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Listen to How Men Think on the 30 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get 31 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: your podcasts. At around ten thirty pm on a crowd 32 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: of more than a thousand people gathered in North Portland's 33 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: Peninsula Park and marched downtown to the Justice Center, headquarters 34 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: of the Portland Police Bureau. The direct inspiration for the 35 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: march were the murders of George Floyd and Brianna Taylor. 36 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: Many in attendance also had a strong desire to express 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: solidarity with protesters in Minneapolis. That's what brought Chris Wise, 38 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: volunteer protest medic out into the streets that first night. Initially, 39 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: I came out because as an African American, you know, 40 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: it was that that straw that broke the Camel's back 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: on just like one death too many. We are murdered 42 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: by police and other law enforcement agencies at a rate 43 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: of three to one when compared to the average white American, 44 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: And those numbers get a little funky because you know, 45 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: obviously more white people die a year than black people 46 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: in police related shootings, but there are also you know, 47 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: six times as many white people, ah then black people. Tristan, 48 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: another Black Portlander, didn't go out that night, but he 49 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: watched everything that happened on the live streams. Honestly, like, 50 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 1: my my first um impression was that it probably wasn't 51 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: going to be much, you know what I mean. I 52 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: didn't expect it to blow up the way it did. 53 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: I kind of felt like because I've I've seen it 54 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: happen in the past where you know, there's will be 55 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: some kind of like something happening like nationwide or another 56 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: city in Portland will kind of like you know, show 57 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: up and solidarity for it, and it might become something, 58 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: but usually it's kind of like a one off. So 59 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: that's kind of what I was expecting, and so I 60 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: was pretty surprised to see like how quickly it grew 61 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: and then also how like how the police were responding 62 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: like in like a very tear guys kind of way. 63 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: Mariah is a photo journalist and a lifestyle photographer. She 64 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: was out at Peninsula Park for the very start of 65 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: the march. Was beginning to you know, something that not 66 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: a lot of us new we're going to get into, 67 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, but gosh, I remember being at Peninsula Park 68 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: and it was really great to see everyone there, and like, 69 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: it just reminds me of some uh. I hate that 70 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: it's like a routine thing for us, because it's you know, 71 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: while we're still fighting, and while we've been fighting so strong. 72 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: But you know, when someone gets killed by you know, 73 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: via police brutality, everyone meets up. You know, maybe we 74 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: protest for a few days and like, you know, quote unquote, 75 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: we go back to like normal life. But you know, 76 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: we already haven't been a normal life since it's been 77 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: a pandemic this whole freaking year. But it was really 78 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: beautiful to see all the people and all the signs 79 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: and the speeches. The sidewalks bordering Peninsula Park were filled 80 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: with different slogans and exhortations written in chalk. One of 81 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: the most striking statements was make the moment count As 82 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: it turned out, the city of Portland took that to heart. 83 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: The crowd at Peninsula Park marched nearly five miles to 84 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: downtown Portland. There they merged with a crowd that had 85 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: gathered around the Justice Center. The moment both groups met 86 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: was powerful. You could taste to the energy in the air. 87 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: Portland Black Lives Matter protests had actually started several days 88 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: earlier before that mass gathering on the twenty nine, A 89 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: handful of activists of color had begun occupying the steps 90 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: of the Justice Center immediately after George Floyd's murder. One 91 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: of them was Tracy Molina, an indigenous Portland or better 92 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: known as Kloska. Well. I remember it wasn't not long 93 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: after the George Floyd's story broke. A lot of us 94 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: wanted to do something here, but I think most of 95 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: the regular organizers kept saying wait, you know, let's wait, 96 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: let's wait for this, let's wait for that, and then finally, um, 97 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: then Danielle James, I think she's a pretty prominent black 98 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: activist in this community and sit up against Patriot Prayer 99 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: and Proud Boys and other white supremases for years. Um. 100 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: It was kind of a spark for that you know. 101 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: She was said like, we shouldn't wait in the night. 102 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: Supporter I said, I don't think we should wait either. 103 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: I think we should do something now. And so we 104 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: ended up the seven ten thirty all meeting at I 105 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: and starting to protest there, and then we moved. Um, 106 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: sometime after midnight we moved over to the Justice Center 107 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: and slept on the steps there and planned to to 108 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: occupy it as long as we could. And so we 109 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: stayed there and then um there was only maybe like 110 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: four of us that slept on the steps, and then 111 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: the next day, like at ice, we had about thirty 112 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: or forty people. And then the next day, after we 113 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,679 Speaker 1: stayed on those steps, I would say there was about 114 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: forty or fifty people that showed up in the afternoon 115 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: and they did a direct action or we blocked off 116 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: the streets and in front of the steps of the 117 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: Justice Center, and I think they did it also did 118 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: it die. And that night there was also impromptu direct 119 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: action or so people some young women sat on sat 120 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: in the doorway at the Justice Center and they brought 121 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: riot police out for that, and there was at that 122 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: time there was only about twenty of us and only 123 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: like six people participating in the sit in, but they 124 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: still brought riot police out and they were violently removed. 125 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: That made the news because one of the women, one 126 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: of the women that was hit with the tongue, was 127 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: she was actually pregnant, a black woman. And the only 128 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: way us the way I know that for sure is 129 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: because after she was in the ambulance, she came. I 130 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: don't know if she went to the hospital, but after 131 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: she was in the ambulance, she returned paperwork from the 132 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: and proving that she was pregnant and was, you know, 133 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: showing some of the police officers that were still standing around. 