Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another episode of The Hunting Collective. Man,
Speaker 1: it's good to be podcasting again this week, and I'm
Speaker 1: joined by Remy Warrant and Tim Bernett. You may know
Speaker 1: both these gentlemen from the show Solo Hunter that appears
Speaker 1: on the television and you watch it there. Um, they're both,
Speaker 1: you know, outside of being involved in that television program,
Speaker 1: both these guys are experienced hunters. Um, they know their
Speaker 1: ship when it comes to Western hunting, and they've just
Speaker 1: got a bunch of experience to share with us all.
Speaker 1: So we're going to We're at the Sheep Show, We're
Speaker 1: at the YETI booth, we're hanging out. Uh, it's a
Speaker 1: great day. A lot of like minded folks walking around
Speaker 1: this show, and we are enjoying a weekend in Reno, Divada,
Speaker 1: which happens to be Remy's hometown and the home state
Speaker 1: Mr Burnett. So, without further ado, Tim and Remy in
Speaker 1: Reno enjoy Hey, Rabby Warren, what's up Ben over? Hey
Speaker 1: man checking out the Sheep Show And it's in my
Speaker 1: hometown of Reno, Neva from Nova. Yeah, this is my
Speaker 1: stomping grounds where we did the Meat Eater podcast. Yesterday. Um,
Speaker 1: I used to do hockey practice there in that same room,
Speaker 1: and that room. Course of the is this when you
Speaker 1: were how long ago? Was this like middle school age?
Speaker 1: You're deep. You're deep in the reno years ago. Heay, Tim,
Speaker 1: I am an implant of reno though. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel a lot of pressure these I have Reno trivia
Speaker 1: or something. We could have Reno trivia. The first thing
Speaker 1: I would say is don't eat the purple parrot. The
Speaker 1: purple parrot. No, what you guys said you had lunch
Speaker 1: there yesterday. I didn't. That sounds We got We flew,
Speaker 1: we flew in. We were it was late. We wanted sushi.
Speaker 1: It turns out none of your sushi restaurants are open
Speaker 1: past nine pm. Great sushi just down the street. Everywhere,
Speaker 1: they're good sushi. But it was past nine pm. There
Speaker 1: was no There was one place open according to the internet.
Speaker 1: We went there and they turned us down. So we
Speaker 1: just went down the escalator and found the purple parrot.
Speaker 1: Oh inside a cassine in the Atlantis. Okay, with the
Speaker 1: sushi in the Atlantis is open late? Yeah, we tried
Speaker 1: to go there and they turned us away. Bastards. Okay, now,
Speaker 1: I understand where the purple parrot came from. Him. We
Speaker 1: just like googled super mad that we went. He was like,
Speaker 1: what are you guys doing? Man like Reno a bad name,
Speaker 1: Like Reno has really good food and it's Reno's extremely
Speaker 1: strange that it's this Like I think Reno is the
Speaker 1: sushi capital of the West, and you there will be
Speaker 1: people people always challenge me on it. Then I take
Speaker 1: them to sushi and Rena and the like this, this
Speaker 1: is incredible. They're the best. There's guys that come in
Speaker 1: for shows, like the Prime Guys. When they come in,
Speaker 1: they're just like, all we want to do is go
Speaker 1: to sushi. Just take us to sush she because it's
Speaker 1: so good here. It's good. But it's also you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: is it the quality of fish? Well, the quality is good,
Speaker 1: but we aren't competing on quality. We're competing on price
Speaker 1: quantity with good quality. Does that make? That's the equation?
Speaker 1: And that is what you're You're eating that and you're
Speaker 1: like you can have anything you want for twenty five dollars,
Speaker 1: like all in, like as much as you want, so
Speaker 1: you're just you're not full. You're not saying the best
Speaker 1: quality sushi. You're saying the best, but the quality is
Speaker 1: as good as most places, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I think it's as good as I've had pretty much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's like a few places they get like
Speaker 1: a specialty fish and you're like, okay, like yeah, it's
Speaker 1: I'm eating fluke or something, you know, but like for
Speaker 1: your standard sushi and then just having like good creative
Speaker 1: roles that are like the other day I went, I
Speaker 1: was just like told the chef, I brought a bunch
Speaker 1: of guys, all the outdoors some of the Outdoorsman crew
Speaker 1: up there, and they're just like, you know, just let
Speaker 1: the chef go wild. And I mean it was just incredible,
Speaker 1: you know, and you're like, Okay, this is awesome. For
Speaker 1: plus plus you get free saki. Now I wish I
Speaker 1: had some kind of a coupon deal. I've got a
Speaker 1: punch card, so you want to if we want to
Speaker 1: offer that, Tim will mail you his punch card. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's probably no. You gotta you gotta come to Reno.
Speaker 1: You gotta come buy mine, and then I'll give you
Speaker 1: my punch card. That's right. Don't be don't be a
Speaker 1: cheap skate. All right, Well, we're at the we're here
Speaker 1: like in the corner of the Yetie booth. If you
Speaker 1: hear this, like soft not soft, this murmur in the background,
Speaker 1: that's all the sheep show folks walking around checking out.
Speaker 1: We got first light hanging out. There's yetti. Um, so
Speaker 1: that's what you're hearing. But give me a sheep show.
Speaker 1: Give me a sheep show story. What's your first sheep shown?
Speaker 1: Because you Yeah, I've been coming to the sheep Show
Speaker 1: probably since I was I don't know, since I could
Speaker 1: walk maybe, I mean, honestly can't remember. Used to be
Speaker 1: at what is now the GSR and Reno, but I
Speaker 1: think it used to be like Alleys or MGM. Then
Speaker 1: like it's changed names like three times like that. That's
Speaker 1: how old school I go with the sheep Show. I
Speaker 1: think they've been doing it for what thirty years or something,
Speaker 1: and most of them have been in Reno. Um, they
Speaker 1: did go away for a little bit. They kind of
Speaker 1: did like a little they went to Wyoming and kind
Speaker 1: of rotated around and then they were they never in Vegas.
Speaker 1: They might have done Vegas once and they kind of
Speaker 1: combined with the Mule Deer Foundation for a little while
Speaker 1: when their members, you know, weren't as strong to do
Speaker 1: and then it's cool to see it grow to this
Speaker 1: level where they're back at the convention Center, a big show.
Speaker 1: Grey Thornton from Wild Sheep was telling me they're they're
Speaker 1: growing like thirty percent a year attendees of this show.
Speaker 1: And as you know, you guys have been to all
Speaker 1: the shows, I feel like it's one of the most
Speaker 1: fun places you can go. Man. You can win a
Speaker 1: sheep on around every corner, but it's just a casual atmosphere. Man,
Speaker 1: it's not. Yeah, it's it's my favorite show. I think
Speaker 1: probably because the crowds aren't like they are in other shows.
Speaker 1: But it's also the stuff off to, like you're really
Speaker 1: passionate about, and it's not just all sheep. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of other cool things. And the fact that I
Speaker 1: can go home and sleep in my own bed that's
Speaker 1: pretty sweet. Yeah, that's pretty good for you guys. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like the home game, Like we're really rooting
Speaker 1: for the Sheep Show because I feel like it's a
Speaker 1: part of Reno every year and now if they move
Speaker 1: it on me and then I'll be like, damn them.
Speaker 1: Damn there. That's like, that's like the Raiders going to
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, you know, right, It's like Tim, if you
Speaker 1: ever want to sheep on here at this show, I've
Speaker 1: never want to sheep on. No, you have to enter
Speaker 1: the raffles and the different things, uh you know what
Speaker 1: and all. Honestly, I don't usually just just random depends
Speaker 1: on what mood I'm in that day, like I have
Speaker 1: some years, but mostly I don't remy as a winner, right,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, And I do enter the raffles for so
Speaker 1: I've wanted all sheep hunt here. Um, the best odds
Speaker 1: are like the one more for force. So if you've
Speaker 1: got three sheep, um you don't have Yeah. Okay, So
Speaker 1: there's four basic species of I mean there's a lot
Speaker 1: of species sheep, but in North America we classified the
Speaker 1: doll sheep, stone sheep, Desert big horn, and Rocky Mountain
Speaker 1: big horn. Um. So when I was a kid, I
Speaker 1: drew a Desert big horn tag in Nevada and harvested that.
Speaker 1: I drew a California big horn tag a handful of
Speaker 1: years ago in Nevada, harvested that and then um there
Speaker 1: you They used to have a half slam drawing where
Speaker 1: if you had two sheep you could you were automatically
Speaker 1: entered into this one drawing. You couldn't buy tickets for it,
Speaker 1: and you had to be present to win. So it's
Speaker 1: really good odds um and my dad won that like
Speaker 1: ten years ago, and the outfitter let me shoot a
Speaker 1: sheep on that hunt. He's like, as long as there's
Speaker 1: two were legal ramps together, you can shoot one if
Speaker 1: you know. I had tag and everything. So I shot
Speaker 1: a sheep that then, and then a couple of years
Speaker 1: later I came here. I put one ticket in the
Speaker 1: doll sheep drawing one that, and now I'm in the
Speaker 1: one more for four, which is the They no longer
Speaker 1: have the half slam, so they have the three quarter
Speaker 1: slam or one more for four because um yeah. So
Speaker 1: you register your sheep that you've harvested with them of
Speaker 1: the species. They give you a ticket, and everybody that's
Speaker 1: registered gets a ticket. But if you don't show up
Speaker 1: to the banquet that night and they draw your name,
Speaker 1: you're out. One year, a guy went to the bathroom
Speaker 1: during that time drew his name. He didn't get it.
Speaker 1: They move on alive or streaming alive or something or
Speaker 1: Heart Alive. Oh yeah. The guy was streaming it while
Speaker 1: he was going the bath while he heard his name,
Speaker 1: and then it was like, no, you've got to be
Speaker 1: kidding me. I have a friend a friend. The one
Speaker 1: year he missed, he was drawn, and then two years
Speaker 1: ago a guy was like, I mean sometimes I go
Speaker 1: through ten names and you're in a room looking around, going,
Speaker 1: there's not that that's the best odds for sheep tag
Speaker 1: probably in the world, I don't know. And there was
Speaker 1: a guy that wasn't there the year before his name
Speaker 1: was drawn. The following year he got drawn on the
Speaker 1: third I think it was like the third draw after
Speaker 1: the first two weren't there, and he learned his lesson
Speaker 1: and at least he got rebuttaled. So how they did
Speaker 1: for the hunt? Do they? When they draw your name,
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, you need a stone we get at hunt.
Speaker 1: So they just have to book the hunt for you.
