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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercam. I'm a mother of four,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On

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Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our

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Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode seventy nine, which we're

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Speaker 1: mostly going to be talking about vacations with small children.

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Speaker 1: Whether you're traveling or staying put, they present their own challenges.

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Speaker 1: But I am sitting right next to somebody who is

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Speaker 1: on vacation with her small children, namely my lovely co host,

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Speaker 1: Sarah Hart Hunger, in my office right now. Yay, this

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Speaker 1: is very exciting. This is our first live recorded episode.

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Speaker 1: Well it may not be the first one to air,

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Speaker 1: but the first one we're ever gonna we've done. That's true.

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Speaker 1: The other one will air before this, but yeah, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: it's and it's funny because you know, Sarah and I

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Speaker 1: work together all the time on this podcast, and we

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Speaker 1: our episodes, and it's funny to think we hadn't actually

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Speaker 1: seen each other since June twenty seventeen, right, that is

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Speaker 1: creepy before pre Geneviere, pre Genevie, pre Best of Both Worlds,

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Speaker 1: which was also just a glimmer in Sarah's eye or

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Speaker 1: my eye or whatever. Yeah, So it's been you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot. It's amazing how much work you can do

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Speaker 1: for you know, there are things they write online, books,

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Speaker 1: I've read of theirs and had lots of conversations with them,

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Speaker 1: It's very strange, and it's cool when you see them

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Speaker 1: because you're like, you know, you don't need to catch up. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's true. I just sort of pick right up where

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Speaker 1: friends are wonderful and they read the blog, even though

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Speaker 1: I know that they have no obligation to or anything.

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Speaker 1: But then I feel like, oh my god, like do

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Speaker 1: Am I insulting them to assume that they are reading it?

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Speaker 1: That's an interesting situation. Yeah, So, how's the vacation going

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Speaker 1: have the you know, full time care right because they

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Speaker 1: you know, gotten used to, you know, having an aftercare

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Speaker 1: But but you know, when the days you're completely off,

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Speaker 1: so those obviously you know, you got to plan well

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Speaker 1: where we live there are like fifty different camp type

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Speaker 1: options that have clearly I think it's gotten better too,

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Speaker 1: or maybe I'm just noticing it more than my kids

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Speaker 1: are older, but I'm impressed. Like every time I seem

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Speaker 1: to walk into a museum or a play place, they'll

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Speaker 1: average guys camp camp camp, and then it'll be for

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Speaker 1: like the days of spring break or the day that

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Speaker 1: you know, that awkward week before most of them regular

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Speaker 1: camp start and the end of school. So that there

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Speaker 1: are some solutions the camp gap. Kids have to be

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Speaker 1: fairly flexible where they're not going to freak out going

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Speaker 1: to a group setting where they don't necessarily know everyone,

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Speaker 1: but that might be a great opportunity to band together

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Speaker 1: with one of your friends and put them in camp together.

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Speaker 1: We definitely have done that. Yeah, we had an art camp.

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Speaker 1: That is true. So yeah, if you have to obviously

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Speaker 1: plan that a couple months ahead of time, but you

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Speaker 1: know your school district, Like, if your children are in

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Speaker 1: a public school district, they have probably published the calendars

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Speaker 1: for the next year or two because they usually have

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Speaker 1: to have those in negotiation with their their teachers, unions

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Speaker 1: and stuff. I mean, so it's sad like they know

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Speaker 1: so they're you know, these dates. So I will say,

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Speaker 1: like that must vary by district, because my sister in

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Speaker 1: law was just complaining that she does are not out yet.

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Speaker 1: They're not out yet, nor Broward. Broward has If you

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Speaker 1: look on their website, it's like there are two possible

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Speaker 1: calendars for twenty nineteen, twenty twenty five because they haven't

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Speaker 1: finished the negotiation. The same on both of them. Winner

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Speaker 1: break is the same on both of them. So it's

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Speaker 1: just a question of like, well, our our spring break

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Speaker 1: will always be the same because it's always going to

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Speaker 1: be the week between Passover and Easter. I mean, so

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Speaker 1: if you can figure that out from you know, which

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Speaker 1: is also set, Like just google the date of Easter

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Speaker 1: in you know, twenty fifty or something. Figure you could

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Speaker 1: figure it out. But no, so, yeah, we definitely like

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Speaker 1: our why I think has one. Some of the science

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Speaker 1: museums around here definitely have those vacation week camps, and

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Speaker 1: you know, you probably may have to be slightly flexible

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Speaker 1: on you and your partner. Maybe you could, you know,

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Speaker 1: have some of the days one of you could possibly

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Speaker 1: be out a little earlier because it's a different situation

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Speaker 1: than your normal setup. But yeah, planning, I will say,

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Speaker 1: the older my kids get, the more I will aggressively

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Speaker 1: try to get those times off. Yeah, because it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, otherwise your kids are I guess I didn't

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Speaker 1: really appreciate this when my kids are little, but once

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Speaker 1: they do, once they're banded to a school calendar, you

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Speaker 1: really lose flexibility. And if you want that open time

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Speaker 1: with the kids, you have a little bit in the

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Speaker 1: summer and then you have their breaks and then that's

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Speaker 1: kind of it, and it starts to feel a little

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Speaker 1: bit you just realize that it's sort of yeah, which

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Speaker 1: is why there's that like jockeying in any office where

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Speaker 1: there's a certain number of people who do a certain job,

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Speaker 1: so you can't all have it off at the same time.

