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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What

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Speaker 1: You Did. My name is Millie de Cherco. I'm Danielle

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Speaker 1: Henderson and we're just a little fill podcast. Daniell.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, just out here doing our best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a.

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Speaker 2: I had a fun errand this week.

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Speaker 1: Oh really care to elaborate I.

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Speaker 2: And this is something for you to look forward to.

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Speaker 3: When you turned forty five, I had to mail a

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Speaker 3: box in my own poop.

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Speaker 1: Okay with the minute you said forty five, I was like,

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Speaker 1: it's gotta be something dealing with like a colonoscopy thing.

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Speaker 1: Is that what it is? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Because I had my my annual physical and the

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Speaker 3: doctor ordered this test for me, and she talked about

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Speaker 3: it when we were doing When I was in the physical,

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Speaker 3: She's like, oh, here are all your options, but like

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Speaker 3: now that you're forty five, we had check that butthole

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Speaker 3: and I was like all right, like fine, And so

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Speaker 3: she gave you all these options and they all were like, oh,

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Speaker 3: you could do a colonoscopede, or you could do this,

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Speaker 3: you could do that, And I chose the the cola

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Speaker 3: guard option, which is like you poop in a bucket

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Speaker 3: at your house and mail it to some unfortunate lab.

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Speaker 2: Who just gets boxes a shit in the mail.

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Speaker 1: All the time. They're like waiting and ready for it

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Speaker 1: in a bucket, an actual bucket or.

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Speaker 2: Is it like a little No, it's a bucket.

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Speaker 3: So they have this whole contraption that you like, it's

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Speaker 3: actually pretty easy, but it's like this whole contraption that

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Speaker 3: you lay out like this thing on the seat of

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Speaker 3: the toilet, and then you put the bucket in the

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Speaker 3: hole so that it lines up, and then you poop

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Speaker 3: in the bucket, and then you have then you do

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Speaker 3: have to take like a stick like a swab and

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Speaker 3: scrape it over the poop. What oh now, and then

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Speaker 3: you put this the swab back together, and then you

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Speaker 3: poured all this liquid in with the poop and then

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Speaker 3: and they send it all of it in the same box.

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Speaker 3: So it's like very guess free easy. But like then

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Speaker 3: in the box that came in, and then you send

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Speaker 3: your poop. So I had to go. I had to

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Speaker 3: send it via UPS, and so I sent it. I

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Speaker 3: went to the UPS store in the town that has

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Speaker 3: because we don't have UPS here. So I went to

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Speaker 3: the store and I walked in and it was like

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Speaker 1: Oh boy.

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Speaker 3: The guy at the counter saw me come in with

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Speaker 3: he goes, I can't take that because that's a human specimen.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, you know what solid Because if

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Speaker 3: gotta quit.

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Speaker 2: I don't get paid enough for this shit. So I

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Speaker 2: should have known.

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Speaker 3: But then he directed me to a UPS store that

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Speaker 3: would take it, like a drop off points store, like

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Speaker 3: it actually not inside of another store that would take it.

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Speaker 2: So then I walked in.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, Hi, here's my poop. And they were like, yep,

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Speaker 3: we'll just scan it and send it. And it was

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Speaker 3: just like but it was a disaster. It was like

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Speaker 3: knowing you have to.

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Speaker 2: Poop makes me It makes it hard for me to poop.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I can't eat like any medical thing where I'm like

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Speaker 3: I have to do this. It makes it so hard

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Speaker 3: so I can't eat for twelve hours. And I'm like,

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Speaker 3: this is impossible. I don't know how people like, It's

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Speaker 3: just it's impossible. So it was just a real long

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Speaker 3: dark night of the soul of the soul with me

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Speaker 3: trying to poop and col Of Guard's fucking on it.

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Speaker 2: Coli Guard Well was texting me and calling me and

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Speaker 2: they're like, have you pooped yet? Have you pooped yet?

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Speaker 2: Have you pooped to that bucket yet? And I'm like,

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Speaker 2: God damn, give me a minute.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, first of all, nobody can see me right now,

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Speaker 1: but the faces that I've been making since you began

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Speaker 1: like I'm just my my whole my eyebrowser up, my

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Speaker 1: I got so many points to go over with you.

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Speaker 2: Bring them on.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm here to shepherd anyone and you or any

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Speaker 3: mailing it through the process because it was the first

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, so number one, did we talk about this

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Speaker 1: about how now colonoscopies happened at forty five set of fifty. Yep,

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Speaker 1: so that's across the board, I believe, because that's what

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Speaker 1: they told me too. And I was like, well, what

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Speaker 1: is the reason for that?

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Speaker 2: I wonder.

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Speaker 3: I think they're trying to catch it, catch earlier signs

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Speaker 3: of like colon cancer and things like that. So I

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Speaker 3: believe it's it's you know, it's part of your preventive

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Speaker 2: You have a problem that we have to address well.

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Speaker 1: And like, I'm so fascinated by these like tests things,

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Speaker 1: because so sometimes this stuff can work in your favor. Like, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you example. You know, I just went to

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Speaker 1: get all my yearly stuff done. Remember I needed to

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Speaker 1: get a PAP, but I didn't want to go to

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Speaker 1: in his practice, which is what happened. And they were like,

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Speaker 1: if you get the all clear, you don't have to

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Speaker 1: come back for five years. And I was like, it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because it used to be like two where they're like, okay,

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Speaker 3: come back every year, come back every two years.

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Speaker 2: Now it's five years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So it was like it used to be two

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Speaker 1: mean to me, I wasn't sure how to take that.

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Speaker 1: I was like, is it because it's like this trap

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Speaker 1: We don't got to get in there.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that's what it is, because especially if

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Speaker 3: you don't have any genetic markers where they're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: like this run in your families, so we should check

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Speaker 3: on it. Because the minute I told my gynecologists that

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Speaker 3: like I don't bone, she was like, why are we

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Speaker 2: Why am I doing any of these tests?

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Speaker 3: And the doctor who did my physical said the same

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Speaker 2: Well check for STI blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, I was like, oh, yeah, like

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Speaker 3: I you know, I don't have sex, but you can

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Speaker 3: do that. And she's like what do you mean? And

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Speaker 3: I told her and she was like she just literally

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Speaker 1: And I'm like yeah.

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Speaker 3: She's like, so the last time you had sex and

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Speaker 3: want to just do that again. And I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: pretty much that's my life for the last ten years.

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Speaker 3: It's like, just test the blood. You got it, Test

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Speaker 1: It's like somebody coming out and doing the like AC

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Speaker 1: you're not running it, you're not running the unit, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: to make sure that there's no like dead rodents in

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Speaker 3: And also, like you know, when it comes to pap

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Speaker 1: Totally, oh totally.

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, yeah, I'm coming in and checking it out.

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Speaker 3: Stop making fun of me, dudes, Like everyone makes fun

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Speaker 3: of me when I try to do maintenance. My fucking

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Speaker 3: mechanic is always like, you never drive this car. This

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Speaker 2: What are you doing?

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, I have to, you have you have

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Speaker 3: to get a checked every six months. Stop fucking making

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're doing the right thing. And anybody who's

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Speaker 1: going to make fun of you for, you know, doing

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Speaker 1: the preventative stuff is a too cool asshole. Everybody. Everybody

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Speaker 1: knows that the cool, the actual cool people, you know,

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Speaker 1: get their oil changes when they're supposed to.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, So I say, you know, I see

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Speaker 1: go back to this colonoscopy thing. Okay, so now you

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Speaker 1: I right in hearing you say that you get to

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Speaker 3: So as long as there's no again, like no genetic

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Speaker 3: if that's the case. Then they're like, they give you

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Speaker 3: anything up, like, we'll do a colonoscopy. You could poop

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Speaker 3: just do a colonoscopy, And I'm like, well, let me

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Speaker 3: just go right down the middle and choose pooping in

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Speaker 3: a box. I feel like that's a little more medical,

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Speaker 3: like they're checking the actual poop and not the blood.

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Speaker 3: But it's not like microscope up the butt and a

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: I've taken several friends to their colonoscopy appointments and they

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Speaker 3: always wake up farting and laughing, and I'm like, it

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Speaker 3: seems dope on the other end, but like the prep

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Speaker 3: for it is not my jam at all.

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Speaker 1: So okay, so you went for the poop box option.

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Speaker 1: See here's my thing about a poop sample. I so

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Speaker 1: a long time ago, like I think I was probably

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Speaker 1: still in college. I applied for this job that required

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Speaker 1: a stool sample, and I think it was like I

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Speaker 1: was trying to figure out in what for, like what purpose,

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Speaker 1: Like it was it was a food service job, okay,

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Speaker 1: so maybe what they wanted to check to make sure

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Speaker 1: he didn't have like intestinal worms, So like I don't

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Speaker 1: know what it was for when.

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Speaker 2: You're shitting in the food like with them we'll be

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Speaker 1: It was or you were working with like organics. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but all I know is the minute they

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Speaker 1: said please give a stool sample. I never went back,

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Speaker 1: Like I filled out the paper application and they were like,

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Speaker 1: here's the instructions on how to give a stool sample.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not, because you're that is not a common medical

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Speaker 1: I mean, the worst case scenario up until that point

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Speaker 3: You know, my brother is like the least scientific person

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Speaker 3: a like fucking mcguiver. He's like, all right, so you

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Speaker 1: Okay, golden seal? Okay, this was I swear to god.

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Speaker 1: I have only heard of this thing. Yes, I only

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Speaker 1: Okay, I I just googled it because I was like,

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Speaker 3: Fucking one stop shop, Get your weed, get your pipe,

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Speaker 3: get your fucking golden seal, get your your clear eyes

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's like all of your all of your weed

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Like, oh my god, people just drowning

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Speaker 3: Like you see people walking around with a gallon of

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, you don't know how the body works,

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Speaker 2: If they pull that hair, you're fucked because I just

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Speaker 1: The hair get met. Because if you were lucky even

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Speaker 1: this guy, I think he's good. He didn't smoke in

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Speaker 1: But like if they took a hair sample, that was

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Speaker 2: Fuck dude.