Speaker 1: You Yeah, And so people donate to that specifically UM
Speaker 1: to keep that going, and then that money goes to
Speaker 1: pay an outfitter to book your hunt, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: if you think about actually just wrote an article for
Speaker 1: Western Hunter magazine UM about sheep hunts and drawings because
Speaker 1: there's if you investigate some of the draws around the West,
Speaker 1: some of the raffles have way better odds than the
Speaker 1: state draws. Like there's there's um the California chapter for
Speaker 1: Wild Sheep Foundation has a rowing. I think it's like
Speaker 1: one in a hundred and fifty um. They only sell
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's way better. I already bought my ticket,
Speaker 1: So go go for it, guys. It doesn't matter. Like
Speaker 1: I mean, Wyoming does something similar. Idaho, man, their Wild
Speaker 1: Chief Foundation has some of the most incredible draw odds
Speaker 1: for a sheep tag through these raffles. I know Alaska
Speaker 1: does too. Alaska several different yeah chapter events. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so you know a lot of these chapter events have
Speaker 1: some crazy draws. You know. Wild Chief are the ones
Speaker 1: that where you gotta be present and or even Hunt
Speaker 1: Expo next week. The only reason I go to Hunt Expo,
Speaker 1: no offense hunt Expo, but it's to try to win
Speaker 1: a sheep tag or one of those other tags that
Speaker 1: I drew that drew in an elk tag and packaged
Speaker 1: lake on a five dollar five dollar raffle. I guess
Speaker 1: you call it a lottery. I don't know what you
Speaker 1: call that. It's a it's a raffle, but I mean
Speaker 1: it's like the Alaska state draws technically a raffle as well.
Speaker 1: So that's it's a good time. Like this is a
Speaker 1: good way to spin it because it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: tagged all season right now. Um, well get to the
Speaker 1: tail tail into some of it. But both of you
Speaker 1: guys do a lot of that talk about Um, Timmy,
Speaker 1: you start talking about how if a guy you know
Speaker 1: is having shitty luck on his tags, Like, what are
Speaker 1: some of the things Alaska being one for me where
Speaker 1: it's a lottery you put in you put you can
Speaker 1: put in for twelve different animals, Um, what are some
Speaker 1: ways around ot see some ways that are around the
Speaker 1: tag draw system that are just great opportunities that people
Speaker 1: might be missing out there. So I'm probably not the
Speaker 1: one to speak on that because I don't put in
Speaker 1: for a lot of the draws a lot of the states.
Speaker 1: I've always been one that I like freedom and I
Speaker 1: like to well, not that I wouldn't want to draw,
Speaker 1: that still a good conversation, like how do you Yeah,
Speaker 1: you hunt all over the place. What's the strategy for
Speaker 1: somebody who doesn't want to play the game. So, um,
Speaker 1: I'm terrible with research. My brother helps me out a
Speaker 1: bunch with like Montana, Wyoming, um, and a lot of
Speaker 1: some of the Idaho stuff. And then one of my
Speaker 1: good buddies, Riley Warwood, he runs the bullshop in NiFi, Utah.
Speaker 1: He does all my Utah, New Mexico, Colorado, um, all
Speaker 1: of those things. And then I just take care of
Speaker 1: of Idaho and Nevada for myself. But I don't put
Speaker 1: in for a lot of the sheep hunts or any
Speaker 1: of those because the odds are you're probably never gonna
Speaker 1: draw um, and I just choose not to play those
Speaker 1: odds because living in Nevada, you've got better chance of
Speaker 1: drawing she tag than anywhere else. Um. And then occasionally
Speaker 1: I'll drop into some of these raffles, but I really don't,
Speaker 1: so I'm not I'm probably the worst example. People are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're stupid. You know you're gonna get better opportunities if
Speaker 1: you would, which is true. Um, I just don't. But
Speaker 1: you mostly it's because you mostly do over the counter stuff,
Speaker 1: which is a great So that's a good option for
Speaker 1: the guys that don't want to, like, you know, if
Speaker 1: you what's the strategy. What's your strategy going into these things.
Speaker 1: I I just kind of have the core hunts that
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna do that year that are the given,
Speaker 1: you know. And then and then I kind of have
Speaker 1: in the back of my head and I have a
Speaker 1: plan that if I fill my tag in this state,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pop over the state. So for instance, I'll
Speaker 1: put in for Montana every year, and if I draw Montana,
Speaker 1: then that's gonna be my folks for elk. That'll be
Speaker 1: my focus for l that September um because I only
Speaker 1: want to hunt elk in the rut pretty much. And
Speaker 1: if I kill in Montana or if it's sucking in Montana,
Speaker 1: I know that I can always hop over Idaho because
Speaker 1: I I um have my Idaho over the counter bowl
Speaker 1: license and so I can either get my second bowl
Speaker 1: there or that if the hunting sucks in Montana, I'll
Speaker 1: just move over there and try to do it there.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of how I play it is. The
Speaker 1: over the counter is something you can generally always get,
Speaker 1: even though some of the units in Ido are starting
Speaker 1: to sell out a little bit. But that way, like
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just thrive on freedom and flexibility,
Speaker 1: and I can call up my wife and say, I
Speaker 1: just feel my tag. I'm not supposed to be home
Speaker 1: for four days. I'm gonna pop over to hear, you know,
Speaker 1: and go hunt for a little bit longer. And I
Speaker 1: do that in the Midwest too, when I chase white
Speaker 1: tails too. So give us. I know you've got some
Speaker 1: specific things that you do. Oh yeah. I mean I
Speaker 1: play the tag game like team's the pessimists and I'm
Speaker 1: the op It's like, but I mean, the reality is
Speaker 1: most all my tags are over the counter tags or
Speaker 1: general area tags, because you know, you're just chasing tags,
Speaker 1: chasing tags, stationing tags. I mean, I've got more points
Speaker 1: in more places than a lot of people, and I'm
Speaker 1: still not getting tags, but some of them too. It's
Speaker 1: like the way that they staggered the draws. You know,
Speaker 1: I might get a tag in a state that draws first,
Speaker 1: so I keep building points in the states that end
Speaker 1: up drawing later, like California. You know, I I have
Speaker 1: enough preference points to guarantee the archery tag that I want,
Speaker 1: maybe double the points that I need to guarantee the
Speaker 1: archery tag I want. But that's the last draw to
Speaker 1: come out and by then I'm already I'm already I've
Speaker 1: already figured out a plan. Um, So you know I
Speaker 1: do play the draw game. Um, it can be you know,
Speaker 1: I see both sides of it. But I started like
Speaker 1: I started when I was in middle like high school,
Speaker 1: fifteen fourteen, fifteen sixteen, Like I would take the mone
Speaker 1: that I made and save it to apply for tags.
Speaker 1: And back then, they didn't have like youth discounts. That
Speaker 1: wasn't a thing. Like they didn't care about their youth.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that wasn't a thing. So I started applying
Speaker 1: because I kind of had a little bit of foresight,
Speaker 1: knowing that how much I love hunting. And I was like,
Speaker 1: now when I'm an adult, I want to be able
Speaker 1: to draw a tag. The only way to get twenty
Speaker 1: points is to start when you're young, Um, and keep applying.
Speaker 1: So I've been doing it for essentially over half my life. Um,
Speaker 1: I've only drawn, well, I've drawn I've been fortunate. I've
Speaker 1: drawn two sheep tags in Alaska. I've drawn two sheep
Speaker 1: tags in Nevada. Um, but your Alaska strategy, I mean
Speaker 1: that's something that people are always asking about, like, oh,
Speaker 1: how do you do how do you approach Alaska each year?
Speaker 1: But I will not give my secrets, and so I
Speaker 1: I apply for Alaska. Um, you know, Well, so for
Speaker 1: the sheep, you have to apply through an outfitter, which um,
Speaker 1: my good buddy Jeremy Russ, and he has rogue expeditions
Speaker 1: and so um, like I apply through him, you know,
Speaker 1: and then you know, because it has to be like
Speaker 1: guided and legal and whatever. So that's I go through him.
Speaker 1: And I mean he's a good dude to go with,
Speaker 1: Like if you're if you're like I want to go
Speaker 1: on a sheep hunt, the best hunt, the cheapest hunt
Speaker 1: that you can go on in North America is a
Speaker 1: doll sheep. He has really good prices on doll sheep,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, he likes to have younger hunters,
Speaker 1: and I think that that's why his prices are a
Speaker 1: little bit lower, like he would you know what I mean, like,
Speaker 1: because I think you price yourself out of guys that
Speaker 1: uh like for a sheep hunt, that's crazy. And I
Speaker 1: mean they're still expensive, but I would say he's on
Speaker 1: the lower end of a really expensive hunt, which if
Speaker 1: you think about if you saved for four years and
Speaker 1: don't apply like his thing was like, look, if you
Speaker 1: didn't apply in any of these states and you save
Speaker 1: that twenty five hundred bucks a year, you'd be sheep hunting. Like,
Speaker 1: you'd be sheep hunting way sooner than you're ever going
Speaker 1: to draw a tag. And like that's his strategy. And
Speaker 1: I think that that's actually a good strategy, um, because
Speaker 1: you can just book it be like, hey, I'm going
Speaker 1: in this year. You know, I don't know that that's
Speaker 1: a good strategy to like if you want to sheep hunt. Um,
Speaker 1: But living in the state of Nevada, were fortunate, like
Speaker 1: I will probably I've drawn a desert tag, I've passed
Speaker 1: my waiting period and now I have like seven or
Speaker 1: eight points again, so I will draw one, maybe two
Speaker 1: more desert sheep tags in my life. I will probably
Speaker 1: kill three to five rams in the state Nevada as
Speaker 1: a resident. That's why I live into Vada. And this
Speaker 1: is a great ad for but in a resident, but like, seriously,
Speaker 1: don't move to Nevada. Our freaking odds. Um. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of folks I listen to this. We get I
Speaker 1: get messages in and just on the media platform, we
Speaker 1: get it all the time with people that have no
Speaker 1: idea how to start any of this, you know. So
Speaker 1: a lot of the things we just said are like
Speaker 1: presumption that people understand what we're talking about when we
Speaker 1: say certain terms. How would you, guys, if somebody said,
Speaker 1: I live I live in the east, I live in
Speaker 1: the South, I live wherever I want to come west.
Speaker 1: I wanna um doing over the counter hunt. I'd like
Speaker 1: to start putting in for draws. I'd like to start
Speaker 1: getting in the process. What's the like, what are the
Speaker 1: things that you would tell someone if they walked up
Speaker 1: to you and asked that very detailed and very you know,
Speaker 1: nuance question. I think it's worth turning it over their professionals,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean there's there's application companies out there
Speaker 1: like Epic and Hunting Fool and all those others, you know.