134 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's how the first few days went. And 135 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: then um, then then we we all, um, we're going 136 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: to have a rally at UM in Insula Park. And 137 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: then I read to part of the opening and when 138 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: I was there, more and more people kipt coming, and 139 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: I was surprised. There are so many, I don't know, 140 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: maybe a thousand people that there was a lot, there's 141 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people there. Was surprised, and it just 142 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: kept getting bigger and bigger. The now merged crowd, which 143 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: numbered at least a couple of thousand people, marched back 144 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: to the Justice Center for a few minutes, they stood outside, 145 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: chanting George Floyd's name. The police were nowhere to be seen. 146 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: While most of the crowd stood out in the street, 147 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: A hundred or so people gathered in front of the 148 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: windows of the Justice Center. They started spray painting slogans 149 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: on the glass. A few people peeed on the doorway, 150 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: someone lit a small fire out in front, and then 151 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: quite suddenly one person broke a window. The first broken 152 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: windows set off a frenzy, and soon people were using 153 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: their feet, rocks, and any tools they could find to 154 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: shatter every exposed piece of glass on the building. With 155 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: the windows shattered, protesters ran into the Justice Center, ransacking 156 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: police offices and setting small fires. The Portland police arrived 157 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: a little bit later and began showering the crowd with 158 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: tear gas and flash band grenades. Though no one knew 159 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: it at the time, events had just been set into 160 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: motion that would lead to more than a hundred consecutive 161 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: knights of protests and tear gas. The Portland Uprising had begun. 162 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: We should probably start by talking a bit about the 163 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: definition of a riot. Legally, anything the cops declare a 164 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: riot is a riot. May twenty nine is generally referred 165 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: to as Riot Knight, because after the crowd was dispersed 166 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: from the Justice Center, hundreds of people ran through the 167 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: streets of Portland's luxury shopping district, smashing up high end 168 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: chain stores while the police chased after them. It certainly 169 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: felt like a riot, but a number of of folks 170 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: that we interviewed actually disagreed. Alan Kessler, a Portland based lawyer, 171 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: pushed back on that description. I guess I disagree that 172 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: even the first night was a real riot. I mean, 173 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: there were some shops scott Burg Old there were there 174 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: were something stolen. Um, there was a fire in the 175 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: in the I j c um. I'm not sure that that. 176 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know the intent there right Like 177 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: looking at the fire, looking at the Piddie fire as 178 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: I've seen, I don't know if anybody means to burn 179 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: the buildings down or to Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Uh, 180 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: it didn't seem like it. It doesn't seem it. If 181 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: I were going to burn down the building, I would 182 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: use a hell of a lot more accelerant. Then it 183 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: seems like people are using. Um. I don't know. Uh. 184 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: I was struck by even on even on that night 185 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: I was struck by uh, excuse me, Oh yeah, that 186 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: was a lot more context. Yeah, please don't when Kessler says, yeah, 187 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: I'm trusting you, all the freedoms in your hands straight 188 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: to Andy. So Um. Now, even that night I was 189 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: struck by Commissioner Fritz, who I have absolutely no love for, uh, 190 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: who seemed just horrified that that goocy got robbed and 191 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: uh and I didn't seem able to put that in 192 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: any kind of context. Um, Yeah, I don't. I don't. 193 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't see that as a riot. I 194 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: didn't think that people, uh, I wanted to just break shit. 195 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: I think even then it was it was still political. 196 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: It was it was a protest and it you know, 197 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: I wouldn't recommend that people break stuff, for steal stuff, 198 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: for set stuff on fire. But I understood the upset, 199 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: and I, yeah, I just didn't see in those terms. Um, 200 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: it didn't seem like. I don't remember that anybody died. 201 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure somebody was hurt, but I don't remember that 202 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: it was particularly severe that evening, Like, I don't. I 203 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: don't remember that as a as a violent knight. I 204 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: remember it as a night of property damage. Yeah, I uh, yeah, 205 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: And I wasn't making a legal distinct. There was more 206 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: of a moral argument, like I think people put a 207 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: moral import behind riot and it I don't think it 208 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: was that. I don't think it was I don't think 209 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: it was a breakdown in civilization. I think it was 210 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: a extremely heartfelt frustration with a system that wasn't meeting 211 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: people's needs. Max Smith, a Portland based act to best 212 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: in live streamer, called it a riot light. I called 213 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: like a riot light that night. I think I was like, 214 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: that seems like a little kind of a riot light. 215 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: They broke a couple of windows, you know, they sacked 216 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: the Apple Store. Of course, you know, some opera students 217 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: are gonna, you know, take that opportunity if something is, 218 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: if things are getting broken, someone's gonna rob the Apple Store. 219 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: It's it's it's dumb because you're gonna get caught, but 220 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: go ahead and rob the Apple Store. But you know, 221 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: that's kind of what I thought of it, Like some 222 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: stuff is gonna get broken. That's what happened. And I 223 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: actually thought the police, you know, I thought that and 224 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: actually thought there was going to be some change, which 225 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: we saw a couple of things, like they started talking 226 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: about you know, canceling the the DVRT and the cops 227 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: in schools and things like that, and uh and since then, 228 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: it's it's it's been fairly tame, and we haven't seen 229 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: a whole lot of progress, so, you know, I felt 230 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: like it worked a little bit. The point Mac made 231 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: is one that a lot of activists would agree with. 232 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: Property damage, they argue is not nearly in the same 233 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: moral realm is injuring your killing human beings. Mac himself 234 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: was not out on the twenty nine, but he was 235 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: most directly inspired to start protesting because of something else 236 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: that happened that day. Hundreds of miles south of Portland 237 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: in San Jose, California, there was a guy named Derek 238 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: Sanderland in San Jose and he was protesting before you know, 239 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: he was purchasing against the murder of George Floyd in 240 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: solidarity with Minneapolis. And I remember waking up and getting 241 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: on my phone and kind of just flicking through things 242 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: and seeing that this man had been shot in the 243 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: testicles with a rubber bullet and it like required like 244 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: emergency surgery and he's probably never gonna have kids. And 245 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: I'm looking at this dude and he's like twenty seven 246 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: years old. He's like a black dude. He's got dreads, 247 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: he wears glasses, he's got a scrappy gas beard like mine, 248 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: you know. And I'm looking at this guy like a 249 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: man that would have been me. And then I keep 250 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: reading and he was like he was like a teacher. 