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Speaker 3: People turn into straight up scientists, and it cracks me

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Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I'm not, just because my friends would

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, one, you're a dude, and I'm a woman.

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Speaker 3: I don't know much about science, but there's gotta be

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Speaker 3: like the key tones are hot. I don't know how

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Speaker 3: gonna work. And also no, like deal with your fucking

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Speaker 1: Well, and like they actually still give P tests when

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Speaker 1: then our friend, our friend Chalewo, was like, no, it's

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Speaker 3: My case, as my doctor told me, they could tell

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Speaker 3: if you're dehydrated. They can tell all kinds of shit

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Speaker 3: you want to play with some golden seal, Why don't

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Speaker 3: you shit in this box.

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Speaker 2: And fucking drag a stick through it, you idiot?

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Speaker 1: So that I guess that leads to my final observation

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Speaker 1: slash question about this color Guard thing, which is that

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Speaker 1: you're so right, it is not fair to make people

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Speaker 2: That is not fair. It's not okay. It's not okay.

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Speaker 3: And even when I brought it to the UPS drop

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Speaker 3: like I shit on the outside of the box, like

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Speaker 2: I just can't. And it was like because of the

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Speaker 3: Hear the liquid, and I'm like, no, this is this

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Speaker 2: I don't care how much you're making. You're not making

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Speaker 1: I don't care if you handed it to me with gloves.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, it has been around a poopy thing.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, so I don't want to touch it. I didn't

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Speaker 3: And also I gotta say water goes a long way.

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Speaker 2: There's no hiding from it. You're like, Yep, that is shit.

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Speaker 1: fascinating human poop though, is just a little bit more

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Speaker 2: From this point forward, I'm going colonoscopy.

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Speaker 3: Really really, I mean, it was easy and fun and

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Speaker 3: Like this bucket's pretty big. I could feel this. I

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Speaker 1: Well, and it would just make me incredibly self conscious

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting here going like, well, I know I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: So how do I game this to make it the

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Speaker 1: That's too much.

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Speaker 2: It is too much. It is too much. And let

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Speaker 3: They also say it's okay for you to get a

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Speaker 3: Like you can't help it, There's no way around it.

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Speaker 3: So if you're peeing, you're peeing in that fucking bucket.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, go again, how much is a little? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I gotta say, I don't like this self service shit.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say it. I'm like, this is like I

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Speaker 1: Like I don't want to do this stuff myself, Like

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Speaker 2: It's too much.

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Speaker 3: I know, I'm not I'm not doing it at home hysterectomy.

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Speaker 3: Come on, like, oh, why don't you do this tubal ligation.

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Speaker 3: We've got a fucking soldering iron and a goddamn mirror.

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Speaker 2: It's like, what the fuck? Man, I don't want to

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Speaker 3: I know I'm going kolonoscar because I want I want

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I got I. Anytime I've had to

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Speaker 1: colonoscopy suck. It's it is an all day thing, but

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Speaker 1: at least it's not you handling your own poop, right,

439
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 1: Strangers having to clock in to handle your poop like

440
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Speaker 1: I just did. The whole process is bad. I don't

441
00:20:58,960 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 1: Is that just me?

442
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 3: No? I think again, it's a nice option, especially if

443
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 3: it's like this is the only way that some people

444
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 3: are going to get this done or like this is

445
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 3: you know, like if it's I don't think it's covered.

446
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 3: I don't even if it's covered by insurance. But it's like,

447
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 3: all right, if this is what people have to get

448
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 3: it done, I understand now, Like I think sure options

449
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 3: are fine, I personally am not taking that option.

450
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 2: Again, I ain't doing it.

451
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 3: And I had a friend who had to have a

452
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 3: Kolonosky recently and she was drinking the stuff beforehand and

453
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 3: she's like, they said, I have to drink it until

454
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 3: I go clear. And I'm like, well, like become a scientologist.

455
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 3: And she's like, no, until like my poop is clear.

456
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, well, that's fun. Like that's like

457
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 3: a fun experiment that I will do at home. Is like,

458
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 3: drink this until my poop is clear.

459
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Speaker 1: What does that mean? Is it white clear poop?

460
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 3: No? Like you're just like shitting water, Like you're basically

461
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 3: not having like any stuff come out.

462
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Speaker 1: There's nothing in there. Okay, Wow, this episode is maybe

463
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: the grossest one we've ever done. And that's saying a lot.

464
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 1: That's take a lot.

465
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 2: Look, I am shining away from the human condition, you know, this.

466
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 1: Yes I know, and and apologies to anybody who's still

467
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: with us and is like, yes, I'm on board exactly.

468
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,360
Speaker 2: I'm also not apologizing.

469
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 3: These are also people who don't want us talk about

470
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 3: vander Pump rules, like we can't please anybody.

471
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 2: You got poop or vander pump. Someone's gonna complain about

472
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 2: boats to just talk about whatever you want.

473
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Speaker 1: They're not on board with La La, but they are

474
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Speaker 1: on board with sloshy poop in a box. Okay, I

475
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: guess that's what's gonna happen.

476
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Speaker 3: You want me to cleanse the palette real quick before

477
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,479
Speaker 3: we get to the movies, Absolutely all right. I'll give

478
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 3: you a quick a quick test similar in the vein

479
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 3: of I dropped my Diva cup in some potting soil.

480
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: So you have to guess how this happened. Okay, okay,

481
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 2: real quick, like it's a quick little game.

482
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Speaker 1: Okay.

483
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 3: So the premise is, or the thing that you have

484
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Speaker 3: to figure out is I lost my hammer in a tree.

485
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 1: I lost my hammer in a tree. Okay, three three guesses.

486
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 1: It's not involving the color guard test, right, so this

487
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: is completely separate. I don't know, Maybe maybe this was

488
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: maybe this was the thing Okay, you lost your hammer

489
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: in a tree? A my answer number one or answer A.

490
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 1: You were building a tree fort? Nope, not involving a

491
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: tree house. Okay, hmm okay two, were you chasing an

492
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: animal up there?

493
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: Nope?

494
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 1: No, so it doesn't have anything to do with animals.

495
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: Nope. Okay, you just looked at me like what else

496
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 2: could there be?

497
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Speaker 1: I know, I was like, what how else? So it's

498
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: not animal related, it's not treehouse related.

499
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: I lost my hammer in a tree.

500
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Speaker 1: Were you throwing a hammer like an axe throwing where

501
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: you're playing a game Joe Target? So okay, So I'm

502
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: completely out of answers.

503
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 3: So I have over my driveway there are a couple

504
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 3: of trees, like a few trees to hang over my driveway, okay.

505
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 3: And I had my trees pruned last year, you know,

506
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 3: like they cut down the bran and it costs a

507
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 3: lot of money, and they cut down dead trees and

508
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 3: it just costs a lot of money. But I've noticed

509
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 3: all winter long there's been this broken branch. I think

510
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 3: it broke off in a windstorm, and it's just been

511
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 3: hanging over my car like the like the sort of

512
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 3: fucking damocles and I'm like, that shit is gonna fall

513
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 3: and break my windshield one day if I don't fix this.

514
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 3: But I also don't want to pay the tree guy

515
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 3: to come back out for this one branch because he's

516
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 3: gonna be like, oh, we got to get the crane

517
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: and that's gonna be five hundred bucks, and then we

518
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 3: got it, so I'm like no. So what I did

519
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 3: was I got my ladder and a hammer, and I

520
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 3: propped it up in my driveway and I started beating

521
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 3: the shit out of this broken branch branch and like

522
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: all right, cool, like I will just break it down.

523
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 2: And that wasn't working.

524
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 3: So I climbed into the tree, like I put the

525
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 3: ladder against the tree the truck, huh, climbed into the tree,

526
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 3: climbed out a little bit on the branch and started

527
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 3: banging it. And that worked. But then on the last,

528
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 3: like one of the last swings, I flung back too

529
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: far and it got stuck in some branches and I

530
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 3: so I pulled my hand down. The hammer wasn't there,

531
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Speaker 3: and I was like all right, So I climbed back

532
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 3: down the tree. I took the branch and pulled it

533
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: so it came off. Finally, like I hit it enough

534
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: times with the hammer that it came out accomplished. Yeah,

535
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 3: mission accomplished. Dragged the branch into the woods. Then I

536
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 3: had to climb back into the tree and find my hammer.

537
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: So where was it?

538
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 3: Was it way up there or it was like, yeah,

539
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 3: it was like like a couple of feet above me

540
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 3: because it just got like tangled up in some fucking

541
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 3: But I couldn't see it from the ground, because I'm like, oh,

542
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 3: I could see it from the ground, maybe I could

543
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 3: like throw a basketball at it or something.

544
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 2: I couldn't it from the ground.

545
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 3: And also I'm like, well, if I throw something at

546
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 3: it from the ground, it's gonna fall and hit me

547
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 3: on the head like a cartoon character.

548
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: Exactly. I was gonna say, that's we I think we

549
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: know for movies and TV, you shouldn't have heavy metal

550
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: things completely dangling a book completely.

551
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 3: And also again, if I leave it in the tree,

552
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 3: a wind is going to come along and blow it

553
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 3: and it's gonna smash the my fucking windshield.

554
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 2: So it was an afternoon that I do not recommend

555
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 2: anyone trying.

556
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: I should have just called the tree guy and been like, look,

557
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 3: if I give you twenty bucks, will you take this

558
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 3: branch down?

559
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: See, but I would have done that shit myself too,

560
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: Like sometimes you're just like I don't want to wait

561
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: around for a dude all day, and you know it's

562
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: like then I got to pay him to do something

563
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: I can just do myself. But you know, but I

564
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: definitely understand your conundrum with getting the hammer down asap,

565
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: because I couldn't have slept that night knowing that that

566
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: thing was.

567
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: Still up there, just floating. And you know, these animals

568
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 2: around my house.

