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Speaker 1: So our main stories today, Our main topics for today
Speaker 1: are unrest and protest in Minnesota. Unfortunately, we were taping
Speaker 1: last week when the shooting of Rename Good happened, So
Speaker 1: we want to delve into that a little bit. And
Speaker 1: we're also going to talk about Trump's attacks on civil rights.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you all saw this, but Trump
Speaker 1: thought that all of our parents and forefather's efforts weren't
Speaker 1: vain during the civil rights movement because all it did
Speaker 1: was punish white folk. But before we get to that,
Speaker 1: we have an amazing new part of our show that
Speaker 1: we call uh N s f W. Wait a minute, no,
Speaker 1: not say for that's not what it is. That's that's
Speaker 1: what it should be. But it's for your situation, for
Speaker 1: your situational awareness, that's what it is. F Y s A.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. So today we're going to get
Speaker 1: into a couple of things. We're going to get into
Speaker 1: the Federal Reserve under investigation. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: all saw, but Jerome Pole, who has served under four
Speaker 1: count on four United States presidents, received criminal sub penis
Speaker 1: because he's not willing to go along. To get along
Speaker 1: with this White House, we have Minnesota. Minnesota Attorney General
Speaker 1: Keith Ellison is suing DHS. Andrew has been steadfast on
Speaker 1: making sure that our state wide elected officials do something.
Speaker 1: We'll question this and see whether or not that is
Speaker 1: enough where we need more. The Clinton's my homeboys and girls,
Speaker 1: all of ours. I guess I think I think all
Speaker 1: four of us are still on good terms. I ain't sure.
Speaker 1: We'll figure that out. But the Clinton skip testifying to
Speaker 1: Congress about Epstein and they risk contempt. Comer's gonna have
Speaker 1: a lot to say about that. My video today that
Speaker 1: I love Drew Ski's viral video making fun of mega
Speaker 1: church pastors with his Christian lubatans own because he is
Speaker 1: Christian and he is walking on the blood of Christ.
Speaker 1: I love it all. And then we're going to allow
Speaker 1: the person who does this better than I, but Joyanne Reid.
Speaker 1: We'll be able to toss to hers today, which is
Speaker 1: Robin Kelly announce his articles of impeachment against DHS Secretary
Speaker 1: Christy Nome, and we'll have a I have a comment
Speaker 1: about the whole Olympic face Mari Largo face, but that
Speaker 1: will be my comment on that. We'll we'll let you
Speaker 1: all talk about the substance of it anyway. Let's hop
Speaker 1: right into it. Let's hop right into it with our
Speaker 1: Federal Reserve under investigation. We'll get into this a little
Speaker 1: bit deeper in our mini pop but I wanted to
Speaker 1: bring it up here.
Speaker 8: On Friday, the Department of Justice served the Federal Reserve
Speaker 8: with grand jury subpoenas threatening a criminal indictment related to
Speaker 8: my testimony before the Senate Banking Committee last June. That
Speaker 8: testimony concerned, in part, a multi year project to renovate
Speaker 8: historic Federal Reserve office buildings. I have deep respect for
Speaker 8: the rule of law and for accountability in our democracy.
Speaker 8: No one, certainly not the chair of the Federal Reserve,
Speaker 8: is above the law. But this unprecedented action should be
Speaker 8: seen in the broader context of the administration's threats and
Speaker 8: ongoing pressure. This new threat is not about my testimony
Speaker 8: last June, or about the run of of the Federal
Speaker 8: Reserve buildings. It is not about Congress's oversight role. The Fed,
Speaker 8: through testimony and other public disclosures, made every effort to
Speaker 8: keep Congress informed about the renovation project.
Speaker 1: Those are pretexts.
Speaker 8: The threat of criminal charges is a consequence of the
Speaker 8: Federal Reserve setting interest rates based on our best assessment
Speaker 8: of what will serve the public rather than following the
Speaker 8: preferences of the president.
Speaker 7: This is about whether the Fed will be able to.
Speaker 8: Continue to set interest rates based on evidence and economic conditions,
Speaker 8: or whether instead monetary policy will be directed by political
Speaker 8: pressure or intimidation.
Speaker 7: You know, there's a reason we never hear or no
Speaker 7: to fa atch areas rights to themselves.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing that's crazy about this is he literally
Speaker 2: is going after every political enemy. And this time it's
Speaker 2: not somebody that's on the other side of the aisle.
Speaker 2: It's somebody that is non partisan, has a non partisan
Speaker 2: role adjacent to the federal government, a quasi governmental agency,
Speaker 2: and he still is going after them. Now they're saying
Speaker 2: it's about these renovations, the renovations that they got in
Speaker 2: a back and forth about.
Speaker 4: You all saw that news conference where.
Speaker 2: Jerome Poulli was said, and they seem like, nah, it
Speaker 2: ain't it. This is now about that. They're saying it's
Speaker 2: about that, But really it's because he won't say, oh,
Speaker 2: you want lower interest rate, no problem, boo, I got you.
Speaker 4: That's what this is all about.
Speaker 1: I think the people have to understand the import of
Speaker 1: Jerome pile Just briefly, the Federal Reserve is one of
Speaker 1: the most powerful entities we have. He was appointed under
Speaker 1: Barack Obama, served under Donald Trump, served under Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: served again under Donald Trump. Has never met with a
Speaker 1: doesn't report to the president. But they set monetary policy.
Speaker 1: I saw you want to jump in real quick. Joy.
Speaker 6: No, absolutely, no, keep going, But I think people need
Speaker 6: to know this context, so go for it.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 1: I was just they set monetary policy, mortgage rates, etc.
Speaker 1: All of those things are so important to the way
Speaker 1: that we operate in our cash flows. He's one of
Speaker 1: the most important people in the world and truth was right.
Speaker 1: That's why we don't know who he is. Anybody else
Speaker 1: need to try.
Speaker 7: Terms are pointed obviously to go in and out of administrations,
Speaker 7: So the FED chair and the boards are not connected
Speaker 7: to the political wins of the president, whoever they may be, Democratic, Republican, truire.
Speaker 6: And the thing that people need to understand is that
Speaker 6: this is Project twenty twenty five. So RUSS vote. When
Speaker 6: they were formulating Project twenty twenty five at the Heritage Foundation,
Speaker 6: the purpose of it was to say that independent federal
Speaker 6: agencies are no longer independent. That every federal agency exactly
Speaker 6: has to report directly to the president, and the President
Speaker 6: can direct them all and tell them what to do,
Speaker 6: whether that's the Attorney General or the FED. These are
Speaker 6: supposed to be independent agencies. And the FCC. Remember Brendan
Speaker 6: Carr from the FCC, he wouldn't even say under sworn
Speaker 6: testimony in Congress that the FCC is an independent agency.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 6: And so these agencies are being forced to report directly
Speaker 6: to Trump. And if Trump says lower interest rates, they're
Speaker 6: supposed to obey. And he didn't, and now he's being investigated.
Speaker 1: Let me find out that Kamala was right about twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. Project twenty twenty five. Also, DHS is something
Speaker 1: we've been talking about a lot. Minnesota Attorney General Keith
Speaker 1: Ellison announces that Minnesota is suing DHS. Here's a clip.
Speaker 9: We've come together and we're here to announce a lawsuit
Speaker 9: we're finaling against the United States Department of Homeland Security
Speaker 9: to end the unlawful, unprecedented surge of the federal law
Speaker 9: enforcement agents into Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Because this has to stop.
Speaker 7: I'm glad he looked up from that page. I felt
Speaker 7: that this has to stop. No, I mean, really, this
Speaker 7: man who has had it. You know, he is fed up.
Speaker 7: The only you know, consideration, I would have a recommendation
Speaker 7: and Congressman now General Attorney General Ellison is a brilliant man.
Speaker 7: But I can't wait to see that lawsuit that is
Speaker 7: going to come down challenging the federal governments of investigatory
Speaker 7: power for murders, deaths killing. I mean, we don't know
Speaker 7: what investigation obviously has to take place, but basically barring
Speaker 7: anybody from the local or the state of Minnesota from
Speaker 7: having access to any of the evidence that is collecting,
Speaker 7: and the untimely and tragic killing of miss Good that
Speaker 7: that so many of us bore witness to in video recordings.
Speaker 7: But I mean, I just think, I don't. I'm not
Speaker 7: a lawyer. We got two of them on here and
Speaker 7: Enjoy you play one great on TV, so so I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't know. But the supremacy of the federal government,
Speaker 7: in my opinion, has to be challenged here, and I
Speaker 7: think they oughta They ought to either bring their own
Speaker 7: charges or figure out some way that they can get
Speaker 7: let back into the evidence collecting process that the federal
Speaker 7: governments right now in the way doing.
Speaker 4: The bottom line, I mean no, you Goo.
Speaker 2: The bottom line is their supremacy does not put them
Speaker 2: above the law. And I think that is the bottom line.
Speaker 2: They are breaking the law under the color of law,
Speaker 2: and I think that's the biggest problem. I will tell
Speaker 2: y'all all of their projects twenty twenty five. The thing
Speaker 2: that saved me in twenty twenty five, where these attorneys
Speaker 2: general all throughout the country who did the dogone thing,
Speaker 2: and so I hope they continue to do that.
Speaker 6: Joel Yield, No, I was just gonna say that in
Speaker 6: the Derek Chauvin precedent, because remember George Floyd, same state, Minneapolis,
Speaker 6: there were federal and state charges. And that's the reason
Speaker 6: that Donald Trump cannot pardon Derek Chauvin because he has
Speaker 6: like space in twenty two years in state charges. And
Speaker 6: here's the challenge. I spoke with Paul Butler on the
Speaker 6: Gorricho the other day, because they won't give the state
Speaker 6: access to the evidence any prosecution would proceed without even
Speaker 6: the car. The car is a piece of evidence. They
Speaker 6: won't even let them have it. But Keith Ellison is
Speaker 6: the attorney general who spearheaded making sure Derek Chauvin and
Speaker 6: those other cops who killed George Floyd who murdered George
Speaker 6: Floyd face Justice. I think whatever they have to do,
Speaker 6: they should p sue this guy, Jonathan Ross, pursue him
Speaker 6: for state charges. And note that a bunch of people
Speaker 6: have now resigned from the Justice Department Civil Rights Division
Speaker 6: because they won't even touch this case and instead wanted
Speaker 6: to investigate Renee Good, the deed lady.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they actually did launch it, attempted attempted to launch
Speaker 1: an investigation into her wife. And they just announced that
Speaker 1: from the tap that the officer received, mister Ross, he
Speaker 1: had two anonymous sources say that he suffered some internal
Speaker 1: bleeding from that. I just wanted to throw that.
Speaker 6: Skipped away looking perfectly normal and walk away.
Speaker 1: Calls that F and B. I'm just telling you what
Speaker 1: the people say.
Speaker 7: The tap that he got by jumping in front of
Speaker 7: the car.
Speaker 4: On to the next headline.
Speaker 1: The crazy part about it is, I just want people
Speaker 1: to know that that is a tactic that's used by
Speaker 1: law enforcement a lot. And we'll dig into Minnesota a
Speaker 1: little bit more, but I did want people to know that,
Speaker 1: you know, law enforcement officers notoriously exhibit bad policing by
Speaker 1: standing in front of vehicles or at the corner of
Speaker 1: a vehicle, so when you turn away, they have the
Speaker 1: ability to shoot you. Case called Ricky Cobb. All of that,
Speaker 1: advise all of y'all to google it. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: the Clinton's for a second. Let's get to them, because
Speaker 1: they are skipping to testifying. They're skipping testifying. Yeah, skipping testifying,
Speaker 1: skip testifying. They ain't going going they are defying the
Speaker 1: recipe and they ain't going to testify. And here's the
Speaker 1: headline that we're going to read for you, Republicans say
Speaker 1: Clinton's risk contempt of Congress for not testifying on Epstein.
Speaker 1: Just for some more added context, remember that there was
Speaker 1: a law that was passed that Donald Trump signed that
Speaker 1: said all the Epstein files had to be released, and
Speaker 1: as of this taping, which is January fourteenth, I will
Speaker 1: tell you that less than one percent of the files
Speaker 1: have actually been released. What chy'all think about that?
Speaker 2: I want to I want to say this first, and Nick,
Speaker 2: if we can pull this on page six of the
Speaker 2: letter that the clinton sent from their respective law firms
Speaker 2: saying that they would not be appearing. So it's not
Speaker 2: like they just didn't show up to school that day.
