1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Dan Zimborski is the senior writer for Fangrafts. Excited to 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: have him on the show talking about the just released 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six Booms and Bus. Let's talk about that. Dan, 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: good to be with you on the Pitchers dropped tomorrow, 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: So let's start with the boom. 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: So do you have Well, this is always a fun 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: piece for me because I'm a math guy, so there's 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: a lot of hedge betting at any given time, and 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: I always like to write an article or two where 10 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: I have a very real risk of looking incredibly stupid. 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: Some of my picks last year were, let's just say, 12 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: did not work out at the top. I have Andrew 13 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: Vaughna the Milwaukee Breweries, which, as I said, is also 14 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: kind of a cheat, but he's one of those players. 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: I think that the projection system do you see on 16 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 2: Fangrafts or Baseball's perspectives, I don't think they've really taken 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: into consideration how much his approach changed when he went 18 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: to Milwaukee last year from when he was in Chicago. 19 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 2: It was a world of difference in his approach at 20 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: the play. I have Carter Jensen, I have Bryce Terrang, 21 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: I have Justin Crawford, Matt McClain. I always kind of 22 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: go out there on a limb with a guy or two. 23 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: I picked Kemp Alderman of the Miami Marlins, who probably 24 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: has no chance of getting meaningful time in the majors, 25 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: but he's interesting and I like interesting you. 26 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 3: The one name on the list was Jordan Lawler. Jordan 27 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 3: Lawler being a boom? What does that mean when you're 28 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 3: when you're a guy that could have had a position 29 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 3: if they didn't bring kateel mar teback. Now you're possibly 30 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 3: changing positions. Are you saying Jordan Lawler just is a 31 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 3: good player and if he gets a chance, he could boom. 32 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: I think he could be a really good player. He 33 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: could be a starting outfielder. He's been pretty solid out there. 34 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 2: It's gotta be tough for him because at different points 35 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: he could have been the second baseman, the shortstop, or 36 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: the third baseman for the Diamondbacks. None of that came 37 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: to pass for obvious reasons, and I think given Perdomo's 38 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: emergence last year, he's almost forgotten in some regards that 39 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: people forget how good a prospect he was. He did 40 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: have injury issues, his shoulder, his hamstring, his thumb. I 41 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: think that there's a real good chance that he has 42 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: a big season, and he's one of those guys who's 43 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: pretty advanced that he could be in the you know, 44 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: the rookie of the Year mix depending on how things 45 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: work out. 46 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 4: I mean, Bryce Terrang on this list, he's pretty good already, 47 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 4: isn't he is? He's supposed to get even better. I 48 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 4: mean you said Andrew Vaughn was a layup. I mean 49 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 4: Bryce Terrang. He showed what he could do in the WBC. 50 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 4: I feel like that was more of the layoup for 51 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 4: me than Andrew Vaughn. 52 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: Well. I think with Terrang one of the things we 53 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: saw with him is that his exit velocities increased a 54 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: lot over the course of the season. I think he 55 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,119 Speaker 2: could be an even better player because I think there's 56 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 2: still some untapped full season home run power that we 57 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: could see because he hit a lot of home runs 58 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: in the second half compared to the first half, which 59 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: was consistent with the exit velocity data and the swing 60 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: rate stuff we get from stack cast. I think he 61 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: could be, you know, a twenty five to thirty home 62 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 2: run guy while still maintain any of the things he 63 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 2: already does well and so for me, that does constitute 64 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 2: a breakout. But again, I'm a writer. I like to 65 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: cheat a little bit when I get a chance. 66 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 4: And obviously Kaglione, if Kaglione could just make contact, I mean, 67 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 4: he's gonna hit forty homers if he just makes enough 68 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 4: contact and can get in the zone enough. But we 69 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 4: saw it in the WBC kind of like with brys 70 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 4: ter Ring right when he makes contact, the ball goes 71 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 4: really far and really hard. But then teams just don't 72 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 4: throw him strikes and he chase up and then he 73 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 4: chases down. He's just ultra aggressive if they can reel 74 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 4: him in. I mean that that seems like one that 75 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 4: could go off the charts. 