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Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Hello and welcome. It

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Speaker 2: is a beautiful Thursday in Los Angeles. It's me Jason

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Speaker 2: McIntyre in for vacationing Colin Cowherd. He's in parts unknown.

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Speaker 2: I've not heard from him yet, but I don't think

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Speaker 2: he's gonna be wearing skis. I'm joined today by Rachel Nichols,

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Speaker 2: fresh from Milan at the Olympics. Rachel, great to have you.

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Speaker 2: We are going to talk Olympics on the show. There's

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Speaker 2: some interesting storylines percolating overseas.

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Speaker 3: I've been back for less than twelve hours and the

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Speaker 3: first place I wanted to come was here with you.

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Speaker 2: Oh, of course, the topics, the morning meeting, yea heeded

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Speaker 2: knocked down drag house store this morning.

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Speaker 3: This will be a great show.

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Speaker 2: We got great guests, funks. I'm fired up. I know

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Speaker 2: people say this is a slow week. Now, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, God, there's a ton of stuff. You know,

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Speaker 2: let's dive right in. We are gonna get to Giannis

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Speaker 2: and these crazy comments that he made. We'll get to those,

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Speaker 2: but I need to start with this Lebron James situation.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys had heard, but over

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Speaker 2: the last week, probably the biggest story in the NBA

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Speaker 2: is what's gonna happen with Lebron after the Lakers losing

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Speaker 2: the playoffs because nobody outside of me think that they're

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Speaker 2: a legitimate contender in the West. And you know, basically Lebron,

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Speaker 2: everybody's nailed it down to Okay, he's got three options,

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Speaker 2: so he can stay with the Lakers cheaper than that

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Speaker 2: max deal that he's making. Now he ain't sniffing fifty

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Speaker 2: mil we know that. Or you know, maybe he goes

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Speaker 2: to Cleveland on the cheap and a bunch of folks

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Speaker 2: in Cleveland have already broke it down, and hey, you

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Speaker 2: know what Lebron minimum deal Cleveland, James Harden, Donovan Mitchell.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he talks himself into that, and then there's door

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Speaker 2: number three, which is just he could straight up retire,

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Speaker 2: right Lebron just walk away, which does kind of seem

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Speaker 2: random for Lebron. I can't see that. You know, the

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Speaker 2: all time greats, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant,

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Speaker 2: they got farewell tours. How could Lebron, a guy who's

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Speaker 2: played longer than all those dudes, how could he not

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Speaker 2: get a farewell tour? And so at the All Star

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Speaker 2: break they ask Lebron, Hey, so, Lebron, you know you

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Speaker 2: got an uncertain future. Really, this is the first time

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Speaker 2: in your career that that's been the case. What what

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Speaker 2: does the future hold? Have you given any thought? Are

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Speaker 2: you going to retire? And listen closely and look at

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Speaker 2: the body language of what Lebron James said here.

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Speaker 4: I want to live when I know you guys know,

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I have my idea, just want to

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Speaker 4: just want to live us all. And how is your

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Speaker 4: personal uncertainty for the summer and beyond for your career

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Speaker 4: play as a factor in your urgency?

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Speaker 4: N this we gain is we gearing him says towards

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Speaker 4: the policy, so has nothing to do with that same

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Speaker 4: same motivation, same e fact. They're just you know, this

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Speaker 4: is we've got past the marathon and now the sprint

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Speaker 4: is about to start.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm. Spoken like a true poker player, very good poker

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Speaker 2: faith there from Lebron, almost like he's playing chess. You know,

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Speaker 2: my son plays competitive chess now, and you know the

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Speaker 2: players he's facing, they're locked in, right, they're not showing

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Speaker 2: no tells and they're reading the board five, ten, fifteen

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Speaker 2: plays in advance. Chess is so great, great game. And

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Speaker 2: you know, historically, Lebron's always been a few steps ahead.

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Speaker 2: You know, for the longest time. In the NBA free

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Speaker 2: agency was hey, are you gonna stay? Are you gonna go?

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Speaker 2: And I'll never forget back in the day Grant Hill

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Speaker 2: and they took a tour and they met with other teams,

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Speaker 2: ultimately thing and that they're not leaving. Interestingly, Lebron said,

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Speaker 2: I'm not doing any of that. I'm going to host

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Speaker 2: a special, a TV special to announce that I'm leaving

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Speaker 2: Chris Bosh. Totally flipped free agency on its head, a

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Speaker 2: seminal moment in the NBA. No player had ever done that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so then time runs out in Miami and he says,

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Speaker 2: and oh, by the way, I'm gonna bring Kevin Love.

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Speaker 2: He Lebron flipped everything because he knew what was coming.

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Speaker 2: He was ahead of the curve and he didn't stop there.

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Speaker 2: He said, I'm now going to go to the Lakers,

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Speaker 2: could read the tea leaves. He knew Anthony Davis was coming.