569
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, Oh, a squirrel's gonna get that fucking hammer

570
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 3: and then be knocking, like banging into my house and

571
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: be like, oh you don't want me in here, knock, knock, knock, motherfucker.

572
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 2: Now I got a claw, Like, what are you gonna

573
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: do to stop me?

574
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure Like raccoons know how to use tools

575
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: at this point. They're very dexterous. They've they figured out

576
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: how to use weapons and with their little weird hands.

577
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're right, you're right. If you would have

578
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: kept it up, there would have been a mess. But

579
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you got it down.

580
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, a possum with a hammer is like a fucking tank,

581
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 3: Like that's in the equivalent of a tank to me,

582
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 3: a pottom with a hammer.

583
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: But then here's what's cool. I did all this, I

584
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 2: got the branch down.

585
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 3: Boom boop boop done undone another fucking branch broke and

586
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 3: it's hanging over that car.

587
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: I hate that. Listen. I think between you had quite

588
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: a week. I would just saying, like, between this week

589
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: and last week, you had to poop in a box

590
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: and you had to rescue a hammer that flew into

591
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: a tree.

592
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: Oh good, I dropped my Diva cup and some potting soil.

593
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 3: I lost a hammer in a tree. These are sentences

594
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 3: I say to myself all the time.

595
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of a sentence to say all the time,

596
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: you came up with one this week that is so good.

597
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 3: I sure did, because our theme this week is well

598
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 3: Bututrin would clear that right up.

599
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: That's right.

600
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: Uh, obviously a Danielle theme or it was a I

601
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: think it was another tag team moment, but you definitely

602
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: came up with that name.

603
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 3: It was. It was a tag team moment because you

604
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: were like, I really want to like discuss mental health

605
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: and film and like, look at that a little more closely.

606
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I came up with that that theme

607
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: based on.

608
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: It's not our choice, well, which is good because it

609
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: feels like it is is kind of almost like a

610
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: benign statement for the the things that are happening in

611
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: these films, which completely why it is really good. Yeah.

612
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: So basically, yeah, it's it's it's a week of movies

613
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: about mental health. I have never seen your movie before.

614
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: I had never seen your movie before.

615
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: Hey, look at this like a cultural exchange. I was

616
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: starting to think about this actually because I know we

617
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: talked about how we want Matthew Moody and to be

618
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: on this podcast, and dare I say, has he appeared

619
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: in most movies on this podcast?

620
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: Like is he?

621
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: Because we talked at least about Full Metal Jacket, Memphis,

622
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: Bell Vision, Quest, and now your movie.

623
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: I think the only one we haven't done is Gross Anatomy.

624
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and but and technically, if you want to get technical,

625
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: you and I did a commentary track for Married to

626
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: the Mob, which is not technically. So I feel like

627
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 1: he's like our most appearing actor on the pod, I think.

628
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: I think So.

629
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: I was thinking about that too this week, where I'm like, wow,

630
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: we really do have quite the modine fan club going.

631
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: On here and it to me that came through the

632
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: back door.

633
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that we had felt so strongly about him,

634
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: neither did I until we started doing this pod.

635
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: And apparently every other movie's got to have a little

636
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: modine in it.

637
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: Well, that's how most great loves start, is when you're

638
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: least expecting.

639
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: It through the back door. Because I'm a child, I

640
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: couldn't let that just hang there.

641
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: Hey, we just did thirty minutes on poop. So look,

642
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: I loved your movie so much. And I actually think

643
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: that these two together are great because it feels like

644
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: they're both like indie films almost in a way.

645
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: Like I don't know.

646
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: I know that your movie was made by like a

647
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: pretty famous director and it was probably a studio film, right,

648
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: but it feels like an independent film almost because it's

649
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: very the story is very I don't know, there's something

650
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: about it. It's not necessarily quiet, but it's it's like

651
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: this nice kind of coming of age friendship movie. Yeah,

652
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: which I feel like mine is too, Like it's a

653
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: coming of age kind of thing.

654
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: I loved your movie too.

655
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: I didn't I hadn't never seen it before, and I

656
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,239
Speaker 3: loved it, and I feel like it's it is, it's

657
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: quiet it kind of and both movies kind of give

658
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: you that indicator, that feeling of like we don't know

659
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: where it's going, but we know that it's not going

660
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: to be where we think it's going to, like It's It's.

661
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 3: They're both very unexpected in the way that they're developed,

662
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: but they're both very cozy in the way that they're Yes,

663
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 3: I don't.

664
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: Know, cozy that's a good word for it, which is

665
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: I think is actually good because I feel like, you know,

666
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: as we've seen throughout film in film history, there have

667
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: been like many different types of portrayals of like mental

668
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: health and mental illness specifically. You know, you could go,

669
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean they're you know, I think about films that

670
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: are you know, kind of from like the fifties and

671
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: before that are kind of over the top and portray

672
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: like facilities and institutions as these like you know, wild

673
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: places where people are having like you know, we even

674
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: talked about it with The Exorcists, like that moment of

675
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: the Exorcist where Damien goes to visit his mom and

676
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: that kind of like portrayal of a place like that.

677
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: I think for these two movies, they take like a

678
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: different approach to it, and it's more through like the

679
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: friendship and the relationship route. And I don't know, like

680
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: you said, cozy, I think that's the perfect word to

681
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: describe it. Like I think these are two like really

682
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 1: great films to watch together. But then they don't. They

683
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: don't seem to be like so over the top when

684
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: addressing this stuff, you know what I mean.

685
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it's because they focus on the

686
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 3: characters rather than like the illness or the things that

687
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 3: are happening around them. Like they're really tuned into like, well,

688
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 3: who are these people, what are they possibly going through?

689
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 3: Or what are they thinking and feeling? And that helps

690
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: take the kind of sensationalism out of it.

691
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, totally. Well listen, I think I'm going

692
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: first this week. Yeah, so my movie for the theme

693
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: will be Bustrin would clear that right up. Is a

694
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: film from nineteen sixty two. It was written by Eleanor

695
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: Perry and it was based on a book by Theodore

696
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: Isaac Rubin. It was directed by Frank Perry and it's

697
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: called David and Lisa.

698
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: David, look at me?

699
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: Who do you see?

700
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: What do you see?

701
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: Yes? So I love this little movie. I love it

702
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: so good. I think it's one of those I love

703
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: movies like this. I love these kind of like fifties,

704
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: early sixties, black and white kind of independent American films.

705
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: You know. I think it was only shot for like

706
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars, which is nothing to shoot a

707
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: movie for, right.

708
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: Even back then.

709
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, And you know, I think this is kind

710
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: of one of those films where you can see what

711
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: that sort of American independent cinema would be like in

712
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: the future. It's just got kind of it's a precursor

713
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: to all that kind of stuff. But I want to

714
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about Frank and Eleanor Perry because

715
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 1: they were a married couple and they were a team

716
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: in Hollywood for a couple of years, Frank Perry the director,

717
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: and his wife Eleanor, who is the screenwriter, and they

718
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: would go on to create a lot of great memorable films,

719
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: both together but also separately. They did one of my

720
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: favorite films ever, this movie called The Swimmer with Burt Lancaster.

721
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know that that was them, yes, and I

722
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: know it has been on our to do list since

723
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: we started the podcast. I feel, yeah, we have that

724
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: document in our Google drive, which is like all the

725
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: movies we want to talk about, and I swear to

726
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: got to put The Swimmer on there like day one.

727
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of figuring out how to use it,

728
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 1: of course. But if you haven't seen that movie The Swimmer,

729
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: I won't like give it away, obviously, but I feel like,

730
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: like David and Lisa, the Swimmer is also kind of

731
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: a character study type film and maybe kind of deals

732
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: with a mental health issue dot. But Frank Perry directed

733
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: a lot of other films that I really like. He

734
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: did like Diary of Him, Out Housewife, and he did

735
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: play it as it lays, of course, the Joe Didion

736
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: film adaptation. But I really want to talk about Eleanor

737
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: because Eleanor was really talented.

738
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: As you know, Danielle.

739
00:35:54,280 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure screenwriters, you know, kind of classically do not

740
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: get as much love and attention in the film world

741
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: as like directors, right. But Eleanor Perry was a very

742
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: prolific writer, and she wrote plays and books, not just films.

743
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: She had a master's degree in psychiatric social work, which

744
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure was damn really helpful for David and Lisa

745
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: when she was writing. David and Lisa. But she was

746
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: also unabashed feminist and she helped lots of women get

747
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: entry into the film industry, which I think is really

748
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: great and should be commended.

749
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: Cool.

750
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: And to her credit, she was nominated for a Best

751
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: Adapted Screenplay OSCAR for David and Lisa, her very first screenplay.

752
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: So that's impressive.

753
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty great. So as much as you know people

754
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: might talk about Frank Perry being this great director, we

755
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: got to show love to eleanor two.

756
00:36:59,320 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: She's great.

757
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: So here's a one sentence synopsis of David and Lisa,

758
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: two young people living in a residential mental health treatment center,

759
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: make an unlikely connection?

760
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: May NICs?

761
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: Does that tempt all of you to want to see

762
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: this motion picture? So, like, as for the theme and

763
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: how David and Lisa kind of play into this theme, right,

764
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: we talked about this a little bit on our Bad

765
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: Scene episode. But like, you know, you think about America

766
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: post World War Two, and you know, there was seemed

767
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: to have been a fascination with therapy and mental illness

768
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: and movies about those things, movies about addictions. You know,

769
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: I talked a little bit about that in the Bad

770
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: Scene and so David and Lisa came out in like

771
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: sixty two kind of you know, catches the later part

772
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: of that wave. But I feel like that that's you know,

773
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: a big part of why the film was made. But

774
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: also based on the book, which was written by this

775
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: psychiatrist named Theodore Isaac Rubin, and it was kind of

776
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: a case study book. So you know, I think that's

777
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: really fascinating to take the work of a doctor and

778
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: make it into a motion picture. And I know that

779
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: this I think that this was remade like Oprah remade

780
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: David and Lisa. I think, like I want to say,

781
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: it was in the eighties or maybe the nineties, but yeah,

782
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: so it's it's it's kind of a classic kind of

783
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: adaptation at this point that's been made several times. So

784
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: the stars of David and Lisa are Janet Margolin, whom

785
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: you may know, uh if you're Woody Allen fan. I

786
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: know we don't really say that name on this podcast

787
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: all the time, but she was in a few Woody

788
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: Allen movies and kier Delay, who you probably know from

789
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, a Space Honyssey and a movie

790
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: that we've talked about before, Black Christmas. He plays the

791
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: asshole boyfriend of Olivia Hussey and Black Christmas and also

792
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: looks vaguely like Christian Latner. Yeah, another person we've brought

793
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: up this podcast before.

