1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've joked about like going to Ireland again and 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: like using my citizenship and getting out, but I would 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: never do that because the fight goes on. You can't 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: just give up because someone like Trump gets in there. 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: You have to make his presidency hell or his leadership 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: hell every single day. And cause you know, is quoted 7 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party some good trouble. I think that's 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: where I see myself and a lot of other young 9 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: folks in the political system, where it's like, you know, 10 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: it's not we have to approach a possible Trump victory 11 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: with yeah, this is really bad and a lot of 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: bad can happen from this, but it doesn't mean we 13 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: give up, and it's not the end of the world. 14 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: We have to keep fighting for what's right and for 15 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: what we believe in, and I hope to just be 16 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: part of that in whatever form that takes. 17 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: Very pleased to be joined on this episode of The 18 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: Warning by Harry Sisson. 19 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: Welcome Harry, Thank you for having me on. It's good 20 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 3: to be with you. 21 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk about how you see the world, 22 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: which is different, and then how all people your age 23 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:07,279 Speaker 2: to either world rich I'm sure when you do media 24 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: appearances right. You get asked a lot to answer questions 25 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: through the prism of spokesperson for the generals. But let 26 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: me ask you this to start off. What attracted you 27 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: towards being engaged in politics. 28 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: It all kind of surrounded the twenty sixteen election. I 29 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: was like, you know, fifteen at the time, and I 30 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: was seeing how dangerous Trump is, how dangerous his rhetoric was, 31 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: and how that stuff really matters. 32 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to stop you. Let me dangerous. You're fifteen, Yeah, 33 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: talk to me about the word dangerous. Where did you 34 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: grow up? 35 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: So I was living in Ireland at the time. I 36 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: was like, I grew up in pretty much Dublin. I 37 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: was there from maybe like six years old onwards until 38 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: I left when I was fifteen back to the United States. 39 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: But I was born in Singapore, so I've kind of 40 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: been all over the world. But I mean dangerous in 41 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: the sense that this guy was extremely hateful, the way 42 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: he bullies people, the way he targets minorities. You know, 43 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: even me at fifteen years old can look at that 44 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: and look at the people impacted and be like this, 45 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, this is a This is a man who 46 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: poses a threat to everybody. Doesn't matter who you are, 47 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: what your background is. He poses a threat to everybody, 48 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: our country as a whole. And you know, looking back 49 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: on it, it wasn't even the beginning of the Trump's 50 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: terror in his reign. 51 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 3: There's so much more later that happened that. 52 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: You know, as we know with January sixth, that the 53 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: twenty twenty election, all these the criminal charges against him, 54 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: like the twenty sixteen was just the beginning. 55 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: I want to stay in this space with you, so 56 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 2: I'm genuinely curious about it, and I talk about it. 57 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 2: I write about it a lot of time. This is 58 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: the story of Winston Churchill, for example, in the nineteen thirties. 59 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: He later talked about the Second World War as being 60 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 2: appropriately named. In his view, it could have been named 61 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 2: the unnecessary War because of the appeasements, right, he saw 62 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: the danger coming. So there are people today who look 63 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: at Trump and see no danger. So you're fifteen, you 64 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: are outside of the country. You hear what he says, 65 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: and your instinct when you hear it is that it's wrong. 66 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: But it being wrong or even malicious is different than 67 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 2: it being dangerous or are those things the same? In 68 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: your I think that when emotional understanding of what that 69 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: word means, intellectual understanding of what it means. But I 70 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: want you to think deeper about dangerous. He struck you 71 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: as dangerous, and in what sense that he could hurt 72 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: people's feelings with name calling, he could do something worse. 73 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: You had an understanding at fifteen of a historical sensibility 74 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: that a lot of United States senators apparently don't have. 75 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to get you to talk a 76 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 2: little bit more deeply about. 77 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, so to your question about you know, malicious being 78 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: different than dangerous in many cases, yes, but when you're 79 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: running to be the president of the United States, words matter. 80 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: So when you're demonizing certain groups, not only is that malicious, 81 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: but it is dangerous because those groups will now be 82 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: targeted by your party, by your followers, all the way 83 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: across from the right spectrum. 84 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: So that's what I'm saying. 