WEBVTT - Ep. 48: Tim Burnett & Remi Warren 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:07.560 Hey everybody, and welcome to another episode of The Hunting Collective. Man, 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:10.520 it's good to be podcasting again this week, and I'm 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:15.720 joined by Remy Warrant and Tim Bernett. You may know 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:19.760 both these gentlemen from the show Solo Hunter that appears 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:24.440 on the television and you watch it there. Um, they're both, 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:28.320 you know, outside of being involved in that television program, 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:31.800 both these guys are experienced hunters. Um, they know their 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:35.599 ship when it comes to Western hunting, and they've just 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:37.920 got a bunch of experience to share with us all. 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.120 So we're going to We're at the Sheep Show, We're 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.239 at the YETI booth, we're hanging out. Uh, it's a 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:46.520 great day. A lot of like minded folks walking around 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:50.920 this show, and we are enjoying a weekend in Reno, Divada, 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.920 which happens to be Remy's hometown and the home state 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:59.440 Mr Burnett. So, without further ado, Tim and Remy in 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:08.800 Reno enjoy Hey, Rabby Warren, what's up Ben over? Hey 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:13.120 man checking out the Sheep Show And it's in my 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.440 hometown of Reno, Neva from Nova. Yeah, this is my 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:22.440 stomping grounds where we did the Meat Eater podcast. Yesterday. Um, 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:26.759 I used to do hockey practice there in that same room, 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:30.039 and that room. Course of the is this when you 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:33.000 were how long ago? Was this like middle school age? 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.920 You're deep. You're deep in the reno years ago. Heay, Tim, 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.880 I am an implant of reno though. Oh yeah, I 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.440 feel a lot of pressure these I have Reno trivia 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:46.920 or something. We could have Reno trivia. The first thing 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:51.880 I would say is don't eat the purple parrot. The 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:53.840 purple parrot. No, what you guys said you had lunch 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:57.840 there yesterday. I didn't. That sounds We got We flew, 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.560 we flew in. We were it was late. We wanted sushi. 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:03.120 It turns out none of your sushi restaurants are open 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:07.600 past nine pm. Great sushi just down the street. Everywhere, 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.640 they're good sushi. But it was past nine pm. There 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.920 was no There was one place open according to the internet. 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.560 We went there and they turned us down. So we 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:19.359 just went down the escalator and found the purple parrot. 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:22.400 Oh inside a cassine in the Atlantis. Okay, with the 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.880 sushi in the Atlantis is open late? Yeah, we tried 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:28.480 to go there and they turned us away. Bastards. Okay, now, 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:30.840 I understand where the purple parrot came from. Him. We 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.720 just like googled super mad that we went. He was like, 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.200 what are you guys doing? Man like Reno a bad name, 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.359 Like Reno has really good food and it's Reno's extremely 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:44.520 strange that it's this Like I think Reno is the 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.440 sushi capital of the West, and you there will be 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.160 people people always challenge me on it. Then I take 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.359 them to sushi and Rena and the like this, this 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.200 is incredible. They're the best. There's guys that come in 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:56.960 for shows, like the Prime Guys. When they come in, 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:58.600 they're just like, all we want to do is go 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:00.680 to sushi. Just take us to sush she because it's 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.840 so good here. It's good. But it's also you're like, okay, 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:05.959 is it the quality of fish? Well, the quality is good, 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.080 but we aren't competing on quality. We're competing on price 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:13.919 quantity with good quality. Does that make? That's the equation? 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.200 And that is what you're You're eating that and you're 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.080 like you can have anything you want for twenty five dollars, 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.280 like all in, like as much as you want, so 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:24.160 you're just you're not full. You're not saying the best 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.280 quality sushi. You're saying the best, but the quality is 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:30.079 as good as most places, you know what I'm saying, Like, 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.639 I think it's as good as I've had pretty much. Yeah, 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:34.160 I mean there's like a few places they get like 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:37.280 a specialty fish and you're like, okay, like yeah, it's 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.200 I'm eating fluke or something, you know, but like for 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:44.480 your standard sushi and then just having like good creative 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.800 roles that are like the other day I went, I 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:48.440 was just like told the chef, I brought a bunch 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.320 of guys, all the outdoors some of the Outdoorsman crew 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.920 up there, and they're just like, you know, just let 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.960 the chef go wild. And I mean it was just incredible, 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:00.120 you know, and you're like, Okay, this is awesome. For 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.560 plus plus you get free saki. Now I wish I 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.400 had some kind of a coupon deal. I've got a 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.720 punch card, so you want to if we want to 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:14.160 offer that, Tim will mail you his punch card. No, no, no, 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.640 it's probably no. You gotta you gotta come to Reno. 