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Speaker 2: He had Anthony Davis in his back pocket. A year later,

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Speaker 2: Ad comes and the Lakers wins another title. Lebron just

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Speaker 2: wins wherever he goes. So what could he have in

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Speaker 2: store for us this summer? And the theory is starting

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Speaker 2: to make headwaves on the internet. It seems like perhaps

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Speaker 2: Lebron's idea of playing at age forty one forty two

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Speaker 2: is maybe he does take a lot less money from

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Speaker 2: the NBA. But on the side, is there a world

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Speaker 2: where Lebron says, you, you know what, I saw that

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Speaker 2: last dance from Michael Jordan. What twenty years after he

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Speaker 2: retired twenty five? What if I had a camera crew

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Speaker 2: following me around from a peacock, Amazon Prime, Apple one

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Speaker 2: of these streaming services, and I signed a developmental deal

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Speaker 2: where they pay me, I don't know, fifty million over

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Speaker 2: five years to produce some fun stuff for a streaming service.

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Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, my farewell tour and we

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Speaker 2: air that after we win the title. Now, remember I

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Speaker 2: mentioned Jabbar had a farewell tour. I think they lost

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Speaker 2: in the second round of the playoffs. Michael Jordan with

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Speaker 2: the Wizard's farewell to you guys. Remember that didn't make

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Speaker 2: and that ended. You know, obviously he had an amazing

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Speaker 2: final game, but they didn't make the playoffs. Why would

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Speaker 2: Lebron do all this? Well, what if he takes a

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Speaker 2: saying some stuff that's starting to sound like he's out.

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Speaker 2: And if the Lakers can get Luca Jannis and Lebron

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Speaker 2: Reeves in this scenario, you're telling me that isn't the

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Speaker 2: ultimate farewell tour where Lebron gets a super team because

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Speaker 2: of his generous sacrifice, taking less so the Lakers can

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Speaker 2: now bring in Giannis to join forces with Luca. You've

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Speaker 2: got the best team in the league. You've got a

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Speaker 2: super team. He goes out with a super team and

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Speaker 2: a title. Come on, folks, that's the stuff dreams are

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Speaker 2: made of. That right, there is a streaming show everybody

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Speaker 2: is watching. Now. I want to pivot to the NFL

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Speaker 2: and kind of a troubling situation on the home front.

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Speaker 2: So we know this draft is really only a one

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Speaker 2: Club Nick. You hear a lot of maybees, not a

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Speaker 2: lot of love. So I came into the morning meeting

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Speaker 2: don't have a quarterback. And I'm not even including the

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Speaker 2: Raiders because we're pegging them to get Mendoza. So wait

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Speaker 2: a minute, we got seven teams without quarterbacks. There's maybe

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Speaker 2: one free agent that people are interested in, Malik Willis,

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Speaker 2: who I'm not gonna put an asterisk by him because

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Speaker 2: all the stat guys love what he did. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: I love what he did with a great receiving core

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Speaker 2: Willis look great. In a small sample size, he looked terrific.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, guy fills in for a few games, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you can look outstanding. So what does that mean. You're

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Speaker 2: gonna give him thirty mili. You give him the Sam

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Speaker 2: Darnold Special, You're gonna give him the Baker deal, the

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Speaker 2: So now it gets a little scary. Let's move Willis

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Speaker 2: to the side. You're telling me teams like the Jets

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Speaker 2: to unload to a it's clear that he's not in

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Speaker 2: me the Arizona Cardinals, who are desperate to get off

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Speaker 2: that Cleveland Browns, who don't have a quarterback, may decide

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Speaker 2: between I don't know, Dylan Gabriel, Shaduur and Deshaun Watson.

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Speaker 2: a lot of teams with no quarterback next year. That's

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Speaker 2: just the tip of the iceberg. I mean, I could

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Speaker 2: talk to the Atlanta Falcons in there. Is it, Michael Pennox,

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Speaker 2: is it, Kirk Cousins. Folks were in a weird place

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Speaker 2: don't have enough good quarterbacks. Look at this list of

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Speaker 2: free agent quarterbacks. Daniel Jones is coming off an Achilles.

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Speaker 2: Everybody thinks he's staying an Indy. I can't see anybody

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Speaker 2: GMS cannot wait. Oh yeah, Aaron, take all the time

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Speaker 2: you need darkness retreat. You want to go surfing Iowa.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna do your thing. Bro, We'll catch up with you.

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Speaker 2: That Denver Broncos traded for Russell Wilson, then gave him

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Speaker 2: another team to take him. Be a buyer. Beware Kenny Pickett.

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Speaker 2: So folks, you look at these teams and it's like,

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Speaker 2: All these stories coming out of Minnesota. I mean, you

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Speaker 2: keep going down the list, folks. There are not enough

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Speaker 2: free agency. So Sam Darnold was a hit. Amazing. Hey,

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Speaker 2: if Seattle can find Sam Donald and win a Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl with him, why can't other team? Look at the

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Speaker 2: Colts went and it got Daniel Jones and they were

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Speaker 2: at one point seven to one. Well, let's take a

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Speaker 2: ten pick. He had some pedigree. I mean guy was

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Speaker 2: He had a lot of pedigree. The guys on that

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Speaker 2: he went twenty, it was criminally overdrafted. Has shown you nothing.

