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Speaker 1: suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two Patriots Unfiltered Draft Show. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft, all right, Welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It

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Speaker 1: is the Draft Extravaganza day too, and the whole Patriots

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Speaker 1: Unfiltered gang is here. We're on video, so you know,

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Speaker 1: being your best behavior. Boys, boys, pay attention. I'm there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a quiz. I'm paying attention. No, we're multitasking. No,

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Speaker 1: but we are. We are here until ten o'clock, but

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Speaker 1: on video until eight o'clock because you know, the NFL

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Speaker 1: can't cut into the broadcast too much, too much sexy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they don't want us, they don't want us

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Speaker 1: taken away. Sure, and it's definitely true that the second

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Speaker 1: hour of the draft on NFL Network and ESPN is

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Speaker 1: the high you're rated. That's right after they leave us.

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Speaker 1: But it's Mike do So, it's Samara Brown, it's Eric Scalavino,

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Speaker 1: Paul Parolo, myself, Matt Morrel's in the booth. I don't

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Speaker 1: He's Spider Man. So so let's get right into it. Um,

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Speaker 1: the Patriots have a pick and round two, the twenty

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Speaker 1: you have a bold prediction that you told me about

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Speaker 1: off air. Oh do you several? Several? I want you

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Speaker 1: to share your bold prediction today. I said they're gonna

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Speaker 1: probably trade up. I'm gonna move up. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: Freddy's calling it. I like it. Yeah, I like it too.

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Speaker 1: who we're moving up for. Well, let's you know, before

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Speaker 1: you know there's probably some unfinished business because you know,

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Speaker 1: the Patriots picked in our show kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: came to an end, or some would say a screeching halt.

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Speaker 1: You were so upset you wouldn't even let the last

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Speaker 1: UM got to meet him today. He came into the

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Speaker 1: It looks like they're stringing somebody up. It's the only sacrifice.

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Speaker 1: I was with Tamara once. Once Jermaine Johnson started falling

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Speaker 1: but I want the majority of the players on defense. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So they gotta take a wide receiver, right, Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: I mean every single So you don't like Watson tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: Christian I take back everything I just said. Wow, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, if they don't bite when they're puppies, they

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Speaker 1: of me for this, but because I'm not saying it

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Speaker 1: because of Cole Strange honestly, but I'd be more willing

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Speaker 1: up and if I don't show up, it's gonna say

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Speaker 1: a lot. And if I do show up, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: say a lot as well. So he was well aware

424
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Speaker 1: of that. And a guy, a guy that I really like,

425
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Speaker 1: um from them is is Pascal who's another versatile front

426
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 1: kind of guy, almost a poor man's trivon Walker. Um

427
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Speaker 1: but he but you know, he held his own against

428
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Speaker 1: that guy, and he should probably go here in the

429
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 1: second round as well. Yeah. The more I think about

430
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Speaker 1: the strange pick, I I think back to like the

431
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Speaker 1: last two solid, like really high quality guards they had

432
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:36,160
Speaker 1: were Joe Tooney, Shack Mason, third round, fourth round, high

433
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Speaker 1: caliber starting guards that were picked in the third and

434
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Speaker 1: fourth round. So this guy better be Logan Mankins like

435
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Speaker 1: perennial pro bowler. I mean, it's high expectations when you're

436
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Speaker 1: a first round pick. But at that position especially, there's

437
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Speaker 1: nobody in front of him. What is he not gonna

438
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: come in? Yeah and beat up Ferren's all right, he's

439
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 1: gonna start, yeah, but I mean but I mean, not

440
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 1: just start, but he better be really good. Yea for

441
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: a long time to justify it. How well, how did

442
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: you guys the Titans? The Tennessee Titans select Roy that's

443
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 1: a good one too, And that's a he's a good

444
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 1: Patriot kind of fit. Same thing. It's that, you know,

445
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: next level cornerbacks. But plenty of Patriots guys on him.

446
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Speaker 1: McQuary off the board. So now the Jets are on

447
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,120
Speaker 1: the clock. So the Jets traded with the Giants. Huh yeah,

448
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 1: who could they be going up to get? I mean

449
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 1: they're being aggressive though, got to give him credit aggressive

450
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: and the Lions and the Lions both of them. Yeah, yeah,

451
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: but the Jets have had good drafts before. So I

452
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Speaker 1: was gonna ask you, guys, what was your opinion or

453
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Speaker 1: impression of of Logan Mankins when he came in as

454
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Speaker 1: a rookie in training camp when you first kind of

455
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 1: got to look at I thought he was going to

456
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Speaker 1: be a tackle, because that's what he was at Fresno State.

457
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Speaker 1: And Bill had always said, you know, we wouldn't take

458
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Speaker 1: a guard in the first round. So I was really

459
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Speaker 1: surprised that he turned into a guard. But he was

460
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Speaker 1: a dominant guard from day one. But and and and

461
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Speaker 1: I just remember or from the start, I think the

462
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: thing on Logan Mankins was he's gonna be good, Like

463
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Speaker 1: there was no question I thought when they picked. And

464
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Speaker 1: that was also exactly where he was supposed to get picked, right.

465
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Speaker 1: He was an end of the first round guy. Yeah,

466
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: that's another like miss nomer with some of these guys.

467
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: His people say, well, Bill does this all the time,

468
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Speaker 1: and he's always right. No, No, he doesn't do it

469
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Speaker 1: like people have this notion that mccordy wasn't supposed to

470
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Speaker 1: be a first round pick. He absolutely was the und

471
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Speaker 1: he was an end of the first early second round projection. Yeah,

472
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Speaker 1: and that's where he went and everybody's like, oh, another

473
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Speaker 1: diamond in the rough for Bill from Rutger, Like, no

474
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Speaker 1: one saw this one coming. It's not it's not what happened. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think what happened with mccordy is somebody said, oh,

476
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Speaker 1: he's a four down player and everybody said, oh, we

477
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Speaker 1: got a special team or in the first round. Ye, no,

478
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Speaker 1: he plays on four downs, right, Yeah, that's one of

479
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Speaker 1: the rare times I remember Chalise coming at me. I

480
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: never really got into that. Those on a twisting matches

481
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Speaker 1: if you will, um, but yeah, that was that was

482
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: one like that fort front know, how do you feel

483
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: about him dropping a special teamer in the first round?

484
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: That was like, how she was? You clap back at her?

485
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: I did. I think it did a little bit, But respectfully,

486
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: I never was. I mean some of the some of

487
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: the stuff Tater today, I'm like, dude, you guys got

488
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: a log off and not take this so seriously. Like

489
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: people living in pis like, come on, it's football. There's

490
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: a lot going on in the world, right round all right,

491
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on in the world. Now. From

492
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Speaker 1: the guy who we had a blog, a fun little hobby.

493
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Speaker 1: It was a tastefully done Hobby five five Pats five

494
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Speaker 1: hundred is the A Sticket hot line. Web radio at

495
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: Patriots dot com is the email address in case you

496
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Speaker 1: want to participate in the show. We've got a couple

497
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: of callers hanging on. Let's go to Michael and Sacramento.

498
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: You know, Sacramento, that's up north. It's kind of the capital. Backdown.

499
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Speaker 1: What's up, Mike, Hey, ladies, it's Element, Children of a

500
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Speaker 1: Children of all ages. I'm enjoying your show. By the way,

501
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: I'm a former Ukrainian, so forgive my accent. I don't know. Yeah,

502
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna talk politics, but not the same politics

503
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: that you don't have in mind. I want to talk

504
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: about football politics a little bit. Um. You know, I've

505
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 1: I've watched Patriots draft for twenty plus years as Bill

506
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: has been there. And one thing, a lot of people

507
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: came and go the people who who are assisting him

508
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: with a draft. But that's a fact. But the draft

509
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: strategy seems to be the same. It seems like they're

510
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: always picking the players that are consistent with a particular strategy.

511
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Speaker 1: To me, and that's a question, I'm not making a

512
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Speaker 1: statement to me that means that Bill is the ultimate

513
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: decider who gets picked. So regardless who brings information, he

514
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Speaker 1: might agreeing him a disagree, but he's the one who

515
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: makes the calls. Would you agree with that? Yeah, yeah,

516
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: we would, ye, wholehearted. Okay. So, and so there's nobody

517
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: else who can really say that. You know, Bill, you

518
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: know this is not the guy or this is the

519
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: concern And oh no, I'm not saying that. There can

520
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: be disagreements, and Bill's mind can be changed, but the

521
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's his decision, his decision. Yep,

522
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: that's I always want. And so this is bringing me

523
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: to the question, is that again I'm observing the historical record.

524
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,719
Speaker 1: I have noticed that he has been very good at

525
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: finding value. Value in rounds four to seven, even undrafted.

526
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm talking to speaking value. Yeah, when it comes to

527
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Speaker 1: rounds one to two, maybe three in a hidden miss.

528
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Speaker 1: That's my observation, subjective observation. Okay. Now, another thing that

529
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Speaker 1: I take as effect. He calls draft crap shoot. And

530
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Speaker 1: what's interesting that you would think that crap usually starts

531
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Speaker 1: later rounds three to seven, O seven, That's when it

532
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: gets more crappy, more certain. It's most certainty early on

533
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: in rounds one to two, when you see more players

534
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: in the big stage. She was singing rounds one to

535
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: two or three, it should be less of a crap

536
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: shoot and more of a crap shoot down the road.

537
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Speaker 1: Why is it almost reversed for us? Well, I think

538
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: that's an opinion, you know. I think I think overall,

539
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: like every team is let's hear what running back running

540
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: back off the wa It's like every time I listen

541
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: to this, they're like they're just subsolutely flabbergasted with every pick. Um.

542
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: But back to your question, you know, I think every

543
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: team has had some swings and misses in the first round.

544
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: But I think overall, Bill when he takes a guy

545
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Speaker 1: in the first round, the guy's usually good. Now when

546
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, you know he's had some misses, he's had

547
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: he's been really good in the first round. Like everything

548
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: else lately, it's been a little hit and miss. Yeah,

549
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: But in the second round, particularly when they take those

550
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: defensive bats, he's they've had some issues. Yeah. I just

551
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: I think every like pick is kind of its own thing,

552
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: and people want to put it into a box of like, well,

553
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: don't ever draft a right guard in round two if

554
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: it falls on a Sunday you know, in the third

555
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: like it just gets so random like so, but I

556
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Speaker 1: will say that I will say that I think that

557
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: there's connections though, I mean, do you really think like

558
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: like he's got a blind spot for ex position? He

559
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: can't say, I can't really find I think that he

560
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: overthinks it. I think that they try to zig when

561
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: other teams when the rest of the league is sagging.

562
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: I think the more athleticism required for a position, the

563
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: less app to he is to do it because he

564
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Speaker 1: looks for everything. Yeah, I think you're overthinking it thought.

565
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Speaker 1: I agree, right, you know, it's got to be a

566
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Speaker 1: guy that fits a lot of different you know, buckets

567
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: for the Patriots to be drafted higher, and sometimes that

568
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: the gates the athleticism because well, football is in is

569
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Speaker 1: important to him because you know he did this or

570
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: that he did that or yeah. In that regard, I

571
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: go back to feeling like he was raised at Navy

572
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: and was around a lot of Navy could you know players,

573
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Speaker 1: And I still kind of see that in the players

574
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: he takes that he takes the kind of guys that

575
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: will go to a service academy, sometimes literally to a

576
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: service academy, but those kind of guys who who oftentimes

577
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: are not the greatest athletes, but they're the kind of

578
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: guys that you can tell go run through a wall

579
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Speaker 1: in there and they're gonna try. Hey, thanks for the

580
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: job called Mike, appreciate it. But I just have trouble

581
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: Jalen Pete say. I like him as a player. He's

582
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: a good player. I mean, the Patriots didn't really need

583
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: a safety, but I like him. Um, I feel like

584
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting something. No. I agree with your we're talking

585
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: to your premise about Bill. Sometimes I think trying to

586
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: overthink a little bit. And what I would say, Mike

587
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: to answer your question is not that I necessarily think

588
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: that there's something he can't but I do think that

589
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: there have been some trends in the league that I

590
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: think he's been slow to adjust two and one of

591
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: those involves sort of the spreading out in the I'm

592
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: gonna try to say proliferation of the passing game. It's

593
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Speaker 1: one of those phases I would write it. Yeah, I can't,

594
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: I can't speak, and I think that that makes it

595
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: tough for him. Like I think, I don't think it's

596
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: coincidence that he's taking the fewest amount of wide receivers

597
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: in the time that he's been in the league because

598
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't value the position as much as other people do.

599
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: It's pretty clear over the last five, eight, ten years,

600
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Speaker 1: wide receivers are more important than yeah, oh yeah, right then,

601
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: but you know, but then when he does take one, yeah,

602
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: it hasn't really one like in the first round, to

603
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: Fred's point, the second round cornerback, I can give you

604
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: a half dozen, right, he took one wide receiver in

605
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: the first round and it didn't work one, Like I don't.

606
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a referendum. One. He can't pick

607
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. Well, but he's picked like you know,

608
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: Dobson was the second rounder Jackson, Shad Jackson, I mean,

609
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: and who's the other kind? But now you're going back

610
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: fifteen years, like right now, wide receiver is a position

611
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: I think you have to have. Right, the value of

612
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: wide receiver has gone way up, way up because the

613
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Speaker 1: need for them. You know, it's it's well and everything

614
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: you're saying it makes it sound I mean and rightly,

615
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: so it seems like it's pushing him farther away from

616
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: it of saying I just have to try to develop

617
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: guys from within. Well, it's it's almost he's being a

618
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: little stubborn. It's like, yes, you know almost, Well, like

619
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Speaker 1: I want to be a coach, you know, I want

620
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: to I want to form a team and you know,

621
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Speaker 1: have you know, eleven guys playing together. And when you

622
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: have high end talent like wide receiver, they don't need

623
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Speaker 1: the coaching as much. You know, they might need to

624
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: be shown how to be a professional, but in terms

625
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: of like just beating out the guy that's matched up

626
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: with them, they they just have that type of talent.

627
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: But I mean, like, but like Randy Moss was a

628
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: supremely gifted talent who loved like being when he first

629
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: got here, was always talking about like how he coached,

630
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: he was coaching other players, and he was the unicorn, right,

631
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: He's the guy like Bill always says it. You know,

632
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: it's like Lawrence Taylor, you know Tom Brady. Randy Moss

633
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: was that guy for him, Tom, this is what we

634
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: need to do, you know, Like there's very few players

635
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: that can do that with Tom Brady. Like I know

636
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: that Bill sometimes speaks in hyperbole, like no one works

637
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: harder than Patrick Chong. The way Bill spoke about Randy

638
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: Moss's aptitude for football was different then other guys. It

639
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: was like like the way he talked about Ed Reid

640
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: at safety. Yeah, you know, some people see everything, and

641
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: Randy Moss was that rare guy who had top flight,

642
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: exceptional physical skills to go with the mind for the game.

643
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: And that's what Bill's looking forward. But he's also taken

644
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: a lot of swings on former first round peace receivers

645
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: and like the first round picks period. Yeah, all decisions,

646
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: which I think is a great thing to do. That's

647
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: that's the thing that Bill does all and almost none

648
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: of them have hit. But I think, what are you losing? Yeah,

649
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: what do you have to lose? You take a guy

650
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: on a second contract who flamed David Terrell, he brought

651
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: in here for a look, Jonathan Sullivan, the old defensive lineman. Um,

652
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying there's a million guys, a million former first

653
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: round picks, and you know, the most you know, doctor

654
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: Starworth worked a little bit. Yeah, you know, he gave

655
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: him a little juice, But for the most part, those

656
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: guys don't work. But I love the fact that he

657
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: does it. I think because this talent there. But you think,

658
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's a smart guy who thinks

659
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: about things, and I just wonder, are they trying to

660
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: evolve in a certain direction. I felt like in recent

661
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: seasons they were trying to evolve towards power running game.

662
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: You know that that that seemed like the active shift

663
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: in the philosophy. Yeah, let's go to Vinnie and Chelmsford.

664
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: Who's been holding on? What's up? Vinnie? Are you guys

665
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: fans good? How are you doing? I'm all right, Vitty.

666
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: I can't stand this draft. I don't know how you

667
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: feel about it. That was the best pick he's ever made.

668
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: Would you were talking to Fredding? Come on, come on,

669
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: He's running right. Everybody else is running left. I know,

670
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: Chas and Checkers, I know, I get it, Vinnie, I know,

671
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: but right is into traffic and left is in the freeway.

672
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: And then that little pre boy put out. Now, oh whoa.

673
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: Well we were very highly made. I'm glad, but I'm

674
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: glad Vinnie brought that up because we haven't talked about it.

675
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: What do you guys think of Sean McVeigh? Yeah, I

676
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: think he was making fun of us. What do you think, Vinny,

677
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: do you think he was making fun of the ill?

678
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: Pack him down? Had shame it padding this little model

679
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: girl friend tending back to the West coast, all those

680
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: little shifties. Awesome, awesome, all right? What else he got, Benny,

681
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: we gotta take in second round? You like him in

682
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: the second round, all right? He says, thanks Benny, who

683
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: did the thought? Arnold? Thank you Eric for it was

684
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: like Arnold E. It's like when we had Albert, oh

685
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: last year, Albert two years ago into the sauce wants

686
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: the punter says, he's good for two wins a year.

687
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: As much as I wanted to continue my outrage of

688
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: when I watched that video of Sean McVay, uh, once

689
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: I heard that, it seemed more like he was kind

690
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: of laughing at their cells, like we spent all this

691
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: time when this guy we're thinking we might have a

692
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: shot at him, and we don't like I don't know

693
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: when I first saw without sound, it totally comes across

694
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: as disrespectful to the Patriot. But I kind of agree

695
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: with you, I don't I the reaction as soon as

696
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: the pick was like what they were laughing? They were?

697
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't like, oh, but I think they were laughing.

698
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: First of all, they were both drunk. Did you hear

699
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: that was true? And yeah, and what are they doing? Well,

700
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: that's what I mean, that's what people were saying on

701
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: Twitter again, picks when okay, so we don't know. That's

702
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: a good point. That's a good point. It's Twitter, who knows. Yeah,

703
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: but I think what's his face? Florio said, my goal

704
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: was to be not more drunk than Sean McVeigh was,

705
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: but not as drunk as less Needless, I think the

706
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: moment the pick was made, they were cracking up. They

707
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: were laughing at us. It's it sure looked like that.

708
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: I see where the interpretation can can be that they

709
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: were laughing at themselves. But I think that's probably a

710
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: ten percent chance. And it was a little bit heightened

711
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: and perhaps from alcohol, a little bit of yeah, yeah,

712
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: they were a little bit what are we doing in

713
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: LA now? Which was ranking and doing yeah and then

714
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: and and I mean and then you connect, you won

715
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: the super Bowl? For you? The draft video they know,

716
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: which was about two minutes too long, Well, that something

717
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: that was well done. I mean, I mean, if you're

718
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: gonna do that, you do it, you do it. I

719
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: didn't see I would have I would have thought they

720
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: had it up. They had a Hollywood production. Oh no,

721
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: there's no question. It was like five minutes long. I

722
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: just kept waiting for the like, what was the point

723
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: of it? What would they doing? It was draft hype,

724
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: but they had Dennis Quaitet in it. All the players

725
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: like like like really with good speaking parts. And they

726
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: were absolutely directed because none of them looked like, you know,

727
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: stilted matty. They were really natural. Yeah, it was real.

728
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: It was excellent. It was very very well done. I

729
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: only know it would have been I get where you're going,

730
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: you're in love, You're in love with the premise you're

731
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: making the same joke a few times, it'll land better,

732
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: cut it in half, and it would have been bang

733
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: bang bang from Hollywood. They wanted to get a lot

734
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: of studio notes from They wanted to get everybody in

735
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: there and everything like that. I'll say this Fred and

736
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: I because we talk about a lot of that kind

737
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: of content for us, If you can get the people involved,

738
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's not great, it's a home run, right,

739
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: Like if we could get Bill to do something, I

740
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: don't care if Bill doesn't if he's just sitting there. Right,

741
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: we got Bill, right, it's worth it, you know. And

742
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: they got the people like Aaron Donald's Cup is in it. Yeah,

743
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: like that works just in and of itself. I'm kind

744
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: of with Mike. I didn't I didn't really get it. Yeah,

745
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: and it was long. I got it. I just think

746
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: it could have been pop more. You got it after

747
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: shifter three minutes and you're like, okay all. I mean

748
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: it was like the the initial joke of Dennis Quaide

749
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: playing the owner, which is funny, but that like, you know,

750
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: they kept going back to it, and you have different

751
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: lines where you felt like, just pick one, pick the

752
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: funniest one and use that. But I mean it was

753
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: it was very good. I mean compared to what people

754
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: generally do. But it feels like the Rams are feeling

755
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: their own song. Oh yeah now, and they're smelling like, yeah,

756
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: we don't need to draft anybody. We're just sitting here

757
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: getting drunk and look at everybody making picks. And you know,

758
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: that's the vibe that they're giving off to the rest

759
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: of the league. And I'm sure it's not just the

760
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: Patriots that are you know, we're coming from. It's almost

761
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: like they put like twenty eight to three sweatshirts out there.

762
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: That's that's actually random block. Random blocks never hit on

763
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: the symbolism of twenty eight to three at all and

764
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,959
Speaker 1: any never, any way, shape or four. Told you before

765
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't a shot at the falcons. It's about life.

766
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: You're down twenty eight three. In life, you gotta never

767
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: give up. It's not to get cranky now. Okay, So

768
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: at this point, are we just Andrew Booth? Well, there's

769
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: quite a few picks before then? What about Fred's guy?

770
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: Who's who's the next guard? I like, I like Woollen,

771
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: but I don't like John Bryan la will double DIPICRD.

772
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: You gotta protect Mac now there? Uh, I mean that's

773
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: how many trade ups have there been though, I mean

774
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: they're five six trade ups already. Like, guys, it seems

775
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: like everybody kind of sat overnight. It's almost like there's

776
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: not a lot of good players in this draft, and

777
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: people will get them up as high as they can't

778
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: to get the best player they can get. Almost like

779
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: that saying it's exactly like that. It's almost like, no,

780
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: I think you're different things like that. Everybody has completely

781
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: different opinions on who's good in this draft, you know.

782
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: But it's I think, to Paul's point, the teams that

783
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: identify the guy that they think is that good. Are

784
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: willing to go get them? They go get them? Yeah,

785
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: dads out back breakingly go get them. This one's gonna

786
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: let's go to Patty and agawam, what's up Patty? What's up? Guys?

787
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: And Gal? Hey, hey, hi, you my cholesterol? Really? I'm sure? Yeah?

788
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: I need some of that too, maybe some beer later too,

789
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: but especially if it turns out like so, I just

790
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: want to start out by saying I like the player.

791
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: First round kind of just boggled my mind, Like when

792
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: you guys know, I called in I think last week

793
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: and m Duppy was one of the guys. He was

794
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: one of the things. Oh they just put that on

795
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: to make Paul miserable. You liked him to leave me

796
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: on an island over here. Oh he seemed over affected

797
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: by it. So sorry. Duffy would have been one of

798
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: the guys that I would have played it up before.

799
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: I would have liked to see him straight up one

800
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: when he was there in twenty one and they traded back,

801
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: I just I just funk in. My team was like,

802
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: come on, man, and like strange has been on my radar,

803
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: like one of the first two guards went. I was like, yeah, well,

804
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: maybe they can get this guy in like the third

805
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: round with number pick number eighty five. But I just

806
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: I didn't envision. I mean, I would have settled for

807
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: fifty four. I won't get you know, snarky and say

808
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: they could have got thanks Patty at eighty five. But

809
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. Is it out of the roma possibility

810
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: that you could have got this guy at fifty four? No? No,

811
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: And I'm just looking. I mean, you never know how

812
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: it would have unfolded. But there hasn't been any offensive

813
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: lineman taken. And was he really so good? Like? Was

814
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: he really that much the guy that you just had

815
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: to bite the bullet? And I think at fifty four

816
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: you're now in the range where you could probably move

817
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: up to get him. If you start getting Auntie that

818
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: someone's gonna take a guard. I don't know. Yeah, I

819
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: think it's to Fred's point that he checked other boxes. Yeah,

820
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: I think he did. No, I mean, and I go

821
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: back to the name, why can't you check those boxes

822
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: from the fifty fourth spot? I don't understand. I just yeah,

823
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: he has to be the first round or to check boxes.

824
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm gonna gonna go back to the point

825
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: I made before though, like you got Tuning in round

826
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: three Mason in round four. Is this guy gonna be

827
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: that much better than them? No? But so why are

828
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: you taking him? I think that they wanted to move

829
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: out of the first round completely and they couldn't and

830
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: they had to make a pick, and there was nobody

831
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: else that was better that they could have gotten him later,

832
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: whether or not better. But you know, we need a guard.

833
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: We know we're gonna have to take a guard, and

834
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: we know we're gonna have to take a guard who

835
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: was a potential to start. But again, my point is

836
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: they got guards who started at very high levels in

837
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: rounds three and four. Yeah, they but but maybe this

838
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: year they didn't really feel or I mean, maybe those

839
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: guys were more Let's take a chance on Tuny. I mean,

840
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: it's a low round guy. He probably had a few

841
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: more questions and you know he was able to seize

842
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 1: that job even though you were about it. But let's

843
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: look at the line, right, like David Andrews is solid, right,

844
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: you would say, yeah, nobody else you know when always injured,

845
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, and want you I mean, he's okay, he

846
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: got rid of Shack Mason. The line was just so

847
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: well Trent Brown. You're right there. I forgot about what

848
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: what did you He's solid. He's solid. Yeah, you just

849
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: have to worry about about his availability. I also think

850
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: he's okay. Like their offensive line is. I have no

851
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: problem that they talk to the offensive line. Mike and

852
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: I did seventeen podcasts for this draft, and every one

853
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: of them we talked about offensive line is a major need.

854
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: If they had taken on Johnson, yes, it would have

855
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: not been a sexy pick, but it would have. I mean,

856
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: I would have been totally understandable to take a guard

857
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 1: at twenty one, like they needed offensive line help along

858
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: with cornerback and edge and wide receiver in linebacker and

859
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: all that stuff offensive. I'm not mad that they took

860
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman. I just think they took one earlier

861
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 1: than they needed to based on what was available. Yeah,

862
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: that's all. Let's go to Christian in La Christian allus, Hey,

863
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: is this guy the top ranked offensive lineman? Do you

864
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: guys know it's uh cold strange? No, no, no, there

865
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: were guys taken before him that are obviously they were

866
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: ranked higher. Now he was the best, He was the

867
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: best guard on the board. I would say at the time, yeah. Yeah,

868
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: the two best guards were gone and he was. He

869
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: was third in most lists, right, yeah, okay, I mean

870
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: some people had him as a center, but I mean

871
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: he was he was, he was there. Yeah. Right, So

872
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: it seems like, you know, Bill likes the guy that

873
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: can want to be plugging, playing two, that can do

874
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: multiple things. He can be guard to tackle taking question

875
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: really quickly. Do you guys know if they can't if

876
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: they consult with Dante doing the draft? Dard reported today. No,

877
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: but Dard reported, I know I saw that a lot,

878
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: and I I yeah, I was not. I don't know, like,

879
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: for all I know, they flew Dante out to do

880
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: a private work. I don't that's what they did with solders,

881
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: but that I heard something I know. But so what

882
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: he's been returning, he's just consultant. You don't think that.