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:18.279 You gotta come buy mine, and then I'll give you 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:20.800 my punch card. That's right. Don't be don't be a 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.120 cheap skate. All right, Well, we're at the we're here 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.560 like in the corner of the Yetie booth. If you 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.840 hear this, like soft not soft, this murmur in the background, 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:34.120 that's all the sheep show folks walking around checking out. 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:38.000 We got first light hanging out. There's yetti. Um, so 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.280 that's what you're hearing. But give me a sheep show. 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.320 Give me a sheep show story. What's your first sheep shown? 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.039 Because you Yeah, I've been coming to the sheep Show 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:50.280 probably since I was I don't know, since I could 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:54.159 walk maybe, I mean, honestly can't remember. Used to be 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:58.520 at what is now the GSR and Reno, but I 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.640 think it used to be like Alleys or MGM. Then 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:05.839 like it's changed names like three times like that. That's 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.320 how old school I go with the sheep Show. I 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.400 think they've been doing it for what thirty years or something, 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:13.840 and most of them have been in Reno. Um, they 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:15.359 did go away for a little bit. They kind of 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.960 did like a little they went to Wyoming and kind 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:21.960 of rotated around and then they were they never in Vegas. 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:24.839 They might have done Vegas once and they kind of 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.440 combined with the Mule Deer Foundation for a little while 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.920 when their members, you know, weren't as strong to do 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:32.880 and then it's cool to see it grow to this 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:37.000 level where they're back at the convention Center, a big show. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.280 Grey Thornton from Wild Sheep was telling me they're they're 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:44.480 growing like thirty percent a year attendees of this show. 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:46.440 And as you know, you guys have been to all 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:47.760 the shows, I feel like it's one of the most 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:49.680 fun places you can go. Man. You can win a 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:53.400 sheep on around every corner, but it's just a casual atmosphere. Man, 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:55.760 it's not. Yeah, it's it's my favorite show. I think 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.800 probably because the crowds aren't like they are in other shows. 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:00.800 But it's also the stuff off to, like you're really 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.000 passionate about, and it's not just all sheep. There's a 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:04.920 lot of other cool things. And the fact that I 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:06.240 can go home and sleep in my own bed that's 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.840 pretty sweet. Yeah, that's pretty good for you guys. It's 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.760 like it's like the home game, Like we're really rooting 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.719 for the Sheep Show because I feel like it's a 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.760 part of Reno every year and now if they move 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:18.440 it on me and then I'll be like, damn them. 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.680 Damn there. That's like, that's like the Raiders going to 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:25.640 Las Vegas, you know, right, It's like Tim, if you 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:27.320 ever want to sheep on here at this show, I've 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.920 never want to sheep on. No, you have to enter 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:31.839 the raffles and the different things, uh you know what 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.159 and all. Honestly, I don't usually just just random depends 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.479 on what mood I'm in that day, like I have 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.640 some years, but mostly I don't remy as a winner, right, 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:45.800 oh yeah, And I do enter the raffles for so 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.719 I've wanted all sheep hunt here. Um, the best odds 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.880 are like the one more for force. So if you've 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:57.880 got three sheep, um you don't have Yeah. Okay, So 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:00.960 there's four basic species of I mean there's a lot 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.480 of species sheep, but in North America we classified the 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.560 doll sheep, stone sheep, Desert big horn, and Rocky Mountain 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.279 big horn. Um. So when I was a kid, I 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.080 drew a Desert big horn tag in Nevada and harvested that. 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:16.360 I drew a California big horn tag a handful of 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:20.800 years ago in Nevada, harvested that and then um there 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.200 you They used to have a half slam drawing where 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:25.800 if you had two sheep you could you were automatically 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:30.080 entered into this one drawing. You couldn't buy tickets for it, 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:31.560 and you had to be present to win. So it's 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:35.200 really good odds um and my dad won that like 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:38.760 ten years ago, and the outfitter let me shoot a 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:40.960 sheep on that hunt. He's like, as long as there's 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:44.320 two were legal ramps together, you can shoot one if 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.160 you know. I had tag and everything. So I shot 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.640 a sheep that then, and then a couple of years 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.880 later I came here. I put one ticket in the 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:59.360 doll sheep drawing one that, and now I'm in the 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:03.800 one more for four, which is the They no longer 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:05.239 have the half slam, so they have the three quarter 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:11.600 slam or one more for four because um yeah. So 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:16.040 you register your sheep that you've harvested with them of 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:19.240 the species. They give you a ticket, and everybody that's 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.160 registered gets a ticket. But if you don't show up 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.600 to the banquet that night and they draw your name, 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.120 you're out. One year, a guy went to the bathroom 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:31.040 during that time drew his name. He didn't get it. 