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Speaker 3: Week one of the twenty twenty four NFL season has

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Speaker 3: arrived and we are live from the Cowboys Club at

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Speaker 3: the Star in Frisco. Welcome to Cowboys Cross Talk. I'm

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Speaker 3: Bobby Belt from one O five through the Fan. Tonight

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Speaker 3: I've got my one O five through the Fan teammate

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Speaker 3: Will Chambers joining me. We're also joined as always by

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Speaker 3: three time Super Bowl champion and six time Pro Bowler

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Speaker 3: Nate Newton and our Cowboys legend. This evening is a

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Speaker 3: Dallas native and alum of Bergner High School and Richardson

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Speaker 3: a Grambling State Tiger, four time Pro bowler, three time

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Speaker 3: NFL interceptions leader, and a Super Bowl champion.

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Speaker 4: And should be Hall of Famer, should be Ring of.

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Speaker 2: Honor, Hall of Famer, all of that.

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Speaker 3: Everson Wall, Everson, thank you, thank you, thank.

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Speaker 2: You absolutely, thank you so much for joining us tonight.

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Speaker 3: You know this is uh dude, do you guys are

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Speaker 3: all getting the normal excitement of the NFL season? Like

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Speaker 3: now that it's it's just right upon every year I

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Speaker 3: get that way where it's just you start feeling the

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Speaker 3: nervous energy just like all right, football's.

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Speaker 5: Fight, especially like the one night, the like the one

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Speaker 5: sleep left, like you're just one day away.

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Speaker 6: I don't feel that for this season. Really, not for

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Speaker 6: this season.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 8: Uh, this season kind of snuck up on me a

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Speaker 8: little bit. I know a little bit about the team,

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Speaker 8: but I think after.

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Speaker 6: Last year, I kind of have a little hangover.

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Speaker 8: I really do the playoffs that still got me. You know,

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Speaker 8: they knows I'm a super cowboy fan. I bleed them

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Speaker 8: silver and blue. That's just how it goes. But I

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Speaker 8: am more curious about this team than anything else because

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Speaker 8: what I want from this team is something they haven't

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Speaker 8: given me yet, and as we talk about out throughout

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Speaker 8: the hour, I want to figure out if we have

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Speaker 8: that team that I want, the one that can that

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Speaker 8: can travel well, the one that can run the ball,

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Speaker 8: and the one that doesn't depend on its offense to

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Speaker 8: win every game. That's the kind of that's why I mean,

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Speaker 8: I want to see if they can do that.

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Speaker 9: This year like a Star Trek kind of year, you

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Speaker 9: know of boys' kirk going off right, Yeah, it's certain

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Speaker 9: that it has you excited.

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Speaker 10: That's what got us excited because the majority of us

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Speaker 10: we think we got a handle on this team, but

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Speaker 9: Know as so many variables to this year.

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Speaker 10: Like last year we knew who we were going into

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Speaker 10: we were excited, but this year, we don't know this

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Speaker 5: You know what's I looked at today and it kind

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Speaker 5: of feeds off ever since what you said, because I

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Speaker 5: saw a thing in the Athletic that it had surveyed

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Speaker 5: twelve thousand NFL fans, So we're talking like three hundred

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Speaker 5: it went down, which we know wouldn't be for the

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Speaker 5: and it was a meter on optimism and pessimism. The

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Speaker 5: to do it like it wasn't you know, It's like here,

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Speaker 5: do you want to like, how optimistic are you?

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Speaker 4: How pessimistic?

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Speaker 5: Eighty percent pessimism? Only two teams worse on that. And

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Speaker 5: I think off of last year, and it's interesting because

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Speaker 5: we're coming off of three twelve win seasons, right, too

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Speaker 5: many times a team that has won twelve games in

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Speaker 8: I think Knight's team was the last team to do

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Speaker 8: it for the Cowboys. Yes, yes, and they end up

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know it's I think I had this

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Speaker 3: And I had said you know, I think it just

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Speaker 2: And why is it ending the scene to me?