Speaker 1: For us, I was looking at their fees because I
Speaker 1: don't subscribe to any of those either, but I was
Speaker 1: looking at their application fees, and it's it's pretty dang
Speaker 1: reasonable to have somebody that knows what they're doing, that
Speaker 1: can just have a phone conversation with you to set
Speaker 1: up a strategy, um, and that's what they do for
Speaker 1: their livelihood, you know. So they're gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: better at it. So I would recommend guys get aligned
Speaker 1: with someone like that if they're wanting to come out
Speaker 1: west and find out what opportunities on a draw tag.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of over the counter stuff too,
Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of that just comes from
Speaker 1: social networking and getting to know people. Um, if you
Speaker 1: depended on how big a balls you got, you can
Speaker 1: do some map research and just find find some areas
Speaker 1: and go. And I've got a lot of I've talked
Speaker 1: to a lot of people that are like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: we went out to Colorado, we picked a spot on
Speaker 1: the map over the counter, went out and just got
Speaker 1: it handed to us. Yeah, we want to do it
Speaker 1: different this time, you know, So what would you recommend?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, do it again. Just don't go to
Speaker 1: that spot, you don't go to somewhere else, because that's
Speaker 1: that's really what it takes. If you're likely you're gonna
Speaker 1: get beat up at least a couple of times before
Speaker 1: you hit hit a spot where it's worth it and
Speaker 1: how hard you want to work for it, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like, yeah, it would be nice
Speaker 1: to be able to just call someone up and say
Speaker 1: where can I go l hunting and have them put
Speaker 1: you in a honeyholder. But that's the easy button, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, how how hard you want to work in
Speaker 1: it with it and how much do you want to
Speaker 1: invest into it for the future in the long term
Speaker 1: and to find a spot that you're That's gotta be
Speaker 1: a good point because when a lot of people that
Speaker 1: are asking that question that just really don't have a
Speaker 1: perspective on what they're about to try to do. The
Speaker 1: quite the thing is just to be ready to work,
Speaker 1: like be ready to hit your head against the wall.
Speaker 1: Just be ready, or go with a guide then who
Speaker 1: it wants to see if you like it, and then
Speaker 1: and then make a plan from there. But I think, um,
Speaker 1: I'll break it down like this from like the in
Speaker 1: just this will be like a how to guide breaking
Speaker 1: it down right, So you're you're new to hunting in
Speaker 1: the West, right, So, like I get a lot of
Speaker 1: questions like how do I play the application game? So
Speaker 1: I'd say, if you want to spend the least amount
Speaker 1: of money doing it but have like the best success
Speaker 1: for yourself, I do this. You pick three states. Okay,
Speaker 1: you do one state that has a random draw, you
Speaker 1: do one state that is on preference points, and you
Speaker 1: do one state that is on bonus points. Okay, so
Speaker 1: preference point like you build up and then when the
Speaker 1: you apply with that the highest number of preference points
Speaker 1: to a certain area, you're guaranteed like Wyoming has that, um,
Speaker 1: Colorado has that, California has that. Now, those preference point states,
Speaker 1: like the best areas might take more than you could
Speaker 1: ever get in your lifetime, but there are decent areas
Speaker 1: that take three to four points, so you plan on
Speaker 1: those you saw three to four years out. Then the
Speaker 1: random draw states would be like New Mexico, Idaho, Alaska.
Speaker 1: Put in for those because you could get you're on
Speaker 1: the same starting out New You're on the same playing
Speaker 1: field for a great tag as everybody else, and that
Speaker 1: and that play fields not going to change. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna flip or flip around on it correct And then
Speaker 1: the bonus point is like everybody's in the hat, but
Speaker 1: the people with the more points have a greater chance,
Speaker 1: like Nevada um Utel is like a modified preference and
Speaker 1: bonus point state. UM where else Nevada's bonus, Montana's bonus um.
Speaker 1: So those states like you could draw any year, but
Speaker 1: the longer you put in, the more you're rewarded. So
Speaker 1: you're setting up a plan of Okay, I could random
Speaker 1: the draw something, I have something planned out, and then
Speaker 1: I have a better chance of randomly drawing something the
Speaker 1: longer I do it. Now you pick what you're you
Speaker 1: want to hunt, because the thing about a draw tag
Speaker 1: is you're gonna have a lot more opportunity because it's
Speaker 1: it's it's similar to hunting like private land, because there's
Speaker 1: fewer people and generally like higher age, class of animal,
Speaker 1: like more opportunity, easier, easier in the fact of like
Speaker 1: more opportunity. But in the meantime, you do those draws
Speaker 1: and then you resort to a general unit when you
Speaker 1: want to go like the counterback. Now now I'm going
Speaker 1: O T C. I'm doing a general area in Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Oregon.
Speaker 1: Like you know, there are general units in nearly every
Speaker 1: state for some species. Nevada is the only state that
Speaker 1: does not have a gent or one of the only
Speaker 1: states that doesn't have some general unit for something. But
Speaker 1: there are you know, tags that might be easier to draw, um,
Speaker 1: so that that's where you're gonna get your experience and
Speaker 1: you do that, you want to like do that. Your
Speaker 1: first year you started playing like Okay, now I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go out west. For the planning process, I use a
Speaker 1: lot of maps and then you're just gonna have to
Speaker 1: do your research. Um, that on x app is incredible
Speaker 1: for planning. Like even me who hunts, like I used
Speaker 1: I used to use paper maps. Now I use on
Speaker 1: x maps like there's so many like layers and all
Speaker 1: this other stuff. And then just read articles on elk
Speaker 1: hunting what you're looking for, Like I don't know, there's
Speaker 1: probably a library somewhere of thirty articles that I've written
Speaker 1: on how to find elk spots. I don't know how
Speaker 1: you get those Western hunter like like get get like
Speaker 1: those magazines. Don't don't subscribe to the magazines that like
Speaker 1: you're just about I don't like not even Magaze, But
Speaker 1: like anything, there's stuff that like deep dives into you
Speaker 1: how to get the how to stuff, And if that's
Speaker 1: not fun to you, you probably should just quit. Like
Speaker 1: it's it's fun to me and it's interesting to me
Speaker 1: to to do the research, find a spot and realize
Speaker 1: when you get to that fucking spot that there are
Speaker 1: animals there and you were right, like and then that's
Speaker 1: your spot. Well like like it. My I don't like
Speaker 1: to do um. I don't like to do like the
Speaker 1: draw research or the tag research or any of that stuff.
Speaker 1: So I turned that over to my brother. Like, but
Speaker 1: what I really really thrive on is is once I
Speaker 1: have an area narrowed down, I love digging into that area.
Speaker 1: You know, So um, you have to kind of like
Speaker 1: there there's ways to get around things that you don't
Speaker 1: like to be in order to focus on the things
Speaker 1: that you do like, you know, so every person is
Speaker 1: going to be different. And if all of this is
Speaker 1: just too overwhelming and too daunting, like I say, you know,
Speaker 1: go with an outfit or something and experience it. Because
Speaker 1: the thing of it is, if you're not experiencing the
Speaker 1: West and experiencing those hunts, you and dream about all
Speaker 1: you want until you put a plan in motion and
Speaker 1: actually go out and do it, then you really Then
Speaker 1: you figure out if you've really got a taste for it.
Speaker 1: And when you get a taste for it, then there's
Speaker 1: no stopping. There's plenty of folks, plenty of folks that
Speaker 1: just don't have the time to do what we're talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, to do what remedy is talking about. So yeah,
Speaker 1: there are the shortcuts to it, and then you can
Speaker 1: decide whether this is the way you want to go.
Speaker 1: I want one. You want to playing if you're playing
Speaker 1: in a single Western hunt every year and doing all
Speaker 1: the research starting in February, starting in January, and doing
Speaker 1: all the research, then once you draw your tag or
Speaker 1: once you have your areas spotted, then you're gonna continue
Speaker 1: to research that area, maybe make a scouting trip in July,
Speaker 1: and then go do your hunt in September. Like that.
Speaker 1: That's a badass way to spend your time. The cool
Speaker 1: thing about like remedy strategy, that's that's pretty much what
Speaker 1: I do, other than I don't put in for that
Speaker 1: many states. But you're you can hunt elk every year.
Speaker 1: I get a hunt elk every year because now that
Speaker 1: obviously I was from Idaho, so I have my spot
Speaker 1: where I go. But when you're coming out and you
Speaker 1: you come out and have a great experien rians, I guess, well,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you got your spot, and all
Speaker 1: you got you over the counter spot you can go
Speaker 1: to every year and then just kind of branch out
Speaker 1: and expand that territory and move territories. But once you've
Speaker 1: done it once, all the all the mystery, all the fear,
Speaker 1: everything else is out of the way, and now it's
Speaker 1: like baller man, this is gonna be sweeping. I just
Speaker 1: moved to Monte and I'm refusing any spots, any suggestions.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me where. I don't want to know where
Speaker 1: to go. I just wanna. If I fail for a
Speaker 1: couple of years, that's great. I don't give a ship.
Speaker 1: I would much rather do it on my own fine spots,
Speaker 1: you know, wake up early in the morning to hike
Speaker 1: in and find there's eight other guys in there. I'd
Speaker 1: rather do it that way and be able to kind
Speaker 1: of get the intellectual property my own, my own way,
Speaker 1: whether it takes me longer, or I get lucky and
Speaker 1: find some some spots around town. Who knows, But I
Speaker 1: want to go through it, you know, unfettered and just
Speaker 1: and get it. I think Tim brought up a good point,
Speaker 1: and it's something that I actually do as well. Is
Speaker 1: sometimes like the research. I mean, like I I put
Speaker 1: a lot of research into like applications of things. But
Speaker 1: I've also done that my entire life. But another thing
Speaker 1: that I do is when you have a tag, you're
Speaker 1: better off to just pick an area right like you can.
Speaker 1: The first time I ever went elk cunning in a
Speaker 1: fog nack was not because I heard of a fog nack.
Speaker 1: Nobody heard of a fogna el before before I never
Speaker 1: knew nothing about it. I randomly applied for it because
Speaker 1: I figured if I drew a tag there, then I
Speaker 1: would spend my time figuring it out. So I do
Speaker 1: that in a lot of states. Room. You showed me
Speaker 1: that in the last year. I just want to just
Speaker 1: generally know what's going on and apply for all apply
Speaker 1: for like, pick a random unit in someplace that's easy
Speaker 1: to draw, apply for it. You're like, Okay, don't worry
Speaker 1: about is it a good hunt? Is it? This? Is
Speaker 1: it that? It doesn't matter. Once you have that spot,
Speaker 1: now you've focused your energy. Like That's the nice thing
Speaker 1: about having a unit you apply for is it forces you,
Speaker 1: It gives it narrows down nine western states into one region,
Speaker 1: and from that region, now you can do your research
Speaker 1: and hunt that region. Don't don't get so caught up
Speaker 1: in the detail of where am I going to go?
Speaker 1: What's the best place to go this that thing. Just
Speaker 1: pick a random place and focus on it. You will
Speaker 1: find a good hunt everywhere you go. People. There's areas
Speaker 1: where people say there's no animals there, this area sucks.
Speaker 1: You can have a good hunt one one, just need one,
Speaker 1: don't need a hundred of them. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just go pick a spot and and start. Just do it.