76 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he showed a lot of growth last spring 77 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: training the Royals, advancing through the minor leagues very quickly 78 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: out of college. He's one of those guys I think 79 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: that once he consolidates his games, he will show improvement. 80 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: I don't think he's ever gonna be the most scientific hitter, 81 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: but hit ball go far is not the worst strategy 82 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: in the world. 83 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: If he can pull it off, you don't need to 84 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 3: be scientific. If you're six' five incredibly good looking in 85 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty. Pounds so what about what about the? 86 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: Busts Because i'm not even gonna go down your list 87 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 3: of bus there's one on. Here i'm gonna Save alana 88 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: the time and energy from saying. It you Have Freddy 89 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 3: freeman on the bust, list and you are gonna need 90 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: to explain. 91 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 2: Yourself, well the saying is whatever can't go on forever. 92 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: Won't and the fact is he is going to turn 93 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: thirty seven before the season. Ends and you did see 94 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 2: a little bit of deterioration in some of his plate discipline. 95 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 2: Stats his contact rate took a big. Dip and that's 96 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: one thing you see historically that older, players when you 97 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: start seeing their contact rate, change even if they start 98 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: from a high place or a low, place that that 99 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: tends to trumpet some trouble. AHEAD i don't think he's 100 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: going to be terrible or, anything BUT i think that 101 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: we've been spoiled by his almost lack of aging in 102 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: the last five or six. Years BUT i think there's 103 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: a real answer that this is the year that we 104 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: really start to See freeman. Slide towards His cooperstown, speech 105 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 2: how dare? You how dare? 106 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: You he was dealing with an ankle. Injury he had 107 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: a left rib injury as. Well he also said at 108 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: spring training when Foul territory was, there when we talked to, 109 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: him that he was absolutely irked that he did not 110 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: finish the season with at least a three hundred. Average 111 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: he wants to finish his career as A. DODGER i 112 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: think that you just lit a fire under, him my, 113 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: friend you better take him off the. 114 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: List, hey IF i led a fire to someone and 115 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 2: they have a good season because they're mad at, me 116 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: that's kind of a victory in the. 117 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: End what About Spencer steer, though what do you think about? 118 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: Him that's going to be a bust coming off. Injury 119 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: what do you think more about that he's one. 120 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: Of those guys who's kind of a tweener and that 121 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 2: his offense isn't really that great for the positions he 122 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 2: plays well and he's not really a third base but 123 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: he's not really an. Outfielder he's The Red sea to 124 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: like him more than is, justified AND i think they 125 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: really should be looking to move. On he strikes me 126 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: as more of a fourth outfielder role player type long 127 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: term than someone who really should be Starting The reds 128 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: have a lot of offensive. PROBLEMS i think when you 129 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: get Past Lady La, cruz And i'm not Sure steer 130 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: really helps things though the way they are. Now i'm 131 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 2: positive About Sal. Stewart he's someone who was really close 132 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: to making My booms, list BUT i did have to 133 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: edit it down to manageable. 134 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 3: Size one of the other bus Was Jacob, wilson who 135 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 3: would have been The rookie of The year had they 136 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 3: not called up the giant at his kerts and he 137 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: ran away with The rookie of The. Year but what 138 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 3: About Jacob wilson's? Game do you FEEL i could take a? 139 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: Regression is it just the second half that he had last? 140 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: Year that's a. Concern but one of the things with 141 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 2: the really good contact, hitters the ones who were you, 142 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: know naturally, gifted is there SOMETHING i always call the 143 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 2: contact rate death, spiral because once you can show that 144 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: you can hit almost, anything then that temptation to hit 145 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: almost anything kind of becomes a problematic if unless you 146 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: work around. IT i think long term he will be 147 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: fine and he will work with. That BUT i think 148 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: back On David. Fletcher now he's a better player Than David, 149 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: fletcher but As David fletcher's contact rate went, up the 150 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: pitches he went after got worse and, worse and his 151 