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Speaker 1: of Google. Let's dive in. Hey their podcast listeners, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Part Time Genius. I'm Will Pearson and as always

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by my good friend man guest Ticketer, and

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Speaker 1: dog pods his search engine of preference. That's our friend

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Speaker 1: is still somewhat disputed, but the best guest credits the

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Speaker 1: inspiration to Paul Bouchette, who was the engineer who created Gmail. Now,

431
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 1: in his mind, the motto was quote a bit of

432
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Speaker 1: a jab at a lot of other companies, especially our competitors,

433
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Speaker 1: who at the time, in our opinion, we're kind of

434
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Speaker 1: exploiting the users to some extent, which is a little

435
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,160
Speaker 1: bit too be funny to hear, given what they do

436
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 1: with everything. But you know, Google wanted to set itself apart,

437
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,680
Speaker 1: and most of the higher ups agreed the best way

438
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,400
Speaker 1: of doing so was just to not be evil, which

439
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 1: is interesting because like, what does it really mean? I mean,

440
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Speaker 1: it seems like, just like with that question of how

441
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Speaker 1: to define the importance of a web page, there isn't

442
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 1: actually like a single clear cut definition for evil. Yeah,

443
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,119
Speaker 1: it's true, but you know, if you look at some

444
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 1: of the reports that that have come out about this,

445
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 1: that there there was actually this interesting interview that Eric

446
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,879
Speaker 1: Schmidt did with Wait Wait, Don't tell Me, and I

447
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 1: remember hearing him on the program that time, and he

448
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 1: was blaming the motto and he said, the idea is

449
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Speaker 1: that we don't quite know what evil is, but if

450
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Speaker 1: we have a rule that says don't be evil, then

451
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 1: the employees can say, I think that's evil. So now,

452
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 1: when I showed up, I thought this was the stupidest

453
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Speaker 1: rule ever, because there's no book about evil except maybe

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Speaker 1: you know, the Bible or something. So what happens is

455
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in this meeting and we're having a debate

456
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Speaker 1: about an advertising product, and one of the engineers pounds

457
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Speaker 1: his fists on the table and says, that's evil, And

458
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Speaker 1: then the whole conversation stops. Everyone goes into connections, and

459
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Speaker 1: eventually we stopped the project. So it did work well.

460
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Speaker 1: I mean, I do love that story. And I know

461
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Speaker 1: we can get hung up on whether Google is always

462
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Speaker 1: behaving ethically, but I also kind of like that it's

463
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 1: just this looming guideline. Yeah, and I don't want to

464
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: get too philosophical here, but we should talk a little

465
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Speaker 1: bit more about what evil might be and and how

466
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Speaker 1: Google actually makes its money. But first let's take a

467
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Speaker 1: quick break. Okay, Well, so give it to me straight.

468
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Speaker 1: How evil is Google? Like? Are they lex core people?

469
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Speaker 1: Are are they more like that company from Alien that's

470
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: like constantly getting its employees killed by Alien? So those

471
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Speaker 1: are my two options there. I'm not so sure on

472
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Speaker 1: that one. Now. Recently, there's been a bit of a

473
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Speaker 1: love hate relationship between Google and the general public, and

474
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 1: I think about all the half hearted jokes you hear

475
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: about Google and them taking over the world, or the

476
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Speaker 1: way we assume and kind of accept that the company

477
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Speaker 1: is keeping tabs on what we do online and probably

478
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Speaker 1: knows everything there is to know about us. You know,

479
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Speaker 1: we we we did an episode I guess a couple

480
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Speaker 1: of months ago about how much the Internet knows about us,

481
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Speaker 1: and some of that was a little bit troubling, I

482
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Speaker 1: have to admit. And you know, the truth is that

483
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 1: folks are right to be somewhat wary of any company

484
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Speaker 1: that gathers data on you and then uses it to

485
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 1: turn a profit, right, which is something Google definitely does,

486
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 1: but you know, it's not alone. Movie passes model is

487
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 1: also based on this, and everyone's tracking our data now,

488
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Speaker 1: and I do think those people are at least dimly

489
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Speaker 1: aware that Google keeps track of where you are and

490
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 1: what you use its services for and and then it

491
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: uses that info to generate targeted ads. But what people