85 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: That's what I mean when I'm saying it's dangerous because 86 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: he had such a platform and such an influence, and 87 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: we saw it take place. We saw, you know, when 88 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: he got into office, the Muslim ban, hate crimes spiked 89 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: under Trump's presidency. I would argue that was directly tied 90 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: to him. And his rhetoric, And so at fifteen years old, 91 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: looking at this man demonized Muslims, Hispanics, women, you could 92 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: see it from a mile away that not only is 93 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: it just malicious and wrong and it's a bad way 94 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: to talk about somebody, but it is dangerous. It posed 95 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: a threat to those specific groups he talked about. But 96 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: as we see now to the broader country. 97 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: What do you think is broken in the society that 98 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 2: overwhelmingly the political leadership of one of the two parties 99 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: in the country. Simultaneous to your epiphany about the danger 100 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: and having a deep understanding about it, says nothing. 101 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: Here I could talk about you know, what's broken? For 102 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,679 Speaker 1: so long. I think a variety of things are broken 103 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: in the United States, but I think fundamentally right now, 104 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: if I had to put it on one thing, one institution, 105 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: I fundamentally believe that the Republican Party is broken. They're leaders, 106 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: a lot of their followers, members of Congress, candidates. They're 107 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: all broken in the sense that they no longer put 108 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: the country and the people first. They're putting themselves, their 109 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: interests and Donald Trump first. And when you have a 110 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,239 Speaker 1: political party who is no longer putting policy and actually 111 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: getting stuff done at the forefront of their minds and 112 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: instead loyalty to one man. That is a problem, and 113 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: that affects the entire country. It affects our government, our 114 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: institutions in the government, even agencies of which are not 115 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,119 Speaker 1: political inherently. You see this with the targets on the FBI, 116 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: the DJ whatever it might be. If I had to 117 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: put it on one thing, I would put it there. 118 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: And it's their own doing, and they continue to do 119 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: it regardless of the warning signs, regardless of the historical precedent. 120 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of parallels, not exacts, 121 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: but parallels between now and kind of the rise of 122 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: fascism in nineteen forties Europe. 123 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: There's a lot, yeah, a lot of parallels, a lot 124 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: of parallels. Who are the three political leaders that have 125 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: inspired you thus far your life? 126 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: That's a great question, I think think, I mean, at 127 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: least elected leaders. I think I'd have to go with 128 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: Speaker Pelosi, President Obama, and President Biden, all for different reasons. 129 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Speaker Pelosi has such a long 130 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: and storied career fighting as specifically back against in her 131 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: early career the sexism and being the Speaker of the 132 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: House and achieving so much. President Obama, I just think 133 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: he's such an incredibly smart man who thinks deeply about 134 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: the issues and you know, again fought back against his 135 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: own stereotypes in his own right. You know, started in 136 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: many ways by Trump with the Birther movement or just 137 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: general racism that was bred from the Tea Party. But 138 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: you know, at least now today, I think President Biden 139 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: is such an inspiration, not just because of his politics, 140 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: but because of who he is. I think that you know, 141 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: being a young senator and having your wife and child 142 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: die in a car crash and talking and he's spoken 143 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: extensively about the depression he felt and being able to 144 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: go on and serve your country and you know, go 145 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: back and forth from Delaware every day to make sure 146 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: that he's tucking his kids in bed at night and 147 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: waking up and making them breakfast before heading off to DC, 148 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 1: and then continuing to serve. Becoming vice president, having your 149 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: son die to brain cancer, and continuing to feel a 150 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: call to action, a call to service, and answering that 151 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: call and stepping up in you know, one of the 152 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: most pivotal elections in modern American history, maybe in American 153 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: history is remarkable, and I agree with his politics, but 154 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: him as a man in the way I've seen him 155 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: treat people is very inspiring. I think he is kind 156 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: of the leader i'd like to see in this country 157 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: more often. 158 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: When you look at that quality of fortitude, do you 159 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 2: see that anywhere else? 160 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that there's a lot of 161 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: leaders in the Democratic Party, members of Congress. 162 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 3: But even so, you know, people on the ground. 163 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: It's not just the elected officials who make the party 164 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: and make the country move forward. 165 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 3: It's the people who are going dodor door. 166 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: It's the campaign staff who are working behind the scenes 167 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: and doing these grueling hours, especially during election season. 168 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: There's a lot of fortitude to go around. 