794
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 3: He just has one of those like strong white man faces.

795
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: I don't even know how to describe it. It's just

796
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: like that's a white man right there.

797
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like he is from the northern part of Europe,

798
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: like some kind of like Scandinavian Dutch. Look, it's those

799
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: Dutch eyes I don't know, like those Swedish eyes, like

800
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: him and Christian Layner both have those like husky eyes.

801
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: Watch out, Betty Eva's eyes. We're coming at you with

802
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: some Dutch eyes.

803
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: Dutch eyes. That sounds like a name of a strain

804
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: of weed to talk about. To bring it back to

805
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: our earlier combo, uh yo, we were hitting that Dutch

806
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: eyes last night. It was great. Now I got to

807
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: drink some Golden Seals so I can pass my pistons.

808
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: We're in those Dutch.

809
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: Hit those Dutch eyes.

810
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 3: That has got I don't care what we say from

811
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 3: this point forward. That has got to be the title

812
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 3: of this episode. Hitting those Dutch eyes.

813
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: Now that I've completely derailed this conversation.

814
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: Well he has he has one of those faces though,

815
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 3: where you're like it's it's a little bit compelling and

816
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 3: captivating because of those eyes.

817
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh definitely, and like it's worth noting too, you know,

818
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: much like Frank and eleanor Perry, like you know, Janet

819
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: Margle and this was her first film, I think here

820
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: Deulay had been in one film prior to David and Lisa,

821
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: So everybody on the set was like a newbie, which

822
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: I think is fascinating. So just to go through like

823
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 1: some of the beats of the film, So the beginning

824
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: of the film is basically David. It's his first day

825
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: at this home for children and teens who have mental

826
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: health issues. And that's kind of really the extent of it.

827
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: It doesn't really kind of go into detail beyond that.

828
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: It just seems like a group home type of scenario. Okay,

829
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: And David shows up with his mother, and he's wearing

830
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: this like three button little mod sixties suit, and he's tall,

831
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: and you know, I think at the very beginning you

832
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: can tell that he's really intelligent, but he's also very

833
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: uptight and very intense, and he's got these obsessions with clocks,

834
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: which sort of is a runner throughout the film, but

835
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: most importantly, under no circumstances does David want to be

836
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: touched by anyone, And even if somebody puts their hand

837
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: on his shoulder, he loses it. Right.

838
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: We love a boundary king.

839
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is a boundary king for sure. And the

840
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: thing that I think is interesting in David and Lisa

841
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: is that, both for him and for Lisa, which we'll

842
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: talk about in just a second, their conditions are not

843
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: really fleshed out in the film. There's never that moment

844
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: like that happens in other films about mental illness where

845
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: a doctor sits at his office and goes well, based

846
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: on the X rays and the monitoring that we've done,

847
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: it seems that this guy has obsessive compulsive disorder or whatever.

848
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: You know, there's never that like treatment or you know,

849
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: there's never like the thing where the where their conditions

850
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: are discussed, which I actually think is kind of interesting. Yeah,

851
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: I actually appreciate that. I do too.

852
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: It kind of it gives a mystery to.

853
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: It.

854
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: Kind of well, I should say, it removes the mystery

855
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 3: from the narrative being focused on the diagnosis and gets

856
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: you more into paying attention to how the characters are

857
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 3: developing and who they actually are, like they're they're whatever's

858
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: going on with them is part of who they are,

859
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 3: and it's not siloed off in a way that you're like, oh, well,

860
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: now that I know this, I don't have to pay

861
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: attention to anything that they say or do.

862
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. That's important. Like I think what

863
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: doesn't get set in the movie sometimes is makes the

864
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 1: movie better.

865
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: You know.

866
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: So David starts meeting all the other kids in the facility,

867
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: and he is rude to everyone.

868
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: Duh.

869
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: He's like, what is his line like? Which is so

870
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: funny about how he's like exercises for idiots or something,

871
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: and then he just runs away, which I was like, and.

872
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 3: That is how he responds to any and everyone where

873
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: they say like, hey, you want to go outside and

874
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: like sit under a tree and he's like he's a

875
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: fucking filth and you're like, goddamn, yes he is.

876
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: He just shits on everything you could possibly like. And

877
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: so he's meeting all these other kids, he's definitely not

878
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: making any friends. But he's introduced to the resident psychiatrist,

879
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: who is this man named doctor Swinfern and he's played

880
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: by this actor Howard da Silva, And you know we

881
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: talked about just now, how everybody on the set, you know,

882
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: the screenwriter, the director of the Principles, everybody was kind

883
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: of a newbie. But Howard da Silva actually was a

884
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: veteran actor and he hadn't worked up until this point.

885
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: He hadn't worked in a film and a years because

886
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: he was blacklisted. Oh wow, yeah, by the House on

887
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: American Activities Committee. So so he was you know, he

888
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: had come off an eleven year hiatus and did this film.

889
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: And his character I think is maybe one of my

890
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: favorites because again, I think atypical of some of these

891
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: like broad movies of mental health and mental illness, there's

892
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: this heavy handed doctor type, like I would say, there

893
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: the doctor that's in your film is that type? You know.

894
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: I think that doctor Swinford, though, is not. He's very

895
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: much like he's he's not really doing much more than

896
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: just trying to understand the kids, you know, He's very gentle.

897
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: He seemed like a more modern doctor.

898
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 3: Well, even while I was watching it, I'm like, oh,

899
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 3: this seems like more of what like modern psych is about,

900
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: is like just listening and understanding.

901
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a scene where him and David.

902
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is at like two o'clock

903
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: in the morning, but they're both like eating off of

904
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: a giant chocolate cake. Like they just put all this

905
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: giant chocolate cake and they're just like eating from it.

906
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, cool, it's so good.

907
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: He's like, let me make you comfortable here so that

908
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 2: we can work out what's going on.

909
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I was like, Wow, I want to hang

910
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: with this guy. It's cool. So after this, David meets

911
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: a girl in the home named Lisa. And at first,

912
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: Lisa kind of comes across almost kind of like an

913
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: Ali Shady from the breakfast club type, like she's kind

914
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: of spooky, and she's got her hair on her face

915
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: and she's kind of like peering around her bangs that

916
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: kind of thing. But after a while we kind of

917
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: get the message about what Lisa is.

918
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 2: In the home for.

919
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: And she speaks in rhymes and is is That's how

920
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: she communicates. And she has actually a second personality named

921
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: Muriel that kind of manifests itself at different points during

922
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: the film. But she's also very in art and she

923
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: becomes sort of fascinated with David and the more that

924
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: they interact, Lisa begins to communicate and trust David, right,

925
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: because you know, she's not really talking to anybody but

926
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: the people who were working in the facility. But then

927
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: she kind of starts responding to David. And we had

928
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: just talked about how David pretty much hates every single

929
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: person in the facility, but he in turn shows this

930
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: tenderness and this willingness to communicate with Lisa too, so

931
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: they kind of have this like secret language or you know,

932
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: they're kind of bonded to each other. You know, I

933
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 1: think that if you looked at it, like it seems

934
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: like it would be like a crush or maybe some

935
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: kind of romantic thing, and it never goes fully in

936
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: that direction, which I actually think is nice.

937
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 3: It is nice, and it's also I don't think it

938
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 3: can go in that direction because like she doesn't communicate

939
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 3: the way that most people do, and he doesn't want

940
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: to be touched, So like, how can that develop into

941
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: anything romantic?

942
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: Right? Even though there are moments of the film where

943
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: Lisa is processing the idea that she's a girl and

944
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: that she has feelings of love, or you know, she

945
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: has a moment where she kind of expresses herself sexually

946
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 1: when she's by herself, but like it's it's interesting because

947
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: so you can tell like on some level she's kind

948
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: of exploring this idea of boys and maybe having a

949
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: crush on one of them or something. But you know,

950
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: they're not like in love in the traditional sense, Like

951
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: there's not like a thing where they're you know, sneaking

952
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: off to make.

953
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: Out in the health facilities.

954
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: So at a certain point, David's parents come back, and

955
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: this part is actually really interesting because you get sort

956
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: of a sense of like what his family life is like,

957
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: and like they take him out of the home and

958
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: they just like bring them home. They're just like all right,

959
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: just come home. And you realize that his parents are

960
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: very rich and that his mom particularly is sort of

961
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: in denial of who he is and and I think

962
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: he's so used to having them both sort of throw

963
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: money at this stuff and not really understand him right,

964
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: And to me, that sort of echoes It kind of

965
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: has this like rebel without a cause feel where it's like,

966
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: my parents don't understand me. They're just like totally out

967
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: of touch with me. And at a certain point David

968
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: actually runs away from them and then goes back to

969
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: the school, Yeah, which is interesting.

970
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: Where my doc is, that's where my friend is like,

971
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 3: you guys, there's at one point where the parents are

972
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 3: talking to the doctor and they're like, yeah, like we

973
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: don't know, like there's nothing that's happened to him that

974
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 3: would that would make him not want to be touched

975
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 3: or like they basically are like so defensive about it

976
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 3: that you can it's telegraphed there and you can kind

977
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 3: of understand in that moment that, oh, he can't open

978
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 3: up to them because they're so defensive about the fact

979
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 3: that he even has any kind of issue going on

980
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 3: that they don't want it. They would not be the

981
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 3: right people to try to help them solve.