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:35.079 They move on alive or streaming alive or something or 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.640 Heart Alive. Oh yeah. The guy was streaming it while 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.360 he was going the bath while he heard his name, 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:42.840 and then it was like, no, you've got to be 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:46.480 kidding me. I have a friend a friend. The one 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:50.680 year he missed, he was drawn, and then two years 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.720 ago a guy was like, I mean sometimes I go 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.960 through ten names and you're in a room looking around, going, 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.920 there's not that that's the best odds for sheep tag 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.120 probably in the world, I don't know. And there was 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.520 a guy that wasn't there the year before his name 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.360 was drawn. The following year he got drawn on the 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.400 third I think it was like the third draw after 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.480 the first two weren't there, and he learned his lesson 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:17.760 and at least he got rebuttaled. So how they did 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:19.800 for the hunt? Do they? When they draw your name, 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.640 they're like, oh, you need a stone we get at hunt. 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.199 So they just have to book the hunt for you. 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:29.760 You Yeah, And so people donate to that specifically UM 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.000 to keep that going, and then that money goes to 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.880 pay an outfitter to book your hunt, and like, you know, 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:37.719 if you think about actually just wrote an article for 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:43.760 Western Hunter magazine UM about sheep hunts and drawings because 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:47.160 there's if you investigate some of the draws around the West, 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.360 some of the raffles have way better odds than the 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:58.079 state draws. Like there's there's um the California chapter for 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.800 Wild Sheep Foundation has a rowing. I think it's like 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.920 one in a hundred and fifty um. They only sell 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:08.559 you know, that's that's way better. I already bought my ticket, 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:10.800 So go go for it, guys. It doesn't matter. Like 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:16.600 I mean, Wyoming does something similar. Idaho, man, their Wild 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:20.000 Chief Foundation has some of the most incredible draw odds 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.720 for a sheep tag through these raffles. I know Alaska 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:26.680 does too. Alaska several different yeah chapter events. Yeah, and 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.920 so you know a lot of these chapter events have 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.839 some crazy draws. You know. Wild Chief are the ones 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.280 that where you gotta be present and or even Hunt 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.200 Expo next week. The only reason I go to Hunt Expo, 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.280 no offense hunt Expo, but it's to try to win 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.480 a sheep tag or one of those other tags that 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:44.720 I drew that drew in an elk tag and packaged 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:48.400 lake on a five dollar five dollar raffle. I guess 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.559 you call it a lottery. I don't know what you 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:52.959 call that. It's a it's a raffle, but I mean 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:56.760 it's like the Alaska state draws technically a raffle as well. 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:58.319 So that's it's a good time. Like this is a 0:10:58.320 --> 0:10:59.680 good way to spin it because it's it's kind of 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.080 tagged all season right now. Um, well get to the 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.840 tail tail into some of it. But both of you 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:10.120 guys do a lot of that talk about Um, Timmy, 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.080 you start talking about how if a guy you know 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:15.560 is having shitty luck on his tags, Like, what are 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:17.600 some of the things Alaska being one for me where 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:19.760 it's a lottery you put in you put you can 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.320 put in for twelve different animals, Um, what are some 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:25.920 ways around ot see some ways that are around the 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.080 tag draw system that are just great opportunities that people 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.400 might be missing out there. So I'm probably not the 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:32.040 one to speak on that because I don't put in 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:33.760 for a lot of the draws a lot of the states. 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:35.920 I've always been one that I like freedom and I 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.199 like to well, not that I wouldn't want to draw, 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.160 that still a good conversation, like how do you Yeah, 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.079 you hunt all over the place. What's the strategy for 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.680 somebody who doesn't want to play the game. So, um, 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.000 I'm terrible with research. My brother helps me out a 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:51.320 bunch with like Montana, Wyoming, um, and a lot of 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.240 some of the Idaho stuff. And then one of my 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.800 good buddies, Riley Warwood, he runs the bullshop in NiFi, Utah. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.679 He does all my Utah, New Mexico, Colorado, um, all 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:02.320 of those things. And then I just take care of 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:05.080 of Idaho and Nevada for myself. But I don't put 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.560 in for a lot of the sheep hunts or any 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.320 of those because the odds are you're probably never gonna 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:12.040 draw um, and I just choose not to play those 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.560 odds because living in Nevada, you've got better chance of 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:18.280 drawing she tag than anywhere else. Um. And then occasionally 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:20.600 I'll drop into some of these raffles, but I really don't, 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.520 so I'm not I'm probably the worst example. People are like, yeah, 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.000 you're stupid. You know you're gonna get better opportunities if 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:30.120 you would, which is true. Um, I just don't. But 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.000 you mostly it's because you mostly do over the counter stuff, 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.960 which is a great So that's a good option for 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.520 the guys that don't want to, like, you know, if 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.680 you what's the strategy. What's your strategy going into these things. 