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: contact became weaker and weaker and less, effectual and that 152 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: kind of spelled the end Of David. Fletcher he went from, 153 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: being you, know having a really niche role as an 154 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: underrated second baseman to basically being out of the majors 155 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: in two. Years Luis arraiz has kind of the same, 156 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: thing where he's making great, contact but he's hitting worse 157 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: and worse, pitches and he's his pitches the balls and 158 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: player becoming less and less, effectual it actually becoming. Hits 159 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 2: that's a risk For. WILSON i do think he'll overcome, 160 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: it BUT i think that there will be some growing 161 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: pains and we might have what we would call the 162 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: sophomore slump. Year SO i think it just won't look 163 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: as good as twenty twenty five. Did. 164 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: Dan if you had to put all of your eggs 165 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: in one boom basket and one bust, basket where are 166 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: your eggs? 167 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: GOING i think For, Boom i'm going to go With. 168 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: CAGNIONE i don't. KNOW i was all in On kagnon last. 169 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: Year this might just be me being annoyed THAT i 170 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: was wrong BECAUSE i was pushing for The royals to 171 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: call him up. QUICKLY i was On Casey radio several 172 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: times talking about, that and that did not work out last. 173 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: Year so there's there's a little bit, of you, know 174 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: vengeance factor on the stats to think about for The 175 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: for The, busts it's not quite as, sexy BUT i 176 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 2: Think anderhar is the. Riskiest there's a lot of air 177 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: in their. Stats last, year he had what an eight 178 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: thirty something ops and it's really hard to look at 179 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: the stackcast, data the hit, data the peripheral, data his 180 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 2: batting average and balls and play and seeing him able 181 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 2: to maintain that. NOW i don't think The padres had 182 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: much of a choice given their payroll, situation BUT i 183 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: Think anderhar it's gonna be a big disappointment offensively this. 184 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: Year you have Two royals on your boom. List are 185 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: they winning The? Central it's wide. 186 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 2: OPEN i think The tigers are still the, favorite BUT 187 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: i would not be surprised at all by The royals 188 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: winning the. DIVISION i KNOW i get accused of being 189 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 2: too mean to The, royals but this is a good. 190 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 2: Team they have a really stable pitching. Staff even If 191 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: he's in the most exciting, rotation, especially but they have 192 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 2: a deep they have that deep, rotation and if they 193 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 2: can get some offensive, upside because they already Have, wit 194 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: they already Have. Garcia If cagliowan breaks, out If Carter 195 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 2: jensen has a big rookie, year all of a, sudden 196 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: that's a pretty decent offensive. Team and they were not 197 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: a decent offensive team last. Year SO i think a 198 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 2: team is. UPSIDE i would pick The tigers right, now 199 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: but it wouldn't take that many nasty surprises for The 200 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 2: tigers to put The royals right. 201 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 4: There by the, way you Have oseel twove on. You 202 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 4: that dude hits three hundred every. Year let's get off 203 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 4: the old. Guys, okay he hitched To hall Of famers 204 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 4: on this list for, BUS i mean if he doesn't 205 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 4: hit three thirty with, THIRTY i mean he hits two 206 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 4: ninety with, twenty does that have a bust. 207 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 5: YEAR i don't know. 208 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: If that would be a bus BUT i think you 209 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: look at at second basement, historically and they do those 210 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: middle infielder types when they start to, fade they Gou 211 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: you look at the peripheral X lug, data the ONE 212 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 2: i calculated had similar that there was just a lot 213 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: to not be a fan of in twenty twenty. FIVE 214 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:31,599 Speaker 2: i don't have a problem with the old. GUYS i 215 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: MEAN i became an old. Guy i'm gonna be fifty 216 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: in a couple of, Years so no no agism, here all, Right. 217 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 5: Dan last one for. 218 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 3: Me next year when you write your, article can you 219 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 3: please put what the bust line is and what the 220 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 3: Boom wait a, minute don't say bus, line, sorry and 221 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 3: the boom line is like you could come back at 222 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 3: the end of the year ago Whoa Jack Kigleon he 223 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 3: had thirty homers but he hit two? Thirty, like can 224 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 3: you give us like a like a boom line and. 225 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 5: The other one line, also SO i don't repeat the 226 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 5: same THING i just. 227 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: Said, YEAH i could probably put that in stone so 228 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 2: THAT i can't, escape which is always the risk of. 229 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: Anyone he does projections, perfect all, Right, Dan thank you so. 230 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: Much Jen zienborski of, course senior writer For. Fangrass we appreciate. 