1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 2: It's Banda the sixth of November here in London. This 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: is the BlueBag Day bac AT podcast. 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm Caroline Hepka. 5 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 3: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today, Israeli forces intensify 6 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 3: their assault on Gaza and effectively split the territory in two. 7 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: A lack of deals leaves Warren buffet with one hundred 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: and fifty seven billion dollars stuck on the sidelines. 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 3: Plus the rise of the far right, we bring you 10 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 3: a special report on the resurgence of German nationalism. 11 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: Let's start with a round up of our top stories. 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 3: Israeli troops have now entirely encircled Gaza City, attacking targets 13 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 3: both above and below ground. With the Palestinian territory effectively 14 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 3: cut in half, Internet and phone connections were once again 15 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 3: cut off in Gaza. Meanwhile, the US Secretary of State 16 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 3: Anthony Blincoln has made an unscheduled stop in Baghdad as 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: Washington tries to prevent a wider regional conflict. Speaking on 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 3: that visit, Blinken said more needs to be done to 19 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 3: get aid into Gaza. 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 4: We have about one hundred trucks a day going in. 21 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 4: That's good, but it's grossly insufficient. So now we're working 22 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 4: on on raising that significantly so that more aid in 23 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 4: a sustained way gets into a Palestine who needed. 24 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 3: The US secutive state also Metapalitinian Authority President Batmadabas in 25 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 3: the West Bank on Sunday. These visits come as The 26 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 3: Washington Post is reporting that the Biden administration officials say 27 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 3: Israel's military campaign against Hamas has resulted in too many 28 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,559 Speaker 3: civilian casualties. Gaza's Hamas r On Health Ministry says since 29 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: the war started, nine five hundred people have died in 30 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 3: Israeli attacks. 31 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Jordan has dropped medical aid to a field hospital 32 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: in Gaza City. Amman has been highly critical of Israel's 33 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: military operations in the territory, and last week we call 34 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: its ambassador in protests. The country's foreign minister, I'man Safadi, 35 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: says that he's concerned about the hardline attitude of some 36 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: Israeli politicians. 37 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 5: Today sitting Israeli government. A member of the Israeli cabinet 38 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 5: calls publicly for knooking Gaza. Why Gaza from the face 39 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 5: of this eld kill two point four million people and 40 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 5: that should explain why people have lost faith and peace. 41 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: I'man Safadi was referring there to comments by the Israeli 42 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: ultra nationalists Minister Amichai ali Yahu, who suggested that dropping 43 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: an atomic bomb on the Gaza Strip would be quote 44 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 2: one way to go. Prom Minister Benjamin Netniya, who suspended 45 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: Eliha who formed cabinet meetings in response, saying that the 46 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 2: comments were quote disconnected from reality. The highly charged rhetoric 47 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: comes as Netnya, who faces growing political pressure over the 48 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 2: security lapses that led to the seventh of October Hamas attack, 49 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: in which one four hundred people were killed. 50 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 3: Two other news in China's Premier League, Kiang has pledged 51 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 3: to protect foreign investors, the nation's number two official, promise 52 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: to boost imports and promote opening up as foreign direct 53 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: investment turns negative for the first time this century. The 54 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 3: Bloomberg senior reporter in Beijing, James Meger, says, we should 55 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 3: take the message with some cynicism. 56 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 6: It's not like there's going to be an introduction of 57 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 6: new policies to actually expand imports. I mean, the government 58 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 6: here has been making the same speech at this same 59 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 6: event now for five years, since it began in twenty eighteen. 60 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 6: Shoo Peeing, Li Kachang and now Li Chang have all 61 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 6: said that China is going to expend imports from other countries, 62 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 6: and there's lots of opportunities in the Chinese market for 63 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 6: foreign companies, you know. At the same time, with the 64 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 6: slow down of the economy this year without the value 65 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 6: in whats is four and eight percent so far this year, 66 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 6: and so. 67 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 7: You're seeing the government as out there saying. 68 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: China is open, we welcome your business. 69 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 6: At the same time the economy is also slowing. 70 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 3: Meger added that China was actively blocking imports some countries 71 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: like Australia and Canada for geopolitical reasons. 72 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: Now to some corporate news, Telecometalia has sold its most 73 00:03:55,560 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: valuable asset, it's landline network, for twenty two billion euros. 