883
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: I don't think he is anymore. This is the point.

884
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: I don't know Seattle's pick, which one may have to

885
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: pick back to back edge. Who Oh, I'm honestly surprised

886
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: they didn't go quarterback. Oh they got the next pick too,

887
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: so damn quarterback means what's that, Chris? I would I

888
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: would hear on ESPN that the all the Senior Bowl

889
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: guys were super high on this this uh you know,

890
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: miss the strange here, So that could probably go into

891
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: my question, is this guy as the league mote more

892
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: towards points and more away from just defense, there's this

893
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: guy by mac one two more seconds if that's important.

894
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: Max still doesn't have anybody to throw too, So it

895
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you get a great guard that can

896
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,959
Speaker 1: give you a half seconds second more. If you can't

897
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: get open, you got no one to get open. Well,

898
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm a little confused as to why we didn't use that.

899
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: I know, like you said, he wanted to get out

900
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: of the first round when he got stuck in that

901
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: first round. Why not just go after the fastest linebacker,

902
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: go after the best wide receiver. I know, guard, we

903
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: needed someone to start, But it just seems like a

904
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: little you know, like you guys all said it, Bill's digging,

905
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: everyone's zagging. I'm a little PERPLEXI but I do understand

906
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: getting a right away. What do you guys think we

907
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: should go at fifty four if we're not going to

908
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: trade down for my defense defense defense defense, defense, defense, Yeah, cornerbacks,

909
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: the front seven, yeah, yeah, we just packing some of

910
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: those because we have so many medium could players in

911
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: this draft. Do you see us packaging several players? Can

912
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: move up from fifty four to get the best players?

913
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: Sure we can POSSI get on defense. Yep. They last

914
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: three years they've moved up in the second round, so

915
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule it out. But we're getting close. We're

916
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: getting down there now. So if they're gonna do a move,

917
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: they gotta they gotta start thinking about it. Seriously. They

918
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: free we're gonna wind up at the bottom of the division.

919
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: What the Jets just did for the ranked starters, what

920
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: the Dolphins just did, and what but the Bills are doing.

921
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: It looks like we are not going to be able

922
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: to roll guys. We'll see as we know. You know

923
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: this is all on paper. You know, we got to

924
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: see how the Jets have had some really good drafts before.

925
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, Christ And I'm getting annoyed at

926
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: his connection. Yeah, yeah, it was a tough connection. I

927
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: would just like to say, Devin mccordy said, doctor strange.

928
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: They said I was a bad draft pick too. Welcome

929
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 1: to New England. You're gonna fit in well. Yeah. Kenneth

930
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: Walker running, he's a really good running back. Yep. I mean,

931
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: you know me running backs on your road. But he's

932
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: a good he's a good running who's their quarterback right now?

933
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: Drew Luck? Drew Luck. Let's go to Rob. They were

934
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: joking around. I saw on Twitter today like they had

935
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: forty and forty one that like they should take like

936
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: Malik Willis and Sam let's go to Robin Melbourne. What's

937
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: up Rob? Good? Hey, how's everybody today? Good? Um? Yeah,

938
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: I forgot i'd give a call in. Uh. I was

939
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: a bit disappointed with the pick that came through last night.

940
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: I was I was actually hoping they'd take that All

941
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: Street kid. Yeah, Barnard Raymond, get him with the next year. Yeah. Yeah.

942
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: My thought is, as you said that, somebody one of

943
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: those tackle gets hurt all the time, and at least

944
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: you could bring him in and maybe have a tackle

945
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: of the future and he'd probably play this year, you know,

946
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: half the games either at right or left because win

947
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: or you know your boys are going to get hurt.

948
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, um, I mean Raymond's pretty highly ranked,

949
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: you know, and the first second round ranking. Yeah he's yeah,

950
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,439
Speaker 1: he's one of the higher rank guys left. Ye. Well,

951
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: I can tell you for a day two This is

952
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: this is kind of what I'm kind of hoping to

953
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: see on day two here. I'd like to see either

954
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: a double dipp of wide receiver, a double different linebacker,

955
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: and the guys I like at and you're getting your

956
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 1: opinion on linebacker. I like the kid out of Wyoming

957
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: he Chad Muma, and I like the guy out of

958
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: Montana State, yeah, and Roy Anderson him. Yeah, Muma is

959
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: a production guy, you know. Yeah, yeah, I didn't like

960
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: him as much fashion all. But yeah, the other guy

961
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: I wanted, Darien Beaver. I want one of those two

962
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: smaller guys. And then I'd like to pair them with

963
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati guy. And then the wide receivers I like.

964
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: I like Paul's guy, David bell Um, and I think

965
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: Mike your guy is Kyle Phillips, who I really liked

966
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: there too. And then when Wayndale Robinson, I you know,

967
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 1: combine them in which way and then Mike, this one's

968
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: for you defensive back. I'd like for them to trade

969
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: up right now and go get Travis Jones. Yeah. Next two,

970
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: Christian Barmore put a big old faddy in there, who

971
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: eats fate get them so an interesting Travis Jones going again,

972
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: thanks Rob. One of the ones he lost, Yeah, didn't

973
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: look good for whole str the one we already got.

974
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: What about Christian Harris linebacker the thing. But they have

975
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of off the ball linebackers right now, and

976
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: I know that it's not gonna make anybody happy. And

977
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: what one, two, three, five of them are coming off

978
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: some kind of significant injury. Um, but they've got a bunch.

979
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 1: And so as much as you want to bring Muma

980
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: in or those and I get it, I like those

981
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: guys too. I just who is playing the edge of

982
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: the defense like that Harris more than me though as

983
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: those I would agree that I'm not the biggest MoMA fan.

984
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: I just I think he's kind of everybody really likes

985
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: MoMA because Logan Wilson has turned into a super player

986
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: for Cincinnati and he played at Wyoming. Yeah, yeah, so

987
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: they're just automatically assuming we got the wrong Wyoming guy

988
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: kash Maluiah. Yeah, and now we got to get another

989
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 1: Wyoming of those guys of the kind of stiff middle linebackers.

990
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: I like Leo Chanal from from Wisconsin. I mean, he

991
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: just he's he's a beast inside. But I just I

992
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: think you need a somebody either Travis Jones, somebody on

993
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: the line, somebody who plays edge, the off the ball linebackers.

994
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: I know it's a position that's gotten a ton of

995
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: attention this this offseason, but they have a log jam

996
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 1: of guys, and when you have real specific needs, I

997
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: think you need an edge. You need somebody who can

998
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: play on the line of scrimmage and win the line

999
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. I think they're lacking those guys. The ones

1000
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: that they have are getting old. You've got Barmore, but

1001
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: after that, it's who who do you got? Judean and Barmore?

1002
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: Did they need help? They need guys who can take

1003
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: pressure off of them so that they can make plays.

1004
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: And right now, it's well, we'll just focus on those two.

1005
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: All right. You guys want to try to beat this

1006
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: with Dietrich wise, go for it. Now. That's that's the

1007
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: approach teams you're gonna take. This is an interesting little

1008
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 1: factoid that doesn't have anything to do with the Patriots,

1009
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: but this is the first time since two thousand that

1010
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: only one quarterback has been selected in the top forty. Yeah,

1011
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: what happened that? Yet? Fred? That was dj Manuel two thousand.

1012
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: Who who was drafted in two thousand, Tom Brady, Yeah,

1013
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: Tom Brady Brady six. So maybe you should just wait

1014
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: till one ninety unity to take a league will right? Yeah?

1015
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: So well, I mean there were a lot of quarterbacks

1016
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: taken that year, but yeah, not early six before by

1017
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 1: yes Brady six, right, yeah, so that's not a lot.

1018
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: There was five in the first fifteen picks last year. Six. Yeah,

1019
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: And here goes Booth, focusing on the number six six

1020
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: Mike to who both both Minnesota, Minnesota. Yeah, they just traded.

1021
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: Oh they did traded with the clots. Oh all right,

1022
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: Well my list is blown up, refreshing, it's it's slowly

1023
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: um disappearing. So wait, is Gordon gone too? Yeah? Yeah,

1024
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,959
Speaker 1: the cornerbacks is are thinning out rapidly. Sam Houston state

1025
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: he's available, I believe. So you know, the only guy

1026
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: left Freddie cornerback is your guy, Tariq Woollen. Your guy

1027
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: would be maybe, yeah, but I don't think I don't

1028
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: think he should be taken until no, no, like the

1029
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: third round. You know where did Elam go forgot? Buffalo? Um?

1030
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 1: Joe writes in from San Antonio. Pardon my stupid question,

1031
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 1: but I just can't remember the video schedule. Is it

1032
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: all night tonight or still just an hour or so?

1033
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: Pure you wish it was. Actually, we're gonna be happy

1034
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: to be wrapping it up in about six minutes. Yeah,

1035
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 1: it's just one hour, but we'll continue with the audio

1036
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: until ten o'clock. So still here. Yes, So Mike, would

1037
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 1: you say that's the best eddresher available? Yeah? But that

1038
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: and everybody's gonna lose their mind because he just blew

1039
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: his achilles out, So like, oh great, I mean, I

1040
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: know we need it, but like I think you need

1041
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: to have a guy that play. I mean that, And

1042
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: it's it goes back to you've got these guys, and

1043
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, as much as I say you got the

1044
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: off the ball guys, you do have Oocha Jennings, Ronnie Perkins,

1045
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: three guys haven't really played significant draft picks, Camcron, Camacron

1046
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: maybe more of an intact guy, but you know those guys,

1047
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: they need to be able to play if you're to

1048
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Speaker 1: just that, Um, I think this is an indication that

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Speaker 1: they might be finally ready to let those guys play. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's I think you're right, Paul. I think you know

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Speaker 1: we're here, we are like they need linebackers, they need it,

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Speaker 1: and they're like, we've got guys. Yeah, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: give him a chance to play, like Paul just said,

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Speaker 1: And maybe that's kind of what they're thinking, you know,

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Speaker 1: like we just we get rid of High Tower Collins.

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Speaker 1: I mean and and I mean I think ven Noy's gone.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna have bit that bullet over the

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Speaker 1: last two years and not now into year two of

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Speaker 1: mac Um. I've said it before. I can't fault them

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Speaker 1: him wanted to come back. I I mean, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: take him back every single time he wants to come back.

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Speaker 1: It was just when then it was all right, well,

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Speaker 1: High Tower's back, that's great. There's some continuity there, there's

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Speaker 1: some leadership that can help shepherd some of these young

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Speaker 1: linebackers as they get into the mix. But then they

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Speaker 1: brought back van Noy and Collins too, and those guys

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Speaker 1: just got pushed farther down the depth chart. So we

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Speaker 1: still don't know what what they have. And we're entering years,

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Speaker 1: what does Ronnie Perkins have? Is this We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to find out. And it's a lot of pressure on

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Speaker 1: the defense, on Gerad Mayo, on Steve Belichick to now

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Speaker 1: take these young guys that and I know, you know,

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Speaker 1: just as an example, I know Steve Belichick was heavily

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Speaker 1: involved with with Ronnie Perkins. It's like, all right, well

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Speaker 1: now it's now now we're gonna have to find out.

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Speaker 1: Now there goes one of our guys to Paulli. Another

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Speaker 1: one one Dale. That's a little early for him. I

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Speaker 1: really liked him, but I don't know if I liked

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Speaker 1: him as much as the second round one. Dale to

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Speaker 1: the Giants, given Danny Jones some weapons in his lame

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Speaker 1: duck year apparently to throw too, and of course Kadarius

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Speaker 1: Tony Easy that one fell apart quick for them. He

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Speaker 1: must be a piece of work to have fallen out

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Speaker 1: of favorite right, and for I mean, if he was

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Speaker 1: a potential piece of work, I don't know. I just

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Speaker 1: feel like, with all due respect to Christmas, that seems

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Speaker 1: like Joe jud seems like a guy who would avoid

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Speaker 1: those kind of you know, potential question marks if it

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Speaker 1: fell apart that quick. Uh. Justin writes in, it's not

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Speaker 1: exactly apples to apples, and it doesn't make it a

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Speaker 1: smart pick to take them where they did. But I'm

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Speaker 1: hopeful the Strange pick plays out similarly to Jalen Brown's

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Speaker 1: the old line and it ends up working out. So

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Speaker 1: I have I don't know what. I have no recollection

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Speaker 1: of Jaylen Brown being well, I mean not saying like

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Speaker 1: not Kenny Keller. I don't go to the Garden for

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Speaker 1: the draft. Um, but I don't remember that that pick

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Speaker 1: being universally panned Jaylen Brown I don't remember either. It's

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Speaker 1: his best couple. Yeah, Joe writes in, I hated the pick,

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Speaker 1: blindly optimistic may as well. I can't do a single

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Speaker 1: other thing about it anyway. That being said, this is

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Speaker 1: never a good pick, even if he is a Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer. That is so unlikely that you can't possibly

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Speaker 1: credit them for knowing that, right. I think I'm in

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Speaker 1: the same space as him in the sense of like

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Speaker 1: It's it's hard to be like, oh you, you're doing

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Speaker 1: A lot of you know, Mike, Well, this is terrible.

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Speaker 1: They're laughing at me. It's like who I mean, for everybody,

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Speaker 1: And that's it goes back to kind of thing. It's

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Speaker 1: We're back to audio. And it's too bad because Paul's

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Speaker 1: So where are we Patriots are? Just see? I think

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Speaker 1: a difference. I just think it was just such a

1255
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: I think sometimes you glom onto like a little fact

1256
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:35,439
Speaker 1: of like, well, he played with Mac and he played

1257
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: at Alabama, he must be good. Um. You know, it's

1258
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: the same thing with Slade Bolden that everyone's you know,

1259
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: got a fascination for who is like, you know, as

1260
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,959
Speaker 1: slow as they come. Um, but there'll probably be people

1261
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: who are ecstatic because they drafted Max's roommate, you know.

1262
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: So I still think George Pickens would be an excellent,

1263
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: exciting pick, But you know, it's they're running out now.

1264
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: There's becoming fewer and fewer guys that you really get. Okay, Jack,

1265
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: when you look at the pool, who would you fish

1266
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: for at this point? Wide receiver wise? Mike, Oh god,

1267
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: see that's that's hard. I mean, Pickens um running down

1268
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: the list. I mean it's I don't know. I wouldn't

1269
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: really love Kyle Phillips, Kyle Phillips earlier, Yeah, Phillips, but

1270
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: I'd take Pickens. Yeah, I would definitely know Eric likes Pickens.

1271
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: I do, um, but this slim pick I've already used

1272
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: that about David Bell. David Bell I liked. This is

1273
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,439
Speaker 1: a little early for him. He's more of a third rounder.

1274
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: But I'm yeah, I'm not gonna get caught up in

1275
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: that if you like the player. I mean, obviously they

1276
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: did it with Cole Strength. Right at this point, I

1277
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna have to go small school just because

1278
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: of the way we're going. I gotta say, Polly, I

1279
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: see the way this. I think I know how it's

1280
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 1: about to go. They're not gonna take another good receiver.

1281
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: They're not gonna taken maybe we'll get a Kyle Phillips.

1282
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna take No. One none. It's gonna just like

1283
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,439
Speaker 1: Seinfeld again. It's gonna be a draft about nothing again.

1284
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: Position this offense, and what are they gonna do? Now?

1285
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 1: Why am I hiring you to coach my team? Not yet?

1286
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: You're not not yet? Uh yeah, there's I mean, I

1287
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: was just just running down the list though. I mean,

1288
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of out on wide receivers. I mean, yeah,

1289
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: Skymore Fine, didn't love love him, Alec Pierce. I don't

1290
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 1: like any of these guys, I don't really I mean,

1291
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,520
Speaker 1: I don't really like any of them. Ravens, taken, Ojabo,

1292
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: jabbo whatever, how do you pronounce it? But you know,

1293
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 1: but I mean to be fair defense defense defense. So

1294
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,560
Speaker 1: maybe down in the fourth you get you get a

1295
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: Kyle Phillipson and I'd be hey, that that's And I

1296
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: was saying saying that the guys today, it was like,

1297
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: I just want somebody fun to look forward to in

1298
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: training camp. Like last year it was like, man, I

1299
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: have to watch Mac. It's watch a rookie quarterback and

1300
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 1: thrown into the mix in a competition against Cam Newton,

1301
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: Like I'm there for that. That's exciting. It's I mean,

1302
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: and obviously it's as good as it gets a rookie

1303
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: quarterback where that. I mean, you're gonna see him throw

1304
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: a ton of passes. He's going to be out there. Um.

1305
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: You know, just love to have a player that I'm

1306
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing how he enters the mix. And

1307
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: you know, as much as you're looking through your binoculars

1308
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,719
Speaker 1: across the field at Cole Strange going up against Christian

1309
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: Barmore and trying to you know, keep Traka who wins

1310
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: and loses all that it's uh, I don't know, it's

1311
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: just it's it's a Patty says. According to the Athletic

1312
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: Football Show podcast before the draft, they said that Dante

1313
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: indeed still consults with the Patriots. So Paul, don't blow

1314
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: me blah Bdard who said that is not the case, right,

1315
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: Mike correct, Well, he's mad to his report. Um Wayne

1316
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: in Tasmania. My wife has heard many snippets of the

1317
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: show over the years. Today was the first time she

1318
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: saw any of you. She's both shocked and disappointed that

1319
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: Paul is not a young, tall stud. She says. His

1320
01:09:54,280 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: voice is very deceptive. Especially, Wow, this is this is

1321
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: when you had the voice of a tall stud stud.

1322
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: I was just focusing on the stud part. Pretty cool

1323
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: watching a jabo and his family. What a terrible set

1324
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: of circumstances where you know, doing a workout, great place,

1325
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 1: but great place to land there with his family. Crime.

1326
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: That's just that, you know, this is the stuff. As

1327
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: much you want the Patriots, but it's it's nice to

1328
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: see these kids and get a chance. Listen. Can you

1329
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: imagine that? Like you know, you know, I've had kids

1330
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: that played sports, you know, they got to college and

1331
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: all that and I just can't imagine, like if they

1332
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: went to the pros, like as a parent, like what

1333
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: that would be like to be in the room when

1334
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: they get the call and they get drafted. You know,

1335
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing, and then it's also it's life change.

1336
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the pressure too, though, of having your

1337
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 1: kid be a professional athlete? I remember about like even

1338
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 1: like what Fred is talking about, like when you're like

1339
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: a high school athlete, you have like a senior day

1340
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,640
Speaker 1: and your parents go out. It's a big deal, and

1341
01:10:55,720 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 1: you cry, like I cried at my nephews. You imagine, like,

1342
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:03,520
Speaker 1: imagine if you had a kid, yeah that was supremely

1343
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: talented and went pro. Did Steve Burton cry when Veronica

1344
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,759
Speaker 1: got drafted? He probably? Yeah, he was all over Twitter

1345
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 1: all day. Yeah, Like he was psyched. Yeah. And Steve

1346
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: Burton played at a high level. Good. Yeah, I played

1347
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: at Northwestern. He so he you know, it's not like

1348
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: it was new to him and like he was so

1349
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 1: psyched for her. You know he should be oh yeah,

1350
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 1: you know, especially just because so few players get draft

1351
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: in then w NBA, it's it's very very slim compared

1352
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: to the NFL draft. In the MLB. Oh my gosh,

1353
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: So to see how drafted was was pretty odd. Yeah,

1354
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, in the two draft, I love Lions.

1355
01:11:49,720 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: Select a Ron Josh back to him right now, just

1356
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: throw it all away. George is starting to get upset,

1357
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 1: you know. But that's the kind of guy I was

1358
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: hoping for. And you know six two five as two

1359
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 1: sixty eight. Just an inside guy that could put him

1360
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,679
Speaker 1: on the edge, put him inside, move him around, play

1361
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: with him in barmore, create matchup problems, stout tough guy.

1362
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the lines, the lines are having

1363
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: a pretty good draft. I think Alan in South Carolina.

1364
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 1: I've been a Patriots fan since nineteen ninety eight, and

1365
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: Bill's handling of the team and these picks in the

1366
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 1: past few years has really got me struggling to hang on.

1367
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: I know that worst case, we got a Pro Bowl guard,

1368
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: but I wish that instead of trying to be clever

1369
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: and playing chess, that we could see this team with

1370
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: some short, thin talent in the first few rounds. I

1371
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: feel like our recent approach has been bringing a knife

1372
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: to a gunfight, but thinking, don't worry, we'll outsmart them.

1373
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure Strange will be a great addition when we're

1374
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: running the ball on third and eleven down six in

1375
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. But Paul, Paul, You've said this multiple times,

1376
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: this draft didn't have a lot of sure thing talent,

1377
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:13,839
Speaker 1: like it kind of yeah, dropped off and so almost

1378
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: you we're gonna like trade up to the top ten

1379
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 1: to get a few sure things. Yeah. I just like, yeah,

1380
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: I agree with that, and I'm going to stay consistent.

1381
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 1: People have been talking throughout this pre draft process that

1382
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: this is not a strong class. Yeah, so rather than

1383
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: get all leftovers, no, but rather than get all like

1384
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: psyched out and say, like, what do they do? You know,

1385
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: like there weren't that many, let's watched them play for

1386
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 1: a couple of years and see if they were right

1387
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: or if they were wrong. Right. Yeah, I just I'm

1388
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: maybe it's a way that we could go back to

1389
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: the future. Not yet. I just That's that's what I'm

1390
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 1: worried about right now. I'm worried about maybe Cole Strange

1391
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: was the highlight of the draft. Right now? Is they

1392
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: of just watching guys I like go left and right?

1393
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,560
Speaker 1: And as I interjected with Paul, it's starting to feel like,

1394
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 1: are we just waiting for the left. It's like Bill said,

1395
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 1: you know you're you're just watching the train go by.

1396
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: You know you hate that, you know you want to

1397
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: be in the mix. Yeah, I mean it is it.

1398
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: You know, usually on Saturday we get to the point

1399
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 1: where we're like, Okay, we haven't heard of these guys

1400
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: or they're from really small schools. But now, but now

1401
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: is that going to be happening on day two? Yeah? Yis?

1402
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: I mean Travis Jones is still mel Kiper's best available

1403
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. Federian Mathis, I'm seeing him pop up two

1404
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 1: is three. I mean I think thank he just went

1405
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 1: to Washington. Mathis Fedarian Mathis, Yeah, I'm not it's you

1406
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 1: know on the Yeah, um, interesting Travis Jones. I mean,

1407
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: Yukon was terrible last year they lost the Holy Cross.

1408
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: Uh but yeah, but holy Cross was good. So but

1409
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 1: still that's that's kind of interesting fault because I saw

1410
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people saying because of Jordan Davis that

1411
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: people were sleeping on Travis Jones and that really he's,

1412
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, not that much behind him and could be

1413
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: a first round guy. And I mean everybody kind of

1414
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: has him ranked pretty high. I mean, the Bruglar board

1415
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: he's thirty four. Only Dean and Willis are above him

1416
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,759
Speaker 1: that are left right now, So there's still some guys,

1417
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 1: but you're starting to get down to the down to

1418
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: the you know, just the players that you don't really

1419
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 1: know that are gonna be more a projection. I mean,

1420
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 1: I guess that's generally true anyway, but at least for

1421
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: me personally, the guys that I really like, it feels

1422
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: like they're they're really going. Chris writes in I love

1423
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,560
Speaker 1: the draft coverage. I'll start this off by making it

1424
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 1: clear that I didn't necessarily like the Cole Strange pick. However,

1425
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 1: I think the pick is a testament to how they

1426
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: feel about Mac. I think the team is confident that

1427
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: Mac will not only get better, but that he'll soon

1428
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: be able to carry the team. Cole should be an

1429
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 1: immediate starter and will absolutely bolster the line. Yeah, well

1430
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: he better. Yeah, Okay, I'm having a hard time understanding

1431
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: that logic. If it's an indication that they're all in

1432
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: on Mac, and they're completely convinced that, why wouldn't you

1433
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 1: go defense? If you're all in on Mac, you don't

1434
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 1: need to help him. He's the guy. Maybe I don't

1435
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 1: have a bad way. Maybe he meant since they're all

1436
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: in him, they want to get the tools to surround him. Paul,

1437
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 1: I think that's what he was saying. But I think, yeah,

1438
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: but I think that's the opposite. That's all I think,

1439
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: Like we talked about that last night. If if you're

1440
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: all in on Mac, he can get by with just

1441
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: an average offensive line, like they were the offensive line

1442
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 1: watching a train wreck last year. But do they think

1443
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 1: it's not quick? But now you don't have Shaq Mason. Yep.

1444
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: I thought he wasn't any good. I'm just saying that

1445
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: he was competent. You know, who plays chess. They just

1446
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 1: didn't want this guy. They just didn't want to pay

1447
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: the money anymore. But but he was you know, losing

1448
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: him was absolutely you know, now something you had to

1449
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: you had to fill it. Who's your starting guards? It's

1450
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: interesting and just a ron really you could now what's

1451
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: going to be cold strange right right? But yeah, I

1452
01:16:58,320 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 1: would have been fine with it. I feel like you'll

1453
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: see it noticeable difference, oh, Paul, Yeah, I just I

1454
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 1: mean then you'll see different. Paul is nothing but consistent.

1455
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: He is the guy that called west Welker lose change.

1456
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: So you know, and I'm also nothing but consistent. When

1457
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, I'll tell you a right. I was wrong

1458
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 1: about West Welker, Okay, right, and you could be wrong

1459
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: about Cole Strange without question. Okay, So could you Bears

1460
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: d tackle Alabama like you were about Isaiah win See

1461
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 1: I said his bar as a Pro Bowl guard. They

1462
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: haven't given him a chance yet at guard. Right, he's

1463
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: got to play guard before I'm wrong, Then move him

1464
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 1: to guard. Your guard problems are solved, and I let

1465
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 1: heron play tackle where he played last year. Yeah, but

1466
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: I don't think he's good enough to be every game

1467
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: at a tackle ron. Yeah. So that's where we bring

1468
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 1: in bond Hard. Isn't it a funny? I mean, I

1469
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: know wide receivers get all the attention, but going back

1470
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 1: to franchising, Tuney, how they've managed the guard position over

1471
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 1: the last three seasons was a stake. It's kind of bizarre. Yeah,

1472
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 1: and no, it's my feeling and feeling I was trying

1473
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 1: to avoid that we're turning off Eric's Mike and my

1474
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: feeling on that is exactly what you said. I didn't

1475
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: understand franchising, Tuny. I didn't understand the long term, big

1476
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 1: money contract for shack. So what do you do? You

1477
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 1: get rid of those guys your cycle note and you

1478
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 1: take another guard in the first round, So you gotta don't.