Speaker 1: That's probably the best advice I've heard on it. This
Speaker 1: is like, just do it. Just sorry, just get just
Speaker 1: get it, because it just depends on what you want
Speaker 1: out of it too, you know. I mean, if if
Speaker 1: you're if you are a truly just a trophy mindset,
Speaker 1: which we we we all probably have friends that have
Speaker 1: that mindset, then really just the limited draws, that's your strategy,
Speaker 1: and you're you've made it harder for yourself phone, which
Speaker 1: just fine, limited, what's fuew Honestly, it's right or wrong,
Speaker 1: or it's whatever you want to do, put in the
Speaker 1: bounds along. But if you just want to hunt every
Speaker 1: year and just rack up experience to increase your odds
Speaker 1: so that when you do finally merge into that trophy game,
Speaker 1: that you're gonna actually be able to do it, you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm speaking probably more of the younger crowd that
Speaker 1: wants to kill big deer and big elk right off
Speaker 1: the bat. But you know, maybe maybe your skill levels
Speaker 1: not quite there, maybe your mentor you don't have the
Speaker 1: right mentors to take you in. What there's nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with just learning and hunting and experiencing hunting. Yeah, we've
Speaker 1: got a lot of you know, a lot of people
Speaker 1: that listen to this or like, I'm thirty years old
Speaker 1: and I'm just started hunting, and all I see on
Speaker 1: social media or wherever I'm taking in media is dudes
Speaker 1: killing big bulls and big bucks out west. How do
Speaker 1: I get that? I'm like, well, thirty years of experience.
Speaker 1: May the people you're watching have put in the experience.
Speaker 1: You're just not watching the experience. You're just watching the
Speaker 1: result and success a lot of times. So it's it's
Speaker 1: to slow it down and just go hunt, like you
Speaker 1: can just go and and do a little bit of exploration.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're already speeding it up if you're
Speaker 1: if you're starting with elk like you, if you if
Speaker 1: you've never hunted the West, there's just so like, go
Speaker 1: on some turkeys in the spring, Go go spot stalk
Speaker 1: a black bear. Like there's there's things that you can
Speaker 1: do that aren't as I would say intensive as elk hunting.
Speaker 1: You know that you get to learn the country and
Speaker 1: learn the places. You also have to be realistic of
Speaker 1: where you're hunting. I think you get I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people just see all these elk pictures. They're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's these giant six by six. Is do you shoot
Speaker 1: a six by six in a general area? You're for
Speaker 1: the day or the week, depending on where you're at.
Speaker 1: So you have to be realistic when I'm in like,
Speaker 1: I love mule deer hunting. I love mule deer hunting.
Speaker 1: I love hunting big mule deer, mature box, you know,
Speaker 1: good scoring box. That's my thing. But if I'm in
Speaker 1: an area that doesn't have those, then that's not what
Speaker 1: I'm looking for. You look at the best rep presentation
Speaker 1: of where you are, right and so you have to
Speaker 1: be realistic when I hunt elk in general area. I
Speaker 1: just looked to hunt illegal bull. When I have a
Speaker 1: special draw tag, I am extremely extremely picky on what
Speaker 1: I shoot, and the elk that I shoot on a
Speaker 1: limited draw tag is going to be a completely different
Speaker 1: representation of what hell cunting is than another area that
Speaker 1: I have just as much fun in just shooting a
Speaker 1: raghorn bull. Whenever drew that tag at the Western Hunting Expo,
Speaker 1: I felt like some I got lucky as hell to
Speaker 1: draw this. I feel some sort of you know, responsibility
Speaker 1: to everyone else that applied to go and do my
Speaker 1: work and set an expectation that's abubble where I would
Speaker 1: normally be. I'm from the East coast. If you take
Speaker 1: me to Utah and plot me in the woods man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hike up a mountain and see a three
Speaker 1: twenty bull and whack it like yeah, I got no
Speaker 1: problem with that. First day, last day, fifth day, fourth day,
Speaker 1: don't care. But when I had that tag in my pocket,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I gotta I gotta switch something else on
Speaker 1: here again. I gotta leave my East Coast behind because
Speaker 1: because I owe it to you know, all the people
Speaker 1: that wishes whish they drew this tag like I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but your barrier of entry was really not a lot
Speaker 1: different than and over the counter tag, you know, so
Speaker 1: theoretically it could have been just like an exploratory over
Speaker 1: the counter hunt in Idaho, you know, for that matter.
Speaker 1: So as long as you got the hunked out of
Speaker 1: it that you wanted and the experience that you wanted,
Speaker 1: that's good. And that's that's the biggest things. I think
Speaker 1: Guys just kind of have to look at this as
Speaker 1: is hunting going to be a part of my life?
Speaker 1: You know? Is it gonna be something that I want
Speaker 1: to do for the long term and to bring my
Speaker 1: kids up in and my family or my friends, or
Speaker 1: is it just something that I want. I just want
Speaker 1: recognition for killing the biggest stuff out that scrap perspective
Speaker 1: right there, man, Like that's yeah, what are you what
Speaker 1: are you trying to get? And it's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: do you want to do it for your whole life
Speaker 1: and then enjoy it? Don't put distressing yourself on it
Speaker 1: that you're not gonna you're only gonna kill one animal
Speaker 1: every three or four or five or six years, because
Speaker 1: you're only gonna draw that that special tag that often.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, man, just there's so many like and
Speaker 1: there's so many options if you if we continue to
Speaker 1: go down like just specifically in the West, there's so
Speaker 1: many I've I've I had a outfitted elkhun and Evanston,
Speaker 1: Wyoming with my dad a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 1: we just were like, men, let's just grab a leftover
Speaker 1: Anaalo tag and Wyoming because we're gonna be driving through there.
Speaker 1: Let's just grab a leftover tag and we'll tackle on
Speaker 1: two or three extra days in our hunts so if
Speaker 1: we can get it done. We grabbed uh two leftover
Speaker 1: tags right near Lusk, Wyoming, which is up in the
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere, and all us on the South Dakota
Speaker 1: border and um eastern central Wyoming. No research. We had
Speaker 1: a couple of maps, went out there with a garment,
Speaker 1: GPS and a map, drive to the first piece of
Speaker 1: state ground and a unit where they said they were
Speaker 1: almost no antelope and we had almost we had like
Speaker 1: a ninety six percent chance of failure and shot two
Speaker 1: bucks on the first piece of mile long state ground
Speaker 1: that we came to. Was that luck fux, Yes it was,
Speaker 1: but but we just we just did it, and we didn't.
Speaker 1: We had no expectations other than we'll see some cool country.
Speaker 1: We gotta be there anyway, Let's see if we can
Speaker 1: get it into know if you're going into a trophy
Speaker 1: area and then it's like, oh, a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1: That's a big buck. But is that the biggest buck?
Speaker 1: You know? What am I gonna get out of it? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then in the case where you're just like flipping
Speaker 1: the coin to see if they're even be an antelope
Speaker 1: anywhere around where you're gonna be. Um, that's how it is.
Speaker 1: And then we we spent a couple other days just
Speaker 1: riding around that unit looking for for antalope, just checking
Speaker 1: it out, and didn't see. Maybe we've probably saw fifty
Speaker 1: antelope in two days out other than the two that
Speaker 1: we shot. So you know, the chances were we weren't
Speaker 1: gonna get bucks, but we did. So it's cool and
Speaker 1: take the chance man, that experience for my dad and
Speaker 1: I'll be when we remember forever. We talked about it
Speaker 1: all the time. So it's worth rolling than dice. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's the long game, you know. It's something that you
Speaker 1: can do God willing forever, you know, as long as
Speaker 1: our rights don't get taken away. So why why are
Speaker 1: we in such a rush? You know? And I don't
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of it too, but it's like why do
Speaker 1: I want so much so fast? You know? Um? I
Speaker 1: think we just need to slow down and just realize
Speaker 1: this is this is part of our culture and our
Speaker 1: heritage and our lifestyle. And that's what I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: with my life is just hunt and gather and and
Speaker 1: enjoy it. You know. Yeah, you know it's a that
Speaker 1: it becomes a craft, right, becomes the craft instead of
Speaker 1: something that you just do to get to get the
Speaker 1: result of the adulation or whatever it is that you're after. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A friend of mine that I just met here with
Speaker 1: his boys there that I introduced Remy to, he was
Speaker 1: he brought up my my younger brother, boyd, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's like, it's so cool how your brother is
Speaker 1: more than just a hunter. You know. He's out there
Speaker 1: trapping beavers and I saw that his daughter made a
Speaker 1: knife sheath out of the beaver tail that they had trapped.
Speaker 1: And then he's out there making arrows and doing us
Speaker 1: and he's like, your brother, it's really his life, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's his lifestyle. Like man, he's been like that since
Speaker 1: he was twelve. You know. There's more to it than
Speaker 1: just just going out on a hunt. There's all these
Speaker 1: little nuances that are that are related to hunting, and
Speaker 1: then the nuances that are related to the nuances that
Speaker 1: just create this overall general lifestyle that is that I
Speaker 1: think is pretty dangn cool. Yeah so do. I mean
Speaker 1: that's it's making those like it's for people that watch
Speaker 1: and listen, and making those things cool was important. Like
Speaker 1: making those things just as trendy is going out and
Speaker 1: killing a big bull like that. Those things are those
Speaker 1: things are key because it's it's those little things that
Speaker 1: you come to you come to appreciate, like pickling the
Speaker 1: gizzard off. You know, if a fucking duck or something,
Speaker 1: it's like just as cool as pick pickled duck is.
Speaker 1: Do you like that or anymore? I've never had a
Speaker 1: pickled duck gizzard? It sounds good, though. I had one
Speaker 1: of Ronella's house the other day. It's pretty good. It's
Speaker 1: pretty good. Or maybe it was a Goose gives or
Speaker 1: one of the one of the two. I just like
Speaker 1: them in butter and onions. Yeah. Well, um, I'm you're
Speaker 1: gonna you guys have to bear with me. I'm testing
Speaker 1: out some segments, right. I don't normally we just talking
Speaker 1: bullshit like we're you know, like we're doing now. But
Speaker 1: I'm testing out segments to see if people want to
Speaker 1: hear like actual uh directed conversation or they just want
Speaker 1: to hear bullshit. UM. So the first segment that I'm
Speaker 1: working on, it's called first Timers. And you gotta you guys,
Speaker 1: gotta tell me. We're gonna start with your first car.
Speaker 1: Just describe your first vehicle, who gave it to you,
Speaker 1: and h the experience from me. Take it away. You're
Speaker 1: in if you paint the picture. If you knew me.
Speaker 1: When I got my first car, it was called the
Speaker 1: Rambo truck. It was a lifted nineteen five single cab
Speaker 1: dodge ram with uh. It was painted bass, was a
Speaker 1: matt Tan and I did my own desert camo on it,
Speaker 1: right as you would Rambo. And it was lifted. I
Speaker 1: think I had I had five on it, um and
Speaker 1: and no, no sissy step you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If you didn't have a mullet and a cowboy hat,
Speaker 1: this start right. And I had a toolbox in the
Speaker 1: back that um that I could lock and put my
Speaker 1: bow in or whatever, um guns, whatever. And then I
Speaker 1: got a caravan key Emperor shell for it, but I'd
Speaker 1: already cammed it, so I did. Then I painted the
Speaker 1: whole thing um like green, and then had the caravan
Speaker 1: camper on it. So it was like like like an
Speaker 1: olive green like slick looking and not matt it was.
