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Speaker 1: This Yes, kJ Live with Chris Johnson and Chris is

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Speaker 1: having conversations with influencers in the sports world and entertainment

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Speaker 1: in a strain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You're now cond

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Speaker 1: in kJ Live. Today's guest on the show is an

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Speaker 1: NBA agent and marketer for good Ones Sports. He's also

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Speaker 1: the co founder of Movie in Souls and one of

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Speaker 1: the most thoughtful and mindful twitters about the NBA that

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Speaker 1: you will ever come across. His name as Nate Jones.

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Speaker 1: Let's welcoming into the show something Nate, what's up? How

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Speaker 1: are you doing, k J. I'm doing great man, Happy

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Speaker 1: and honored to have you on the show. Brother. I

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Speaker 1: followed you on Twitter for thirteen years or something stupid

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Speaker 1: since since you're you remember the early days and Twitter,

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about how NBA Twitter has sort

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Speaker 1: of evolved over the years. Dude. First of all, Twitter

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Speaker 1: is just this whole life, this whole basketball life that

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Speaker 1: I've lad is surreal. Like people don't know I grew

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Speaker 1: I grew up in l A. But people don't know,

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Speaker 1: Like how big U c l A Basketball, Cringshaw basketball

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Speaker 1: was in l A coming up in the nineties, and

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Speaker 1: like this dude is was one of the dudes like

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Speaker 1: anyone that was younger was looking up to coming up

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Speaker 1: because he was in the paper. He was going to

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Speaker 1: u c l A. He's taking a shot of the

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Speaker 1: city championship. People don't know. They gotta get they gotta

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Speaker 1: give the O g s the ones that led it,

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Speaker 1: you know, for us, Um they're flowers, man, coming up.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in mid City, uh, you know, up

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Speaker 1: the street from Midtown Shopping Center, rolling Wills right and

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Speaker 1: on my on my street, there's a there's a cat

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Speaker 1: name Marlon Garnett. Come on, come on, all right, and

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Speaker 1: that's what got me heavy in the basketball right. So

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Speaker 1: it's just crazy to see that, Like every everyone that

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Speaker 1: I either looked up to or you know, younger than

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Speaker 1: me or coming up before whatever, it is like they're

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Speaker 1: all on this Twitter platform and we all kind of

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Speaker 1: interact with each other, like even like a guy like

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Speaker 1: Clarence Gains, like people that don't know who he is,

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Speaker 1: like everyone that is anyone in the basketball world, from

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Speaker 1: you know, in the league to marketing to college, high school.

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Speaker 1: There's kind of that community there. So I feel real

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Speaker 1: at home there. But the ear the early days were

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. It's just people were just people were just

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Speaker 1: having fun. Yeah, agenda, no agenda, and that you know,

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Speaker 1: then it became like, you know, they're obviously there's finances

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Speaker 1: attached to Twitter, and it's a platform for getting your

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Speaker 1: you know, content off and whatever goals you have going there.

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Speaker 1: And also I think it's just the way social media works.

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Speaker 1: We have you know, outrage culture where everybody is like

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Speaker 1: everyone's looking for something to be upset about and like

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Speaker 1: tweet a thread every day versus just like you know,

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Speaker 1: keeping it light, interacting with people and learning something. We

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Speaker 1: think people are so outraged today. I mean we you know,

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Speaker 1: we grew up in a time where obviously things were

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Speaker 1: sensitive and things were sensitive nature, but it seems like

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Speaker 1: things have increased. Nate, Why do you think that is?

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Speaker 1: Is it because we hear about it more? Has it?

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Speaker 1: Is it happening just as much as in the past

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Speaker 1: where we hear any about it more? Now? Well, I

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Speaker 1: just think it's like it starts with the way the

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Speaker 1: platforms are designed. You know, the engagement aspect of it.

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Speaker 1: You see how much is retweeted, you see the um

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Speaker 1: you know, engagement on likes, comments, all that stuff, Like

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Speaker 1: the big thing on Twitter now is oh, you got ratio,

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Speaker 1: Like everybody is like why do you like? Why does it?

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Speaker 1: I just think of the platform was never designed that

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Speaker 1: way where there were never any like that consumer facing

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Speaker 1: stats in terms of like what's happening with your content,

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Speaker 1: and people are incentive biased to kind of like get

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Speaker 1: lot different, a lot different when you look at the

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Speaker 1: NBA right now and the play in and excitement with

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Speaker 1: when Silver introduced it last year? I mean last year

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Speaker 1: complain about change, but changes is inevitable. The NBA now

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Speaker 1: look at the game, even even rules. Maybe we change

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Speaker 1: the way they the three pointer. Is that everybody now

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Speaker 1: that the corner three is like a lady, it's so easy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: gotta constantly evolve. Otherwise we would still have the same

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Speaker 1: game we had when Mike and those guys were playing. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: And we don't want to necessarily regress like that. Do

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Speaker 1: call it drastic, a drastic move, kind of like the

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Speaker 1: NFL did to protect quarterbacks. Do you remember when the

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Speaker 1: NFL kind of had that new rule and just you know,

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Speaker 1: the one year I was watching the NFL, everything changed.

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Speaker 1: I was like, they can't hit nobody no more, they

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Speaker 1: like he's like we saw it with Marcus Smart, Steph Curry,

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Speaker 1: NBA should penalize plays that injured players or take that out?

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Speaker 1: Was that too much of a fine? That's that's tough

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Speaker 1: because number one, how do you even judge that? Right? Right?

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Speaker 1: The intent of it onto, the intent of it all.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we're taught from the time we first

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Speaker 1: And if you don't, if you don't, and it's in practice,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna find you for that. And how rare are

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Speaker 1: these occurrences of someone getting hurt? Like that was just

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Speaker 1: is now that the I think the deals with protecting players, um,

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Speaker 1: going for jump shots. Now that's something I you know,

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Speaker 1: game is hard. I'm trying to figure out the best

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Speaker 1: that I see the different ways that I can exploit

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Speaker 1: people don't adjust, why is it my fault? I heard

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul explained that the other other day, the same thing.

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Speaker 1: He goes, how come all these other players can't study

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a ripped through foul. That's what

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Speaker 1: what's going on. You see it in all walks of life.

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Speaker 1: Every time something changes, someone figures out a loophole with it. Um.