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Speaker 6: To me, the difference was last year because of we.

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Speaker 8: Solved a lot of contract situations that we needed to

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Speaker 8: I remember the press conference from the coach and he goes,

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Speaker 8: And I'm thinking to myself, Yes, that means that this

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Speaker 8: Them last year, and even though I was blinded by

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Speaker 8: used to talk about them all the time. I went

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Speaker 8: no way we should have thought we could win that

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Speaker 8: more points. And you what you say is you can't

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Speaker 8: have a defense depending on your offense. You just can't

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Speaker 8: do it. I say it on the podcast all the time.

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Speaker 8: I want a team that can depend on our defense

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Speaker 3: You know, ever since you are your career path, your

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Speaker 3: end of the year and night you said that you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I remember that stuck it up to me.

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Speaker 3: We went to we went to Super Bowl radio row,

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Speaker 3: What do you think? And he goes, yeah, there's no

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Speaker 3: of that Green Bay loss? Do you think they've sufficiently

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Speaker 10: That that that don't come from They don't practice that way.

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Speaker 9: You have to kind of practice that way.

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Speaker 4: You're talking mentality.

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Speaker 10: But yeah, let me say this right here. Did That's

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Speaker 10: why I impressed upon people. I like to intersquads, scrimmages.

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Speaker 10: The Rams came there, and believe me, they practiced that way.

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Speaker 10: Not only the first time when the Rams showed up,

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Speaker 9: The second time they came there, they practice that way.

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Speaker 10: I'm looking on one field and they knocking down our receivers.

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Speaker 10: We pat and they receive us because coach, you know,

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Speaker 10: saying hey, it's gonna be no fighting.

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Speaker 9: Well they evidently they ain't telling rams. You know, it

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Speaker 10: No fighting because they was ready for that. And they

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Speaker 10: we matched it. I heard, I heard that they did

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that we matched it. But you don't come into

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Speaker 4: That's stay two. That's stay two, man.

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Speaker 9: You don't come into my house. Regardless of where you at.

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Speaker 9: That is our field.

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Speaker 4: They wanted the Packers game, right.

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Speaker 10: So we we have a we have a we haven't uh.

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Speaker 10: I call it the boom box theory. That's what the

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Speaker 10: forty nine ers did. A couple of years. They came

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 9: The Ravens have always been that way.

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Speaker 10: They have never changed. They practiced the same way everybody else.

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Speaker 10: Is just a tempo of how you practice. And I

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Speaker 10: Everything I did kicking back here.

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Speaker 9: Oh, man.

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Speaker 10: The cowboy is a practicing faft. The cowboy is a

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Speaker 10: practicing fast d da da da. But then I saw

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Speaker 3: Who is I would guess for your team's ever sin

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Speaker 3: In the eighties, the forty nine ers kind of represented

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Speaker 3: the that's our our mountain. We got to scale, Nate.

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Speaker 3: I think early on for the team, I think it

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Speaker 9: It was Giants.

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Speaker 3: It was a Giants, So the Giants the way that

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Speaker 3: you have to scale that. Yes, And I know we've

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Speaker 3: had this talk before about San Francisco. Currently, there's been

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Speaker 3: a lot of talk about the Green Bay loss, like repeatedly,

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Speaker 3: And this is something I was kicking around with some

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Speaker 3: should be a motivating factor, like a team like that,

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Speaker 3: becoming a distraction from just doing what you need to do,

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Speaker 3: like almost do you find somebody like the Giants or else?

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Speaker 9: Do you need that motivating? Is so crafty doing the record?

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Speaker 10: He is so crafty that he get his guys to go.

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Speaker 9: He get his guys to go.

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Speaker 10: The way you overcome this, fellas, and it's simple when

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Speaker 10: you play a team of equal a better talent.

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Speaker 9: You have to win. I don't care if they take

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Speaker 9: it serious or not. You have to win.

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Speaker 10: When we play the Ravens, when we play Cleveland, when

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Speaker 10: whoever we play that we know that can ball. We

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Speaker 9: Bill, that's a Bill part here.