982
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: It, right, And it's just interesting how now he's seeing,

983
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, this place that at first he was very

984
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: dismissive of has now become like his safe space, which

985
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: I you know, I think is interesting and you know,

986
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: and there's many scenes in the movie that are really memorable.

987
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: There's this one scene where they the kids go on

988
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: a field trip and they're at the train station and

989
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: there's this like you know, really like hard asked you know,

990
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: guy and his family there and he just thinks that

991
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: they're freaks and basically call them that to their face,

992
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: and the kids sort of, you know, process that information

993
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: then just start going off on him, which is great.

994
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: Like I love that part because they're basically like, oh,

995
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: we're just a bunch of screwballs, huh, I see, you know,

996
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: and they kind of like fight back, which I loved that.

997
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: He's basically like, let me grant my family and go

998
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: away from these these kids because they're ruining the town.

999
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 3: And they follow him and just taunt him, and it's

1000
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 3: kind of like like they know what that this is

1001
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 3: what people think of them, but they rarely get a

1002
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 3: chance to express how that makes them feel or how

1003
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 3: ostracizing it is.

1004
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: You know. It's great, yeah, and you know, and there

1005
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: their interactions with each other are really interesting too, because

1006
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: you know, there are friendships that get formed beyond the

1007
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: David and Lisa friendship. And I mean, I won't give

1008
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: away the film, but there is a moment where David

1009
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: kind of sticks up for somebody else in their school

1010
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: and it hurst Lisa's feelings and that sets off a

1011
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: chain of events obviously. But for me, I remember seeing

1012
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: this movie. I think when I first started working at TCM,

1013
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: like back in the early two thousands, and I had

1014
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: never heard of this movie before. It was like on

1015
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: the channel one day and it was like this wonderful

1016
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: kind of like afternoon black and white cozy film, and

1017
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 1: I just was really like taken with it. I think

1018
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: it's like it's kind of a gem that like not

1019
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: a lot of people talk about. And I feel like

1020
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,919
Speaker 1: it was actually hard to see for a long time.

1021
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: I think now, I mean, obviously now it's on a

1022
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: streaming site, but like I remember having a hard time

1023
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: even finding it even like a couple of years ago.

1024
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: So but yeah, I think it's totally worth the watch.

1025
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: And you know, I think it's it's just a very

1026
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: cute story. If you're really into like that sort of

1027
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: like too Sir with love, like kind of like the

1028
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: sixties sort of British invasion. Ye, mod kind of looks

1029
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: this is your movie. I love it for that too,

1030
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just just think it's a really good

1031
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: cute film.

1032
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: So it really is.

1033
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 3: It was. It was, so it was, and it feels special,

1034
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 3: like it feels like you're watching something that should be

1035
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 3: preserved because you don't. You didn't see a lot of

1036
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 3: movies like that then, and you still don't see a

1037
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 3: lot of movies like that now, but it felt just

1038
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 3: I like being along for the ride and kind of

1039
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 3: just really tucking into this film and being like, well, what's.

1040
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 2: Going to happen next? I don't know, and like is

1041
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 2: he gonna pop off on someone?

1042
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 3: And knowing early on that they're not going to make

1043
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 3: any of those traditional moves was like very very helpful.

1044
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Well, good, Oh my god, let's

1045
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: go for your film. Ah, I wish to say.

1046
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 3: My movie was released in nineteen eighty four. The screenplays

1047
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 3: by Sandy Kruf and Jack Bear. It was directed by

1048
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 3: Alan Parker, and it's based on the book Bertie by

1049
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 3: William Won. We could have done books in the movie

1050
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 3: theme here too. I didn't realize that. And my movie

1051
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 3: is Bertie. Are you just a couple of more crazy

1052
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 3: Philly kids?

1053
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: Can I say something right up top?

1054
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 3: Oh?

1055
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: Of course.

1056
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just gonna complain about something. That's it. But

1057
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: I have to get it out of the way now

1058
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: or else I'll forget it. And so I won't tell you.

1059
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 1: I know that this movie is available on like many

1060
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: different types of streaming services. I won't tell you the

1061
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 1: one I chose to wash it on. But I will

1062
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: say this, the one that I watched it on, it

1063
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: was a fucking terrible experience because their dynamic ad insertion

1064
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: stuff was totally screwed up. Like I don't know what

1065
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: was happening if it was like a buffering problem, but

1066
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: it would be that kind of thing of you know

1067
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: when you watch things on streaming services that have advertisements. Okay,

1068
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: what will happen is the movie randomly and then you

1069
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: see a series of ads and then it goes back

1070
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: to the film, which I guess is the toll that

1071
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: you pay to wash it movie for free. Right, can't

1072
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: get everything for free. But on this service, it was

1073
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: breaking the movie up so badly and then it would

1074
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: just like it would continuously like stutter and then show

1075
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: the same ads over and over and over again at

1076
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: these very crucial parts of the film, and it drove

1077
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: me fucking bananas. And I remember like like going, I

1078
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: have to get this on Blu ray. This is why

1079
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: people need physical media. You should never watch a movie

1080
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: with dynamic ad insertion in the middle of it. Fuck

1081
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: these people, anyway, I.

1082
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 3: Know, I watched movies like that sometimes just on my own,

1083
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 3: like not for the pod, but just on my own

1084
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 3: and I can't do it, Like I've tried it a

1085
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 3: few times and I'm like, this is they just throw

1086
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 3: those ads in wherever they want. Remember, like on cable

1087
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 3: at least they would like fade to black and then

1088
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: bring you into a commercial And this is not like that.

1089
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 3: And it's too jarring, especially when you're watching an emotional movie.

1090
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: Yes, well, it's just ultimately a testament to how good

1091
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: your movie is. That I was pissed off that this company,

1092
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: I won't say who was destroying it. What there are

1093
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: stupid ads anyway, Well it is.

1094
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 3: It is a great movie, and it's a movie that again, like,

1095
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 3: it's so memorable to me. I saw it when I

1096
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 3: was younger, and I didn't remember it like beat for

1097
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 3: beat from when I was younger, but I've watched it

1098
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 3: again since and I just remember feeling like this is

1099
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 3: something special. It is something weird and different and I

1100
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 3: didn't know quite where it was going, and it just

1101
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 3: it was a different The first time I saw this movie,

1102
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 3: I thought, well, this is a different kind of movie,

1103
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 3: and I liked it. I liked that feeling and like

1104
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 3: you said, this film was directed by Alan Parker, who

1105
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 3: was incredibly well known, Alan Parker. He died in twenty

1106
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 3: twenty from a lengthy illness that was not disclosed, but

1107
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 3: it was not COVID. And he he directed probably some

1108
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 3: of your favorite movies, like he directed Midnight Express, he

1109
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 3: directed Mississippi, Burning Avida, The Commitments, Fame the Wall, Like,

1110
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 3: he really had a wide and varied career. So if

1111
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 3: you want to look him up and look up some

1112
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 3: of his films, I bet you'd be surprised to realize

1113
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 3: you've probably already watched an Alan Parker movie. And this

1114
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 3: is a kind of interesting tidbit. His son actually wrote

1115
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 3: the movie Moon, which was directed by David Bowie son

1116
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine. Wheah.

1117
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this movie Bertie.

1118
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 3: When it was released, actually got a lot of acclaim

1119
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 3: and it won the Grand Prix Special Jury Prize at

1120
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 3: con in nineteen eighty five, So it's kind of always

1121
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 3: had this really critically acceptable lens to it, even though

1122
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 3: it isn't really one of those films that would you

1123
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 3: would assume would have that.

1124
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 2: And it's I just I love it.

1125
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 3: The score is by Peter Gabriel, which, again, like at

1126
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 3: the time, Peter Gabriel was not the sledgehammer dude that

1127
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 3: we all came to know and love, but he's always

1128
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 3: had this cut of it was not the sledgehammer.

1129
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: He was maybe shocked the monkey. I don't know is

1130
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: that was that early earlier.

1131
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 2: I think it was like Kate Bush Duet the years.

1132
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: Like the Games without Frontier's ish, not the sledgehammer.

1133
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 3: He wasn't even the sledgehammer, but it was coming. And

1134
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 3: you could tell from moves like this where he's like,

1135
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 3: let me do this soundtrack for this movie, this score

1136
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 3: for this movie, and have to be very ethereal and

1137
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 3: strange and everything that we've come to know and love

1138
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 3: about Peter Gabriel.

1139
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: But I just I love it.

1140
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 3: I just think it's always had a really tender place

1141
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 3: in my heart for I don't know reasons I can't

1142
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 3: really even deeply explained, but I think that when you

1143
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 3: watch the film, maybe you'll understand. So my one sentence

1144
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 3: synopsis is two childhood friends who are drafted into the

1145
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 3: Vietnam War come out on the other side, dealing with

1146
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 3: various injuries and illnesses, to the point where one friend

1147
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 3: eventually has to step in to potentially save another friend's life.

1148
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 3: So this film, again we already know this cast is

1149
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 3: fire because it's got our boy Matthew Modine in it,

1150
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 3: and he plays the title character of Bertie. And then

1151
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 3: we also have Nicholas a young Nicholas Cage playing al

1152
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 3: Al Columbado.

1153
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 2: And he'd already done Valley Girl.

1154
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 3: And a couple other things, but this was like another

1155
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 3: big turn for him, like a big turn for him

1156
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 3: as a young actor. One interesting tidbit that I learned

1157
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 3: in reading about this movie, because it is you can

1158
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 3: tell later when you look like, oh, yeah, that makes sense.

1159
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 3: He had his teeth removed. He had two of his

1160
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 3: teeth front teeth removed for the character in this film.

1161
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 3: So when you're seeing him, yeah, like post war, when

1162
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 3: you're seeing him with like his teeth are kind of

1163
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 3: yellow and removed.

1164
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 2: He did that on purpose for this film.

1165
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: He removed his teeth like this grown up teeth that

1166
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: don't grow back.

1167
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 3: Yep.

1168
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 2: What Nick Cage is a real one.

1169
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: Wow.