Speaker 2: They actually sent a letter saying we have sent letters
Speaker 2: on four different occasions responding voluntarily to your questions, and
Speaker 2: what they decided to do is say, listen, we are
Speaker 2: happy to ensure that our statements are sworn. You should
Speaker 2: accept our sworn statements as declarations. And on page six
Speaker 2: of the letter they say that we encourage you to
Speaker 2: accept the sworn statements in lieu of testimony, because you've
Speaker 2: done that for five of the six former attorneys general
Speaker 2: who would have had the responsibility and the oversight of
Speaker 2: this particular investigation, because the Clintons are not overseeing and
Speaker 2: have never had any responsibility for overseeing an investigation into
Speaker 2: mister Epstein, and by excusing the two former directors of
Speaker 2: the FBI during the relevant periods altogether, so they've shown
Speaker 2: that there is a targeted witch hunt against the Clintons
Speaker 2: and they are not having and holding everyone else to
Speaker 2: that same standard who would have had the jurisdictional authority
Speaker 2: over this investigation. I think that's important for a lot
Speaker 2: of reasons. I'm going to be honest with y'all. There
Speaker 2: are some pieces in this letter that I don't think
Speaker 2: are very good, and including you know, this is about
Speaker 2: a personal relationship I think some of the language they
Speaker 2: should have avoided. As their counsel, I am not their counsel,
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't have encouraged that language. But they have
Speaker 2: said they voluntarily complied, and that should be sufficient. I
Speaker 2: do agree with that.
Speaker 1: Joey, let me ask you a question. How you answered
Speaker 1: the question when just common folks out on the street alike. Well,
Speaker 1: we saw the pitches of Bill Clinton with Epstein. We
Speaker 1: know they were friends and Republicans under both Donald excuse
Speaker 1: me not Donald Trump, under both Joe Biden and Barack
Speaker 1: Obama had access to the files and didn't release it
Speaker 1: when they had it. How do you respond to that.
Speaker 6: I think that the previous ags under Democratic administration should
Speaker 6: have released it. I think Merrick Garland was a complete
Speaker 6: waste of time and space on mass.
Speaker 7: A.
Speaker 6: Shit ain't shit, He ain't shit. And the reality of
Speaker 6: it is it should have been released, and I think
Speaker 6: that maybe a sensitivity to the Clinton aspect is why
Speaker 6: it wasn't before. And that's a problem for me. I'm
Speaker 6: not here to represent the Democratic Party. I've been a
Speaker 6: Democrat for a while, but I'm barely in the party
Speaker 6: at this point. I don't care about protecting Bill Clinton,
Speaker 6: and I will know that the regime, as I like
Speaker 6: to call them, they put out every picture they could
Speaker 6: find a Bill Clinton, a hotel, Bill Clinton hanging with him,
Speaker 6: So they put out what they had. I don't see
Speaker 6: anything in there that makes me less curious about Donald
Speaker 6: Trump's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. There's over a thousand references
Speaker 6: to him. They've only put out a fraction of that.
Speaker 6: They're putting out pictures of dieing a Ross with her children,
Speaker 6: trying to imply she was doing something funny. Now, lots
Speaker 6: of people were hanging with Jeffrey Epstein. That's a problem.
Speaker 6: That does not change the fact that Donald Trump is
Speaker 6: heavily implicated, much deeper than Bill Clinton ever was with
Speaker 6: Jeffrey Epstein. Those questions should never and yeah, Mayor Garland
Speaker 6: ade shit, and Biden's people should have put it.
Speaker 1: Out to agreed.
Speaker 7: The only thing I would add is the Clintons in
Speaker 7: their letter also indicated that they have given instruction in
Speaker 7: their full permission to release anything that mentions the Clintons
Speaker 7: in any of the files that the Department of Justice
Speaker 7: apparently has yet to go through ninety nine percent of it.
Speaker 7: But they basically said if you're truly after the facts,
Speaker 7: ours is to the record. It's on the record. You
Speaker 7: can access those. And if you have questions that we
Speaker 7: can answer that are again to the facts and to accountability,
Speaker 7: of which we had none over mister Epstein, then we
Speaker 7: will provide that to you in sworn testimony. The only
Speaker 7: thing I'm happier about, y'all is finally the Clintons have
Speaker 7: woken up to see that the Republicans of the nineties,
Speaker 7: who they thought were their glove and hand friends, you're
Speaker 7: the same creepy as no good people than Bycoma right
Speaker 7: now as the chairman of this committee. But they're the
Speaker 7: same people that they were in the nineties. And all
Speaker 7: they want to do is create a scapegoat for these folks.
Speaker 7: They can run up some pictures and start some new
Speaker 7: rumors about a pizza joint this time and somewhere in
Speaker 7: New York, right, But it's ridiculous. I'm glad they woke
Speaker 7: up and said we ain't going, We're not going.
Speaker 1: I'm glad.
Speaker 7: I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I'm glad they did to the most important fact of
Speaker 1: this is that the Clintons aren't responsible for the investigation
Speaker 1: or the Sweetheart deal that was cut into Epstein. In fact,
Speaker 1: that individual who cut the deal with Epstein actually became
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's Secretary of Labor. And that's amazing how that works.
Speaker 1: All right, y'all. Now hit dogs are hollering, people are upset,
Speaker 1: and I try to yeahs is a genius in terms
Speaker 1: of social media content, and so he's making fun of
Speaker 1: megachurch pastors. And mind you, I want you to know
Speaker 1: before we play this clip. This outfit is reminiscent of
Speaker 1: an outfit that a megachurch pastor war to the t.
Speaker 1: His entrance is an entrance that the megachurch pastor made
Speaker 1: to the tea, and some of his ask of his
Speaker 1: congregation is the same ass that a megachurch pastor has made.
Speaker 7: Road a clip, Nick, let's see what any longer Chryso Dollar.
Speaker 4: And names.
Speaker 7: Read.
Speaker 9: Wanda told us earlier this month that she cannot have
Speaker 9: a baby anymore.
Speaker 1: So I impregnated her with the Word of God. I'm
Speaker 1: going to impregnate everyone with the Word of God.
Speaker 4: Not that hip thrust.
Speaker 1: You won't be pregnant with the Word of God.
Speaker 9: Somebody in the congregation asks why I'm wearing Christian?
Speaker 1: Do you're Christian? Lubdun because I'm a Christian and I walk.
Speaker 10: In the blood of.
Speaker 7: Tver M to pray.
Speaker 11: Wow, wow, wow, go ahead, and it looks like Look,
Speaker 11: I had caught some flat from folks about our assessment
Speaker 11: about preachers their wives and wardrobe.
Speaker 7: But I will tell you I said this to Angela yesterday.
Speaker 7: People kept throwing to me this whole uh, the term modest.
Speaker 7: You know, you're modest and your modest in you And
Speaker 7: I just thought, you know, there's some people who have
Speaker 7: their entire body covered to toe and the feathers, and
Speaker 7: there are long drapes and there's you know, all this stuff.
Speaker 7: And I keep thinking, is that because.
Speaker 1: It's a distraction. I can't even follow the word.
Speaker 7: I can't get a capacitated hat. You had a church,
Speaker 7: they wear drapes, You get back in church.
Speaker 1: You need to stop. I'm a piscopellion. I'm are you
Speaker 1: my statements? You need to back in church?
Speaker 2: Are you wait a minute, Are you a m e
Speaker 2: or you're episcopealion?
Speaker 1: You know if he was a I'm a pispeion. I'm Catholic,
Speaker 1: light like Catholic, like I grew up acoly I was
Speaker 1: an acolyte. Yes, drink wine and all that stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they have like background, they have like silky Rode
Speaker 6: silk rolls and stuff too. But I have to say,
Speaker 6: because Creslow Dollar name got called that he was in person,
Speaker 6: he was the exact outfit of Pastor Mike Todd. My
Speaker 6: Chester friend just texted me that I had to text
Speaker 6: her to get it right. It was Pastor mike'sd that
Speaker 6: was wearing Crep Dollar was.
Speaker 4: Not you know, if he was just raising money for Jets.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, he said, no, no.
Speaker 12: No, no about it dollar again Jets and he needed million.
Speaker 12: He needed a cool.
Speaker 4: Thirty six million for America.
Speaker 7: Lock the doors, lock the East.
Speaker 6: The West, lay your money on the altar, lay on
Speaker 6: the even until you do.
Speaker 2: Even if Sawis can get it wrong, and I think
Speaker 2: that it is a testament to the fact that God.
Speaker 4: Uses all of us. If a rock can cry out,
Speaker 4: certainly he can use.
Speaker 6: I have to say that Jesus was po Jesus was poe,
Speaker 6: and he was rising up against the scribes and the
Speaker 6: Pharisees who were taking money from the people and not
Speaker 6: serving the people. So I'm just saying this may be
Speaker 6: being flashy, it may be popular with some of our
Speaker 6: you know, our Christian faithful, our fellow. And I'm a Christian.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying that that I'm not I believe in
Speaker 6: the Lord, but I just know the Lord wasn't rolling
Speaker 6: in Christian lubatants Christian because he Christian and lubatant and
Speaker 6: a little.
Speaker 2: Bit here Jerusalem's joy so that I can have a
Speaker 2: red bottom and so say that I would like to
Speaker 2: live in abundance in this Yes, on some trips, I.
Speaker 1: Do not want the little short white guy down in Texas.
Speaker 1: What's his name? Short white guy lighting, the little short
Speaker 1: white guy that that preaches the abundance abundance gospel all
Speaker 1: the time, the little man the last name.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm I'm gonna get in trouble for this, but
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna tell y'all right now, Joe Olstein reminds
Speaker 2: me a lot of John Edwards.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 2: He feels kind of like a sociopath. He blinks a lot.
Speaker 2: In anybody that blink that much, I think they learn.
Speaker 7: So nobody who stayed too long on your head and.
Speaker 4: Then the people.
Speaker 6: So I'm just like he said, you ain't messing up
Speaker 6: my shirt with dirty but.
Speaker 7: I think you came have not learned that you're don't
Speaker 7: fight with Christians because they they they.
Speaker 4: All four of us Christians.
Speaker 7: I'm just just whether what they wear, what they say.
Speaker 7: There's one judge.
Speaker 1: In the next headline, next headline, guy.
Speaker 2: Last thing you started it, Makari. But the only last
Speaker 2: thing I'll say is Brother Mike and our church. And
Speaker 2: back in the day said I ain't judging you, but
Speaker 2: I'm just a fruit inspector.
Speaker 4: So I'm just inspecting the fruit.
Speaker 2: So you know you are responsible for the fruit too
Speaker 2: bare and right now, literally I'm confused, but I would
Speaker 2: like to wear a bread body for.
Speaker 1: The For the record, I do want you to know
Speaker 1: Drewski got thirty million views in twenty hours, so I
Speaker 1: will tell you this. I wrote a whole chapter in
Speaker 1: my last book, The Moment, about the fact that the
Speaker 1: commercialization of the Black Church has become a problem, and
Speaker 1: I think that we're beginning to see that hit.
Speaker 7: Don Tyler wrote the whole book about that.
Speaker 4: Spirit in the Spirit of Catholics and episcopealions.
Speaker 1: Ah, let's move on, Joy, I'm gonna let you. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let you toss to yours because this was a
Speaker 1: great clip about our friend Robin.
Speaker 6: Kelly absolutely representative the well no Robin Kelly Congress from
Speaker 6: right now. But we you know, we believe it on God,
Speaker 6: this is gonna be elevated position of the.
Speaker 1: Brands.
Speaker 6: You use it, all of us. So Robin Kelly has
Speaker 6: decided that it is time for impeachment. And the person
Speaker 6: that she's targeting for impeachment is not the orange one,
Speaker 6: but rather his face fall off melted sister friend to
Speaker 6: fold angry uh cowboy hat wearing Barbie Christy Nomes. She
Speaker 6: says she should be impeached. And here's the clip.
Speaker 10: Mister speaker, I rise today to announce I will be
Speaker 10: impeaching Homeland Security Secretary Christie Nome. Secretary Nome has violated
Speaker 10: the Constitution and she needs to be held accountable for
Speaker 10: terrorizing our communities. Operation Midway Blitz has torn apart the
Speaker 10: Chicago land area. President Trump declared war on Chicago, and
Speaker 10: then he brought violence and destruction to our city and
Speaker 10: our suburbs in the form of immigration enforcement. In my district,
Speaker 10: federal agent repelled down from black Hawk helicopters and burst
Speaker 10: into an apartment building in the South Shore area. They
Speaker 10: drag us citizens and non citizens alike out of their
Speaker 10: beds in the middle of the night. They claim the
Speaker 10: apartment was infiltrated by members of a Venezuelan gang. I
Speaker 10: don't understand this president's obsession with Venezuela, but they did
Speaker 10: not arrest a single member from that gang.
Speaker 1: She was a matter of fact, I want to know
Speaker 1: what spoke to you about that clip, because you must
Speaker 1: have just been watching watching Congress one day. But that
Speaker 1: was powerful. And we always talk about people doing the work,
Speaker 1: and I think that although I'm not a huge fan
Speaker 1: of putting another impeachment resolution about Donald Trump, I do
Speaker 1: get a however, whatever anyway.
Speaker 4: I do think they definitely need to have on this show.