1479
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: I don't understand him. Also my comment earlier, I said

1480
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,719
Speaker 1: Baker could have a home by the end of today.

1481
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: Did you get traded? What happened at news? He's about

1482
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: to what do you know? What do you what? What

1483
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 1: do you know? Tom? Sources say that he's heading down

1484
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: south to the Panthers Carolina. Oh my goodness. And it's

1485
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: funny because I literally said, multiple times, I keep saying

1486
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: Sam Donald's our guy right until the boy they said it,

1487
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 1: the more you didn't believe it. And rob you know,

1488
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: I Robbie Anderson not a big fan of Baker Mayfield too,

1489
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 1: But didn't you have like a social media posterho was

1490
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 1: reporting that the ESPN reporter who's there reporting for Carolina, um,

1491
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 1: she said that it could interest could be finished by

1492
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 1: tonight or the end of the weekend. Okay, okay, Baker

1493
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: Mayfield eyeballs emoji, eyeball emoji. Well, we might see him

1494
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:30,759
Speaker 1: up here then perhaps at the joint practice. Yeah, shaking

1495
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: Baker with another can you imagine that this is the

1496
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 1: house that could go on if those two guys don't

1497
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,799
Speaker 1: play well at your factor warned Baker Mayfield and complete

1498
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 1: pass Yeah oh hey TV anymore. So that's that's a development.

1499
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: It's it's it's big all caps could Kimberly yeah, Kimberly Martin, Yeah,

1500
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 1: she does have the star could star closed star. So,

1501
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean that was one of the places that I

1502
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: just really think they need a quarterback. Yeah, they said

1503
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: they have one. But and this guy Tepper that owns

1504
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: the Panthers, he'll spend some money, he doesn't he yeah yeah, yeah,

1505
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 1: so but then trade Sam Donald now if that happens,

1506
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: yeah right for what like I don't think I'll take

1507
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 1: a fifth round for him. If I'm the Panthers, just

1508
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: give a fifth round for him if you like, if

1509
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:32,680
Speaker 1: you need a pay yeah yeah, Jas says, I love

1510
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: the show. I usually call, but during this while I'm

1511
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 1: at work. When you look at the twenty twenty two draft,

1512
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 1: isn't the second and third round where there are some

1513
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: gems This year more than most years, it seems like

1514
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 1: they were maybe fifteen really good players and maybe from

1515
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: sixteen to sixty four there isn't as much of a

1516
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: difference in quality this year. By the way, in the

1517
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:59,879
Speaker 1: two twenty two NFL Draft, the Chicago Bears select Jaqua

1518
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 1: Brisker defensive back. Okay, I would really like to see

1519
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 1: a study with these guys. I see a lot like

1520
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: a lot of these draft experts, they compare draft classes

1521
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 1: from year to year with how many potential first round picks,

1522
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: Like how many they had twelve first round grades this year?

1523
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 1: There was fourteen last year and twenty of the year before.

1524
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:25,679
Speaker 1: I would like to see a comparison of the draft

1525
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: where if that's true, if there are more guys in

1526
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 1: this draft that are going to go between thirty and

1527
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 1: ninety that actually our second round value than there are

1528
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 1: in a typical draft. Yeah, and that would make sense

1529
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:40,640
Speaker 1: to me because of what we talked about last night

1530
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 1: with the influx of sure people available for eligible in

1531
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 1: this draft because of they came back and they were

1532
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: extra years. You know, the guy we drafted, it's a

1533
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 1: six year college player. Yeah, so he you know, he

1534
01:21:52,439 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: had two senior seasons. Yeah, yep, um NISI probably says,

1535
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: by the way, I posted on Facebook twenty one hours

1536
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: prior to the draft that the Patriots would do exactly

1537
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 1: what they did and even picked the right player, though

1538
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: I thought it would be picked number thirty instead of

1539
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: twenty nine. Well if you did, JS, if you pick

1540
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: Cole Strange at you know, thirty, then hats off to you.

1541
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 1: I think I should have been the only person should

1542
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 1: have been in Vegas putting money down. Yeah, I'd like

1543
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 1: to be impressed, but I'm really kind of I think

1544
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 1: it's sad. I didn't realize that. I think PFF keeps

1545
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: track of all the different mocks that are run, and

1546
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 1: it said something like, of the x thousands of mocks,

1547
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 1: there were two two Patriot mock drafts that actually had

1548
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: them selecting Cole Strange in the first round, in the

1549
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 1: first round of like thousands and thousands, and you know,

1550
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 1: I mean I did probably thirty twenty. But that's like

1551
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 1: your dark board throw kind of thing, right, or just

1552
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 1: some guy screwing around, Like yeah, strange, that sounds stupid. Uh,

1553
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 1: let's see. Jake writes in from Bendigo, Australia after yesterday's picked.

1554
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm lost. I know we need to protect Mac, but anyway,

1555
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 1: welcome Strange. I'm currently stuck at a fourth birthday party

1556
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 1: or I don't know, a four year old birthday, four

1557
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:11,680
Speaker 1: year old, and I am sneaking in and out to

1558
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 1: try to listen to what's going on. I was going

1559
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: to ask you who you think will pick, but no

1560
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 1: use asking after what happened yesterday. Hopefully we get it

1561
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 1: done and get it done right. Ps. I hope you've

1562
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 1: sourced some decent or d'uvres tonight. We had Chinese food tonight,

1563
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 1: We sure did. Yeah, many homes fendah, Fred, I'm still

1564
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 1: upset for you, hot dog. You made one request, yeah,

1565
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 1: and you would just weeks ago. Can we make sure

1566
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 1: that we have the many hot dogs? And we didn't

1567
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 1: get them hot dogs? Yeah? Just was like, who's that

1568
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: old guy yelling at me? Dogs? Matt, I'm with you.

1569
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 1: They did have the popcorn, but yeah, the popcorn was good.

1570
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: I was hungry and then I had like the taco

1571
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: ball bar right near us. I was getting excited. I'm like,

1572
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,679
Speaker 1: you know what, midway through the show, im a popover

1573
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 1: have a time. Every time we took a break, after

1574
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 1: we got all gone, where am I talking? After we

1575
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 1: cut off video? Every time we took a break, I

1576
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:07,680
Speaker 1: wanted to go over and get something like get an

1577
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 1: ice cream Sunday, like Fred did, and that just you know,

1578
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 1: my people got ce people, mister Burrulo, mister Burulo, Paul's public,

1579
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 1: Ben and Pittsfield. I just wanted to write in how

1580
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: hot broken I am about John Metchi being picked. He

1581
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 1: was the one person I was sure the Patriots would

1582
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 1: feasibly pick. Sad to see the college wide receiver quarterback

1583
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 1: window gone besides Slay Bolden. But please know, he was

1584
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: someone that the Patriots fans united in wanting, and seeing

1585
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 1: him gone seems like a reminder that this draft has

1586
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: not been going the way the fans wanted. Gonna be

1587
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 1: sad about Metchi for a while. Great show so so far, though,

1588
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: Thanks Ben. I don't know, yeah, it would have been nice.

1589
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a nice story, but I was more

1590
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: excited about possibly getting Jamison Williams than Metchi, sure, you know, yeah,

1591
01:24:58,240 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't have been pissed if they got Metchi.

1592
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 1: I just didn't think that he was the player that

1593
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: a lot of people seem to think he is. And

1594
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: if they get I think he's good. And if they

1595
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 1: get a guy like Pickens instead, I'll be happier than

1596
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 1: if they had Metchi. Honestly, he's a beast. I mean,

1597
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:13,640
Speaker 1: I you know, as we're coming up on it, I

1598
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 1: mean I think Pickens that would that would scratch the

1599
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 1: as Travis Jones, Um, you know there are there are

1600
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:21,799
Speaker 1: a handful of guys. I just I think tackle probably

1601
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: that that's the one that would. Maybe as much as

1602
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 1: I like Raymond, if they took another offensive lineman right

1603
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:32,560
Speaker 1: now and angry boys, you know what's coming Burn and

1604
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 1: I like him. I like him, and I'd probably come

1605
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:36,719
Speaker 1: a rast from the block for right now, I would

1606
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 1: be a little frustrated. What what if they did go

1607
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: offensive line? Offensive line? They gotta protect Macta, protect him.

1608
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 1: How would that be received? Well, I think that you're

1609
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 1: kidding me him by him. I like what they're doing,

1610
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 1: protecting Mac Jones, the building the line for the win,

1611
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: on the line of scrimmas. Yeah, you know, you gotta

1612
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 1: protective quarterback. You can't move, you gotta make sure you

1613
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:06,759
Speaker 1: protect them. Chris and Colfax, California. I've been in billwe

1614
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 1: trust guy for a long time, but this offseason is

1615
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: starting to turn me the other way. Just one offseason,

1616
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 1: that's all it took. Uh this way the way it's

1617
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 1: starting to turn him the other Okay, we want you

1618
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: cut on our break. The way this offseason has been

1619
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: approached reminds me a lot of another team I followed

1620
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 1: my entire life, the Sacramento Kings. Other teams are literally

1621
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,440
Speaker 1: laughing in our decisions, and we are trying to outsmart

1622
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 1: everyone else by smashing a square peg into a round hole.

1623
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 1: This offseason has been atrocious, and we'll get worse when

1624
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: we take a backup tackle with our next pick. Hope

1625
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: we don't begin our sixteen year playoff drought this year.

1626
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 1: I'll email again next week when I sleep on it

1627
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:51,560
Speaker 1: and am all in on the team again. Wow. I'm

1628
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 1: just surprised that people get to this point on the draft, Like,

1629
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 1: if you want to talk to me about the end

1630
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 1: of last season, I'm with you, you know, But people

1631
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 1: get this way on the first day of free agency

1632
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 1: right right now. And that's that's and that's part of

1633
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:06,600
Speaker 1: the fun of it. And I don't want to, you know,

1634
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,759
Speaker 1: discount that. But you know, all these guys, the rookies,

1635
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 1: Like it's as much as you want to get excited

1636
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 1: about all these guys that have been picked, not by

1637
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 1: the Patriots, a lot of them are gonna bust. Some

1638
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 1: of them are certainly gonna work out, but a lot

1639
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 1: of them are gonna bust too. You have to give

1640
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 1: them a chance, you have to, you know, And that

1641
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: goes back to Patriots giving guys a chance that that

1642
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,720
Speaker 1: are on their roster. But still I think you got

1643
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 1: to add some defense here coming up soon. Locke in Adelaide.

1644
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right, Yeah, I say that right. I just

1645
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 1: wanted to let Douce know it's going to be okay.

1646
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 1: Thank you, Duce. Please join the dark side where we

1647
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 1: can question, build the GM and be disappointed with his

1648
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 1: draft picks, watching all the guys you like be drafted

1649
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 1: by every other team. You don't have to twist yourself

1650
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 1: into a pretzel defending the Patriots. You listen to the

1651
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 1: show last night, like people like just kind of put

1652
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:59,679
Speaker 1: you into like this box of he loves, he loves,

1653
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 1: and he won't question any I was just as disappointed

1654
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: with last night as everybody else. But I just like,

1655
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 1: but people always coming with this and I feel like

1656
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:11,639
Speaker 1: I'm not this stupid Belichick Hank that goes crazy. Well,

1657
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm not a great one, cold, strange, perfect exactly what

1658
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 1: I wanted, Like, listen to what I say and do

1659
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: like it's It's just that's what's frustrating. He's like, last night,

1660
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm disappointed by this pick. I said it all in

1661
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:24,680
Speaker 1: the weeks leading up to the draft, that they pick

1662
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 1: a guard, as I'm gonna be frustrated they pick one.

1663
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 1: I was frustrated. I'm frustrated. Now I'm watching a lot

1664
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 1: of good players go I'm frustrated. You know, I'm already there, guys,

1665
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm already there. But I'm not gonna go crazy until

1666
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:35,640
Speaker 1: I get to see these guys play and see how

1667
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 1: it all comes together. Okay, might get back up on

1668
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: the wall, Freddie. A big corner just got taken, Freddy.

1669
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 1: But it wasn't you a Guyante Taylor. Okay, he's the

1670
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 1: second guy on my top hundred that was not outside

1671
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 1: of the top hundred that was taken. Do you got

1672
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 1: you got the Brugler? No, I had his own the Brugler.

1673
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 1: I have my own to my own. No, this is

1674
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: this is not Bob McGain. So on the clock at eighteen,

1675
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 1: Patriots are at twenty two, So we're getting there. We're

1676
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:14,679
Speaker 1: getting close. Let's get back to the aceticket outline. Steve's

1677
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 1: in Miami. What's up, Steve? How well. I got an

1678
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 1: upset stomach today. I think it's the draft. I'm not sure,

1679
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 1: but I have a statement and then I have a question. First,

1680
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 1: the statement is I see the Jets going after trading up,

1681
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 1: going up to people that they want. There's a new

1682
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 1: uh term, a new verb I want to say about

1683
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:47,679
Speaker 1: the Patriots. They're doing the mac They're getting mac Jones

1684
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 1: because they waited last year, got mac Jones and it

1685
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 1: seems like they're just waiting it out. Whoever gets left over.

1686
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:57,640
Speaker 1: Hopefully they don't take Matt Riser, the punter with the

1687
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 1: second pick. And the question I have for you, do

1688
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 1: you think that is falling like he is because of

1689
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 1: his height, no injuries, the Patriots size. The Patriots are

1690
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 1: on the clock. The Kansas City who was right? You

1691
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 1: are right? All right. We don't have any chips to

1692
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 1: give you, but you have right. So that's it's so

1693
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 1: cute though it's Andy Reef. It just played for ye Yeah.

1694
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 1: So we traded down to them and now we're trading

1695
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 1: up with the Chiefs. Yeah yeah, remember that year it

1696
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 1: was like the seventh round the call. I don't think

1697
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:36,639
Speaker 1: they're gonna take a punter here though, not trading up. Yeah,

1698
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 1: I do remember that that year they traded and they

1699
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 1: traded Spot when he was with the Eagles, just so

1700
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 1: they could make a trade. Who's the nuts in this

1701
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 1: pick for us? Is that? I think it makes me

1702
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 1: Larry Guy. I think Larry Guy is there, yeah, in

1703
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 1: his hometown born Guy. All Right, So the NFL dot

1704
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 1: Com doesn't have the trade yet. No, they're just saying

1705
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 1: that they right now, it just says they traded with

1706
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 1: Kansas City and say for what? Okay, No, I mean

1707
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 1: they don't even have the Patriots in the slot yet,

1708
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 1: and the pick is in the pick is what do

1709
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,759
Speaker 1: you think? What do you think Patriots? Who did they target?

1710
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:17,000
Speaker 1: Who did they trade up? Burnd No, No, No, that's

1711
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 1: not the pick. That's not the pick. That's not a pick.

1712
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 1: Wasn't a pick. It's not a pick. I'm gonna stick

1713
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: with my my hopes on the Patriots trade. That's gonna

1714
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 1: be my sky More. Okay, I could get behind that.

1715
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 1: See if I don't love him either, Okay, I wouldn't

1716
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 1: be I wouldn't be upset. And that's a guess in

1717
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:39,320
Speaker 1: case anybody's running to Twitter, I'm just guessing sky More. No,

1718
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 1: we don't know yet or either Sky Moore or Chad Muma. Oh,

1719
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 1: I would really be upset about Chad Mum. Okay, see

1720
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 1: what happens here. But we got what do we got?

1721
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 1: Two days in a row trading with the Chefs? Yeah,

1722
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,600
Speaker 1: so that's a fifth round pick the Patriots traded to

1723
01:31:55,640 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 1: move up four spots. Okay, all right, Christian Harris, Oh

1724
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 1: you know they traded the fifth round pick? Wait more,

1725
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:09,959
Speaker 1: your guy Terek Woolen. Too early, Too early, says Curly.

1726
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:13,760
Speaker 1: But if they it's never too early for to put

1727
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 1: it on the Twitter. But not Tai Kwon Thornton? Is

1728
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 1: that who? They took wide receiver from Baylor? Wow? So

1729
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:22,640
Speaker 1: they go with a position I want, but not the

1730
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 1: player I want? Thanks Bill, Well, if we know something.

1731
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:30,640
Speaker 1: The big twelve is look this guy up? Yeah, you

1732
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 1: off off my radar? All right, let me let's see

1733
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 1: so six two three, one eighty three Miami. Uh, let's

1734
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 1: get the I like it. Overall, Thornton will have a

1735
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 1: tougher time masking his lack of builder playstrink versus NFL competition,

1736
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 1: but his speed plays at any level and his midair

1737
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 1: adjustment skills could be what keep him on an NFL

1738
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 1: roster to eight forty. He ran. This guy's a burner

1739
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: very eight, typical patre it's wide receiver to eight. He's

1740
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 1: a fast guy. I like it Sie eight forty. Hey, Fred,

1741
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 1: you said you wanted speed and size. Got both. What's

1742
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 1: his vertical, Paul, what's his vertical? J Thirty six and

1743
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 1: a half or sorry, thirty six and a half at

1744
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 1: the combine, thirty eight and a half at the pro day.

1745
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 1: So he jumped a couple inches higher? What is it third?

1746
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 1: Thirty eight and a half? Broadject out the gym for you. Now,

1747
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 1: my other guy is forty and a half. Okay, well, hey,

1748
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell Okay. So they took a wide receiver, wide receiver.

1749
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 1: You all said defense, but wide receiver here, I did

1750
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 1: say defense, didn't I? Hey, well, this is we're all

1751
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 1: about speed helping Mack Jones. That is clear. I guess

1752
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 1: it is. I'm to be honest, I didn't. I didn't

1753
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: jump into him. Um, based on what I'm reading about him. Now,

1754
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm a little I'm a little surprised. I'm a little surprised.

1755
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of a downfield speed guy. Yeah, it's

1756
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 1: a little different than the pature. That's why I said,

1757
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 1: I say a typical page. It's so. Is that a

1758
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 1: bad thing? No? I don't think so, right, I think

1759
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm just who's Oh this is? This is who's Ben?

1760
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 1: Is it Ben Lepper? Is that his name? That's the recipient? Yeah,

1761
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 1: with the wish recipients? Yes, okay? Can we hear this

1762
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 1: bath no no b being told? Making Way says, which

1763
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 1: was to be able to announce this the draft pick

1764
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 1: for his hometown team, the Patriots sixth times, I have

1765
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:36,840
Speaker 1: to battering overcovering like kenya, I know this is gonna

1766
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:38,640
Speaker 1: be a piece of cake. I want to think the

1767
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 1: NFL Robert Crown for making bitch wish come true. Okay, Ben,

1768
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 1: let's make your wish come true. Let's get the Kansas

1769
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 1: City Chiefs have traded the fiftieth pick to the New

1770
01:34:55,400 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 1: England Patriots. With the fiftieth pick in the twenty twenty

1771
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 1: two NFL Draft, the six times Super Bowl champion New

1772
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 1: England Patriots select Tae Kwon Thornton wide receiver Baylor Oh,

1773
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 1: I like that. Literally pounded the table. He pounded the

1774
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 1: table for Taekwon Thornton and he gave the salute. That's

1775
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 1: how excited all the fans are going to be for

1776
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Okay. I mean the vibe again is like

1777
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:36,679
Speaker 1: a kind of a poor man's Jamison Williams, a little

1778
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 1: bit like a like that kind of skinny I asked

1779
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 1: downfield kind of guy. Yeah, I don't know enough about him.

1780
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah for that, But I mean I I like the

1781
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 1: I what I've been saying about. I think that there's

1782
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 1: a little bit of stubbornness there right right. This is

1783
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 1: an indication he's Okay, let's see if we can get

1784
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:55,840
Speaker 1: a dynamic playmaker. Yeah, I mean, Arlett says a former

1785
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 1: accomplished track star. Thornton is going to be bringing an

1786
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:02,200
Speaker 1: element of speed and big play potential to the table

1787
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 1: right away. So all right, I mean that's it's it's

1788
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 1: some intrigue. I mean, I like guys that have some

1789
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:11,360
Speaker 1: elements to their game that make you think, all right,

1790
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:13,799
Speaker 1: he's got this and it you know at that speed,

1791
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:17,760
Speaker 1: that's great. Will it translate to the to the NFL game.

1792
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,800
Speaker 1: We've seen plenty of guys with four three speed get

1793
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 1: to the NFL and not be able to be fast

1794
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 1: football players. Um, but somebody to jump in on and

1795
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 1: check out a little bit off my radars and all

1796
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 1: I will say, it's another guy that's drafted a little

1797
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,839
Speaker 1: higher than a little bit most people had him projected.

1798
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:36,600
Speaker 1: So you lost a fifth round pick in the in

1799
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:40,519
Speaker 1: the exchange. So we've we're waiting now on two third

1800
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 1: round picks. Unless they move up into the second, we're

1801
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 1: done with the second round for the page, which I

1802
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 1: do think is a possibility. Sure yeah, all right, Well,

1803
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 1: two catches, nine hundred and forty two yards and ten

1804
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:57,840
Speaker 1: touchdowns in twenty one. Um, that's a good, solid year.

1805
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 1: I think this will this one will probably pleased the

1806
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,640
Speaker 1: masses a little bit. And Baylor, I mean they're an

1807
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 1: offensive team right first of all the entire Big twelve conference.

1808
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 1: That's the only thing they could do right score point.

1809
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 1: It's great having college football knowledge. They've actually but they've

1810
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 1: actually changed a lot. If you look at Big twelve scores,

1811
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:20,759
Speaker 1: they look like basketball games sometimes. Yeah, like West Virginia

1812
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 1: versus Baylor type of games. You're like, right, it's literally

1813
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 1: all gas, no breaks, no, nobody plays defense, no, not

1814
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 1: at all. It is funny. I mean, he's I mean

1815
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 1: off my radar, but I haven't really seen him pop

1816
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 1: up at all. And Patriots, you know, I mean look

1817
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 1: at all the reporters and everybody, like similar names keep

1818
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 1: popping up over and over again. This is not one

1819
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 1: of the names that continually popped up. But hey, everybody's

1820
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 1: hot to trot on receivers, so I'm sure that this

1821
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:49,400
Speaker 1: will scratch the itch. Gives you a speed guy to

1822
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:51,800
Speaker 1: watch coming into camp, so I'm happy about that. Ye

1823
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 1: got to see him, though, gotta gotta really kind of

1824
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: dive in and get a sense of what exactly how

1825
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 1: he moves and what kind of player is Well, you know,

1826
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 1: Yle Pittsburgh two spots later takes George Pickens. What does

1827
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh do better than anybody they draft? Pretty well? Well

1828
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:17,840
Speaker 1: at what positions? Linebacker, wide, receiver. Just to torture me,

1829
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 1: That is that all it is? Um? Yeah, So listen,

1830
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:26,559
Speaker 1: I always wonder when the Patriots move up to get

1831
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 1: a guy like who in the rooms? Guy it is?

1832
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 1: You know, because it's not always builds guy Bill makes

1833
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 1: the final decision, But who, Like, who is that player's pet?

1834
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,639
Speaker 1: You know, who's that? You know? And yeah, I just wonder,

1835
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:43,760
Speaker 1: like Baylor, Okay, where's the connection? I don't know, but

1836
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:47,720
Speaker 1: Jared's did him was in the room? Maybe? Yeah? Uh,

1837
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 1: But along the lines of what I was saying. James Christensen,

1838
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 1: who used to write any Patriots draft, same thing. I mean,

1839
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:54,840
Speaker 1: he does. He's into this as anybody wasn't on my

1840
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:57,800
Speaker 1: list of normal Patriots wide receiver targets. But that's probably

1841
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:00,680
Speaker 1: a good thing. So you know we're all looking for

1842
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 1: see like that's the kind of stuff that But like

1843
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:06,160
Speaker 1: I've already on record, this is a fast guy. I

1844
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 1: like it, Okay, But why is everybody have to say

1845
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:11,720
Speaker 1: I didn't have rated here, but that's probably a good thing.

1846
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 1: Or pff. I saw Doug Kide, he was like one

1847
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:17,599
Speaker 1: ninety two one their bold But you know, Bill saw

1848
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 1: something like why does everybody assume that they're right all

1849
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 1: the every time? Automatic assumption is you are wrong and

1850
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 1: he's right. No, not not. I think it's because it's

1851
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 1: a wide receiver who ran a four to eight. I

1852
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 1: mean I think that's I know the last time we

1853
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:34,600
Speaker 1: took one like that, right, probably Bethel Johnson, but that

1854
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,800
Speaker 1: was a long time. My point isn't isn't about this player.

1855
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 1: My point is, why would you like, if you do

1856
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 1: all this work to prepare for the draft, why would

1857
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 1: you just like fall off your conviction? Yeah, and say

1858
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:49,640
Speaker 1: you're wrong because Bill Belichick took him, Yeah, whereas like

1859
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 1: if like the Jaguars took him, you'd say that's why

1860
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 1: they're the Jaguars. Well, I mean, I think it goes

1861
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 1: back to, you know, what we were talking about earlier,

1862
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:01,479
Speaker 1: of that they've got a blind spot a little bit

1863
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 1: for wide receivers that they have. And I think we

1864
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 1: as people who I guess cost play at the draft

1865
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 1: or draft scouting. You you feed off of that and

1866
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:11,439
Speaker 1: you say, well, I think this is the kind of

1867
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 1: guy that they like. They like versatile guys who can

1868
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 1: play a variety of roles within the offense and move

1869
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:19,840
Speaker 1: inside and outside. And you know, usually you're a little

1870
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 1: bit more dismissive of a pure downfield speed guy when

1871
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 1: it seems like the engine of the offense is moving

1872
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:28,000
Speaker 1: guys into place and getting them open. So, you know,

1873
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 1: I think that's what it speaks to a little bit

1874
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 1: of it seems a little bit off the beaten path

1875
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:34,720
Speaker 1: of what they usually take. It. Will it work out?

1876
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:36,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean Paul brought up Bethel Johnson.

1877
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:38,439
Speaker 1: I think that's a good yeah, And just the last

1878
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:40,280
Speaker 1: guy that could run like that that I could remember

1879
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:43,120
Speaker 1: it just I think what frustrates people is that they

1880
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:47,160
Speaker 1: look at these players who general consensuses you can get

1881
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 1: them much later, and New England is moving up or

1882
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:54,560
Speaker 1: taking them much higher than they should have, you know,

1883
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 1: and like it's like, Okay, you'll like the guy, great,

1884
01:40:57,720 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 1: pick him when he's supposed to be picked, and take

1885
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 1: somebody who like Pickens, who's more talented and should be

1886
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 1: picked in that spot, and get the other guy later.