251 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: He taught the police about like not targeting people or whatever, 252 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: like you know, de escalation tactics or whatever. And I'm like, 253 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: you're telling me they shot a dude that that trains them, 254 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: Like this has got to be one of the craziest 255 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: things I've ever heard in my life. And he could 256 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: have died from this, you know, And that just made 257 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: me so mad. And I was like, it's even if 258 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't you know, it wasn't me, It could have 259 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: been me, if I would have been out there, And 260 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: so I was just like, that's insane, Like this should 261 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: not be a thing at all. This shouldn't this just 262 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: this can't be really. Many protesters and some journalists will 263 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: argue that most of the riots Portland's saw this summer, 264 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: we're not cases of protesters rioting, but we're instead cop riots. 265 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: After all, if people breaking windows and louding an Apple 266 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: Store is a riot, then police driving into ouds, throwing 267 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: grenades at random and tear gas and hundreds of innocent 268 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: motorists probably counts as a riot, too righted riot We 269 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: crooked when P. T. Barnum's Great American Museum burned to 270 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: the ground in eighteen sixty five, what rose from its 271 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: ashes would change the world? 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Listen to Ernie Leisure on the 304 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: Black Effect podcast Network, I Heart Radio, app, Apple Podcast, 305 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Roxande Gay, 306 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: host of The Roxanne Gay Agenda, the Bad Fominist Podcast 307 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: of Your Dreams. Now what is the Roxanne Gay Agenda, 308 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: you might ask, Well, it's a podcast where I'm going 309 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: to speak my mind about what's on my mind, and 310 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: that could be anything. Every week I will be in 311 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: conversation with an interesting person who has something to say. 312 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about feminism, race, writing in books, 313 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: and art, food, pop culture, and yes, politics. I started 314 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: each show with a recommendation, Really, I'm just going to 315 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: share with you a movie or a book, or maybe 316 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: some music or a comedy side something that I really 317 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: want you to be aware of and maybe engage with 318 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: as well. Listen to the Luminary original podcast, The Roxanay Agenda, 319 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: The Bad Feminist Podcast of Your Dreams, every Tuesday on 320 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 321 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: get your podcast. May was not the first night of 322 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: Portland's Bill and protests, but it was the night that 323 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: set the tone for the next hundred plus nights. There 324 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,959 Speaker 1: was tear gas, flash bangs, armored cops fighting demonstrators who 325 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: were armed with in the beginning, cardboard signs and water bottles. Now, 326 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: we're going to cover a lot of ground in this series, 327 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: and it's probably best to kick this off by giving 328 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: everyone an overview of what exactly happened in Portland from 329 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: late May to the end of September, because the mainstream 330 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: media only really showed a portion of this story. Late 331 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: on the night of the twenty nine, the people of 332 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,479 Speaker 1: Portland learned that their mayor, Ted Wheeler had actually been 333 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: out of town visiting his mother. His first response to 334 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: what had happened was a tweet that started with the 335 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: word enough in all caps and ended with a promise 336 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: that he was coming back now now was also in 337 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: all caps. City Commissioner joe Anne Hardesty, who was acting 338 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: president in the mayor's absence, declared a state of emergency 339 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: and enacted a curfew from eight pm until six am. 340 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: At this point, Portland was in the same boat as 341 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: many other American cities, including New York and Los Angeles. 342 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: In Portland, the curfew was not enough to clamp down 343 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: on unrest, quite the opposite. In fact, local activists like 344 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: d s A member Olivia Cutty Smith were inspired. I 345 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: just thought that it was it was not like anything 346 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: I've ever seen before. I've never seen that level of 347 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: um destruction happened at a protest before. It was exciting. 348 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: I was like, we're going to start. This is huge, 349 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: this is going to take off all across the country. 350 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: Its happening in Portland, it's having in Minneapolis, like this 351 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: is the start of a revolution. Um, you know, and 352 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: even knowing that that might not be true, that that's 353 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: the feeling that I had. That night, several thousand people 354 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: gathered again and on the thirty feet nearly ten thousand 355 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: Portlanders marched to the Justice Center. We actually sort of 356 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: organized the protests behind the scenes um and got like 357 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: ten thousand people across the bridge with this offer UM. 358 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: And yeah, it was just it felt like the sky 359 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: was a limit at that point, Like I can't believe 360 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: there are ten thousand people showing up every single night, 361 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: like this has never happened before. We have to turn 362 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: this into something. Both times police eventually dispersed the crowd 363 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: with indiscriminate tear gas use in liberal clubbing with truncheons. 364 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: Thousands of protesters were gassed, but so were hundreds of 365 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: motorists who happened to be out on city streets and 366 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: dozens of houseless individuals who were gassed in their tents 367 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: for no apparent reason. The curfew was rescinded in early June. 368 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: It clearly hadn't helped. Next, the city began to build 369 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: what would become a massive fence around the Justice Center. 370 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: The protest movement started to splinter between a large group 371 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: of demonstrators who engaged in daily marches that avoided police contact, 372 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: and a smaller group who repeatedly confronted police at the fence. 373 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: At first, Portland police would gas and grenade any group 374 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: of people that drew close to the fence, along with 375 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: any motorists who happened to be driving nearby. Protesters started 376 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: calling at the sacred fence because law enforcements seemed to 377 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: value it more than the physical well being of Portlanders. 378 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: The first fence war between protesters and police lasted most 379 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,479 Speaker 1: of June. There were occasional protests at other police buildings 380 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: like the p p A, headquarters of the Portland Police Union, 381 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: and the North Precinct. Smaller groups of activists also engaged 382 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: in what was briefly a nationwide practice of pulling down 383 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: statues of famous white supremacists. On June eighteenth, a small 384 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: number of mostly teenage Portlander's toppled a statue of George Washington. 