Speaker 1: We were to have it next time. Anyway, I do
Speaker 1: think that this impeachment, bringing her in front of that's
Speaker 1: why this selection is so important, bringing her in front
Speaker 1: of oversight, talking about the things that she did. I
Speaker 1: think it's so important because the DHS is running by yeah, and.
Speaker 6: The thing that I noted about that she went on
Speaker 6: obviously to talk about Renee Goods murder in Minneapolis, but
Speaker 6: I really wanted to focus on the part about the
Speaker 6: ice agents repelling onto that apartment building in Chicago, as
Speaker 6: She pointed out, if they were there to supposedly get
Speaker 6: members of Trend de Aragua, this narco terrorist gang that
Speaker 6: they that were supposedly at war with, they didn't arrest
Speaker 6: a single person in charge them with being a part
Speaker 6: of that gang. There were no arrests regarding gang activity
Speaker 6: or terrorism. But what they did do, and she pointed
Speaker 6: this out, was film the entire encounter and release that
Speaker 6: footage as like a promo video, like an episode of cops.
Speaker 6: What people need to understand, as y'all are listening to
Speaker 6: this podcast, ICE is not necessarily arresting more people than
Speaker 6: Biden than during the Biden or Obama administration, just doing
Speaker 6: it more publicly. They're doing it more theatrically. They're sending
Speaker 6: more people to private detention, which is enriching private detention
Speaker 6: companies like Geogroup, who gave money to Trump, and they're
Speaker 6: doing the theatrics and cruelty of the process more than they're
Speaker 6: actually arresting people for crimes. They're not finding criminals repelling
Speaker 6: onto their apartments, extracting them and charging them in most cases,
Speaker 6: they're holding them in ICE detention, making money for these
Speaker 6: private prison operators who are getting record sums and whose
Speaker 6: stocks are skyrocketing, and then they're releasing them. Where are
Speaker 6: the prosecutions of supposed narco terrists? This is all theatrics.
Speaker 6: It's designed to distract from the Epstein files. It's designed
Speaker 6: to tell Trump's base that he's keeping his promise of deportation,
Speaker 6: and to show videos of the cruelty. The cruelty is
Speaker 6: literally the point.
Speaker 1: That's right, And I think we have to remember that
Speaker 1: ICE was founded in two thousand and one, right. ICE
Speaker 1: is not an age old federal agency that we're accustomed to.
Speaker 1: And I think that even the mission, we can argue
Speaker 1: over that mission, some people agree, some people don't agree,
Speaker 1: but at one point served a purpose. We can argue
Speaker 1: that point. But I think that regardless of how you
Speaker 1: feel about that, even just an amish that I pronounced
Speaker 1: this last right amash amos As has come around to
Speaker 1: say that it has so diverged away from its original
Speaker 1: mission and purpose, which you can agree or disagree was whatever,
Speaker 1: that now ICE has no place in American society. And
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people, from Joe Rogan
Speaker 1: to justin Homage to even libertarians are coming to say
Speaker 1: it's like the Gestapo in the middle of the street. Really,
Speaker 1: what are they doing? And is this what America should
Speaker 1: look like?
Speaker 7: Not to mention their budget to be so irrelevant, is
Speaker 7: larger than what the Navy is that the latest they.
Speaker 1: Have a badget.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that.
Speaker 7: Larger than the unit of the Armed Services, one of
Speaker 7: the units of the Armed Services charged with protecting the peace, safety,
Speaker 7: security of the United States and all of its interest
Speaker 7: and assets around the world. I mean, Donald Trump has
Speaker 7: gotten out of this group exactly what he has always
Speaker 7: intended his own police force. And they are taking their
Speaker 7: instructions from the top, which is why they are so
Speaker 7: rickety everywhere they go. You know how they say, your
Speaker 7: slip is showing. Everything is showing about these folks because
Speaker 7: they have one mission, and that is to serve Donald Trump.
Speaker 7: And I will tell you, y'all, we got to be
Speaker 7: We're gonna have to be fierce and serious and intentional
Speaker 7: about our takedown of this organization which just had his
Speaker 7: budget doubled and one year and the big bad ugly
Speaker 7: bill that was passed by the Republicans proposed by Trump
Speaker 7: so that this group doesn't become the group that tries
Speaker 7: to keep us from ballot boxes either, in the midterms
Speaker 7: or or in the general elections. And I don't mean
Speaker 7: to throw that out to be sensational. I do believe
Speaker 7: this man is building his own on m forces for
Speaker 7: his purposes alone.
Speaker 6: Amen.
Speaker 2: I just looked up a headline Andrew to your point.
Speaker 2: It says ICE is now richer than most of the
Speaker 2: world's militaries thanks to Trump's new funding annual budget increase
Speaker 2: from eight point seven billion to twenty seven point seven
Speaker 2: billion over the summer. And they said was seventy five
Speaker 2: billion dollars allocated to the agency over the next four years.
Speaker 2: We're going to have that article in the show notes
Speaker 2: for our viewers and our listeners to read.
Speaker 1: I mean, but I just think that ICE. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, let's flush this out a little bit,
Speaker 1: because I know we didn't spend enough time on Renee
Speaker 1: Good last week because of the timing of our taping. ICE.
Speaker 1: They're still in Minnesota, They're still in American cities. I mean,
Speaker 1: we had the National Guard in American cities. We're seeing them.
Speaker 1: Ice even just the same day or a day later,
Speaker 1: shot two individuals in the Great State of Oregon. And
Speaker 1: then I get that one.
Speaker 7: I have to make sure time.
Speaker 1: Good, Thank you, I was deliberate. Thank you. And so
Speaker 1: I think that we need to have a conversation about
Speaker 1: I want to I want to talk on the issue
Speaker 1: of law enforcement and tactics, but I wanted to hear
Speaker 1: you all's thoughts about Renee good, what we're seeing in
Speaker 1: Minnesota and that how the leadership is meeting this moment
Speaker 1: or not.
Speaker 7: Joy, you're gonna share what you trusted that that video, Oh.
Speaker 4: There is the woman who was pulled out of the vehicle.
Speaker 4: We do have that video.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, maybe we can start there.
Speaker 1: Just so you know what we saw was, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: arrested and they pulling not just black and brown folk,
Speaker 1: but they pulling, They shooting white women in the face,
Speaker 1: pulling them out the car. I don't know what he
Speaker 1: was like.
Speaker 7: This coman was Latino, but she also described herself as handicapped.
Speaker 4: Yes, oh yeah, and.
Speaker 1: She was on the way to it, and she was
Speaker 1: on the way to a doctor's appointment. Just to give
Speaker 1: full context that the people couldn't see it. They smashed
Speaker 1: out her windows and drug her out the car. Joy
Speaker 1: brought this to our attention. So, Joy, I want to
Speaker 1: hear your just fifty thousand foot view of what we're
Speaker 1: seeing and you know why we're seeing this and doesn't
Speaker 1: have any tie into the fact that what did he
Speaker 1: call the Somoli community garbage? Is that what he is?
Speaker 1: That what he called him, He's.
Speaker 6: Called him everything but a child of God? Yeah, garbage, criminals.
Speaker 6: I mean, the reality is they're also, by the way,
Speaker 6: attacking Indigenous people. Several tribal members have been picked up
Speaker 6: by ice, which is about as ironic as it gets.
Speaker 6: The colonizers dragging Indigenous people out of their cars and
Speaker 6: attempting to call them quote unquote illegal. And so I
Speaker 6: think what you're seeing now, I think to the point
Speaker 6: that Andrew made is it's just terrorism. At this point,
Speaker 6: they're trying to terrorize communities. They're going door to door
Speaker 6: in states like Minnesel anyone who's in the street who
Speaker 6: doesn't immediately jump when they say jump, they're dragging them
Speaker 6: out of their cars, smashing their cars, driving their cars away,
Speaker 6: which is car theft, kidnapping, people, grabbing people out of work.
Speaker 6: If you're rude to them, they feel that they have
Speaker 6: the right to push you, shove you, brutalize you to
Speaker 6: try to get you to react so that they can
Speaker 6: then charge you with what they've charged Lamonica mcgiver with
Speaker 6: obstructing and attempting to make her into a criminal. We're
Speaker 6: literally just witnessing. And I think Andrew called it right
Speaker 6: is it is a gestapo? You know, even Joe Rogan
Speaker 6: can be right once in a while. Because Trump has
Speaker 6: his own paramilitary force. We don't know if these people
Speaker 6: were former January sixth insurrectionists. Are they proud boys? They're
Speaker 6: doing forty seven days of training in honor of Donald
Speaker 6: Trump being the forty seventh president. They drop the amount
Speaker 6: of training down from ninety days to forty seven days
Speaker 6: in honor of Trump. It's a joke. They're not even
Speaker 6: training them. And I will note, by the way, they're
Speaker 6: getting ten thousand dollars signing bonuses, in some cases fifty
Speaker 6: thousand dollars bonuses. They're earning between sixty and one hundred
Speaker 6: thousand a year. In an economy where people can't get jobs,
Speaker 6: they're leaving this as essentially the only job available and
Speaker 6: heavily recruiting white men at gun shows and anywhere else
Speaker 6: they think they can get them. And I'll lastly add
Speaker 6: they're encouraging retired Border patrol people who left the Border
Speaker 6: Patrol because they were dissatisfied with Biden's policies. They're recruiting
Speaker 6: them back and giving them huge signing bonuses, and they're
Speaker 6: forgiving their student loans. If the small percentage that have
Speaker 6: college degrees, I.
Speaker 1: Mind you just to give some Oh, I wanted to
Speaker 1: just to give a clow context. Now. I thought of you.
Speaker 1: Barbers and beauticians in most states have to have longer
Speaker 1: than forty seven days of training than Ice does in
Speaker 1: your local communities. I just wanted to throw that footnote
Speaker 1: out there. I'm sorry, Angela, go ahead, No.
Speaker 4: You're good.
Speaker 2: I had my solo pod tape Tuesday, and I had
Speaker 2: Rachelle Balilin, who's the sheriff from Philadelphia, who talked about
Speaker 2: what will happen if Ice comes and tries to do
Speaker 2: the same thing in her city. What I think is
Speaker 2: important and is the coordination that needs to happen between
Speaker 2: law enforcement agencies, local and state law enforcement agencies, and
Speaker 2: the city attorney, the state's DA, you know, the district attorney.
Speaker 2: It's really really important that these folks are all working
Speaker 2: together state attorney General. We're seeing that happen in Minneapolis,
Speaker 2: but we're also seeing where the mayor is currently saying
Speaker 2: that ICE agents outnumber their law enforcement and so they're
Speaker 2: not able to arrest them in ways that makes sense.
Speaker 2: What rachelle Blau said on the show is that the
Speaker 2: DA can still issue a warrant, right like, they can
Speaker 2: still Yes, they can still issue a warrant for the
Speaker 2: arrest of these ICE agents. The challenge on the back
Speaker 2: end is we all know as these people are walking
Speaker 2: around masked, which should not be the case. Congressman Jasmine
Speaker 2: Crockett introduced legislation last year in twenty twenty five calling
Speaker 2: for It's the Clear Act, calling for them to have
Speaker 2: to be unmasked, and I think that is the least
Speaker 2: they can do. Some of these people are faking as
Speaker 2: if they're ICE agents, and I think that's another big piece.
Speaker 2: So when all in all, I really want there to
Speaker 2: be coordination with law enforcement. The thing that I think
Speaker 2: is rich about this happening in Minneapolis is Joy brought
Speaker 2: it up earlier.
Speaker 4: This is the epicenter of the George Floyd murder and the.
Speaker 2: Resulting protests, you know, the community unrest because people are like,
Speaker 2: this is what Minneapolis Police department could do to one
Speaker 2: of our own. This is also the epicenter of Filando
Speaker 2: Casteele's murder, which happened, of course before George Floyd. And
Speaker 2: we should not escape that the same people that this
Speaker 2: community now needs to rely upon to overcome ICE are
Speaker 2: the same folks who took the lives of black men
Speaker 2: in our community. And so we have to wrestle with
Speaker 2: the trauma that exists just holding that like, I need
Speaker 2: you to work with me now, and I'm barely trusting you.
Speaker 2: And so somebody like put in the comments yesterday or
Speaker 2: tuesday for the pod they said, well.
Speaker 4: Now you trust law enforcement.
Speaker 2: It's not that but this is all hands on deck approach,
Speaker 2: and I need law enforcement to prove itself trustworthy. So
Speaker 2: what does it look like to coordinate with the DA,
Speaker 2: to coordinate with the Attorney General to ensure that ICE
Speaker 2: isn't running a MUK Because it was black men first,
Speaker 2: Now it's a white woman who was shot in the face,
Speaker 2: and now it's her wife that they're trying to place
Speaker 2: under investigation by the FED. So if the FEDS want
Speaker 2: to act above the law, that I need for the
Speaker 2: states and for the cities and for counties to step
Speaker 2: in and do what is the right thing to do?