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Speaker 1: be my bag, like I got the birth rights right like.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's just the way life is generally constantly

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Speaker 1: Like first when I heard it, you know about all

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Speaker 1: people sitting and this and that. This now incentivizes guys

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Speaker 1: and the funny the interesting thing about um, the play

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Speaker 1: And if you don't make the if you don't like

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Speaker 1: as well go for it, right, Um, pretty cool, right there? Right? So,

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Speaker 1: But if you if but I'm saying, if you're let's

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Speaker 1: well make the play in. Get inexperience of a one

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Speaker 1: most of media are pretty good. Um you know, sometimes

428
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Speaker 1: there's there's there uh reporters that are out of bounds,

429
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Speaker 1: and we all know who they are, right and players

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Speaker 1: know who they are and what it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: But I think throwing everybody under that bust and putting

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Speaker 1: everyone in that bucket is not fair. And then I

433
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Speaker 1: also think it's just a part of what I you know,

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Speaker 1: when I talk about the NBA family, I like, no

435
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Speaker 1: matter what role I'm in, I am pro NBA family, right,

436
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Speaker 1: So not just obviously I represent and work with players,

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Speaker 1: so I'm gonna be on their side. But if all

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Speaker 1: of us are only looking out for our own interests,

439
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 1: we don't have a league. So if players say all right,

440
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 1: we're done immedia, we don't want them around. Like whatever,

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00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: there's a negative, there's negative consequences to that. Like, um,

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00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, thinking about those things I think is important

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Speaker 1: and having an education of how everyone is important to

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Speaker 1: one another is a part of it. Right, like if

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Speaker 1: there's a mutual mutual respect understanding how everybody like at

446
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Speaker 1: the end, everyone likes to talk about them being partners

447
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Speaker 1: your media partners, the players and partners with owners like

448
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Speaker 1: all that stuff, but at the end of the day,

449
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: they're there if you're not treating each other as true

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Speaker 1: partners in these in this situation, you just look at

451
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Speaker 1: someone like like like like there's some kind of an

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Speaker 1: and that like why not to deal with this dude,

453
00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: like whatever, Like the behavior, the behavior is so unprofessed. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

454
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: So those those are things that I think that I

455
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: think people just have to consider it. Um yeah. But

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00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes it's and I'm not saying that

457
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: everybody has to be Michael Jordan's But what I like

458
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: about MJ is MJ realized what he was and what

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Speaker 1: he what his responsibility was when he was playing, and

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Speaker 1: then as um as he's retired now he's like, I'm

461
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Speaker 1: showing up, I'm flying in right before whatever I gotta

462
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Speaker 1: be too, I'm doing the minimum and I'm out of

463
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Speaker 1: there and back on the golf course. But while he

464
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Speaker 1: was playing, he's like, I'm in the face of the league,

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00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: and um, I'm gonna make sure that if anyone ever

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Speaker 1: runs into me, they haven't experienced that is of a

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Speaker 1: certain level. I'm gonna talk to media and treat them

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Speaker 1: with a certain respect, and you know all of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: And um, I think if if we started to have

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Speaker 1: if more players and teams and everything else had that

471
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Speaker 1: mentality versus just like we don't have to do that,

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Speaker 1: or we have the power to get away from this

473
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: or get out of this or whatever else, you know,

474
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: do I think the league would be better off for that.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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479
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Speaker 1: do you think of most best equipped to make the finals?

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00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: One team out the West is in one team on

481
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Speaker 1: the East, Um, you know the out the West. I

482
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Speaker 1: would say Phoenix is is to me is a well

483
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Speaker 1: oiled machine. Book is like it's it's so interesting seeing

484
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Speaker 1: Book and Chris Paul together. Um, because it's like Chris

485
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Speaker 1: Paul obviously we if you've been around him or or

486
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Speaker 1: um watched him, even if you're just watching him play,

487
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: you know he wants to win more than anybody. And

488
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: Book has that in him too, but people kind of

489
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Speaker 1: doubted it because of the team that he had around

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Speaker 1: him and and he's kind of been and holding that

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Speaker 1: in for years, and like, you know, he has a list.

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Speaker 1: He probably has a list, like and even if it's

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Speaker 1: not officially written down, like man, this person said this

494
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: about me or whatever else. And now he has a

495
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Speaker 1: squad and he's he's ready, like he's going for blood.

496
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Speaker 1: So um, I love seeing those two to play together.

497
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: And I also think about the Lakers had a trade

498
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Speaker 1: for Chris Paul, so you're gonna get see Kobe and

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul play together. And there was kind of some doubts,

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Speaker 1: you know, even in my own mind, like can these

501
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Speaker 1: guys can needs to get along? And they figure it out.

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00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: They're both headstrong individuals. But when I see Book and

503
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Speaker 1: not to say Book is on Kobe's level, but when

504
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Speaker 1: I see Booking and CP together, it's almost like we

505
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: got a little taste of that, right, like, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: two dogs, two competitors that you know in the game

507
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Speaker 1: was crunch time. They know how to get it done.

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00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: So it's been fun to watch that. And then out East, Um,

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Speaker 1: the East is a little tougher. I think if Robert

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Speaker 1: Williams didn't go down, I would have the Celtics coming

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Speaker 1: out of the East. Oh man, I mean if you want.

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00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: I think it's hard for people because you know, once

513
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: you get it's just like anything in life, once you

514
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: get branded, that's that's what people are gonna think of you. Right.

515
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: So the Celtics earlier in the year, obviously we're struggling.

516
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: People are saying, oh, he maybe maybe over his head,

517
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: maybe Jayson Tatum and and Jalen can't play together all

518
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: that stuff. They shook up the roster and they locked

519
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: in and defensively they are just based like what you know,

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00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: especially when Rob, when Rob Williams is healthy, they're just

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00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: they're switching everything. Nothing throws them off. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: Dallas ended up beating beating, uh, the Celtics and the

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00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: and the game the Celtics and MAVs played like a

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Speaker 1: few weeks ago. But Rob Williams was switching out on Luca,

525
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: like Lucas he's gonna still, he's still, he's gonna do

526
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: his thing because he does his thing versus everybody. But

527
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Speaker 1: like usually a center or a power forward coming out

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00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,959
Speaker 1: and switching on Luca is going to be like they

529
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Speaker 1: have zero shot like that type, that type of versatility.

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Speaker 1: And then I think having you know, high octane scores

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Speaker 1: and Jason and Jalen. Uh, Marcus Smarts found his home

532
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Speaker 1: as a point guard. I think he's um, you know,

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Speaker 1: uh like that's the position he probably should have been

534
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: playing the whole time versus just kind of being either

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Speaker 1: a backup point guard or a shooting guard next to

536
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Speaker 1: a point guard. Um, he's doing his thing. And uh,

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00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: I like I like the trade with getting Derek White. Um.

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00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: I like their squad a lot um and I think

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00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: they're you know, having Horford and Williams, that they're healthy

540
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Speaker 1: when they play and home court and when they play Milwaukee.