385 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: This prompted President Trump to create an executive order to 386 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: protect statues, monuments, and federal property. He sent dozens of 387 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: federal age into Portland to enforce this new order. The 388 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: first time the Feds made a large appearance was on 389 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: July four. That night was a turning point for a 390 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: number of reasons, after weeks of declining numbers. More than 391 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: a thousand Portlanders showed up outside the Justice Center to 392 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: shoot commercial grade fireworks at its windows. They fired a 393 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: few with the adjacent Federal courthouse as well. The police 394 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: l rad a car mounted loudspeaker started warning everyone not 395 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: to shoot the courthouse, so, of course, the entire crowd 396 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: swarmed around the building and continued shooting it with fireworks. Suddenly, 397 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: wooden hatches opened up on the front of the fortress 398 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: like building, and the federal agents inside began tossing out 399 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: tear gas grenades and shooting impact munitions into the crowd. 400 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: For a few minutes, the scene resembled a cross between 401 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: an acid trip in a medieval siege, with protesters bombarding 402 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: the courthouse with fireworks while the Feds inside pumped out 403 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: gas and riot munitions. Yeah, Friday night, everybody. Eventually the 404 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: fight spilled out into the street, and for several hours, 405 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: Portland Police and Department of Homeland Security agents engaged in 406 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: a running battle with hundreds of protesters. Fireworks provided the 407 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: activists with their first weapon that could disrupt a police 408 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: riot line, while law enforcement responded by escalating physical violence 409 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: even further. I was walking up from the j C 410 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: Up towards the park blocks, and there was a person 411 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: who was essentially having an asthma attack and a cloud 412 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: of tear gas, and they had one buddy with them, 413 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: and it was just such an impossible project for that 414 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: one buddy to sort of haul them out of tear 415 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: gas while they're having an asthma attack and like a 416 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: panic attack and really having her off time. Everything got 417 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: more serious after the fourth the federal agents started responding 418 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: to protests downtown more often than the Portland Police Bureau. 419 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: A week later, federal agents almost killed a protester named 420 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: Donovan Labella by shooting him in the forehead with a 421 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: less lethal round. Slowly, the mainstream media began to realize 422 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: that something strange and terrifying was happening. In Portland. The 423 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 1: national interest was ly peaked a few days later when 424 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: camo clad Feds in a rental van started kidnapping people 425 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: off the streets. In early July, the fourth accepted most 426 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: nightly protests only numbered a few dozen to a hundred 427 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: or so protesters, but national media and the specter of 428 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: federal snatch fans panicked Portland's liberal majority. By mid late July, 429 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: thousands upon thousands of protesters were showing up in the 430 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: street every night. The time between July thirty, dubbed the 431 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: Fed War, is the stuff most Americans saw from Portland 432 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: in the news. Moms and dad's, veterans, doctors, chefs, and 433 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: students gathering in front of the Federal courthouse, chanting demands, 434 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: banging on doors, setting fires, ripping off plywood covering the windows, 435 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: and repeatedly tearing down that massive fence. Whenever the federal 436 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: agents came out, a shield wall of protesters would form, 437 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,239 Speaker 1: deflecting metal tear gas canisters and flashbags up into the air. 438 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: People armed with leafblowers directed gas back at the Feds. 439 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: In response, the Feds started using experimental new weapons, including 440 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: a pest a side sprayer, Jerry rigged di spew poison gas, 441 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: seeing the police attack people, especially the FEDS when the 442 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: Feds came, when they came started attacking people like like 443 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: in the smoke. After I got like a gas mask 444 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: and started going into the smoke, you know, and seeing 445 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: what was going on in there, I was pretty I 446 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: was pretty uh disturbed by seeing the way that they 447 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: were like beating people under the under the cover of 448 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: tear gas. That was, um, that was a surprise for me. 449 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: I'd heard people saying, I've got my ask kicked in there, 450 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: but I didn't know it was going down like that. 451 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: As July came and went, so did the visible federal 452 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: presence downtown. Most of the more liberal types packed it up, 453 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: calling the protests a success. But while the days of 454 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: walls of camouflaged Fed's head temporarily ended despite reports of 455 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: their withdrawal, federal presence in Portland lingered on for weeks. 456 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: Dedicated activists were not fooled by the faux withdrawal. They 457 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: knew the work was far from over. Throughout August, protesters 458 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: gathered in front of police precincts, city buildings in Portland's 459 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: ice facility. Sometimes they engaged in property damage, but more 460 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: often they just stood in the street yelling at the 461 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: cops until they were inevitably charged by riot lines. It 462 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: was in August that Portland first saw right wing counter protests, 463 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: generally framed as back the Blue or MAGA gatherings. Sometimes 464 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: these escalated into street brawls between Proud Boys and left 465 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,239 Speaker 1: wing activists. On several occasions, Proud Boys and other right 466 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: wing vigilantes through home made explosives and shot paintball guns 467 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: into crowds. Live rounds were even fired into the air 468 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: and into crowds. The escalation continued until a Trump caravan 469 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: of vehicles waving flags drove through Portland in late August. 470 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: Several Trump supporters fired paintball guns and mace into the 471 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: crowds as they drove by. The whole awful day ended 472 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: with a member of the right wing street gang Patriot Prayer, 473 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 1: being shot and killed by a white BLM activist after 474 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: charging him with a can of mace. Throughout all this, 475 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: Portland's BLM marches occurred every single night right up an 476 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: till late September, when a series of devastating wildfires overwhelmed 477 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: Oregon and blanketed the city of Portland in a thick 478 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: haze of poison, the nightly marches were halted, and the 479 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: various mutual aid organizations that had started up to service 480 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: the protests turned their efforts to meeting the needs of evacuees. Meanwhile, 481 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: right wing activists blamed the fires on Antifa and spent 482 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: several days setting up a legal arm checkpoints and threatening 483 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: people with rifles. When the rains came in the air cleared, 484 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: the protests started up again. There were no longer nightly affairs, 485 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: but they've remained regular occurrences ever since. And all of 486 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: this begs the question why Portland, all fifty U s 487 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: States hosted Black Lives Matter protests during the summer of 488 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: Many cities saw mass demonstrations, and while nine of BLM 489 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: protests were considered peaceful, numerous cities saw rioting, exchanges of gunfire, 490 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: and even had buildings burnt down. But no city in 491 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: the United States had as many continuous nights of protests 492 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: as Portland. No city saw thousands of its citizens lay 493 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: a long siege of a federal courthouse, no city experienced 494 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: a thousand persons street fight between right and left wing demonstrators. 