Speaker 7: With this, I shudder in some ways to think about
Speaker 7: what kind of armed conflict can be created in communities
Speaker 7: all around this country if the state, in the counties
Speaker 7: and the cities were to ban together under their states leadership,
Speaker 7: county and city leadership against federal agents who is already
Speaker 7: know it's already said, are are are showing up military
Speaker 7: style larger than the collective resources of of of security
Speaker 7: a community can offer. I will you know, but Carl,
Speaker 7: last week you said it was sort of tongue in cheek.
Speaker 7: You know, you can tell a guy who's never been
Speaker 7: in a fight, you know, as a kid or otherwise,
Speaker 7: these agents reek of of of of what it is
Speaker 7: to be dislike a not seen, ignored all throughout your
Speaker 7: middle high school time. Uh didn't they didn't you know,
Speaker 7: all these things and now all of us, Yeah, someone
Speaker 7: someone's in. And the lesson here isn't like being mean
Speaker 7: to people. It is actually embraced people see them, you know,
Speaker 7: so that when they get the job that they think
Speaker 7: is the most important thing they've ever done in their
Speaker 7: lives on earth, and now they've got the power of
Speaker 7: God at their waist belt to take life. That that
Speaker 7: that the abusiveness I can't. I can't. I can't shut
Speaker 7: my eyes to the video that we showed earlier of
Speaker 7: this woman who's one getting conflicting instructions from these guys.
Speaker 7: They're yelling and then they band together, almost like a gang.
Speaker 7: There are no lanyards with their names swinging from their chests. No,
Speaker 7: it is camouflage. Their faces are covered and with a
Speaker 7: brief opening at the nose and at the eyes. This
Speaker 7: woman can't tell that these are law abiding citings, law enforcers,
Speaker 7: or gangs who are trying to pull her out of
Speaker 7: her car. And we're supposed to be respectful to people
Speaker 7: who don't even have the dignity and self respect to
Speaker 7: show up and show your goddamn face. Local law enforcement
Speaker 7: has to when they patrol in our cities. They can't
Speaker 7: show up at your doorstep massless, with no name covering
Speaker 7: it and refusing to tell you who they are. They
Speaker 7: must identify themselves, and if they haven't done it, you,
Speaker 7: as a citizen, can compel them to do it. These guys,
Speaker 7: if you ask them, they say, you have no right
Speaker 7: to ask me anything. I'm gonna arrest you. They start
Speaker 7: bullying you, ganging up on you. These guys aren't law
Speaker 7: enforcement officials. These aren't trained season law enforcement officials. These
Speaker 7: these folks are thugs, That's what they are. They're thus
Speaker 7: and they're they're known by a different recognition than how
Speaker 7: we normally call them. But it doesn't get more thuggish
Speaker 7: than what they're doing and cowardly. And I would like
Speaker 7: to see federal judges decide that law enforcement officials cannot
Speaker 7: enter any place in this country with a masked face
Speaker 7: and no name badge.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you why Andrew's point is so salient,
Speaker 1: because you were your segue was just brilliant, because I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about the role of the federal government,
Speaker 1: our court system, and the laws we have in place.
Speaker 1: Because I wanted to quote jd. Vance who recently said
Speaker 1: the president here is very simple. You have a federal
Speaker 1: law enforcement officer engaging in federal law enforcement enforcement action.
Speaker 1: That's a federal issue. That guy is protected by absolute immunity.
Speaker 1: He was doing his job. Let me also tell you this,
Speaker 1: that's a lie. That is not correct, That is not
Speaker 1: the truth. That is nowhere near what the law states.
Speaker 1: But we are having whether or not it's an ice agent,
Speaker 1: or whether or not you are in the middle of
Speaker 1: Williamsburg County, South Carolina, where I'm not sure they have
Speaker 1: a traffic light and an officer shoots you. We're having
Speaker 1: a serious, robust issue about qualified immunity in this country.
Speaker 1: That's why elections are important. That's why these house seats
Speaker 1: are so important, because, yes, qualified immunity is an issue.
Speaker 1: That's also why he stood on the corner of the car.
Speaker 1: That's also why that family, in all likelihood is going
Speaker 1: to have a very difficult time recouping anything in a
Speaker 1: civil settlement, because that officer is simply going to be
Speaker 1: able to say that I believed, that's his words, I
Speaker 1: reasonably believe that my life was in danger. That is
Speaker 1: all they have to say. And qualified immunity is a
Speaker 1: very real issue, and it's something that's coming to the
Speaker 1: forefront when we're talking about issues like this. And I
Speaker 1: just want the audience to understand that this good family,
Speaker 1: there is a very high likelihood that like men black families,
Speaker 1: like both of John for example, they will never see
Speaker 1: any type of justice. They won't see justice criminally because
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to prosecute these officers, and they won't
Speaker 1: see justice civilly. But shot out to Larry Krassner, who
Speaker 1: is the district attorney in the city of Philadelphia, who
Speaker 1: simply said that if ICE agents come to his city
Speaker 1: with masks on and they terrorize individuals, he is going
Speaker 1: to prosecute those officers, those ICE agents to the fullest
Speaker 1: extent of the law. He's going to make sure they
Speaker 1: are and he's going to ask his city police officers
Speaker 1: and county sheriff's deputies to arrest these ICE agents if
Speaker 1: they violate the law in the city of Philadelphia. We
Speaker 1: need more people on the state and local level to
Speaker 1: take that as what Angela said, because right now, these
Speaker 1: families that I represent, when we go out here in
Speaker 1: courts and we spend five six weeks or five six
Speaker 1: months excuse me, fighting for them in civil court, and
Speaker 1: then they get a thrown out because they were shot
Speaker 1: in the back five six times. But the officer said
Speaker 1: he felt like his life was in danger. That is
Speaker 1: indicative of what qualified immunity is, and I hope more
Speaker 1: people are opening their eyes to it.
Speaker 6: I can I just say though there is a precedent
Speaker 6: in Minnesota. Though I'm sorry, Angela, go ahead, you go first.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, go ahead.
Speaker 6: It is that way, until it isn't that way, right,
Speaker 6: because Derek Chauvin and those other three officers were in
Speaker 6: the course of doing their duties and still wounds up
Speaker 6: getting prosecuted. And there was a gentleman named Mohammed Noir.
Speaker 6: I believe it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mohammed Noir. He shot the white woman. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: they gave the white woman twenty million dollars.
Speaker 6: And they gave her twenty million dollars. So I would
Speaker 6: say that the good family probably has a good case
Speaker 6: because this officer. The other thing, JD. Vance said. He said,
Speaker 6: this officer was traumatized by previously being dragged by a car,
Speaker 6: meaning I'm sorry, why was he not only in the
Speaker 6: field but also the leader of that team. This is
Speaker 6: a guy who's been on the four since about twenty fifteen,
Speaker 6: so he's experienced. But Jadie Vance said publicly he was traumatized,
Speaker 6: So why was he even out there at all? Number two,
Speaker 6: he seemed to be non fearful enough to take his
Speaker 6: cell phone video tape the entire interaction, then switch hands,
Speaker 6: put the phone in the other hand so he could
Speaker 6: draw his gun and shoot her in the phase three
Speaker 6: times and then walk away scamper off like he wasn't
Speaker 6: injured at all and call her in f and B
Speaker 6: on his own recording and then leak that recording to
Speaker 6: Alpha News or right wing news outlet. He seemed to
Speaker 6: have presence of mind that he'd done something wrong. He
Speaker 6: leaked the recording to try to save himself. Why does
Speaker 6: he is he raising a GoFundMe for his legal defense
Speaker 6: if he doesn't think he's got a legal problem. So
Speaker 6: I think there's qualified immunity that you think you have,
Speaker 6: and then there's what you really need to face in
Speaker 6: the law, either at the state or federal level. I
Speaker 6: think justice is coming from mister Ross.
Speaker 3: Events.
Speaker 1: I pray that I'm wrong, I really do. And I've
Speaker 1: been jaded by just going taking these families into these
Speaker 1: courthouses and losing these cases on qualified immunity. So I
Speaker 1: pray that I'm wrong, and I pray that the good family.
Speaker 1: But Mohammed Nuur is a perfect example of how justice
Speaker 1: ain't just because. Mohammed Nuur, for those who who don't know,
Speaker 1: was a Somali American police officer, law enforcement officer, and
Speaker 1: he shot a white woman, and mind you, it was
Speaker 1: bad policing, but there was no true fight. He was
Speaker 1: arrested immediately, he got sentenced to twenty years, ended up,
Speaker 1: if I recall correctly, ended up appealing that and serving
Speaker 1: fifty seven months. He's out of jail now if I
Speaker 1: think I remember that right, and the family sued and
Speaker 1: settled for twenty million dollars compared at to both of John.
Speaker 1: His family will never see a dollar a dollar, the
Speaker 1: both of them. John family won't see a dollar. And
Speaker 1: he was sitting in his house eating ice cream when
Speaker 1: a white woman busting his door and shot him dead.
Speaker 1: So I pray that justice is just for the good family.
Speaker 1: And it might be she's a white woman. We'll see.
Speaker 2: I do want to just offer our condolences to her family.
Speaker 2: This is a thirty seven year old mother of three
Speaker 2: children who was shot and killed trying to protect your community.
Speaker 2: As we've witnessed a lot of Minneapolis residents doing what
Speaker 2: I think is also important.
Speaker 4: I want to draw our attention.
Speaker 2: There was a graphic that the Department of Homeland Security
Speaker 2: did put up in a collaboration with the White House,
Speaker 2: and it will have our home again if you watch,
Speaker 2: if you go to Instagram, this song plays. But apparently
Speaker 2: this is a neo Nazi like anthem. Now, if you
Speaker 2: play this song, it's by God will have our Home Again.
Speaker 2: And I just would like to remind white people everywhere
Speaker 2: that this in fact was not your home first. It
Speaker 2: might be now because people were welcoming of you, and
Speaker 2: perhaps you can tap into that just a little bit.
Speaker 2: Canada also has a page up hate Opedia and they
Speaker 2: talk about what by God will have Our Home Again
Speaker 2: means to a number of neo Nazi organizations, and yet
Speaker 2: the Nazis seem to be taken over our federal government.
Speaker 4: So that's that.
Speaker 2: On that, I would like to just show y'all one
Speaker 2: more thing on a slightly lighter note.
Speaker 1: One second before we go to slightly lighter, can we
Speaker 1: do one more thing? Because we started with her, and
Speaker 1: I'd like to end with her, because Andrew brought up
Speaker 1: a good point that Christy Nome, you can tell that
Speaker 1: she's been elected a few times, you can tell that
Speaker 1: she's served, you can tell that she's actually the consummate
Speaker 1: politician for all the negative attributes that may mean. I
Speaker 1: wanted to play the Christy Nome clip from Jake Tapper's
Speaker 1: interview and how she stays on message and you can
Speaker 1: see that's the message shit. That is what the message is.
Speaker 1: So can we play the clip from Jake Tapper and
Speaker 1: Christy Nome this weekend, just a little snippet of it.
Speaker 13: I want to ask a question about the rules of
Speaker 13: how law enforcement is allowed to engage when feeling threatened.
Speaker 13: Per your assertions, what is the appropriate response for the
Speaker 13: police officers in this situation?
Speaker 3: Those are law.
Speaker 13: Enforcement officers being physically attacked. By this standard, would any
Speaker 13: of those officers being justified and shooting and killing the
Speaker 13: people causing them physical harm?
Speaker 14: A single situation is going to rely on the situation
Speaker 14: those officers are on. That they know that when people
Speaker 14: are putting hands on them, when they are using weapons
Speaker 14: against them, when they are physically harming them, that they
Speaker 14: have the authority to arrest those individuals.
Speaker 13: President every single one of those peoples.
Speaker 14: And make sure that they're getting justice for their actions
Speaker 14: going forward.
Speaker 13: President Trump partoned every single one of those every.
Speaker 14: Single one of these investigations comes in the full context
Speaker 14: of the situation on the ground. And that's one thing
Speaker 14: that President Trump has been so focused on is making
Speaker 14: sure that when we're out there, we don't pick and
Speaker 14: choose which situations are and which laws are enforced and
Speaker 14: which ones aren't. Every single one of them is being
Speaker 14: enforced under the Trump administration.
Speaker 13: I just showed you video of people attacking law enforcement officers,
Speaker 13: and I just said President Trump pardoned all of them.
Speaker 13: And you said that President Trump is enforcing all the
Speaker 13: laws equally. It's just not true. There's a different standard
Speaker 13: for law enforcement officials being act if they're being attacked
Speaker 13: by Trump supporters.
Speaker 1: We just saw them.
Speaker 7: There's no difference in standard. The issue is man. She
Speaker 7: just crystallized the phrase that I've heard so often. You
Speaker 7: can tell a person's lying because their mouth is moving,
Speaker 7: like I've heard that a lot before, and I understood
Speaker 7: the context of it, but it's never been more true.