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Speaker 2: You tell me what any of these guys have shown

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Speaker 2: you to prove that maybe it's worth taking a flyer

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Speaker 2: next Derek Carr. Do you remember the Saints they gave

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Speaker 2: know the saying is one man's trash is another man's treasure. Okay,

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Speaker 2: And sure some of these guys will occasionally hit. But

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Speaker 2: Great Rates with none of the bull. So Jannis at

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Speaker 2: Giannis has been hurt. Everybody and their mom in Milwaukee

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Speaker 2: We want a championship. That was great. You know what,

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Speaker 2: They're onto the next brush fire. You know, something else

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news. Turn on

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Speaker 3: If you think Steph Curry is leaving Golden State, We're

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Speaker 3: and the life after him for the NBA. Lebron said

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Speaker 2: Take a listen, look at the league today talent wise.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a number of guys that you can say

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Speaker 8: I think it's going to be a collective of players,

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Speaker 2: It was a collector. There was one that was Kobe.

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Speaker 2: If you had to choose one, I don't know. I

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Speaker 8: I don't think it was. I don't think it was

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Speaker 3: All right, Jason, you know that I don't agree with us.

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Speaker 3: There's who's going to be the next Jordan is Grant Hill,

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Speaker 2: No, you could argue that it's a Lebron Curry league

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Speaker 3: And by the way, Steph is going to last longer

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Speaker 2: Wait you mean you think Career will be in the

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Speaker 3: No, No, I think that he is thirty seven while

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Speaker 2: Like it's this is just like middle February. There's not

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Speaker 3: The ratings are up, by the way, and that's really

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Speaker 3: any player we've ever seen. I just think he is

426
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Speaker 3: the future, and the future is already starting to be here.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Rachel, what if Jylen Brunson wins the title

428
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Speaker 2: this year with the Knicks, and I think that's in play.

429
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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are like, out on

430
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Speaker 2: the next that's fine. Do we put him in the

431
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Speaker 2: face of the league discussion? I mean, undersized guy member

432
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Speaker 2: Steph Curry, how he rose to the top? Jalen Brunson

433
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Speaker 2: is on. You know, he was drafted I think by

434
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Speaker 2: Dallas and now he's in New York and totally thriving.

435
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Speaker 3: To be the face of the league. You can't just

436
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Speaker 3: win one title right. Face of the league is a

437
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 3: larger conversation that requires much more sort of put in

438
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Speaker 3: of equity, of being the best for a long period

439
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Speaker 3: of time. But again, I think that you are look at,

440
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Speaker 3: you already.

441
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Speaker 2: Have a guy.

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Speaker 3: You have a guy in the league who has already

443
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Speaker 3: shown he is exceptional. I believe we've talked about this

444
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Speaker 3: in the show before. He is Wenby is going to

445
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Speaker 3: be a top ten player. Of all time. By the

446
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Speaker 3: time he's done, he could even be a top five

447
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Speaker 3: player of all time by the time he's done. That

448
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Speaker 3: is how firmly I believe in this kid. Look at

449
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Speaker 3: him every off season, all the things he does to

450
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Speaker 3: get better, all the ways his mind works. He's in

451
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Speaker 3: Central Park playing chess. He's doing all the things right,

452
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Speaker 3: and he has the fire he wants to win. I

453
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Speaker 3: think Americans will continue to coalesce around him. He's already

454
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Speaker 3: incredibly popular.

455
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Speaker 2: He basically got the All Star Game to be competitive.

456
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Speaker 3: Single handedly. I mean, this is the guy. He is

457
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Speaker 3: the guy. I'm telling you, he is a guy.

458
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Speaker 2: And we didn't mention Cooper Flag. I think he's got

459
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Speaker 2: a chance to be the guy.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, but he's younger and he's still still getting into it.

461
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Speaker 3: I just, you know, I think Rich is right about

462
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Speaker 3: what happened post Jordan. People kind of don't have the

463
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Speaker 3: hindsight on them. Those of us who live through it,

464
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Speaker 3: we get it. But I don't think it's gonna be

465
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Speaker 3: like that after Michael. I mean after Jordan. I mean

466
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Speaker 3: it's Lebron, same time difference.

467
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Speaker 2: Probably people who think it can't be a European it

468
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Speaker 2: can't be the face of the NBA.

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Speaker 4: Why not.

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Speaker 3: I think it depends on the European totally agree, right,

471
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Speaker 3: everybody's different, yea, so one hundred percent. All right, let's

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Speaker 3: move on. We got Oh sorry, my papers are a

473
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Speaker 3: little shifted here. Let's move on though, to the Cowboys

474
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Speaker 3: introducing new defensive coordinator Christian Parker at the Star. No,

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Speaker 3: remember last year'subacle right under Matt Iberflus, Parker says, Dallas

476
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Speaker 3: is going to try to figure out the defensive strategy

477
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Speaker 3: by I know this is crazy, Jason. I know it's

478
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Speaker 3: crazy evaluating the defensive personality he has and building around

479
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Speaker 3: them as opposed to, of course, installing this game top down.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen.