492
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Speaker 1: might not know is that this kind of advertising is

493
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: actually the most profitable part of the whole company. Yeah,

494
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's kind of an open secret, though,

495
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: don't you. I mean, if you really stop to think

496
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: about it, all of Google services don't cost anything. You've

497
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: got the search engine and the web brows or the

498
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: email service, all the various apps. But you know, the

499
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: old saying goes, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

500
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Speaker 1: And you know, in Google's case, the unspoken cost, I

501
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: guess is our privacy. Yeah, but which is really weird

502
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: to think about, because like then you can kind of

503
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: make the case that we're actually the product that Google

504
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 1: is selling to its real customers, which you know, from

505
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 1: that point of view, all that handy free services that

506
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: they offer are just really incentives to get us on

507
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Speaker 1: board with being sold. Yeah. Well, why don't we talk

508
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: a little bit about when Google got into the ad game,

509
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Speaker 1: and I mean, I would have to think that was

510
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Speaker 1: a huge turning point for the company. It was, Yeah,

511
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: because for the first three years that are incorporated, Google

512
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: really wasn't making much money, you know, despite having the

513
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: best search engine in town. But that all changed in

514
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: two thousand when Google launched AdWords. So this was the

515
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: company's first venture beyond its search engine. It was an

516
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: automated paper click ad auction platform, and with Google's ability

517
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: to tailor the ads sold to specific users based on

518
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: their search preferences, the company was able to corner the

519
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: market and digital advertising for what's coming up on I

520
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: guess two decades now plus you know, all that income

521
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: in cash allowed Google to invest in new services like Gmail, Blogger,

522
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 1: Google Maps, YouTube, and in turn, each of these services

523
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: provided its own new stream of ad driven revenue. Well,

524
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: it's obviously really smart. And you said the AdWords platform

525
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: that works with all these services. I mean, that's where

526
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: Google's profits really come from. So how much are we

527
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: talking about? Exactly? So in two thousand seventeen, AdWords accounted

528
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Speaker 1: for ninety five point four billion dollars of Google's total

529
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Speaker 1: revenue that year, of their total revenue, which was what

530
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: about a d billion? Good lord, I mean that's the

531
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: difference of around fifteen billion dollars between those two. And

532
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: we say a lot of things are insane on the show,

533
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: but drawing basically a hundred billion dollars from advertising a loan, Yeah,

534
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: that's insane. That counts more insane than cats, right, yeah,

535
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: I guess, I mean I don't know. Well, so you

536
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: know what else is crazy? Is that? Uh? That Eric

537
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: Schmigay who quitted earlier, the CEO who thought don't be

538
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: Evil was a stupid idea. He was a big supporter

539
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: of Google going all in on ad driven revenue and

540
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: pretty much all of Google's services, the ones we mentioned

541
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: are are came about on his watch. So he stepped

542
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 1: down from his exact role last December and favor of

543
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: a more advisory role with the company. But after steering

544
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: the ship for the last seventeen years, his fingerprints and

545
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: business eat those are all over Google. Well, there's definitely

546
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about on the privacy front. But

547
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: one of the other things that that many people might

548
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: find a little bit troubling, and it's something that people

549
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: have been talking about in terms of, you know, what

550
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: the Internet knows about us for years now, is that

551
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: by providing instant, unfettered act says to information about literally everything,

552
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: the Internet is actually retraining our brains to act more

553
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: like high speed data processors and less like tools for

554
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: careful contemplation. And I mean, i'd say that's a valid

555
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: concern for sure, but maybe it's not fair to pin

556
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: something like that entirely on Google. Like everything in moderation, right,

557
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: And if we take advantage of these services to the

558
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: point that we impair our own thinking or decrease our

559
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: attention spans, that's kind of on us, you know, sure,

560
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: But to an extent, I mean, there's also reason to

561
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: think that companies like Google and Facebook are are maybe

562
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 1: exacerbating the problem on purpose. I actually came across this

563
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: old Atlantic article from two thousand eight, and it pointed

564
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: out just how much this brain reprogramming is really in

565
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: the best interest of Google and all these other data

566
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: farming companies. The author is Nicholas car and he writes, quote,

567
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: the faster we surf across the web, the more links