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00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: That's a good um. You know, that's a good package

542
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: to be able to try to go at you honest with. UM. Now,

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00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: if Williams isn't available, I don't know if they're stopping

544
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: like that's well, I don't know if anybody can stop,

545
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: be honest. But because you know brook back, you know,

546
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: that's that always changes the dynamic for the Bucks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just don't know how healthy Brooke is. That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm on. That's what I'm wondering about like coming back

549
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: from we saw it with surgery BAKA last year, Like yeah,

550
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: he like he wasn't. He wasn't the same after that

551
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: back surgery. So wondering how much book Brooke could could

552
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Speaker 1: provide because Brooke is people don't realize, like I think

553
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: they again, brand stick with you, Right, So when Brooke

554
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: first came to the league, you weren't thinking of him

555
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: as a defensive like player at all, not at all.

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00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: But you weren't and you weren't thinking of him as

557
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: a three point shooter not at all. Completely revamped his game.

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00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: That's what do you do. That's what he defended. Guy,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe it. Look Brooke when he was at Stanford,

560
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: I think they played at Stanford. Dude, I would have

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Speaker 1: never thought in a million years that Brooke. I think

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Speaker 1: he had a hundred threes last year some something insane

563
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: for something footer, but I would have never thought. But

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00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: that's just a testament to him figuring it out, figuring

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Speaker 1: out what was gonna make him stick and working on

566
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: that stuff. Man, breaking you know, breaking that foot a

567
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: few times that like I think that woke him up,

568
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: Like all right, I probably got to figure this out.

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00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: You know, if I'm stick in the league, I gotta

570
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: revamp my game. The the game is changing. This is

571
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: the probably a way to do it. And he's he's

572
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Speaker 1: skilled enough to pull it off. And then defensively, him

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Speaker 1: and Yannice together, Brooke is such a good uh anchor

574
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: that allows Joannice to be this ultimate romer where Yeah,

575
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: so see what we saw last year, especially in the finals,

576
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Speaker 1: when Yannest was able to do when he's a roamer.

577
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Speaker 1: You see it on the biggest stage. He's up there

578
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: and square on folks on that week side. You know

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Speaker 1: what I mean that exactly. So if you know, if

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Speaker 1: Robert Williams doesn't come back, I think I have. I

581
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: think I got Milwaukee coming out of the East. So

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Speaker 1: it really is going to depend on if Robert can

583
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Speaker 1: come back and and and really impact the game like

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Speaker 1: he was before he got hurt. Because that Celtics. I

585
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: dont think people realize how good the Celtics. I forget

586
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Speaker 1: where they were ranked like for the first half of

587
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Speaker 1: the year, but they weren't close to first, and they

588
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Speaker 1: finished first, like way above everybody else in defense, Like

589
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Speaker 1: that's how good their defense got. You think Philly hasn't

590
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Speaker 1: you don't think Philly has a chance at all? Or

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00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: what do you think going on out there? Man? Because

592
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: no one is really picking Philly at this point. Well,

593
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's very hard to put it

594
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: all together after a mid season trade to begin with

595
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: um and and also you know, wonder I don't think

596
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: James Harden has watched up like some people have been saying.

597
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: I think, if anything, I think he might be still

598
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: struggling with his hamstring injury. We kind of saw the

599
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: same thing happened with Chris Paul a few years back,

600
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: where people, you know, his last year in Houston, people

601
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: were like, I don't know, man, he might have he

602
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: lost the step, you don't have it anymore. And really,

603
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, he disclosed it like he just was dealing

604
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: with that hamstring injury that he first injured out in uh,

605
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: that he injured in Houston during the Western Commerce Finals

606
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: the year before. So like he comes back from that,

607
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: but he's not. You know, he hasn't changed. He hasn't

608
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: fully changed his diet, his workout routine, all that stuff.

609
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: So he had to reset everything, and you kind of

610
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: saw that new, new and improved Chris Paul for Oklahoma

611
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: City in the first two years in in UM in Phoenix,

612
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: and he's been like m DP level type player over

613
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: that time, like one of the best point guards in

614
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: the league over the last three years. And four years

615
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: ago people were saying he was washed. So I think

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00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: he might be. Hamstring is no jokes. I think I

617
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: think I think that, um, you might be seeing that,

618
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: which because you don't go from we saw James last

619
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Speaker 1: year when he first got to Brooklyn before the hamstring injury,

620
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: and he was explosive as hell, like he's still still

621
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Speaker 1: getting moving, get into the basket, doing his thing. He

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Speaker 1: had not you don't just go from that to struggling

623
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Speaker 1: with and we know he has a hamstring injury. So

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00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: I think that's a part of it. So I'm wondering

625
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: if you know, a summer where they're able to figure

626
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: out their whole roster around them UM and and give

627
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: James time to really put himself together, because it's hard

628
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: to like it's hard to re engage your body like

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Speaker 1: that mid season, you know, or in the middle of

630
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: the season, the playoffs all that stuff. So that's my

631
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: main concern with them is just you know, if if

632
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: James is able to and maybe he's just maybe he

633
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: was is coast and he's about to turn on the

634
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: switches about to turn on and we don't. It's not

635
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: a hamstring thing, and we'll we'll see it. But you know,

636
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Speaker 1: I don't think a player of his caliber just loses

637
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: a step like that or slows down like that within

638
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: a year just doesn't happen. There's something else going on.

639
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: So UM be interesting to see. But yeah, I think

640
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: I still have UM. I think they have, like the

641
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: tow two of the best players in the East. UM,

642
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: just like Brooklyn has two of the best players in

643
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: the East. But you gotta have a full team. I

644
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: don't know if they have the depth and the versatility

645
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: that UM both Milwaukee and and uh Boston have when

646
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: they're fully healthy. Yeah, the depth, the depth really stands up.

647
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: And then it's just that they don't. They just get

648
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: thin and and not a lot of contributions. But would

649
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: Joel and be playing probably gonna well, everybody's saying Yoki,

650
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: but he you know, he should have got some Maybe

651
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: people for sure you got yo Ki, you got dunk Chick.