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Speaker 7: We'll get our head out of the saying at some point,

482
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Speaker 7: but right now we got tunnel vision on building things

483
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Speaker 7: the right way. Of course, you want to have your

484
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Speaker 7: core principles and foundational beliefs, you know, but as you

485
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Speaker 7: kind of move forward in the process, your guys do well,

486
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Speaker 7: how can you put good players in highlighted positions? How

487
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Speaker 7: can you create one on ones for certain guys and

488
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Speaker 7: you can protect certain guys? You know, if we can

489
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Speaker 7: win on blitzes on a running back, then We're gonna

490
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Speaker 7: blitz a lot. You know, if we got good man

491
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Speaker 7: and man corners, we're gonna play man. You know, if

492
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Speaker 7: we have guys that are better with zone vision, we're

493
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Speaker 7: gonna play more zone. So you know, you want to

494
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Speaker 7: build a package that has diversity and scheme, and then

495
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Speaker 7: you want to you know, tailor to the players that

496
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Speaker 7: you have.

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Speaker 3: I love hearing this.

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Speaker 2: What do you think This guy says all the right

499
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Speaker 2: things and he's highly thought of in Dallas. I'm just

500
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 2: looking at their defensive depth chart, Rachel. They don't have

501
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Speaker 2: any dudes. The secondary is among the worst in the league.

502
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Speaker 2: I know it's young, and you know they guys had

503
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Speaker 2: injuries last year. The linebackers, other than overshown, they don't

504
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Speaker 2: grade out well. The defensive line has talent, but I mean,

505
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Speaker 2: unless you're looking at drafting like six defensive guys or

506
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Speaker 2: not re signing Pickens and somehow filling that with a

507
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Speaker 2: big free agent or two, I don't see how they

508
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Speaker 2: turn this defense around that quickly.

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Speaker 3: Just remember that this whole package of defensive personnel and

510
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Speaker 3: the scheme last year and everything else was thrown into

511
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 3: such chaos. Michael Parsons left with less than a week

512
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Speaker 3: before at the beginning of the season. So what they

513
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 3: look like now who they went through the season with

514
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Speaker 3: all of it was a little bit of chaos and

515
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Speaker 3: building on the fly. You have this guy here who Again,

516
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Speaker 3: I I hate it when coordinators came in and they're like,

517
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Speaker 3: this is the scheme we're going to have because your

518
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Speaker 3: personnel might not fit that scheme. And I love that

519
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,239
Speaker 3: he's talking about. I mean, what in Philly it was.

520
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 3: They could do a lot of different things. He wants

521
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Speaker 3: this to be more of a Swiss Army knife defense

522
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 3: and he's going to actually build around the personnel he has,

523
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Speaker 3: and that personnel I think is going to change a

524
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Speaker 3: lot before they take the field for their first game

525
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Speaker 3: next season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're still we still got to see

527
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Speaker 2: what happens in the draft and free agency. But as

528
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Speaker 2: of now, do you where do you have Cowboys in

529
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Speaker 2: that division? I know you're a Washington fan, but the

530
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: comeback is still the Eagles at the top. They have

531
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Speaker 2: a lot of questions. Yeah, people like what Harball means

532
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Speaker 2: to the Giants and Jaden Daniels will presume it will

533
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Speaker 2: be healthy. I mean there's a world where Dallas is

534
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Speaker 2: for it. In the division.

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Speaker 3: Look, the bar for the Dallas Cowboys to be successful

536
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: is very low. Right now, you're sitting here being like, oh, well,

537
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 3: the Eagles are on top and Washington stet to make

538
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Speaker 3: a comeback of Jayden's healthy. Let's not talk about their

539
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Speaker 3: super Bowl chances, right, Okay, we don't even talk about that.

540
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Speaker 2: Playoffs, right right?

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Speaker 3: Make the playoffs? We I means that will be a

542
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Speaker 3: success there, regardless of what Jerry Jones says, that will

543
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Speaker 3: actually be a success for the fans. Yeah, I don't know.

544
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Speaker 3: All right, Let's get to our third story and go

545
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Speaker 3: over to the Cardinals. Mike LeFleur noncommittal about Kyler Murray's

546
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Speaker 3: future in Arizona. Lafleur said he had quote no timeline

547
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Speaker 3: even for making a quarterback decision. So really the question,

548
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Speaker 3: I think we all know they're shopping him, right, Jason,

549
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Speaker 3: So what value do you think he has around the league?