1887
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 1: And that's what And I will say, I'm much more

1888
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:15,519
Speaker 1: willing to overlook a potential reach. Like let's let's say

1889
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 1: that they're right, and this guy was going to be

1890
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:19,400
Speaker 1: available in the third round or or the four. I mean,

1891
01:41:19,439 --> 01:41:21,439
Speaker 1: Mike Rees said he was projected as a mid round pick,

1892
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:25,800
Speaker 1: so I don't even know. So let's say that, right,

1893
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm more willing to overlook that reach because it's a

1894
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 1: guy with special ability, right, it's a guy that runs

1895
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 1: a four two eight forty, And they're not you know,

1896
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 1: there's not a ton of those guys as opposed to

1897
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:38,920
Speaker 1: a guard, which, as Bill has told me time and

1898
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:42,599
Speaker 1: time again, you can find you know, like, I don't

1899
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:45,040
Speaker 1: think there was something special about Cole Strange that said,

1900
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:47,559
Speaker 1: I know he's not going to go for another round,

1901
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:49,720
Speaker 1: but I gotta take him right whereas there might be

1902
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:52,760
Speaker 1: something special about this guy. Yea, and it's the four

1903
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:55,519
Speaker 1: two eight forty ye Now, whether he can play or not,

1904
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:58,120
Speaker 1: we'll see, yep. I want some of our callers that

1905
01:41:58,240 --> 01:41:59,760
Speaker 1: love the receivers to call in to hear what they

1906
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:06,080
Speaker 1: they think about saying right now, no, m y, let's

1907
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:11,639
Speaker 1: go to the phones. Justin's in Virginia. I'm gonna give

1908
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 1: you guys a hot take. I really don't like the

1909
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:17,400
Speaker 1: wide receiver. No, I think he's even worse than Cold Strange.

1910
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:19,920
Speaker 1: That's even worse than the Cold Strange pick. Because the

1911
01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:23,200
Speaker 1: thing about the Cold Strange pick is I saw no

1912
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 1: one ranked him above like seventy five, but people did

1913
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 1: mock him in the first two rounds because the the

1914
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 1: um the argument for Cole Strange was that you played

1915
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 1: really good at the Senior Bowl, had a really really

1916
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 1: good combine. Like I want to say it was a

1917
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:48,640
Speaker 1: record broad jump ump for his but like and and

1918
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 1: I can buy that if ye Bill Belichick, if that

1919
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:56,560
Speaker 1: was the top guard on Bill belichick S boards, and

1920
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:59,120
Speaker 1: he said, you know, we got a tech mac. We

1921
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 1: lost these losses interior pieces. We gotta protect mac. I

1922
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 1: can buy somewhere in like the top fifty picks, cold Strange,

1923
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:09,880
Speaker 1: I can buy it. I don't know if this guy

1924
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:11,840
Speaker 1: should have been drafted in the first one hundred and

1925
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:16,439
Speaker 1: fifty picks. Honestly, Like I looked at like twenty five

1926
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 1: different receivers did not see this guy, did not see him.

1927
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:22,160
Speaker 1: Ye see. Now this is where I'm gonna defend it again.

1928
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:24,040
Speaker 1: Like I have a top hundred list and he's here,

1929
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:27,760
Speaker 1: He's one of the four He's he's the fourteenth. This

1930
01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 1: is this is Bob McGinn who does this for a living,

1931
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 1: and he's very good at it. And he's got to

1932
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:36,280
Speaker 1: miss his fourteenth wide receiver. I mean, just that's that's

1933
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:38,639
Speaker 1: the last one. I'm near four pole. If you believe

1934
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:43,559
Speaker 1: in it, I'm here. Oh I'm not pumped the brakes. Yeah,

1935
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:47,960
Speaker 1: I am just saying that I would be willing to

1936
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:51,479
Speaker 1: overlook a reach for a guy who has a special skill,

1937
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:54,679
Speaker 1: more so than an offensive lineman, especially in the interior

1938
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:57,639
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. If you look at cold Strange combine numbers,

1939
01:43:57,720 --> 01:43:59,880
Speaker 1: he had a really, really good guy. And I'm not

1940
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:01,800
Speaker 1: gonna act like because the guy had a really good

1941
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 1: broad jump that team. He should be drafted in the

1942
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:05,880
Speaker 1: first round. I don't think you should be drafting in

1943
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:09,400
Speaker 1: the first round, but maybe late second I can buy it.

1944
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:12,559
Speaker 1: I can't like. Yeah, And what I'm saying is if

1945
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:15,080
Speaker 1: you you have more intel on the guy though I don't.

1946
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,920
Speaker 1: I don't have more intail on him. Alec Pierce. Oh,

1947
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:23,599
Speaker 1: there goes Alec Pierce. That run on. But I appreciate

1948
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:26,240
Speaker 1: everything you guys doing. Be on the line with you guys.

1949
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:31,599
Speaker 1: Take there alright, alright, now the run on wide receivers

1950
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:34,719
Speaker 1: for this year, I'm gonna be like, Okay, who's playing

1951
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 1: better our guy or Alec Pierce. There's gonna be a

1952
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 1: lot of that going on. I mean I'm gonna be

1953
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:44,439
Speaker 1: doing that with Pittsburgh McDuffie, yeah, Pickens, Yeah, I mean

1954
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:46,679
Speaker 1: I hate doing that. But because Pierce is sixty three,

1955
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 1: he runs a four to three. I mean, he's another

1956
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:53,640
Speaker 1: guy that has that type of speed and size. You

1957
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:58,519
Speaker 1: know Pickens too, I mean he was just tough blocking,

1958
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:00,960
Speaker 1: pushing guys into the ground like just and he's throwing

1959
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:02,920
Speaker 1: him out of the club. Some of those kind of

1960
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:07,960
Speaker 1: clips with Pickens coming back from the ACL. Yeah, I

1961
01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta check out this. Okay, I'll say it

1962
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:16,719
Speaker 1: looks like Ties from Miami Florida and those guys can ball.

1963
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:20,120
Speaker 1: So what was what was Fred's guy? My first year

1964
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:27,280
Speaker 1: they undrafted Jeff. Jeff Thomas was problem, right, he was,

1965
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:33,120
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Jeff and like like the third week a

1966
01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 1: camp for like two practices and right, and that was it. Well,

1967
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, you take a fly. But Fred, it was crazy.

1968
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:41,640
Speaker 1: He wasn't the only one. Like the media was like

1969
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:44,719
Speaker 1: did stories every day about this Jeff Thomas and potential,

1970
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:47,080
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, I love the U. I mean

1971
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 1: it's just it's got. It's one of the colleges that

1972
01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:52,360
Speaker 1: have a mystique a college football missee. Yeah, and what's

1973
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 1: the high school saying? Aquinas thas sweet? It's just a

1974
01:45:57,439 --> 01:46:01,639
Speaker 1: factory Paul. He's only twenty one, so yeah, well he's

1975
01:46:01,720 --> 01:46:04,559
Speaker 1: he's he's not a step away from social security. Right.

1976
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:09,800
Speaker 1: Speaking of the U, there is a wide receiver there

1977
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:14,320
Speaker 1: that not today pick but like maybe tomorrow pick. But

1978
01:46:14,439 --> 01:46:17,439
Speaker 1: technically he transferred from OU. But Rambo, I think Rambo's

1979
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:19,840
Speaker 1: really great. I had a lot of people in my

1980
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:23,320
Speaker 1: mentions about check out Rambo. Rambo check a lot of people.

1981
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:25,600
Speaker 1: He has a lot of fans out there. Um, I

1982
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:30,760
Speaker 1: think he has the speed in the size that Fred wants. Um. Great,

1983
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:33,760
Speaker 1: you know he'll go out there and get it great

1984
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:36,120
Speaker 1: hops as Fred wants. I'd also like a guy who

1985
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:38,479
Speaker 1: can get open you know, it doesn't always have to

1986
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:43,639
Speaker 1: be contested. Yeah, he's great. Uh, let's go to William

1987
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:47,880
Speaker 1: and Phillham. What's up William? We know he would have

1988
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 1: been a good one. I would love to hear what

1989
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:51,760
Speaker 1: he had to say. Yeah, he's just coast. He just

1990
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:54,880
Speaker 1: hung up, hung up. So then we'll go to Oh,

1991
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:58,519
Speaker 1: this is our fellow who, um, you know, was really

1992
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:03,639
Speaker 1: distraught yesterday. John's in Duxbury. What's up John? H Yeah

1993
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:06,240
Speaker 1: I was. I said two things to you guys yesterday.

1994
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:08,800
Speaker 1: You're hope they don't pray it down, and I hope

1995
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:11,680
Speaker 1: they don't take a guy. They did both right, and

1996
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:15,680
Speaker 1: you're still here though. I'm glad to hear your voice. No, no,

1997
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 1: thank god, I am. I'll tell you right now. Uh.

1998
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:21,880
Speaker 1: I was reading a story about Picks and they said

1999
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:25,040
Speaker 1: he's got serious maturity issues. It's been a couple of

2000
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:28,000
Speaker 1: fights down there that suspended a couple of times. So

2001
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:32,479
Speaker 1: I think that's tough. No, you know, focused, I like it. Emotional.

2002
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:34,760
Speaker 1: Pittsburghs used to that football meet a lot to them.

2003
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:38,360
Speaker 1: I like it. Antonio brownis my kind of guy. I

2004
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:40,640
Speaker 1: give them credit though, for trading up. I thought they

2005
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 1: were gonna sit on the hand and be, you know,

2006
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 1: instead of being proactive, being reactive like he usually is.

2007
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:49,960
Speaker 1: So hopefully this guy will work out. Yeah, well, I

2008
01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:52,240
Speaker 1: appreciate it. John thinks of the call. Let's look at

2009
01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:54,960
Speaker 1: the players that the Patriots have actually traded up to get.

2010
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:57,720
Speaker 1: Would you say that more often than not it was

2011
01:47:57,800 --> 01:47:59,760
Speaker 1: a good move. Can you tell me who they have?

2012
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:08,160
Speaker 1: Barre Chandler Jones, Tandler Jones. Yes, yes, Will Fork traded

2013
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:10,200
Speaker 1: up for him. He just fell to them, right, he

2014
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:13,120
Speaker 1: fell to that. Yeah, he felt Daniel Graham. I'm not

2015
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:15,360
Speaker 1: as Daniel Graham is one they traded up for. It

2016
01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:18,559
Speaker 1: didn't work. Yeah, well, um, yeah it wasn't great. Yeah,

2017
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I'm lessly interested in the trade ups

2018
01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:23,720
Speaker 1: in the second you know, for the first round, the

2019
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:27,200
Speaker 1: trade for they traded up for Gronk right before get

2020
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:30,519
Speaker 1: up for the Ravens. Yeah, when they trade up, they

2021
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:34,320
Speaker 1: know what they're doing. They always know what they're doing.

2022
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 1: Come on, they're gonna have a better reaction that. Well,

2023
01:48:38,439 --> 01:48:41,240
Speaker 1: I just gave you what you we're looking for. I

2024
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:43,400
Speaker 1: always know what I wanted you to jump down my throat,

2025
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:46,200
Speaker 1: That's what I was looking for him. I the only

2026
01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:48,960
Speaker 1: real I mean, Daniel Graham was a trade up and

2027
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:52,160
Speaker 1: the two in in twenty twelve. Yeah, yeah, I don't really,

2028
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:54,880
Speaker 1: I can't really think of Barmore. Well, I think maybe

2029
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:57,200
Speaker 1: they traded up like a spot for Ty Warren or

2030
01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:59,360
Speaker 1: something like that. I don't know. Yeah, I think you're right.

2031
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 1: I don't remember. You're right. Yeah, maybe the Gronk one

2032
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 1: is the best one though. Second round? What are you

2033
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:08,519
Speaker 1: talking about? A ten end of all time? Right? No,

2034
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:11,600
Speaker 1: I know, but it's like like trading up to I

2035
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:13,599
Speaker 1: don't know. You're right. They traded up for a guy

2036
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 1: with back problems that a lot of people thought that's

2037
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 1: the only reason the second round? Yeah, well, what's the

2038
01:49:18,360 --> 01:49:21,000
Speaker 1: only reason why he's in the second I also, Patriots

2039
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:22,840
Speaker 1: were one of like three teams that could take them.

2040
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:26,040
Speaker 1: What do you mean that could take them? Like right now?

2041
01:49:26,360 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 1: The Patriots couldn't make that pick. Why because the coach

2042
01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:33,599
Speaker 1: could get fired if it doesn't work. Yeah, because they

2043
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:36,800
Speaker 1: had Brady they could afford to do. No, Belichick was

2044
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:38,880
Speaker 1: in his prime and there's nothing that was going to

2045
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:40,720
Speaker 1: happen that was going to put his job in Jeopards. Ok,

2046
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:44,719
Speaker 1: Like Carolina Panthers couldn't take a guy who had missed

2047
01:49:44,720 --> 01:49:47,439
Speaker 1: the whole year and with back surgery, right, Yeah, because

2048
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:51,599
Speaker 1: Matt Rule's gonna get fired if that doesn't pan out. Yeah, well,

2049
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm you know when the guy more went to Kansas,

2050
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:57,800
Speaker 1: when they target somebody, they know something, did he? Yeah?

2051
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 1: I like my guy better than Khalil Squire. I don't

2052
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:06,000
Speaker 1: know about this. I don't know about Thorton, about who

2053
01:50:07,120 --> 01:50:10,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh wow, I don't know about him. Really.

2054
01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:12,680
Speaker 1: I never thought I would see the day that I

2055
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:15,479
Speaker 1: was more enthusiastic about a paper draft pick than Mike was.

2056
01:50:15,680 --> 01:50:18,280
Speaker 1: I never thought two picks in a row where Mike's

2057
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:21,479
Speaker 1: not half Yeah, I mean I'm in a reserve judgment

2058
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:24,200
Speaker 1: until I can really watch him actually play. But just

2059
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, going through some research. Now, Yeah, I don't

2060
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:30,160
Speaker 1: know my speed, guys, but even then I can run

2061
01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:33,280
Speaker 1: routes though. I remember I remember Paul brought up Bethel

2062
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:36,240
Speaker 1: Johnson and I remember going you know to training camp.

2063
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:39,080
Speaker 1: It might have been even mini camp, and back then

2064
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 1: we could actually get on the field and I was

2065
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 1: in the end zone and he was returning kicks and

2066
01:50:44,439 --> 01:50:47,040
Speaker 1: I had never seen anyone get to full speed so

2067
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:51,640
Speaker 1: fast like it was. It was noticeable how quickly he

2068
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:55,840
Speaker 1: got from zero to sixty. But he just it was

2069
01:50:55,880 --> 01:50:58,920
Speaker 1: faster than Fred got in that ice cream. Yeah. But

2070
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, like he was a consistent player. I mean

2071
01:51:02,120 --> 01:51:04,679
Speaker 1: he had his moments as a Patriot. Yeah. His problem

2072
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 1: was not ability and no, it was mental. He didn't

2073
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:09,360
Speaker 1: want to take coaching. Remember what he said, you know

2074
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 1: more if someone tells me what to do, the less

2075
01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:13,800
Speaker 1: I want to do it. Right. That's a good trait. Yeah,

2076
01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:16,320
Speaker 1: you know that's not good on a team. You know.

2077
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:20,080
Speaker 1: Willie used to bust his balls. Oh yeah, I think

2078
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:22,280
Speaker 1: it's an interesting pick. I'm curious what the what the

2079
01:51:22,360 --> 01:51:24,640
Speaker 1: reaction is going to be because the things that I

2080
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:27,040
Speaker 1: see are that he's fast, he's got great speed, and

2081
01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:29,040
Speaker 1: that that he can separate. And these are you know,

2082
01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:33,400
Speaker 1: constant refrains from the critics of of the Patriots offense

2083
01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 1: that they don't have enough speed and that they don't

2084
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:39,040
Speaker 1: have guys that can separate. So on paper, it seems

2085
01:51:39,080 --> 01:51:41,519
Speaker 1: like this guy can do that. Now, can he pick

2086
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:43,560
Speaker 1: up the offense? Can he you know, come in and

2087
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:46,479
Speaker 1: contribute immediately with what they have on the depth chart?

2088
01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:48,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's I mean, wouldn't that be a

2089
01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:52,160
Speaker 1: concern for any receiver they picked? Absolutely? But I think

2090
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:56,559
Speaker 1: if I saw him, that's good. Trey McBride's first tight

2091
01:51:56,640 --> 01:51:59,120
Speaker 1: end off the board. Wow, So too, do you think

2092
01:51:59,120 --> 01:52:00,920
Speaker 1: we'll see a wide receiver every year like this where

2093
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:03,880
Speaker 1: there hasn't been a wide receiver taken Like there's just

2094
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:05,760
Speaker 1: always such a mass of them in the last three

2095
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:08,639
Speaker 1: years and now it's like these random positions keep only

2096
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:11,160
Speaker 1: not random. But but you know, quarterback, Yeah, you kind

2097
01:52:11,200 --> 01:52:13,040
Speaker 1: of think that's hand in hand. You talk about seven

2098
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:15,400
Speaker 1: on seven and these guys are learning how to do

2099
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:17,559
Speaker 1: it all the time, and there's gotta be quarterbacks too.

2100
01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:19,400
Speaker 1: But somehow you've hit hit a void. I wonder if

2101
01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:23,320
Speaker 1: you'll hit avoid with with that with wide receiver position.

2102
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:26,160
Speaker 1: But I'm going into Thornton trying to be with an

2103
01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:28,800
Speaker 1: open mind. But I just sometimes I think that these

2104
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:31,400
Speaker 1: this is, this should be what the fans want, right,

2105
01:52:31,479 --> 01:52:33,160
Speaker 1: I mean, there might be some people that complain that

2106
01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:36,280
Speaker 1: you overdrafted them again, But I think as you get

2107
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:38,559
Speaker 1: into this phase of the draft, it's like you're kind

2108
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:41,360
Speaker 1: of splitting hairs. But here's the other one. Okay, And

2109
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:44,200
Speaker 1: again I think I'm a little higher on Thornton than

2110
01:52:44,280 --> 01:52:47,479
Speaker 1: you are. But this will be another referendum because at

2111
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:51,000
Speaker 1: fifty you trade it up and took taekwon Thornton at

2112
01:52:51,080 --> 01:52:54,080
Speaker 1: fifty two, George Pickens fifty three, Alec Pierce fifty four.

2113
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:57,040
Speaker 1: Sky more right, this is you're You're gonna have three

2114
01:52:57,120 --> 01:53:01,680
Speaker 1: guys to directly compare them to, right, And you know,

2115
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:07,200
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's gonna have Mitchell Trubisky or Kenny Pickett, probably Trubisky.

2116
01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:11,880
Speaker 1: Indie's gonna have what's his face, Matt Ryan, Matt Ryan,

2117
01:53:12,040 --> 01:53:15,200
Speaker 1: and Kansas City is gonna have Mahomes, which obviously excus

2118
01:53:15,240 --> 01:53:20,719
Speaker 1: it a little bit. Yep um. So your guys should

2119
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:23,360
Speaker 1: be as good as their guys. Yes, you know, maybe

2120
01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:26,760
Speaker 1: I'll give I'll give more because of Mahomes. I'll give more,

2121
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:29,719
Speaker 1: you know, the the edge if he has more more catches.

2122
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:32,120
Speaker 1: How's that? I like it? I knew I saw you

2123
01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:33,760
Speaker 1: going there, I saw you going there. I let you go.

2124
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:36,960
Speaker 1: But but the other guys in Indian Pittsburgh. You know,

2125
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:39,000
Speaker 1: your guys should be able to do the same as

2126
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:41,720
Speaker 1: their guys. Cowboys are about to get their guy. Oh

2127
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:44,719
Speaker 1: yeah again a big war room. He looks like a doctor,

2128
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:48,760
Speaker 1: evil villain like in the big right, that big star

2129
01:53:48,920 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 1: above them. We're going to pay you one million. That's

2130
01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:55,679
Speaker 1: really not a lot of money these days, Jerry, That's

2131
01:53:55,720 --> 01:53:58,000
Speaker 1: that's not a lot. Where's his grandson? I like watching

2132
01:53:58,040 --> 01:54:00,800
Speaker 1: his grandson slowly age up as he's always a table

2133
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:04,640
Speaker 1: over there on the left. Wow. The Steelers literally just

2134
01:54:04,720 --> 01:54:09,439
Speaker 1: tweeting your food, our picks, picket and pickings. Oh what

2135
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:15,920
Speaker 1: what's that? Pittsburgh tweeted our picks, pick it and pickings. Okay,

2136
01:54:15,960 --> 01:54:20,439
Speaker 1: they're taking the draft seriously, picks can pick them? Oh

2137
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:26,639
Speaker 1: my god? All right, uh yeah, cowboys are on the clock.

2138
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:30,559
Speaker 1: The pick is in Tyler Smith. Tyler Smith. They already

2139
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 1: picked him, d e. Tyler Smith. Oh another Tyler Smith.

2140
01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:39,960
Speaker 1: We're the fifty six pick in the twenty twenty two

2141
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:47,760
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. The Dallas Cowboys select Sam Williams. So they

2142
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:52,160
Speaker 1: have two what I don't know, what do they have?

2143
01:54:52,240 --> 01:54:53,760
Speaker 1: Do they pick? Do they have? Do they select two

2144
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:57,840
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith. I'm saying, now they have two they picked

2145
01:54:57,840 --> 01:55:00,840
Speaker 1: two guys on defense. Oh no, Tyler SMI it's a tackle. Okay.

2146
01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:03,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't say what in the world he's an offensive tackle. Ye,

2147
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:13,640
Speaker 1: remember I said, Tyrn Smith. Yeah, there you go. Wait,

2148
01:55:13,880 --> 01:55:19,320
Speaker 1: the grandsons and cheese off the Wait. No, the graphic

2149
01:55:19,400 --> 01:55:23,120
Speaker 1: on the TV does say defensive end. Yeah for this guy.

2150
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:26,120
Speaker 1: This guy, Tyler Smith was Tyler Smith is the first

2151
01:55:26,200 --> 01:55:28,240
Speaker 1: round pick they made last night. Yeah. I was like, what,

2152
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm surprised for not lighting cigars and like, you know,

2153
01:55:34,040 --> 01:55:36,800
Speaker 1: toasting each third guy not on the top, right, Jerry,

2154
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:39,200
Speaker 1: we still have five rounds to go. I think everyone

2155
01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:42,080
Speaker 1: just throwing away their tap one hundred lists right now. Grandpa,

2156
01:55:42,120 --> 01:55:46,320
Speaker 1: we need more mozzarella sticks. Shot up, Bobby, We're getting

2157
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:50,040
Speaker 1: our guy over here. We're getting our guy. Oh that's fun,

2158
01:55:50,240 --> 01:55:54,400
Speaker 1: fun stuff, fun cowboys. I would the Bills. The Bills

2159
01:55:54,440 --> 01:56:02,640
Speaker 1: have traded with the Bucks. Maybe the getting a running back. Okay,

2160
01:56:02,760 --> 01:56:07,280
Speaker 1: the Bills are on the clock, all right, So I

2161
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:10,160
Speaker 1: think that they haven't picks. It's elim I don't think so, right,

2162
01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:14,640
Speaker 1: another piece for them. Maybe let's go see what more

2163
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:18,720
Speaker 1: people And I can't talk. Chris is in Scottsdale. What's up, Chris.

2164
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:28,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what the Bills did. Yeah, it'll never

2165
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:30,800
Speaker 1: get a little, this Sword of God, it will get old.

2166
01:56:31,200 --> 01:56:34,120
Speaker 1: Um okay. So Paul, thank God man for you to

2167
01:56:34,240 --> 01:56:36,160
Speaker 1: be on this show. Can you talk into the bike?

2168
01:56:36,680 --> 01:56:39,040
Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, you sound like you're really far away

2169
01:56:39,320 --> 01:56:41,120
Speaker 1: first to say it. I certainly won't be the last.

2170
01:56:41,240 --> 01:56:44,800
Speaker 1: But um okay. And Samara, welcome to the show. Hi.

2171
01:56:45,320 --> 01:56:47,640
Speaker 1: Good to have a nice edition. So it's nice to

2172
01:56:47,720 --> 01:56:51,400
Speaker 1: have you aboard here. Um okay. So Deuce, I got

2173
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:53,320
Speaker 1: a bone to pick with you, man, and I've been

2174
01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:55,480
Speaker 1: doing on it since it was like five years ago

2175
01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:59,080
Speaker 1: when I when I called in. Yeah okay, So there

2176
01:56:59,240 --> 01:57:02,360
Speaker 1: was some sort of somebody alluded to you know, you

2177
01:57:02,840 --> 01:57:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, being a bill honk and you know, things

2178
01:57:05,120 --> 01:57:07,240
Speaker 1: like that or whatever. And I think why that happens?

2179
01:57:07,320 --> 01:57:10,560
Speaker 1: And I experienced this firsthand with you and and I

2180
01:57:10,720 --> 01:57:13,480
Speaker 1: honestly hated it. But it is what it is. Uh,

2181
01:57:14,040 --> 01:57:17,640
Speaker 1: it's it's the snide size and the deep breaths and

2182
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:20,200
Speaker 1: the oh, I know, you know, like we're reaching and

2183
01:57:20,280 --> 01:57:22,080
Speaker 1: it's this and it's bad. And this is again way

2184
01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:25,040
Speaker 1: before the draft. You know, people complaining about the picks

2185
01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:26,720
Speaker 1: that he makes and so on and so forth. And

2186
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:28,800
Speaker 1: this is why I say thank God for Paul, because Paul,

2187
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, you know, Fred spread it is what it is.

2188
01:57:31,560 --> 01:57:35,880
Speaker 1: He's well renowned for it. But Paul literally calls it

2189
01:57:36,160 --> 01:57:39,360
Speaker 1: like it is, flat out, like he doesn't kiss anybody's cut.

2190
01:57:39,480 --> 01:57:42,600
Speaker 1: He absolutely calls the picks and decisions that we make

2191
01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:44,600
Speaker 1: as a team, but they are No, you're right, he's

2192
01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:50,200
Speaker 1: always hated the Patriot. No. But but he's just realistic

2193
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:53,800
Speaker 1: and regard and he's a fan and regardless, and he

2194
01:57:53,880 --> 01:57:59,560
Speaker 1: agrees with you. Fred shut it for a second. Whoa

2195
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:06,240
Speaker 1: trying to? He was there, He would give me a

2196
01:58:06,280 --> 01:58:09,640
Speaker 1: standing out right now in class and dead um. But anyways,

2197
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:13,840
Speaker 1: Fred's listening. So what I'm trying to say, Douce, is

2198
01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:17,280
Speaker 1: that it is frustrating from a fan perspective because these

2199
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:19,960
Speaker 1: takes and these frustrations, and you know, as a former

2200
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:23,360
Speaker 1: fan or a fan and former lawyer and what have you,

2201
01:58:23,560 --> 01:58:28,280
Speaker 1: that they're famous complaint man, They're they're well renowned complaints

2202
01:58:28,600 --> 01:58:30,880
Speaker 1: that we've had for years and years and years under

2203
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:34,000
Speaker 1: this under Bill pooplage. And I gotta tell you something,

2204
01:58:34,040 --> 01:58:36,720
Speaker 1: then you know that the reachie for picks, you know,

2205
01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:40,480
Speaker 1: the safety that we took up book in the second round.