652
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: Don't look at duncan not just name how far is

653
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: the gap widening between like the top players in the

654
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: league being international and like the next star that's born

655
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: in American soil, Like who is the next American player

656
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: that can unseen one of these three guys in your

657
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: opinion the book, I mean, who was like next coming

658
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: down the line that could be potentially in conversation for

659
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: the n B A man you us wise, like you

660
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: know you got you still look if step didn't if

661
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: step didn't go down, you still were gonna have like

662
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: Steph was gonna be in the mix. You know, I

663
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: always think like I always think by guy Dame's gonna

664
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: have a chance. Kauai is Kauai. If he's healthy, he's

665
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: gonna have a chance. Lebron the team situation is was

666
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: jacked up. But if he's help. But if the team

667
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: is healthy and Lebron has the year he has, he's

668
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: in the conversation. Um, I think, you know, Chris Paul

669
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: could should be getting m VP consideration tomorrow. The year

670
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: he had in Chicago before all the injuries went. You know,

671
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: he's he still consistently played the same way. But the

672
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: team starting to fall off because you know, their defensive

673
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 1: backbone fell apart right, Um, due to all those injuries happening,

674
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 1: but you know, he had a unbelievable year. Like there's

675
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: so there's a ton of US based players, but I

676
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: just think situationally, um and and also like the time

677
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: and time and uh years into their career, like Yokich

678
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: is a young player. Donchers is a young player too,

679
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: But I mean correlatively speaking, right, yea, Janice is Janice

680
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: is a young player to me, is the best player

681
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: in the league right now to me, if if people,

682
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: oh and obviously Kevin obviously Kevin durant Is is is

683
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: m VB candidate every year. But again, these guys have

684
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: to stay on the biggest issue, especially when you have

685
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: the miles on you, is staying on the floor and

686
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 1: your team being one of the you know, better teams

687
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: in the league. So I guess my point is kind

688
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,479
Speaker 1: of on the lines of your point about these guys

689
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: being so young they're VP level. They got like basically

690
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: the top three spots right there in the argument for

691
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: the top three spots year for the next ten, twelve,

692
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: fift He's like, who do who? Who do? Who's going

693
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: to see these dudes? Man Zion, Like what superstar I'm

694
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: trying to think of manage there another and I'm not

695
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: saying damn, but like a young younger girl young, well,

696
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: I think this. I think this crop that just came

697
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: in for the two thousand twenty one draft class of

698
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: special I think talent wise, Jalen Green is out of

699
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: this world. He just has he just has to figure

700
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: out how to play at the NBA level. But like,

701
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: talent wise, that is crazy. Um, Kate Cunningham is like

702
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: he's like a mini Dunchet in a lot of ways, right, so,

703
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: like he's gonna be He's gonna be good. It's and

704
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: it's kind of ironic that he's out in Detroit as

705
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: like that was like Grant Hill stopping grounds another like

706
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: point forward type. Um, so they're getting a new, smooth,

707
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: new version, you know, not nothing to like flashy or

708
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: whatever else. He just nice, just nice and knows how

709
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: to play the game. And he's he's he's obviously not

710
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: as big as Dontres dontress is. I saw do move

711
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: Drew how I don't think people realize how much of

712
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: a rock Drew Holiday is and he he just moved

713
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: through Holiday like it was nothing. I've always been amazed

714
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: that Donte's strength and size bro, Like how he just

715
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: able just he'll get when he was getting your shoulder,

716
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: Like the first couple of years he was doing this move,

717
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: he was just hitting dudes with the shoulder. But dudes

718
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: like whoa, you know what I'm saying and hitting you

719
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: with the step back. But that part of it is crazy. Man.

720
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: These guys don't real understand how strong NBA players are. Man. Yeah, man,

721
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: so you know Dontress is a big dude. But but um,

722
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: I think Kate has a lot of his game to him.

723
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: Evan Mobley, he hasn't even figured out offense yet. Like

724
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: he's just he's he's like that help defender type that

725
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: and you know to be a to be uh first

726
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: year player and have defense kind of figured out on

727
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: that help side and he's gonna be He's gonna be phenomenal. Um.

728
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: Scotty Barnes, Scott Barr, Scottie Barnes. You know what's interesting

729
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: about Scottie Barnes, He's got a lot of Scottie Pipp

730
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: into his He's got a lot of Scottie Pipp into him,

731
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: Like he could be that type of that type of

732
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: guy like a bit like so I love watching him

733
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 1: play basketball. That Toronto is actually pretty good. It's Philly.

734
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: Better not sleep on Toronto. They beat him. Hey, I

735
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: like to if any team's gonna upset anybody, I know,

736
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: I know the Nets. Everyone is expecting Nets ups maybe

737
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: you know, possibly uh beating this. Yeah, because they have

738
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: because they got kept. I mean I'm talking about like

739
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: the general audience, not like the real audience, because because

740
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: they have Kyrie, you can't ever doubt Kyrie and Katie

741
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: and those those guys are you know they can they

742
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: each can put up fifty anytime they want, right, Um,

743
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: But Toronto real deal. They just play modern basketball at

744
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: a high level. You know, tons of tons of length,

745
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: ability to switch has been Yako has been killing our

746
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: guy to Todd rappers are every time I shouted you

747
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: let him know. Right. But yeah, but but they kind

748
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: of doubted Sam coming into the year and he's he's

749
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: completely showed everybody that he's still a real deal. Scottie

750
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: Barnes doing his thing. It's crazy that they have. You know,

751
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: usually teams just want one player like that, that, that long,

752
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: versatile guy they could do multiple things, and they think

753
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: they got two of them, you know, like just very unique.

754
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: So they're they're fun to watch. Um, you know, Jalen

755
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: Sugs we didn't even get to really see, like he's

756
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: in Orlando, so he's kind of under the radar. I still,

757
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, I liked him coming in, so I'm interested

758
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: to see what he's going to be able to do.

759
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: What about trade? What about tred Oh you're talking about

760
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: ye trade? Yeah, I was just talking about this year's class.

761
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: But Trey Young is is fantastic. Um. You know, I'm

762
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: it's sometimes super tough with with guards that are as

763
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: small as him to like figure it out. But I

764
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: wonder how he does it. Like I'm always one of

765
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: those dudes that amazes me. Every game I've seen him,

766
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: he'll do something like damn, you really hit that? Like

767
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: every time. It's in him. You know, he's is his

768
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: dad you know, played Division one and worked with him

769
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: and you can tell he loves the game and he

770
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: just has a natural feel for it and it's in it. Man,

771
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: It's just like, what can you do? That's a high, high,

772
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: high skill level. He's he's taking advantage of mistakes and

773
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: he's been he's built for it. You've been preparing for

774
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: it his entire life, and that's that's what you're seeing.

775
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a there's a lot of you know,

776
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: Trey Young. The other thing about the m v P

777
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: two is, you know, guy like Trey Young, you think

778
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: about it. A lot of it has to do with

779
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: the situation that they're in though, right Like if Trey,

780
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 1: if Atlanta doesn't ever pick up or get a chance

781
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: to be a real championship competitor, competitor, it's gonna be

782
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: hard for Trey Young to win an m v P. Like,

783
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: you gotta be for the most part, you gotta be

784
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: in the mix unless you have like you know, you

785
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: have a season like yokich where like they don't have

786
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: any of their other like complimentary players star as whatever,

787
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: and he's just going crazy still and he's the main

788
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: reason they're winning. Um, it's gonna be hard for media, fans, etcetera.