550
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Speaker 2: So it's interesting I kind of was digging deep into

551
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Speaker 2: this situation, and like teams, that makes sense, right, we

552
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 2: would agree Kyler Murray's not going to be playing outdoors

553
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: in a division where there's snow and poor weather, So

554
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Speaker 2: I think the market shrinks automatically for that. But when

555
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: I was saying earlier, like Sam Darnold was a top

556
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Speaker 2: five pick, rehabbed his career, Daniel Jones was a top

557
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: ten pick, rehabbed his career, Baker Mayfield top five pick,

558
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Speaker 2: Kyler did go one. There is talent there. I mean,

559
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: Minnesota's got a smart guy, Kevin O'Connell leading the way. Yeah,

560
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: the problem is, you know, you do have to go

561
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: outdoors to Green Bay in Chicago. Is it still worth

562
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: taking a chance on Kyler Murray playing indoors with I

563
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: mean Justin Jefferson, that's not bad. But then again, Kyler

564
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 2: couldn't thrive with Marvin Harrison and Treatment Bride, So I

565
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: mean it feels like he's definitely out of Arizona. But

566
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Speaker 2: I mean maybe there's a whirld where they're like, we

567
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Speaker 2: have no takers, we don't want to take the cap hit,

568
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Speaker 2: We'll just start him and we're going to suck anyway.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, that cap hit is significant. Yeah,

570
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Speaker 3: the cap hit is fifty two million. The guaranteed salary

571
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Speaker 3: is like thirty six million. You know, if you're the Vikings,

572
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Speaker 3: if you're one of these other teams, I think the

573
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Speaker 3: question is how much does he cost right? If you

574
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Speaker 3: cost a third round pick, I mean there's a point.

575
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Speaker 3: If you do have the cap room, then you maybe

576
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Speaker 3: take a flyer. It's kind of like in the NBA

577
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Speaker 3: with the Wizards with Anthony Davis. He costs them so

578
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 3: little it doesn't matter if he only plays fifty games.

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Speaker 2: Yea.

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Speaker 3: If Kyler Murray costs you a lot in terms of

581
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Speaker 3: a trade, or it costs you a lot because of

582
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Speaker 3: your salary situation and you don't have the room for him,

583
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Speaker 3: then it's not worth it to take a flyer on him.

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Speaker 3: If it doesn't cost you much, maybe you'd give a.

585
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Speaker 2: Shy So what if it couldna cost you a lot?

586
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Speaker 2: And they say we want to pick in addition to Kyler.

587
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 2: You know we're going to give you a third I

588
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: need a fourth two And.

589
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: You say back, good luck with that. We wish you

590
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 3: the best.

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Speaker 2: The problem is Arizona has a lot of guys. I

592
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: liked to running back Connor McBride's awesome Harrison Wilson. They

593
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: got guys everywhere.

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Speaker 3: Look, it might be worth it to them to not

595
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 3: get a lot in trade, but just get the cap relief.

596
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: And just kind of punt and start over like Denver

597
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: did with Russell Wilson. Yeah, the problem is they had

598
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Speaker 2: bo Nix to draft Arizona. Does it? Maybe they can.

599
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: Maybe Lafloor loves what he sees in kid Club Nick

600
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: and that's his third round target.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, he is the type of guy that

602
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Speaker 3: I can see wanting to develop his own quarterback. Right

603
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: if you look at the tree, he comes from the

604
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan gang and all of that, and Sean McVay.

605
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Speaker 3: I can certainly see him looking at Kyler Murray and saying,

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Speaker 3: you know what, I'd rather take my chances with having

607
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Speaker 3: my own guy and building him from the ground up. Again, though,

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Speaker 3: I think it really depends on what they can get

609
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Speaker 3: for them and who wants to take him on, and

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Speaker 3: whether that cap hit is just going to be too

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Speaker 3: much for them.

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Speaker 2: I know, you know the NBA very well. I guess

613
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Speaker 2: it was Darryl Morey who subscribed to this five percent time.

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Speaker 2: If you think you got a five percent chance and

615
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: you got to go in the town, you got to go.

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Speaker 2: If not, maybe you just punt and look at the division. Rachel.

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Speaker 2: They're not overtaking the Rams. No, Seattle just won the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Yeah, the forty nine ers. I just saw

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Speaker 2: that they have the most travel in the NFL history

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Speaker 2: next season, but they're still going to be good. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so you don't really have a chance. So maybe you

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Speaker 2: just say, we move off Kyler. We're going to be

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Speaker 2: terrible next year and we're playing honestly for twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: Like that's not the worst idea in the world.

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Speaker 3: I mean, how they get Kyler in their first place.

626
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Speaker 3: I had a rotten season the season before, and we

627
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Speaker 3: all knew, and we all knew what was.

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Speaker 2: Gonna happen at the end of Oh yeah, all right,

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Speaker 2: Rachel with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks

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Speaker 2: for stopping by the Herd Line news. Right, there's a

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Speaker 2: big time NFL defensive player who's chirping a lot. Sounds

632
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Speaker 2: like he could be joining forces with one of his

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Speaker 2: star friends. We'll talk about that next year on The Herd.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the NFL and the Las

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Speaker 2: Vegas Raiders. So I have never really been like a

642
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: huge Raiders fan outside of a like an eight minute

643
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: span when they had Bo Jackson back in the day.