2206
01:58:40,640 --> 01:58:43,800
Speaker 1: Richardson George Richardson or whatever his name was, became about

2207
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:46,560
Speaker 1: Richards Jordan Richardson. Yeah, Richards there you go. Yeah, you

2208
01:58:46,640 --> 01:58:49,080
Speaker 1: know it's these trust the picks and and the second

2209
01:58:49,160 --> 01:58:51,400
Speaker 1: round reaches and trading down out of the first round

2210
01:58:51,440 --> 01:58:54,880
Speaker 1: and he you know, trading great players to other teams. No, no, here,

2211
01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:56,880
Speaker 1: you guys have these great players. We're just gonna go

2212
01:58:57,000 --> 01:58:59,640
Speaker 1: down and we're gonna take super mediocre guys. We're gonna

2213
01:58:59,640 --> 01:59:02,080
Speaker 1: take them well over draft slot and we're just gonna

2214
01:59:02,120 --> 01:59:04,080
Speaker 1: do our thing over here. And you could get away

2215
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:06,560
Speaker 1: with it. This is a comment that where you say

2216
01:59:06,640 --> 01:59:10,040
Speaker 1: all the time, uh, dues, you could get away with it,

2217
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:13,240
Speaker 1: how and why because you had Brady right and you're

2218
01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:16,080
Speaker 1: sick of hearing that. But guess what those are facts. Gack,

2219
01:59:16,520 --> 01:59:19,800
Speaker 1: that's the reality of it. I cannot wait until Bill

2220
01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:22,040
Speaker 1: Belichick and I thought I would never ever ever say this,

2221
01:59:22,200 --> 01:59:25,000
Speaker 1: and you already know where I'm going. I cannot wait

2222
01:59:25,160 --> 01:59:29,480
Speaker 1: for the day when Craft finally says, listen, you're absolutely

2223
01:59:29,680 --> 01:59:32,800
Speaker 1: guestimating our team. When I spent in five shows Ago

2224
01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:35,800
Speaker 1: that we were in shambles. I want that we have

2225
01:59:35,880 --> 01:59:39,240
Speaker 1: a quarterback that is not an absolute campus. The rest

2226
01:59:39,320 --> 01:59:42,240
Speaker 1: of the team is completely mediocre. We do not have

2227
01:59:42,440 --> 01:59:44,920
Speaker 1: any kind of beasts on our team, no star power,

2228
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:47,880
Speaker 1: no nothing from a fan perspective. I'm just gonna tell

2229
01:59:47,880 --> 01:59:49,920
Speaker 1: you straight up, when I slip on the channel and

2230
01:59:54,040 --> 02:00:01,600
Speaker 1: tackle Central, go on, I'm just gonna say this real quick.

2231
02:00:01,640 --> 02:00:05,280
Speaker 1: Can I just interrupt you real quick? Luke Goodecki. Okay,

2232
02:00:05,400 --> 02:00:09,160
Speaker 1: So Bill made a comment last night in his press conference,

2233
02:00:10,280 --> 02:00:14,960
Speaker 1: and he suggested that Cole Strange wouldn't have been around

2234
02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:16,840
Speaker 1: much longer and Tampa Bay had the first pick of

2235
02:00:16,920 --> 02:00:21,040
Speaker 1: the second round. Okay, Tampa Bay just traded up three

2236
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:23,360
Speaker 1: or four spots to take a tackle out of Central

2237
02:00:23,400 --> 02:00:25,280
Speaker 1: Michigan that a lot of people project as a guard.

2238
02:00:26,440 --> 02:00:31,320
Speaker 1: So maybe, maybe, maybe Cole Strange gets taken by Tampa

2239
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:33,520
Speaker 1: Bay at the top of the second round. Good point.

2240
02:00:33,680 --> 02:00:35,840
Speaker 1: I doubt it, but it's possible they took They took

2241
02:00:35,880 --> 02:00:39,640
Speaker 1: the position, so so I think it's you know, you know,

2242
02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:43,560
Speaker 1: this guy was a second according to NFL dot com,

2243
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:46,640
Speaker 1: this guy was a second or third round projection, so

2244
02:00:46,920 --> 02:00:50,160
Speaker 1: he went where he was projected ye, Chris. I'm sorry

2245
02:00:50,160 --> 02:00:51,560
Speaker 1: didn't get to respond to you on the air, but

2246
02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:54,800
Speaker 1: I have questions for you call back this week. Um,

2247
02:00:54,880 --> 02:00:57,040
Speaker 1: when did you start hitting Bill Belichick? When did it

2248
02:00:57,080 --> 02:00:59,680
Speaker 1: become so miserable for you? That? You know? I like

2249
02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:03,520
Speaker 1: because I appreciate a coach and I enjoy watching him

2250
02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:06,480
Speaker 1: how he does it. I'm not saying that perfect. Yeah,

2251
02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here and telling you that everything has

2252
02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:11,200
Speaker 1: gone great. I know exactly what the state of the

2253
02:01:11,280 --> 02:01:12,840
Speaker 1: team is. I agree with you on a lot of

2254
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:14,880
Speaker 1: the points of where it stands right now. But to

2255
02:01:14,960 --> 02:01:18,520
Speaker 1: go back into the middle of twenty twelve, two years

2256
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:21,120
Speaker 1: before they won a Super Bowl and complain about their picks, like,

2257
02:01:21,680 --> 02:01:23,840
Speaker 1: what do you what is your expectation? Like, he's a

2258
02:01:23,880 --> 02:01:25,840
Speaker 1: football coach. I don't I'm not telling you that it

2259
02:01:25,960 --> 02:01:28,280
Speaker 1: was all him magic pulling the strings behind the scene.

2260
02:01:28,280 --> 02:01:30,480
Speaker 1: But he's a good football coach and I appreciate that,

2261
02:01:30,600 --> 02:01:32,040
Speaker 1: and I like watching it, and I don't know how

2262
02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:34,200
Speaker 1: it's going to end, but I'm looking forward to watching

2263
02:01:34,240 --> 02:01:36,960
Speaker 1: how it does. I'm finding this highly dramatic. What he's

2264
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:40,240
Speaker 1: doing right now is certainly driving me crazy. I'm sure

2265
02:01:40,320 --> 02:01:42,880
Speaker 1: brings you excitement, but I ask a question without starting

2266
02:01:42,920 --> 02:01:46,640
Speaker 1: an argument. No, but go ahead, probably, Okay, go ahead,

2267
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:50,160
Speaker 1: do it. Well, here's my thing, Like, and I think

2268
02:01:50,200 --> 02:01:51,800
Speaker 1: with some people, and I'm not telling you that I'm

2269
02:01:51,800 --> 02:01:54,040
Speaker 1: in this camp, but I think some people are starting

2270
02:01:54,040 --> 02:01:56,480
Speaker 1: to get in the camp of they think they were

2271
02:01:56,520 --> 02:02:00,320
Speaker 1: wrong about Bill Belichick. You're not that good a coach

2272
02:02:00,360 --> 02:02:03,320
Speaker 1: according to this guy. Was he like this whole time?

2273
02:02:03,480 --> 02:02:07,440
Speaker 1: That's what he feels. Yeah, right, Like so like I've

2274
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:11,720
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, I've watched He's a really good well is he? Yeah? Yes, yes,

2275
02:02:11,800 --> 02:02:13,720
Speaker 1: I listen to the player. So you listen to the players,

2276
02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:15,720
Speaker 1: not the fans. So you got well, the players owe

2277
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:17,920
Speaker 1: their careers to him. Yeah, but still you listen to

2278
02:02:17,960 --> 02:02:20,400
Speaker 1: anybody who comes in who doesn't owe their career to him,

2279
02:02:20,440 --> 02:02:22,800
Speaker 1: somebody who comes in and is like the impression that

2280
02:02:22,920 --> 02:02:24,800
Speaker 1: they have of him, of what he starts. And I'm

2281
02:02:24,840 --> 02:02:26,480
Speaker 1: not telling you that a football coach pulls all the

2282
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:29,200
Speaker 1: magic strings and makes all the magic happen. Like you know,

2283
02:02:29,360 --> 02:02:31,320
Speaker 1: I think people think that I give him one hundred

2284
02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:33,200
Speaker 1: percent credit, but like I do give him. I think

2285
02:02:33,200 --> 02:02:34,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people do. I don't think that you

2286
02:02:34,880 --> 02:02:37,000
Speaker 1: do that. I don't I don't think that you're like that.

2287
02:02:37,680 --> 02:02:40,600
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people think that he is

2288
02:02:40,720 --> 02:02:44,360
Speaker 1: just this can't miss do what, do no wrong coach

2289
02:02:44,440 --> 02:02:48,400
Speaker 1: who is responsible. I think people felt people for Brady left.

2290
02:02:48,440 --> 02:02:51,120
Speaker 1: I think people felt that Bill was largely responsible for

2291
02:02:51,160 --> 02:02:53,720
Speaker 1: the success and I think some people now don't think

2292
02:02:53,760 --> 02:02:57,120
Speaker 1: that way anymore. Listen, he's not perfect, but who else

2293
02:02:57,160 --> 02:03:00,520
Speaker 1: would you want? We just have a quarterback taken? Was

2294
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:02,720
Speaker 1: that a wide receiver he is throwing? I mean not

2295
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:04,920
Speaker 1: right now? I like and I don't. I'm not gonna

2296
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:06,400
Speaker 1: tell you that it's all gonna work out great and

2297
02:03:06,440 --> 02:03:08,040
Speaker 1: don't worry guys like coach Rane is gonna be the

2298
02:03:08,040 --> 02:03:09,640
Speaker 1: next All Pro and it's all gonna work out like

2299
02:03:09,720 --> 02:03:12,600
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know, but I think he's I

2300
02:03:12,640 --> 02:03:14,280
Speaker 1: think he's a good coach. And I think that the

2301
02:03:14,320 --> 02:03:16,440
Speaker 1: players who played with him would tell you the same.

2302
02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:19,640
Speaker 1: And if you want to retroactively go back and say

2303
02:03:19,720 --> 02:03:21,440
Speaker 1: that he was just an idiot at the wheel who

2304
02:03:21,560 --> 02:03:24,320
Speaker 1: somehow struck luck with well, would not just Tom Brady

2305
02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:27,760
Speaker 1: get more information some other players. When you get more information,

2306
02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:32,600
Speaker 1: doesn't that like impact the So how should have happened? Paul?

2307
02:03:32,600 --> 02:03:35,640
Speaker 1: Should he have gone from Tom Brady in twenty nineteen

2308
02:03:35,680 --> 02:03:36,960
Speaker 1: to Cam Newton and they should have been in the

2309
02:03:37,000 --> 02:03:38,960
Speaker 1: AFC Championship again, and then Mac Jones they should be

2310
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:41,120
Speaker 1: an AFC Championships. Is that what the bar is to

2311
02:03:41,280 --> 02:03:44,200
Speaker 1: like say that he's a good coach, Like, it's a

2312
02:03:44,280 --> 02:03:46,360
Speaker 1: hard thing to do. You got ninety guys that the

2313
02:03:46,440 --> 02:03:47,880
Speaker 1: roster at the start of the year. You've got to

2314
02:03:47,880 --> 02:03:50,160
Speaker 1: build a whole team. You gotta get everybody pulling. It's

2315
02:03:50,240 --> 02:03:52,720
Speaker 1: really hard to do. And I think people think that,

2316
02:03:52,840 --> 02:03:56,360
Speaker 1: like there's this bar that like he I just think

2317
02:03:56,400 --> 02:04:00,520
Speaker 1: that people have more seasons now without Brady, that it's

2318
02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:04,040
Speaker 1: not a small sample size anymore. It's now up to

2319
02:04:04,760 --> 02:04:09,600
Speaker 1: fine seven eight, like eight eight and a half season,

2320
02:04:09,800 --> 02:04:12,640
Speaker 1: like eight plus seasons now without Brady, and the and

2321
02:04:12,680 --> 02:04:18,480
Speaker 1: the record without him is very mediocre. Again, Like, I

2322
02:04:18,600 --> 02:04:21,800
Speaker 1: just think it's worth a discussion, Like I think people

2323
02:04:21,840 --> 02:04:24,160
Speaker 1: have been discussing. I think people around here just missing

2324
02:04:24,200 --> 02:04:26,880
Speaker 1: as out of hand. No they don't, it's beyond I

2325
02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:30,080
Speaker 1: think it's a debate. He believes in them, like I

2326
02:04:30,120 --> 02:04:32,240
Speaker 1: listened to ninety eight five when I was driving it today.

2327
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:36,240
Speaker 1: He believes in them, So it's a good pick. Beetle

2328
02:04:36,280 --> 02:04:39,080
Speaker 1: and Zoe. Okay, well that's one show. The show right

2329
02:04:39,160 --> 02:04:42,280
Speaker 1: after that doesn't it's a raging debate. It's it's not

2330
02:04:42,840 --> 02:04:47,600
Speaker 1: like everybody believes one way. You know. I I'm I

2331
02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:50,000
Speaker 1: think he's a great coach. I can't think of another

2332
02:04:50,120 --> 02:04:53,280
Speaker 1: guy i'd rather have running this team. You know, is

2333
02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:59,560
Speaker 1: he perfect? No, but goes back like he's a genius.

2334
02:05:00,080 --> 02:05:02,600
Speaker 1: I've never thought he's a gene he's a football coach, Like,

2335
02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:06,080
Speaker 1: don't put me in this box of he's an infallible

2336
02:05:06,160 --> 02:05:09,280
Speaker 1: genius that everyone was. I said before and I'll say

2337
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:11,280
Speaker 1: it again. I don't put that. But but I feel

2338
02:05:11,320 --> 02:05:13,320
Speaker 1: like the caller was acting like, you know, I'm just

2339
02:05:13,400 --> 02:05:15,560
Speaker 1: whistling by the graveyard, like I haven't been on the

2340
02:05:15,640 --> 02:05:18,200
Speaker 1: show for three years and been Wow, this isn't going

2341
02:05:18,240 --> 02:05:19,840
Speaker 1: in a great direction right now. Wow, we didn't force

2342
02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:21,440
Speaker 1: the Bills to punt at all. We don't have a

2343
02:05:21,480 --> 02:05:23,160
Speaker 1: lot of talent on defense. Like how many times can

2344
02:05:23,200 --> 02:05:24,960
Speaker 1: I say these things when people just think that I

2345
02:05:25,800 --> 02:05:29,280
Speaker 1: think it's awesome. I think there's different gradients of where

2346
02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:32,840
Speaker 1: people so you can't respect and like some people that

2347
02:05:33,160 --> 02:05:37,640
Speaker 1: just that's yeah, that's it. He's no good and that's

2348
02:05:37,680 --> 02:05:39,840
Speaker 1: the extreme you're you're hearing from some of those now

2349
02:05:39,880 --> 02:05:43,960
Speaker 1: because they feel emboldened, you know, because like Paul said,

2350
02:05:43,960 --> 02:05:46,640
Speaker 1: there is evidence that, yeah, Tom Brady had something to

2351
02:05:46,680 --> 02:05:49,120
Speaker 1: do with this, y you know which And what I'm

2352
02:05:49,160 --> 02:05:51,160
Speaker 1: trying to say, which which is kind of like what

2353
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:54,560
Speaker 1: I've always said, is they both each made the other better.

2354
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:57,480
Speaker 1: You know. I used to think it was more Bill. Yeah.

2355
02:05:57,920 --> 02:06:01,200
Speaker 1: I think as time is going by, I think I'm wrong. Yeah,

2356
02:06:01,320 --> 02:06:03,800
Speaker 1: But again, I I don't think it's that hard to

2357
02:06:04,560 --> 02:06:07,040
Speaker 1: that when you analyze something or try to, you know,

2358
02:06:08,200 --> 02:06:10,000
Speaker 1: and sometimes you step away you're like, oh, yeah, I

2359
02:06:10,120 --> 02:06:11,720
Speaker 1: thought about it this, but I don't think I'm right

2360
02:06:11,720 --> 02:06:14,240
Speaker 1: about it. But I would say no one coach has

2361
02:06:14,240 --> 02:06:16,680
Speaker 1: ever had the twenty year run that Bill had. And

2362
02:06:16,800 --> 02:06:19,560
Speaker 1: I will also say he wouldn't have had it without

2363
02:06:19,640 --> 02:06:22,480
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. I think you can say that, you know,

2364
02:06:23,320 --> 02:06:27,840
Speaker 1: and and not disparage either Bill or Tom, right, you know,

2365
02:06:28,440 --> 02:06:32,240
Speaker 1: like like they both had a hand on it. Bill

2366
02:06:32,280 --> 02:06:35,000
Speaker 1: would not have been able to do this with multiple quarterbacks.

2367
02:06:35,200 --> 02:06:37,560
Speaker 1: He needed Tom Brady. But that's your but that's your opinion,

2368
02:06:37,600 --> 02:06:39,520
Speaker 1: and I think Tom yeah, and I think someone else's

2369
02:06:39,560 --> 02:06:41,640
Speaker 1: opinion might be he wouldn't have had a twenty year

2370
02:06:41,720 --> 02:06:45,920
Speaker 1: run without Brady. I just said that. I just said that.

2371
02:06:46,120 --> 02:06:47,680
Speaker 1: They don't think it was both of them. They think

2372
02:06:47,720 --> 02:06:49,880
Speaker 1: it was Brady. But I think that Tom Brady wouldn't

2373
02:06:49,880 --> 02:06:51,600
Speaker 1: have had a twenty year run without a head coach.

2374
02:06:51,640 --> 02:06:53,560
Speaker 1: You could keep the team together, right, And I think

2375
02:06:53,640 --> 02:06:56,280
Speaker 1: people think that he would have. Yeah, I don't, I don't.

2376
02:06:56,400 --> 02:06:58,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Tom Brady's the greatest of all time,

2377
02:06:58,200 --> 02:07:00,520
Speaker 1: but to he wouldn't think together one of as a

2378
02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:03,960
Speaker 1: player coach, Like, I don't know. I don't know if

2379
02:07:03,960 --> 02:07:08,240
Speaker 1: that he wouldn't have been this without without Belichick team.

2380
02:07:08,280 --> 02:07:11,520
Speaker 1: But I mean, are people gonna tell like, I don't

2381
02:07:11,560 --> 02:07:13,920
Speaker 1: believe that Tom Brady with any other coach would have

2382
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:17,080
Speaker 1: had twenty years, six Super Bowls of dominance. I'm not

2383
02:07:17,120 --> 02:07:19,120
Speaker 1: gonna say that it was all Bill Belichick. But I

2384
02:07:19,200 --> 02:07:21,640
Speaker 1: think he's a good coach, and I appreciate how what

2385
02:07:21,880 --> 02:07:26,080
Speaker 1: he's done, how he's turned things over continuously on defense,

2386
02:07:26,360 --> 02:07:29,560
Speaker 1: on special teams, how he's won in situations. I take

2387
02:07:29,680 --> 02:07:31,960
Speaker 1: nothing away from Brady. I've said it a hundred times.

2388
02:07:32,280 --> 02:07:33,880
Speaker 1: I think when it comes down to the nitty gritty

2389
02:07:33,920 --> 02:07:36,280
Speaker 1: and the super Bowls. Brady came through every single time.

2390
02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:39,560
Speaker 1: That is Tom Brady. But I also think that Bill

2391
02:07:39,640 --> 02:07:42,240
Speaker 1: Belichick deserves a little bit of credit. And I don't

2392
02:07:42,280 --> 02:07:44,600
Speaker 1: have any tolerance for somebody who's gonna just say Bill

2393
02:07:44,680 --> 02:07:46,760
Speaker 1: Belichick's just an idiot who got lucky and happened to

2394
02:07:46,800 --> 02:07:49,360
Speaker 1: coach where Tom Brady landed. You look at the Cowboys, right,

2395
02:07:49,440 --> 02:07:52,040
Speaker 1: they were set up to win. Jimmy Johnson had them,

2396
02:07:53,360 --> 02:07:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, and Jerry couldn't take Jimmy Johnson, you know,

2397
02:07:57,360 --> 02:07:59,520
Speaker 1: he was he was getting bigger than I was, so

2398
02:07:59,680 --> 02:08:01,840
Speaker 1: gets rid of them. They win one more and then

2399
02:08:01,880 --> 02:08:05,839
Speaker 1: they didn't win again forever. Yeah, Right, the Cowboy Cowboys

2400
02:08:05,880 --> 02:08:09,000
Speaker 1: when Jerry, you know, Jimmy had their fallout, you know,

2401
02:08:09,160 --> 02:08:12,000
Speaker 1: and they won one more and then that was it. Right.

2402
02:08:12,080 --> 02:08:13,440
Speaker 1: Do you think that would have happened if Brady was

2403
02:08:13,520 --> 02:08:16,920
Speaker 1: the quarterback? No, But I'm just saying that you need

2404
02:08:17,560 --> 02:08:20,560
Speaker 1: the structure you need, you can't. You gotta have both.

2405
02:08:20,760 --> 02:08:24,520
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman needed destructure, well, but he never won. That's

2406
02:08:24,560 --> 02:08:27,200
Speaker 1: what I just said. He needed destructure. Right, Maybe if

2407
02:08:27,200 --> 02:08:28,960
Speaker 1: it was Brady, they just would have kept on winning.

2408
02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you can you can be the Dallas Cowboys.

2409
02:08:31,560 --> 02:08:34,040
Speaker 1: But if you don't have a solid coach and a

2410
02:08:34,120 --> 02:08:36,560
Speaker 1: solid quarterback, you're not gonna have a run of twenty

2411
02:08:36,680 --> 02:08:39,120
Speaker 1: years like the Patriots had. It's just not gonna happen.

2412
02:08:40,400 --> 02:08:43,720
Speaker 1: You need both. I just I don't know why it's

2413
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:46,520
Speaker 1: okay to just say that, like it's definitive, it's fact.

2414
02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:50,080
Speaker 1: I just my opinion. But why can't I have my opinion?

2415
02:08:50,120 --> 02:08:52,280
Speaker 1: You can, but you're stating it as a fact, not

2416
02:08:52,360 --> 02:08:55,280
Speaker 1: as an opinion. You can't do that. You can't have

2417
02:08:55,360 --> 02:08:57,800
Speaker 1: twenty years of dominance without But it's never happened before.

2418
02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:01,560
Speaker 1: No one's ever done it, that's right. The Patriots did

2419
02:09:01,640 --> 02:09:03,720
Speaker 1: it like no no, no one's ever played quarterback with

2420
02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:06,480
Speaker 1: the forty four. Yeah, well, I'm just so like to

2421
02:09:06,520 --> 02:09:09,680
Speaker 1: get to twenty years. There's a unicorn doing it right now. Yeah,

2422
02:09:10,320 --> 02:09:13,280
Speaker 1: I'm And I don't think that a teams traded down

2423
02:09:13,320 --> 02:09:17,920
Speaker 1: again the Bills. By the way that Montana State linebacker

2424
02:09:18,040 --> 02:09:20,760
Speaker 1: kid Or Anderson went to the Falcons and another guard

2425
02:09:20,960 --> 02:09:24,960
Speaker 1: at Ingram LSU guy went to the Vikings run maybe

2426
02:09:25,000 --> 02:09:27,600
Speaker 1: there's maybe there's a little bit of a little heated there,

2427
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:32,440
Speaker 1: and that's okay. Hey, I appreciate it. It's you know,

2428
02:09:32,520 --> 02:09:36,840
Speaker 1: it's it's fun, it's it's it's you just don't know.

2429
02:09:36,920 --> 02:09:38,640
Speaker 1: I used to be a fan. I'm still a fan.

2430
02:09:39,320 --> 02:09:41,920
Speaker 1: But I think it's a debate that that it's obviously

2431
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:43,880
Speaker 1: easy to have that you can say, well, how do

2432
02:09:43,960 --> 02:09:45,320
Speaker 1: you cut the how do you slice the pie up?

2433
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:47,640
Speaker 1: Who do you give the bigger piece too? You know,

2434
02:09:47,840 --> 02:09:50,160
Speaker 1: I just think I have to do that. But but

2435
02:09:50,600 --> 02:09:52,520
Speaker 1: but even in that regard for it, like I'm I'm

2436
02:09:52,560 --> 02:09:55,360
Speaker 1: okay giving Brady a bigger piece of the pie. But

2437
02:09:55,480 --> 02:09:57,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate a good coach and I I and I

2438
02:09:57,600 --> 02:09:59,880
Speaker 1: always will appreciate and when a new coach comes in here,

2439
02:10:00,520 --> 02:10:02,840
Speaker 1: I'll appreciate him and try to find out what he's

2440
02:10:02,880 --> 02:10:04,880
Speaker 1: like and what he likes in the same kind of

2441
02:10:04,920 --> 02:10:07,560
Speaker 1: way that I do with Bill. But you know, to

2442
02:10:07,720 --> 02:10:10,280
Speaker 1: think that I just assume that it's all going great,

2443
02:10:10,400 --> 02:10:13,000
Speaker 1: like come on, like really like it's but it's hard

2444
02:10:13,080 --> 02:10:15,320
Speaker 1: to do. So I'm not like grading him against oh

2445
02:10:15,440 --> 02:10:17,440
Speaker 1: my god, like he didn't immediately turn it over and

2446
02:10:17,560 --> 02:10:20,880
Speaker 1: go right back to the AFC Championship Like that's that's ridiculous.

2447
02:10:21,560 --> 02:10:24,560
Speaker 1: John and La says uh In Bob McGinn's Draft Scout

2448
02:10:24,640 --> 02:10:27,600
Speaker 1: series that Paul was saying, Uh, this is what he

2449
02:10:27,680 --> 02:10:30,440
Speaker 1: said about Tae Kwon Thornton. He's a big play threat

2450
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:33,360
Speaker 1: waiting to happen. He's a better version of Darius Slayton

2451
02:10:33,480 --> 02:10:38,240
Speaker 1: or Will Fuller what Henry Henry Ruggs was. He's got

2452
02:10:38,360 --> 02:10:41,600
Speaker 1: that caliber impact. But this guy can actually run routes

2453
02:10:42,720 --> 02:10:47,080
Speaker 1: so well. Yeah, and and and I would be surprised

2454
02:10:47,120 --> 02:10:49,800
Speaker 1: if they took a guy who couldn't have some route

2455
02:10:49,800 --> 02:10:52,680
Speaker 1: savvy to him, a guy who's just a pure straight

2456
02:10:52,760 --> 02:10:54,480
Speaker 1: down the field. I just when I see a guy

2457
02:10:54,640 --> 02:10:59,000
Speaker 1: that is they say track athlete, it immediately because I

2458
02:10:59,080 --> 02:11:02,480
Speaker 1: think that they grab to take towards quote unquote football players,

2459
02:11:02,560 --> 02:11:05,680
Speaker 1: guys who you know come from that, not guys who

2460
02:11:05,840 --> 02:11:09,120
Speaker 1: maybe your speed, run down the track first type guys.

2461
02:11:09,600 --> 02:11:12,600
Speaker 1: But I'm interested to jump in see what he's like.