495 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: Perhaps most importantly, no city earned the ire of President 496 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: Donald Trump in the same way as Portland. It seems 497 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: bizarre that this all would happen in Portland, a small 498 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: city of about six hundred and fifty three thousand people. 499 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: How did it grow to become one of the most 500 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: active front lines in a national battle for black lives 501 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: and against white supremacy. It actually makes a lot of 502 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: sense once you scratch beneath the surface a bit. Here's 503 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: Tristan again. Oregon was kind of um I found it 504 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: as like something of like a white utopia, you know, 505 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: like a place for the the white man to really 506 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: like find his destiny right and like conquer this you know, 507 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: this continent. And I think that's just kind of like 508 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: it's just like baked into the culture here where even 509 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: like even like the love of the outdoors isn't like 510 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: isn't like a love of um like keep like keeping 511 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: the environment like healthy and like bounce. It's just like 512 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: a very like commodified like we deserve this, you know, 513 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: we deserve to live in this beautiful place, and we're 514 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: the only ones who know how to take care of it. 515 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: And obviously that's like mellowed out a little bit over 516 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: the you know, decades. But I think that's still basically 517 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: like what what like Um, it's like the undercurrent, you know, 518 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: that's like behind most of what cosan in Oregon. You 519 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: can learn a lot of what you need to know 520 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: about Oregon's history of racism by studying one of the 521 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: state's founders, Peter Hardman Burnett. As a young man in Tennessee, 522 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: he murdered a black person with a booby trap is 523 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: revenge for petty theft. In three he helped organize the 524 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: first great wagon train of white people that headed to 525 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: the Oregon Territory. He was elected to the Provisional Legislature 526 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: and served as the territory's first Supreme Court justice. In 527 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: eighteen forty four, he worked to pass what became known 528 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: as Burnett's Lash Law. This stated that all black people 529 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: were required to leave Oregon under penalty of being whipped 530 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: in public not less than twenty or more than thirty 531 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: nine stripes. This punishment was to be repeated every six 532 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: months until they moved. The law did include a grace 533 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: period three years for black women and two years for 534 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,719 Speaker 1: black men. Burnett also pushed to ban Chinese immigration into Oregon. 535 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: While there are no documented instances of the Lash laws 536 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: being used. It's set a clear tone for the state. 537 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: Burnett's lash law reflected the values of the first white 538 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: people who moved to Oregon. They were abolitionists and that 539 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: they hated slavery, but they only hated slavery because they 540 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: were revolted by the thought of living near black people. 541 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: In eighteen forty eight, the Oregon Territorial government passed a 542 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: law that banned any quote negro or mulatto from living 543 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: in Oregon. In eighteen fifty, the Oregon Donation Land Act 544 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: gave whites and half breed Indians their quote, six hundred 545 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: and fifty acres of land from the government. All other 546 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: people of color were banned from the land grants. Oregon 547 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: was finally made a state in February eighteen fifty nine. 548 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: Under its constitution, quote, no free negro or mulatto not 549 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: residing in this state at the time of the adoption 550 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: of this Constitution shall ever come reside or be within 551 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: this state, or hold any real estate, or make any contract, 552 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: or maintain any suit therein. And the Legislative Assembly shall 553 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: provide by penal laws for the removal by public officers 554 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: of all such free negroes and mulatto's and for their 555 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: effectual exclusion from the state, and for the punishment of 556 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: persons who shall bring them into the state or employer 557 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: harbor them therein. Oregon remains the only state in the 558 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: Union that ever banned black people from living there. Now 559 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: things have gotten better since eighteen fifty nine, but better 560 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: is a low bar. In Portland remains the whitest metropolitan 561 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: area in the United States. Seventy of the population is white, 562 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: less than six is black. Today, Portland's owns the distinction 563 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: as one of the most gentrified cities in the United States. 564 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: Oregon continues to report some of the worst graduation rates 565 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: for black students in the nation, and the wealth gap 566 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: between white and black oregon Ians over the last fifty 567 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: years has whitened, not shrunk. I moved to Portland like 568 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: like five and a half six years ago, I think, 569 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: and from where I definitely I did from northern California 570 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: Bay Area. Um, and I didn't really I didn't have 571 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: a idea of what the city was per se, Like 572 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: I've never seen an episode of port Land here, for instance. 573 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: I just kind of moved up here that would be 574 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: closed a family and and yeah, and when I when 575 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: I kind of first got here, it was like, you 576 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: know that hang out with a bunch of hippies, a 577 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: bunch of people who loved trees and too right bikes 578 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: and go hiking, and it's like, oh, they love the 579 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: environment and they love progressive you know politics, and you know, 580 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: and everything's just chill within. Like the longer I stayed here, 581 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: the facade started to like fall away, and and it's 582 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: I mean like I've been here for you know, almost 583 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: six years now, and I still I don't quite know 584 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: what to make of it still, you know, but like recently, um, 585 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: like with the passage of or like with the most 586 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: recent election, you know, like the local measures that passed 587 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: and didn't pass. It's like like Oregon loves to have 588 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: a black friend. That's what they like. They like to 589 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: have somebody they can point to and be like, look, 590 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: I'm not racist, but they don't. They're not interested in 591 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: actually like challenging the like white supremacists like power structures 592 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: that actually like benefit them and and if you like, 593 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: if you agitate them on that, they just you know, 594 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: that's that's when like the Pacific Northwest, like passive aggressiveness 595 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: like kicks in and they