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:44.560 I I just kind of have the core hunts that 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.680 I know I'm gonna do that year that are the given, 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:48.680 you know. And then and then I kind of have 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:49.880 in the back of my head and I have a 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.120 plan that if I fill my tag in this state, 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.440 I'm gonna pop over the state. So for instance, I'll 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.960 put in for Montana every year, and if I draw Montana, 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.160 then that's gonna be my folks for elk. That'll be 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.160 my focus for l that September um because I only 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.719 want to hunt elk in the rut pretty much. And 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.960 if I kill in Montana or if it's sucking in Montana, 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.440 I know that I can always hop over Idaho because 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.440 I I um have my Idaho over the counter bowl 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.560 license and so I can either get my second bowl 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.520 there or that if the hunting sucks in Montana, I'll 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:20.800 just move over there and try to do it there. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:22.480 So that's kind of how I play it is. The 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.120 over the counter is something you can generally always get, 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:27.600 even though some of the units in Ido are starting 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:29.959 to sell out a little bit. But that way, like 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.679 I don't know, I just thrive on freedom and flexibility, 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.360 and I can call up my wife and say, I 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.520 just feel my tag. I'm not supposed to be home 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.240 for four days. I'm gonna pop over to hear, you know, 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:42.240 and go hunt for a little bit longer. And I 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:43.920 do that in the Midwest too, when I chase white 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.960 tails too. So give us. I know you've got some 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.200 specific things that you do. Oh yeah. I mean I 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.160 play the tag game like team's the pessimists and I'm 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:59.760 the op It's like, but I mean, the reality is 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.920 most all my tags are over the counter tags or 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:08.200 general area tags, because you know, you're just chasing tags, 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.880 chasing tags, stationing tags. I mean, I've got more points 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.480 in more places than a lot of people, and I'm 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.160 still not getting tags, but some of them too. It's 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.560 like the way that they staggered the draws. You know, 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.480 I might get a tag in a state that draws first, 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.480 so I keep building points in the states that end 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:29.480 up drawing later, like California. You know, I I have 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.440 enough preference points to guarantee the archery tag that I want, 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.640 maybe double the points that I need to guarantee the 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.000 archery tag I want. But that's the last draw to 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:40.240 come out and by then I'm already I'm already I've 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:44.520 already figured out a plan. Um, So you know I 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:47.960 do play the draw game. Um, it can be you know, 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.800 I see both sides of it. But I started like 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:56.640 I started when I was in middle like high school, 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.960 fifteen fourteen, fifteen sixteen, Like I would take the mone 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:03.280 that I made and save it to apply for tags. 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:06.520 And back then, they didn't have like youth discounts. That 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.720 wasn't a thing. Like they didn't care about their youth. 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.760 It wasn't that wasn't a thing. So I started applying 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.080 because I kind of had a little bit of foresight, 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.680 knowing that how much I love hunting. And I was like, 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:19.440 now when I'm an adult, I want to be able 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.280 to draw a tag. The only way to get twenty 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:27.480 points is to start when you're young, Um, and keep applying. 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:33.760 So I've been doing it for essentially over half my life. Um, 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.880 I've only drawn, well, I've drawn I've been fortunate. I've 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.480 drawn two sheep tags in Alaska. I've drawn two sheep 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:43.720 tags in Nevada. Um, but your Alaska strategy, I mean 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.160 that's something that people are always asking about, like, oh, 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.640 how do you do how do you approach Alaska each year? 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:53.120 But I will not give my secrets, and so I 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:57.000 I apply for Alaska. Um, you know, Well, so for 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.000 the sheep, you have to apply through an outfitter, which um, 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.760 my good buddy Jeremy Russ, and he has rogue expeditions 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.920 and so um, like I apply through him, you know, 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:07.960 and then you know, because it has to be like 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:12.239 guided and legal and whatever. So that's I go through him. 