1170
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 3: He's like, Oh, I'll see your method acting and I'll

1171
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 3: raise it by taking out some adult teeth.

1172
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: That's some all the way up shit.

1173
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is some all the way up shit.

1174
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: Put a bit in it, holy shit.

1175
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, he took it so when you were looking

1176
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 3: at him in these like post war scenes, you're like,

1177
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, like that, like, yeah, he does look

1178
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 3: so different, and that's part of the reason why. But

1179
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 3: it's essentially about these two kids who grow up in

1180
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 3: nineteen sixties Philadelphia. The story is kind of told in

1181
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 3: a flashback format, and when we start the movie, we're

1182
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 3: on again like that post war angle, So we're seeing

1183
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 3: Nicholas Cage, who's come back from Vietnam. He had a

1184
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 3: really terrible accident where he was kind of shelled in

1185
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 3: the face. So when we see we don't even really

1186
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 3: see his face in the post war scenes because he's

1187
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 3: completely bandaged up with except for like one eye and

1188
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 3: the rest, you know, a whole half of his face

1189
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 3: is bandaged up throughout, and he talks, he talks about

1190
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 3: the injury as if it's like like permanently disfiguring, so

1191
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 3: we don't get to see it. But he's like, oh,

1192
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 3: they're telling me I have to have a steel jaw implanted,

1193
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 3: and like he kind of is hinting to this greater

1194
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 3: pain that is to come and healing his face. And

1195
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 3: Bertie is when when we meet Bertie, it's because al

1196
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 3: is on the way to this medical hospital where Bertie

1197
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 3: has been kept because he his helicopter went down. They

1198
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 3: were in different units and his helicopter went down and

1199
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 3: he was missing in action for a month before he

1200
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 3: was found. So now he's completely nonverbal, and he kind

1201
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 3: of squats and sits and moves and like arches around

1202
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 3: in strange ways. And the doctor, the major doctor Weise,

1203
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 3: who's trying to help Bertie, things that bringing his best

1204
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 3: friend who's also been through the trials of war to

1205
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 3: the hospital will help open him up a little bit

1206
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 3: so they can start to heal him. So it's just

1207
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 3: again kind of an interesting way in in that post

1208
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 3: war way that's not like Band of Brothers, kind of

1209
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 3: like Macho e way. It's like we're meeting these characters

1210
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 3: when they're at their most vulnerable and their most tender

1211
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 3: and they're trying to figure out like how to come

1212
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 3: back to the world. So I just I love that setup,

1213
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 3: and I think that, you know, as we go back

1214
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 3: in time and we meet, we kind of see how

1215
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 3: they first become friends, and it's pretty hysterical. Runner is

1216
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 3: that Bertie's mom saves all the baseballs that get hit

1217
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 3: over her fence. Like he lives near the baseball diamond

1218
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 3: for the neighborhood, and every time a kid hits a homer,

1219
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 3: the mom just takes the ball and it's like.

1220
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: Fuck you, like that, my yard is not your fucking playground.

1221
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 2: Hit it somewhere else, and they're like what the fuck.

1222
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: So it's like, would you do that, by the way,

1223
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: if that was years time situation where you'd be the

1224
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: woman that's like keeping all these balls from these fucking

1225
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: kids that keep putting them into my yard, I.

1226
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 2: Would be worse.

1227
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 3: I would take that ball and being it at the

1228
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 3: first person I fucking saw right in the fucking head,

1229
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 3: like head injury tear. Oh, you want to throw fucking

1230
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 3: hit balls over my goddamn fence all day long while

1231
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 3: I'm trying to hang rat.

1232
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 2: I'm trying to hang on.

1233
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's a baseball on your face.

1234
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 2: I'm trying to hang laundry and.

1235
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 3: Fucking shake out rugs and shit, it's the nineteen sixties, Like,

1236
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 3: I will take that ball.

1237
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 2: I'll show you a kind of arm I have.

1238
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, she's so, she's hilarious, and we kind of

1239
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 3: come into this world where it's like again nineteen sixties Philly,

1240
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 3: where At one point, Nicholas Cage is character Al when

1241
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 3: he's talking to doctor Wise says, you know, I grew

1242
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 3: up in Philly and it was crazy.

1243
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 2: And the doctor's like, well, what was crazy about it?

1244
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 2: And he's like, uh, have you ever been to Philly?

1245
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's some true shit. You know how I

1246
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: feel about Philadelphia, I don't or it will.

1247
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 3: Ah, we know better than a fuck with Philadelphia. Let's

1248
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 3: just say that would never do it, would never do it.

1249
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 3: So they're kind of they meet in a fight, which

1250
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 3: is also again very interesting because Nicholas Cage is, you know,

1251
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 3: Al's little brother is like that guy, Bertie has my knife,

1252
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 3: Like my knife was stolen and he has it right.

1253
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 3: So Al kind of, you know, approaches Bertie, who's on

1254
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 3: his porch with a pigeon and a cage, and is like, yo,

1255
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 3: you got my brother's knife, and they kind of start

1256
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 3: like running around, and then the brother's like he didn't

1257
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 3: steal it, he just has it. And he's like what

1258
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 3: and he's like, oh, yeah, like this other kid stole it,

1259
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 3: but he has it. And Bertie's like, yeah, I bought

1260
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 3: this knife off of someone. But if it's stolen, you

1261
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 3: can have it back, like you don't have to chase

1262
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 3: me around like a maniac, but kind of tweak something

1263
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 3: in Al's brain and he gets very interested in Bertie

1264
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 3: and the fact that he is obsessed with birds. And

1265
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 3: when I say he's obsessed with birds, it is like

1266
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 3: like Carnival is he is so deeply obsessed with birds

1267
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 3: that it is almost difficult for him to be a

1268
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 3: full human being in the world.

1269
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he like has jumped the gap of just you know,

1270
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: somebody like me who likes to feed birds, right, so

1271
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: like I might want to be a bird, Yeah, might

1272
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: want to you know, learn how to communicate.

1273
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 2: With them exactly.

1274
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm taking this out of the hobby territory

1275
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 3: and into the let me see if I can build

1276
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 3: some wings and try this out and let me jump

1277
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 3: from this building. So their friendship is like it's again

1278
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 3: like very interesting because Birdie's quiet and tender, and he

1279
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 3: kind of he is very soft spoken, and he smiles

1280
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 3: a lot and is like very charmed by Al, you

1281
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 3: can tell. But Al's kind of focus in their friendship

1282
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 3: is always trying to bring He's just always trying to

1283
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 3: bring him into the world. So the first time they

1284
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 3: go out on like a big hunt. Like Birdie's trying

1285
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 3: to teach him like how to catch pigeons. And they

1286
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 3: go to this kind of industrial site where these pigeons

1287
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 3: are roosting in a high spot and Bertie's hanging over

1288
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 3: the edge of a building and Al sitting on his legs.

1289
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 2: Something happens. He lets go and Bertie's like hanging off

1290
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 2: of this building.

1291
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 3: And he's like, no, it's cool. I'm just going to

1292
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 3: jump into that sandpit over there, and he just kind

1293
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 3: of leaps back into this sand pit. Meanwhile, Al's freaking

1294
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 3: out and he does end up like breaking his legs

1295
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 3: and hurting his back, like it's not a good move.

1296
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 3: But the hilarious thing about this scene that is actually

1297
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 3: not hilarious is they're dressed like pigeons. So at one

1298
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 3: point Bertie comes like they build a coop and they're

1299
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, he's teaching Al how to

1300
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 3: you know, train a homing pigeon.

1301
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 2: And then at one point Al comes in and he's like, Berdie,

1302
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 2: where are you?

1303
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 3: And he kind of creaks around the corner like like

1304
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 3: Bob from fucking Twin Peaks and he's like hey, and

1305
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 3: he's in this fucking homemade pigeon suit where he's taken

1306
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 3: feathers and like attached them the thermal underwear. Basically, yeah,

1307
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 3: he like makes a suit for this dude like it

1308
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 3: and Al's like, okay, like this is getting a little weird,

1309
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 3: but he goes with it, and so they're dressed as pigeons.

1310
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 3: When he falls off of this roof and again they

1311
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 3: strike up this friendship. There's a lot of like danger

1312
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 3: that's built into their friendship. But but Bertie is obsessed

1313
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 3: with flying. So even though he fell and hurt himself,

1314
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 3: he just keeps saying, no, it was fine because I flew,

1315
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 3: Like he finally felt felt that experience and becomes obsessed

1316
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 3: with it after that.

1317
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 2: So when we go back to them in.

1318
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 3: A present day and again Al has kind of come

1319
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 3: to this hospital and doctor Weiss is like, we if

1320
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 3: he doesn't talk or he doesn't communicate with us, like

1321
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 3: we might not be able to help him here, and

1322
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 3: he might be shipped to someplace more permanent, like a

1323
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 3: more permanent psychiatric facility essentially, And he's really, I don't know,

1324
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 3: he's just he's really not up to the task, so

1325
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 3: to speak, because nobody knows what the task is, but

1326
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 3: Bertie hasn't spoken, like he doesn't speak anymore. And again

1327
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 3: he's in this like squat position, and he just seems

1328
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 3: like he is shut off from the world. He's just

1329
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 3: not communicating with facial movements or anything. He has to

1330
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 3: have one of the nurses feed him like he is

1331
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 3: actually a bird. So the hospital setting in the hospital

1332
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 3: scene is interesting because we've got Bruno Kurr, a very

1333
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 3: young Bruno Kirby who's the orderly and I just I love, love,

1334
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 3: love his name's Rinaldi, and I love that Rinaldi didn't

1335
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 3: go to Vietnam because he was a conscientious objector, so

1336
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 3: his job is kind of like a punishment almost, and

1337
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 3: he's like, nope, I'm fine with it because I did

1338
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 3: not want to go to the fucking Nam, so I'm

1339
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 3: cool with it.

1340
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 2: And you know, kind of Al kind of asks, you know.