just like kind of like 596 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: try to ignore you, but secually they're totally fucking piste 597 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: off that you dare to like insinuate their racist um. 598 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's like it's a really complicated thing and 599 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: I still quite haven't figured out like what makes white 600 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: people take here, but it's, you know, it's messy. Another 601 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: activist we interviewed, Courtney, is an indigenous Hawaiian person who 602 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: moved to Oregon when she was seventeen. She recalls being 603 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: stunned by how white her school was. Ended up going 604 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: to Oregon City High School, which was like insane. I 605 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: was the only non Hispanic person that was that that school. UM, 606 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: and nobody talked to me through really long time, and 607 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 1: I just was kind of like it was a culture 608 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: shock because there were so many white people that I 609 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: had never seen this many white people in my entire 610 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: life because everyone in hahaitis like mixed races, the majority 611 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: of them are Asian or Polynesian. So um, I definitely 612 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: was nobody really talked to me for a while, and 613 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 1: I kind of like found my little niche of people 614 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: to hang out with. UM. But yeah, like just even 615 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: living in that area, I would get a lot of 616 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: weird looks and um yeah, just not the most friendly 617 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: people to to be around. Um yeah, that's basically it's 618 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: just a culture shock to just be how white organ is. 619 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: I just I didn't expect it at all. I didn't 620 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: and I was like, I knew that they were going 621 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: to be like Hispanic people, but I just didn't realize that. 622 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: Um I thought maybe I would see more like black people. 623 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: And especially living in a city, you know, when you're 624 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: from what you you're like Sportland is just like a 625 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: major city in the United States, and then coming here 626 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: and not really seeing the mix of cultures was just 627 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: kind of shocking. Tristan described the racism in Portland as 628 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 1: unique in a subtle way. It's just it's very it's 629 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 1: very covert or you know, it tries to be very covert. 630 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: Um and it's very like like well, part part of 631 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: what it is is that for a very long time now, 632 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: there's barely been any people of co here at all. Like, 633 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's one of the widest states in the country. 634 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: It's why it's major city in the country, and so like, 635 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: to a certain extent, people are I don't actually know 636 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: what like like what like a microaggression is or what 637 00:37:54,840 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: that would be like, you know, I had to experience um, 638 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: like just like a year, year and a half ago, 639 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 1: maybe I was out with this group um these like 640 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: forest offender type people. Every year they go out post 641 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: this big camp out and you know, like go out 642 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: into the woods and do like surveys and stuff like that, 643 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,839 Speaker 1: try to collect data they can use to to fight 644 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: temper companies and ship and like someone us drop the 645 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: N word like there's five ft for me, there's like 646 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: in casual conversation, and then I had to like address 647 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: the camp like at breakfast, and I was like, okay, 648 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: so just just don't don't say that word. Like there's 649 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: no like like like even if you're just telling a 650 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: story that there's no appropriate context for a white person 651 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: to say that. And and that's one of the reasons 652 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: why I don't go to those fucking campouts anymo. But 653 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: like it's like that, it's like they just don't they 654 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 1: haven't been around black people or people of color in general, 655 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: and they just don't know what to do. And of course, 656 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: the racism that pervades Portland's is present in the Portland 657 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: Police Bureau. Despite black people making up again less than 658 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: six percent of the population. Portland police use force on 659 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: black people more often than people of any other race. 660 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: Portland police are five to fourteen times more likely to 661 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: shoot impact munitions at and to forcibly restrain black residents. 662 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,800 Speaker 1: At one point in the late sixties, black Portlander's accounted 663 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,760 Speaker 1: for nearly half of p PBS arrests. Portland's black community 664 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,760 Speaker 1: has been fighting against this kind of racist violence for decades. 665 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 1: Here's Max Meth again for me. The battle with the 666 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: police began, you know, in the hip hop field. Um. 667 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 1: There was an event here in Portland that happened maybe 668 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 1: six or seven years ago. UM. That happened at a 669 00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 1: venue called the Blue Monk, And it was a pretty deal. 670 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: And I was there and I had friends who were 671 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: performing at the show, and the police essentially came under 672 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: the guise of a capacity violation and brought like a 673 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 1: seven cars and twenty something officers and shut the whole 674 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: street of Belmont down And and that bar eventually actually 675 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: ended up a closing shortly after that. Um, And it 676 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: was a huge deal. They made a huge deal about 677 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: a small thing, and it went like into like national news. 678 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: And even prior to that, we had been really combating 679 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: the efforts of the police to kind of shut down 680 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,359 Speaker 1: or stifle hip hop events in the city. Every time 681 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: we wanted to have a hip hop event, it became like, 682 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, like a world war um, to the point 683 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: that it ended up actually being a protest about the 684 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 1: hip hop community here. And so that was a fight 685 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,760 Speaker 1: that we had as far as hip hop music and clubs, 686 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,799 Speaker 1: as far as hip hop events, as far as live music. Um. 687 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,840 Speaker 1: They really just used the city's resources that the police, 688 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: the fire marshals and the o l c C To 689 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,919 Speaker 1: really like shut down hip hop and and and really 690 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: any black lead events. Lawyer Allan Kessler has done a 691 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,720 Speaker 1: lot of digging into the early history of the Portland police. 692 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: His research has revealed a century long history of Portland's 693 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,879 Speaker 1: police involvement with hate groups, most particularly the Ku Klux Klan. 694 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: I think it was last Memorial that I spent the 695 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: whole weekend in the Oregonian Archives basically living through World 696 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 1: War two. It wasn't fun, uh and it's outrageous, Like 697 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: the clan was on there was a front page column 698 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,839 Speaker 1: talked to a klansman every day for like a week, uh, 699 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 1: and then every other day they had the clan on 700 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: the front page anyway, but that you know, that was like, um, 701 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: it was, yeah, it was incredible. Um. During the war, Uh, 702 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:03,240 Speaker 1: basically everybody, every adult white dude had a little star badge. 