789
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: To recognize you in that way. So I think that

790
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: that as much as the talent of the player, has

791
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: a lot to do with it. Um, how well you

792
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: agree with your kiss MVPN this year? Um, you know,

793
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: I I think that there are I think that there

794
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: are so many different avenues to go down, Like I

795
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: think if Yo kich One, I don't know how you

796
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: can argue against it. I don't um if inbid one,

797
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: I don't know how you could be like, well he

798
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't be m v P. Well yeah, he's put up

799
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: MVP numbers. Be honest, the team fined, they're in the

800
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: there in the third seed, and they had injuries the

801
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: key players throughout the year, and he still did his

802
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: thing like he to me, he's like modern day shack

803
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: um don Ch. Obviously, like they had a slow start

804
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: and we're figuring it out, but you know that pours

805
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: the end of the year, they had a chance that

806
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: they had a chance to get potentially get the third seed. Um. So,

807
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: I think you can go about in a variety of

808
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: different ways. But I think people because Yokich is not,

809
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 1: like he's not interested in any of the media, marketing,

810
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: any of that stuff. Like he's just low key a

811
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: hooper and trying to get and trying to get to

812
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: his horses in Serbia in the summer. You don't care

813
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: about none of this, um dog. So that's that's what

814
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: I call him. I call him Larry Joe Yoki because

815
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: to me, he plays like he People say that Don

816
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: Chech plays like bird and I'm like, that's lazy man.

817
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: He don't. To me, he doesn't. He doesn't play like

818
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: Bird like they have way more stuff than Bird. To me, yeah,

819
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: Donke is just off the bound though, like Bird. You

820
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: know Bird, I mean Bird had a little handle. But

821
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: when I see what I know of Lucan, when I

822
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: see Luca, I'm always seeing him on the pill bringing

823
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: it up and get some dudes, you know, having to

824
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: shake off the fenders. So that that's for Rakes, that

825
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: comparison to me, what are your thought though? Yeah, he

826
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: Luca plays like Luca plays like James Harden with the

827
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: up and under like you know what I'm saying, Like

828
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: they play the exact same way, except Luca. You look

829
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: what goes in the lane and it has the up

830
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: and under moves and all that, like he gives. He's

831
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: giving you that. James ain't doing that. James is like

832
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm euro step in or I'm I'm your euro stepping

833
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: going to the cup, or I'm doing a floater in

834
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: the lane. But that or throwing a lob like that's

835
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: that's his game. So um. But but lucas a lot

836
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: of the same stuff, except he's he's you know, he

837
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: gets in the lane, he's gonna give you a little

838
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: he's giving you the post move, he's giving the up

839
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 1: and under all that stuff. Um and then Yo kich

840
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: Yo kich is just like man, he's he's like playing

841
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: chess out there, man, And it's just he's a definitely

842
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: savant man. And and he has this move he does

843
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: where he's so interesting because um, Magic used to have

844
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: a go to pass that I would be like, damn,

845
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: how the hell does he do this? And and and

846
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: so Magic would come down like he like he was

847
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: he was going like free throw line extended, come down slow,

848
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he would throw like

849
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: two men are coming and throw the pass through two

850
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 1: people into the post perfectly. The worthier to to kareem

851
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: like lay up everything. Like I think people just look

852
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: at it like, oh, it's not that difficult. It's almost

853
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: like Lebron finding the corner, like turning the corner. He's

854
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: turning in the corner and he's finding a corner. Three

855
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: shooter open and your life. And I think the average

856
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: person is looking at that, Oh that he just made

857
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: like a simple pass and that's like unbelievable off off hand,

858
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 1: left handed pass, like there's nothing He's fighting the corner boom,

859
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: no problem. And then Yokich has this thing where he's

860
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: in the post and as soon as he sees the

861
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: double coming from the from the corner three, he's throwing

862
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: this unbelievable like the past, that only baseline, that only he,

863
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: that only he, that only he can make, the only

864
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: he can make, Like he's so fun to watch. Like honestly,

865
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: I wish I had a chance to market Ki because

866
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: I think I could do things that are figure out

867
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: ways to like tell his story and do funny stuff

868
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: um to get people interested in him. But like if

869
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: he like, let's put it this way, if he played

870
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: for the Lakers, people would be hyping the hell out

871
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: of him. If you play for the Lakers and Knicks, Celtics,

872
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: any of those teams, he would be getting hyped like

873
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: crazy beyond Like right now, I think people just think

874
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: he's like a hipster MVP vote or media m v

875
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: P vote and they don't realize how good he is,

876
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: like Brod's next level. I don't know if I've ever

877
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: seen like somebody like with his limited physical ability that

878
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: is so dang on effective, Like I just have not

879
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: seen that, like the way because you remember like I

880
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: think it's probably first or second year. I mean I

881
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: was looking at him like, dang, like he's a project.

882
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: I thought I thought it was a project, bro. But

883
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: but then all of a sudden, he hit an he

884
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: turned the corner, and he start getting more Burton. Then

885
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: he just start turning stuff out. He's a natural. Fox

886
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.

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890
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: we how we think about you know, how we think

891
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: about Lebron in terms of like I think people are like, man, Lebron, Like,

892
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: Lebron is not one of those drills guys where you're like,

893
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: oh yeah, he's like like Kobe, Like Kobe was very

894
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: much uh like I'm in the gym and I'm working

895
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: on these moves and He's got every every move, every counter,

896
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: every like whatever. And Lebron is like, obviously he works

897
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: on his game and continue to improve over his you

898
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: know now going into his twentieth year, but he's more

899
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: of a natural player. And Yokich is one of those

900
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: guys like he's like a great comparison. That's a great comparison.

901
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: Like he's he's a he is a natural like this,

902
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: It's just comes to him. He sees things when he

903
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: reads everything so freaking quick. That's what I noticed about him.