1341
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 3: So Al is kind of going through the motions with

1342
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 3: Bertie and talking to him and talking at him, and

1343
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 3: at one point he indicates that Bertie might be making

1344
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 3: this up so that he doesn't have to re enlist

1345
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 3: or kind of go back into the military. And he's

1346
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 3: like talking about the doctor and he says, I don't

1347
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 3: trust that guy. Everything is too interesting to him. So

1348
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 3: as the movie goes on, you realize that the doctor

1349
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 3: is also kind of examining loosely examining al and he's

1350
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 3: very interested in his face condition and his emotional his

1351
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 3: emotional states. So, like he were saying earlier, like the

1352
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 3: doctor in this film is very much one of those

1353
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 3: like let's get down to brass tacks and figure out

1354
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 3: what the fuck's going on with you, Like he that's

1355
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 3: his purpose in this film, and he doesn't really have

1356
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 3: a lot of time for anything else. And he definitely

1357
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 3: doesn't have time for like letting an emotional connection between

1358
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 3: these two be the catalysts to Bertie speaking or kind

1359
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 3: of coming out of his shell a little bit.

1360
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the doctor is like, you know, oh, you

1361
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: seem like you're very uh quick to anger and you

1362
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 1: have outbursts. I'm like, he's Italian and he's from Philadelphia,

1363
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: and he just got blown up.

1364
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 2: He starts and then he got blown the fuck up.

1365
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: Let's think about some of these other things before you

1366
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: immediately start going to maybe this guy needs to be

1367
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 1: in here with Bertie, who knows like, I fucking.

1368
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 2: Love it, I fucking love it.

1369
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 3: And it's like again like we're starting to get through this,

1370
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 3: this friendship and look back at this friendship and they

1371
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 3: just do they do things for each other in a

1372
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 3: way that feels natural to both of them. So Bertie

1373
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 3: and Al build a pigeon coup together because that's what

1374
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 3: Bertie's into. And then Bertie helps Al restore this old

1375
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 3: car because that's what Al's into. And through this car

1376
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 3: we get to meet Al's dad, who's like, you know,

1377
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 3: very obnoxious and tough, and it's like that car is

1378
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 3: a piece of shit, but I'll, you know, when the

1379
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 3: time comes, I'll register it for you in my name.

1380
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 2: But it's a piece of shit.

1381
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 3: But they take this car and they're kind of like

1382
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 3: they do these like they have like these really boyish

1383
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 3: acting out scenes where the car. The first time they

1384
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 3: start the car, they're like so excited and jumping around

1385
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 3: and pretending they're driving, and Bertie realized. Bertie indicates that

1386
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 3: he's never been to the ocean, and Al's like, I

1387
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 3: cannot handle that, So he drives them to the ocean

1388
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 3: and they have this like adventure where Al is again

1389
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 3: like I'm a teenage.

1390
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 2: Boy, like all I want to do is get with

1391
01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 2: these girls.

1392
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 3: And there's a scene where they're like under the boardwalk

1393
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 3: and Al is having sex with this woman and her

1394
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 3: friend is sitting with Bertie, and the friend eventually gets

1395
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 3: up and is like, I can't take it anyway, Like

1396
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 3: I can't talk to this weirdo anymore. I gotta fucking go.

1397
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 3: So even every time he tries to like talk to

1398
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 3: a girl, like, no matter who he's talking to, he

1399
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 3: will bring it back to birds. He is like in

1400
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 3: his room building little ornithopters, I think it's what they

1401
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:27,799
Speaker 3: call it. Like he's building flying machines and he's building

1402
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 3: his own wings. And there's a scene where you know,

1403
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 3: Al is on a bike and Birdie's on the front

1404
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 3: handles and in these homemade wings that he's fashioned, and

1405
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 3: he's peddling super fast, and then he like stops short

1406
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 3: just over the edge of this hill and this garbage dump,

1407
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 3: and Bertie tries to fly that way, like he's just

1408
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 3: constantly trying to fly, and he has no way to

1409
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 3: communicate to other people. So Al can kind of manage

1410
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 3: it because he is interested enough in him as a

1411
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 3: friend to be able to put up with it.

1412
01:11:58,200 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 2: But it even starts to get a little weird for him.

1413
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that's I think a big part

1414
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: of why I thought this movie was really endearing is

1415
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: I mean, who hasn't had a friend who was kind

1416
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: of like awkwardly moving through kind of like teenage years.

1417
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:20,600
Speaker 1: And you know, the whole idea that Bertie sort of

1418
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: understands that he should be like hanging out with women

1419
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: and exploring things with girls, but he's like too obsessed

1420
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: with like his thing, and he's just like, yeah, I

1421
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: don't really know if I even want to like hang

1422
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: out with girls right now. It's just I want to

1423
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: you know, breed canaries and you know, learn how to fly.

1424
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:47,759
Speaker 1: And I mean, I definitely like I appreciated this idea

1425
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: that the Nicholas Cage character I think was so like

1426
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: he was like so devoted to him and was like, yes,

1427
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: like I'm your partner in crime. I definitely feel like

1428
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to socialize you in a way, but ultimately

1429
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 1: I feel responsibility for you.

1430
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 3: It is that devotion that kind of carries them through

1431
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 3: their relationship because I think that there's there and there's

1432
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 3: there's a couple of scenes where you know, al this

1433
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 3: character is talking to Birdie and basically saying, you know,

1434
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 3: this doctor is basically trying to figure out whether or

1435
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 3: not we're queer, and it's like he thinks it's funny

1436
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 3: that he's trying to figure it out, which is again

1437
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 3: something you never see as someone who's like this guy

1438
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 3: can't conceive of our friendship in any other way or

1439
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 3: our closeness in any other way. And the fact that

1440
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 3: Al recognizes that is so evolved and mature and something

1441
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 3: that you rarely see in a character. And he's able

1442
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 3: to laugh it off because he's like, like, you're you're

1443
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 3: my homie, Like you're you're my guy. We're together for

1444
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 3: whatever reason, we've been put together on this earth, and

1445
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 3: I feel responsible for you in a way that is

1446
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 3: not sexual and it's not you know what people think

1447
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 3: it might be. But it doesn't bother him at all.

1448
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, what that's a great point Yep.

1449
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't bother him at all.

1450
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 3: So I think that you know, when you see and

1451
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 3: also as you kind of as you move through the

1452
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,719
Speaker 3: movie and you're seeing that, you know they're getting older.

1453
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 3: They're graduating high school and Birdie kind of is like

1454
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 3: invited to the prom by this girl who really likes him.

1455
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 3: After he gives this big presentation in class about birds.

1456
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 3: He's so passionate, and this woman, like you falls in

1457
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 3: love with him.

1458
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 2: But you've been there, been there.

1459
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 1: Maybe you fell in love with the bird guy, right

1460
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 1: you Definitely it's like, oh, here's the guy that can

1461
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 1: think of nothing else but this one thing. He's the

1462
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: man for me.

1463
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 2: I will somehow crack the code and join the phrase.

1464
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 3: Excepting his next obsession, Nope, ain't ever going to happen.

1465
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 3: And usually it's something like legos or a video game.

1466
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 3: But whatever they're obsessed with.

1467
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 2: They are not giving it up for you.

1468
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 3: But he, you know, kind of relents to taking this

1469
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 3: girl to the prom because his mom essentially is like

1470
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 3: who's again A bit throughout his mom is like, if

1471
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,560
Speaker 3: you don't go to the prom and do something that

1472
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 3: is seemingly normal as a high school boy, I will

1473
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 3: get rid of your birds. Because Birdie has now created

1474
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 3: an aviary in his bedroom that his bed sits on

1475
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 3: top of, and he goes and you know, he kind

1476
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 3: of goes to this bird breeder and gets a canary

1477
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 3: who he becomes obsessed with and is like laying naked

1478
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 3: in the cage and like, but it's all done in

1479
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 3: a way that's not meant to be salacious. It's like

1480
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 3: you're there's one scene in particular where you really get

1481
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 3: into his head and what he's thinking about and why

1482
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 3: he wants to fly and kind of or at least

1483
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 3: how he wants to fly, and without examining too much

1484
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 3: like what exactly was the catalyst for this for him,

1485
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,719
Speaker 3: it's just something that he's always just been like innately

1486
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 3: interested in. So it's he's built this aviary and his

1487
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 3: mom's like, yo, like you've got this one canary.

1488
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 2: I let you get another canary. And if you don't

1489
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 2: go to the prom, like I'm get rid of these birds.

1490
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 3: So he goes, but he's, you know, he's so awkward

1491
01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 3: and so out of place, and al is trying to

1492
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 3: like get him into it, and he's just not into it.

1493
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 3: So and the other thing that I find really sweet

1494
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 3: about this this film is that the relationship that Bertie

1495
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 3: has with his dad, so his dad is basically his

1496
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 3: dad is played by George Buck, his mom is played

1497
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,600
Speaker 3: by Dolor Sage, and his dad is the janitor for

1498
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 3: their high school, but they have such this they have

1499
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 3: such an interesting connection where like Bertie will kind of

1500
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,680
Speaker 3: seek him out, which I think is interesting because you

1501
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 3: don't see him looking for people to talk to you

1502
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 3: very often. And his dad kind of he doesn't get it,

1503
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 3: but he supports this passion of his and I just

1504
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 3: think it's really sweet that, like, you know, especially that

1505
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 3: scene at the prom where you know, he goes looking

1506
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 3: for he sees his dad and his dad's like, oh

1507
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 3: my god, this is a fucking nightmare. All these boys

1508
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 3: are puke and because no one can hold their fucking liquor.