703 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: They the police would basically deputize anybody or people just 704 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 1: don't be badges made, so everybody in town had a badge. 705 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: There were lots of articles in that time frame about um, 706 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 1: fake police officer pulls over so and so and they sue. 707 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,320 Speaker 1: In ninety three, a Portland Telegram article reported that the 708 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 1: Portland Police Bureau was quote full to the brink with klansmen. 709 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 1: The police bureau actually deputized a hundred klansmen handpicked by 710 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,360 Speaker 1: the local Grand Dragon and designated them Portland Police vigilantes. 711 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 1: This was before the p p A existed, but the 712 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: tradition lives on. In two thousand ten, Portland police officer 713 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,760 Speaker 1: Mark Krueger was suspended for erecting a memorial to five 714 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: deceased Nazi soldiers on city property. The p p A 715 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 1: successfully sued for him to be reinstated and given an apology. 716 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: When he quit in early he was the highest paid 717 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,800 Speaker 1: police officer on the force. I asked Maria, a lifelong 718 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,919 Speaker 1: Portland resident, her earliest memory of the police was here's 719 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: what she told me. I would say it was when 720 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,239 Speaker 1: I was a child. Honestly, Um, I've had some some 721 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: family stuff and a family member have to go to 722 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 1: way to to prison. So I remember some like vaguely 723 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: stuff like remember then as far as like police brutality wise. Um, 724 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: the very first like murder I remember was Kindred James. Um, 725 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: that will happen like a mile from my house. And 726 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,839 Speaker 1: I want to say I was like ten at the time. 727 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: Kindred James was a twenty one year old black mother 728 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: of two. She was killed under suspicious circumstances during a 729 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,720 Speaker 1: traffic stop. Her killer, officer, Scott McCallister, fired a single 730 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: shot when James attempted to drive away from the traffic 731 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,479 Speaker 1: stop after the motion of the vehicle caused him to fall. 732 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: A number of the statements he made in court were 733 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,320 Speaker 1: inconsistent with physical evidence required from the shooting, and we 734 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: don't really know exactly what happened. Among other things, the 735 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: police argued in court that Portland police were trained to 736 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: quote shoot as they fall aslee f the police is 737 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 1: how I grew up. My dad is a huge like 738 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,719 Speaker 1: Tupac fan, so like I would grow up on hearing 739 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,720 Speaker 1: tupac lyrics all the time, goal threw the police and everything. 740 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, I know, screw yeah, I know. That's how 741 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: I like grew up. Yeah, um is to like not 742 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 1: interact with them. Yeah, I've I've grown up. You know 743 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,359 Speaker 1: how a lot of us, you know, people who are black, 744 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, when we're being followed, profiled all that. 745 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I got profiled to dance in a store 746 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,919 Speaker 1: like it's it's still happened. It's been going on since 747 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,399 Speaker 1: a kid. I don't know if I don't know when 748 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 1: it will stop. That you know, still goes on. Officer 749 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,719 Speaker 1: McCallister was acquitted in federal court. He got to keep 750 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: his job, but even if he had been fired for 751 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,239 Speaker 1: the shooting, the firing might not have stuck. Nationwide, of 752 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,720 Speaker 1: police officers fired from his conductor reinstated because of union 753 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,360 Speaker 1: mandated appeals over the years, this has included an officer 754 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 1: who challenged a handcuffed man to a fist fight for 755 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,439 Speaker 1: his freedom, and a copper sexually assaulted a young woman 756 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: in his patrol car. In any cities, the number of 757 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 1: police reinstated by union appeals is much higher than of 758 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,400 Speaker 1: fired san Antonio officers are reinstated because of union appeals. 759 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,720 Speaker 1: The number is six for Philly cops and for Minneapolis cops. 760 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 1: This is part of why the people of Minneapolis burnt 761 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 1: the Third Precinct to the ground after George Floyd's murder. 762 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 1: They knew from experience that it was extremely likely Derek Chauvin, 763 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,719 Speaker 1: Floyd's killer, would not just avoid prison, but would soon 764 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: be back on the street with a badge. In fact, 765 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 1: as soon as Derek Chauvin and the other officers responsible 766 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: for George Floyd's death were fired, police union head Bob 767 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,440 Speaker 1: Kroll started fighting to have them reinstated. He was concerned 768 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 1: that they had been quote terminated without due process. Kroll 769 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 1: was oddly unconcerned that the same thing was true of 770 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,320 Speaker 1: Mr Floyd. The fact that police officers are extremely difficult 771 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,800 Speaker 1: to fire even when they commit murder or rape on 772 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 1: the job is a national problem. But it is a 773 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,959 Speaker 1: national problem that TRACE's act to a single place where 774 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,960 Speaker 1: else the city of Portland, Oregon, and more specifically to 775 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:18,239 Speaker 1: the Portland Police Association. We make sure to check out 776 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,879 Speaker 1: Drink Champs, your number one music podcast on the Black 777 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 1: Effect Podcast Network. Host n O. R. E and D 778 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,359 Speaker 1: j E. F N sat down with artists and icon Yea, 779 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 1: which Vulture called one most significant interviews. I literally had 780 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,600 Speaker 1: to go like Danos and I don't want to have 781 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,680 Speaker 1: to be the villain. But when I went and did 782 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: the Donda thing, he returned and anybody had to sit 783 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,080 Speaker 1: back and watch the real leader. Check out Drink Champs 784 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: conversation with Yea and many more legendary artists each and 785 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,120 Speaker 1: every Friday on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, 786 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: or where ever you listen to your favorite shows. From 787 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: Cavalry Audio, comes the new true crime podcast The Shadow 788 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:01,760 Speaker 1: Girls always wanted of it felt like to kill somebody 789 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 1: and started laughing. Prosecutors described him as a serial killer, 790 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,760 Speaker 1: surt kicking up these girls, getting him in a position 791 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,400 Speaker 1: of vulnerability. When he got hold of their neck, that 792 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 1: was it. I'm Caroline Asia, a journalist and lifelong resident 793 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,240 Speaker 1: at the Pacific Northwest. I grew up near the banks 794 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: of the Green River and in the shadow of the 795 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: killer that bears its name. How many times did you 796 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 1: bring the camera? One of time? Just one time. He 797 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,880 Speaker 1: started fantasizing about having sex with his mother, and he 798 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 1: fantasized about killing her. But this podcast isn't only about 799 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: tracking down the killer. It's about the victims. We stayed 800 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,120 Speaker 1: in the woods. He always liked to go in the woods. 801 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: All of the kind of strange, you know how it 802 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,239 Speaker 1: feels about prostitutes. Listen to The Shadow Girls on the 803 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,800 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app, on Apple Podcasts or wherever you 804 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:57,200 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. The Black Effect Presinks features honest conversations 805 00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,840 Speaker 1: and exclusive interviews, a space for artists, everyday people and 806 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,319 Speaker 1: listeners to amplify, elevate, and empower black voices with great conversations. 