74 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: US private equity giant KKI is buying the strategic asset 75 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: with the backing of Italy's government, who will keep a 76 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: key stake. The sale went through without a shareholder vote, 77 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: angering the largest shareholder, Vivendi, who have threatened legal action. 78 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 3: Warren Buffett has more cash than ever before, but few 79 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 3: deals where he can use it. Berkshire Hathaway's third quarter 80 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 3: earnings show a one hundred and fifty seven billion dollar hoard. 81 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's Annabel Drillers explains why that's not necessarily a good thing. 82 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 8: Warren Buffett, one of the most famous value investor out there, 83 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 8: struggling to find value in the current market where it 84 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 8: is now, the cash well a couple of key places. Firstly, 85 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 8: a lot of it's parked in short term or short 86 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 8: dated securities or treasuries. And then they've also continued to 87 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 8: put more money into buybacks, so they spent more than 88 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 8: one point one billion dollars on buybacks in the latest period, 89 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 8: and that brings the total for sharey purchases here to 90 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 8: around the seven billion dollar mark. 91 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 3: Annibal Drillers ads. Some analysts think Buffett may come under 92 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 3: pressure to use his pile of money. Despite ramping up 93 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: Berkshire's acquisitions in recent years, the company has still struggled 94 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: to find many of the big ticket deals that made 95 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 3: it famous. 96 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: Now, Richie Sunak plans to create an annual bidding process to. 97 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: Drill for oil in the North Sea. 98 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 2: New laws could force the regulator to invite yearly applications. 99 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: The government is arguing that even by the twenty to 100 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 2: fifty net zero target, Britain will still be relying heavily 101 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: on oil and gas. Climate policy has become a political 102 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 2: dividing line, with the unpopular Conservative Party being accused of 103 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: rolling back green policies. 104 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 3: And turning to the results from Ryan Air announcing its 105 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 3: first ordinary dividend worth four hundred million euros are about 106 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 3: thirty five cents per share through two payments, an interim 107 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 3: and final dividend of two hundred million euros each payable 108 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: in February and September. This as the low cost airline 109 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 3: reported its first half profit after tax rising by fifty 110 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 3: nine percent a year on year to just under two 111 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: point two billion euros. It now sees it's twenty twenty 112 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 3: four forecast profit after tax of being between one point 113 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 3: eight five billion and two point zero five billion euros. 114 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 3: In a moment, we're going to be talking about the 115 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 3: surgeon support for the far out AfD party in Germany. 116 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: But first, a piece that caught my eye this morning 117 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 3: from Bloomberg Opinions Matthew Brooker. Now, any piece that starts 118 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 3: with the quoe from Oscar Wild is always a good 119 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 3: start of your day, I think, and he chose the 120 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: You know, we're all lying in the gutter, but some 121 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 3: of us are looking at the stars. To talk about 122 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 3: the UK's space ambitions. The revamped National Space Council aiming 123 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 3: to turn the UK into a superpower in the industry. 124 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,239 Speaker 3: They've done a deal with the American company Axiom Space, 125 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: which may see British astronauts launched into space as well. 126 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 3: This is a story we've talked about, yeah, on the 127 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 3: program before. We've spoken to some of the companies that 128 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: have been involved in the launches. 129 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: So remember that that launch of a vehicle out of 130 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 2: Cornwall a few months ago. We spoke to the company 131 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: behind that. And also there's a lot of activity in Shetland, so. 132 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: I mean it. Matthew points this out that. 133 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: In some senses, this idea that the UK could kind 134 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: of rival the US China in terms of the space 135 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: race is a bit laughable, although the product. 136 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 3: Is els Jeff Bezos maybe forgiven. So for stifling a. 137 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: Yawn, yes, and we get that. But on the other hand, 138 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: of course, Brooker underlines, as we have done with those 139 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: sorts of interviews, the scale of this industry and actually 140 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: that the UK, you know, it's fantastic universities. You know, 141 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: the kind of productivity that a lot of these tack on, 142 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: sort of space companies that are very specialized in satellite communications, 143 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: all sorts of things. Actually, the UK is doing really 144 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: really well in this high tech industry. 