Speaker 7: This is a woman who, without any situation or awareness
Speaker 7: analysis debriefing, got up and called this woman a domestic
Speaker 7: terror terrorist and carried on around a scenario that she
Speaker 7: clearly did not observe herself, because she made it up
Speaker 7: in her head as she was talking. She is dangerous.
Speaker 7: I made jokes about her in the Centerfold and how
Speaker 7: she comes into character, you know, at every different press
Speaker 7: conference and so on and so forth. But she's a
Speaker 7: very very dangerous person because ignorance is not a it's
Speaker 7: not a negative. Is it doesn't subtract from her her ignorance.
Speaker 7: She is what my English teacher in high school used
Speaker 7: to call vain glorious in it, it's to be vain
Speaker 7: and to bask while while being so vain, right, so
Speaker 7: so Bakari on steroids, right, vain glorious, to be vain one,
Speaker 7: But I had to hit you.
Speaker 1: But but if you.
Speaker 7: Swag it fan, you know at our response, y'all have it.
Speaker 7: But all I'm saying is that for someone to be
Speaker 7: so uninformed, so ignorant, but so willfully ignorant, and I'll
Speaker 7: here commanding the size of employment, employment that she commands
Speaker 7: more than majority of militaries in the world, and to
Speaker 7: be so goddamn dumb and happy as dumb is incredible
Speaker 7: and extremely dangerous.
Speaker 1: It also shows you the level of mediocrity can just
Speaker 1: white media came in on to. I mean, I try
Speaker 1: to use that with with Barack Obama and Donald Trump. Right,
Speaker 1: you think about Barack Obama had to be he was
Speaker 1: editor in chief of the Law Review. And let me
Speaker 1: just tell you that you got to be you were
Speaker 1: you editor in chief because I know.
Speaker 15: One of us names together, but you have to be
Speaker 15: the top tink anybody sintilla all the way up there
Speaker 15: to be president of the United States.
Speaker 1: And Donald Trump's able to fall into that. Look at
Speaker 1: look at Secretary of Austin for example, and everything that
Speaker 1: he had to do, and all of his accomplishments in
Speaker 1: the military and honorable accomplishments, and Pete Hesketh. I mean,
Speaker 1: you just look at at Jay Johnson.
Speaker 7: And then all of the criteria for nearly every one
Speaker 7: of them.
Speaker 1: She shot her dog. She shot her own dog, okay.
Speaker 6: And she was barred from the indigenous tribes in her
Speaker 6: own state when she was a Sorry, go ahead, angel.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, you guys.
Speaker 2: I appreciate this deep dive on CHRISTINOAM and Barack Obama
Speaker 2: and Donald Trump, but I have something really important. Let
Speaker 2: me tell you what happens when White Ice comes up
Speaker 2: against Black Ice.
Speaker 4: Let's please rolle this clip.
Speaker 7: On the guy.
Speaker 6: I can do it.
Speaker 2: You don't see this in the full clip. We cut
Speaker 2: it pretty quickly. But he's he's running towards somebody who
Speaker 2: is escalating the situation. And then the Ice agent comes
Speaker 2: across Black Ice.
Speaker 4: He still he running full speed on that Black.
Speaker 2: Ice bus is behind, gets up and does the onet eighty.
Speaker 2: He gets he gets sent right back to the black
Speaker 2: SUVD eight and spent all your taxpair dollars on. But
Speaker 2: I just love the fact that he thought he was
Speaker 2: gonna run up on somebody and that black ice run
Speaker 2: up on his ead.
Speaker 4: I loved it.
Speaker 6: And this is why we give to the church. But
Speaker 6: when they wear it, Christian Lupata.
Speaker 4: The doors of the church are now open. So is off.
Speaker 7: Bless you when you least expected.
Speaker 1: I didn't want you to know that hurt. That hurt
Speaker 1: because he got it like it didn't hurt.
Speaker 2: He pure adrenaline and humiliation. But he let me tell you,
Speaker 2: I love Nick. Can you run it one more time?
Speaker 2: Just start one more time?
Speaker 4: But a couple of seconds.
Speaker 2: You know they've been please, you know, hurting each other
Speaker 2: and hitting each other, doing all kind of put downs
Speaker 2: on the show Nick of maybe Nick won't.
Speaker 4: Run it again.
Speaker 2: There it goes, here goes one more time, you kind
Speaker 2: of here go.
Speaker 4: We need to put that in slow motion.
Speaker 2: Isn't there a closer up version, a closer up version.
Speaker 1: Calling them all types of names? My version is came't
Speaker 1: here to get us unrated.
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys cuss on here.
Speaker 7: They deserve come uppings come up much worse, right, I
Speaker 7: mean the accountability that has to be had for this
Speaker 7: out of control a component of our government. I mean
Speaker 7: the laundry lists for if Democrats are fortunate to gain
Speaker 7: power again, the laundry list of the stuff they must
Speaker 7: the wheels they must break. Listen, I stay, I stay,
Speaker 7: consciously under expectant of anything.
Speaker 1: We got a little bit of time on this, on
Speaker 1: this segment before we don't.
Speaker 4: We don't, we don't. We got to do cause to action,
Speaker 4: and I and.
Speaker 1: I got our action ain't gonna take ten minutes, I know,
Speaker 1: but we also have.
Speaker 7: My call to action is that, yes, there's a lot
Speaker 7: of misery out there, but there are also some rays
Speaker 7: of hope when we see white men and white women
Speaker 7: and brown skin and black folks standing up in Chicago
Speaker 7: and in New York, and in Pennsylvania and in Oregon
Speaker 7: and in Washington State and in Minnesota. People who ain't
Speaker 7: never been to a protest in their life, who went
Speaker 7: on camera, who gave interviews saying they did test protests
Speaker 7: and thought it was a useful, wasteful bit of time
Speaker 7: for people who did it, said they didn't know what
Speaker 7: else to do to show their outrage and discuss the
Speaker 7: disappointment in the country that they thought they had.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 7: I ain't asked them who they voted for for president,
Speaker 7: but all this stuff comes full circle their consequences for
Speaker 7: this thing, and it just really sucks that the people
Speaker 7: who voted for the man can't be the ones who
Speaker 7: experiences consequences. I ain't vote for him, right, but we
Speaker 7: all have to experience those consequences. But I'm thankful to
Speaker 7: the people who are showing up, who are shouting these
Speaker 7: people down, who are shrouding people who are being harassed,
Speaker 7: and hugs and circles with hands held to keep them safe.
Speaker 7: There have been huge outpourings of this all around the country,
Speaker 7: and I don't think we'd give it enough appreciation for
Speaker 7: those who are showing up and doing it. The people
Speaker 7: are went in.
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Speaker 2: Nobody knows well we have a viewers share someone who
Speaker 2: is near and dear to this show. Garland Gilchrist sent
Speaker 2: a video in off of his latest news, So let's
Speaker 2: go ahead and take a.
Speaker 17: Lot a Native Lampard family, Lieutenant Governor Garland gil Chris
Speaker 17: and Michigan.
Speaker 3: Happy New Year, y'all.
Speaker 17: Tiff Andrew baccari I continue to respect and appreciate what
Speaker 17: y'all building by. Angela reached out to me because she
Speaker 17: wanted to understand what was going on because I made
Speaker 17: some news this week. You know, I made the decision
Speaker 17: to suspend my campaign and be the next governor of Michigan.
Speaker 3: But I'm not leaving the fight.
Speaker 17: There's so much important work that has to be done,
Speaker 17: not only in Michigan but in America, yo. And that's
Speaker 17: why on Monday I now said I'm gonna be running
Speaker 17: for Secretary of State of Michigan to open the doorway
Speaker 17: to democracy.
Speaker 3: Why for the people in the state that matters, yo.
Speaker 17: That comes from the conversations that I have all over
Speaker 17: Michigan this year and for the last seven years that
Speaker 17: I've been in service, people screaming about how expensive everything is,
Speaker 17: but also saying that, you know what, if we can't
Speaker 17: vote and trust it, if we can't vote and make
Speaker 17: that vote count, if Donald Trump destroys this democracy and
Speaker 17: voting process, then we can't vote in people to hold
Speaker 17: these corporations accountable. We can't vote in people to protect
Speaker 17: our environment. We can't vote in people to get the
Speaker 17: money out of politics. And you know what, the first
Speaker 17: time I ran for office. I ran to being a
Speaker 17: lession administrator in twenty seventeen. That's something that's near and
Speaker 17: deer to my heart. I'm worried about the challenge for
Speaker 17: the voting right sack that could come down in any
Speaker 17: minute and be the final knife in the heart of
Speaker 17: that important legislation that gave my grandparents, my parents, and
Speaker 17: me the right to vote.
Speaker 3: We got to protect and defend that.
Speaker 17: So I'm using every skill I have as an engineer,
Speaker 17: an entrepreneur, a problem solver, as systems builder that makes
Speaker 17: things work for people to apply that to the democratic
Speaker 17: process here in Michigan. And I think if we get
Speaker 17: to write in Michigan will get it right everywhere. So
Speaker 17: appreciate y'all always looking out for me. We got work
Speaker 17: to do, and I'm asking people to go to Garland
Speaker 17: coqurs dot com and support me to be Michigan's next
Speaker 17: Secretary of State.
Speaker 3: My eyes are still on the prize.
Speaker 17: I want to be the governor one day, but let's
Speaker 17: be secretary of state in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: Thanks y'all stands hall.
Speaker 1: I love Garland, but I you know, elected officials in
Speaker 1: self awareness is keen. I don't know anybody who said,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to be governor and then like
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, oh, I want to go protect
Speaker 1: election integrity. I want to know what I want to know,
Speaker 1: Like if you could be governor, you be governor. I
Speaker 1: mean I understand. I'm as we hang up and figure
Speaker 1: out what's going on, I want to tol you.
Speaker 7: That's where his heart toward public service began was in
Speaker 7: making sure people had access to the ballot box. I
Speaker 7: have always found Garland to be one genuine but suspect
Speaker 7: for him all around and also always always striving, whether
Speaker 7: it's in conflict or in you know, in solidarity and peace.
Speaker 7: The brother goes the extra model to try to understand.
Speaker 1: The whatever that is.
Speaker 7: And most politicians I know keep it moving. They can
Speaker 7: give you a good job.
Speaker 3: I love, but.
Speaker 2: You got you guys, If you can allow joy to
Speaker 2: say something before we bring on our guests, that would
Speaker 2: be great. It's a lot of back. It was supposed
Speaker 2: to be quick, friends. Let's go, Joey, what you got
Speaker 2: real quick? I'll be real quick. God bless anybody who
Speaker 2: stands for public service. And I just hope if you're
Speaker 2: getting in it, you're getting in it. To actually do
Speaker 2: something serious and not just talk. We got to do
Speaker 2: something about these people, not just talk about them.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: I just would like to remind Garland Gill Chris that
Speaker 2: on this here show when uh governor almost called her Whitfield,
Speaker 2: that's not her name, Governor Whitmer, Jesus, I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm struggling. When Governor whit Whitmer came on here, we
Speaker 2: lit her up about why she didn't endorse you, and
Speaker 2: now we got to ask her about secretary of State.
Speaker 2: So I'm in my feelings, in my feelings about it,
Speaker 2: but you know, we wish you the best and whatever
Speaker 2: you do, Garland. And obviously elections need to be protected
Speaker 2: because your president is out here snatching congressional districts, voter
Speaker 2: id early voting usps, postmarks and all the rest.
Speaker 4: So with that, his.
Speaker 7: Biggest regret was not seizing the voting machines, and that's
Speaker 7: what he said.
Speaker 6: And what the paramilitary force. Now, that's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And with that, Bakari, we have somebody specially I
Speaker 4: know you want to bring on. Let's go ahead and
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 1: No, I'm gonna let you in she part of your care.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you, and I'm gonna let you and
Speaker 1: I enjoy handle that introduction.
Speaker 4: She's part of all of our crew.
Speaker 1: She is part of our crew. But but she is
Speaker 1: she a machete. I don't know, I don't know know,
Speaker 1: but she's she.
Speaker 2: We love her nonetheless, the creator, the creator of the
Speaker 2: very important historic award winning sixteen nineteen project, A sister
Speaker 2: who fights for us when we see it and when
Speaker 2: we don't. This is none other than Nicole Hannah Jones,
Speaker 2: who's joining us day to talk about Trump's attack on
Speaker 2: civil rights because Donald Trump and we should put that
Speaker 2: headline up, has said that civil rights were very bad
Speaker 2: for the whites, and I'm sure Nicole Hannah Jones has
Speaker 2: some things to say about this. They were very badly
Speaker 2: treated as a result of civil rights. Nicole said, surprise,
Speaker 2: not surprised, y'all you should have been paying attention.
Speaker 4: Hey says how you doing?
Speaker 18: Hey, Hey, how are y'all good?
Speaker 1: Welcome home, welcome.
Speaker 18: Home, thank you.
Speaker 19: I'm just gonna say that that felt like some subtle
Speaker 19: shade Bakari. But andrews, thank you for welcome.