231 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: It we'll be checking in with you to see how 232 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: good you are at all of. This thanks for being with. 233 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: Us thanks for having. 234 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 5: Me this is. 235 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 6: It Kratz opening weekend of the, season and if you're 236 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 6: looking for tickets for AN mlb game and they're either 237 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 6: sold out or you're just a little bit lost and 238 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 6: you need some, Help See geek is there for. You 239 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 6: it's not just a spot where you buy the. Tickets 240 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 6: is where you feel good about buying the tickets because 241 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 6: they have your back with their features. 242 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 3: And you know you're going to get a good. Price 243 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 3: that's the deal that everybody's looking. 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You but, Man Spencer, 266 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: stridd seems like you can't catch a break on THE 267 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 1: il at least to start the season with an oblique, 268 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: strain and we certainly know that those things are. Tricky 269 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: what more can you tell? 270 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 5: Us, yeah this is a simple oblique. String we're not 271 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 5: sure exactly how or when it, happened but For strider 272 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 5: and The braves it really doesn't. Matter this is going 273 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 5: to be about a. Month he's going to have to 274 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 5: not only let that. Heal those are very tricky in 275 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 5: those first couple. Weeks we've learned very quickly over the 276 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 5: years that you don't want to have a quick. Setback 277 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 5: too many times guys are trying to come, back trying 278 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 5: to throw too, early trying to hit too. Early it's 279 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 5: any rotational, activity and that's pretty much the entire game of. 280 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 5: Baseball so For, strider this is another one where some 281 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 5: of the things that make him great might act against. 282 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 5: Him he is just so muscle bound you worry a 283 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 5: little bit about, flexibility and he's had. Problems obviously that 284 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 5: isn't why he had ucl, surgery but he has had 285 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 5: a number of muscular, injuries and for guys of that physical, 286 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 5: type we see that pretty. Regularly BUT i think The 287 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 5: braves they've certainly got some. OPTIONS i heard them talking 288 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 5: About didi Or. Fuenttes not sure he's going to get 289 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 5: the call up right at the, start but we'll see 290 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 5: exactly where this. Goes strider will be BACK i would 291 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 5: say probably Mid. 292 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: April, hitters obviously you hear with obliques pictures anytime there's an, 293 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 3: injury it's really how long you're. Out, yes it has to, 294 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 3: heal but how long do you think he's unable to actually? 295 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 3: Throw because that's WHEN i look At even if a 296 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: pitcher's down for seven, days his ramp up before he 297 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: even gets on the mound is fourteen days after. That 298 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 3: so if he's down for a month of not, throwing 299 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 3: it's a long long. Time more than so with a, 300 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: hitter Where it's, like once he gets, going they can 301 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: ramp it, up but they have to be one hundred. 302 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 3: Percent so is their ability to throw during this time 303 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 3: or is it just like a hitter where you can't 304 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 3: have that. 305 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 5: Rotation you can't have the. Rotation he'll do some things 306 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 5: to try to keep the arm, going to keep the 307 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 5: chronic workload in, there but you're exactly, right he's gonna 308 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 5: have to have a Ramp that isn't as big a 309 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 5: deal as it used to. Be teams aren't saying these 310 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 5: guys have to be ready to go sou and they 311 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 5: have to be ready to go. Eight they're perfectly happy 312 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 5: if they're going out there for four, five because pretty 313 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 5: much that's a normal start these. Days but there is 314 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 5: going to have to be some ramp. Up and we're 315 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 5: seeing more and more organizations that really understand these kind 316 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 5: of chronic, workloads how to manage, those how to keep 317 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 5: everything in balance and hopefully see less arm injuries we have. 318 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 5: Seen this is one THING i haven't seen talked about 319 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 5: is the spring numbers On Tommy john surgeries are significantly, 320 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 5: down like cut in, half and nobody seemed to have an. 321 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 5: Answer why. 322 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 4: When did we start worrying about The braves and what 323 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 4: they're doing as an organization because striders have been. Hurt you, 324 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 4: know obviously they've already Lost schwellenbach, Again Smith schwarva is already. 