Speaker 1: It was a more shiny finish, had a little bit
Speaker 1: of sheen to it, and that truck was just an
Speaker 1: off road east You got it when you're sixteen. When
Speaker 1: I was seventeen, because I wait, oh well that was
Speaker 1: a thing. I had the option of driving when I
Speaker 1: was sixteen or getting uh Winchester three hund short mags.
Speaker 1: So I used my money to Chester in a short
Speaker 1: mag because I was like, I can continue to borrow vehicles,
Speaker 1: but I can't borrow Winchester three w s M which
Speaker 1: had just come out, and I wanted that gun went
Speaker 1: browning able stainless Stalker three WSM for the price of
Speaker 1: a year. That Now, when you're taking ladies on dates
Speaker 1: during those years, you would how would you get them
Speaker 1: up in the truck? Would you have to it was
Speaker 1: like a jump thing. Would you have to tell them
Speaker 1: to jump? Or like would you put your hand down
Speaker 1: when they step in your hand to get up in there?
Speaker 1: Push them by their butt? Yeah, push them in there?
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, it just it just depends. Like I'd
Speaker 1: drive up to a hill or like um, you know,
Speaker 1: and then actually women actually had to give my neighbor
Speaker 1: I would give her rights to uh school as well,
Speaker 1: and like at one point you just like screw it
Speaker 1: and just like kept a step ladder on the back
Speaker 1: like a step but yeah, right about how long did
Speaker 1: you keep the Rambow truck? Um? I had that until
Speaker 1: I was probably twenty something because well, when the gas
Speaker 1: prices started going up, it just got when gas was
Speaker 1: under a dollar accounton, it was super easy to like
Speaker 1: it didn't really matter. Were around the same age when
Speaker 1: I got my when I got my license, like eighty
Speaker 1: five cents again, so and then it jacked up to
Speaker 1: about two bucks and you get like six miles to
Speaker 1: the gallon and can't fit anybody else in it. So
Speaker 1: then I got um uh, I got a what are
Speaker 1: they like from one of those police auctions where they
Speaker 1: like repo stolen whatever. I got a like a Forward
Speaker 1: Ranger at one of those for fourteen hundred bucks, and
Speaker 1: it was like pretty new. It was pretty solid deal.
Speaker 1: I had a Ford Ranger that was my second, a
Speaker 1: Ford Ranger Edge like two thousand two maybe, Like, did
Speaker 1: you have the step side? I did have the step
Speaker 1: side because red that wasn't red. I was black. Mine
Speaker 1: was red, not because I wanted red, but that's that's
Speaker 1: what I got. Yeah, you're a flash type of guy.
Speaker 1: Red step side and it was low like I went
Speaker 1: from I could have drove over this forward Ranger in
Speaker 1: my other truck, but it was it was an offer
Speaker 1: Red Beast too, like they were pretty good. I wanted
Speaker 1: a little bit smaller vehicle to navigate the hills, a
Speaker 1: little bit rangers. Man, they'll kick out, kick ass off
Speaker 1: for dude, right, Tim, What what about you? So mine?
Speaker 1: I don't know what year. It was, like a nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty or eighty two Toyo to pick up the small
Speaker 1: ones whatever they were called way back then. It was
Speaker 1: it actually, I think used to be my grandfather's truck,
Speaker 1: and then my parents ended up with the truck at
Speaker 1: some point, but it was broken down in the backyard.
Speaker 1: The muffler was off, there was no hood on the thing,
Speaker 1: and um my dad said, if you can get that
Speaker 1: truck running, then you can drive that to school, And
Speaker 1: so me and my brothers went out. We ended up
Speaker 1: getting this truck running, but it didn't have a hood,
Speaker 1: so I would drive it to school with no muffler
Speaker 1: on it. It was the loudest thing that you could
Speaker 1: ever imagine. Yeah, it's like, oh, here comes the Burnetts
Speaker 1: in the in the Toyota. So in shop class, UM,
Speaker 1: I got this idea that I wanted to build some
Speaker 1: bumpers for it. So Mr Roach he found me some
Speaker 1: like nine inch round steel that I made these bumpers,
Speaker 1: and I remember the rear bumper weighed like three hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty pounds or something. The front bumper was just
Speaker 1: this giant, you know, bar of steel, and I just
Speaker 1: welded it to the brackets. Um. And I had that
Speaker 1: truck for about two months. My brothers and I were
Speaker 1: out bahing in the backfield and the battery bounced out
Speaker 1: or something landed on the boat or just zapped and
Speaker 1: just blew up the entire thing. And so that truck
Speaker 1: was pretty short lived. Under my rerange. You didn't you
Speaker 1: didn't put the batter well, you know, I had the
Speaker 1: hood that I was messing with in shop class, and
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to get the dance out of it,
Speaker 1: so I just filled it with putty and so it
Speaker 1: was just all cracked and broken, and so pretty much
Speaker 1: of the time we just left the hood off, so
Speaker 1: it's pretty pretty red neck ish. What year was that then? Yea,
Speaker 1: like a you have like did you have a mullet?
Speaker 1: Were you full redneck? Or look at I was the
Speaker 1: butch kid because we grow growing up on the farm.
Speaker 1: Mom cut our hair or grandma cut our hair, and
Speaker 1: there was enough of us boys that it had to
Speaker 1: be an event that didn't happen very often. So they
Speaker 1: shaved us all the way down like they would have sheep,
Speaker 1: and we were We would wear that for you know,
Speaker 1: a month or two and then we'd get shaved again.
Speaker 1: You know. So this shavy like a shape that was
Speaker 1: my hair do until I think junior high. I finally
Speaker 1: wore a spike hair do because one of my buddies
Speaker 1: had a flat top. I wanted a flat top, but
Speaker 1: mom couldn't figure out how to you know, you butcher it.
Speaker 1: So it's just it was like a round, spiky flat top. Remy,
Speaker 1: I gotta hear about your what's your like high school
Speaker 1: attire memories like what's your what's your signature? Look? You
Speaker 1: have to have like oh man, we'll signature look. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I was jeans and anything that didn't have
Speaker 1: the sogo on it. Yeah, I was really weird about
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be I couldn't fit into any logo.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm look, I'm not a Nike. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I would. I don't know, maybe I
Speaker 1: have like a I think I wore vests. I now
Speaker 1: I won't even put a vest on. You're kind of
Speaker 1: a vest guy. But I got to pick vest thing
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't. I I wore the vest a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, and then I just I can't invest it
Speaker 1: up anymore. My sister in law is in like high fashion,
Speaker 1: and she told me third piece, third piece, which means
Speaker 1: like it's a scarf like Scott, so you can maybe
Speaker 1: start wearing an ascot the third pieces like a It's
Speaker 1: a very big deal in the fashion world. So I thought,
Speaker 1: I'll just wear a vest, my third pieces the hat.
Speaker 1: And I woren a hat every day since I was
Speaker 1: eight years old. Isn't that weird? Pretty much? I don't
Speaker 1: know if I've ever not, Like, you don't even recognize
Speaker 1: a podcast to turn someone to take your hat off,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I just don't. But I've had
Speaker 1: it's a weird thing to think, like I've had a
Speaker 1: beard since I was eighteen. And I started shaving when
Speaker 1: I was twelve. And then I've had a like my
Speaker 1: parents wouldn't let me have, but it wasn't it was
Speaker 1: kind of whispy, you know when you're thirteen four team
Speaker 1: and then and then yeah and then a hat. You know.
Speaker 1: I would take it off for school, but as soon
Speaker 1: as I back in Little Rambo came on, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would park. I would park off the I wouldn't park
Speaker 1: at school because I would never have a truck that
Speaker 1: didn't have a gun in it. Like I always thought
Speaker 1: that was sacrilegious, like to have a to have a
Speaker 1: truck that does And I had the gun rack in
Speaker 1: the back, but I didn't put gun and unless I
Speaker 1: was once I was booty bash and then it was
Speaker 1: guns and back, you know. But I think I thought
Speaker 1: it was like sacrilegious to have like a good truck
Speaker 1: that didn't have a gun. I don't think that was
Speaker 1: an issue at our school. I don't ever remember. I
Speaker 1: mean we had gun racks in the truck and everything.
Speaker 1: Definitely an issue in my school was because I was
Speaker 1: I feel like I was coming up like coming of
Speaker 1: Asian High School right around the Columbine thing. So I
Speaker 1: was with the happy recipient of all the restrictions of
Speaker 1: all the ship they were trying to do after Columbine.
Speaker 1: And so there was like we couldn't wear jackets in
Speaker 1: the hallways when I was, you couldn't wear like a
Speaker 1: long jacket or a jacket. You had to get you
Speaker 1: had to get a pass to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 1: It's like I couldn't have a gun anywhere near school,
Speaker 1: let alone in your truck. See, my elementary school was
Speaker 1: at the time out it's outside of Reno, and it
Speaker 1: was a lot small now towns like moved out to
Speaker 1: that area. But where I went to elementary school on
Speaker 1: I think it was it was probably I don't know
Speaker 1: what grade you ten, about fourth or fifth grade or whatever.
Speaker 1: For show and tell, I brought my single shot four
Speaker 1: ten and the principles. The only thing was don't bring
Speaker 1: it loaded, like my dad had to be. Like my
Speaker 1: dad came in and like dropped it. He's like, you
Speaker 1: can't keep it here, but you can bring it in
Speaker 1: for that and just couldn't be loaded, you know. And
Speaker 1: I went over the check. Yeah, we checked it, and
Speaker 1: I did the show and tell and told the class
Speaker 1: like never pointed anything you don't intend to kill, like
Speaker 1: you know, first hunting experience two years earlier with the
Speaker 1: fourth single shot four ten, Like this isn't that funny? Like, well,
Speaker 1: you could never do that today When we were kids,
Speaker 1: we talked about it on another podcast I did, but
Speaker 1: they used to at a certain period of time in
Speaker 1: the fifth grade I think or ex grade, it was like, well,
Speaker 1: now it's on our safety time, you know, this week
Speaker 1: and so within in the school as you go and
Speaker 1: you do hunter safety, driver's education was the same way.
Speaker 1: It's like it's time, everybody's gonna go do it. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean in Pennsylvania and Maryland, like like they you
Speaker 1: get off for opening day right season, you got off school.
Speaker 1: You're off school like the day before I think, and
Speaker 1: the day at like the Friday and the Monday maybe
Speaker 1: something like that. I can't remember. That was spud harvest
Speaker 1: for us. Now you're now you're being Idaho and you know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean we we get off school for
Speaker 1: opening day, like open day hunting season. You got off school.
Speaker 1: You like that is you cannot imagine that right now.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking I'm thirty three, I'm not talking
Speaker 1: like a long long time ago. It's not that long ago,
Speaker 1: but things so fast and so you know, it's just weird.
Speaker 1: And there's still are places like where Kim grew up.
Speaker 1: They probably haven't changed too much. No, they've changed it now.
Speaker 1: They go to school four days a week instead of five.
