker 2: an upsetting scene when you compare that too little Yeshua

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Speaker 2: Elijah standing there in another photo being hugged on by

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Speaker 2: his grandma, Tiffany Fetter. Any idea what the perp blood

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Speaker 2: alcohol content was? I believe in California legal limit is

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Speaker 2: point zero eight.

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Speaker 12: That's correct. I don't know what it is. I just

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Speaker 12: wanted to include though, I'm so baffled by these statistics

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Speaker 12: and the thirty percent alcohol related accidents in California. Why

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Speaker 12: aren't we having these interlock devices installed for every vehicle

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Speaker 12: in California, even though the cost is very high. When

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Speaker 12: do we value human life more.

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Speaker 2: Than the unfettered right to travel by a known driver. Guys,

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Speaker 2: we're looking into more of what happened that night. Why

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Speaker 2: was grandma out at nine o'clock with the little boy?

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Speaker 2: To start with? Take a listen to any Rose Rimos.

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Speaker 10: We are now hearing from the family for the first

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Speaker 10: time sharing about those two victims. They're two loved ones

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Speaker 10: who lost their life in that crash. They're also telling

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Speaker 10: us more details about what happened. We understand that the

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Speaker 10: family was on their way to dinner on that tragic night,

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Speaker 10: that is when a car driving in the wrong direction

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Speaker 10: came out of nowhere and hit them head on.

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Speaker 2: So the family was out having a celebration dinner because

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Speaker 2: Grandma was in from out of the country to visit Grandma,

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Speaker 2: and yes, your Elijah in the back seat, no question,

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Speaker 2: talking and laughing. She's probably hearing about his graduation from

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Speaker 2: pre K, catching up on everything that she had missed,

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Speaker 2: and then this going out to and more. Take a

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Speaker 2: listen to KTLA.

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Speaker 10: The attorney representing this family says she believes that the

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Speaker 10: driver who hit them was under the influence. At this time,

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Speaker 10: we checked in with the police, who say this is

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Speaker 10: all under investigation. The only thing they're telling us is

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Speaker 10: that the driver was a man in his thirties, but

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Speaker 10: they say no arrests have been made in connection with

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Speaker 10: this case at this time.

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Speaker 2: It's by far not the first time a drunk driver

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Speaker 2: has veered into oncoming traffic and killed. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if the name Diane Schuller rings the bell, but I

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Speaker 2: will never forget it. Take a listen to our friends

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Speaker 2: at today.

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Speaker 14: Brian Schuler was only five when his mother, sister, and

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Speaker 14: cousins were all killed in a violent crash Brian was

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Speaker 14: the lone survivor.

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Speaker 15: He came home from rehab and I started spending my

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Speaker 15: days with him. The stories and never changed, never ever changed. Mommy,

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Speaker 15: I'd heard, she couldn't say.

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Speaker 14: Mommy was Diane Schuler. She drove the family minivan the

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Speaker 14: wrong way on New York's Taconic Parkway, slamming into an suv,

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Speaker 14: killing all three inside the suv headed to their own

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Speaker 14: family dinner.

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Speaker 2: Amazingly similar to the case in chief that we are

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Speaker 2: analyzing today and more from today, Diane and.

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Speaker 14: Her daughter were killed along with all her brother's kids,

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Speaker 14: three young sisters.

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Speaker 9: The kid's not moving. Yeah, there's a whole bunch of kids.

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Speaker 12: Honestly.

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Speaker 14: The car smashed just moments before the accident.

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Speaker 2: One of the kids called home worried.

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Speaker 15: I'm saying Aunt Diane can't say, and Diane can't something's

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Speaker 15: wrong with Aunt Diane.

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Speaker 14: To psychology, reports showed Diane Schuler was high on drugs

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Speaker 14: and drunk behind the wheel, more than double the legal limit.