Speaker 4: I got Nicole.
Speaker 1: He literally.
Speaker 4: It's never said.
Speaker 2: When he joined the show, he said that we needed
Speaker 2: a Beyonce and there's a Farah in here somewhere. On
Speaker 2: tips last day, he told her that she was Fairris.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 7: He loves.
Speaker 1: I love y'all, law I love you. I love y'all.
Speaker 7: Law.
Speaker 1: I do want to hear your take, though, because I
Speaker 1: know that I know that there is this sentiment that
Speaker 1: we we I think the five of us can honestly
Speaker 1: say we told y'all this was going to be the case.
Speaker 1: I mean we You know, if it walks like a
Speaker 1: racist and quacks like a racist, it probably is a racist.
Speaker 1: And you know, back in the day on seeing it,
Speaker 1: and I got in trouble for saying that Donald Trump
Speaker 1: uses racism as political currency. I didn't even call him a.
Speaker 4: Racists and got in trouble me too.
Speaker 7: You should have said the racist think he's a racist.
Speaker 1: Debaters, tell me, tell me what's your analysis of this
Speaker 1: new uh new truth telling that Donald Trump is doing well.
Speaker 19: Donald Trump is not doing new truth telling, but all
Speaker 19: of a sudden people are recognizing and taking him at
Speaker 19: his word for what he's saying.
Speaker 18: I mean.
Speaker 19: What I've read this a couple of times now where
Speaker 19: people are saying, oh that the Wokes were they were right.
Speaker 19: They were just prematurely right, which is an insane thing
Speaker 19: to say. Right, is that, you know, even though we
Speaker 19: were trying to warn people that this is who Donald
Speaker 19: Trump was, this is this is where the Republican Party
Speaker 19: was going, that his election was not about economic anxiety
Speaker 19: but demographic anxiety. We were dismissed, often by our own colleagues,
Speaker 19: by the people who were moderate, and also frankly by
Speaker 19: people who have not spent any serious time studying the
Speaker 19: history of this country, in the history of race in
Speaker 19: this country, and those of us who have studied it. Right,
Speaker 19: we're not just basing this off of our lived experience,
Speaker 19: like we researched this, we have gained an expertise. We
Speaker 19: were dismissed by people who were just going on vibes, right,
Speaker 19: like white vibes. So it doesn't it doesn't feel good
Speaker 19: to be right. We're in a terrible place in this country.
Speaker 19: But I do want some acknowledgement that folks tried to
Speaker 19: tell you. We wrote about it, we talked about it,
Speaker 19: we lectured about it. When we were cast off as biased,
Speaker 19: as hyperbolic, as hysterical. So the other days, you know,
Speaker 19: I posted a piece I wrote literally a decade ago
Speaker 19: when Donald Trump was elected the first time, and we
Speaker 19: were told that because some white voters had voted for
Speaker 19: Obama that it couldn't have had anything to do with race.
Speaker 19: And once again we're like, you don't know your country.
Speaker 19: You're reporting on your country, you're trying to help people
Speaker 19: understand their country when you don't understand it yourself. So
Speaker 19: how I feel is, I don't even want to say
Speaker 19: I felt vindicated because we knew we were right. We
Speaker 19: knew we were right because they know what we were
Speaker 19: saying on our understanding of actually having studied and gained
Speaker 19: it for Tea's in the country.
Speaker 7: Professor, I'm sorry I had to have interrupted. I just
Speaker 7: didn't they know too. I mean, this is not a revelation.
Speaker 7: It can't be a revelation for anybody, including white folk,
Speaker 7: that there were things they were willing to walk past
Speaker 7: and sake of a thing greater that they wanted. You know,
Speaker 7: clearly it wasn't going to be to their detriment. They
Speaker 7: had determined that in their own mind's eye, right that Okay, well,
Speaker 7: it ain't the thing that I'm going out and saying
Speaker 7: at work tomorrow. But if he want to do it,
Speaker 7: you know, let it be and I'll hold my nose,
Speaker 7: is what I'm telling my friends, because he's not so
Speaker 7: toxic as Hillary Clinton or whatever the thing was they
Speaker 7: were saying about her. Just to me, it doesn't seem
Speaker 7: like this is a moment where we're like, we told
Speaker 7: you so it is. We told you, then we're telling
Speaker 7: you again. Now y'all heard us, and you knew it.
Speaker 7: Then you've just walked past it.
Speaker 19: I think it's some of both. Certainly, there's a large
Speaker 19: perhaps most of white Americans, a large percentage, maybe even
Speaker 19: more than half, who knew exactly who Donald Trump was,
Speaker 19: and he was speaking to them. And in that piece
Speaker 19: I wrote ten years ago, I talked to some of them.
Speaker 19: You know, they're like, oh, it was liberating. This is
Speaker 19: what we've always felt. We felt like, you know, Obama
Speaker 19: in the White House was supposed to make it so
Speaker 19: we never had to talk about race again. And you're
Speaker 19: complaining about Trayvon Martin and there's a black man in
Speaker 19: the White House.
Speaker 18: We don't want to hear about it anymore.
Speaker 19: And here comes Trump and he's saying all the things
Speaker 19: that we now because of the civil rights movement, because
Speaker 19: of efforts to pretend we were a more racially egalitarian society.
Speaker 19: It was no longer acceptable to say these things in
Speaker 19: civil society, and then Trump was saying them. So there
Speaker 19: is a large population that felt liberated by that. But
Speaker 19: I also think there's a significant population that, frankly was
Speaker 19: in denial that unless he was out there saying the
Speaker 19: N word every single day, they wanted to pretend that
Speaker 19: not only was he not racist, but that you know,
Speaker 19: he's just a buffoon when he says he wants to
Speaker 19: run again in twenty twenty eight, he's just joking. He's
Speaker 19: not to be taken seriously. Or they also were in
Speaker 19: denial about how many folks were willing, like who didn't
Speaker 19: actually believe in democracy in the first place. I think
Speaker 19: they actually thought all of these old guards believed in democracy.
Speaker 19: They drank that kool aid, and when we were saying, no,
Speaker 19: this is actually going to be attack on democracy, I
Speaker 19: don't think a lot of people took it seriously.
Speaker 18: I don't think they believed it.
Speaker 19: So I think what we have is this convergence of
Speaker 19: both of those things. And now you have folks, I mean,
Speaker 19: Joe Rogan who's like, oh, we don't want to like
Speaker 19: really now you're worried about a gestapo that you helped
Speaker 19: Usher in. So I think you know you said something important, Andrew.
Speaker 19: Folks were willing to accept other people's destructions.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 19: They believed wholeheartedly that their whiteness would mean they would
Speaker 19: not also face destruction. And now they're waking up to
Speaker 19: the reality of what we were trying to say all
Speaker 19: the time. It's frankly, you cannot have this much inequality
Speaker 19: and maintain your democracy.
Speaker 1: Let me ask a question because I want to help
Speaker 1: talk to each other.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring joy and you in this conversation
Speaker 1: because for me and I think Andrew probably has a
Speaker 1: similar feeling, maybe you know, being elected before running trying
Speaker 1: to trying to persuade voters, no matter what they look like,
Speaker 1: where they come from. You kind of walk into politics
Speaker 1: with this naivete that you're going to be able to
Speaker 1: convince people to vote for you, you know, because you
Speaker 1: all have the same issues, right, no matter if you're
Speaker 1: white or black, have a Confederate flag, you want to
Speaker 1: believe that you want your mama to have access to
Speaker 1: prescription drugs like you don't want to have to struggle
Speaker 1: and when you see people like Joe Rogan, and I
Speaker 1: want to toss to that clip right now. But when
Speaker 1: you see people like Joe Rogan have these moments of truth,
Speaker 1: Joy Nicole, how do we process that? How do we
Speaker 1: accept them? Do we accept them? Do we discount them?
Speaker 1: Do we disregard them? Do we say I told you so?
Speaker 1: What do we do with the Joe Rogans, who's, by
Speaker 1: the way, speak for millions of people, unfortunately or fortunately
Speaker 1: and even more importantly, millions of voters that are going
Speaker 1: to be important in twenty twenty six and twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1: So let's talk to the clipping on the other side.
Speaker 1: If Professor and if joy of y'all can can respond
Speaker 1: to that, I'd appreciate it.
Speaker 20: You don't want militarized people in the streets just roaming
Speaker 20: around snatching people up, many of which turn out to
Speaker 20: actually be US citizens that just don't have their papers
Speaker 20: on them. Are we really going to be the the Gestapo?
Speaker 20: Where's your papers? Is that what we've come to is
Speaker 20: that part.
Speaker 7: Of the reckless, the way in which they've done it,
Speaker 7: had they all been brown and not white women and
Speaker 7: all these others.
Speaker 1: Do even is that question even? Is that question even
Speaker 1: relevant with people who are having these come to Jesus Joy.
Speaker 7: Well, Jesus only because they see themselves reflected.
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I'm gonna watch what they do, not what
Speaker 6: they say. Person. My guess is the next election ballot
Speaker 6: comes in front of Joe Rogan, he votes exactly the
Speaker 6: same way if Donald Trump was on the ballot again,
Speaker 6: he votes exactly the same way. People like Joe Rogan
Speaker 6: that just asking questions. Guy, he's and he does speak
Speaker 6: for lots and lots of unintelligent, uneducated white men who
Speaker 6: are angry about literally what Donald Trump said. Donald Trump
Speaker 6: is very transparent. They are mad about the civil rights movement.
Speaker 6: They do feel that voting rights and civil rights for
Speaker 6: black people took away their rights as white men to
Speaker 6: be mediocre and successful, to get into college even if
Speaker 6: they didn't deserve it, to get jobs they didn't deserve.
Speaker 6: And they're putting that back in place now. Notice the
Speaker 6: men and women they hire who are white are underqualified,
Speaker 6: and that's by design. They want back the world in
Speaker 6: which being mediocre and white means that there's no barrier
Speaker 6: to your success. And they're pissed off that excellent non
Speaker 6: white people have gotten to rise but I will say
Speaker 6: that the Joe Rogan revelations are because they didn't expect
Speaker 6: to have to watch it. The reason that I b
Speaker 6: Well's was so powerful, the reason that Emmett tells mom
Speaker 6: what she did was so powerful is white people want
Speaker 6: to have privilege and they want to have non white
Speaker 6: people get hurt, but they don't want to have to
Speaker 6: have to watch it. They don't want to have to
Speaker 6: have their souls implicated in it. And so because they're
Speaker 6: now watching their gardener's bridge, they're right. They don't want
Speaker 6: to watch John Lewis get beat. They just wanted to
Speaker 6: get beat without them having to see it and having
Speaker 6: to be accountable for it. And I think the accountability
Speaker 6: of the fact that this administration wants to broadcast the cruelty.
Speaker 6: They want to make it into like a cops show.
Speaker 6: So they're making everybody watch it. It's all over social media,
Speaker 6: they're posting it on social media, and so people like
Speaker 6: Joe Rogan are going like, wait a minute, I didn't
Speaker 6: know they were going to go and home depot and
Speaker 6: get the guy who's going to fix my house. I
Speaker 6: didn't know they were going to go get the you know,
Speaker 6: the guy that I'm buying our repus from on the
Speaker 6: side of the road. Hang on a second, I can't
Speaker 6: get food at my restaurant because all the workers won't
Speaker 6: show up. Who's going to serve me my beer? Who's
Speaker 6: going to serve me my food? So now they're realizing, oh,
Speaker 6: this does impact me, And so I'm interested to watch
Speaker 6: them come to this revelation that they should have been
Speaker 6: able to figure out by us just literally telling them.
Speaker 6: But I'm more interested in what do they do with
Speaker 6: that information, And I'm very dubious that most of them
Speaker 6: are going to do something different. I do think there's
Speaker 6: a percentage of them. Forty percent of white folks have
Speaker 6: always voted with us for a long time, since since
Speaker 6: the sixties. So I think those forty are going to
Speaker 6: get stronger. Those forty are going to get louder. Those
Speaker 6: forty are going to get more outraged that white women
Speaker 6: are getting shot in the face now that they're now
Speaker 6: on the table. But those forty are who we need
Speaker 6: to focus on. The sixty gotta come to Jesus on
Speaker 6: their own. I'm not about recruiting them because they are
Speaker 6: usually unchangeable, Madam Professor, So you.
Speaker 19: Know, I I mostly agree with what Joy said. One
Speaker 19: thing that we always have to just confront is the
Speaker 19: truth of the fact that we're thirty teen percent of
Speaker 19: the population, and so we have to build coalition. So
Speaker 19: we can sit here and wag our fingers and be
Speaker 19: like we were right, welcome to the America we've always
Speaker 19: lived in, or we can figure out, okay, well, welcome
Speaker 19: to the America we've always lived in. Now how do
Speaker 19: we actually move forward and try to build a sustainable coalition.