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Speaker 8: We're at the point now to where everyone's fed up.

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Speaker 8: Maybe Jordan's but you know who's gonna listen to it, right, listen,

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Speaker 8: But but you if you, if it's from the top,

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Speaker 4: Isn't that where Micah is supposed to be.

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Speaker 8: Well, Michael's there, Michael's that guy. But it's not enough Michaels.

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Speaker 8: You gotta have someone that can spread that message and

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Speaker 3: Let's uh, let's when we come back on the other

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Speaker 5: I think that in what Nate was talking about at

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Speaker 4: We've seen this movie before. To me, Ceedee Lamb is pissed,

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, that's what he's pissed about. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: CD hadn't told me anything, and I don't know that

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Speaker 8: To me, if and I remember that moment, to me,

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Speaker 4: Sure, that's what I thought.

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Speaker 6: That's what I thought. Yeah, I knew what he was

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Speaker 8: Of course I knew he's mad, Like, hey man, let's

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Speaker 8: not start this again. We've been through San Francisco, been

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Speaker 8: through all that, losing big games. Probably was upsetting at

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Speaker 8: We weren't gonna stop anybody with that defense. But to me,

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna be waiting on him on the bench and we're.

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Speaker 8: Gonna talk, and I'm gonna tell CD if it's my

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Speaker 8: this today, all right. I'm with you, you my due,

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Speaker 8: but would not have in this today. That's not what

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Speaker 8: That's that's his thing. That's what wide receivers do. If

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Speaker 8: I get it, we win, such as the young ones

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Speaker 8: they always think and with Ceedee Lamb, he's a guy

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Speaker 8: you don't leave him isolated at this moment.

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Speaker 4: There's a trivia question for everybody out there.

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Speaker 2: Here's they've got.

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Speaker 3: They played a game Sunday, November twenty fourth, nineteen sixty three,

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Speaker 3: which players Gil Brandt, I know, had done a lot

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Speaker 3: because they like held the Cowboys responsible, the city responsible.

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Speaker 4: At people don't understand that. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen sixty seven, right before the Ice Bowl, the Cowboys

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Speaker 3: ninety four and maybe could have set up a four

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Speaker 3: straight run. You guys lose to the of Browns in December.

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Speaker 3: A tough play at the end where j Novicik slips

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Speaker 3: I know I've heard players say that they feel like

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Speaker 2: Like if you've got the home field that you you

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Speaker 9: You know, I love that, you know you lost, bro,

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Speaker 9: Yeah the.

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Speaker 10: Defense that Yeah, you got beat the Browns beat us

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Speaker 8: It was.

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Speaker 3: It was fortunate too, because there was earlier, about three

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Speaker 8: But forgive me, but didn't didn't they play you guys

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's when they stopped on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that.

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Speaker 5: That was that game in nine and four and then

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Speaker 5: we're trying to rehash this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's a very like I made.

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Speaker 10: Not only we lose the game, but I'm getting pointed like.

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Speaker 3: All the situations, it was a it was either way.

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Speaker 3: It's a very it's a very historic rivalry. There's a lot,

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Speaker 3: there's lots exactly get Nick Saban was on the sideline

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Speaker 3: that day as well as Bill Belichick. Ever, so when

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Speaker 3: you left here from Dallas, you went to New York

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Speaker 3: played for Bill Belichick there with the Giants. He goes

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Speaker 3: Nick Saban as the defensive coordinator. And I know we

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Speaker 3: were talking about this dur of the break. There was

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Speaker 3: about a decade ago, Drake Kirkpatrick was coming out of

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Speaker 3: he said somebody asked him about his backpedal and he said,

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Speaker 2: And they were like, what, How's that possible? How do

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Speaker 3: When Saban's shuffle technique in coverage had had kind of

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Speaker 3: I'd love for you to speak on it and clarify

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Speaker 3: that it was he came up with that technique and

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Speaker 2: True or false?

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Speaker 9: True?

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Speaker 6: Okay, because we played Cover two most of the time.