644
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Speaker 2: But moving out here to LA you know, you've been

645
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: out here a wow, A lot of Raiders fans, lots

646
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: of them, including on the staff of the show. So

647
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: I this whole Max Crosby thing has caught me by surprise.

648
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: If you guys have followed my takes over the years,

649
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: you know, I'm I think loyalty is garbage in sports.

650
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: I just I'm not a believer in that. Sorry, these

651
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: are businesses. The owners don't care about the players. It's

652
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: all about the bottom line. That's the reality. Okay, that's

653
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: just how it is. I know you don't want to

654
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: believe that. That's the reality of sports. We like to

655
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: say there's loyalty, but come on, Okay, if you're not

656
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: a star and you're not delivering, you're out, Like that's

657
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: just how it goes. So I'm kind of torn on Crosby.

658
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: If you followed my take on TJ Watt two years ago,

659
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: I said, the Pittsburgh Steelers are going nowhere. I know TJ.

660
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: Watt is the heartbeat of this team. They should trade

661
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: him and get whatever they can and start the rebuild.

662
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: They didn't do that. Watt still has zero career playoff wins,

663
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, now Steelers fans are like,

664
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: well maybe we move off. What should have done it

665
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: two years ago? Miles Garrett. Last year, I was like,

666
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: holy hell, this team's looking I would trade Garrett. I

667
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: would get a whole I would get multiple picks. U

668
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: Miles Garret go to any contender. He could maybe win

669
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl. Browns Now that's our guy. We gotta

670
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: keep Miles Garrett. Now he breaks a sack record. Awesome news,

671
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: wonderful season. They're drafted at the top again. They're going nowhere.

672
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: By the way, shout out to Miles Garrett and his

673
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: girlfriend for the Olympics success. Chloe Kim. Another great story

674
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: which brings us to Max Crosby. They're not going anywhere,

675
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: The Raiders are not winning anything next year. Why wouldn't

676
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: you just trade Max Crosby. I mean, I've gone back

677
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: and forth on this. I'm like, he is the heartbeat

678
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: of the team. So I said that, and somebody said, well,

679
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: maybe they need a heart transplant, and that's Fernando Mendoza.

680
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: And that's not a bad dake because Mendoza is totally different.

681
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: But I'm want to drill down on Crosby for another

682
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: second year huge Raiders fan on staff, he reminded me,

683
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: Max Crosby's got like Raiders tattoos on his body. He

684
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: is a Raider. Yet when he came on the show

685
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: super Bowl Week, he had the opportunity to say I'm

686
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: a Raider, I want to be a Raider, Raider for life.

687
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: I want to be here. He said none of that.

688
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: He hemmed it hard and sat on the fence. Well,

689
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: you know what they say, Pooper, get off the pot

690
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: and Max, it's time to just come out and do it.

691
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: Pull the band aid off. So what there's going to

692
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: be a small term where a lot of Raiders fans

693
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: are angry at you and they send you dms. Who cares?

694
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: We just did with this with Giannis. You're never gonna

695
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: please everybody, Okay, make yourself happy. And so Crosby went

696
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: on a podcast this week, the uh Let's Go Podcast,

697
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 2: to talk about his future in Vegas. Listen to this.

698
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: Everyone split me up. Did you say this? Did you?

699
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 9: It's I can't control that. You earned that as a player.

700
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 9: You know, if I wasn't doing the right things, and

701
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 9: if I wasn't the person and player I was, you know,

702
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 9: people wouldn't be talking about all the nonsense. But that's

703
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 9: what comes with it. I really don't care what everybody

704
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Speaker 9: has to say.

705
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: I used to a lot as.

706
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Speaker 9: A young guy. I really don't give a day. People

707
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,239
Speaker 9: could have their own opinions. I know what's going on.

708
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 9: I know my truth, and I don't need to sit

709
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 9: here and keep, you know, rehashing it to people that

710
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 9: don't know what's going on. So I don't even I

711
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 9: don't even waste time with it.

712
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: Really, you've had multiple opportunities to speak your truth. Sounds

713
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: like a TikTok influencer, and you haven't done it. And again,

714
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 2: I know Max has upset me because I'd said he

715
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: wasn't a top five defensive end ed rusher in the league.

716
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: He is only twenty eight, two times second team All Pro.

717
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 2: He's elite. He's top seven ED rusher in the league.

718
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: He's twenty nine in August, still got some prime years

719
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 2: ahead of him, but Max come out and say, guys,

720
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 2: can you trade me?

721
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 7: Now?

722
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: It got ugly last season. The Raiders were like, hey,

723
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: we ain't going nowhere. We got to lock up that

724
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: number one pick. Let's get our good guys sitting out.