Speaker 19: But I also agree that that coalition cannot be predicated
Speaker 19: on us having to pretend we don't have the racialized
Speaker 19: experience that we have that so often and this is
Speaker 19: even with the forty percent who votes with us right
Speaker 19: like they were blaming us for Trump. They were saying,
Speaker 19: if y'all had stopped talking about race so much, if
Speaker 19: trans people would just disappear and be quiet, then we
Speaker 19: wouldn't be here. And so it can't be what doctor
Speaker 19: King called the negative peace right, like a justice that's
Speaker 19: based on us having to be erased or us just
Speaker 19: pretending that we don't have the experience that we have.
Speaker 19: So I think we clearly have to figure out how
Speaker 19: to make coalition. The problem is the history of this
Speaker 19: country is that coalition is almost never sustained, and there
Speaker 19: are more of us than them. Just numerically, if you
Speaker 19: add the forty percent of white Americans who vote our
Speaker 19: way and then the vast majority of people who are
Speaker 19: not white, there are more of us than them. But
Speaker 19: that's also why we have Donald Trump in the White
Speaker 19: House now right, why we're seeing these policies, why at
Speaker 19: the moment where people of color largely decide democracy, a
Speaker 19: lot of elite white folks say it actually just kidding.
Speaker 19: We don't believe in democracy anymore. And that's really what
Speaker 19: we're going to be up against more than anything, more
Speaker 19: than building coalition, is do we have a fair election
Speaker 19: in twenty twenty eight?
Speaker 18: Are we going to.
Speaker 19: Lose our representation in Congress through redistricting and through this
Speaker 19: Supreme Court case? And I'm not sure how we come
Speaker 19: overcome that. Coalition building alone won't overcome that. So I'm afraid,
Speaker 19: you know, we're in for some very dark days that
Speaker 19: are not going to be changed by whoever is in
Speaker 19: the White House next.
Speaker 1: Let me just also say that while we're recording right now,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if we do break and breaking news,
Speaker 1: but I'm the lead of the show, so we're going
Speaker 1: to throw this out there and try to figure it
Speaker 1: out as we go. But the Department of State just
Speaker 1: announce they will pause immigrant visus processing from seventy five
Speaker 1: countries whose migrants take welfare from the American people at
Speaker 1: unacceptable rates. Mind you, those seventy five countries are all
Speaker 1: black and brown. I think that adds some context and
Speaker 1: contour to the conversation we're having. I'm sorry, Andrew, I'm
Speaker 1: going to cut you off.
Speaker 4: I was actually gonna, oh, go ahead.
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Angela.
Speaker 4: So I want to just tap in here for a
Speaker 4: moment again.
Speaker 2: Hearkening back to this New York Times piece where Donald
Speaker 2: Trump talks about as a result of civil rights legislation
Speaker 2: and progress for US, white people were treated badly.
Speaker 4: So deepening into that.
Speaker 2: When you look at voting rights, white people aren't treated badly.
Speaker 2: When you look at venture capital, white people aren't treated badly.
Speaker 2: When you look at employment rates in this country, they
Speaker 2: are not treated badly. When you look at college education,
Speaker 2: degree attainments, degree attainment, white people are not treated badly.
Speaker 2: When you look at the wealth gap and home ownership
Speaker 2: rates in this country, white people are not treated badly
Speaker 2: wage disparities, even the most recent Department of Transportation dB
Speaker 2: regulation changes that will no longer allow disadvantaged businesses.
Speaker 4: To be to consider race or gender.
Speaker 2: White people are not treated badly, and when you look
Speaker 2: at tenured professors, something you know very well about Nicole
Speaker 2: white folks aren't treated badly in carcon racing race.
Speaker 4: We can keep going.
Speaker 2: As of this twenty twenty, the number of Fortune five
Speaker 2: hundred CEOs who were white men was over eighty five percent.
Speaker 2: The number of white CEOs total in Fortune five hundred
Speaker 2: companies was over ninety two percent, according to Scherm, which
Speaker 2: is the I can't remember it's a human resources organization
Speaker 2: led by a black man. Sixty six percent of men
Speaker 2: hold the C suite positions for the fort one thousand.
Speaker 4: Saying all that to say white people aren't treated badly.
Speaker 2: But the EEOC, which has now changed its mission to
Speaker 2: help white men, recently put out this PSA.
Speaker 4: Let's roll that clip.
Speaker 21: I'm Andrew Lucas, Chair of the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.
Speaker 21: Are you a white male who's experienced discrimination at work
Speaker 21: based on your race, sex? You may have a claim
Speaker 21: to recover money.
Speaker 4: In your federals is a Saturday night live clip.
Speaker 21: Contact the EOC as soon as possible. Time limits are
Speaker 21: typically strict for finally acclaim. The EOC is the federal
Speaker 21: agency charged with enforcing federal anti discrimination law against businesses
Speaker 21: and other private sector employers. The EOC is committed to identifying, attacking,
Speaker 21: and eliminating all forms of race and sex discrimination, including
Speaker 21: against white male applicants and employees. Check out EOC dot
Speaker 21: gov to learn more and read our one page explainer
Speaker 21: about DEI lilated discrimination.
Speaker 1: I thought she was slinging peels or something like, are
Speaker 1: you a white male who can't get it up at night?
Speaker 1: Please reach outreach out to than us.
Speaker 7: They know those stats, Angela. They go to the golf courses,
Speaker 7: they have dinner together, they have tailgates together. They know
Speaker 7: where their friends are working and and and who helped
Speaker 7: their child get into college. What is bothering them is
Speaker 7: now their children, who are coming home and getting back
Speaker 7: on the couch, are there because they have to compete
Speaker 7: with me and you and all the rest of us
Speaker 7: on this screen right now, and our children and they're
Speaker 7: you know, so on and so forth, and their adjacency.
Speaker 7: It feels like they're adjacency to the power. The person
Speaker 7: who makes the moves and the decision is just getting
Speaker 7: a little bit further Now instead of a finger reach,
Speaker 7: it's maybe an arms less reach from where they are.
Speaker 7: You didn't ask me this, Bakari, and I may be
Speaker 7: crucified for this way of thinking. But numbers do matter, Nicole.
Speaker 7: You bought it up and you did too. Joy around
Speaker 7: what percentage black people are in this country? Why we
Speaker 7: got to bring some people to our side if we're
Speaker 7: going to ever see advancement. I knew that same thing
Speaker 7: running for governor of Florida and what I what I
Speaker 7: was not going to do, and I appreciated as system
Speaker 7: and co bringing it back to our displacement and discomfort
Speaker 7: and having to do this where we it's okay and
Speaker 7: the you know, go along to get along is we
Speaker 7: weren't going to be in my townholl mediaing ands you
Speaker 7: talked about I ain't.
Speaker 3: Got a racist.
Speaker 7: No, guess what, let me tell you what I believe.
Speaker 7: I think we all got it. We all said some things.
Speaker 7: I think we do some things. And guess what it
Speaker 7: may not even be on our conscious brain. Our lived
Speaker 7: experiences may have shaped us into this thing and you
Speaker 7: just knee jerk react that way. But guess what, I
Speaker 7: don't I'm not calling you a racist because it feels
Speaker 7: like a static position. You did some racist shit, you
Speaker 7: think it's some racist thoughts, and you may do some
Speaker 7: racist stuff tomorrow, but the day after that you have
Speaker 7: a choice of change. What are you going to do
Speaker 7: to change? Are you going to allow it to go
Speaker 7: from the recesses of your mind to your frontal load
Speaker 7: so that when you're doing these things, I don't want
Speaker 7: you going and understanding I'm vote. I vote blind. Color
Speaker 7: doesn't matter, see my color. Because if we don't talk
Speaker 7: about it now, and you go in that ballot box
Speaker 7: and it's just you in that paper and the recesses
Speaker 7: of your mind start to take control, it may convince
Speaker 7: you that a black man cannot possibly be governor of
Speaker 7: this state. So long as you to go in there
Speaker 7: and no, you know what, there's a black man running
Speaker 7: for governor, and you know it over these days and
Speaker 7: listening to him and the debasem da da da da da,
Speaker 7: I think he could be a good governor. Don't let
Speaker 7: the recesses be the dictate on your actions. You you
Speaker 7: still have the chance to change I've done some things
Speaker 7: I ain't proud of as relates to race and gender
Speaker 7: and all these kinds of things, and you have to
Speaker 7: and guess what. We live to fight another day. You
Speaker 7: can still change. And again I don't, I don't. I
Speaker 7: don't say that in a pollyannish kind of way. The
Speaker 7: intention is to like bring it to your conscious brain
Speaker 7: that you're doing this shit all the time, the microaguessions,
Speaker 7: locking your car, pulling your purse, crossing the street, all
Speaker 7: those kinds of things that you do without even thinking.
Speaker 7: But I see it and I experience it. It embarrasses me,
Speaker 7: but you do it anyway, So let's talk about it.
Speaker 4: Nicole.
Speaker 7: You can crucify me, because I know that is polyannic sounding,
Speaker 7: but it was the only way I could get through
Speaker 7: without feeling dishonest.
Speaker 2: And if you can to call also folding your response
Speaker 2: to this PSA about white men needing to find EEOC claims,
Speaker 2: please whatever that, I'm just.
Speaker 19: Gonna quickly say that Andrew, I actually don't think everybody's racist.
Speaker 19: I think everybody does have prejudice. I think we do
Speaker 19: prejudge things, but I feel like racist is a very
Speaker 19: particular term. And when we say that we actually let
Speaker 19: white supremacy off the hook. I don't know black folks
Speaker 19: walking around thinking that they as a race are superior
Speaker 19: to white Americans, or that white Americans should be denied
Speaker 19: access to opportunity and that we should set up top
Speaker 19: a hierarchy. Now, we may have prejudice against white Americans
Speaker 19: based on our own experiences or based on our own stereotypes,
Speaker 19: but I think we have to make a distinction because
Speaker 19: racism is really about system and frankly, I don't care
Speaker 19: if you don't like black people. What I do care
Speaker 19: is if you have the power to alter my opportunities
Speaker 19: in my life. So I just want to be clear there.
Speaker 19: As for the EEOC, so there's two things that always
Speaker 19: kind of stand out to me when I hear this.
Speaker 19: And I'm actually been working on a story about the EEOC,
Speaker 19: so I can't say too much because I don't want
Speaker 19: nobody still in my report. But the thing that they
Speaker 19: cannot respond to who is doing the discriminating They're basically
Speaker 19: what they're arguing is in a white majority country where
Speaker 19: white people hold all the levers of power, that white
Speaker 19: people are being victimized by white people.
Speaker 18: That's the argument.
Speaker 19: I mean it really is right, Like the who's making
Speaker 19: admissions decisions at these elite schools. They know who's hiring
Speaker 19: a fortune five hundred, they know the law firms that
Speaker 19: they win after, who's running them, who's making all these
Speaker 19: hiring decisions. And so just like that anti se Rt frenzy,
Speaker 19: where we were to believe that a teaching force that
Speaker 19: was eighty percent white had a bunch of white women
Speaker 19: telling little white Johnny that he was the racist devil.
Speaker 19: It defies logic, right, So when they're making these claims,
Speaker 19: they are never saying who they are talking to about
Speaker 19: that is doing the discriminating, because the only people in
Speaker 19: power to do systemic discrimination against white people are white people,
Speaker 19: and that doesn't make sense. Okay, But the second thing
Speaker 19: is just by you laying out angelo, which which we
Speaker 19: I don't see enough in media right when they're when
Speaker 19: Trump is making the claim about civil rights five minutes
Speaker 19: on the internet. And you can refute all of that
Speaker 19: with data, peer reviewed, easily accessible. You can pick government data,
Speaker 19: academic data, like it's the data from the companies themselves,
Speaker 19: you could easily refute it.
Speaker 18: But what we are in is a narrative war.
Speaker 19: The facts are relevant, the fact that six percent of
Speaker 19: doctors are black means black folks ain't taking no white
Speaker 19: people's jobs, less than three percent of lawyers.
Speaker 18: Right, just go down the list.
Speaker 19: Right, we're underrepresented at every elite institution and most non
Speaker 19: elite institutions, and we're overrepresented at the bottom. Right, service sector,
Speaker 19: low wate jobs, community colleges, and predatory academic institutions. We
Speaker 19: are overrepresented. But that is irrelevant. What matters is the narrative,
Speaker 19: and the narrative is to make white people feel because
Speaker 19: white people do feel something, right, they do feel I mean,
Speaker 19: I talk about this sometimes.
Speaker 18: Remember I was flying on a plane, I think I was.
Speaker 19: I think I was leaving Detroit, and every single person
Speaker 19: in first class was black, And you know, usually want
Speaker 19: to ask, every single person in first class is black?
Speaker 19: And you watch the the white people come across the
Speaker 19: jet bridge and they turn that corner and all of
Speaker 19: a sudden, like their whole world is off kilter. Now
Speaker 19: going back to coach or comfort plus with everybody in
Speaker 19: first class is white.