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Speaker 8: Belichick loves that Cover two. I've played it in New York.

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Speaker 8: It helped extend my career. Came to Cleveland, and Belichick

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Speaker 8: is just like Nick Saban. They he was a product

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Speaker 8: of him. Now, the words that he said afterwards were

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Speaker 3: Did make it twelve years before that I heard.

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Speaker 8: I saw that, and that's the only snippet that I saw.

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Speaker 8: I had no idea that it was about a particular player.

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Speaker 8: That's the only snippet I saw. Everson Walls couldn't backpedal.

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Speaker 8: I believe he said to save his life. I think

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Speaker 8: that only because what Nick saw was a guy that

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Speaker 8: I was a victim.

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Speaker 6: Not a victim.

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Speaker 8: I was a product of the system that I had

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Speaker 8: So the technique that he's talking about, yes, that technique

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Speaker 8: was only out of necessity because of the particular defense

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Speaker 8: we played when I was here in Dallas, we couldn't

443
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Speaker 8: do that. I had to backpedal, and people just don't

444
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Speaker 8: get it. I tried to explain to Hi about the

445
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 8: flex defense and how it works and how you gotta

446
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Speaker 8: read the flow of the back no wonder, They just

447
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Speaker 8: go blank whenever I try to talk about it.

448
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Speaker 6: We have to read the backfield.

449
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Speaker 8: We have to read the flow of the backfield in

450
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Speaker 8: the flex defense. Cornerbacks don't do that on any other

451
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Speaker 8: team but the Cowboys. You're looking in the backfield while

452
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Speaker 8: you're supposed to be playing defensive back. That's not how

453
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Speaker 8: you play it. So what we had to do key

454
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Speaker 8: the backs, which adjusted us from playing zone to man.

455
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Speaker 8: So I had to backpedal from a zone position off

456
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Speaker 8: the man to an inside position during the flow of

457
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Speaker 8: the game, during the flow of the play, so you

458
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Speaker 8: have to backpedal like that. I couldn't survive without my

459
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Speaker 8: back pedal. With the lack of speed that I had.

460
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Speaker 8: My back pedal kept me in position so that the

461
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Speaker 8: wide receivers wouldn't make me turn so that I could

462
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Speaker 8: compromise myself. My back pedal kept the leverage that I

463
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Speaker 8: always as a player, especially here in Dallas, and that's

464
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Speaker 8: how I was able to shut guys down from coming

465
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Speaker 8: inside and deep across the field.

466
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Speaker 4: What was the difference in the shuffle then, what would the.

467
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Speaker 9: News the shuffle?

468
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Speaker 6: The shuffle is closer to the You're closer to the wide.

469
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Speaker 8: Receiver because you're playing cover two, so you're lined up

470
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Speaker 8: within five yards off the receiver. So in order for

471
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Speaker 8: you to play cover two and read the backfield, there

472
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Speaker 8: has to be a shuffle to get you in position.

473
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Speaker 6: You're not gonna shuffle.

474
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Speaker 8: From five yards off of a receiver and shuffle inside

475
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Speaker 8: and think you're not gonna get passed up. They're gonna

476
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Speaker 8: close that gap on you so fast. So you can't

477
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Speaker 8: shuffle and play man to man. You have to shuffle

478
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Speaker 8: and play zone. You can't shuffle and play man to

479
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Speaker 8: man unless you have somebody there with the top.

480
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Speaker 3: You know, Ever since you we mentioned they're working with

481
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Speaker 3: Nick Saban, working with Bill Belichick, I don't know that

482
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Speaker 3: we would be able to have somebody on the show

483
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Speaker 3: who's were or played for more legendary lineup of coaches

484
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Speaker 3: in their career than than Everson Walls all the way

485
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Speaker 3: back to Eddie Robinson, and then you've got Tom Landry

486
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Speaker 3: and Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick, Nick Saban. Was there anything

487
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Speaker 3: that you found, You know, whenever people are trying to

488
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Speaker 3: identify what makes a coach great, any think, was there

489
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Speaker 3: anything you found among those coaches that you played for,

490
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Speaker 3: all those greats where he said, this is a unifying

491
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Speaker 3: factor about all.