725
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: They say Crosby's got to sit out. They sidelined him,

726
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: said he was hurt. How did Max Crosby respond? He

727
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: went to his like his I don't know if this

728
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: is like a basketball court at his house, whatever you

729
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: want to call it. He started shooting jumpers. Is that

730
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: not a big middle figure to the franchise? Shut me down? Now,

731
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: he did end up having to have some kind of surgery,

732
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: so maybe he needed to be shut down. But that

733
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: apparently didn't go over well. And depending on what Raider

734
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: fan you talk to, there is some headbutting, shall we say,

735
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: going on within the organization, and he doesn't like it

736
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: and he wants out. Maybe he doesn't want to reset.

737
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: But this is where it gets interesting. He's leaving all

738
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: these breadcrumbs without leaving, without saying what he really wants.

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00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 2: Just say it bro here, he is Max Crosby. Guess

740
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: who he's praising out there in the world. Wouldn't you

741
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: know it? Caleb Williams.

742
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 9: Just to be open and honest, bro, like we talked

743
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 9: about it earlier, but respect at at a different level. Bro,

744
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 9: you're one of those guys for sure, and you're just

745
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 9: getting started.

746
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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 9: You know, I don't even know you understand yet how

748
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 9: good you can be. And that's the scariest part, you

749
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 9: know what I mean. Just keep that mindset, keep doing

750
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 9: what you're doing.

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00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: Damn. Sounds like a bromance is emergent between Caleb Williams

752
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: and Max Crosby. And now one of these writers at

753
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 2: ESPN speculates, well, what about a Raiders Bears trade? Send

754
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: Max Crosby to the Bears, and the Bears will send

755
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, Dj Moore, who's gonna be done in

756
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: Chicago very soon soon, DJ Moore and a number one

757
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: pick to the Raiders. That seems like a slam dunk. Now,

758
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: I don't know why the Raiders wouldn't start entertaining or

759
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 2: shopping him, get everybody to drive up the price. And

760
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: I think part of that has to do and I'm

761
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: guessing here speculation on the Raiders part is they have

762
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 2: a new guy coming in in Fernando Mendoza. And I'm

763
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: on record I freaking love this guy. My Jets don't

764
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: know how to tank. Clueless organization should have had Mendoza,

765
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: and you got all these drafts guys coming out. I

766
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: don't know about Mendoza. Well, guys, did you watch Mendoza?

767
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: Have you listened to him speak? Have you been on

768
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: his LinkedIn page?

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00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 6: I have.

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Speaker 2: It's impressive. This guy is everything you want a quarterback.

771
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: He's everything you want to name. If he's dating your daughter, Mendoza,

772
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: that's a win. This guy's going places. He's a leader.

773
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: But I think it would probably help to have Max

774
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 2: in the locker room, right, Max, show him the ropes,

775
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: a true raider. Hey man, I'm tatted up with the Raiders. Mendoza,

776
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: Can you be that guy? I think it's gonna take

777
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: some time. Now. I'm not drawing a direct parallel, and

778
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: I know some people will disagree, but there was a

779
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: lot of stuff. When Mike McDaniel goes to the Dolphins. Oh,

780
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 2: he's a nerdy guy from Yale. Listen to the way

781
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: he talks at Prescotty. He's not winning over a locker room.

782
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: He got the Dolphins of the playoffs twice, didn't mess

783
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 2: with everybody, but he had two at his best season

784
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: of his career at McDaniel. He's a smart guy. I

785
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: thought he was successful in Miami. They didn't win any

786
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 2: playoff games. Hey, it's tough to win playoff games in

787
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: the AFC. But I do believe there is a world

788
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: where smart, level headed individuals can succeed. I think Mendoza will,

789
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: But I do wonder if those two are gonna be

790
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: copasetic in the locker room. I don't know. So here's

791
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 2: Mendoza on our show Super Bowl, and again I love

792
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: this guy. Here he is. Listen to him talking about

793
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: the Raiders in the NFL.

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00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 9: I think a cush er not.

795
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 5: Want to let my teammates down. And I always trust

796
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 5: my offensive lineman and I know that if I sit

797
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 5: in the pocket and I deliver a strike, not only

798
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 5: is it gonna deflate the defense, it's also gonna inspire

799
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 5: my team. Wow, Fernato could get back up and deliver

800
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 5: the next play. Oh, that's something we want to play with.

801
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 5: That's something we want to play for. When it was

802
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 5: a Penn State game, the Oregon or the National championship,

803
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 5: whenever it was the high pressure moments, it was that

804
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 5: cal experience where we won some close games, and we

805
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 5: also lost some close games. Like the NFL, the margins

806
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 5: are very very small, and it kind of gave me

807
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 5: that experience to help the Indiana Hoosiers go six in

808
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 5: and off.