2462
02:11:12,960 --> 02:11:15,880
Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see how the how the fan

2463
02:11:15,960 --> 02:11:18,520
Speaker 1: reaction is because I feel like this is the the

2464
02:11:18,680 --> 02:11:20,600
Speaker 1: type of player that a lot of people have been

2465
02:11:20,760 --> 02:11:23,880
Speaker 1: longing for for this offense, and we'll see what kind

2466
02:11:23,920 --> 02:11:26,200
Speaker 1: of difference it makes it. You know, if Max's able

2467
02:11:26,240 --> 02:11:29,320
Speaker 1: to develop some synergy with him, if he really has

2468
02:11:29,400 --> 02:11:32,000
Speaker 1: that field stretching ability. It's it's going to open up

2469
02:11:32,040 --> 02:11:33,920
Speaker 1: a lot of things for them. So it's an important

2470
02:11:33,960 --> 02:11:35,840
Speaker 1: part of an offense. If if you could be the

2471
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:40,120
Speaker 1: end for maybe not this year, but I mean, I

2472
02:11:40,160 --> 02:11:44,680
Speaker 1: think he's done this shot this year. But but but

2473
02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:46,680
Speaker 1: that's what I like. I mean, that's probably that's a

2474
02:11:46,760 --> 02:11:49,200
Speaker 1: great point, Paul. I mean, Aglare, this is his last year.

2475
02:11:49,680 --> 02:11:52,080
Speaker 1: You bring Thornton in, learn, learn the offense a little bit,

2476
02:11:52,120 --> 02:11:54,600
Speaker 1: maybe get his feet wet, and then Aglare goes and

2477
02:11:54,680 --> 02:11:57,480
Speaker 1: then he takes that primary outside receiver spot. If you

2478
02:11:58,080 --> 02:12:00,440
Speaker 1: if you stop trying to fight me, you'll realize there's

2479
02:12:00,440 --> 02:12:05,920
Speaker 1: a lot of insights. Kent two NFL draft, the Cincinnati

2480
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:13,080
Speaker 1: Bengals select Cam Taylor Bret Nebraska. I liked him, uh,

2481
02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:16,760
Speaker 1: Charles writes in normally I agree with Mike, but he's

2482
02:12:16,800 --> 02:12:18,960
Speaker 1: making a bit of a straw man with I'm not

2483
02:12:19,080 --> 02:12:21,760
Speaker 1: gonna take it with people saying he's an idiot who

2484
02:12:21,840 --> 02:12:24,280
Speaker 1: got lucky. I think you guys are looking at this

2485
02:12:24,440 --> 02:12:26,760
Speaker 1: a bit too black and white. It's not that people.

2486
02:12:26,920 --> 02:12:28,400
Speaker 1: That's kind of the point I was trying to make, Like,

2487
02:12:28,480 --> 02:12:29,960
Speaker 1: I don't think he has to be an idiot who

2488
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:33,280
Speaker 1: got lucky rights to have been. That's why I said

2489
02:12:33,320 --> 02:12:35,680
Speaker 1: there's gradients and there's a right. Like I think that

2490
02:12:35,800 --> 02:12:38,200
Speaker 1: he's proven to be a competent NFL head coach without

2491
02:12:38,240 --> 02:12:42,120
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Competent. Yes, that's what he is. Without Tom Brady, competent.

2492
02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:45,360
Speaker 1: It's not that people think it's a trash coach or

2493
02:12:45,400 --> 02:12:48,240
Speaker 1: an idiot at the wheel. As Mike said, the discussion

2494
02:12:48,400 --> 02:12:50,560
Speaker 1: is really if he's the best coach of all time,

2495
02:12:50,880 --> 02:12:54,360
Speaker 1: head and shoulders above his peers, or if that aura

2496
02:12:54,600 --> 02:12:57,680
Speaker 1: is the result of Tom. I think it's skews towards Tom.

2497
02:12:57,840 --> 02:13:00,480
Speaker 1: While Bill is still an excellent coach, it's just that

2498
02:13:00,840 --> 02:13:03,440
Speaker 1: the game is won by players. Bill can be a

2499
02:13:03,560 --> 02:13:06,880
Speaker 1: great defensive coach, but can be a week GM and

2500
02:13:07,040 --> 02:13:10,520
Speaker 1: having a five record without Brady shows that it's likely

2501
02:13:10,600 --> 02:13:13,120
Speaker 1: that Brady was the one pushing the Patriots to the

2502
02:13:13,240 --> 02:13:21,240
Speaker 1: greatest dynasty in history. So yeah, I think I think

2503
02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:24,440
Speaker 1: he's so. Brugler said that he has thin wrists. What

2504
02:13:24,840 --> 02:13:30,120
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever heard Rits thin wristed weekly

2505
02:13:30,240 --> 02:13:33,320
Speaker 1: who had a bar, a metal bar in his He

2506
02:13:33,400 --> 02:13:38,120
Speaker 1: was another one that you tapped as a prow and

2507
02:13:38,240 --> 02:13:43,520
Speaker 1: the skinniest rist. Do you remember the draft? Because was

2508
02:13:43,560 --> 02:13:46,400
Speaker 1: wrong on this one? When Fred who's wrong more than me?

2509
02:13:46,640 --> 02:13:50,840
Speaker 1: Me and Charlie Castle although Charlie Castly had something right

2510
02:13:50,880 --> 02:13:53,800
Speaker 1: the other Oh you'll be hearing about that when we

2511
02:13:53,960 --> 02:13:57,760
Speaker 1: have our Pats from the Past podcast is released. Gerard

2512
02:13:57,800 --> 02:13:59,800
Speaker 1: Mayo said something about the only guy who had it

2513
02:13:59,880 --> 02:14:02,600
Speaker 1: was was Charlie Castley. Oh, the only guy who had

2514
02:14:02,600 --> 02:14:06,560
Speaker 1: it right about his draft? Oh? Really? Yeah? Wow. He's

2515
02:14:06,560 --> 02:14:10,240
Speaker 1: also got tiny hands, tiny hands, small wrists. What what

2516
02:14:10,560 --> 02:14:12,960
Speaker 1: sized hands does he have? Hate in the quarter? Oh?

2517
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:16,320
Speaker 1: That are that is small for a receiver? Yeah? Yeah,

2518
02:14:17,520 --> 02:14:20,480
Speaker 1: oh m a lot of body cast think I've ever

2519
02:14:20,560 --> 02:14:23,000
Speaker 1: heard thin risk No, I know that that that stuck

2520
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:24,360
Speaker 1: out to me. I mean he had the measures. I

2521
02:14:24,360 --> 02:14:28,680
Speaker 1: didn't even know they measured the wrists. Yeah, because you know,

2522
02:14:28,760 --> 02:14:30,400
Speaker 1: when he comes here, I feel like I'm gonna be

2523
02:14:30,440 --> 02:14:33,760
Speaker 1: like getting's getting They're like, well, that's that's really small.

2524
02:14:34,240 --> 02:14:37,320
Speaker 1: He like, we're gonna save tape with you. He shakes

2525
02:14:37,360 --> 02:14:40,800
Speaker 1: hands like this, you know, comes over the top. Sorry, taking,

2526
02:14:41,240 --> 02:14:44,000
Speaker 1: I think he's taking. Tamara is listening to him talk

2527
02:14:44,080 --> 02:14:45,880
Speaker 1: right now. I think it is. She's probably gonna have

2528
02:14:45,920 --> 02:14:48,760
Speaker 1: to sit with him tomorrow if he comes in, Yeah,

2529
02:14:49,080 --> 02:14:51,120
Speaker 1: get him on a plane from I assume he's gonna

2530
02:14:51,120 --> 02:14:54,240
Speaker 1: be here tomorrow, so we'll get to uh maybe a

2531
02:14:54,280 --> 02:14:55,920
Speaker 1: person and maybe the other picks that where he is

2532
02:14:55,960 --> 02:15:00,360
Speaker 1: he's in Florida. I think I think he's from in Uh.

2533
02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:03,160
Speaker 1: Let's go to Neil and work on the A sticking

2534
02:15:03,240 --> 02:15:07,400
Speaker 1: up line? What's up Neil? Hey, guys, I really wish

2535
02:15:07,600 --> 02:15:10,040
Speaker 1: the past drafted George Pickens tonight. I mean, I think

2536
02:15:10,080 --> 02:15:13,400
Speaker 1: he's a better here. I get that type one fast,

2537
02:15:13,520 --> 02:15:15,680
Speaker 1: I get that. I just hope he's not a type

2538
02:15:15,720 --> 02:15:19,840
Speaker 1: one Underwood. I mean the name, I get that. But also, um,

2539
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:22,720
Speaker 1: fun fact if you didn't know, he also wore nine

2540
02:15:22,920 --> 02:15:25,720
Speaker 1: eighty one in college. Bethel Johnson were eighty one here

2541
02:15:25,800 --> 02:15:29,960
Speaker 1: and Bethel Johnson were nine in college too. M do

2542
02:15:30,080 --> 02:15:33,280
Speaker 1: not make me feel better, right, I'm a little scared.

2543
02:15:33,360 --> 02:15:36,040
Speaker 1: Although he had that catching though, that one catch? Yeah?

2544
02:15:36,240 --> 02:15:38,800
Speaker 1: How was that that game? Freezing? When you were a fan?

2545
02:15:39,000 --> 02:15:43,680
Speaker 1: When ye back when fast Dance? Thanks for the call, Um,

2546
02:15:44,160 --> 02:15:48,840
Speaker 1: Let's go to Bill and DC. Hey Bill, everyone, great

2547
02:15:48,960 --> 02:15:53,440
Speaker 1: draft show as usual, Thank you, thank you, and tomorrow,

2548
02:15:53,640 --> 02:15:56,480
Speaker 1: welcome aboard. So happy to have you here. Hi, glad

2549
02:15:56,520 --> 02:16:00,800
Speaker 1: to be here. So um, I read something pretty interesting

2550
02:16:00,960 --> 02:16:04,640
Speaker 1: on a of All Things Cleveland Brown's blog about the

2551
02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:09,240
Speaker 1: Earhart Perkins systems and why maybe it's so hard for

2552
02:16:09,440 --> 02:16:12,320
Speaker 1: wide receivers to pick it up England. Yeah, but I

2553
02:16:12,400 --> 02:16:15,920
Speaker 1: might share it if that's okay. Sure. So I guess

2554
02:16:15,960 --> 02:16:18,040
Speaker 1: the idea is and I'm assuming this acts is an

2555
02:16:18,080 --> 02:16:21,200
Speaker 1: accurate breakdown. But I guess the issue is that this

2556
02:16:21,400 --> 02:16:24,800
Speaker 1: system is modular in a way that other ones aren't.

2557
02:16:24,960 --> 02:16:28,000
Speaker 1: So like in the West Coast offense, you know, every

2558
02:16:28,120 --> 02:16:31,520
Speaker 1: play has a formation, protection scree scheme and then routes.

2559
02:16:32,360 --> 02:16:35,400
Speaker 1: But in our system you mix and match the module,

2560
02:16:35,480 --> 02:16:39,080
Speaker 1: so you have like a formation module, a protection call,

2561
02:16:39,560 --> 02:16:42,680
Speaker 1: and then a route concept not an actual route. So like,

2562
02:16:43,240 --> 02:16:47,800
Speaker 1: for example, you know whoever is the outside play wide receiver,

2563
02:16:48,000 --> 02:16:50,280
Speaker 1: tight end, running back, doesn't matter who it is, they

2564
02:16:50,440 --> 02:16:53,360
Speaker 1: run a fourteen yard incut and the next player inside

2565
02:16:53,400 --> 02:16:56,400
Speaker 1: again whoever it is, runs a ten yard curl. So

2566
02:16:56,560 --> 02:16:59,840
Speaker 1: the benefit, I guess is that you can very quickly

2567
02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:02,880
Speaker 1: these calls line scrimmage. You can run a temple if

2568
02:17:02,920 --> 02:17:05,560
Speaker 1: you want to. You can flex out and just change

2569
02:17:05,560 --> 02:17:08,560
Speaker 1: the protection, just change a route scheme, whatever you want.

2570
02:17:08,720 --> 02:17:11,960
Speaker 1: Some like Brady can like on the fly just bam bam, bam,

2571
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:15,400
Speaker 1: bam bam, make one word call and quickly change like

2572
02:17:15,480 --> 02:17:20,560
Speaker 1: a portion that's happening. Okay, And no, I mean that

2573
02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:22,840
Speaker 1: that makes sense. You know, we've been told that. You know,

2574
02:17:23,920 --> 02:17:27,520
Speaker 1: it's in those line of scrimmage pre snap calls or

2575
02:17:27,600 --> 02:17:31,080
Speaker 1: what makes you know the passing game happen and the

2576
02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:33,800
Speaker 1: fact that Brady had done it for so long, like

2577
02:17:33,920 --> 02:17:37,000
Speaker 1: it was second nature to him. But you know, and

2578
02:17:37,360 --> 02:17:39,400
Speaker 1: that could be true. But I will go back to

2579
02:17:39,560 --> 02:17:43,920
Speaker 1: last year and I will listen to what other teams

2580
02:17:43,959 --> 02:17:46,400
Speaker 1: said about the Patriots in that they were pretty easy

2581
02:17:46,480 --> 02:17:50,640
Speaker 1: to defend. And I think that last year anyway, they

2582
02:17:50,920 --> 02:17:53,240
Speaker 1: still might have the same offense, but they didn't get

2583
02:17:53,280 --> 02:17:56,320
Speaker 1: to like deep into the playbook last year. I mean,

2584
02:17:56,400 --> 02:17:59,320
Speaker 1: they were still on chapter one and two for Mac.

2585
02:17:59,800 --> 02:18:02,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's gonna take them a little while to

2586
02:18:02,480 --> 02:18:05,000
Speaker 1: really if if you're right, you know with the Perkins

2587
02:18:05,080 --> 02:18:09,119
Speaker 1: air Heart offense, if you're right there, uh, Bill, then

2588
02:18:09,320 --> 02:18:12,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna take at least a few years for Mac

2589
02:18:12,400 --> 02:18:15,200
Speaker 1: to fully you know, be able to run that the

2590
02:18:15,280 --> 02:18:17,280
Speaker 1: way it's supposed to be run. Yeah. Sure, I mean,

2591
02:18:17,440 --> 02:18:19,160
Speaker 1: but I think I think the bigger piece that that

2592
02:18:19,560 --> 02:18:21,600
Speaker 1: that I don't think he really touched upon that, that

2593
02:18:21,840 --> 02:18:23,760
Speaker 1: is the number of option routes that they have right

2594
02:18:23,800 --> 02:18:27,920
Speaker 1: and on the site adjustments that you make after the snap. Um,

2595
02:18:28,280 --> 02:18:30,800
Speaker 1: you know, totally right on on all the concepts and everything.

2596
02:18:30,840 --> 02:18:32,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like a you know a nine

2597
02:18:32,920 --> 02:18:34,920
Speaker 1: one one or you know whatever your numbered system where

2598
02:18:34,920 --> 02:18:36,440
Speaker 1: it's easy, all right, that's the route and running. So

2599
02:18:36,640 --> 02:18:39,000
Speaker 1: but and that's a lots on and like and like

2600
02:18:39,280 --> 02:18:42,160
Speaker 1: a lots on the wide receiver to recognize that whether

2601
02:18:42,240 --> 02:18:46,360
Speaker 1: it's a hand signal or a blank or whatever is looking. Yeah,

2602
02:18:46,400 --> 02:18:48,440
Speaker 1: I mean we saw it a lot with Brady and

2603
02:18:48,560 --> 02:18:51,720
Speaker 1: Welker and and Edelman and Moss and all these guys

2604
02:18:51,879 --> 02:18:54,800
Speaker 1: with the high Football IQ. They made this thing click.

2605
02:18:55,000 --> 02:18:57,360
Speaker 1: And plus you can move guys, you know, tight end

2606
02:18:57,400 --> 02:19:00,160
Speaker 1: wide receiver running back even you can move them the

2607
02:19:00,200 --> 02:19:02,560
Speaker 1: different spots and have them right run the same you know,

2608
02:19:02,680 --> 02:19:05,360
Speaker 1: route combination, so you can you know, dress plays up.

2609
02:19:05,400 --> 02:19:06,960
Speaker 1: It looks different all of a sudden, it's you know,

2610
02:19:07,120 --> 02:19:10,680
Speaker 1: Gronk and James White out there. The next time it's uh,

2611
02:19:10,840 --> 02:19:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, two wide receivers. So yeah, no, it's it's

2612
02:19:12,840 --> 02:19:15,240
Speaker 1: it's accurate. It's it's part of what is you know,

2613
02:19:15,360 --> 02:19:17,920
Speaker 1: difficult about hearing what they run and makes you wonder

2614
02:19:18,040 --> 02:19:20,600
Speaker 1: how do things change after Josh McDaniels. Yeah, but I guarantee,

2615
02:19:20,680 --> 02:19:23,920
Speaker 1: like even in Brady's first year, they weren't running this

2616
02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:27,000
Speaker 1: offense to it's full of course capacitor. And then you

2617
02:19:27,080 --> 02:19:30,640
Speaker 1: know what I'm trying to say is, don't make excuses

2618
02:19:30,680 --> 02:19:34,200
Speaker 1: for these wide receivers, you know last year or whatever.

2619
02:19:34,680 --> 02:19:36,320
Speaker 1: You know we've heard playing it over the last couple

2620
02:19:36,320 --> 02:19:38,640
Speaker 1: of years of Cam Newton calling a calculus you know,

2621
02:19:38,840 --> 02:19:41,080
Speaker 1: I mean NFL players who have been around I mean,

2622
02:19:41,120 --> 02:19:45,520
Speaker 1: and maybe that's a bad example, right, he's got COVID

2623
02:19:45,560 --> 02:19:48,920
Speaker 1: and said he claimed that they changed the whole playbook

2624
02:19:48,959 --> 02:19:51,840
Speaker 1: on that. That's a bad example by me. I take

2625
02:19:52,200 --> 02:19:56,400
Speaker 1: more about it's more about it's more than talent. Like

2626
02:19:56,480 --> 02:19:58,160
Speaker 1: I agree with you this, No, they didn't run the

2627
02:19:58,200 --> 02:20:01,119
Speaker 1: same offense and oh one, but that had as much

2628
02:20:01,160 --> 02:20:02,760
Speaker 1: to do with Brady's and experience as it did the

2629
02:20:02,800 --> 02:20:05,000
Speaker 1: talent around them. Sure, they played in a much different

2630
02:20:05,000 --> 02:20:07,600
Speaker 1: style and a much different style of game. Yeah. Yeah,

2631
02:20:07,640 --> 02:20:11,560
Speaker 1: And and really the U and really the original origination

2632
02:20:11,640 --> 02:20:13,920
Speaker 1: of the system more like you know, run the run

2633
02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:16,280
Speaker 1: the score, was it past the score, run to win?

2634
02:20:16,440 --> 02:20:19,040
Speaker 1: That was you know, more that, but but much more

2635
02:20:19,080 --> 02:20:21,920
Speaker 1: power running than it is now. Where you know, at

2636
02:20:22,000 --> 02:20:24,360
Speaker 1: certain points they went to spread, they went to the

2637
02:20:24,400 --> 02:20:25,960
Speaker 1: hurry up, the one word off the you know, the

2638
02:20:26,040 --> 02:20:28,360
Speaker 1: one one play what is it, the one word no

2639
02:20:28,520 --> 02:20:31,000
Speaker 1: huddle offense that they got famous foreign like twenty eleven

2640
02:20:31,080 --> 02:20:33,320
Speaker 1: when they put the hammer down because everybody was going

2641
02:20:33,360 --> 02:20:35,360
Speaker 1: to have you know, shorten training camps that we talked about.

2642
02:20:35,879 --> 02:20:39,720
Speaker 1: Um yeah, there's there's wrinkles within, but the system itself

2643
02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:42,000
Speaker 1: is the same now that that would see. I found

2644
02:20:42,040 --> 02:20:43,840
Speaker 1: that really interesting in one of the Brady things, one

2645
02:20:43,840 --> 02:20:45,320
Speaker 1: of the man in the arenas, when they were talking

2646
02:20:45,320 --> 02:20:49,440
Speaker 1: about that. Um just they decided to really step it

2647
02:20:49,560 --> 02:20:53,160
Speaker 1: up in terms of the tempo. But the Perkins air

2648
02:20:53,240 --> 02:20:58,000
Speaker 1: heart system I don't think is like overly complicated. I

2649
02:20:58,120 --> 02:21:03,080
Speaker 1: think it's reliant on specific ability. Yeah, and I think

2650
02:21:03,120 --> 02:21:05,240
Speaker 1: there's been times where they've been without that ability, and

2651
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:07,520
Speaker 1: those are some of the years that the offense hasn't

2652
02:21:07,520 --> 02:21:10,200
Speaker 1: been quite as dynamic. Right now, it's as much to

2653
02:21:10,240 --> 02:21:12,280
Speaker 1: do with the quarterback as anything else. Right He's got

2654
02:21:12,360 --> 02:21:14,120
Speaker 1: to look, he's got to get some experience, and I

2655
02:21:14,200 --> 02:21:15,760
Speaker 1: think part of it fall part of it too, like

2656
02:21:15,800 --> 02:21:18,080
Speaker 1: would they appeal with Kyle Phillips or those are the

2657
02:21:18,160 --> 02:21:20,480
Speaker 1: kind of receivers I'm kind of into. Is that they

2658
02:21:20,520 --> 02:21:23,800
Speaker 1: can run those option routes really well. And Edelman knowing

2659
02:21:23,879 --> 02:21:25,920
Speaker 1: exactly where to go and stop on a dime and

2660
02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:28,080
Speaker 1: get out. I mean, you're open every time, you know

2661
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:30,119
Speaker 1: what you're doing, and you have that quick It does

2662
02:21:30,240 --> 02:21:33,400
Speaker 1: require that underneath guy. You gotta have the move the

2663
02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:37,879
Speaker 1: chains guy. You know. Um, I'm going to be really

2664
02:21:37,959 --> 02:21:41,960
Speaker 1: interested to see that if Mac needs that slot guy

2665
02:21:42,920 --> 02:21:45,560
Speaker 1: like Brady Dante says he does. No, I know, but

2666
02:21:45,640 --> 02:21:50,959
Speaker 1: I'm curious, well that guy right now. But I'm gonna

2667
02:21:50,959 --> 02:21:54,920
Speaker 1: be curious to see if if Mac gets a guy

2668
02:21:55,000 --> 02:21:58,320
Speaker 1: like Edelman, is he is effective with it with that

2669
02:21:58,760 --> 02:22:01,640
Speaker 1: as as other guys work. Yeah, because I don't think

2670
02:22:01,680 --> 02:22:05,760
Speaker 1: it's easy to do that. No. Tim and West Virginia says,

2671
02:22:06,200 --> 02:22:08,200
Speaker 1: my wife is five to seven ways one hundred and

2672
02:22:08,240 --> 02:22:11,080
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds. Her wrist is six and a quarter. That

2673
02:22:11,200 --> 02:22:16,160
Speaker 1: guy has very thin wrist. Dainty. Even speaking of Thornton,

2674
02:22:16,200 --> 02:22:20,440
Speaker 1: I just popped into oh yeah, I'm here to report

2675
02:22:20,720 --> 02:22:23,400
Speaker 1: that one He attributes his speed to running track in

2676
02:22:23,520 --> 02:22:27,680
Speaker 1: high school. He said that's where he really developed the

2677
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:30,160
Speaker 1: four two that we saw in the combine, I mean

2678
02:22:30,280 --> 02:22:33,840
Speaker 1: in the combine. He also said that Bill Belichick is

2679
02:22:33,920 --> 02:22:35,920
Speaker 1: very similar to Baylor football in the sense he's a

2680
02:22:35,959 --> 02:22:38,920
Speaker 1: big process guy and that they're talked a lot about

2681
02:22:38,920 --> 02:22:40,640
Speaker 1: trust in the process, and that is the vibe that

2682
02:22:40,680 --> 02:22:44,000
Speaker 1: he got from his conversations with coach Belichick. He also

2683
02:22:44,080 --> 02:22:47,240
Speaker 1: said he thinks Mac Jones is a stud and he

2684
02:22:47,360 --> 02:22:50,320
Speaker 1: also loves that he's a Florida guy. He was asked

2685
02:22:50,520 --> 02:22:52,920
Speaker 1: about how living and growing up in South Florida, I'm

2686
02:22:52,920 --> 02:22:55,400
Speaker 1: playing football in stats Florida attributed to his success and

2687
02:22:56,200 --> 02:22:58,440
Speaker 1: similar to what I brought up earlier, Florida guys are

2688
02:22:58,520 --> 02:23:00,520
Speaker 1: a big deal. There's a lot of competition there, he said.

2689
02:23:00,560 --> 02:23:03,160
Speaker 1: There's so much going on around you. There's so much

2690
02:23:03,200 --> 02:23:06,160
Speaker 1: adversity around you that you have to grow up so quickly.

2691
02:23:06,200 --> 02:23:08,720
Speaker 1: And just like football, there's so much adversity. You can

2692
02:23:08,760 --> 02:23:11,280
Speaker 1: only control what you can control. And that's really helped

2693
02:23:11,360 --> 02:23:15,080
Speaker 1: him um be the football player. I saw how many

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Speaker 1: years did he play at Baylor? Four he was there?

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Speaker 1: So was he? How long is Matt was Matt rule

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Speaker 1: there when he was probably, yeah, you would have been there.

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Speaker 1: That's yeah, because this is rules. What the third Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Also another thing is to note which I really liked.

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Speaker 1: When someone asked how he would describe himself, he said

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Speaker 1: his first word was coachable. Yeah, and there it is.

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Speaker 1: Also that was the first thing he said about this process.

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Speaker 1: Dante Adams, Davanta Adams is his role model. He did

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Speaker 1: say that a good one and a half with Paul

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Speaker 1: What's so funny? Coachable? That was his first describe yourself coachable,

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Speaker 1: and then his second one was was versatile. He said,

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Speaker 1: I'm willing to come in here and learn and change

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Speaker 1: my game if I need too. What does that process mean?

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Speaker 1: It seems like one of those nebulous things. It's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm all about the process. Trust the processs wrong? Yeah. Also,

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Speaker 1: speaking of we keep talking about guys being drafted too high,

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Speaker 1: too low, he that he was asked where he thought

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Speaker 1: he should have been drafted. He said he wasn't really

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Speaker 1: concerned with where where I was, but he said he

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Speaker 1: did expect to be a day two guys. Okay, James

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Speaker 1: Cook running back, Joja Dalvin's brother, is it yep ye

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Speaker 1: going to the Buffalo. I liked him as a James

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Speaker 1: White kind of replacement. Let James Cook. I think Duce

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Speaker 1: might go over on the big board this year, and

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Speaker 1: that's gonna hurt. The Chiefs also took the safety Brian Cook,

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Speaker 1: so too many cooks in the kitchen hurt as much

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Speaker 1: as it's gonna when when you're gonna have to listen

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Speaker 1: to me a whole year about it, Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you talk constantly about how great I did the first

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Speaker 1: two years. I'm sure it'll be balanced right. Last pick

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Speaker 1: in the second round coming up here too. I have

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Speaker 1: to I have to be honest. It seems like I

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Speaker 1: love it. I'd love to credit you for for all

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Speaker 1: the hits that you had in the first two years,

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Speaker 1: just not aware of them. So I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't blow my trumpet that much. Um tomorrow. I

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Speaker 1: just want to go back to you know the call.