492
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Speaker 6: That they are a slave to their system.

493
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Speaker 8: They know their system back and forth, and their philosophy

494
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Speaker 8: to you is you listen to what I say and

495
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Speaker 8: play within the system and it will work.

496
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Speaker 6: That's what you get from every coach. The flex defense.

497
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Speaker 8: Most guys hated the flex defense, but we did a

498
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Speaker 8: damn good job with it.

499
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Speaker 6: We didn't win.

500
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Speaker 8: Any Super Bowls in nineteen eighty, but in nineteen seventies

501
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Speaker 8: before it was caught up with that flex defense when

502
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Speaker 8: everyone did their job. Jim Brown couldn't run this for

503
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Speaker 8: as many yards running backs all of a sudden, that's

504
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Speaker 8: shut down the secondary.

505
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Speaker 6: Yes, gonna take.

506
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Speaker 8: Your hits, but if you just hang in there, then

507
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Speaker 8: you're gonna make the plays in the secondary as well.

508
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Speaker 8: Ask Meil Renchfrow, Ask Herb Adderley, ask Everson Wall, ask

509
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 8: Michael Downs, ask Dennis Derman. Okay, we if you play

510
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Speaker 8: within the system, just listen to me and play within

511
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Speaker 8: my system. It will work. But we all have to

512
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Speaker 8: be on the same page. The same with Bill Parcells

513
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Speaker 8: and the same with Belichick.

514
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Speaker 9: They were discipline they didn't know.

515
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Speaker 10: If you didn't If you wasn't disciplined, you didn't play.

516
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Speaker 10: I mean you when I first got here, Randy, Randy

517
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Speaker 10: White had the green light more than any player I knew,

518
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Speaker 10: But even he was subject to the round from Land.

519
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Speaker 9: That's right.

520
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Speaker 10: I mean I saw him knock a running back almost

521
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Speaker 10: silly in the backfield for a five year loss.

522
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Speaker 9: Randy, he got the other wrong way. You did not

523
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Speaker 9: step such and such. I'm like.

524
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Speaker 10: This, he said, Randy, inside step step inside, step read

525
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Speaker 10: out with the guard inside from the inside. You let

526
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Speaker 10: them hook you, Randy, Dude, he took his step.

527
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Speaker 9: Rathery like. Okay, coach.

528
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Speaker 8: Whether the flex is the flex is made for a

529
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Speaker 8: particular player to make the play. If that is the

530
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Speaker 8: middle linebacker, that's what the flex is for. It's for

531
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Speaker 8: Bob Bruneck, it's for Eugene Lockhart. That's what the flex

532
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Speaker 8: is for. If you make the play, they're going to

533
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Speaker 8: see that. And if you make the place of defensive linemup,

534
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Speaker 8: you're gonna be out of position the next time.

535
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Speaker 10: Five plays later, Randy gets the sack. Randy, if you

536
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Speaker 10: would have stayed, I said to myself, somebody here ain't right.

537
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Speaker 9: But this is a legendary.

538
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Speaker 6: Coach, and Randy did listen every once in a while.

539
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Speaker 5: But it's a different, very different NFL now, Uh, from

540
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Speaker 5: how it's coached from what you guys just describe.

541
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Speaker 4: We all can see.

542
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 5: How different the the players are and the way the

543
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 5: game has evolved, but the coaching aspect of it as well.

544
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Speaker 4: And I think that's what we saw Bill Belichick talk to.

545
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Speaker 10: Look at all the four the teams that's winning every year.

546
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Speaker 10: Ye're discipline, bro. You look at the forty nine ers,

547
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Speaker 10: anybody them four down linemen are always in their gap.

548
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Speaker 4: No, I'm not talking about discipline.

549
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 5: I'm talking about beholden to a system without changing.

550
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Speaker 10: No, look at the forty nine ers, Look at Detroit,

551
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 10: look at the Ravens. Who else? Uh, it's one other team.