807 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 1: Make sure to listen to The Black Effect Presents podcast 808 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,960 Speaker 1: on I Heart Radio, Apple podcast or wherever you get 809 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 1: your podcast. The Portland Police Association or p p A 810 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,440 Speaker 1: is Portland's police union, and in a way, it's the 811 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,239 Speaker 1: police union because the p p A is actually the 812 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: oldest functioning police union in the United States. Police had 813 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,920 Speaker 1: attempted to unionize several times before the p PA was 814 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,040 Speaker 1: established in nineteen forty two, but Portland was the first 815 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: city to get it right, and the p p A 816 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,960 Speaker 1: has served as a model for the rest of the 817 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 1: nation's law enforcement ever since. Every other police union in 818 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 1: the United States is based off of the Portland Police Association, 819 00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,919 Speaker 1: and one of the many trends that pp A set 820 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: was in suing to reinstate fired officers. This story starts 821 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,920 Speaker 1: on the night of March twelfth, nine, when two Portland 822 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,240 Speaker 1: Police officers from the North Precinct dumped four dead possums 823 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,960 Speaker 1: in the doorway of the Burger Barn, one of Portland's 824 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,600 Speaker 1: few black owned businesses. The use of the word possum 825 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 1: as a derogatory term for black Americans dates back as 826 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,520 Speaker 1: far as eighteen thirty. The owner of the Burger Barn, 827 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,200 Speaker 1: George Powell, called the Police Commissioner to report the incident 828 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,360 Speaker 1: and claimed that it was only the latest example of 829 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 1: police harassment his business had faced. An internal investigation was 830 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,680 Speaker 1: opened and the officers responsible, Ward and Galloway, admitted their 831 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,440 Speaker 1: guilt immediately. Their identity was initially kept hidden thanks to 832 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,759 Speaker 1: a clause in the pp A contract with the city 833 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,920 Speaker 1: that protected officers from having their names disclosed during disciplinary proceedings. 834 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,680 Speaker 1: This is another one of the innovations that the Portland 835 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,439 Speaker 1: Police Association brought to police departments nationwide. By the way, 836 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,480 Speaker 1: the possum incident happened at an awkward time for the 837 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,920 Speaker 1: Portland Police, several officers had just been fired and convict 838 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,719 Speaker 1: did a faking evidence and using illegal drugs on the job. 839 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,480 Speaker 1: Nearly a hundred criminal cases had to be thrown out 840 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: because of falsified evidence. Public opinion of the police bureau 841 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,759 Speaker 1: was low, and when Portland or started marching and demonstrating 842 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,279 Speaker 1: to demand that officers Ward and Galloway by fired, the 843 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: police commissioner was only too happy to oblige them. Enter 844 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,640 Speaker 1: Stan Peters, the most powerful union president Portland has ever had. 845 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,800 Speaker 1: Peters took to every local news show in town. He 846 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,640 Speaker 1: circulated petitions. He even organized a massed protest march made 847 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,000 Speaker 1: up of Portland police officers and their families. He forced 848 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,440 Speaker 1: the city government into arbitration, which ended with both officers 849 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: being rehired and given back pay. There's actually a book 850 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,600 Speaker 1: about the Portland Police Association, Pickets, Pistols and Politics. Alan 851 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,680 Speaker 1: Kessler informed us of its existence. Here's what it says 852 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,200 Speaker 1: about the court case that resolved the Possum incident. Quote. 853 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,840 Speaker 1: The City of Portland versus Ward and Galloway case is 854 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 1: still the leading police discipline case in the United States 855 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,760 Speaker 1: and in labor laws. Circles is the arbitration decision referred 856 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,360 Speaker 1: to the most often it's legal nomenclature is simply City 857 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 1: of Portland. And so in the end, it really isn't 858 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,960 Speaker 1: that odd that the City of Portland wound up as 859 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,120 Speaker 1: ground zero for a battle against white supremacy and police 860 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,239 Speaker 1: brutality and a battle for black lives. It's actually been 861 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,799 Speaker 1: that for a very, very long time. As much as 862 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,000 Speaker 1: people have just kind of started to contextualize how Antifa 863 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,320 Speaker 1: has been fighting against these shuds here for years, you know, 864 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,279 Speaker 1: it actually isn't just the last couple of years where 865 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:34,680 Speaker 1: it's been in the news. It has been going off 866 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,680 Speaker 1: for decades in Portland. There's always been a level of 867 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,719 Speaker 1: especially in southeast of Portland, has always been like even 868 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 1: like in the eighties has been like, you know, these 869 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,880 Speaker 1: white skinhead groups and the sharps, has always kind of 870 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,640 Speaker 1: been like a race war between the white folks in Portland, 871 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,520 Speaker 1: especially in the southeast. Over the course of the summer, 872 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: of Portland's wounds were exposed to the world after George 873 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,480 Speaker 1: Floyd's gruesome murder accelerated long brutal unrest across the country 874 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,880 Speaker 1: and even the globe. The Northwest's liberal bastion was forced 875 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,120 Speaker 1: to reckon with its own deeply anti black traditions, while 876 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,000 Speaker 1: also becoming an unlikely epicenter in a movement for black 877 00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,279 Speaker 1: lives that had taken the world by storm. Thousands took 878 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,200 Speaker 1: to the streets in a battle that would be fought 879 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,560 Speaker 1: against a corrupt police force, Trump's federal agents, right wing vigilantes, 880 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,040 Speaker 1: and even at times between protesters themselves. Through it all, 881 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 1: people banded together to support each other and build the 882 00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,359 Speaker 1: infrastructure that would propel the city to a hundred plus 883 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,920 Speaker 1: days of protests that even the strongest tear gas couldn't end. 884 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,480 Speaker 1: In the next episode, we will delve into how a 885 00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,360 Speaker 1: disorganized crowd of angry Portlanders turned themselves into a movement 886 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,840 Speaker 1: that could stand up to the worst violence the Trump 887 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:48,160 Speaker 1: administration could throw at it. Uh or the grand Pops 888 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,640 Speaker 1: who couldn't fathom the obamacist hate America just to mean 889 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,520 Speaker 1: she keeps the promises looking like the sixties. It's crazy 890 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,680 Speaker 1: a nation wide days are what my people posted, Dove 891 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,919 Speaker 1: go to schools and aimed after the clan founder we're 892 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,800 Speaker 1: around town is you don't see why were frowning Native 893 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,399 Speaker 1: American students forced to learn about when o'pellah Sarah? How 894 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,360 Speaker 1: is that fair? Bro? Some hero's unsung in Some monsters 895 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,600 Speaker 1: get monuments built for them, but it ain't be all 896 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,680 Speaker 1: a little bit of monster. We crook it. Man, Your 897 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,799 Speaker 1: heroes are worthless and man can show private. Only God 898 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 1: gives purpose to crook it. 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