169 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: It's it's there's certainly you can see it in individuals, 170 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: but I'm not sure if it's just like an individual 171 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: characteristic when we're talking about politics. I think it can 172 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: be applied to a variety of people and kind of 173 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: movements within a party. And I think you're seeing that, 174 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, right now, in the Democratic Party and politics 175 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: generally with women rising to the moment, with you know, 176 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: the attacks on their bodies, or even just rising to 177 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: the attacks on democracy, standing up and saying, hey, you know, 178 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: this does not quote unquote a sexy issue. You know, 179 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: it's not like a it's not like an economy issue, 180 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: which historically has been very easy to run on and 181 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: very successful. But it is an important issue. We have 182 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: to stand up for it and not shy away from 183 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: calling it out. So I think there's a lot to 184 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: go around. 185 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 2: Stepping outside of the contemporary. Two are three people that 186 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: you find and inspiring in history, politics, society, the culture 187 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 2: that have meaning to you in the in the current sense. 188 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like. 189 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 3: FDR. 190 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: You know, I just his presidency as a whole, with 191 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: the New Deal and then also simultaneously with World War Two, 192 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: kind of just a historic presidency. I think someone who's 193 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: also very inspiring to me is Martin Luther King. You know, 194 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: studied his speeches extensively, and the March on Washington is 195 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: just such a powerful event. And when you look back 196 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: on the entire speech and that entire day of hundreds 197 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: of thousands of people being in DC, you know that 198 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: it's not all he's done, but it's kind of like 199 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: a summary of the impact he had on the country. 200 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: And I also think, like Ruth Bader Ginsburg to me 201 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: from a legal perspective. She had some comments and rulings 202 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: in her career that I disagreed with, but overall, she 203 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: you know, pioneered this movement of women's women's rights, which 204 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: had started long before her with women's suffrage and just 205 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: general equality and society. But having that on the Supreme Court, 206 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: and her not being the first woman, but having that 207 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: on the Supreme Court a very notable legal voice, is 208 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: remarkable to me. And you know, I wish she were 209 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: still around on the court. 210 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: Let's get into that. I don't think you mean that interesting, right, 211 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 2: she would be how old? 212 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: I mean I was more saying it aside from the 213 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: age like I wish she was. I wish her her 214 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: embodiment on the court was still there. She know she 215 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: would be old. I don't have no idea what age 216 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: she would be now, But you know, so I was. 217 00:12:54,559 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: I was talking to my friend James Carvell, who's who's 218 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 2: beside himself along with eighty percent of the country on 219 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: the choice at hand, right, that don't like it, and 220 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 2: just put that, put that in the box. But what 221 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: James says, right, he's a disbelief on he he was 222 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: I was sixteen in nineteen sixty. When John Kennedy came, 223 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 2: right inspire me. It's like the equivalent Biden's the equivalent 224 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty. If Al Smith came, who is the 225 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 2: nominee in nineteen twenty eight? He was born in eighteen 226 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: seventy four, And I go John Kennedy was so inspired 227 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 2: that he inspired Dick Cheney. Right, he was inspiring people 228 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: who completely disagreed with everything he said. Right, he was. 229 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: He's right about the service, he's right about being involved. 230 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 2: He was. He was intent essen in that way, like 231 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 2: drawing people into this. So all of these issues that 232 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: you have a passion for, right and Actuary say, tremendous 233 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: chance that you will live into the early years of 234 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: the twenty second century. Ruth Bader Ginsburg spends her whole 235 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 2: life fighting an advocate, rising to be a Supreme Court justice. 236 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 3: But she. 237 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: And I don't there's no other way to say. It 238 00:14:51,960 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: lacks a humility, a restraint, wisdom that says everybody has 239 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: to hang it up. And so there's a consequence for 240 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: Ruth Vader Ginsburg not doing that that impacts you profoundly. 241 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 2: And I just wonder how you think about that and 242 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: how you think about it in the context of the 243 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: president who you really admire. I am raised about this 244 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: as a generation exert right, people my age are raised 245 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: about it. We get together. It doesn't matter what party 246 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: you're in. It drives us nuts. You would think, right, 247 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: it would matter more to a generation behind us, intuitively, 248 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: but I'm not sure that's the case. It may matter 249 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: a lot less. And I'd just love to hear you 250 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 2: talk and react to what I just said and what 251 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: you think about that. Right when you know, are you 252 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: excited right for the switchback where we see some younger 253 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: people in this so. 254 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: You know the the polls would agree with you, you 255 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: know of this age issue specifically in the election, driving 256 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: people crazy. Now to talk about Ruth Bader Ginsburg on 257 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: the last comment I'll make is that, yeah, you know, 258 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: her not stepping down when many people were asking her to, 259 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: even President Obama was a poor decision making. 