325 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 4: Down it's just one after. Another Ronaldo lopez went. Down 326 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 4: sale wasn't the same last? Year when did we start 327 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 4: worrying about The braves and all their injuries that they've 328 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 4: had as an, organization because it's not only, pitchers also position. 329 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 5: Players they've had guys go down and. Coulding obviously the 330 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 5: freaking meat. 331 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 4: Things riley miss, time all missed, time, RIGHT i, mean 332 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 4: it's just like one after another with this. 333 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 5: Organization. Yeah, absolutely and they've got a good medical, staff 334 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 5: but at some point results? Count is? It the players 335 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 5: aren't set up? Right with A, Kunya you've got to 336 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 5: think maybe that's a genetic thing that he just had 337 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 5: weak knees and when he got into those, positions both 338 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 5: of them. Went you kind of think back To Manny, 339 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 5: machado who had knee problems early in his career on both, 340 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 5: sides just As akuna. Did but it's had a really, 341 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 5: great Possibly hall Of fame career after, that you don't 342 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 5: see any sort of Pattern it's not like we're seeing 343 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 5: a whole bunch of hamstring. Injuries there's one year where The, 344 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 5: yankees like eight of their fifteen top guys had hamstring 345 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 5: injuries because they were doing completely new sprint series for 346 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 5: their new strength. Coach there's no known thing, here but 347 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 5: you do have to look at the full. System are 348 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 5: these guys not in the kind of? Shape are they 349 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 5: in the wrong shape to be playing? Baseball AND i 350 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 5: know that sounds, weird but sports science is, very very. 351 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 5: SPECIFIC i know people inside the. Organization i'm asking that 352 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 5: question right. 353 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 3: Now you said about being muscle, bound and obviously you 354 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 3: know everyone talks About strider and his tight pants and 355 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 3: then they show first shot is his. Quadzillas is there 356 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 3: a is there fact to WHAT aj AND i have 357 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 3: said for a long, time like you can't pull? Fat 358 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 3: is there a like is there a percentage of body 359 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 3: fat that players you feel like should have or is 360 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 3: it all just about flexibility and strength and how that combines. 361 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 5: A little of. Both you, know you don't have to, 362 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 5: be you, know a body. Builder you don't have to 363 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 5: be buff and jacked to be a. Picture but it. 364 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 5: Does you, know it's not Bad, Spencer strider is certainly. 365 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 5: Good we're seeing more and more athletic pictures. Now you 366 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 5: don't see the guys who look Like i'm gonna date myself, 367 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 5: Here Rick. Russell you just don't get The David. Wells 368 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 5: you don't get those guys out there that much. Anymore 369 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 5: but that said, it it's not about a body. Type 370 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 5: it's not about a fat. Number it's not about how 371 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 5: big or strong you. ARE i can remember looking at 372 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 5: pictures years ago there was one at The All Star 373 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 5: game OF i think it Was Pedro, Martinez Greg, Maddox Roger, 374 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 5: clemens And Randy. Johnson and these guys don't look like 375 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 5: the same, species let alone the same. Occupation so there's 376 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 5: not one. Type what it comes down to, you and 377 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 5: this is an absolute is. Function can you do the 378 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 5: things you have to, do and not only, that can 379 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 5: you do them over and over and over and over 380 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 5: without BREAKING i always hear pitching is not a natural. 381 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 5: Emotion overhead throwing is not a. Natural it's exceptionally national. 382 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 5: Natural people have been doing it for centuries, hunting throwing 383 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 5: rocks at a. Rabbit but what's not natural is doing 384 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 5: it from a mound at one hundred miles an hour 385 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 5: over and. Over that's the problems that we have is 386 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 5: this all comes down to very very specific. 387 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: Function, well we have a question here in our chat 388 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: From sicilian eighty. Seven he wants us to specifically ask 389 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: you about Trey Ya savage's shoulder. Impingement so Obviously slope, 390 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: playing Trey Ya savage coming up last, year meteorically on the, 391 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: scene obviously a good future ahead of, him but also 392 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: just The jay's slew of pitching. Injuries let's start with 393 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: You savage. 