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Speaker 1: How did he sound that? He sound like confident? Like

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Speaker 1: or fast? Was he one of the you know those

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Speaker 1: times it sounds like something the small risks? But was

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Speaker 1: was he was? My wrists are small, so I really can't.

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Speaker 1: Did you have you measured them? Do you have a

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Speaker 1: bigger rist? Yeah? Yeah, Okay, I have small wrists. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's why I could never be an elite wide receiver. There.

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Speaker 1: What can you say if you if you can touch

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Speaker 1: like the when you grasp your wrist, that's the size

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Speaker 1: like correlation between sounds like a like Owen Wilson and

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Speaker 1: wedding crashers? Yeah, I'm not buying that, um Ross and Scotland.

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Speaker 1: I want to start an argument, so I'll give it

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Speaker 1: a shot. Oh awesome without Brady? Is there a point

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Speaker 1: this fall, I think. I mean, that's that's the truth.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the last three years, thinks have not ended

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Speaker 1: well in any of those seasons, and you had a

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Speaker 1: draft bus the Bronco selects Nick Bonito, Oklahoma. Uh, we'll see,

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Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, you know, it's it's they're up

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Speaker 1: against it. Right now, and the AFC is awesome, the

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Speaker 1: AFC East is all getting better, and so he's got

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Speaker 1: to prove it. I mean he's got to prove it.

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Speaker 1: And that's what football is. Every year, you got to

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Speaker 1: prove it. And he's no different. And I think he

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Speaker 1: knows that. We'll see Chris with a T I A.

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Speaker 1: N says. We could talk about it all day, like

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Speaker 1: Bill has proven to be the best code ever with Brady,

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Speaker 1: is the twenty twenty two Patriots Unfiltered Draft Show. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the NFL Draft, all right, Welcome back to Patriots

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Speaker 1: Unfiltered Draft Extravagance, and we'll be here until ten o'clock

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Speaker 1: talking Patriots. Patriots are have two picks coming up in

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Speaker 1: the thirtieth pick. Likely we'll be off the air when

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Speaker 1: Jared and Virginia writes in I think these draft shows

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Speaker 1: The answer is that Fred gets thousands of fans reactions

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Speaker 1: It's knee jerk, right, you know. But I also often say,

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Speaker 1: like everyone is saying something. I don't literally mean zero

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Speaker 1: thousands you have, Fred So out of tens of thousands,

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Speaker 1: if he has a couple of guys that have crackpot

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Speaker 1: things and one fire Bill Belichick in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the second quarter. Yeah, again, I say no one wants

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Speaker 1: to fire Belichick. I'm sure that there is like five

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Speaker 1: people out there that would legitimately like to fire Belichick.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean literally zero. The New York Giants select

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Speaker 1: Josiah A. Zudu guard North Carolina. So that's the first

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Speaker 1: pick of the third round. No third pick of the

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Speaker 1: third round. Yeah. The Jags went with Luke Fortner, center

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Speaker 1: from Kentucky, and the Vikings took a linebacker, Brian Asamoa. Okay, Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: All right, Nathan writes in He's from Monterey, Mexico. Hope

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Speaker 1: you're keeping the energy up during the draft, Paul, Sorry

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Speaker 1: know if you guys have already discussed this, but I

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Speaker 1: thought we were discussing to Kobe Dean as an option

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Speaker 1: for our first round pick, any idea why he's fallen

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Speaker 1: to the third round health And we talked a little

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Speaker 1: health issues and the fact that no one's taken them

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Speaker 1: tells me that dis validity to that. Yeah, it's not

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Speaker 1: just the size. It is surprising though, what I mean,

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02:35:12,920 --> 02:35:15,760
Speaker 1: about where everybody's supposed to be drafted. Okay, pretty much

2901
02:35:15,840 --> 02:35:20,240
Speaker 1: every single person that did a mock draft of hiding

2902
02:35:20,280 --> 02:35:22,920
Speaker 1: to Kobe Dean. So just take it all with a

2903
02:35:22,959 --> 02:35:25,320
Speaker 1: green AsSalt about where everybody's supposed to go. There's other

2904
02:35:25,360 --> 02:35:27,680
Speaker 1: information and they could still get them right. But if

2905
02:35:27,720 --> 02:35:30,360
Speaker 1: you look at it, I think we had twenty seven

2906
02:35:30,440 --> 02:35:32,480
Speaker 1: out of thirty two in the first route. That's not

2907
02:35:32,600 --> 02:35:35,320
Speaker 1: that's remarkable, that's not bad. And we had a handful

2908
02:35:35,320 --> 02:35:38,120
Speaker 1: of direct hits in a year, a specific year that

2909
02:35:38,240 --> 02:35:41,600
Speaker 1: was wacky exactly, that included a lot of trades. I'm

2910
02:35:41,600 --> 02:35:43,520
Speaker 1: gonna take solace in that. If my big board falls

2911
02:35:43,560 --> 02:35:47,000
Speaker 1: on its face this year, Paul Uh, Let's see David

2912
02:35:47,120 --> 02:35:50,560
Speaker 1: in Portland, Maine, seems to me that Taekwon Thornton compares

2913
02:35:50,640 --> 02:35:53,960
Speaker 1: favorably to the wide receiver taking a thirty four Christian Watson.

2914
02:35:54,280 --> 02:35:56,840
Speaker 1: Tai Kwon is faster, both are tall, I would agree,

2915
02:35:57,080 --> 02:35:59,520
Speaker 1: and Tai Kwon seems to be more skilled and played

2916
02:35:59,560 --> 02:36:03,680
Speaker 1: better against better competition. What am I missing? I don't

2917
02:36:03,720 --> 02:36:05,520
Speaker 1: know about the better played. I don't know if he

2918
02:36:05,600 --> 02:36:08,480
Speaker 1: played better, but he definitely played against better competition, and

2919
02:36:08,520 --> 02:36:11,440
Speaker 1: I think there's a comparison there. Yeah. I think Watson's bigger, right,

2920
02:36:11,480 --> 02:36:14,119
Speaker 1: but probably a little bigger and probably did a little more.

2921
02:36:14,160 --> 02:36:16,560
Speaker 1: It seems like, I mean, just that's why I don't

2922
02:36:16,560 --> 02:36:20,040
Speaker 1: know about the better part. Yeah, George says he's another

2923
02:36:20,120 --> 02:36:24,000
Speaker 1: people just screwing with me about the Virginia probably now,

2924
02:36:24,080 --> 02:36:26,080
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, probably all the same person. Yeah.

2925
02:36:26,200 --> 02:36:29,320
Speaker 1: First off, I want to say, frustrated Deuce is amazing.

2926
02:36:29,800 --> 02:36:31,880
Speaker 1: I haven't heard a rant like that from him since

2927
02:36:31,920 --> 02:36:34,879
Speaker 1: the postgame show after the second Buffalo game, and I've

2928
02:36:34,959 --> 02:36:38,600
Speaker 1: missed it on our wide receiver draft selection. I had

2929
02:36:38,680 --> 02:36:41,280
Speaker 1: not heard of him before tonight watched them highlights, and

2930
02:36:41,360 --> 02:36:43,960
Speaker 1: he seems to have some skills. I'll be looking forward

2931
02:36:44,000 --> 02:36:47,119
Speaker 1: to seeing his speed on the field. A fall. Great work, guys,

2932
02:36:47,200 --> 02:36:49,560
Speaker 1: you were making the last few hours of work fly by,

2933
02:36:49,920 --> 02:36:52,520
Speaker 1: and I'm beyond appreciative for that. Have a good night,

2934
02:36:52,600 --> 02:36:56,040
Speaker 1: Fellas and Tamara. Yeah, I've just been diving in a

2935
02:36:56,080 --> 02:36:58,880
Speaker 1: little bit, running some of his some of his film,

2936
02:36:59,040 --> 02:37:01,480
Speaker 1: grinding the film, just putting some highlights on just to look.

2937
02:37:01,520 --> 02:37:04,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's got some intrigue, he's got some speed. Um.

2938
02:37:04,959 --> 02:37:07,600
Speaker 1: I hope that that people are maybe a little bit

2939
02:37:07,640 --> 02:37:09,360
Speaker 1: excited about him, just to give him a chance. It

2940
02:37:09,440 --> 02:37:11,000
Speaker 1: just seems like the kind of guy that everybody is

2941
02:37:11,040 --> 02:37:17,240
Speaker 1: calling when you got that sub four three forty runners

2942
02:37:17,320 --> 02:37:19,880
Speaker 1: are not teach that, Yeah, like Paul, we haven't had

2943
02:37:19,959 --> 02:37:24,160
Speaker 1: one here since I mean Specil Johnson. So it's gonna

2944
02:37:24,160 --> 02:37:27,120
Speaker 1: be fun just to see how much different he is

2945
02:37:27,160 --> 02:37:29,040
Speaker 1: compared to some of these other guys in terms of,

2946
02:37:29,320 --> 02:37:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, how quickly he can get to that speed?

2947
02:37:32,000 --> 02:37:33,440
Speaker 1: You know? Is he one of these like it takes

2948
02:37:33,480 --> 02:37:35,200
Speaker 1: a while to right up? Can he get jammed at

2949
02:37:35,200 --> 02:37:38,119
Speaker 1: the line the track background? Is he like really able

2950
02:37:38,160 --> 02:37:40,080
Speaker 1: to do that right away? And how much of a

2951
02:37:40,120 --> 02:37:43,240
Speaker 1: difference is that going to make? Ye, that's the part

2952
02:37:43,280 --> 02:37:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm most excited about right now. Is to see that.

2953
02:37:45,480 --> 02:37:47,600
Speaker 1: I see that speed, I see I see a little

2954
02:37:47,600 --> 02:37:49,520
Speaker 1: bit of you know, a little bit of Jamison Williams

2955
02:37:49,560 --> 02:37:52,040
Speaker 1: would just the ability to pull away. And that's I mean,

2956
02:37:52,120 --> 02:37:55,280
Speaker 1: that's speed and that's just a pure kind of speed thing.

2957
02:37:55,360 --> 02:37:58,560
Speaker 1: But how does Mac drive with that kind of player?

2958
02:37:58,680 --> 02:38:00,600
Speaker 1: You know, I mean we've we've I haven't really seen

2959
02:38:00,720 --> 02:38:02,160
Speaker 1: him with with that kind of guy when there were

2960
02:38:02,240 --> 02:38:04,080
Speaker 1: some can toss it up, toss it up, down phield,

2961
02:38:04,120 --> 02:38:05,920
Speaker 1: let him go run under it. But you think maybe

2962
02:38:06,000 --> 02:38:09,720
Speaker 1: some thought about max skillset went into it. If you

2963
02:38:09,800 --> 02:38:11,360
Speaker 1: can get it there, if you can get it there,

2964
02:38:13,160 --> 02:38:18,280
Speaker 1: let's go to the phones. Jeffson, California. Hey Jeff, Jeff

2965
02:38:18,840 --> 02:38:24,840
Speaker 1: good good, good, Hey Deuce. Angry Deuce is always fun.

2966
02:38:25,400 --> 02:38:28,360
Speaker 1: And uh, you know I used to think like you too,

2967
02:38:28,520 --> 02:38:31,400
Speaker 1: So I understand where you're coming from us, you know,

2968
02:38:31,640 --> 02:38:35,880
Speaker 1: defending the wall. But you know now more right now

2969
02:38:35,920 --> 02:38:39,440
Speaker 1: I would understand. Don't don't be patronized. There was condescension

2970
02:38:39,520 --> 02:38:42,440
Speaker 1: in that that comment. I agree. I used I used

2971
02:38:42,480 --> 02:38:44,959
Speaker 1: to be foolish like you. I used to think Bill

2972
02:38:45,040 --> 02:38:47,280
Speaker 1: Belichick was an okay head coach, but now I know

2973
02:38:47,400 --> 02:38:49,400
Speaker 1: that he's terrible, and that he's got to go. He's

2974
02:38:49,400 --> 02:38:52,280
Speaker 1: been here twenty one years too long. There he goes,

2975
02:38:52,560 --> 02:38:55,000
Speaker 1: There he goes. All all intakes is just a little

2976
02:38:55,080 --> 02:38:58,360
Speaker 1: match you have. You do. You have a lot of

2977
02:38:58,440 --> 02:39:02,400
Speaker 1: antie in you. You take it to such an extreme. Oh,

2978
02:39:02,440 --> 02:39:03,960
Speaker 1: I guess you know we shouldn't ad him for the

2979
02:39:04,000 --> 02:39:13,240
Speaker 1: last twenty one years. You do me, DEVI show you

2980
02:39:13,360 --> 02:39:15,040
Speaker 1: I can. I do it like twice a year and

2981
02:39:15,080 --> 02:39:17,760
Speaker 1: everyone was like, oh my god, the pot every single episode.

2982
02:39:18,800 --> 02:39:23,039
Speaker 1: WHOA what'd you say? I think? I cry, I argue

2983
02:39:23,080 --> 02:39:27,120
Speaker 1: all the time. You never take things to extremes. I

2984
02:39:27,200 --> 02:39:29,320
Speaker 1: don't say like point, I'm not trying to tell you

2985
02:39:29,400 --> 02:39:31,280
Speaker 1: that Bill should have been fired twenty one years ago.

2986
02:39:32,120 --> 02:39:34,560
Speaker 1: It isn't anything. But I also take any you stupid

2987
02:39:34,680 --> 02:39:37,600
Speaker 1: argument things so hey, we're having fun, it's that seat,

2988
02:39:37,680 --> 02:39:41,480
Speaker 1: you're in the seat, anything else, Jeff, Yeah, yeah, just

2989
02:39:41,600 --> 02:39:44,600
Speaker 1: two quick things. The reason I was calling the needle

2990
02:39:45,000 --> 02:39:46,760
Speaker 1: deuce is I think that a lot of people when

2991
02:39:46,800 --> 02:39:49,800
Speaker 1: they get their back up about the Bill Belichick thing,

2992
02:39:50,240 --> 02:39:55,840
Speaker 1: it's that you know, unh unattributed quotes that everybody linked

2993
02:39:55,840 --> 02:39:57,760
Speaker 1: to Joe Judge belt like, well, we could have done

2994
02:39:57,800 --> 02:40:01,000
Speaker 1: this with any top fifteen quarterback, blah blah. It's the

2995
02:40:01,080 --> 02:40:03,840
Speaker 1: attitude of that that I think that's people like me

2996
02:40:04,080 --> 02:40:07,920
Speaker 1: off that Belichick kind of thumbs his nose, that everybody like,

2997
02:40:08,000 --> 02:40:11,360
Speaker 1: oh no, it all was me, Like because it has

2998
02:40:11,400 --> 02:40:13,800
Speaker 1: to be always the air that comes out of the building,

2999
02:40:13,959 --> 02:40:16,200
Speaker 1: that it's like, oh, it all was me, it was

3000
02:40:16,240 --> 02:40:19,040
Speaker 1: all our system, it was all this. Yeah that I'm

3001
02:40:19,240 --> 02:40:22,720
Speaker 1: the first point. Yeah, And that's what gets my backup

3002
02:40:22,879 --> 02:40:24,440
Speaker 1: is it's like, well, if it really was all you,

3003
02:40:24,600 --> 02:40:26,840
Speaker 1: then why don't you do it now? Oh you go.

3004
02:40:27,640 --> 02:40:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm on board with that. Yeah, you know, me too,

3005
02:40:29,480 --> 02:40:31,040
Speaker 1: me too. I don't. I don't. I don't need any

3006
02:40:31,080 --> 02:40:32,920
Speaker 1: of that. I mean, come on, yeah, I'm Brady credit.

3007
02:40:33,320 --> 02:40:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah he's pretty good. But again, it's like this hearsay

3008
02:40:36,480 --> 02:40:38,520
Speaker 1: stuff of like, well did you did we hear Joe

3009
02:40:38,560 --> 02:40:40,320
Speaker 1: Jes say that? Or is that like you know, I

3010
02:40:40,360 --> 02:40:43,520
Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, yeah, no, I get that. And and

3011
02:40:43,800 --> 02:40:46,160
Speaker 1: just the second thing real quick, because I'll take it

3012
02:40:46,240 --> 02:40:49,400
Speaker 1: off the air and ask you guys um with the

3013
02:40:50,040 --> 02:40:53,240
Speaker 1: pick last night because I was apoplectic but I knew

3014
02:40:53,280 --> 02:40:55,640
Speaker 1: it was coming anyway. But do you guys think that

3015
02:40:56,080 --> 02:41:00,160
Speaker 1: that's kind of a pick proved that last year an

3016
02:41:00,240 --> 02:41:03,880
Speaker 1: outsider like Ziegler kind of being in the process, was

3017
02:41:04,080 --> 02:41:09,440
Speaker 1: more influenced he left. Now Grow is in place, and

3018
02:41:09,600 --> 02:41:12,280
Speaker 1: you heard his press conference. This guy sounds like he's

3019
02:41:12,360 --> 02:41:15,920
Speaker 1: just completely the old been one hundred percent that yes man.

3020
02:41:16,400 --> 02:41:20,160
Speaker 1: And so it feels like that after the owner called

3021
02:41:20,280 --> 02:41:23,360
Speaker 1: him out about having a bad draft the last four years,

3022
02:41:23,520 --> 02:41:25,920
Speaker 1: it feels like we're right back to that whole Bill

3023
02:41:26,360 --> 02:41:30,080
Speaker 1: is in charge thing. But also all the owner called

3024
02:41:30,160 --> 02:41:32,760
Speaker 1: me out, So I can't have this pick look like

3025
02:41:32,879 --> 02:41:35,640
Speaker 1: a total bust. So I'm gonna pick a guy that

3026
02:41:35,800 --> 02:41:38,840
Speaker 1: can hide on the offensive, lying regardless, and no one's

3027
02:41:38,840 --> 02:41:40,720
Speaker 1: going to see him get beat like a drum in

3028
02:41:40,800 --> 02:41:43,199
Speaker 1: a big game. Anyways, I'll pick it off the air. Okay,

3029
02:41:44,360 --> 02:41:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, I could I hear that argument, you know,

3030
02:41:48,800 --> 02:41:51,680
Speaker 1: but MATC. Grow got up there and said, when it

3031
02:41:51,760 --> 02:41:53,920
Speaker 1: comes to wide receivers, you gotta go get him, and

3032
02:41:54,120 --> 02:41:56,960
Speaker 1: they trade it up to get one. So I don't

3033
02:41:57,080 --> 02:41:59,360
Speaker 1: is that a Bill thing or was that you know

3034
02:41:59,480 --> 02:42:01,560
Speaker 1: some of the younger guys. A lot of guys in

3035
02:42:01,760 --> 02:42:04,400
Speaker 1: that room, Like I said, you know, I always wonder

3036
02:42:04,480 --> 02:42:06,400
Speaker 1: like when they trade up to go like whose guy

3037
02:42:06,600 --> 02:42:12,680
Speaker 1: was that? Well? I just think it's last a little brother,

3038
02:42:13,080 --> 02:42:20,760
Speaker 1: Jackal the little brother. It's not fair speak French. Yeah, uh,

3039
02:42:21,879 --> 02:42:25,879
Speaker 1: let's go. Let's go to Bob and Western Mass. He's

3040
02:42:25,920 --> 02:42:28,959
Speaker 1: just out there in Western Mass. What's up? Bob? Parts

3041
02:42:29,000 --> 02:42:33,360
Speaker 1: on them? Bob, are you there? Bob's really Western Mass? Yeah,

3042
02:42:33,800 --> 02:42:36,560
Speaker 1: they don't even get soil reception. Yeah, it's terrible, all right,

3043
02:42:36,800 --> 02:42:42,920
Speaker 1: do we dare? Let Chris from Scott d D Chris

3044
02:42:43,040 --> 02:42:46,280
Speaker 1: and Scott Stale is calling back for round two. I

3045
02:42:46,400 --> 02:42:53,080
Speaker 1: hope your connections better this time. Let's go. It's not

3046
02:42:58,000 --> 02:43:01,400
Speaker 1: like you are the show for me, Like when you're gone,

3047
02:43:01,560 --> 02:43:03,959
Speaker 1: it's not the same. Paul's my thinking. But what I'm

3048
02:43:03,959 --> 02:43:05,840
Speaker 1: trying to tell you is like when you're not there, man,

3049
02:43:05,920 --> 02:43:08,760
Speaker 1: the show is completely It's hopefully not the same. Yeah.

3050
02:43:10,160 --> 02:43:13,400
Speaker 1: So anyways, Douce, I want to be clear. And by

3051
02:43:13,440 --> 02:43:14,960
Speaker 1: the way, Fred, before you do let me go, I

3052
02:43:15,000 --> 02:43:17,600
Speaker 1: have two prospects. I have a couple of guys i'd

3053
02:43:17,600 --> 02:43:19,600
Speaker 1: like to see us get and I just wanted your

3054
02:43:19,640 --> 02:43:22,840
Speaker 1: thoughts on him as a group. But Douce, because you

3055
02:43:22,920 --> 02:43:24,440
Speaker 1: said that you wanted the opportunity to talk to me

3056
02:43:24,480 --> 02:43:26,760
Speaker 1: while while I was on air, I'm just gonna say

3057
02:43:26,800 --> 02:43:30,440
Speaker 1: this and unless you know something so I've had. I've

3058
02:43:30,480 --> 02:43:32,640
Speaker 1: been defending the wall for years and years and years.

3059
02:43:32,720 --> 02:43:34,480
Speaker 1: I went to the Super Bowl with the helmet cash

3060
02:43:34,520 --> 02:43:36,920
Speaker 1: and the whole day, you know, I had my heart

3061
02:43:37,000 --> 02:43:39,480
Speaker 1: ripped out, you know when I saw that. Like everybody else,

3062
02:43:39,560 --> 02:43:41,720
Speaker 1: I've been a fan for you know, ever since I

3063
02:43:41,800 --> 02:43:44,640
Speaker 1: was a kid in forty six gallons U. The point

3064
02:43:44,680 --> 02:43:46,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make to you is I never won

3065
02:43:46,720 --> 02:43:49,440
Speaker 1: said anything at all, and I don't think anybody else

3066
02:43:49,480 --> 02:43:52,680
Speaker 1: the same anything at all either, felt Bill the coach

3067
02:43:53,360 --> 02:43:56,200
Speaker 1: build the coach. I wouldn't and Paul said it a

3068
02:43:56,320 --> 02:43:59,520
Speaker 1: million times as well, Bread everybody. I wouldn't want another

3069
02:43:59,600 --> 02:44:01,800
Speaker 1: soul planet Earth to be the coach of my New

3070
02:44:01,879 --> 02:44:05,000
Speaker 1: England patients, my New York Patriots. What I'm sick of

3071
02:44:05,120 --> 02:44:06,880
Speaker 1: and what I can't stand and why I'm going to

3072
02:44:06,959 --> 02:44:10,160
Speaker 1: have to see him go is that as a GM,

3073
02:44:10,720 --> 02:44:15,800
Speaker 1: it is completely disgusting what he does with free agencies

3074
02:44:15,879 --> 02:44:19,480
Speaker 1: and especially the draft. I'm tired by the fans, just

3075
02:44:19,680 --> 02:44:22,200
Speaker 1: as a fan of every year having a draft, the

3076
02:44:22,280 --> 02:44:27,280
Speaker 1: complete garbage every year, having to watch other teams, other teams,

3077
02:44:27,360 --> 02:44:30,160
Speaker 1: I have to watch athletic superstars, and this that and

3078
02:44:30,160 --> 02:44:32,600
Speaker 1: the other to get the enjoyment of watching the athleticism

3079
02:44:32,640 --> 02:44:35,840
Speaker 1: on the field because he doesn't draft it, he hands

3080
02:44:35,879 --> 02:44:40,879
Speaker 1: it over to people. So but no, no, Paul, That's

3081
02:44:40,920 --> 02:44:42,879
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We finally have a fast guy. But again,

3082
02:44:43,160 --> 02:44:45,199
Speaker 1: well we do, we have to draft him new sky

3083
02:44:45,320 --> 02:44:47,280
Speaker 1: high compared to where he probably should have gone in

3084
02:44:47,320 --> 02:44:49,400
Speaker 1: the draft, and this, that and the other. I want

3085
02:44:49,480 --> 02:44:52,879
Speaker 1: a competing GM who knows how to work a draft

3086
02:44:53,000 --> 02:44:56,440
Speaker 1: or to appropriately and takes advantage of talent and doesn't

3087
02:44:56,480 --> 02:44:59,039
Speaker 1: just say, well, I'll say, talk Liver because I'm arrogant

3088
02:44:59,080 --> 02:45:03,120
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, And I'll yeah, I think you're you're being

3089
02:45:03,360 --> 02:45:08,360
Speaker 1: very extreme here, you know, No, I know, but like,

3090
02:45:08,720 --> 02:45:14,840
Speaker 1: did you like did you not like Barmore last year? No?

3091
02:45:14,959 --> 02:45:18,640
Speaker 1: I was, I was just I mean, your your your

3092
02:45:18,840 --> 02:45:22,440
Speaker 1: your phone sucks, so we gotta go. But thanks. Yeah,

3093
02:45:22,800 --> 02:45:25,240
Speaker 1: I mean I get what he's saying. I mean, it's

3094
02:45:25,680 --> 02:45:27,840
Speaker 1: it's it's it's He's right. I mean, in terms of

3095
02:45:27,879 --> 02:45:31,560
Speaker 1: the talent that they've acquired since twenty sixteen, that that's

3096
02:45:31,600 --> 02:45:32,960
Speaker 1: been a big part of it. So I mean, I

3097
02:45:33,040 --> 02:45:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that. I mean I also think

3098
02:45:35,680 --> 02:45:38,440
Speaker 1: it's it's very hard to to pick guys and to

3099
02:45:38,560 --> 02:45:41,360
Speaker 1: put a team together over twenty plus years. And I know,

3100
02:45:41,680 --> 02:45:45,360
Speaker 1: but it's it's fallen below the line. I agree, I do.