260 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 3: And hindsight is twenty twenty. 261 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: I really wish that, in hindsight, of course, that she 262 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: would have stepped down, we would have been able to 263 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: fill that seat hopefully. You know, Republicans are ify on that, 264 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: and you know, maybe the court, maybe the country would 265 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: look different today, but that's not the case. And I 266 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: guess when I talk about admiring Ruth Bader Ginsberg, it's 267 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: more of you know, how she consistently responded to these 268 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: conservative justices during arguments. She was very firm with them, 269 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: and I think let little get by her and kind 270 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: of stood up for what's right in many of these 271 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: many of these cases. But you're right, it is a 272 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: unfortunate ending to a storied career. But when it comes 273 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: to Biden and the age, I have no problem, and 274 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: I mean that I have no problem. I'm twenty one, 275 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: he's like sixty. 276 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 3: Years older than me. 277 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: I have no problem with him running and being the 278 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: next president United States and serving out his eight years 279 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons. 280 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: Imagine Trump wents Trump is a lot. 281 00:17:59,280 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 3: Yeah forbid. 282 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it's January twenty ath twenty twenty five. Hailed 283 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: to the Chief, has just played, salute has gone off. 284 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 2: He's back. He's back. Democracy doesn't get turned off in 285 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 2: the country like a light switch. Yeah, it's not going 286 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 2: to disappear. The Gestapo won't. Won't won't materialize in your 287 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 2: in your living room. Which is not to say that 288 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 2: anybody out there with a brain shouldn't be completely prepared 289 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 2: for lots of catastrophic events right to happen. But how 290 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: do you see that? How do you think about it? 291 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: How do your friends think about it? Do you have 292 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of friends that are like, whatever, 293 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 2: you know, I'm working you know for the bank, I'm 294 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 2: working here, I'm doing it. Doesn't you know they're both 295 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: old guys. They're like, take take me inside your group, 296 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: your friend circle, Ray, not just the politics that you 297 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 2: believe in? About that this guy wins. 298 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so I think that, like, my way 299 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: of thinking about it is of course, very much different 300 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: than you know, my average my average friend, as I mentioned, like, 301 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: the topic of democracy is not a flashy one. It's 302 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: not one that I encounter a lot among my generation, 303 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: those of which we are not involved. If you're even 304 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: slightly involved in politics, you know, whatever age you are, 305 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: you know about it. You know the threats that it poses, 306 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: you know the historical precedent that makes this so scary. 307 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: So my average friend is not really in tune to 308 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: the democracy question. But and I kind of try to 309 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: explain to them, like to respond to your question of 310 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: how do I think about it? It's like, yeah, democracy 311 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: is not going to be destroyed. The minute that Donald 312 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: Trump is sworn in, he walks back to the White 313 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: House and you can't ever vote again. 314 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: No, it's going to be slow. 315 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: And as I was reading this book recently called Democracy 316 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: Awakening by Heather Cox Richardson, and she talks about how 317 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: most dictators are elected democratically. Hitler was elected democratically, and 318 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: then they go in and kind of, you know, attack 319 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: the institutions and scrape away at them. And that's what 320 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: Trump did for four years, and that's what he's going 321 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: to continue to do. We already hear about it. We 322 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: already hear that he is and him and his ally 323 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: groups are vetting fifty thousand public servants to serve in 324 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: these different agencies, all these three letter. 325 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 3: Agencies, DJFBI, EPA, whatever it is. 326 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: And these people are not the qualification their survey for 327 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: is not whether they're good at the job, whether they'd 328 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: be a good public servants, whether they're loyal to Trump. 329 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: So when you have all these public agencies, a lot 330 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: of them answering to Trump, that's a fundamental institutions and 331 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: institutions that are no longer in the eyes of the people, 332 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: they're in the eyes of Donald Trump. Then you have 333 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: Congress where you have these maga lunatics, these Marjorie Taylor Greens, 334 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: who just do his bidding no matter what it is, 335 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 1: what topic it is, they will align with him, no 336 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: matter what. And when you don't have this kind of 337 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 1: you know, departure from the majority party, even when when 338 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: they're doing something wrong, especially that's really bad. And then 339 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: what happens when Clarence Thomas and Samuel Leedo decide they 340 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: want to step down during Donald Trump, So he gets 341 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: two more Supreme Court justices who are young, healthy, and 342 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 1: will stay on the court for the next thirty forty years. 