904
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: It's like before like the ball of being the air

905
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: on the post, He's already saw out the periphery. Dude

906
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: is coming. So when he touches his hand, he's like

907
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: already flipping it. I'm like, dag, yeah, it's it's it's

908
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: in that like I said that Larry Bird, that Larry

909
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: Bird magic h Lebron like natural feel for the game ability,

910
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: Like you see a guy like Yannice, like Janice worked

911
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: his way into being this, Like like obviously he's a

912
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: freaking nature athletically, but he had to he had to

913
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: develop his game like this dude, yo kitchen is like

914
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: he's had big, big soft hands and touch and and

915
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: peripheral vision and feel for the game. Like as soon

916
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 1: as he got on a basketball court, I think people

917
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: don't coming down just you just you just some people

918
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: just have it. Lebron was diving people up, like even

919
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: though he was a freaking nature in high school, people

920
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 1: are like, damn, how did he learn in the past

921
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: like that he didn't learn he's that's a natural. That's

922
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: a gift, that's a God given gift, is what it is, right,

923
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of that's kind of the way

924
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: I look at Yo. But I can't really take his

925
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: m vps away from him at all that because dude,

926
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: I watched I watched this. I watched the Blazers and

927
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: Nuggets like every single game during the playoffs last year,

928
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: And you know, I know Dame's mentality, you know, pretty

929
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: closely working with him and get you know, getting a

930
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: very good understanding. I already knew what he was coming

931
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: within that that pivotal Game five of that series, and

932
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, he dropped fifty like making crazy three is

933
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: doing Like he was like, this is this this game

934
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: is the series. So I'm putting it all on the

935
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: floor right now, Like if we lose this game, it's

936
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: gonna be very hard for us to win this series.

937
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm going for the kill. And that's what

938
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: he left out there. But what people people see Dame's

939
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: performance was unbelievable. But the reason they didn't win that

940
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: game is because they had zero answer for Yoki Zero,

941
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: like and I'm not just scoring, diving. He's doing everything

942
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: crazy threes, He's hitting, He's hitting threes. And the past

943
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: that I told you about the dagger for the game

944
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: was that past he hit somebody in the corner and

945
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: it was like like Covington was coming down for the

946
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: help and as soon as he saw coming to move

947
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: for a second he hit, he hit the corner and

948
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: it was that was it. Like, yeah, man, these playoffs

949
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: are gonna be live as heck man, all these matchups, dude,

950
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: I'm totally looking forward to it. Man. Yeah, I don't

951
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: really have a team either way. I want the Bucks

952
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: to win. I like the Bucks. I mean, yeah, I'm

953
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: forbish reasons you know, of course, Bro, I ain't rolling

954
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: with the Bucks. Okay, they were retiring my dad Jersey.

955
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: They flying this out there, rolling with the Bucks, Bro, Man,

956
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: I respected the last three family looked out. Huh yeah, man,

957
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: the whole crew over there. So it's like I'm rolling

958
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: with the Bucks. So that's kind of where I'm going.

959
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: But my man, Nate, I love chopping up the game

960
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: with your brother. But yeah, man, I want to talk

961
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: about you're the company you co founded, Movement Souls. Yes, sir,

962
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: the inspiration behind it. Talk about the copy. I want

963
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: to chop it up about that. It's crazy everything that's

964
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: everything that's good that's happened to me. Um, you know

965
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: that's good in my professional life has come from a

966
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: love of the game. I love basketball, and um you

967
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: know that interest, that intrigue, all of that has kind

968
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: of built my career. And a lot of my best

969
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: friendships and things like that have come from playing basketball

970
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: teammates all that stuff, camaraderie in in that space. And

971
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: this was born of the same thing I was I

972
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: was hoping. I had like I was dealing with like

973
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: a what do you call it, like a hip flex

974
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: or injury. So I didn't hoop for a while, and

975
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: then I got back to it, like, man, I'm about

976
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: to I'm about to be going hard, got new gym membership, everything,

977
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: and I would starting and play crazy. And then I

978
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: had like my like my feet were killing me, like

979
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: planet fasciitists, and it just kind of it kind of

980
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: how to you know, make a light bulb go off

981
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: in my head? And I started thinking about, wait a minute, Um,

982
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: you know, how do I remember when you know this

983
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: player had this issue and they you know, they were

984
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: fitted for like customer orthotics, so they found an over

985
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: the counter orthotic for them or in soul for them.

986
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: And you know, this is like generally, when I think

987
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: about it, most of the players in the league, we

988
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: don't wear their shoes out the box. They wear UM.

989
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: They have either customer slotics or like you know, some

990
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: kind of like premium in soul. And then when you

991
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: go down the line, um, you know, I would. I

992
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: never really was looking for it before, and I never

993
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: really thought about it for myself. But I'm like, man,

994
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 1: I've been playing ball in my whole life. No one's

995
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: really marketed like this type of product to me. Um.

996
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: And then I've been marketing to you know, the crowd

997
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: that's you know, influenced by these players for fourteen years now,

998
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: and I don't I've been in all kinds of footwear

999
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: meetings with brands and things of the nature, and the

1000
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: INSOL has not been on the on the the agenda

1001
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: for or the even the product roadmap for the consumer

1002
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: roadmap for how they interact a retail. So I was like, damn, man,

1003
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: like untapped, my unchartered. And then you know what's happening

1004
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: in business A lot is you know, do you have

1005
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: these boomer brands been around forever and they kind of

1006
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: have aged out with that boomer generation. Um. You know,

1007
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: you look at like in the market that I'm man.

1008
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: I don't consider them a competitor because they market the

1009
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: different people. But like Dr Schulz brand, it's the brand

1010
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: of record, uh, you know for my grandmother, my grandmother's generation,

1011
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, everybody, it's like and when you think when

1012
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: you think of Dr Schulz though, you know, obviously it's

1013
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: a hundred year old brand. It's old, sleepy distributed through

1014
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: CVS all that stuff. But UM Trim to Fit looks

1015
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: like a medical product. There's nothing aspirational about it at all,

1016
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, studying the whole global marketplace and understanding how

1017
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: professional athletes work. You know, some of my investors have

1018
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: worked with UM. You know, one of my investors used

1019
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: to do the Run the Mountain de Tour and he

1020
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: was telling me every single skateboarder, pro skateboarder has insuls

1021
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: and orthotics. Just the kids that that aspire to be

1022
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: like them have no idea. And then the same thing,

1023
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: you know, basketball, same thing, football, same thing, so like

1024
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: go across the go across the board, Tennis, same thing.

1025
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: So I see an opportunity to kind of come in

1026
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: as a new age brand that understands that consumer. UM

1027
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: bring a you know, great product to the market, not

1028
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: a superficial product. The products we've developed have been done

1029
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: in conjunction with the top UH pro Sports UH poietry

1030
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: firm out there, firm called Footcare Express out in Florida.

1031
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: Almost all the fellas that have customer orthotics, but they

1032
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: go exactly the teams. The team. They might not know

1033
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: they have them from there, but that's that's who's doing

1034
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: them for them. UM. So we built an over the

1035
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: counter product that you know, for the I would say

1036
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: for about eight of the population of athletes is gonna

1037
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: work UM for them. The sock liners that they put

1038
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 1: in shoes are completely inadequate. And when you think about

1039
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 1: athletes and the journeys that they're on now, even guys

1040
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: that don't really have a chance, you know, guys and

1041
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: girls that don't have a chance to make the pros

1042
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: or even Division one, they're still on these journeys where

1043
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: they're paying, they're playing all these hours starting at an

1044
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: earlier age. You know, you're playing more basketball than ever. Um.