Speaker 18: To you.
Speaker 19: But if you have to go back to comfort class
Speaker 19: or coach and everybody in first class is black, then
Speaker 19: suddenly your status is looking a little shabby. Right, And
Speaker 19: even though that's not reflective of America. We know most
Speaker 19: most black folk, like most planes you write on anywhere,
Speaker 19: it might be one black person in first class. But
Speaker 19: just that one incident, I was just watching their faces.
Speaker 19: It was like a pause for a second. And so
Speaker 19: what Donald Trump and this administration is tapping into is
Speaker 19: a sense among a month excuse me, amongst white Americans,
Speaker 19: not that they're slipping, that they're losing something, period, but
Speaker 19: they feel like they're losing something relative to us, and
Speaker 19: we have to unders and this is how segregation works.
Speaker 19: Most white Americans, the only black people they know are
Speaker 19: black people in the same situation as them. They don't
Speaker 19: experience the vast majority of black folks who are living
Speaker 19: in segregated neighborhoods, who don't have access to quality schools,
Speaker 19: who are working jobs that don't pay well. If you
Speaker 19: are a white person and you know a black person,
Speaker 19: you know because I work with you, or I'm in
Speaker 19: the same supermarket, or I might be a handful of
Speaker 19: black people who live in your neighborhood. And so that
Speaker 19: perception is, oh, black people live in just like me,
Speaker 19: And that's not how the world is supposed to be
Speaker 19: that's what happens in a racial hierarchy. So that's what
Speaker 19: they're tapping into. It doesn't matter what the data and
Speaker 19: the facts are, because what I know what I know,
Speaker 19: and this is all I'm going to say, because again
Speaker 19: I'm reporting on it. We know who the most race
Speaker 19: discrimination complaints that go to the EEOC come from black folks,
Speaker 19: because we also know from data and sociological research that
Speaker 19: black people face the most discrimination in the job market
Speaker 19: of all racial groups.
Speaker 18: So they don't have enough cases.
Speaker 19: To bring a reverse reverse discrimination which is also a
Speaker 19: made up term which says discrimination against white people is different,
Speaker 19: which also tells you about racial hierarchy. They don't have
Speaker 19: enough cases to bring, so they have to solicit them
Speaker 19: because they have no evidence of the claim that they're
Speaker 19: trying to make, So they have to produce the evidence
Speaker 19: and read the story when it comes out. But that's
Speaker 19: what we're seeing, and it is unprecedented. The EEOC, which
Speaker 19: was literally created out of the nineteen sixty four Civil
Speaker 19: Rights Act to ensure Black Americans had an equal opportunity
Speaker 19: in the workforce, has never ever issued a solicitation for
Speaker 19: a particular race or particular gender to file complaints they've
Speaker 19: never done that, and so to use that unprecedented moment
Speaker 19: to call on white men who are overrepresented right in
Speaker 19: every field that is a leading pays. Well, that's about narrative.
Speaker 19: They know that it doesn't they know it doesn't exist.
Speaker 19: The last thing I'll say on this, sorry, you can
Speaker 19: tell I've been thinking.
Speaker 7: A lot of love it.
Speaker 19: If they really believed that white Americans were facing rampant discrimination,
Speaker 19: why would you gut civil rights agencies. You cannot at
Speaker 19: once say white people are facing discrimination, they don't have
Speaker 19: access to education, they don't have access to jobs, they're
Speaker 19: facing all of these programs are discriminating against them, and
Speaker 19: then say we need to eliminate the entire civil rights
Speaker 19: divisions of the justice not well, shrink right, decapitate the
Speaker 19: civil rights enforcement mechanism of the federal government. If you
Speaker 19: believe that people are facing rampant discrimination, you would want
Speaker 19: that very strong so they could root out all of
Speaker 19: this illegal discrimination white.
Speaker 18: People are experiencing.
Speaker 19: But instead they know that's not true, they gut the
Speaker 19: civil rights agencies, and then they can complain about how
Speaker 19: victimized they are.
Speaker 18: That's my answer.
Speaker 7: Amen, I love it. She said you extinguished the Arsenal.
Speaker 2: If you had a last question, but do I want
Speaker 2: to make sure you get in to ask our dear
Speaker 2: sister any question, offer any comment books.
Speaker 1: I know you got to get out of here too,
Speaker 1: and I want to make sure we got.
Speaker 6: So absolutely well my last question, very and you answered
Speaker 6: much of what I would have asked. So I'll just
Speaker 6: skip to my media question. Because the New York Times
Speaker 6: did this reporting about what Donald Trump said in that
Speaker 6: editorial interview. Assess for me where you think the mainstream
Speaker 6: media is in being able to talk about Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: We've now had his former lawyer Michael Cohen say that
Speaker 6: he was a racist. We've now had him himself say
Speaker 6: that he opposed the Civil Rights Act. I don't know
Speaker 6: what more evidence the media needs to change its language.
Speaker 6: What do you make of the fact that despite Donald
Speaker 6: Trump putting so much more evidence on the table, putting
Speaker 6: what Ice is doing on the table, the language hasn't changed.
Speaker 6: And in fact, in the Barry Weiss world, it's it's
Speaker 6: gone the other way, where people are saying, we need
Speaker 6: to increase our understand of people who support this.
Speaker 19: I'm not gonna comment on the Barri Wiss world because
Speaker 19: Barry Weiss to me, is not a journalist at all.
Speaker 19: What she's producing is is not any of based on
Speaker 19: any of the journalistics standards and ethics that me, a
Speaker 19: trained journalist, was actually brought up on. But I will
Speaker 19: say I have seen a subtle shift. I have seen
Speaker 19: now reporting that says he said something racist. They don't
Speaker 19: call him a racist, and frankly, I don't care. They
Speaker 19: don't have to call him a racist, but you do
Speaker 19: have to properly describe what he's doing and what he's saying.
Speaker 19: You know, two years ago they wouldn't have described things
Speaker 19: that he said as racist or things that he's done
Speaker 19: is racist, and they are doing that. So there's subtle
Speaker 19: I don't know that. I won't say, I don't know,
Speaker 19: it doesn't go far enough, but I think what's so important,
Speaker 19: and this is part of like what you're doing joy
Speaker 19: with independent media. The rise of independent media means that
Speaker 19: mainstream media is being pushed, right, You're being pushed to
Speaker 19: sharpen their analysis. You know, it's fascinating that in an
Speaker 19: industry where precision of words, precision of terms is literally
Speaker 19: our bread and butter when it comes to things like
Speaker 19: is this a regime? Describe other similar governments as regimes?
Speaker 19: Is this authoritarianism? Are we seeing fascist actions? Even if
Speaker 19: you don't want to call someone a fascist, Is what's
Speaker 19: happening in Ghana or Gaza a genocide? If all of
Speaker 19: the experts on genocide say that it is, it tells
Speaker 19: you a lot about this idea of objectivity that we
Speaker 19: can't objectively name things still.
Speaker 18: Depending on the subject matter.
Speaker 19: So I think it's I think that we are seeing
Speaker 19: an improvement, but I still think over all the media
Speaker 19: fails more often than not to paint an accurate picture
Speaker 19: of Trump. There's excellent coverage that happens, but then it's
Speaker 19: outweighed by fluff coverage. Right, And so the average American
Speaker 19: you can't, like, on the one hand, like describe these
Speaker 19: authoritarian actions and then do a story about wardrobe.
Speaker 18: Right, It's like, what's the picture that we're getting?
Speaker 19: And I think we just continue to struggle to do
Speaker 19: that and that the media and the end when the
Speaker 19: when the history of this moment is written.
Speaker 18: It's going to it's going to have a pretty shameful legacy.
Speaker 4: I agreed.
Speaker 1: Amen, Thanks troubl I want to say thank you, and
Speaker 1: as we say on this show, welcome home to somebody
Speaker 1: Amazing podcast.
Speaker 4: When the EEO C story drops, please.
Speaker 1: Come back, Oh please welcome home. Thank you so much, brilliant,
Speaker 1: we got It's three, It's three, Andrew.
Speaker 7: Well, imagine every week I'm talking about I'm talking about
Speaker 7: I mean y'all, just y'all levitating today.
Speaker 22: Here, all right, take care say we want to go
Speaker 22: straight into this call to action, love it.
Speaker 23: Who cares about truth and allows more than seen it.
Speaker 6: My call to action today is everyone, remember that the
Speaker 6: Trump regime does not believe in the nineteen sixty four
Speaker 6: Civil Rights Act. You said it's bad for white people.
Speaker 6: So okay, let's play their way. Treat them like gremlins.
Speaker 6: If you own a restaurant, don't feed them. If you've
Speaker 6: got an establishment, don't let them in. They don't have
Speaker 6: to use the bathroom at your place. If you got
Speaker 6: to shut down early at lunchtime, do it. Minnesota restaurants
Speaker 6: are doing just that. We're seeing it in Chicago, We're
Speaker 6: seeing it in many cities. If ice comes to your door,
Speaker 6: just put a sign up on your door that says
Speaker 6: no maths other than medical or allow if you're not.
Speaker 6: If you're wearing a mask and it ain't medical, you
Speaker 6: can't come in here. Treat them like a gremlin. Don't
Speaker 6: feed them. People know that work for Ice, that they
Speaker 6: are not welcome in your establishment and in your city.
Speaker 6: Do it safely, but do it because they need to
Speaker 6: get the message that Ice is not welcome.
Speaker 1: Welcome, but you're always welcome. Joy and read welcome home,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 4: Thank you with us.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, this was so much fun. I love you all
Speaker 6: and there's not a thing you can do about it.
Speaker 1: You welcome home, thank you. Mine is simple mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are very smart. It makes me want to go
Speaker 1: read some books. I wish I had time to be
Speaker 1: reading books again. Anyway. My call to action is the
Speaker 1: breaking news in South Carolina was we have an ongoing
Speaker 1: measles outbreak in South Carolina. It's grown to more than
Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty cases. That's what our state Department
Speaker 1: of Health has reported. More than half of those cases
Speaker 1: were reported in the last week. The vast majority of
Speaker 1: measles cases in the current outbreak have been among children,
Speaker 1: have been among children, and nearly all have been unvaccinated
Speaker 1: with the MMR vaccine. So my caught action is just
Speaker 1: be very cautious. I know that ha make America healthy again. People,
Speaker 1: particularly a lot of my white female friends, were excited
Speaker 1: about Robert Kennedy because he wanted to ban red dye.
Speaker 1: But he's the reason that children in South Carolina are
Speaker 1: getting sick in their lives will forever be altered. He's
Speaker 1: an anti vaxxer who believes taylanol and circumcision causes autism.
Speaker 1: He's a heroin addict. He killed and dumped a six
Speaker 1: month old bear in Central Park. He severed the head
Speaker 1: of a dead beach well, and he said that he
Speaker 1: had a worm in his brain that died after eating
Speaker 1: a portion of it. But people cheered for him, and
Speaker 1: now kids are literally suffering, And so I want people
Speaker 1: to know that elections have consequences. Be very mindful. I'm
Speaker 1: praying for those kids who have measles in South Carolina,
Speaker 1: their entire communities. It is ravishing my great state, and
Speaker 1: unfortunately nobody's saying anything about it.
Speaker 4: That is horrible, horrible.
Speaker 2: I guess I will go now on a slightly lighter note.
Speaker 24: Uh.
Speaker 4: Tianna Taylor won a Golden Globe.
Speaker 2: This past weekend, and during her acceptance speech, she had
Speaker 2: this to say to little brown girls.
Speaker 24: My brown sisters, and little brown girls watching tonight. Our
Speaker 24: softness is not a liability. Our depth is not depth.
Speaker 24: It's not too much. Our light does not need permission
Speaker 24: to sean. We belong in every room we walk into.
Speaker 24: Our voices matter, and our dreams deserve space.
Speaker 7: Thank you so much, everybody.
Speaker 4: We deserve Andrew Gillam, Hey, I.
Speaker 7: Said it before.
Speaker 3: If I just want to double down on what Joy sort.
Speaker 7: Of raised, which is people power, what people can do
Speaker 7: when we just decide to lean in. Take a at
Speaker 7: this clip and see if it inspires you in some way.
Speaker 3: Welcome.
Speaker 25: Yeah, no, the Americans that are sending a message and
Speaker 25: they're saying immigrants are welcome here, no fear, no hate.
Speaker 5: It cannot be that. I don't see anything that's more
Speaker 5: American than that. And I'm here just to experience, and
Speaker 5: so can the goodness of America from the streets of Minneapolis, Minnesota.
Speaker 7: I wanted to.
Speaker 5: Walk with them, but I cannot.
Speaker 7: It is so cold.
Speaker 25: It's probably minus here, so I don't know.
Speaker 4: My bones.
Speaker 5: Couldn't do it. I'm here listening.
Speaker 7: Every word did they utter? Is like a sound track
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Speaker 7: I feel hope in the air, all right.
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