343 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: And on top of that, you know, he appointed dozens 344 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: of judges during his term who were rated unqualified by 345 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: the American Barsssociation, a non partisan group. So when you 346 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: have judges answering to him, members of Congress answering to him, 347 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: these three letter agencies who do his bidding, maybe even 348 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: go after political opponents, that's how democracy crumbles. And it's 349 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: not going to be overnight, but for four years he's 350 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,719 Speaker 1: going to do everything you can to make sure it happens. 351 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 2: Does it frighten you, yes? Yes, that frighten your friends. 352 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: I don't think that a lot of the people I 353 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: talk to really appreciate how close to a reality that 354 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: could be. I say something like that, they think it's 355 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: so far off. They say, it never happens in America. 356 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 2: What frightens you about it? 357 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: You know, the democracy that we help hold deer, whether 358 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: it's a Democrat or Republican, being attacked in that manner 359 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: is a recipe for disaster for the country. There's no 360 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: going back, there's no like just flipping a switch and 361 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: we can get back to the democratic institutions we hold deer. 362 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 1: That hasn't worked in a lot of different countries. It 363 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: took a disastrous event, mass casualty in many cases for 364 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: the people to be like, you know what, I kind 365 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: of want to pick my leaders again. And I don't 366 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: even want to test that in the United States. And 367 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: again I just think, like researching these different dictators in history, 368 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: and as I mentioned earlier, seeing the parallels, I really 369 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: truly fundamentally believe that we are not that far away, 370 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: with the right people elected from being no longer democracy. 371 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: Who knows what we become following that depends on who's 372 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: at the helm, whether it's religious institutions or just Trump himself, 373 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: but we are not that far away in my view, 374 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: and that's pretty scary to me. 375 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 2: Where do you see yourself in that struggle, in that fight, 376 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: let's say he wins. 377 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've joked about like going to Ireland again and 378 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: like using my citizenship and getting out, But I would 379 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: never do that because the fight goes on. You can't 380 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: just give up because some and like Trump gets in there. 381 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: You have to make his presidency hell or his leadership 382 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: hell every single day, and cause, you know, as is 383 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: quoted in the Democratic Party, some good trouble. I think 384 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: that's where I see myself and a lot of other 385 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: young folks in the political system, where it's like. 386 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 3: You know, it's not. 387 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: We have to approach a possible Trump victory with yeah, 388 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: this is really bad and a lot of bad can 389 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: happen from this, But it doesn't mean we give up, 390 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: and it's not the end of the world. We have 391 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: to keep fighting for what's right and for what we 392 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: believe in, and I hope to just be part of 393 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: that in whatever form that takes. 394 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 2: I have. 395 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to say where the country will 396 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: be in a year from now. That could be working 397 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: in on campaigns, working for members of Congress. I don't 398 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: know what that looks like, but hopefully it's it's very 399 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: much still involved. 400 00:24:50,200 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: You have a lot of TikTok followers. One talk a 401 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 2: pat TikTok. 402 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, what about it? But you know, not in my view, 403 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: not in my view at least. I'm always of the 404 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: view that if you know, I see evidence, strong evidence, 405 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: as presented by our intelligence community that says that TikTok 406 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: is a danger, it's a threat, it's currently being used 407 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: to hurt Americans or gather data illegally, then I'm open 408 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: to that. But right now, I've just not seen that evidence. 409 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, trying to specifically target TikTok 410 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: right now is bad policy and bad politics. I think 411 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: if we're concerned about data, as is kind of the 412 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: central question in the TikTok conversation, then let's pass a 413 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: data bill. Let's make sure that all social media companies 414 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: aren't selling our data off to places that we don't 415 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: want them to, or illegally even gathering our data as 416 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: opposed to targeting one app. Because is it okay when 417 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: an American company does it and then sells it abroad? 418 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 3: I don't think so. 419 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 2: What about the idea that this is controlled by the 420 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 2: Chinese Communist Party. You have a hole in your head 421 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 2: if you don't believe that's true. You have an entire 422 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 2: generation who is addicted. Could be a word enthrall to 423 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 2: invested in informed by something controlled by what on any 424 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: moment could become a hostile foreign power, and already is. 425 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 2: If you listen to the rhetoric you know from some 426 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 2: leaders of leaders of both parties, what is the response. 