3101
02:45:45,560 --> 02:45:48,360
Speaker 1: She weren't around when I had some historic rants on

3102
02:45:48,560 --> 02:45:51,640
Speaker 1: draft shows when he would take guys like Tavon Wilson,

3103
02:45:51,920 --> 02:45:54,440
Speaker 1: and you know, even like even the Matthew Slater pick,

3104
02:45:54,520 --> 02:45:57,760
Speaker 1: when we like had like nobody had any information anywhere

3105
02:45:57,879 --> 02:46:01,160
Speaker 1: about Matthew Slater other than no just that they just

3106
02:46:01,280 --> 02:46:03,360
Speaker 1: knew that he played at UCLA, that his father was

3107
02:46:03,440 --> 02:46:06,039
Speaker 1: jack father was Jackie Slay, Like nobody had any information

3108
02:46:06,120 --> 02:46:08,400
Speaker 1: about him, and like I was just I rate, like, yeah,

3109
02:46:09,040 --> 02:46:10,640
Speaker 1: you know, Matthew Slater ended up being one of the

3110
02:46:10,680 --> 02:46:14,200
Speaker 1: ones that worked out, But like he takes these he

3111
02:46:15,080 --> 02:46:18,080
Speaker 1: the appearance is that he's smarter than everybody else, and

3112
02:46:18,240 --> 02:46:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to draft these guys that nobody expects. And

3113
02:46:21,240 --> 02:46:23,280
Speaker 1: that's where the frustration comes in for a lot of people,

3114
02:46:23,320 --> 02:46:25,720
Speaker 1: because they're like, we're seeing all of these names that

3115
02:46:25,800 --> 02:46:28,600
Speaker 1: we recognize, and these guys end up more often than

3116
02:46:28,720 --> 02:46:31,160
Speaker 1: not becoming stars in the league, and we could have

3117
02:46:31,240 --> 02:46:33,520
Speaker 1: had them, And imagine how much more he could have

3118
02:46:33,560 --> 02:46:35,360
Speaker 1: won if he had had those guys on his team.

3119
02:46:35,800 --> 02:46:39,200
Speaker 1: And that's the I understand what was it, Scott, yeah,

3120
02:46:39,520 --> 02:46:44,200
Speaker 1: or Chris and Scott Scottsdale? Right, I understand that frustration. Yeah, yeah,

3121
02:46:44,600 --> 02:46:47,560
Speaker 1: because I felt that so many times on this draft show,

3122
02:46:47,720 --> 02:46:49,880
Speaker 1: saying like, look at all these look at all these

3123
02:46:50,200 --> 02:46:53,879
Speaker 1: clearly talented guys that they're passing over. That's what's funny, though,

3124
02:46:54,000 --> 02:46:56,720
Speaker 1: is that I don't really feel the need to defend

3125
02:46:56,800 --> 02:46:59,360
Speaker 1: Bill that GM. Like I'm not like the passionate defender

3126
02:46:59,400 --> 02:47:01,240
Speaker 1: of Bill g the GM. I just like coaches. I

3127
02:47:01,360 --> 02:47:04,760
Speaker 1: like coaching. I like that's aspect of it. That's what

3128
02:47:04,879 --> 02:47:10,280
Speaker 1: I find fascinating. Um, you know, I mean, I still right,

3129
02:47:10,400 --> 02:47:12,440
Speaker 1: but I still think he's a great coach. I do.

3130
02:47:12,720 --> 02:47:14,959
Speaker 1: That's what I That's I've always sen Fred will tell

3131
02:47:14,959 --> 02:47:17,120
Speaker 1: you this. I've always questioned Bill the GM. I think

3132
02:47:17,160 --> 02:47:19,720
Speaker 1: they left championships on the table. Oh I've said that too.

3133
02:47:19,760 --> 02:47:21,920
Speaker 1: Imagine how many more they could have won if they had.

3134
02:47:22,480 --> 02:47:25,080
Speaker 1: And I know that's being ridiculously selfish, but like never

3135
02:47:25,200 --> 02:47:28,320
Speaker 1: say like I'm outraged I need him gone because I

3136
02:47:28,360 --> 02:47:30,480
Speaker 1: should have nine titles and set to six. But like

3137
02:47:30,640 --> 02:47:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, yeah, two thousand and six is

3138
02:47:32,760 --> 02:47:39,920
Speaker 1: a sure, example with the general totally Tennessee, Travis and

3139
02:47:39,959 --> 02:47:42,640
Speaker 1: West Virginia, says funny, all of the thousands of emails

3140
02:47:42,680 --> 02:47:45,320
Speaker 1: Fred doesn't think are good enough to read. But you

3141
02:47:45,480 --> 02:47:48,080
Speaker 1: let a guy call from a subway station and yell

3142
02:47:48,160 --> 02:47:50,959
Speaker 1: into a speaker phone from thirty feet away to complain

3143
02:47:51,040 --> 02:47:55,360
Speaker 1: about Mike for twenty minutes. I'd be very, very hurt

3144
02:47:55,360 --> 02:47:57,119
Speaker 1: if I were Miking you allowed that to have. Also,

3145
02:47:57,240 --> 02:47:59,480
Speaker 1: can you make sure Tamara is okay? She might have

3146
02:47:59,560 --> 02:48:02,200
Speaker 1: had a mini stroke just prior to the Cowboys pick tonight.

3147
02:48:02,480 --> 02:48:08,960
Speaker 1: She was very confused. I'm okay, coming for you. Okay,

3148
02:48:09,600 --> 02:48:14,680
Speaker 1: she's multitasking, Yes, multitasking, was doing research. Chad Muma another favorite.

3149
02:48:15,560 --> 02:48:17,480
Speaker 1: Oh Vilas Jones. He was on the big board too.

3150
02:48:18,000 --> 02:48:20,880
Speaker 1: Oh Bears. Bears look very happy getting their guy in

3151
02:48:20,920 --> 02:48:27,040
Speaker 1: their war room. God, third round pick. Yeah, articulous third

3152
02:48:27,160 --> 02:48:34,080
Speaker 1: round pick. It's like New Year's Shakes. Yeah. Yes, No.

3153
02:48:34,240 --> 02:48:37,720
Speaker 1: Matt Miller, right, the draft analyst for ESPN, you know

3154
02:48:37,920 --> 02:48:42,440
Speaker 1: in he wrote, he just tweeted out I thought Taekwon

3155
02:48:42,520 --> 02:48:44,400
Speaker 1: Thornton was a Day three pick who was only that

3156
02:48:44,560 --> 02:48:47,480
Speaker 1: high based on his speed, which is really damning. Like

3157
02:48:47,560 --> 02:48:49,920
Speaker 1: a Day three pick only because he was lightning fast.

3158
02:48:50,680 --> 02:48:53,320
Speaker 1: I really hope I'm wrong, but the Patriots draft value

3159
02:48:53,360 --> 02:48:56,920
Speaker 1: has been way, way off. And the only thing I

3160
02:48:56,959 --> 02:48:59,120
Speaker 1: would say to that is, why do you really hope

3161
02:48:59,120 --> 02:49:01,880
Speaker 1: you're wrong? Right? Like, like what do you have in

3162
02:49:02,560 --> 02:49:08,200
Speaker 1: but like you know, but your job is to be right? Right? Yeah,

3163
02:49:08,360 --> 02:49:11,480
Speaker 1: if I right? You know, Like the reason I gravitate

3164
02:49:11,560 --> 02:49:16,720
Speaker 1: toward guys like Daniel Jeremiah is because I look at

3165
02:49:16,760 --> 02:49:19,720
Speaker 1: his stuff and generally he seems to be pretty close

3166
02:49:19,840 --> 02:49:21,920
Speaker 1: no one gets it right, yeah, but he seems to

3167
02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:24,800
Speaker 1: be pretty accurate with a lot of his projections. And

3168
02:49:24,840 --> 02:49:28,280
Speaker 1: if I'm Matt Miller, I'm completely the opposite of that.

3169
02:49:28,640 --> 02:49:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm hoping I'm right. I think he's pick and that's

3170
02:49:32,440 --> 02:49:34,920
Speaker 1: what he turned out to be, right. Yeah, this, uh,

3171
02:49:35,040 --> 02:49:36,800
Speaker 1: this Thornton kid, I'm looking at pictures of him. He

3172
02:49:36,840 --> 02:49:39,440
Speaker 1: looks skinny, like, um, well that's one of them kid

3173
02:49:39,640 --> 02:49:42,360
Speaker 1: from Alabama and with the Eagles, what's what's his name?

3174
02:49:42,959 --> 02:49:46,039
Speaker 1: You know about his rest but a lot of people

3175
02:49:46,280 --> 02:49:48,240
Speaker 1: are saying it that's one of the reasons why he

3176
02:49:48,360 --> 02:49:51,360
Speaker 1: was a Day three projections He's so over the middle

3177
02:49:51,400 --> 02:49:59,480
Speaker 1: and get popped and yeah, I mean and that's you know,

3178
02:49:59,600 --> 02:50:02,400
Speaker 1: but I mean similar kind of range of Jamison Williams.

3179
02:50:02,400 --> 02:50:05,440
Speaker 1: I mean, Thornton seems skinnier. It's not He's not Jamison Williams,

3180
02:50:05,480 --> 02:50:07,760
Speaker 1: but that's the kind of player. You know, lean tall,

3181
02:50:08,600 --> 02:50:11,480
Speaker 1: but you miss him in space. He's gone. Bob is

3182
02:50:11,560 --> 02:50:15,039
Speaker 1: back from Western mass Bob, what's up? Hey, guys? How

3183
02:50:15,040 --> 02:50:16,880
Speaker 1: are you doing good? How are you doing about the

3184
02:50:17,360 --> 02:50:19,640
Speaker 1: faux pa areas out here in the hot tub? And

3185
02:50:19,680 --> 02:50:26,120
Speaker 1: I had the bluetooth connected machine. I'm a big shot.

3186
02:50:26,160 --> 02:50:29,280
Speaker 1: I don't like the brag. Puts your toe win very hot?

3187
02:50:29,480 --> 02:50:38,879
Speaker 1: Wha who? Well? Nice the water? Now? Are you nude?

3188
02:50:39,000 --> 02:50:43,800
Speaker 1: The audio good? Yeah? Okay, excellent, Okay, go ahead, we

3189
02:50:43,920 --> 02:50:47,760
Speaker 1: can hear you. I'm sorry. So I was kind of

3190
02:50:47,800 --> 02:50:50,240
Speaker 1: pingybacking on the Ukrainian guy that called about an hour

3191
02:50:50,280 --> 02:50:52,360
Speaker 1: ago and what he was trying to say, and maybe

3192
02:50:52,400 --> 02:50:56,039
Speaker 1: had a little brady to his argument. But I think

3193
02:50:56,120 --> 02:50:59,240
Speaker 1: Belichick's you know, still pretty decent at you know, picking

3194
02:50:59,320 --> 02:51:01,640
Speaker 1: up free agents. Not too bad in the later rounds,

3195
02:51:01,720 --> 02:51:05,119
Speaker 1: but maybe take away the first round, second round, third

3196
02:51:05,240 --> 02:51:09,480
Speaker 1: round from him, you know, the grandpa drive to the market,

3197
02:51:09,560 --> 02:51:14,440
Speaker 1: but maybe keep him off the freeway. Wow, jeez, Paul

3198
02:51:15,400 --> 02:51:18,680
Speaker 1: two one. I go, Paul, I don't want to. I

3199
02:51:18,720 --> 02:51:20,760
Speaker 1: don't want to hear you tell me that no one

3200
02:51:20,879 --> 02:51:26,320
Speaker 1: criticizes Bill Belichick. Do I have to explain this again? Yeah? Yes, apparently. Yeah.

3201
02:51:26,400 --> 02:51:29,040
Speaker 1: Please when I say no one, I don't mean zero. Yeah. Yeah,

3202
02:51:29,200 --> 02:51:32,080
Speaker 1: like I want I want you to to Like a

3203
02:51:32,160 --> 02:51:36,240
Speaker 1: lot of people are, well, now I'm talking about the

3204
02:51:36,320 --> 02:51:39,480
Speaker 1: last twenty twenty plus years. He's got no criticism. Well

3205
02:51:39,920 --> 02:51:44,520
Speaker 1: should he have? Sure? Yes, Malcolm Brown, like eight years

3206
02:51:44,560 --> 02:51:46,400
Speaker 1: ago was a terrible pain. Okay, so he has to

3207
02:51:46,480 --> 02:51:49,440
Speaker 1: be perfect. No, but I mean everybody told me it

3208
02:51:49,520 --> 02:51:52,080
Speaker 1: was great. They got an A for that draft. Like

3209
02:51:52,480 --> 02:51:56,320
Speaker 1: there's a difference between everybody's perfect. No, he's considered to

3210
02:51:56,400 --> 02:51:58,960
Speaker 1: be perfect, right, but people are writing it's like, well,

3211
02:51:59,000 --> 02:52:01,480
Speaker 1: I guess I'm wrong Bill Bill, Bill likes Cole Strange.

3212
02:52:01,480 --> 02:52:04,400
Speaker 1: I guess I'm wrong. Like some draft expert hopes he's

3213
02:52:04,400 --> 02:52:08,320
Speaker 1: wrong because Bill Belichick took took the guy, you know

3214
02:52:08,760 --> 02:52:11,640
Speaker 1: before he thought he was gonna be I don't tell

3215
02:52:11,680 --> 02:52:15,000
Speaker 1: me there's not this still this opinion of Bill of

3216
02:52:15,520 --> 02:52:21,000
Speaker 1: being infallible. Okay, you don't think so, but infallible again,

3217
02:52:21,080 --> 02:52:26,240
Speaker 1: We're we're talking definitives here. No he's not infallible. But

3218
02:52:26,400 --> 02:52:30,760
Speaker 1: I know he's not infallible, but there's still a widespread Again,

3219
02:52:30,879 --> 02:52:34,080
Speaker 1: not every single person thinks he's infallible. Yeah, but there's

3220
02:52:34,440 --> 02:52:38,280
Speaker 1: that's still a widely held belief. I'm listening to like Beetle,

3221
02:52:38,320 --> 02:52:41,480
Speaker 1: who's very critical, Yeah, telling me what Bill had conviction.

3222
02:52:41,520 --> 02:52:44,000
Speaker 1: He liked this guy i'd like to pick. So you

3223
02:52:44,160 --> 02:52:47,440
Speaker 1: liked the pick solely because Bill Belichick made it. Yeah,

3224
02:52:48,280 --> 02:52:50,240
Speaker 1: And I like Beetle. I'm not trying to pick on him.

3225
02:52:51,760 --> 02:52:54,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, trading down and then picking the guy

3226
02:52:54,600 --> 02:52:58,240
Speaker 1: that's not conviction. I don't know, afraid. I mean, you

3227
02:52:58,480 --> 02:53:00,720
Speaker 1: you hire people. How would be like if you had

3228
02:53:00,760 --> 02:53:03,840
Speaker 1: to hire forty people every year? Every year you gotta

3229
02:53:03,920 --> 02:53:07,879
Speaker 1: hire forty My head would explode. It's really hard. I'm

3230
02:53:07,920 --> 02:53:13,960
Speaker 1: gonna bust his balls. Light the Seattle Abraham Lucas, Tackle,

3231
02:53:14,240 --> 02:53:20,200
Speaker 1: Washington State, hometown products, Bob anything else, because you know

3232
02:53:20,280 --> 02:53:23,800
Speaker 1: we're getting up. We're all right. We're also getting a

3233
02:53:23,800 --> 02:53:26,360
Speaker 1: little punchy. Yeah, wait till tomorrow some of us. Oh

3234
02:53:26,840 --> 02:53:31,039
Speaker 1: but that's funny punchy. Uh. Jason and Carl's bad New Mexico.

3235
02:53:31,480 --> 02:53:34,119
Speaker 1: So I hadn't heard of Thornton until the Patriots selected him.

3236
02:53:34,280 --> 02:53:37,160
Speaker 1: But I watched some of his highlights and he seems

3237
02:53:37,160 --> 02:53:39,400
Speaker 1: to have good hands, and he looks like he is

3238
02:53:39,440 --> 02:53:42,720
Speaker 1: definitely a playmaker. He's a good runner with the football

3239
02:53:42,840 --> 02:53:45,480
Speaker 1: after the catch. I like his big playability and his

3240
02:53:45,600 --> 02:53:48,960
Speaker 1: ability to make contested catches. Looks like a decent pick.

3241
02:53:49,320 --> 02:53:51,240
Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing him as a Patriot and

3242
02:53:51,320 --> 02:53:53,720
Speaker 1: seeing how he fits in the offense. Do you think

3243
02:53:53,760 --> 02:53:57,160
Speaker 1: he could potentially be our number one receiver? Loving the

3244
02:53:57,280 --> 02:54:00,360
Speaker 1: draft shows, keep up the great work. I think I

3245
02:54:00,400 --> 02:54:03,040
Speaker 1: think Paul was right on it with I think he's

3246
02:54:03,080 --> 02:54:08,720
Speaker 1: your next year Agalore replacement. You're outside X receiver consistently

3247
02:54:08,760 --> 02:54:11,240
Speaker 1: down to downy and if he pants out, I'm fine

3248
02:54:11,280 --> 02:54:14,080
Speaker 1: with that because I'm not I'm not entering twenty twenty

3249
02:54:14,320 --> 02:54:18,760
Speaker 1: two with like these through the roof aspirations and expectations.

3250
02:54:18,879 --> 02:54:21,760
Speaker 1: I think there's if he's a good player and he

3251
02:54:21,920 --> 02:54:25,720
Speaker 1: maybe catches thirty balls this year, but he shows promise

3252
02:54:26,080 --> 02:54:28,280
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe he steps into a bigger role

3253
02:54:28,320 --> 02:54:30,000
Speaker 1: next year. I'm fine with that. Let's just say it now,

3254
02:54:30,480 --> 02:54:33,360
Speaker 1: get on the field, stay on the field, just stay healthy. Yep,

3255
02:54:33,720 --> 02:54:36,800
Speaker 1: that's how That's what matters now if he's a healthy

3256
02:54:36,800 --> 02:54:40,280
Speaker 1: scratch every week or gets hurt even worse, gets hurt

3257
02:54:40,320 --> 02:54:42,760
Speaker 1: and like, I don't just give him a free pass.

3258
02:54:42,800 --> 02:54:46,120
Speaker 1: That that's a bad pick. It's it's it's like, you know,

3259
02:54:46,360 --> 02:54:49,080
Speaker 1: the injury within reason. I think, what has happened? What

3260
02:54:49,200 --> 02:54:51,680
Speaker 1: the hell just happened? Some guy just fall out? Yeah?

3261
02:54:52,200 --> 02:54:54,760
Speaker 1: Oh wow? On the draft show, yeah, there were like

3262
02:54:55,000 --> 02:55:00,880
Speaker 1: somebody was on somebody else's shoulders and okay. In the

3263
02:55:01,040 --> 02:55:07,160
Speaker 1: twenty two NFL drafts, the Indianapolis Cults select they're a

3264
02:55:07,320 --> 02:55:09,400
Speaker 1: comedy duo. So I'm gonna guess this is a joke.

3265
02:55:09,600 --> 02:55:13,040
Speaker 1: That's cults. They're gonna hang out, They're gonna hit a

3266
02:55:13,080 --> 02:55:15,280
Speaker 1: batterer for that. That one, I guess was very funny.

3267
02:55:16,040 --> 02:55:18,640
Speaker 1: Um oh, Atlanta, I think took Desmond ridding. You know,

3268
02:55:18,640 --> 02:55:19,800
Speaker 1: it's bad when you're trying to do a bit and

3269
02:55:19,879 --> 02:55:22,520
Speaker 1: everyone's like, is he okay? Is this is this a joke?

3270
02:55:22,640 --> 02:55:26,440
Speaker 1: Right now? What's going on? Let's say? Baker writes in

3271
02:55:26,840 --> 02:55:29,720
Speaker 1: from uval Texas. I think a lot of people are

3272
02:55:29,760 --> 02:55:33,000
Speaker 1: looking at this draft wrong. We're seeing people say things

3273
02:55:33,080 --> 02:55:35,120
Speaker 1: like there was an eighty four percent chance this guy

3274
02:55:35,240 --> 02:55:37,120
Speaker 1: was going to be available in the mid third or

3275
02:55:37,160 --> 02:55:39,720
Speaker 1: fourth round. I think if you look at analytics like

3276
02:55:39,840 --> 02:55:42,800
Speaker 1: that and trust them, you can lose the guy you're after,

3277
02:55:42,920 --> 02:55:46,080
Speaker 1: because none of these draft experts know what all thirty

3278
02:55:46,120 --> 02:55:49,080
Speaker 1: two teams are thinking. Strange could have gone anywhere in

3279
02:55:49,160 --> 02:55:52,360
Speaker 1: the twenty to eighty range. Bill Gutt is guy. I

3280
02:55:52,520 --> 02:55:55,400
Speaker 1: like having the fifth year option on Strange and avoiding

3281
02:55:55,440 --> 02:55:59,199
Speaker 1: another Joe Tuney situation. Same thing with Thornton Bill Gutt,

3282
02:55:59,240 --> 02:56:01,640
Speaker 1: who he wanted and traded up to do so. I

3283
02:56:01,800 --> 02:56:04,960
Speaker 1: see the twenty twenty season as pushing the reset button

3284
02:56:05,000 --> 02:56:07,160
Speaker 1: on the Pagets. I think he meant twenty twenty two.

3285
02:56:07,720 --> 02:56:09,879
Speaker 1: Uh it marked Oh oh no, he does mean twenty

3286
02:56:10,040 --> 02:56:12,280
Speaker 1: just having the fifth year, avoid the Joe Tuney situation.

3287
02:56:12,800 --> 02:56:15,720
Speaker 1: Just let me finish. I see the twenty twenty season

3288
02:56:15,840 --> 02:56:18,440
Speaker 1: as pushing the reset button on the Patriots. It marked

3289
02:56:18,480 --> 02:56:22,440
Speaker 1: the beginning of a long but necessary rebel. We did

3290
02:56:22,520 --> 02:56:24,720
Speaker 1: well in the last year's draft and have yet to

3291
02:56:24,760 --> 02:56:27,480
Speaker 1: see what some of the linebackers can do and in

3292
02:56:27,600 --> 02:56:30,360
Speaker 1: free agency. And Bill Belichick is still the greatest coach

3293
02:56:30,400 --> 02:56:35,080
Speaker 1: of all time. Let him rebuild the team his way. Quarterbacks. Finally,

3294
02:56:35,120 --> 02:56:39,840
Speaker 1: another quarterback there it is. You know, Paul, I gotta

3295
02:56:39,840 --> 02:56:41,760
Speaker 1: I gotta give a shout out real quick to me

3296
02:56:42,040 --> 02:56:47,640
Speaker 1: tease mentioned Taekwon Thornton on our draft preview podcast, is

3297
02:56:47,840 --> 02:56:51,400
Speaker 1: letting you know. He did let me know. But I

3298
02:56:51,600 --> 02:56:53,440
Speaker 1: but I you know, he was the new guy. We

3299
02:56:53,480 --> 02:56:55,440
Speaker 1: brought him in and he was right on the pick.

3300
02:56:55,480 --> 02:57:02,400
Speaker 1: So how about that job tease? Oh oh what's I

3301
02:57:02,520 --> 02:57:05,840
Speaker 1: just realized something him. I'll tell you off. Okay. Uh,

3302
02:57:06,280 --> 02:57:10,039
Speaker 1: Caesar in Kansas City will get the last word, he says.

3303
02:57:10,360 --> 02:57:13,760
Speaker 1: Every year, casual fans and media members project and analyze

3304
02:57:13,800 --> 02:57:17,600
Speaker 1: the draft. Every year, there are overreactions and criticism before

3305
02:57:17,720 --> 02:57:20,760
Speaker 1: guys even play a snap. I admit I wasn't a

3306
02:57:20,840 --> 02:57:23,240
Speaker 1: fan of either of the first picks because in my

3307
02:57:23,400 --> 02:57:26,640
Speaker 1: mind there were better options. That said, this draft has

3308
02:57:26,720 --> 02:57:29,800
Speaker 1: reminded me of something very important. Most of us don't

3309
02:57:29,879 --> 02:57:33,800
Speaker 1: know blank about the draft, myself and just about everyone else,

3310
02:57:33,800 --> 02:57:36,800
Speaker 1: said Nacoby Dean going round one yet he's still available

3311
02:57:36,879 --> 02:57:39,760
Speaker 1: around three. Just goes to show I'm not an expert.

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02:57:40,120 --> 02:57:42,840
Speaker 1: None of us are. Nope, even the ones that were.

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02:57:43,879 --> 02:57:47,040
Speaker 1: But that's not a good example. Like Cole Strange is

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02:57:47,080 --> 02:57:49,120
Speaker 1: a good example. No one had him in the first round.

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02:57:49,120 --> 02:57:52,480
Speaker 1: He went in the first round. Nacobe Dean is clearly

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02:57:53,480 --> 02:57:57,240
Speaker 1: every team hasn't taken him. Yeah, well, so the reports

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02:57:57,240 --> 02:58:00,320
Speaker 1: about his medicals have to be accurate, right, Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: I did see a report from PFF that he refused

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02:58:04,240 --> 02:58:08,440
Speaker 1: shoulder Yeah okay, yeah, and that was part of the

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02:58:09,040 --> 02:58:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, the Bereer thing earlier that I read. But like, yeah,

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02:58:14,480 --> 02:58:18,280
Speaker 1: when we don't have all the medical information, But to me,

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02:58:18,640 --> 02:58:21,440
Speaker 1: when you think a guy is a first round value,

3323
02:58:21,680 --> 02:58:24,440
Speaker 1: like you watched I watched Mike Deso play and I

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02:58:24,560 --> 02:58:27,120
Speaker 1: think he is a first round player. I disagree, and

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02:58:27,200 --> 02:58:29,320
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with him and he gets taken in

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02:58:29,360 --> 02:58:31,960
Speaker 1: the fourth rust. That's an example of not knowing what

3327
02:58:32,080 --> 02:58:34,640
Speaker 1: you're you're talking about. Let me, well, it's too bad,

3328
02:58:34,640 --> 02:58:36,119
Speaker 1: we're coming to the end. But why do you think

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02:58:36,200 --> 02:58:39,120
Speaker 1: like the Nakobe Dean info didn't like that didn't come

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02:58:39,160 --> 02:58:42,720
Speaker 1: out before. Yeah, that's weird because that happens, not every year,

3331
02:58:42,800 --> 02:58:46,840
Speaker 1: but frequently a lot of times it happens to the opposite. Yeah,

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02:58:47,080 --> 02:58:52,200
Speaker 1: like guys leak medical information together to try to try

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02:58:52,240 --> 02:58:54,240
Speaker 1: to get him right. But in this case, I think

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02:58:54,320 --> 02:58:56,959
Speaker 1: they had the info, but they didn't want any Let

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02:58:57,040 --> 02:58:59,880
Speaker 1: it out, maybe because they take them, you know, let

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02:59:00,080 --> 02:59:02,480
Speaker 1: the other team, which I think is say, but it

3337
02:59:02,560 --> 02:59:05,000
Speaker 1: turns out that they all have the info, you know.

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Speaker 1: All right, listen, that's gonna be it for this edition

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02:59:08,200 --> 02:59:11,440
Speaker 1: of Patriots Unfiltered. Patriots have a couple more picks later

3340
02:59:11,520 --> 02:59:14,160
Speaker 1: in the night. We'll have all that info on Patriots

3341
02:59:14,200 --> 02:59:16,480
Speaker 1: dot com as soon as we get it, and then,

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02:59:16,520 --> 02:59:19,840
Speaker 1: of course tomorrow we'll be back on air at two o'clock,

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02:59:20,760 --> 02:59:24,959
Speaker 1: same BAT channel. So until then, have a good night,

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02:59:25,240 --> 02:59:30,200
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3345
02:59:30,240 --> 02:59:33,800
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