394 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 5: First, yeah He savage is an interesting one because shoulder 395 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,719 Speaker 5: impingement tends to be something of a garbage. Diagnosis you 396 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 5: say it when there's nothing else to. Say something's, inflammed 397 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 5: something got. Pinged we don't know the exact. Specifics but 398 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 5: with You, savage it has been that long ago since 399 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 5: it was in the, draft AND i can remember teams 400 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 5: talking about that strange. Motion it was strange then when 401 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 5: they didn't realize how effective it. Was but he did 402 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 5: have shoulder problems both HIS i forget whether he came 403 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 5: out as a. Jender his last two years of, college 404 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 5: he had some shoulder problems that held him. Back that's 405 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 5: why he dropped to The j's in the, draft so 406 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 5: he does have a history of. This he is going 407 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 5: to be throwing later this, week so it's certainly not 408 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 5: looking like a long term. Problem but these, impingements it's 409 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 5: really more of a symptom rather than a. Diagnosis they've 410 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 5: got to figure out what's, swelling what's causing the, problem 411 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 5: and get that out of it at the, root rather 412 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 5: than just having to treat the symptoms over and. Over 413 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 5: you can treat inflammation very, easily you, know pop an ad, 414 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 5: bill get a dose, pack but it's not sustainable over 415 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 5: the long. 416 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 3: Term you talked about his awkward, motion questioning. It do 417 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 3: we look at an awkward motion that was extremely successful and, 418 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 3: say oh, man you, know maybe that's going to be an, 419 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 3: injury or do we look at the t spine location 420 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 3: and based on how far his head? 421 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 5: Is you, know. 422 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 3: Should should the public know more about what teams are 423 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 3: looking at so that you can, say, okay well you 424 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 3: know what he throws exactly like somebody who throws with 425 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 3: their head. Upright the difference is he's just coming more 426 00:20:59,160 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 3: at this. 427 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 5: Animal, yeah you can go to The Chad bradford extreme 428 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 5: where you Know Chad. Bradford if everybody remembers. Him he 429 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 5: wasn't a side arm, pitcher he wasn't a submarine. Pitcher 430 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 5: he just bent at the waist so far that his 431 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 5: knuckles were scraping the. Ground and, YEAH i think we 432 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 5: should know more about. Biomechanics And i'm SURE aj has 433 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 5: watched his good Friend Chuck wolf on my Last Injury territory. 434 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 5: Show for, You, savage it's an unusual. Motion it's not, 435 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 5: bad and do you change it at this? Point he's 436 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 5: done it for all these. Years it's more difficult to 437 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 5: change a picture at this stage than just figure out 438 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 5: what's going wrong with. It so the fact that somebody like, You, 439 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 5: savage is unusual to the point that he's such an outlier, 440 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 5: BIOMECHANICALLY i don't think it's bad until he starts to. 441 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 5: Break and at that, point what's the least you can 442 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 5: do to get him back to a healthy. Point, alana 443 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 5: you brought up the rest of the injuries over. THERE 444 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 5: i think they're slow Playing bieber to get him. 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Me 482 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 4: so is this a? Thing is this a good way 483 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 4: for him to? WORK i, MEAN i know he said 484 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 4: that now that the story came. OUT i remember him 485 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 4: saying he did it kind of as a thing with his, 486 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 4: kids and then he's, like, wait this made my hand 487 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 4: feel better and then he was able to pitch. 488 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 5: Again is this the thing going? 489 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 4: Forward teams can look at as odd ways to rehab, stuff. 490 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: You, Know? 491 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 5: YEAH i think. 492 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: SO i don't. 493 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 5: Know if you guys are familiar with a company called 494 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 5: Flex Pro. Grip they have a very interesting kind of finger. 495 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 5: Strengthener it looks, like you, know the glove that thanos 496 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 5: war And, avengers but it actually can measure the finger 497 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 5: strength and train. It so this is. Similar you, know 498 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 5: if teams want to get a piano rather than flex. 499 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 5: Progrips i'm. Sure i'm not sure how the cost works, 500 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 5: out but, yeah anything that, strengthens anything that gets him 501 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 5: moving those. Fingers it's an ingenious solution and ONE i 502 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 5: don't think anybody. Recommended but maybe we'll see more more 503 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 5: piano playing. 