427 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: To that again, Like, you know, there's this conversation that 428 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: you know, the CCP controls it and they're altering it. 429 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: I would love to just see some evidence for that claim. 430 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: That's where I'm at. I mean again, I'm not one 431 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: who will be blind, and you know I'm not maga. 432 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: I won't just you know, I like this thing, so 433 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: I no matter what it does wrong, I will I 434 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: like it no matter what. If there is actual evidence 435 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: and verifiable evidence that TikTok is being controlled by the 436 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: CCP and that they're specifically altering the algorithm to get 437 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: people addicted or to push narratives that they want to push, 438 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: I'm there. 439 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 3: Let's talk. 440 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: Let's have that conversation. Let's get either a sale or 441 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: a ban, But right now, I don't. I just don't 442 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: see it. And I think that there are legal problems 443 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: as well, you know, First Amendment concerns that might be 444 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: risen with a with a possible ban, and I'm sure 445 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna see litigation in that kind of that area. 446 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 3: But yeah, if if people out there, if the. 447 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: Intelligence agencies want to, you know, publish a report where 448 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: they have all their findings on how it's being controlled, 449 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: I'll read it front to front to back. 450 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 2: When you when you kind of look down the road 451 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 2: into the future with the tech companies and you think about, 452 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 2: for example, Zuckerberg and Meta and the glasses or the 453 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 2: new and the new oh glasses, is that something that 454 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 2: excites you were to have this as a work tool, yeah, 455 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 2: revaxation tool or are you like, oh man, no, no bad. 456 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm on kind of both sides. I think like 457 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: it could be good for you know, getting as you mentioned, 458 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: like work done. I even envision a future where you know, 459 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: surgeons can have certain goggles on and they can get 460 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: information about the surgeries they're performing. I think that's reasonable. 461 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: I think you're not that far away. But then the 462 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: negative is like, are we gonna in ten years have 463 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: everybody walking down the street with a headset on and 464 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: looking ridiculous, and it kind of and you know, never 465 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: being able to unplug because is it part of day 466 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: to day life as our phones are now, I don't know. 467 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: It excites me and it makes me a little worried, 468 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: not because I think there's gonna be like robots taking 469 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: over the world, but I just wonder what society looks 470 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: like with this rapid development in twenty years. 471 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 2: You talked about the fact that you've had some expatriate 472 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 2: experiences Ireland, saying a poor talk about that and it's 473 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: impact on you at age twenty one, how you think 474 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 2: it helps you see your country a bit differently from 475 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 2: I think both people your age, but also also also 476 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 2: people probably double your age. 477 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always said I've I've been incredibly thankful and 478 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: grateful for growing up abroad because it really shaped who 479 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: I am today. It subjected to me to different cultures, communities, people, 480 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: many people I would have never met in my entire life, 481 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,719 Speaker 1: who just you know, live in a different way than 482 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: I do, see the world differently than I do, and 483 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: growing up with people of again, you know, different backgrounds, 484 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: different races, different origins, really gives you a different perspective 485 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: and kind of growing up in Ireland, I was very independent. 486 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: I was like walking the streets of Dublin at thirteen, 487 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: because that's just kind of the culture of the city 488 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: and getting that experience so young, that independence and that 489 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: sort of Irish culture of being on your own a 490 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: little bit in that sense, I value it. I think 491 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: it matured me quicker than you know, if I were 492 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: growing up in the United States and like your typical 493 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: suburban neighborhood, and then when I came to the United States, 494 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: I had this massive culture shock. It was massive culture 495 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: shock because it's just different. It's just like I think, 496 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: like individual communities in the United States, these neighborhoods, where 497 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: like in the suburbs of big. 498 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 3: City are very clique. They are. 499 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: It's of course comparing the suburbs to the city, but 500 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: they have entirely different interests than those folks in Ireland. 501 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: You know, I was waking up every day, like wondering 502 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: what the soccer scores were. They were talking to me 503 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: about the NFL, which I hadn't really watched until I 504 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: really got ingrained in American culture. 505 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 3: So it's just different. It's just different. 506 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: And you would have never if I would have grown 507 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: up in the United States, born here, and raised here, 508 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: I would have never been experienced or been subjected to 509 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: these cultures and these people. 