552
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 10: Look at the Stellers, they've been running three four? How

553
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Speaker 10: long they they Mike tell them to tell you, son,

554
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Speaker 10: this is how we.

555
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Speaker 9: Do it here.

556
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Speaker 6: Mm hmm.

557
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Speaker 10: See it's still the same. Why do you think we

558
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 10: brought in Zim? Why do you think we could have.

559
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Speaker 12: Got some young hot shot sim because I heard Zim

560
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 12: talking earlier this year or in training camp about how

561
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Speaker 12: even he is adapting to the players that he has

562
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Speaker 12: on his team.

563
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Speaker 4: Because he was just about Micah.

564
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Speaker 5: But still no, no discipline is definitely yeah, no mistake

565
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Speaker 5: about it.

566
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Speaker 4: But it's about systems.

567
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Speaker 5: And really what I was thinking about as you guys

568
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 5: were talking was Belichick, because Bill Belichick went from being

569
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Speaker 5: the greatest coach in the history of professional football, at

570
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Speaker 5: least with Super Bowls, to getting one interview once he

571
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 5: left New England. And I wondered about that about being

572
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Speaker 5: like you were saying, a slave to their system, and

573
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Speaker 5: that was really.

574
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Speaker 8: Well, that's what I was going to system was winning

575
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Speaker 8: the championship.

576
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Speaker 4: Defense that's on him.

577
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Speaker 6: That defense, well it was a heck of a defense if.

578
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Speaker 10: You look at them and defense, but blame Tom Brady. Yeah,

579
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 10: like Kansas City when this kid lead Kansas City everybody

580
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 10: gonna than and Ree can't coach.

581
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Speaker 9: Enerye, you can coach, but that what going.

582
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Speaker 3: You know when we we talk about uh, you know, ever,

583
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Speaker 3: so the changes that may go into a Mike Zimmer

584
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Speaker 3: defense compared to a dan Quinn one.

585
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Speaker 2: I heard.

586
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Speaker 3: I heard Mike give it an interview this offseason to

587
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: Edward or where he had, you know, asked me, he said,

588
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 3: what what do you expect will be different or how

589
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: might things be a little bit different? He said, Look,

590
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Speaker 3: I think that you know, if you're used to a

591
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: lot of the turnovers that have been there right now,

592
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Speaker 3: I think you're probably gonna see less of that, Like

593
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: we're gonna be more about negative plays and trying to

594
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 3: get to the quarterback and doing some of that stuff.

595
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 3: Less about you know, trying to take the ball away,

596
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: flip field position to do things like that. You know,

597
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: you look at some of the other changes there. He

598
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 3: had said, uh, you know, in a non critical way

599
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 3: about dan Quinn. He said, when I watched the tape

600
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Speaker 3: back of the Cowboys last year, he said, I think

601
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: too often there was contentment to say, well, they're just

602
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: taking mic O away today. If they're going to take

603
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: mic away, let's try and take advantage of some of

604
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: the easier matchups that we have now. And he said,

605
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Speaker 3: I think there's got to be a greater emphasis on

606
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Speaker 3: us adjusting and trying to free Micah up throughout the

607
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: game if they're doing something to that. And Mike and

608
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Speaker 3: today talked about how he's going to be all over

609
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Speaker 3: the formation. He said, there are personnel packages in the

610
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Speaker 3: game playing this week that they may or may not

611
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Speaker 3: get to where he said, he essentially is in the nickel,

612
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Speaker 3: he's in the you know, he's playing safety, he's playing linebacker.

613
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Speaker 3: He said, he's playing a two eye, he's playing you know,

614
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Speaker 3: four eye. He's going to be playing all over the

615
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: place doing all these different things. Is there given how

616
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Speaker 3: much that Zimmer clearly wants to do in terms of

617
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Speaker 3: that's kind of reactionary, a little bit schematically different on

618
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Speaker 3: the fly things like that, what are the risks or

619
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Speaker 3: the concerns about, you know, guys who are are not

620
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Speaker 3: necessarily scheme disciplined and the guys who are you know,

621
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Speaker 3: you potentially gonna have bigger busts by not having the

622
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Speaker 3: guys who or you know, as good of students potentially

623
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Speaker 3: in the classroom during the week.