504 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 3: PITCHERS i have one general injury question because it's the 505 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 3: beginning of the, year because we're talking about. Injuries no 506 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 3: matter what the largest contract is in, baseball no contract 507 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 3: will ever supersede the injury. Contracts do you feel like 508 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 3: there's not enough because if a manager doesn't win A World, 509 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 3: series he gets. Fired trainers don't keep their team. Healthy 510 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 3: they just come back the next year because it's freak. 511 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 3: Injuries should there be or win will there be in 512 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 3: the next like ten. Years an organization that, says, okay 513 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 3: we're putting more on certain people so that we can 514 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 3: devalue or so we can take away all the extreme 515 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 3: value lost in. 516 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 5: Injuries, yes there are teams that do. That we've seen 517 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 5: more turnover in the sports, science sports, performance the medical. 518 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 5: Departments we've seen more directors of sports, performance directors of athletic, 519 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 5: training people that oversee. IT i had an interview With Nick, 520 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 5: kenney who's NOW i forget the title they gave. Him 521 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 5: he used to be the head athletic. Trainer now he 522 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 5: kind of oversees all the operations on that side of. Things, 523 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 5: YEAH i do think they're holding people more. Accountable it 524 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 5: used to be kind of a job for. Life it's 525 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 5: certainly not. That and more we're seeing more and more 526 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 5: young people get into. It we're seeing people coming from other. 527 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,479 Speaker 5: Sports there are teams that are bringing over people out of, 528 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 5: soccer out Of olympic. Sports so there are teams that 529 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 5: are taking this more. Seriously there are teams that are 530 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 5: seeing better. Results they are teams that are just saying 531 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 5: part of the. GAME i can remember a general manager 532 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 5: telling me that every dollar he spent on something that 533 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 5: wasn't payroll was a dollar. Wasted SO i don't think 534 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 5: teams yet see the sunk cost as a problem because they're, 535 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 5: saying you, know there are all the contracts are, guaranteed 536 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 5: few of them are. Insured they're willing to tolerate next man, 537 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 5: up not realizing the next man up wasn't as. Good so, 538 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 5: YEAH i think more teams need to take this. Seriously 539 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 5: it's one of the things That i've been pounding the 540 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 5: table for for twenty, years, Right. 541 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: WELL i haven't been on with you, yet So i'm. 542 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: Interested is that a bourbon collection behind? You are those 543 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: the things that are cheering your injury? Ailments what do 544 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: we got going on behind? 545 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 5: You, yeah that's my home. Bar and it's not just, 546 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 5: bourbon but there are. Some but, yeah when you talk 547 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 5: to people about doom and gloom all, Day i'm a 548 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 5: happy little grim. Reaper so we have to have a 549 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 5: little sip of something to get me through the day 550 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 5: As i'm dealing with more tray savage, injuries more picture. 551 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 5: Injuries but, yeah everybody's got to have a. Hobby, LISTEN 552 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 5: i get. 553 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: It your collection kind of rivals that of my husband's 554 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: as well when it comes to. Bourbon BEFORE i let you, 555 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: go The marlins Outfielder Kyle, stowers he's going to start 556 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: the season on the il with the hamstring. Injury and 557 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: will you know better than most hamstrings to, me are like. 558 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 2: Obliques they're. 559 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: Tricky what more can you tell us about this particular 560 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: injury and perhaps the timetable for. 561 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 5: Him, yeah it's gonna be a couple weeks on. This 562 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 5: he's been dealing with this off and, on and that's 563 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 5: one of the reasons they're dealing with. It it's grade, 564 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 5: one so it's the lowest. Grade it's writing a belly 565 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 5: of the. Muscle what they don't want this to become 566 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 5: is a problem that. Recurs that's the word you have with, 567 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 5: hamstrings you, Know, Eric back to your, point teams are 568 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 5: not very serious about hamstrings and. Acls there are hamstring 569 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 5: AND acl prevention programs that in studies over and over 570 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 5: soccer team spend time on hamstrings AND acl prevention programs 571 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 5: and have seen fifty percent. Reduction, now acls aren't a 572 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 5: huge problem in baseball the way they are for THE 573 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 5: nfl or football in, general but ham strings. Are and 574 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 5: there's not a lot of preventive work for stours this. 575 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 