Speaker 1: They don't do hunter safety in school anymore. Um, they
Speaker 1: don't do driver's ed in school anymore. But I think
Speaker 1: they still let you out for spud harvest. You gotta
Speaker 1: keep that traditional. Must be hard. But the school, I
Speaker 1: think the school is probably the same size. There's been
Speaker 1: no growth, it's just different people, you know, the ones
Speaker 1: that stayed alive. Well, my next the next part of
Speaker 1: this was first rifle. But we so we already know
Speaker 1: Remy's first rifle. No, that wasn't my first. That was
Speaker 1: your first rifle. Give us first rifle. The first rifle
Speaker 1: I ever received was a youth model Remington's seven two
Speaker 1: three topped with a Burris three to nine. Um, no,
Speaker 1: not Burris Bush now. And you know I give bush
Speaker 1: Noll a lot of ship. That's that scope privately given
Speaker 1: just when you're out there just whatever. But yeah, that
Speaker 1: was that was a good scope. I still have that
Speaker 1: that set up that rifle set up that way, I
Speaker 1: was gonna swap it out, maybe put a new new
Speaker 1: stock on it and short barrel. It's got the open
Speaker 1: sites but scope over the top. Yeah, yeah, it is
Speaker 1: good and I should do that anymore. Any any companies
Speaker 1: advertised the the open sites and the scope out of
Speaker 1: the top, the open rings, Yes, Socco does they still. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've got well they're bigger boar rifles, but you can
Speaker 1: order them because of the European running games situation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you what, man, you can shoot really
Speaker 1: accurate with some open sites. I'm thinking about just going
Speaker 1: open sights on some rife from open sites. How much
Speaker 1: more fun is it with a rifle to stock in?
Speaker 1: You know? The long range thing I've I've done. I
Speaker 1: mean I was in that crowd that was like pioneering
Speaker 1: and long range let me tell you. But once you've
Speaker 1: done it, now you're kind of thinking. And I remember
Speaker 1: when I just used to hunt with open sites, and
Speaker 1: I also had about the same time I had an
Speaker 1: open site, so it was kind of I would whap
Speaker 1: on my first deer hunt, taking the open site thirty
Speaker 1: thirty and the scope to forty three depending on the type.
Speaker 1: Of terrain that I was going because if I was
Speaker 1: in the tall stage, we're busting up bucks, We're going,
Speaker 1: we're swinging level. Yeah. I started hunt with a hawking
Speaker 1: uh fifty cow freaking passion roundball, spitting on the patch,
Speaker 1: dump the powder, put the roundball in with a little starter,
Speaker 1: you know. That's how I started runs. It was open
Speaker 1: sites for quite a while until I got my first
Speaker 1: rifle with a scope rifle at least um, So that's
Speaker 1: how it started for me. What about you, Tim? Was
Speaker 1: I used Dad's had a Winchester thirty thirty lever action,
Speaker 1: but I used on my first two deer actually um
Speaker 1: and then he had also a two twenty three over
Speaker 1: under hinge action twenty gauge, I believe, UM. And I
Speaker 1: killed a couple of deer with that when I was
Speaker 1: Stevens or I want to say Thompson, but I don't
Speaker 1: really know for sure. Um, and it had another had
Speaker 1: one of those you know bronze the burrist hopes on
Speaker 1: it or whatever it was. So I kind of went
Speaker 1: back and forth between those. And then when I was
Speaker 1: a senior in high school, I bought a gun from
Speaker 1: the neighbor down the street from bart Wanstrom. It was
Speaker 1: a thirty. It was a thirty excuse me, a thirty
Speaker 1: at six pump. Remington's no scope and he sent me
Speaker 1: a ten shot clip with it. So, um, I remember
Speaker 1: the first time I thought, I'm gonna go out and
Speaker 1: just run through this clip as fast as I can
Speaker 1: with this pump action thirty at six, And that didn't
Speaker 1: feel very good. Dad is here? He just walked. I
Speaker 1: had another set of headphones. Podcast guest. That's the guy.
Speaker 1: He's got. He's got some wild stories. He doesn't say
Speaker 1: right now, they're sure we're telling the truth. He's going
Speaker 1: to tell stories that Remy doesn't even remember. I'm sure. Well,
Speaker 1: let's see, the Rambo truck was originally his truck. He
Speaker 1: he that was our hunting truck, and then that got
Speaker 1: passed down. So it's a long line of loving like
Speaker 1: Rambo big trucks. I named it. You have to you
Speaker 1: have to name a truck. But okay, is this here's
Speaker 1: here's a question. What was the name of your first
Speaker 1: truck or the names of your vehicles? And can you
Speaker 1: name a new vehicle. It's hard to name a new vehicle.
Speaker 1: But if you want to have a personal relationship with
Speaker 1: the vehicle. You kind of have to give it a name.
Speaker 1: I name my guns too. I name my guns I
Speaker 1: have only but like a gun to get a name
Speaker 1: for me has to have like a lifetime of female
Speaker 1: or male name. Yeah, so my I only have one
Speaker 1: gun that I actually that has a name. But I
Speaker 1: could name my shotgun, but I just haven't. What's the
Speaker 1: gun that has a name? Canna? Yes? Sorry, um, but Hannah,
Speaker 1: I mean, Hannah is just a bad bitch. Hannah shot it, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I mean I use it hunting for myself, and
Speaker 1: then I also used as my guide gun, like giving
Speaker 1: to other people, and I've taken it all over the world.
Speaker 1: I mean that gun shoots great. Still, like I haven't
Speaker 1: shot the barrel out for somehow, and I don't even
Speaker 1: know that that gun just you just point what you
Speaker 1: wanted to knock over and it's like a clean kill
Speaker 1: every time. I think I killed my stag in my target. Yeah. Sweet,
Speaker 1: very few of my friends have not rude here. Well, sorry, honey, Um,
Speaker 1: you gotta named guns to I don't name him. I
Speaker 1: named my kids. Yeah, And I did name the Solorado
Speaker 1: that was you know, I had that truck for fifteen years.
Speaker 1: I named the Solorado, but she since gone away. So
Speaker 1: my first, my first vehicle. Listeners will of course know this.
Speaker 1: My first vehicle was a called a Summit Eagle, but
Speaker 1: it was like a car van. It was like a
Speaker 1: little sound van. It was a bit it was a
Speaker 1: bit rape. It was like periwinkle blue, and it had
Speaker 1: like it looked like if you cut it in half,
Speaker 1: you'd have like a sedan on one half and the
Speaker 1: back half was like a van. So we just called
Speaker 1: it the car van. And I mean you could fall
Speaker 1: the seats down, you do a lot of stuff with
Speaker 1: this thing. Your hearsed. For some reason, it was it
Speaker 1: was like a hearse Oh yeah, yeah, I have to
Speaker 1: I have to google it show he goes. It looks
Speaker 1: like it's very impressive vehicle. But but I I drove
Speaker 1: that for a man, probably two or three years. Of course,
Speaker 1: I hadhered that from my brother who inhered it from
Speaker 1: my grandfather. So it wasn't it had a bit of
Speaker 1: a reputation, didn't have a name, It didn't really the
Speaker 1: car van. It was a Summit Eagle. That was very
Speaker 1: I'm not embarrassed by it, but it could have been better.
Speaker 1: It could it could have done better. So no other
Speaker 1: vehicle names, just no new names, not like any No.
Speaker 1: I thought about name of my new truck, but I
Speaker 1: just didn't feel it. I just didn't feel right. I
Speaker 1: didn't feel like it had any history to it. Later on,
Speaker 1: if I give it to my kids, Yeah, maybe I'll
Speaker 1: give it to my kid in fifteen years and he'll
Speaker 1: he'll name it something. We had the Rambo truck, the Scorpion,
Speaker 1: which was a nineteen eighty land Cruiser. It was Scorpion
Speaker 1: because we had a gambrel game hoist on the back.
Speaker 1: I mean that thing was tricked out for off road.
Speaker 1: Then the Beasts, which was an F two fifty in
Speaker 1: the style of Rambo truck. Your dad like you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my dad just build. He built, like that's his hobby,
Speaker 1: is just making off road vehicles. Has lifted his truck yet, No,
Speaker 1: because he that's because he's got his Like he just
Speaker 1: like gets project cars, I guess, and like makes him
Speaker 1: into something cool and gets rid of him. And then
Speaker 1: again and again, like the stories that I like, I've
Speaker 1: heard about your mom and her game spotting abilities and
Speaker 1: then now your dad, Like I feel like you had
Speaker 1: like the most badass parents. Yeah, like these are this
Speaker 1: is a top shelf experience of experience. Yet you've done
Speaker 1: You've done well? Yeah, done well? Um. I think that's
Speaker 1: it for the first things. I think that, uh, that
Speaker 1: covers pretty much like that. You think that should be
Speaker 1: like a regular recurring situation. If you got a guess
Speaker 1: like Rammy, you know, they really could tell goods stories.
Speaker 1: We got a good storyteller, I wouldn't done. People don't
Speaker 1: wanted to hear my first every fucking every episode, I
Speaker 1: gotta say the same thing and we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1: The other one I just think about is um like
Speaker 1: hacks hunting, hacks, like ship that you do that no
Speaker 1: one knows that that you've just developed over the years.
Speaker 1: I'm sure both you guys, being solo hunters and run
Speaker 1: around by yourself, have developed things that like there, you
Speaker 1: had a problem and you solved it, and you solved
Speaker 1: it in a way that is repeatable for other folks.
Speaker 1: Something in your pack, something in your truck, some kind
Speaker 1: of trick of your trade that that you'd be willing
Speaker 1: to share with the audience. I feel like I have
Speaker 1: a lot of them. But just to think of, just
Speaker 1: think of one year on the spot. Okay, um, well,
Speaker 1: this is. I mean, it depends like if I'm filming,
Speaker 1: like I've got a million different hacks for hunting and filming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: give us the I mean, yeah, that's perfect because you
Speaker 1: know what this is, the hunting and filming yourself. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this is just a hunting hack that if
Speaker 1: you don't do this, you're an idiot. Here, here's here's
Speaker 1: it's more of a rule, like a bow hunting rule.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people have this rule,
Speaker 1: but there's some that don't. And I've been on hunts
Speaker 1: with people don't have this rule and spit them in
Speaker 1: the ask. When you're bow hunting, your release is either
Speaker 1: on your bow or on your wrist. There is no
Speaker 1: other place that release goes. It doesn't go in your pocket,
Speaker 1: doesn't go in the seat of the truck, it doesn't
Speaker 1: when you go the bathroom. It doesn't get put anywhere else.
Speaker 1: Because I know, there's nothing worse than hiking in four
Speaker 1: miles somewhere, especially when you're guiding and you go, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a bowl bugling down there and the guy goes,
Speaker 1: I don't know where my releases that it's just it's
Speaker 1: a pet with like a thumb release or like a
Speaker 1: lot of these, you know, the ones that Dudley's putting
Speaker 1: out there, Carter puts out there. Um, you have to
Speaker 1: kind of you know, when I leave the house to
Speaker 1: go to work, I go to ease while it phone.