1509
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 3: And Bertie's like, oh yeah, like I saw you, and

1510
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 3: he's like, I was gonna come say hi to you,

1511
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 3: but I didn't want to interrupt your date, and I

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01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 3: thought you might be embarrassed. And Bertie's like, why do

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01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,680
Speaker 3: you think I wouldn't be embarrassed? Like he's just so

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01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 3: connected to his dad that he doesn't even consider that

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01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 3: he should be embarrassed or that there is something that

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01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:05,560
Speaker 3: would you know, he doesn't think of it in the

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01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 3: same way that his own father thinks of it, which

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01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 3: is like, you know, I don't want to cramp your style,

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01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 3: and Birdie's like, you don't cramp my style. You're kind

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01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 3: of one of the only other people on this planet

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01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 3: who gets me so between Alan his Dad, I think

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01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 3: there's just a really an interesting look at masculinity and

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01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 3: interesting look at relationships, like non romantic relationships. And as

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01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 3: the movie again progresses and things get very intense and

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01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:32,679
Speaker 3: build to a really I think, just a really masterful ending,

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01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 3: you just get to feel sympathy for both of these

1527
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 3: characters who are again, like have been supremely damaged in

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01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 3: the height of war and are trying to find a

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01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 3: way to use their existing relationship to come back to

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01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 3: each other and realizing that that might not be the case,

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01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 3: that that might not happen, and Al's kind of pushed

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01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,879
Speaker 3: to a place where he has to evolve their friendship

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01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 3: in the wake of what's happened to them while maintaining

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01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 3: those feelings of closeness and kind of wanting to be

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01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 3: responsible for him.

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Speaker 2: So I just I just think it's a really it's

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01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 2: a beautiful movie.

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01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:12,759
Speaker 1: I do too. I am so glad that I finally

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01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: watched it, because I know you've brought it up a

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01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 1: few times in other episodes. Just God, I want to say,

1541
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 1: did you bring it up when we talked about Nicholas Cage.

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01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: I think we talked about early like early eighties Nicholas Cage.

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01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: For some reason, I don't know why I thought before

1544
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: you had brought it up. I don't know why I

1545
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:35,679
Speaker 1: thought this movie was about Charlie Parker, the jazz musician.

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01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 2: I mean natural, it's a natural progression. I would have thought.

1547
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, oh, this's that Alan Parker movie

1548
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 1: about Charlie Parker, Bird the Bird, Charlie Parker. I'm like, No,

1549
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 1: that's not what it's about at all. It's actually this

1550
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 1: really tender, sweet story about friendship and helping somebody out.

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01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 1: And I yeah, I just think I keep going back

1552
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: to the word cozy because that's kind of how I

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01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 1: felt about And I also love you know, it's got

1554
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: that whole feeling of like, especially when they're moving through

1555
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: the kind of memories of the old neighborhood, and like

1556
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 1: anytime something funny happens, La Bamba plays like like they're

1557
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,599
Speaker 1: like they're running away from somebody or there's some antics happening,

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01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: it's like obamba kicks in and I'm like, gotta love that.

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01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 2: Good absolutely, And also on that.

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01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 3: Be there if you're there's one scene in this movie

1561
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 3: that I say you should look up on the on

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01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 3: the website. Does the dog die in this one if

1563
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 3: you're all sensitive to animals, because there's one scene that's

1564
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:41,600
Speaker 3: deeply intense. But yeah, LaBamba please at the end of it,

1565
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 3: because they let these animals free, and it's very what

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01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,799
Speaker 3: they should do and it's very fucking funny.

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01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: Yes. All. All you have to know is that La

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01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,959
Speaker 1: Bamba plays after it's over, which means it has ultimately

1569
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: a good outcome and not a dark outcome like you

1570
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: might think. But actually, I was thinking about this pairing

1571
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 1: of like Nicholas Cage and Matthew Modine. I think it's

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01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: actually kind of great. I don't know if they were

1573
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 1: ever in movies together before or after, but I'm like,

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01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 1: these two guys together it kind of works because they're

1575
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: both kind of like, they both kind of have this

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01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, this kind of uh. They're both kind

1577
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 1: of like lovable nuts, you know what I mean, in

1578
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 1: their own ways. Like Matthew Modine, Like, I think part

1579
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:32,680
Speaker 1: of what we've discussed about him in the past is

1580
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 1: that he's kind of like a wacky He plays a

1581
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 1: lot of like wacky characters, even though he himself looks

1582
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 1: kind of like a just standard blonde guy type. Like

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01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 1: he always has this like just something off kilter about him.

1584
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 1: And then of course Nicholas Cage is gonna Nicholas Cage

1585
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:52,759
Speaker 1: right from the beginning.

1586
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 3: From the Keith removed Nicholas Cage, Like from the beginning,

1587
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 3: he was like I'm going hard.

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01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then like them together, I don't know, it

1589
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:06,600
Speaker 1: was just so fun to see Lim have like a friendship.

1590
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 3: You know.

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01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:12,600
Speaker 1: And honestly, like Matthew, if you're out there and you

1592
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 1: want to be on this podcast, I think we've done

1593
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 1: more movies that you've started than any other. So you'll

1594
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 1: almost need to come on this podcast to talk about it.

1595
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:28,640
Speaker 3: That will be the day we end the cast, like

1596
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 3: we discussed every possible Matthew Modine movie.

1597
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 2: Come on and talk about them, and then we are done.

1598
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would faint just from talking to

1599
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: him about Memphis Bell alone, let alone all the other

1600
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: stuff he's done.

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01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 3: And he's so he's also like, this is one of

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01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 3: those movies that you know, similar to Vision Quest, were like,

1603
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 3: this is a movie where I realized how much he

1604
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 3: uses his physicality in his acting. He is a very

1605
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 3: tall person, so there is some scenes where he's squatting

1606
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 3: like a bird, on the like a like a bird

1607
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 3: on a perch, but he's actually like naked it on

1608
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 3: the end of his bed in this psychiatric hospital. And

1609
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 3: he's just so tall, but he makes himself look so tiny.

1610
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 3: It's just it's very very interesting.

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01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. There are scenes where he's basically kind of

1612
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 1: crammed himself into like these little corners of his hospital

1613
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 1: room or whatever, and I'm like, wow, like he is

1614
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: a very physical person, Like you wouldn't think that, but

1615
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 1: it's it's so true. But I this movie is lovely.

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01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's lovely and it's and it's it's

1617
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,560
Speaker 1: just such a nice surprise to see a movie like this.

1618
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: And I can totally see why you love it.

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01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 3: I can totally love it so early Imprint, Early Imprint.

1620
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 3: I just I love both of these these actors. I

1621
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 3: love this style, I love score like it just yeah,

1622
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 3: it's special.

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01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 2: It's special movie.

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01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 3: Well.

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01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm actually pretty proud of us this week, because you know,

1626
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: this topic is obviously a big one, and normally when

1627
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:06,560
Speaker 1: we've gotten we've gotten out of brass tax about some

1628
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: of these big topics, it can get really serious. But

1629
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: I like that we both picked films that sort of

1630
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 1: are the opposite of that, Like I don't know, like

1631
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:18,560
Speaker 1: it's still talking about big issues and important issues, but

1632
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 1: it's also like it's taking kind of that road less trouble.

1633
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 1: They're a little lighter and more effervescent, which is nice.

1634
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 3: Sometimes well, and even even in my I agree, and

1635
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 3: even in my film, it's like, you know, it's pretty

1636
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:35,719
Speaker 3: common knowledge now that you know a lot of people

1637
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 3: returning from Vietnam were treated so poorly. And Nick al Columbardo,

1638
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 3: the Nicholas Cage character in this film, even says that

1639
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:45,640
Speaker 3: at one point where he goes to a gym and

1640
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 3: he sees a guy who doesn't have legs climbing up

1641
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 3: a rope, and he says, you know, if we had

1642
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 3: fought this war in any other era, we would have

1643
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 3: been heroes, heroes, yeah, and instead, you know, we're treated

1644
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,600
Speaker 3: like shit. And it's just, you know, it's again like

1645
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,560
Speaker 3: a different viewpoint on something that maybe people feel like

1646
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 3: they know a lot about. But I just I appreciated

1647
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:09,839
Speaker 3: those moments of looking at you know, mental health issues

1648
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 3: in a more tender space and looking at you the

1649
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:13,839
Speaker 3: kind of the fog.

1650
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,599
Speaker 2: Of war in a more tender space.

1651
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 1: Definitely, And you know, two movies that are ultimately focused

1652
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 1: on friendship and connection, which is really meaningful, and it's

1653
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 1: always nice to watch movies about that.

1654
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 2: So I loved it. I loved it.

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01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much for doing this this theme

1656
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 3: with me and letting me have a more comical theme

1657
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 3: for a more serious topic.

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01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 1: Yes, agreed. Well listen if you want to email us,

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Speaker 3: I count I just caught a glimpse of what our

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Speaker 3: theme is for nings. Ah, nobody is gonna get it.

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01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 3: Nobody is guessing this theme.

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01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 1: You might guess. Yeah. Actually, I don't even think you'll

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01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: guess the general theme. You're definitely not gonna get guess

1678
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: the actual name.

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01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 3: Do you want to tell them what the movies are

1680
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 3: and see if they could try it? It's a challenge.

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01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 3: It's a challenge, all right.

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Speaker 2: Here we go.

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Speaker 1: Next week's movies are Being from nineteen seventy nine and

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01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 1: Married to the Mob from nineteen eighty eight.

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01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 3: If anyone guesses our theme beyond just the general theme,

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01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 3: If anyone guesses our theme, I feel like we should

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01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 3: let them take over the podcast.

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01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,759
Speaker 1: Yes, I will write you a check for two million dollars.

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01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 2: Whether or not you can cash it remains to be seen,

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01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 2: but she will write it.

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01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 1: Casey, you might need to run that over with legal.

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01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can actually dare people in

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01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: that way, but.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I basically I will be thrilled if anyone guesses this.

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01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 3: If anyone guesses the actual theme, we're gonna have to

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Speaker 3: like hook up or something.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well, Danielle has always a fucking pleasure doing this

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Speaker 1: podcast with you. I love it.

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Speaker 3: This has been an exactly right production. Produced by Casey O'Brien,

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01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 3: mixed by Edson Choi. Our theme song is by Tom Bryfogel,

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01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,919
Speaker 3: artwork by Garrett Ross. Our executive producers are Georgia Hartstart,

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Speaker 3: Karen kle Gareff, and Daniel Kramer. You can follow us

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Speaker 3: at gmail