510 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 3: But I was, and you know, I'm just thankful for 511 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 3: that to this day. 512 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 2: When you look at this campaign right now. I had 513 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 2: a conversation with Katie core and one of the one 514 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 2: of the strategic realities is if you're as if you're 515 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 2: running the campaign and you're you're in the room and 516 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 2: we're and we're having the meeting, and and you're listening 517 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: to people talk, and as you go through life, and 518 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 2: you'll be in these meetings and you'll have to learn 519 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 2: the quality of restraint, right as as as as people 520 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 2: speak and lay out a theory of the case that 521 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 2: that you think is a suicide charge. And so the 522 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 2: point that Katie Kork was making is that if you 523 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 2: withhold access right, there's a commodity, right, with less of 524 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 2: the access does what with the price of the access right? 525 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 2: It raises the stakes, right. Yeah. H And by the way, 526 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: you don't you don't have to be a particle physicist 527 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 2: to do this out. 528 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 3: Right, You don't have to be solving Einstein's equations. 529 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: Right, this is this is you know, walk around and 530 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 2: walk around in Dublin at age. You're a team by yourself. 531 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 2: You will you will, you will come to some certain 532 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 2: inimical conclusions right about human nature, basic basic, basic physics. 533 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 2: I think that he needs to be much more present. 534 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 2: He needs to walk out somewhere at ten in the morning. 535 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 2: All he has to say is Trump reminds me of 536 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 2: a guy, this dad, nude that my dad knew down 537 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 2: to the bar. Let me tell you the story. He 538 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 2: used to be able to deliver a joke in the morning, 539 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: a serious point in the afternoon, and a summary in 540 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 2: the early evening. That will be an organizing coagulant, a 541 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: convening authority for the realm of sanity, if you will, 542 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 2: Which is the field on which we have to run 543 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 2: this campaign. What what do you think about the cloistered strategy, 544 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 2: about the Hey we got this James Carvell, James car 545 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 2: like James Carvell loves the Democratic Party like it's a 546 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 2: child run to the great Democrats in history. He loves it, Yeah, 547 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 2: loves it. And you know somebody who's asked it, What 548 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 2: would you say to James Carville if you're in the campaign, 549 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 2: I said I would listen to James. I would listen 550 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 2: to James, Right. So what do you think, because people, 551 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 2: I am worried this idea that hey, you don't have 552 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 2: to debate Trump is beneath his dignity. No way, this 553 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 2: is this is we live this. There's a reason Yellowstone 554 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 2: Right is iconic in the culture. There's a reason we 555 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 2: have Westerns. There's going to be a showdown on the 556 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 2: debate stage. This is America, yea. And so I just 557 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 2: wonder how you see the engagement to fight, because the 558 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 2: strategy is deeply deficient to me. 559 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, So to start, I agree, I'm not a fan 560 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: of the kind of conservative keep them away kind of 561 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,479 Speaker 1: strategy of which you know, we're getting reports that maybe 562 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: his his people close to him agree with, but he 563 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: himself does not. I kind of look at the twenty 564 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: twenty four election as if you're fighting Mike Tyson, right, 565 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: and the winner of that fight, the boxing match, gets 566 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,240 Speaker 1: to take the democracy. Now, if you're fighting Mike Tyson, 567 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: do you think it's an effective strategy? Just like put 568 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: up your guard the entire time and hope to not 569 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: get hit. No, you know you're gonna get hit. It's 570 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: Mike Tyson, right. You know you're gonna get hit. He's 571 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: gonna hit you with something that's gonna hurt. So you 572 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: got to fight back. You gotta be willing to throw 573 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: some punches and get a little dirty here and there 574 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: and defend yourself, but also go on the offensive. 575 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 3: And right now, I. 576 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: View the Biden campaign at no necessarily fault of anyone individual, 577 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: as a little to putting their guard up and hoping 578 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: that they can get through and win by putting their 579 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,439 Speaker 1: guard up. You gotta go on the offensive. You gotta 580 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: get him out there. His State of the Union was fantastic. 581 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: His following appearances and swing states has been fantastic. And 582 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: when you let Joe be Joe, you win. He was 583 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,919 Speaker 1: Joe in twenty twenty. He got out there and talked 584 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: to people individually. I think it's a big part of 585 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,879 Speaker 1: why he won the election. You saw his compact on 586 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: display every single interaction, and that resonates with people, not 587 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: only on an individual level with the person you're talking to, 588 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: but also it's the age of social media. These clips 589 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: go everywhere. You're not just touching the heart of one 590 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: You're touching the heart of millions. So let job Joe. 591 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: Get him out there, and as you mentioned, hit he's 592 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: a funny guy. Let him joke about Trump. He's gonna 593 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: gaff he does so in his career. 594 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 3: We'll deal with that later. 