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.000 And I mean he's a good dude to go with, 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:16.560 Like if you're if you're like I want to go 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.360 on a sheep hunt, the best hunt, the cheapest hunt 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.320 that you can go on in North America is a 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.120 doll sheep. He has really good prices on doll sheep, 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:28.480 and um, you know, he likes to have younger hunters, 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:30.120 and I think that that's why his prices are a 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:34.560 little bit lower, like he would you know what I mean, like, 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.520 because I think you price yourself out of guys that 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:45.800 uh like for a sheep hunt, that's crazy. And I 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:47.880 mean they're still expensive, but I would say he's on 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:52.480 the lower end of a really expensive hunt, which if 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.400 you think about if you saved for four years and 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.800 don't apply like his thing was like, look, if you 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.680 didn't apply in any of these states and you save 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:03.400 that twenty five hundred bucks a year, you'd be sheep hunting. Like, 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.159 you'd be sheep hunting way sooner than you're ever going 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.119 to draw a tag. And like that's his strategy. And 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:13.160 I think that that's actually a good strategy, um, because 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:14.600 you can just book it be like, hey, I'm going 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.800 in this year. You know, I don't know that that's 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:21.560 a good strategy to like if you want to sheep hunt. Um, 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.040 But living in the state of Nevada, were fortunate, like 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.720 I will probably I've drawn a desert tag, I've passed 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:32.399 my waiting period and now I have like seven or 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:36.000 eight points again, so I will draw one, maybe two 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.880 more desert sheep tags in my life. I will probably 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.239 kill three to five rams in the state Nevada as 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:47.439 a resident. That's why I live into Vada. And this 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:51.359 is a great ad for but in a resident, but like, seriously, 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:57.520 don't move to Nevada. Our freaking odds. Um. There's a 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.040 lot of folks I listen to this. We get I 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.080 get messages in and just on the media platform, we 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:03.679 get it all the time with people that have no 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.240 idea how to start any of this, you know. So 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:07.840 a lot of the things we just said are like 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.720 presumption that people understand what we're talking about when we 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:15.120 say certain terms. How would you, guys, if somebody said, 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:16.720 I live I live in the east, I live in 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:18.560 the South, I live wherever I want to come west. 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.840 I wanna um doing over the counter hunt. I'd like 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:23.560 to start putting in for draws. I'd like to start 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:25.720 getting in the process. What's the like, what are the 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:27.359 things that you would tell someone if they walked up 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.439 to you and asked that very detailed and very you know, 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:34.159 nuance question. I think it's worth turning it over their professionals, 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:37.480 you know. I mean there's there's application companies out there 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.119 like Epic and Hunting Fool and all those others, you know. 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.040 For us, I was looking at their fees because I 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:43.639 don't subscribe to any of those either, but I was 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.280 looking at their application fees, and it's it's pretty dang 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:48.840 reasonable to have somebody that knows what they're doing, that 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.200 can just have a phone conversation with you to set 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.959 up a strategy, um, and that's what they do for 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:56.800 their livelihood, you know. So they're gonna be a lot 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.040 better at it. So I would recommend guys get aligned 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:00.880 with someone like that if they're wanting to come out 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:04.879 west and find out what opportunities on a draw tag. 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.400 But there's a lot of over the counter stuff too, 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:08.600 you know, and a lot of that just comes from 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.840 social networking and getting to know people. Um, if you 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.119 depended on how big a balls you got, you can 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:16.679 do some map research and just find find some areas 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.760 and go. And I've got a lot of I've talked 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:20.520 to a lot of people that are like, yeah, we 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:22.480 we went out to Colorado, we picked a spot on 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:24.520 the map over the counter, went out and just got 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.119 it handed to us. Yeah, we want to do it 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.680 different this time, you know, So what would you recommend? 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:31.720 And I'm like, do it again. Just don't go to 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:33.640 that spot, you don't go to somewhere else, because that's 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:37.200 that's really what it takes. If you're likely you're gonna 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:39.840 get beat up at least a couple of times before 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.240 you hit hit a spot where it's worth it and 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:43.639 how hard you want to work for it, you know. 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.040 I mean, it seems like, yeah, it would be nice 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:47.760 to be able to just call someone up and say 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:49.600 where can I go l hunting and have them put 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.000 you in a honeyholder. But that's the easy button, you know. 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.359 I mean, how how hard you want to work in 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:55.919 it with it and how much do you want to 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.800 invest into it for the future in the long term 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:00.879 and to find a spot that you're That's gotta be 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:02.520 a good point because when a lot of people that 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:04.359 are asking that question that just really don't have a 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.800