145 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, definitely an interesting piece to read about if 146 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 3: you're interested in learning more about the ambitions for that sector. 147 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: That's Matthew Brooker from Bloomberg Opinion. Well, let's go to 148 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 3: the Middle Least next, where Israel's military says its troops have 149 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: entirely encircled Gaza City. This is the US Secretary of 150 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: State Anthony Blenkin, has been continuing his latest round of 151 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 3: diplomatic visits in the region, including meeting the Palestinian Authority 152 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 3: President Mahmedabas in the West Bank. Let's get the latest 153 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 3: now from Bloomberg's Henry Mayer in Tel Aviv. Henry, good 154 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 3: morning to you. What is the latest that we've learned 155 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: about the Israeli military operations in Gaza? 156 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 7: Good morning, Yes, So, overnight the Israeli army said that 157 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 7: it had entirely encircled Gaza City and had effectively cut 158 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 7: off the north from the south in Gaza. Now that's 159 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 7: important because the Israeli army have been earning residents of 160 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 7: the North to try and head south and avoid the 161 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 7: hostilities which are mainly concentrated in that part of the 162 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 7: Gaza Strip. Unfortunately, what we see is that there are 163 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 7: still very hundreds of thousands of residents still in the 164 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 7: North exposed to Israeli bombing and it's difficult for them 165 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 7: to get to safety. 166 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: What has that meant for the humanitarian situation in Girlza, Well. 167 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 7: The humanitarian situation is dire. There really is no other 168 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 7: way to describe it. You know, there's no power. The 169 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 7: Israel has cut off fuel supplies as well. It said 170 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 7: that it has to do this in order to prevent 171 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 7: that from getting into the hands of Hamas is a 172 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 7: very limited water supply, the risks of diseases now spreading, 173 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 7: and the UN says that food essential food supplies are 174 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 7: going to be running out within the next one to 175 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 7: three days. 176 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: We've been actually Blincoln has been visiting not only the 177 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 3: West Bank to meet Mahmadabas, but also he's been to 178 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 3: Iraq as well. What have we heard from the US 179 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 3: Secretary of State during this latest diplomatic tour. 180 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 7: Well, Anthony Blincoln has brought you a very consistent message, 181 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 7: which is at the US is called going on Israel 182 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 7: to pause the fighting in order to allow more humanitarian 183 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 7: aid in US is also trying to help find a 184 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 7: solution for the more than two hundred and forty hostages 185 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 7: who were taken from Israel on October seventh by Hamas 186 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 7: and are now inside Gaza. But that is difficult because 187 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 7: the really Prime Minister is insisting on the full release 188 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 7: of the hostages in order to agree to any humanitarian 189 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 7: cease fire, even temporary. So the situation really is more 190 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 7: or less in a deadlock at the moment. 191 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 2: There's been criticism in the US of the Biden administration's 192 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: approach to the war. What are the chances there in 193 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: terms of the war spilling over. 194 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: We also. 195 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: Know that the issue around Iran is very significant. 196 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 7: Well, I mean, that's one of the main US concerns. Obviously, 197 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 7: we've seen the situation on the border with Lebanon heating 198 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 7: up over the last few weeks. You know, it hasn't 199 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 7: gone behoind a certain point, but we're watching that very closely. 200 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 7: The leader of head Bolla, Tasan Nasralla, gave this quite 201 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 7: incendury speech on Friday, but it was most people understood 202 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 7: it as keeping within certain boundaries, because if we see 203 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 7: major rocket attacks on Israeli cities, then you would see 204 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 7: the war actually spreading to Lebanon. Regarding the US position, 205 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 7: I think that they are you know, it's a cross 206 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 7: party position that Biden has adopted. There is some criticism, 207 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 7: yes on more on the progressive wing of the Democratic Party, 208 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 7: but I think broadly he enjoys political support for his position. 209 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 3: Okay, Henry, thank you very much for bringing us up 210 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 3: to date. That's been Brooks, Henry Mayor. They're reporting from 211 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 3: tele Aviv this morning. 