Speaker 1: Like when I when I any time I take any
Speaker 1: break in hunting, I'm usually going like release. I would
Speaker 1: total paper, would put a parachord on that and strap
Speaker 1: it to my something. Yeah, I don't know that's actually
Speaker 1: put it around your wrist. I don't know, but there's
Speaker 1: some releases out there that aren't attached. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: to your wrist anymore, then you're going to have an
Speaker 1: uphill battle for the rest of your life. Risk of release.
Speaker 1: I've used for the last since I started hunting a
Speaker 1: Scott mongoose. I guess it's probably I think twelve years old.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's that's maybe that's a suggested hack for listeners, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: figuring it out. Yeah, I mean, now, okay, create a system.
Speaker 1: And I also when I'm in the hills, I have
Speaker 1: a system so my like you keep things in the
Speaker 1: same pockets so when I get up, I can do
Speaker 1: a quick pat and I know if I have everything
Speaker 1: or if I set my phone down, or you get
Speaker 1: in the habit of doing the hack hack Pat Black,
Speaker 1: Pat be paranoid about the stuff that's in your pockets,
Speaker 1: like I gotta have my I'm always like I gotta
Speaker 1: have my where's my garment? Where's my always paranoid, paranoid paranoise.
Speaker 1: Once you change it, that's when things go so especially
Speaker 1: if you're running on X nowadays and your phone is
Speaker 1: like your lifeline in a lot of ways exactly. You know,
Speaker 1: get one of those d clips or something, clip it
Speaker 1: to something, make sure you have it where you can't
Speaker 1: fall out. Um, because we were hunting in one I
Speaker 1: I had the I was I was running the FHS
Speaker 1: bino harness, and the freaking thing broke and my yeah
Speaker 1: a long time for this prototype loophole binness fell right
Speaker 1: out of my right out of my biny harness and
Speaker 1: into the dirt and then gone forever. Probably some local
Speaker 1: picks them up seusing them now. But they were good.
Speaker 1: I like those things. Yeah, that happens. Tim, you got
Speaker 1: a particular hack that you'd like to prescribe, I don't
Speaker 1: along those lines. I keep I try to keep everything
Speaker 1: in the same pocket all the time, you know, Or
Speaker 1: the same if I change packs, it's always in the
Speaker 1: same general. Yeah, case into the filming conversation, because you
Speaker 1: guys do it so much, you do it on your own. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get asked that a lot, and I think because
Speaker 1: we do it so often that I don't really think
Speaker 1: about what I do that's different than what anybody else
Speaker 1: might do. It's more just repetitive nature and doing the
Speaker 1: exact same thing for so long. I'm just kind of
Speaker 1: having a system of of where everything goes. You know.
Speaker 1: The cameras always set up, regardless of if it's in
Speaker 1: my pack or on the tripod. It's it's all we
Speaker 1: set up where it needs to be. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to say. It's it's more just repeat, repeat, repeat,
Speaker 1: um getting comfortable with it. If something changes and that's
Speaker 1: what that's where in your mind goes and you start
Speaker 1: screwing up. So have you developed over the years with
Speaker 1: types of cameras are using or what the types of
Speaker 1: tripods are using to film yourself? Yeah, I think the
Speaker 1: biggest transition was when we kind of moved from using
Speaker 1: just a handicam to a DSLR or I did I
Speaker 1: did earlier than Rammy I think you're still using that
Speaker 1: handicam a little bit, aren't you know? I went DSLR before,
Speaker 1: or you went DSLR, but then I went to hand
Speaker 1: I reversed because I didn't have Yeah, so I went
Speaker 1: handicam when I got that new Yeah, long story, but
Speaker 1: yeah handicam. So you run a DSLR now, yeah, Well
Speaker 1: I run every I carry four cameras and I've got
Speaker 1: six hands. To frustrate the editor because he'll use four
Speaker 1: different cameras and then just give me a hard drive
Speaker 1: and say you should you should be able to figure
Speaker 1: out the order of everything. It's cool. My system is
Speaker 1: when I'm stalking on something, I set the tripod up
Speaker 1: ahead of time. That's that's the hard part. Set and
Speaker 1: have the camera running. I like it, And don't let
Speaker 1: your release clink on the tripod. Yeah, I always hold
Speaker 1: my release in my hand with the tripod and these
Speaker 1: two fingers release. It's hard. I'll bet there's a lot
Speaker 1: of little things that we do that if we thought
Speaker 1: about it, if other people might not think about it.
Speaker 1: But because we've done it so much, it's what I
Speaker 1: should start doing. Is like I filmed the stock while
Speaker 1: I'm stalking, so I set the camera up, I crawled forward.
Speaker 1: I crawled back. Most of the time when I get
Speaker 1: in on a deer, I've stalked it three times. What
Speaker 1: I should do is just b s it and stalk
Speaker 1: it after the but you never do it. You'll never
Speaker 1: go back and do it, so you have to do
Speaker 1: it when you do it. Otherwise, what what you do
Speaker 1: different is like because I edit your footage and he's
Speaker 1: not lying, like that's exactly how it is. He'll do
Speaker 1: a stock two or three different times, and um, I
Speaker 1: can't do that. I just have to turn on a
Speaker 1: camera somewhere so that there's a camera running somewhere while
Speaker 1: I'm moving and if it's just filming the dirt or
Speaker 1: my feet or my head or whatever, like I'm always
Speaker 1: filming as I'm moving in. But I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: have the cohonas to to sneak in and sneak back out.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, man, nobody knows that it's
Speaker 1: thirty yards, but I just do it just because that's
Speaker 1: how I am. I'm like, but we've been talking about
Speaker 1: that a lot on this This is your program about
Speaker 1: how like honey is just the one thing if you're
Speaker 1: talking about sports. Somebody's watching you bullshit that if it's
Speaker 1: it's if the pluck goes in the gold pluck goes
Speaker 1: in the goal and hunting. You certainly like you're creating
Speaker 1: the narrative. I want to release sometime, which I probably should,
Speaker 1: um like just the raw footage in its in its
Speaker 1: original time code, so someone could look at and say,
Speaker 1: who they didn't they didn't futch that you know that
Speaker 1: was recorded before the kill happened, you know. And and
Speaker 1: there's times too when I'm editing that I put it
Speaker 1: together and then I feel like it needs something, and
Speaker 1: so I'll look to a piece that might be three
Speaker 1: days after or three days before and pull that piece
Speaker 1: in to kind of make it flow a little bit
Speaker 1: better just from a cinematic standpoint, But well, how do
Speaker 1: you tell a two weeks story in twenty two minutes?
Speaker 1: Makes sense? You have to pull from other things, but
Speaker 1: you know, you have to get all that stuff while
Speaker 1: you're yeah, because one stock, you know, you might be
Speaker 1: able to only show one of the twenty three stocks,
Speaker 1: but you need you need pieces that show that one stock,
Speaker 1: and it might be three spots stocks combined when you're editing,
Speaker 1: but they were all one to stop something usually but
Speaker 1: sometimes usually not Usually it's all depends how like aggressive
Speaker 1: I mean filming. I think our philosophy all along has been, um,
Speaker 1: we're not out there to create a film, or we're
Speaker 1: not out there to create a hunt. We're out there
Speaker 1: to document and experience your document a hunt. And so
Speaker 1: I think all along we've always put the episodes together
Speaker 1: in the order that it happened and as it happened, regardless.
Speaker 1: You know, So the first stock that Remy blew, it
Speaker 1: might have been the best footage, you know, where he
Speaker 1: sets up the tripod and the deer's on the other
Speaker 1: ridge and he sneaks up and pops up in frame.
Speaker 1: You know, that might be the best footage. And then
Speaker 1: the kill shot might have been nothing. You know, it
Speaker 1: might not have been any filler foot But that's just
Speaker 1: the way it is. We use the cool stuff when
Speaker 1: it happened, and the reality of the kill as it happens. Well,
Speaker 1: that might be a good way to close this one
Speaker 1: out so we can get back to winning. She hunts
Speaker 1: best solo Hunter story, like best you know, maybe not
Speaker 1: best episode, but the best store you have from your
Speaker 1: time filming yourself out outside. I'm sure, that's a laundry
Speaker 1: list of of things that you've done. But is there
Speaker 1: is there one tim that stands out that it just
Speaker 1: was just want one that kid mishap something crazy. Um
Speaker 1: So this year, I mean, I don't know. This year,
Speaker 1: I went went to Kodyak with a buddy of mine
Speaker 1: and we we camped together and we'd split off and
Speaker 1: hunt throughout the day. And as we left camp that morning,
Speaker 1: we wanted to go after some caribou. And once we
Speaker 1: got up to the this ridge and glass to where
Speaker 1: these caribou were, reindeer actually on on Kodiak. He's like, Uh,
Speaker 1: no way in hell I'm going that far, you know,
Speaker 1: to do. And I and I was in at that point.
Speaker 1: I was like, this first day, I want to go
Speaker 1: get one of those reindeer. I don't care. I can
Speaker 1: pack it out all day tomorrow. That's what with me.
Speaker 1: So we split up and I went out and went
Speaker 1: and did that, and the herd kept moving further and
Speaker 1: further away, and I end up anyway, I work in
Speaker 1: and I kill this reindeer and I back like I'm
Speaker 1: five miles from camp, you know, And I when when
Speaker 1: you're on that part of the island, it's really mus
Speaker 1: geggie and marshy and just really crappy to walk through.
Speaker 1: I acrossed a ditch that's, you know, chest deep, and
Speaker 1: I had to get the caribee back. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to have to do that twice, so I deboned everything,
Speaker 1: put it all on the pack, and just took it
Speaker 1: out in one trip. And the first it was like
Speaker 1: three yards to get to this creek and I got
Speaker 1: to there just fine, and then I actually got buried
Speaker 1: in the grass because I couldn't find my word the
Speaker 1: crossing because it's it's like if you can picture, it's
Speaker 1: like a canal bank where there's there's no there's no
Speaker 1: easy slope into it. It's just a drop off, deep
Speaker 1: water drop off back up. So I found this one
Speaker 1: one spot and I on the way back I couldn't
Speaker 1: find it. So I had to take off my pack
Speaker 1: unload everything until I found that, and then I had
Speaker 1: to ferry that across. Well, it took me like three
Speaker 1: hours just to get everything across the creek, and by
Speaker 1: then it's getting dark. Um, but there was no way
Speaker 1: I was gonna go back there. So that I think
Speaker 1: was just a really strenuous pack out that I was
Speaker 1: just laughing at myself the entire time, like what what
Speaker 1: are you doing? Just call Austin and have him come
Speaker 1: to help you, you know. But it was kind of
Speaker 1: just this this and like screw that, I gotta do this,
Speaker 1: and um we both actually walked into camp about midnight.
Speaker 1: He had a load of a blacktail and I had
Speaker 1: a load of caribou, and it was just that was
Speaker 1: like super super memorable. You know, that's that's most recent.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of them over the years. But I
Speaker 1: have holes in my brain. Cheese cheesy brain. I can't
Speaker 1: remember any cheese. I can't remember. No. I mean I
Speaker 1: think it. How has it changed you to do, you know,
Speaker 1: spend that much time by yourself out there film and
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I I would would admit to
Speaker 1: openly admit to being like, uh, being around people is
Speaker 1: as much what the hunting thing is for me as anything,
Speaker 1: So openly admit to me like I like hunting by myself.