595 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: Get him out there, let him hit Trump as he 596 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: has in these recent fun raisers, and as you mentioned, 597 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: allow him to have these serious conversation later at night, 598 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: these bigger summ reason later at night, the general conversation 599 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: in the afternoon, to have these jokes in the morning. 600 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: I love the way you put it. I think that's 601 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 1: a great strategy. So yes, I agree. 602 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 2: Are you more optimistic or pessimistic over the next ten years. 603 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,280 Speaker 1: I think it's largely dependent on what happens in twenty 604 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: twenty four, But I think at this moment time, right now, 605 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: I'm far more optimistic than pessimistic. And maybe I'm delusional. 606 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: I acknowledge that. But maybe maybe I'm delusional, maybe I'm 607 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: out of my mind, but I'm you know, looking at 608 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: my generation being engaged for the most part, standing up 609 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:21,399 Speaker 1: for what's right and putting aside differences to pursue good 610 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: over evil. That gives me a lot of hope, and 611 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 1: it's also really encouraging to see even folks in older 612 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: generations getting involved as well and supporting younger and vice versa, 613 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: because it's really going to take all of us. It's 614 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: not going to take one generation, one demographic. It's really 615 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: not only twenty twenty four and beyond. It's going to 616 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,479 Speaker 1: take all of us to keep this country on track 617 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: and keep fighting for good. So that alone makes me 618 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,399 Speaker 1: very optimistic. But then again, that could come crumbling down 619 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: in nine months. 620 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 2: So last question, Yeah, what is what is the biggest 621 00:38:52,400 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 2: misconception about your generation that you hear politicians stereod type 622 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 2: you with. 623 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 1: I There's so many, so many, hard to pick one, 624 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: but I think that, specifically from the conservative side of 625 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: the aisle, a lot of them think we're stupid. They 626 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: think we're just like these dancing gen zers on TikTok 627 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: who come up with these silly trends like eating tide 628 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: pods and things of that in nature, you know. And 629 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just always so baffled by that belief 630 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: because I talked to so many young people who are 631 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: just mind blowingly smart, light years ahead of me, so 632 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: much smarter than me, and I learned from them every 633 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: single day, and they are again people from all walks 634 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: of life. They're the person studying to be a doctor 635 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: and then the person who's in trade school to be 636 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: a plumber. I just hear it from people across the 637 00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: entire country, and again different backgrounds, and you know, of course, 638 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: there are some exceptions to every rule. There are people 639 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,319 Speaker 1: in my generation who do eat typebots, but that's not 640 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 1: all of us. And a lot of people are very 641 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: informed and very involved and very smart. What about on 642 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: the left, on the left in terms of what quality, smart, moral. 643 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 2: In terms of the biggest misconception? 644 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: Okay, you know, I think we're seeing this right now, 645 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: especially with everything that's happening in the Middle East. But 646 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: there is this belief that I strongly disagree with that 647 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,919 Speaker 1: my generation is like really far left. You know, young 648 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: people in the Democratic Party who are in politics are 649 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: very far left, or some people in the right describe 650 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: them as communist socialists, whatever buzzword they're using that day. 651 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,399 Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of people who are 652 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: and a lot of people who tend to maybe go 653 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,839 Speaker 1: farther to the left than your average person. But your 654 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 1: average American I'm talking to is my age who's just like, yeah, 655 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: I just want to be able to control my own body. 656 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I want access to medicine. 657 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I don't want my climate or my 658 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: earth to be on fire in one hundred years because 659 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: of climate change. They're not thinking about like, you know, 660 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: we got to arm the proletariat and take over the 661 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: rich class, you know all this. No, it's like I 662 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 1: think that's the big biggest misconception about young people in 663 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,320 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. 664 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 2: Great place to leave it. Harry Sison does not want 665 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 2: to arm the proletariat. You heard it here on the 666 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 2: Warning first, because I think that hopefully someday his name 667 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 2: will be on a ballot and a serious way I 668 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 2: mean this. You can't help but feel optimistic if you 669 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,760 Speaker 2: get to spend forty five minutes to an hour talking 670 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 2: to you real pleasure Avenue on the Warning. 671 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: Well, likewise, man, you're you blow me away. You're very smart, 672 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: and I appreciate the opportunity and hope we chat in 673 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,399 Speaker 1: the future at some point, you bet. 674 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 2: Thank you, Harry, Thank you for listening to my political commentary. 675 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,320 Speaker 2: If you like what you heard today, please also consider 676 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 2: subscribing to The Warning daily newsletter on substack.