212 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: Now we go to Germany for our next story. The 213 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 2: far right Alternative for Deutschland party has seen its popularity 214 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 2: in the polls rise almost doubling to over twenty percent 215 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 2: in the last two years. Germany's political mainstream has struggled 216 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: to find an answer to the AfD, and that is 217 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 2: the subject of today's Bloomberg Big Take. Chris Writer joins 218 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: us now for more on this from Berlin. Good morning, Chris, 219 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. The AfD has been 220 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: on the German political scene for a long time, but 221 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,599 Speaker 2: we've seen this recent surge in popularity what's been driving. 222 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 9: That, Yeah, good morning, Like this round is effectively like 223 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 9: started during the COVID pandemic in the sense that there 224 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 9: was a lot of anti establishment sentiment that was stirred 225 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,599 Speaker 9: up by the government's slockdown actions and that's been activated 226 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 9: in the last couple of years with the new coalition 227 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 9: and a lot of some of their policies, and especially 228 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 9: they're infighting, and so Germans have a lot of Germans 229 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 9: have progressively seen themselves been feeling left behind and feeling 230 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 9: how Germany is shifting away from them. And right now 231 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 9: Germany is dealing with a number of crises all at once. 232 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 9: After COVID came to warn Ukraine and that stoked the 233 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 9: energy crisis last year, and then you have policies, especially 234 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 9: like this. There was a heating reform in the summer 235 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 9: that that made that felt very invasive to a lot 236 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 9: of Germans that the government was basically reaching inside their 237 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 9: home and stepping there, stepping over their bounce. 238 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: How has the Israel Hamas war affected the popularity or 239 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 3: support for if T. 240 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 9: Yeah, well, it's added like an extra sense of tension 241 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 9: within German society. And when you see, you know, especially 242 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 9: here in Berlin, there's been quite a few pro Palestinian 243 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 9: and and uh sort of aggressive kind of demonstrations, and 244 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 9: when you're you're like out in the hindulands of Germany, 245 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 9: it sort of looks like it's It just stokes this 246 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 9: idea that there's tension in society and that German society 247 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 9: is is changing in a way that's rapidly and dissettling 248 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 9: a lot of people. 249 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: Do you think the party is closed to actually getting 250 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 2: real power? And also could it change its policies because 251 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: you know, obviously political parties you can shift in order 252 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: to address the concerns of voters. What does that mean 253 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 2: for the a f D. 254 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 9: If you look at German politics over the last couple 255 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 9: of years, it feels like the mainstream policies are shifting 256 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 9: more towards the a f D than the AfD has 257 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 9: modifying their own policies. I mean, the rhetoric towards migration 258 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 9: especially has been more taken a harder line in recent weeks. 259 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 9: And so the first bite of you know, a chance 260 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 9: of getting some sort of real share and power is 261 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 9: next year there's three state elections in eastern Germany, which 262 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 9: is their stronghold, but their stronghold has been shifting from 263 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 9: the east also to the west, as we've seen in 264 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 9: the recent elections in Bavaria and Hesse. And if they 265 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 9: get there in those states, they are the strongest party 266 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 9: and so if they continue that trend and if they 267 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 9: maintain the strongest party status, they would have the right 268 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 9: to form a government. Now every other party has said, oh, 269 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 9: we won't work with you, but that's going to be 270 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 9: harder when it actually comes down and the votes say 271 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 9: we're the strongest party, we have the right to form 272 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 9: a government. And then again, if they don't form a 273 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 9: government and there's some anti AfD coalition in those states, 274 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 9: you kind of drive a wedge deeper in society where 275 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 9: basically get says the mainstream is shutting out the votes 276 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 9: of the largest segment of the population. And so that's 277 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 9: that next year in September, that's when things get can 278 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 9: get really problematic and it would be really interesting to see. 279 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 3: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 280 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 3: stories making news from London to Wall Streets and beyond. 281 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, 282 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 283 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: You can also listen live each morning on London DAB Radio, 284 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,479 Speaker 3: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 285 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: Our flagship New York station, is also available on your 286 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: Amazon Alexa devices. 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