568
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: we click and pages we view, the more opportunities Google

569
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: and other companies gained to collect information about us and

570
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: to feed us advertisements. Most of the proprietor RUMs of

571
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: the commercial Internet have a financial steak in collecting the

572
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: crumbs of data we leave behind as we flip from

573
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: link to link. The more crumbs, the better. The last

574
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: thing these companies want is to encourage leisurely reading or

575
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: slow concentrated thought. It's in their economic interest to drive

576
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: us to distraction, That's what he said. But so Silicon

577
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: Valley companies are going to say things like, you know,

578
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: do no evil, or have these grand mission statements about

579
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: bettering the world. It does only seem fair to hold

580
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: the company's feet to the fire a little bit when

581
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: it fails to live up to these kinds of statements.

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00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: And you know, I'd say that encouraging that kind of

583
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: thoughtless thinking if it makes any sense, you know, for

584
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: the sake of profit, kind of qualifies as one of

585
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: those cases. Well, I mean that that is very smart.

586
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: And on that note, I want to mention this is

587
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: a way to avoid bias. All of the research for

588
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: today's program was conducted exclusively through bing. There's no ways true.

589
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: It definitely wasn't true. That's not true. But you know

590
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: what true every single fact in this fact. So let's

591
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: get started, all right. We'll to put a bit of

592
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: perspective around just how much traffic is driven by Google.

593
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: Consider the fact that back in August of two thout,

594
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: Google had a power outage for all of about five minutes.

595
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: But during that time, everything from its search engine, to

596
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: YouTube to Google Drive, we're all down. And during that

597
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: five minute period, web traffic around the world plummeted. Bye.

598
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: So earlier we talked about the whole constructed languages crossroad

599
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: puzzle that we made. So do you know that you

600
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: can actually select Swedish chef as a preferred language in Google?

601
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: Did not? It's called work, work, work, and you can

602
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: also choose cling on take Latin Pirate and Elmer Fud,

603
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: among others. I'm really hoping our college friend John is

604
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: not listening today's episode since he always liked to talk

605
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: in a work work work, all right, Well, when we visited,

606
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: I know, we were blown away by all the perks

607
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: and the free food and everything else at Google, But

608
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: you know, reading about some of the employee benefits is

609
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: pretty interesting too. Apparently they have these unbelievable death benefits.

610
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: I know that's kind of a funny phrase to say,

611
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: but if an employee dies, their partner actually gets half

612
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: of the deceased employee salary for a decade, and the

613
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: kids of that employee get a thousand dollars a month

614
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: until they're nineteen, or actually until twenty three if they're

615
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: in school full time. And that's really stunning. So have

616
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: you heard about this flying taxi startup that Larry Pages

617
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: behind the company is called Kittie Hawk, and they recently

618
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: had to reveal for this thing. It's an autonomous air

619
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: taxi named Cora. Two people can actually ride in it.

620
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: It takes off with these rotors that are on the wings,

621
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, like a helicopter, but then it just flies

622
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: like a plane. So it doesn't really need a runway.

623
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: They've been doing some secret test flights in New Zealand,

624
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: where we like to do all our testing for our

625
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: secret project. I don't want people to know that, and

626
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: in fact that they've been working with the government there

627
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: in New Zealand to get a whole fleet to these

628
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: ready to release. So how far and and and how

629
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: fast can these things go? They can apparently travel for

630
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: a little over sixty miles at about a hundred ten

631
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: miles per hour. They travel at about three thousand feet elevation,

632
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: and I'll definitely be interested to see what happens with these.

633
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: I might give it a little bit of time before

634
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: I happened. I think I'm gonna give it more than

635
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of time. But it is really interesting alright. Well,

636
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: on a lighter note, I always look forward to seeing

637
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: what Google is up to on April Fool's Day. Their

638
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: pranks are always pretty funny, you know, from the Google

639
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: UK and Google Australia sites. Rick rolling every featured video

640
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and that's a real commitments giving

641
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: us some serious ad revenue there to the Auto Awesome

642
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: for Resumes project, where you could take a boring resume,

643
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: and it would add emojis and animation, you know, to

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Speaker 1: YouTube were negotiated at a Denny's over a delicious safotazer

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