5: Month they're hoping we'll keep them going through the next 576 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 5: five six months of the season because The marlins have 577 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 5: certainly a long term timeline with the players that they 578 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 5: think will be there next. Time they're. 579 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 4: Good, well BEFORE i let you go, out you mentioned 580 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 4: that teams aren't spending money and need to look into. 581 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 4: This do you think and it's, changed AND i get 582 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 4: it's for the. Better you, know you have preventive, programs 583 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 4: and you have, messuses and you have, acupuncturists and you 584 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 4: have chiropractors, now, Right but WHEN i and again this 585 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 4: is not to be the old, man get off my. 586 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 4: LAWN i was told don't go in the training. Room 587 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 4: you don't go in the training. Room you figure out 588 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 4: how just to play no matter. What and now guys 589 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 4: are going in before they even get hurt to, say oh, 590 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 4: afraid my hamstrings is gonna get. 591 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 5: Hurt and again there's no right way or wrong. Way 592 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 5: this is the way it. Is and teams think it's. 593 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 4: Better but do you think there should be more of 594 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 4: an emphasis, on, hey, guys let's try not to get 595 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 4: hurt and not you, know because it's AGAIN i don't 596 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 4: want to judge anybody because everyone has a different. 597 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 5: Pain, tolerance, right BUT i know. 598 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 4: This one of the biggest sayings that we ever had 599 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 4: was you can't make the club and the tub, right 600 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 4: which meant if you're going to the training. Room and 601 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 4: we Had hermschneider who didn't want you in the training, 602 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 4: room one of the nicest guys in the, world but 603 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 4: he would make it just awful to go in there 604 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 4: because he'd be, like if the pain in the rehab 605 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 4: is worse than you trying not to get. Hurt so 606 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 4: do you think that this is why so many guys 607 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 4: maybe hamstrings or obliques or whatever it. Is And i'm 608 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 4: a guy that did an oblique later in my career 609 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 4: AND i was out two weeks and came back and played. 610 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 5: Right but is? That is there anything to? 611 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 4: That and Maybe i'm way, off And i'm fine being way. 612 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 5: Off it's just the mindset has. Changed the mindset has. 613 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 5: Changed we don't Have hermschneider, anymore one of the all time. 614 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 5: GREATS i actually did an artic, well this was back 615 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 5: WHEN i was With Sports, illustrated showing that he was 616 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 5: kind of like one of those subway punch. Cards he 617 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 5: had saved so much over a decade that he had 618 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 5: paid for an entire season's. Payroll so that, guy all 619 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 5: time great should be in The hall Of. Fame one 620 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 5: of the, things and you know this from being around, 621 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 5: him is he was very focused on the. Preventative he 622 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 5: was very focused on making sure people were, symmetrical that 623 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 5: they were in, balance that they were doing the kind of. 624 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 5: THINGS i think we need to have more of a 625 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 5: focus on the preventative rather than the rehab because prehabs, 626 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 5: hard you're already. Hurt the most predictive thing about injuries 627 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 5: is having been. Injured so if we could keep people 628 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 5: from being. Injured we talked about the thirty three percent 629 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 5: of pictures that have Had Tommy john. Surgery we haven't 630 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 5: figured out what the other sixty six percent are, doing, 631 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 5: Right SO i think there's a lot more we could. 632 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 5: DO i think we could put a lot more. MANPOWER 633 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 5: i think teams could. Share that's one of the things 634 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 5: that they don't. Do if somebody finds, something it's a state. 635 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 5: Secret SO i think there needs to be a lot 636 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 5: more of a research focus and figuring out what those 637 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 5: best practices. Are well good. 638 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: Stuff always appreciate the insight of. 639 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 2: Course oh go, ahead. 640 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 4: Will talk to my, Guy Chuck. Wilf he'll tell you 641 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 4: his thoughts On Tommy. JOHN i mean said had him 642 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 4: on the last. SHOW i know he'll tell you what 643 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 4: he thinks about. IT i, mean that was the guy 644 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 4: THAT i worked out with all off, season and he was. 645 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 4: Great he was he was movement, based he was, strength movement. 646 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 4: BASED i mean he was he was one of the. Best, so, 647 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 4: yeah enourage everybody. 648 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 5: To watch that. Show it came out Last. 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