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Speaker 2: Mommy's head hurt, yeah, because she was drunk and high.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, she had the equivalent of

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Speaker 2: ten drinks, elevating her blood alcohol to two and a

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Speaker 2: half times the legal limit. Investigators recovered a broken one

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Speaker 2: point seventy five Leader bottle of vodka. Okay to Tiffany

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Speaker 2: Fetter joining us, not only a family friend of Yeshua

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Speaker 2: Elijah's family, but very well known lawyer. The reality here is,

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Speaker 2: with the one point seventy five Leader bottle of vodka

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Speaker 2: found on that scene, we have enough extrinsic evidence to

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Speaker 2: prove Schuler was drunk driving. In this case, we have

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Speaker 2: an eyewitness stating they observed the driver drinking and drinking

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Speaker 2: and drinking over a period of time at this part

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Speaker 2: and smoking pot. So even if a blood alcohol was

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Speaker 2: not taken, which I believe that it was, but we

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Speaker 2: don't know that yet, can still be proved that he

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Speaker 2: was a drunk driver from extensic evidence without the blood alcohol.

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Speaker 2: Would you agree or disagree?

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Speaker 12: I agree absolutely, And I think that there's no he's

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Speaker 12: in He's in the hospital. There's no way there's not

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Speaker 12: a blood alcohol reading already.

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Speaker 2: No way there's not a BAC too, Doctor Manisha Pandy,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Panny, again, thank you for being with us chief

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Speaker 2: forensic pathologist at Forensic Pathologists in Ohio. Doctor Pandy, you

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Speaker 2: have performed literally hundreds and hundreds of autopsies. How many

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Speaker 2: autopsies would you say you performed as a result of

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Speaker 2: drunk driving?

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Speaker 13: Oh goodness, I've performed like at least a thousands.

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Speaker 2: I just wonder. I wonder, Tiffany, you were hearing Patricia

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Speaker 2: Rieira talking about possible solutions to drunk driving deaths. They're homicides.

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Speaker 2: They're not just deaths, they're homicide. You might as well

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Speaker 2: take a gun and point it at this five year

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Speaker 2: old little boy and pull the trigger. When you hear

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Speaker 2: about all the possible solutions, do you ever wonder, as

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Speaker 2: you think about Yeshua Elijah, why they are not being implemented.

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Speaker 12: It's devastating in California with thirty percent of these accidents

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Speaker 12: happening because of drunk drivers. Why aren't we having these

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Speaker 12: devices installed in all vehicles? Why is this continuing to happen.

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Speaker 12: It's horrific. And they did they did everything right. He

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00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 12: was in his car seat, he had a seatbelt. The

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Speaker 12: impact was so strong that his heart was irreparably damaged.

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Speaker 2: Guys, they should be getting him ready for first grade.

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Speaker 2: Little Yeshua Elijah just graduated pre qu but instead this

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Speaker 2: is what's happening. Take a listen to our cut nine

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Speaker 2: from KTLA.

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Speaker 10: The family now releasing photo of the two of them

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Speaker 10: on a go fundme page where you see the seventy

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Speaker 10: four year old grandmother named Ara Orda de la Cruz Cow.

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Speaker 10: They were on the tobar with our arm around five

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Speaker 10: year old yes Shua Kodorva Tobar of Los Angeles, a

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Speaker 10: family friend creating this fundraiser page to help with not one,

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Speaker 10: but the two funerals they are now facing, planning.

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Speaker 2: Two funerals to be planned.

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Speaker 12: You know, this whole time we've been talking, I have

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Speaker 12: twins and they're friends with Yesua, and last time you

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Speaker 12: was here, they were playing on the trampoline and I've

614
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 12: been watching this trampoline the whole time. It's not real.

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Speaker 2: It's so sad.

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Speaker 12: I keep going over there and comforting them and just

617
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Speaker 12: trying to help them raise money because it's two funerals

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Speaker 12: and the family has limited funds, and I just keep

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Speaker 12: posting and posting and posting, and you know, any which

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Speaker 12: way to spread the word.

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Speaker 2: If you have information about this crash, this homicide, plase

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Speaker 2: call eight one eight three seven four ninety five hundred

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Speaker 2: repeat eight one eight three seven four nine five hundred.

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Speaker 4: I'd also like to extend MADS for free victim services.

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Speaker 4: We have free victim services. We love to help this family.

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Speaker 4: One of the services that we provide is exactly what

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Speaker 4: you guys are talking about. We actually can help them

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Speaker 4: with referrals for services, emotional support. There's a lot that

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Speaker 4: we can offer at no cost to them. We have

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Speaker 4: a Victim Service helpline and that number is one eight

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Speaker 4: seven seven MAD Help.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye, sir,