1045
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: You know, even though they're indoors now and a lot

1046
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: of us were outdoors playing. They're playing way more. They're

1047
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: playing way more hours, way more games. They got trainers,

1048
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: they're doing all kinds of stuff, and you're seeing uh

1049
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 1: this preponderance of overuse injuries. Right, So, UM, the amount

1050
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: of time that they're playing is not going to change,

1051
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: but what could change is UH knowledge on how they

1052
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: prepare their body and how they protect their bodies. So

1053
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: our brand is all about that, and eventually we want

1054
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: to become Dr Schulz the generation Y and z UM

1055
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: so that includes like casual, We have a casual product

1056
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: eventually coming out. There's a whole deal. UM honestly have been.

1057
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: We we launched December one, UM, you know with with

1058
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: product and UM opened up our website. Director, I've totally

1059
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: been blown away by the response so far. I knew

1060
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: it was gonna be I knew we had you know,

1061
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: we have a long road ahead of us, but I

1062
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: did not expect us to have um the reaction that

1063
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: we've had to date. So it's been fun. I mean

1064
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: to the reaction I think has a lot to do

1065
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: with you know, it's it's a useful product that hasn't

1066
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: like we you have to go through a process to

1067
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: get authotics. I know you used to have to get

1068
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: the mold and it cost a ton of money. So

1069
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: for you guys to create this situation where you can

1070
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: like walk in and you get them quick and that

1071
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: whole situation, that that is just beautiful, That it is magnificent.

1072
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: And then something I don't know, I know you guys

1073
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: have thought about it, but something that I took from

1074
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: this as a former athlete is that the earlier you

1075
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: start wearing authotics and balance yourself out, all that you

1076
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about later down the line having

1077
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: that funny walk. I got the funny walking, now the

1078
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: funny hit walk with all the game. You don't have

1079
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: to worry about different issues with your back or you

1080
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: you won't have uh, those issues as much if you

1081
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: if you're balanced out these are athotics or in your

1082
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: life at an early age. Yeah, So that's that's what's

1083
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: so interesting. When you talked to the players and talked

1084
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: to most of the guys, they go, I didn't know

1085
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: anything about this. UM like we just did. Dame was

1086
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: just doing media from move like earlier this week with

1087
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: three different outlets. UM. Hopefully that stuff is gonna gonna

1088
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: drop soon. But he was. He was talking about like

1089
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: I didn't really think about this or no any of

1090
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: this stuff until like I got to a certain level

1091
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: and then I started to deal with particular injuries and

1092
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: then I had to start thinking about it. But because

1093
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: like I wish I would have known any of the guys,

1094
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: they all say the same thing. Chris Paul swears by

1095
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: swears by orthotics, right, and you know he's he's like,

1096
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: I wish I would have known this at an earlier age.

1097
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: And and someone like him who's probably more invested in

1098
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: the grassroots basketball than any like active player right now, Um,

1099
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: he's the perfect platform for him to like, you know,

1100
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: use the knowledge he has and bring it down to

1101
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: those kids that he influences. So yeah, that's that's that's

1102
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: really what we're trying to do is provide that that

1103
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: pro level knowledge and access and products that um, you know,

1104
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: uh could really help these younger athletes. But you know

1105
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the hard that's I think we're I

1106
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: think a lot of our business so far has been

1107
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of kids and younger athletes purchasing it,

1108
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: but the easier cell has been to people that are

1109
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: familiar with UM in Souls and orthotics, like they like

1110
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: our product because they think it's the best. They've try

1111
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: it and they love it and they rave about the

1112
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: reviews on our side are amazing. But the hard part

1113
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: is going to be getting those younger a younger generation

1114
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: to where like, we know you're familiar with made Hoops,

1115
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: which is really really interesting because chat chat is chat.

1116
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: That's my dude. It's so awesome to see because you

1117
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: you see all the former pros out there with their

1118
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: kids now, so like your guy Matt Barnes is out

1119
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: there with this Twins coaching up. So so like the

1120
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: Twins have move In Souls now because we we we

1121
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: did UM we did a partnership with Made Hoops where

1122
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: for their West Coast and East Coast championships may all

1123
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: the champs from each division pairs of insuls. So it

1124
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: was just awesome to see the kids interacting with them

1125
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: get the positive response. A lot of the kids ended

1126
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: up following us after like just all that. So that's

1127
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: the hard The hard work is going to be educating

1128
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: the parents and the kids around why they need the

1129
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: product and UM going forward that way, Well, I think

1130
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: you guys are doing doing it the right way. I

1131
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: mean you signed Jaded Williams, who's one of the top

1132
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: high school talents going to u C l A to

1133
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: n I L partnership. I believe she's she's endorsing it. Uh.

1134
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: You guys were at the Classic and Damien also, which

1135
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: is something that I noticed and this is just me

1136
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: seeing and it and I'm like, yeah, okay, Nick, Yeah,

1137
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: and then just all just all the dog on Hi selfish.

1138
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: You've got dudes taken and posted man testimonials real not

1139
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: like paid anything, real life. Yo. Man, my feet feel great.

1140
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm posting this tell by the way they're posting bro

1141
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: that people really love. Yeah. You know, it was so

1142
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: crazy so that I had somebody accused me of like

1143
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: not disclosing that was somewhere and I was like, bro,

1144
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: I didn't, I am not. I don't operate that way.

1145
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: So we had So there's a there's a cat named

1146
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: Dwayne Washington that went to Yeah, he went to Sierra

1147
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: Canyon in Ohio state and he's actually he just signed

1148
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: a full deal with He was on a two way

1149
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: but now he's got his full contract. He got the

1150
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: full Yeah. Yeah, this country signed right at the end

1151
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: of the athlete. Yeah, that's that's a real dope. But

1152
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: the interesting thing is Um during one of the guys

1153
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: that I um, you know, it's just it's just years

1154
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: and working. It's I'm kind of cashing in on um,

1155
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: my name, my reputation, my contacts, all of that within

1156
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: the basketball space. A trainer friend of mine that trains

1157
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: uh uh Dwayne named von Compton. Out in Phoenix, I

1158
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: was out shooting Chris paul Um for our brand shoot

1159
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: for for a Move, and Vaughan kind of helped us

1160
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: set up the gym that we use for for Chris

1161
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: um amazing home gym out in Scottsdale. The gentleman owns. Uh.