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Speaker 1: For who gets in my group, there are only you know,

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Speaker 1: three out of the seven of us have school aged children,

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Speaker 1: and some of them are religious Orthodox Jews and the

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Speaker 1: other are Catholics. So like we all want different different things,

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Speaker 1: so it actually works out. Oh, that's nice, that's that's good.

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Speaker 1: An upside to diversity. I want something to keep in

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Speaker 1: mind in hiring. Why you want people who celebrate different holidays,

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Speaker 1: different holidays, different ages and stages. Yeah, they want the

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Speaker 1: same days. They don't care. They'll do whatever, I guess

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Speaker 1: until the grandkids come along and then yeah, no, I

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Speaker 1: mean I was thinking about that, like, I mean that

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Speaker 1: Michael and I are very grateful that we don't have

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Speaker 1: to think about it, like we're not asking anyone to

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Speaker 1: take off the Christmas week, and I was just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a long time. I realized, like we're off and

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Speaker 1: when I had those days, I mean, we're just we

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Speaker 1: both naturally take off the days that the kids are off.

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Speaker 1: But it's a lot of days and both of you

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Speaker 1: give your so we give our Our nanny always usually

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Speaker 1: likes that time off as well, so she uses that

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Speaker 1: as part of her vacation, so it's not a time

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Speaker 1: that we typically have a lot of child Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: this is so Sarah and I were planning on grabbing

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Speaker 1: drinks to this, but with the husbands have the kids,

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Speaker 1: because we have I have no child care at least,

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Speaker 1: so now we did not bring the child tip unless

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Speaker 1: you count my parents. So your parents are they? Are

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Speaker 1: they county? They definitely count. They did. They watched it

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Speaker 1: while we took the kids snowtubing, so they they have

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Speaker 1: already proven their work as babysitters, because that's pretty challenging.

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Speaker 1: She had that total separation anxiety age and they still

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Speaker 1: manage to have a good time. So yeah, she she

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Speaker 1: was willing to let me hold her, which was fue

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Speaker 1: I was. I was happy to hold a little too.

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Speaker 1: You were kind of a baby, whisper. I'm a little baby.

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Speaker 1: A few just a few, a few years of holding babies.

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Speaker 1: They're so cute, all right, So oh man Q and A,

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Speaker 1: Well we're doing it. We're also recording a mail bag

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Speaker 1: up yeah, so were mail bag. I don't know, we

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Speaker 1: could probably just let this go with the Love of

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Speaker 1: the Week and make it a short one. Okay, Well

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Speaker 1: I'm liking these mugs, so Sarah, Yeah all right, well

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Speaker 1: we can both have the love of the Week. So

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Speaker 1: so Josh, Sarah's husband, made us these best of both

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Speaker 1: Worlds mugs, which I don't know if Sarah was planning

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Speaker 1: on taking hers back with her. They're both for me.

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Speaker 1: He got me to he got you too, Okay, have

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Speaker 1: now requested them as well. Oh well there you go. Hey,

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Speaker 1: maybe we need a business line here. But so we

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Speaker 1: have these best of both worlds mugs, which I have

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Speaker 1: to say I shout out to Josh here because I

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Speaker 1: had actually gone on shutterfly to see if I could

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Speaker 1: make some sort of best of both world swag and

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Speaker 1: I did it totally wrong, like I could not get

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Speaker 1: to come out whereas these look awesome. These look awesome,

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Speaker 1: And he kind of picked up the little green in

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Speaker 1: the middle. Yeah there's so there's green on the inside

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Speaker 1: and a green handle that he picked up from the Lord.

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Speaker 1: These mogs are big. Yeah, no, oh, you definitely got

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Speaker 1: to go with the fifteen ounce like never, never, the

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Speaker 1: ten ounce or who wants an eight ounce cup of coffee? No, never,

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Speaker 1: never never, So they're nice in hereage. So that's my

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Speaker 1: love of them. I'm sure I have another one. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to go with the mugs too. Thank you so much, Josh, Yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you for shout out to Josh on that one. Well, anyway,

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Speaker 1: this is This has been Best of Both Worlds episode

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Speaker 1: seventy nine, first airing in early February, which seems like

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Speaker 1: the end of the world from now, but it will come.

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Speaker 1: It will come. Yeah. And by the way, the reason

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Speaker 1: we do these ahead of times partly our personalities and

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Speaker 1: also we don't ever want you to go a whole

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Speaker 1: week without an episode just because one of us had.

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Speaker 1: You know, stuff comes up, right, like kids of some

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Speaker 1: horrible virus rus and then where we don't have a

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Speaker 1: best of both worlds, and what are people are gonna do?

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Speaker 1: Clearly one of us could do a solo solar Earth

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Speaker 1: will crash into the sun. They don't get out. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: this has been best of both worlds. Tune in next

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Speaker 1: week for more on making work and life fit together.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the

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Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram

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Speaker 1: and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com.

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Speaker 1: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please

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Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and

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Speaker 1: life work together