Speaker 1: But I also you know, there's a lot of times
Speaker 1: where I'd love the big camps and big vibes, So like,
Speaker 1: how is that? How is it doing it this way
Speaker 1: kind of change your perspective? I think my preferences is
Speaker 1: to be with other people. You know. I like hunting
Speaker 1: alone for sure, but I love spending camp with people.
Speaker 1: But it's not you know, it's not the way that
Speaker 1: the things happen. It's not the way this the show went.
Speaker 1: And and um, the thing that I really enjoy about
Speaker 1: the solo part of it is it's really taught me
Speaker 1: some mental fortitude, you know. And I think it's it's
Speaker 1: made me um think about things differently, and it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of made me more stubborn in a lot of
Speaker 1: ways because now I look at every aspect of my
Speaker 1: life and I feel like I can do it on
Speaker 1: my own, you know. And and it's almost to a
Speaker 1: fault where you don't ask for help or you don't
Speaker 1: you don't accept help when it's offered. It's like, screw that,
Speaker 1: can I can do that, no problem. And part of
Speaker 1: that is really solid and good. In other parts of
Speaker 1: it is like maybe you need some help every once
Speaker 1: in a while. But I think for me, I like
Speaker 1: that part because when I do accomplish something like that,
Speaker 1: there is no other euphoric feeling in the world. When
Speaker 1: you walk into camp at midnight and you just hauled
Speaker 1: out a caribou, and you did it on your own.
Speaker 1: And whether it's an elk or you know, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: when you accomplish some thing on your own, that's on you.
Speaker 1: That's there's nobody else that can take take credit for that,
Speaker 1: you know, And so that's that is extremely fulfilling, extremely well.
Speaker 1: And then you get to share it with a bunch
Speaker 1: of people. Yeah, if you if you if you do
Speaker 1: it right, if you're filming it, if you do it right,
Speaker 1: is that a part of it for you too? That
Speaker 1: they always interests me, like the motivations once you film
Speaker 1: for a long time, kind of what you've been a
Speaker 1: content creator for a long time, Like how that how
Speaker 1: that like shifts your hunting motivations, whether it does or not,
Speaker 1: not saying that it does, but without a doubt. If
Speaker 1: if I'm not filming an event, um, I don't get
Speaker 1: as much out of it, just just and I've done it,
Speaker 1: you know, Like the biggest bowl I've killed bull elk
Speaker 1: I've killed. I didn't film it because I wanted to
Speaker 1: just go kill a big bull elk. And even though
Speaker 1: I got an awesome bowl, it felt unsatisfying because I
Speaker 1: really it would have really been an easy situation to
Speaker 1: film it, you know. Um So for me, undoubtedly I
Speaker 1: love the filming aspect of it. I love bringing it
Speaker 1: home and creating something that I feel is a value
Speaker 1: with that. I love sharing it. I love getting the feedback.
Speaker 1: You know. I like praise of of when something goes good,
Speaker 1: and and honestly I like negativity when it comes of, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe you could have done this different. Because you know,
Speaker 1: Remy and I had this conversation at lunch the other day.
Speaker 1: I continually want, like, I genuinely want to be better.
Speaker 1: I don't. I feel almost insecure at times because I
Speaker 1: want to be better at what I do, and when
Speaker 1: i'm if I'm not filming it, I have no form
Speaker 1: of reference to look back and say I can be better.
Speaker 1: You know, I can hunt better, I can film better,
Speaker 1: I can produce better. Now, I think it's it's it's
Speaker 1: for you too, Remy. I mean, I think it just
Speaker 1: once you've put content out there consistently and that's how
Speaker 1: you hunt, that's what you do. There's I feel like,
Speaker 1: there's just no there's no other way than to have
Speaker 1: it change you a little bit, to change your motivations,
Speaker 1: intrinsic extrinsic, whatever, you know, to to change the way
Speaker 1: that you see these types of things. You have thoughts
Speaker 1: on that, right, Yeah, No, I mean it definitely changes
Speaker 1: the way you look at things, especially because like bow
Speaker 1: hunting or whatever, it's hard to enough endeavor as it is.
Speaker 1: Then you add the filming aspect and the spot and
Speaker 1: stock and and it makes it so much more difficult.
Speaker 1: But now, like on some hunts, I've just been like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to film and I realized, wow, I
Speaker 1: am a much better hunter than I was because you
Speaker 1: have to pay attention to so much when you're filming.
Speaker 1: It's almost like it's too easy. When I'm not filming,
Speaker 1: it's a marathon with a weight vest on and then
Speaker 1: this handicap and you're like, I don't even know if
Speaker 1: I'm into this. As much as the filming adds such
Speaker 1: a challenge that it becomes more of like, okay, it's
Speaker 1: it's almost like going from bow hunting to traditional hunting
Speaker 1: or something like. It's it's that added challenge that you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I kind of crave this added challenge and it kind
Speaker 1: of lets you know, man, what like how much you've
Speaker 1: learned along the way, and by doing a task that's
Speaker 1: hard even and making it harder on yourself. And the
Speaker 1: other thing is just the self control thing of when
Speaker 1: I go on a hunt and I'm have the intent
Speaker 1: of filming it. If I don't have that intent of
Speaker 1: filming it and commit to it, I won't do it.
Speaker 1: So I have to say, no, matter what happens, I'm filming.
Speaker 1: And there's been hunts where the best, one of the best,
Speaker 1: dear in my life, I had to let go within
Speaker 1: bow range because I couldn't get the camera set up,
Speaker 1: and that is like, I still kick myself over that,
Speaker 1: but I also stoked that I really committed to it.
Speaker 1: I in some in some levels now I may never
Speaker 1: draw that tag again, and that really makes me sad.
Speaker 1: But um and somebody else shot that deer and that
Speaker 1: made me sad. But it just happens, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: I would say my uh, most memorable close out the
Speaker 1: most memorable solo story. All right. So I've done a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff, you know, solo in New Zealand, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, and I found this new spot and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go tar hunt. I load up my pack,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be gone for a while. I've got you know,
Speaker 1: when you're packing in for solo and filming. I've got
Speaker 1: two cameras, all their batteries, um recording, you know, audio stuff,
Speaker 1: batteries for that, batteries for this, battery, the whole the
Speaker 1: whole kit, plus my camping gear plus everything. My pack
Speaker 1: is extremely heavy. There's nothing it's and then you gotta think, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be packing something out. It's gonna be even heavier,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna probably do it in one trip because
Speaker 1: I just it's just a pain in me. Yes. So
Speaker 1: I find the spot. It's about a six mile arduous hike,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna film because the
Speaker 1: stuff is in my pack. I was like, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna film once I get, you know, six miles back,
Speaker 1: because just put your head down and grind sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: there will be plenty opportunity to film. So I get
Speaker 1: back there and it was a it was a gnarly hike.
Speaker 1: I'm back up on the mountaintop. I set up my
Speaker 1: camp and I did some filming and then I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there and I spot this bowl tar and I'm like, perfect, right,
Speaker 1: So I stashed some stuff in my tent and uh,
Speaker 1: and I go and I turned the camera around to
Speaker 1: film the tar, and I look and at splashing no
Speaker 1: memory and I'm like, oh, my card must be full.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a memory card in the camera. So
Speaker 1: I digged through my entire pack. No memory cards anywhere,
Speaker 1: none of no. I just was hitting record because I
Speaker 1: couldn't see the screen when I was sitting up camp
Speaker 1: and I had hiked all the way in there no
Speaker 1: memory cards with all my equipment, and I'm like, screw it.
Speaker 1: I just left everything the tent, went up, shot the tar,
Speaker 1: packed it out, loaded up my pack, and that was
Speaker 1: my punishment of just trudging back. I got some cellphone
Speaker 1: footage of it. I was like, yeah, I all the
Speaker 1: way up here just like and I literally was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna film this really well, and I'm just gonna commit.
Speaker 1: I think I had. I mean, I had all my
Speaker 1: big lenses. It was one of the heaviest packags I've
Speaker 1: ever had, and one of the heavy My pack was
Speaker 1: probably eighty pounds going in, Like I literally have like
Speaker 1: a long lens like this that lens, I don't even
Speaker 1: know what that thing. And I had think three lenses
Speaker 1: to cameras. I'm like I'm gonna go in and just
Speaker 1: do something I haven't done before. It's just like, not
Speaker 1: think go light. I'm gonna go on a backcountry hunt
Speaker 1: and and honestly just kill it this time. Just get footage.
Speaker 1: Nobody's got of these things like this sigma lens. And
Speaker 1: and then I had my spotting scope. I had all
Speaker 1: my ship. It was the heaviest. It was like packing
Speaker 1: an animal out in and then I shot an animal
Speaker 1: and backed out. It was that. That was a funny
Speaker 1: adventure that no one will share it. That reminds me
Speaker 1: of the time that we recorded a podcast with memory card.
Speaker 1: Of memory card that brings it right back home, back
Speaker 1: one of the first podcast ever about it was probably
Speaker 1: like a year ago. It was. It was a year
Speaker 1: ago next week, the year going next week, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I recorded probably the best outdoor podcast ever to
Speaker 1: be recorded. No one will ever lost files. I listened
Speaker 1: to the B file, I missed the A files. That's it. Well, boys,
Speaker 1: let's go win some cheap ons. You're down for that.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, Thanks appreciate it. So that's it.
Speaker 1: That's all. Episode number forty eight in the books. Remy
Speaker 1: and Tim, thank you for joining me here. At the
Speaker 1: Yettie booth, all these wonderful products yetie products. They're happy,
Speaker 1: you know, since I'm a former employee. I mean I
Speaker 1: think they're happy to have me around. Or maybe I'm
Speaker 1: just a murder who really knows um, But you guys know,
Speaker 1: Yettie they're great. Uh and Tim's great, Remy's great. What
Speaker 1: a good conversation. Appreciate those boys sitting in. Appreciate them
Speaker 1: tolerating my my discovery on segments of what works and
Speaker 1: what doesn't here on the podcasts are always trying to
Speaker 1: make things better. I know. If you learn a little
Speaker 1: bit about Western tags, a little bit about the life
Speaker 1: and times of these two interesting men, and you can
Speaker 1: follow them on Instagram. You can check out Solo Hunter.
Speaker 1: You can check out all Remy's work and all Tim's
Speaker 1: work all over the place in our industry and world.
Speaker 1: What else? What else? As always well, right now, we
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Speaker 1: this episode by saying, as always, thank you for listening. UM.
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Speaker 1: have been able to run into a lot of you
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Speaker 1: and it has been motivating and inspiring without trying to
Speaker 1: be too melodramatic, it's really is inspiring to talk to
Speaker 1: people UM about what they love to do and they're
Speaker 1: how they're affected by what we do. Uh. It's really
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