1162
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: Guy's name is Brett Hart, a big, big time huh. No, No,

1163
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: we were. We were making jokes about us, like the

1164
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: best best was, but yeah, no, it's it's it's he

1165
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: he's a uh he's made I don't want to say

1166
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: how much money he's made because I would be guessing,

1167
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: but I'm sure it's pretty substantially based on his house

1168
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. He uh made his fortune in

1169
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: staffing like staffing for State Farm, like State Farm and

1170
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But he's a big basketball fan and

1171
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: had this has this gym that Vaughan often uses the

1172
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: train players. So we shot Chris Paul there. I gave

1173
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: him all the all the uh uh crew, production crew,

1174
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: everybody there. I was giving them insuls to try out.

1175
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: I gave Von insuls for him to try out. He

1176
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: wears the same size as Dwayne. Dwayne comes to train

1177
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: with him during All Star break and goes, man, my

1178
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: feet are killing me. He's ad. Vaughan's like, oh man,

1179
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: I got something for you. I think you wear the

1180
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: same size, and he gives them to him and he

1181
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: Dwayne hits Vaughan like, yo, I'm like loving these whatever.

1182
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: I see a picture, h I'll I'll send it to you.

1183
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: But it's the picture of him walking to the bus

1184
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: and he's got a package our insults in his hands.

1185
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: So I posted that on Twitter and someone was like, man,

1186
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: why don't you disclose when you paying these dudes to

1187
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: do whatever? And I'm like, I did not pay this dude.

1188
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: He this was a completely organic thing. He's walking in

1189
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: with it because so what it is. You know, after

1190
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: the fact, I reached out to him, I sending more product,

1191
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: but I've never paid him. He's not one of my guys.

1192
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: It's just organic, you know, organic things. So just just

1193
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out, man, And I think we

1194
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: have a real potential to build something special. And it's

1195
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: been fun. Man. Yeah, I think the testimonials will go

1196
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: a long way for you guys. I mean, I think,

1197
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,919
Speaker 1: you know, really getting to like the grassroots, the high

1198
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: school kids. On the educational tip, Like, dude, I went

1199
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: like when I and I'm just gonna tell you, when

1200
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: I finally got some insuls in college, Bro, I started dunking,

1201
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: Like I went dunking before you know what I'm saying it,

1202
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: Like I went from not doune to being able to

1203
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: like two foot jump stock really but just doing stuff fast,

1204
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: getting back quicker, moving quick. I'm like, what the hell

1205
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: is going on? You have this revelation and you've been

1206
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: your body, You've been playing kind of off ballance your

1207
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: whole life. Yeah, you get these dog so yeah, but man,

1208
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited about that, man, And uh, I wish

1209
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: you the best with that, brother than you that's your

1210
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: You're one of the good guys in the industry. My man.

1211
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: You hear yourself at a very high level. Bro, You

1212
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: somebody respect and somebody that you know is gonna just

1213
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: be very, very successful whatever you do, man. And likewise,

1214
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: it's it's just it's just so interesting how like I said, man,

1215
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: stuff comes full circle. I used to watch obviously I

1216
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: watch you that uh the watch Crunshaw games. But I

1217
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: would read about in the paper and then I would

1218
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: see you at u c l A, watch you at

1219
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: u c l A watch games. Then people don't know

1220
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: about the men's gym. You didn't grow up in LA

1221
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: in the nineties, you don't know about the men's gym. Um.

1222
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: Obviously there's still NBA workouts and things like Rico Hynes hosts, right,

1223
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: but it's not the same as when it was open

1224
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: to everybody, and you know, you would come there on

1225
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,439
Speaker 1: a Saturday or or during the summertime, during the week,

1226
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: and on the court on the left side, it's just

1227
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: you know, random high school players or whoever was trying

1228
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: to get a run. The same thing on the court

1229
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,439
Speaker 1: far court, on the right side, the middle, middle court

1230
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: was we were all watching y'all with probably funny that

1231
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: was everybody that was on the U c l A team.

1232
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: And then you know former current pro so you you

1233
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: would get everybody from Reggie Theist to to Magic to uh,

1234
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: you know guys, and then Kobe and Kobe would be

1235
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: there with his two sisters. Hey with came through though.

1236
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: That's when it got it got ugly. Kobe came through

1237
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: use because he started off. He came first. He came

1238
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: to the Wooden Center. Yeah, and it kind of did

1239
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: work over there, you know, just just monstering us. And

1240
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: then he's like, moved it over to the Med's gym.

1241
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: They're like Christian because I didn't come the day he

1242
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: came the first day, like, man, you need to come

1243
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: play against Cobe. Man, this dude. So I finally get

1244
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,479
Speaker 1: down there, man, and so we're in the middle court.

1245
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: It's magic Kobe. I think it's like, uh, who else

1246
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: Don McClain, you know, you know, but I'm matched up

1247
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: against Kobe, so you know, play happens. Kobe tips dunks

1248
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: on me. My dad is actually in the gym, he said.

1249
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: Dad used to always be in the gym. Your dad

1250
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: used to be working out Josiah and then working out

1251
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, so my dad, my dad sees it.

1252
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: I look at my dad. I'm all embarrassed. He's like

1253
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: he looks at me like like you know, you're like,

1254
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: get into it with Kobe a man, du the next thing,

1255
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: I know, Magic gotta break it up. But it's just

1256
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: that just growing up in that man, being around that

1257
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: Nate and understanding you're watching you been just in that atmosphere, bro,

1258
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: because it's like it was like it was just it

1259
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: was surreal. Yeah, man, it's so so you know, the

1260
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: point I was trying to make is just like everybody had,

1261
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: Like you're a part of the influence on me as

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Speaker 1: a as a you know, basketball fan, basketball consumer, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, businessman in the basketball space. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your contribution to the game. I think not

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Speaker 1: enough people give all the people that have influenced them,

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Speaker 1: you know, credit. So it's great to see. It's great

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Speaker 1: to see your Daggett and his flowers. It's great to

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Speaker 1: see you getting your flowers. It's great to see Joe

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Speaker 1: popping off. Like everybody that I know in the basketball space,

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Speaker 1: I love seeing everybody win. So um yeah, man, it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's cool. But the Kobe thing, people don't realize

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Speaker 1: that Kobe used to roll in with his sisters. Man,

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Speaker 1: he's his sister seems to go everywhere with him, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: rolling in with his sisters. Man. So yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 1: uh because you forget he was really like he's literally

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Speaker 1: a kid old yeah man, so um but yeah man,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's been good knowing you over the years

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Speaker 1: and and wish you much success. And I appreciate the

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Speaker 1: platform to talk about all this stuff. And I'll call

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Speaker 1: on anytime you want. Oh man, I'm definitely gonna have

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Speaker 1: you back, my brother, you know, man, Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: Nate Jones