809
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: Listen to this game. He's a college kid, so I'm

810
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: just gonna he graduated from two business schools. Okay, the

811
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: guy's doing big time internships in the summer. He is

812
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: a dream quarterback for the Raiders. I'm a little surprised

813
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: Crosby wants something to do with him, But Crosby has

814
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 2: bigger fish to fry. Now. I don't know if it

815
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: was this morning or yesterday or whatever, but Adam Schefter

816
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: came out and said that the Raiders are looking for

817
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 2: a Micah Parsons type package for Max Crosby. That leads

818
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: me to believe they are shopping him and he's going

819
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: to the highest bidder. Okay, you can't be. I'm a

820
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: Raider for life. I'm tatted up with the Raiders and

821
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 2: then demand I want to go to Chicago or I

822
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 2: want to go to this contender. Raiders are going to

823
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: send you wherever They're going to get the best offer. Now,

824
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: my guess is that's to a team with a quarterback

825
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: on a rookie deal. I don't think there's a way

826
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: Buffalo could pull it off. But man, you know, Buffalo

827
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: could certainly use him opposite Bosa, assuming they bring him back.

828
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 2: But Chicago makes a ton of sense, Rachel, your Washington commanders,

829
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: Yes they do. I mean Dan Quinn could work wonders

830
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: with Max Crosby. I mean, I'm any other rookie quarterbacks.

831
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: I'm missing Drake May in New England. I think he's

832
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: talked about Vrabel don't. This is tough, though. I don't

833
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: believe in loyalty in sports. You may be different. You've

834
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: been covering sports for a while. What would you do

835
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: with Crosby?

836
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: I mean, look, he says I know my truth right,

837
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 3: and you're upset. You're like, say your truth. You've had

838
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 3: lots of chances to say your truth. He doesn't know you,

839
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: Jason McIntyre his truth right. He and the Raiders are

840
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 3: talking about whatever the truth is. Maybe he wouldn't mind

841
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 3: going somewhere else, but isn't demanding to go somewhere else.

842
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 3: I think it would be great for the Raiders if

843
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: they could keep him and help sort of bridge the

844
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 3: gap with Mendoza. Who I also, by the way, I

845
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 3: love this kid. He is going to be great in

846
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 3: the locker room. I mean, the first thing he said

847
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 3: to you guys at the Super Bowl was I don't

848
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: want to let my teammates down. I know it's a cliche,

849
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: but I got to tell you, guys love hearing that,

850
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 3: and think about all the big stars that sentence never

851
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: comes out of their mouth. So I think I think

852
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 3: he will be very popular in that locker room right away.

853
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: I think he is a natural leader. I don't think

854
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 3: if Max leaves, I don't think that it's going to

855
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 3: be a terrible struggle for the Raiders, but it would

856
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 3: be much better. To your point, because they're not trying

857
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Speaker 3: to It's not They're not going to win a lot

858
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 3: either way. But I do think that Max being there

859
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 3: will be a great handoff. It's just a matter of again,

860
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Speaker 3: I mean, we want to make these decisions in black

861
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: and white in February. I think they have to know

862
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Speaker 3: what's the package they're being offered. Of Course, someone says

863
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Speaker 3: to after we want to Mark, but Michael Parsons like passage.

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Speaker 2: I do too, we all do.

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Speaker 3: Let's see what they actually get offered. Let's see where

866
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 3: he might actually go. That may influence how much he

867
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: wants to go or not right. And you know, is

868
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 3: there bad blood from the whole basketball and the injury

869
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: and the sit to tank and all of that, or

870
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Speaker 3: is it they have ever worn over it by March?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, and I also could be wrong. I

872
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: just struggle with the idea that a rookie quarterback is

873
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Speaker 2: going to come in and lead a locker room. Now,

874
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Speaker 2: it did happen kind of with Caleb Williams in Chicago

875
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Speaker 2: or not really the first year. I mean the coach

876
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: it was a disaster. Jaden Daniels in Washington was pretty successful. Absolutely,

877
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Speaker 2: they did have a veteran coach and Dan Quinn. I

878
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: mean the Raiders have a first time head coach right

879
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: in Kubiak. So, I mean a lot of factors are

880
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: at play.

881
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: Is he going to lead the locker room the way

882
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 3: Tom Brady did? Is his height with the Patriots? No,

883
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: he's not going to do that in his first year.

884
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: But he's he going to be well liked and like Jayden,

885
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: have people believe in him. Absolutely? I think this kid, Look,

886
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 3: we never know on the field, injuries everything else. Sometimes

887
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 3: it's not the right fit. But I think this kid

888
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: has all of the stuff in terms of the intangibles,

889
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 3: in terms of the off the field stuff. When you

890
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 3: talk about leadership in the locker room, guys believing in him,

891
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 3: wanting to go to the map for him, I think

892
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 3: this kid has it all.

893
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be interesting. When you think Vegas the city

894
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: Max Crosby, you know, sharing cool guy works. You think Mendoza,

895
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think Vegas. But that's not a bad thing,

896
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Speaker 2: is it.

897
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Speaker 3: I mean, maybe the hangover type Vegas is a lot

898
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 3: that isn't just the tourists who come there. By the

899
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Speaker 3: way and in Neveda someone you know, someone with that name.

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Speaker 3: I think it's gonna go well, all.

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