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Speaker 8: Well, that's where you have guys like the Marcus Lawrence

625
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,239
Speaker 8: and Michael Parsons have to come through. I look at

626
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Speaker 8: Michael Parsons as a guy that I haven't seen formation

627
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Speaker 8: recognition from him yet. I haven't seen him be disciplined

628
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 8: enough to really make those plays the way Miles Garrett

629
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Speaker 8: has made it for the Browns. Similar numbers, of course,

630
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Speaker 8: you know, but there are some games where Michael Parsons

631
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Speaker 8: just outmatched the other person. There are times in the

632
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Speaker 8: playoffs and big games where we need Michael to be

633
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Speaker 8: a little bit more schematic.

634
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Speaker 6: We need him to be a little bit more disciplined.

635
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Speaker 8: Don't go down for the RPO when you got no

636
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 8: one set in the edge, things of that nature. We

637
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 8: need him to stop those plays. I don't want him

638
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Speaker 8: to be a superstar. I want him to be that

639
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 8: solid player that we have on that end. That's like

640
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 8: and Nate, you know, I'm talking about like a call Banks.

641
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Speaker 8: He wants to be. He wants to be LT. Sometimes

642
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 8: we need Call Banks a guy. They're smart. He's right there.

643
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 8: He knows exactly what's going on. He anticipates what the

644
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 8: play is by formation. As you just said, that's the

645
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 8: kind of Michael pausons I want there are times when

646
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 8: you have to you don't pin your ears back.

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Speaker 6: There are times when you have to be a little

648
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Speaker 6: bit more discipline.

649
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Speaker 8: And a guy like Michael Pawson's with the impact that

650
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 8: he can make, if he went to play a little

651
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 8: bit more discipline, as DeMarcus Lawns does, then you're looking

652
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 8: at a really solid defense on both sides.

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Speaker 3: I remember Micah as a rookie, there was that I

654
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 3: refer back to this a lot, but Mica as a

655
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: rookie was on hard knocks and they have him miked

656
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 3: up for the Hall of Fame game, and he's really eager.

657
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: He wants to get out there. He missed a whole

658
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 3: year of football due to COVID and he got a

659
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 3: little bit of the taste of it and he wanted

660
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Speaker 3: to go back out there. And he's talking to Layton

661
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Speaker 3: Vanders from the side and he goes, I just want

662
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Speaker 3: to go out there and make a play, and Layton goes, yeah,

663
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 3: but you got to know what which is your play

664
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Speaker 3: to make? And a lot of people at the time,

665
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 3: I think, who don't have an understanding that felt like, oh, look,

666
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: Layton doesn't have the same motor intensity that Mike is like, No,

667
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 3: Layton's trying to communicate to you that everybody has responsibilities

668
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: on a given play, and if you aren't doing your job,

669
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 3: it's all gonna fall apart, like you were talking about

670
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 3: where you know, if guys are not doing their jobs

671
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 3: within the scheme, it can all fall apart. So I

672
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 3: guess Nate. Ever since both of y'all talked about on

673
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: both sides of the ball, the importance of doing what

674
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 3: your job is and why freelance is so dangerous in a.

675
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 10: System, he said, b car Banks be Lawrence Taylor because

676
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 10: I played against Laurence in LINTL. Marsh's Spots in Spots,

677
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 10: but we had a block where the tackle come down

678
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 10: on the guy over me and I loop around and

679
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 10: either depending on what Lawren's doing, I can hook him,

680
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 10: I can kick him out and get it back a

681
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 10: two way go because we're blocking down washing trying to

682
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 10: wash it in LINTL Marshall, which was almost impossible. So

683
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 10: when I come out to Lawrence, Lawrence like, uh, you

684
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 10: ain't get to the outside of me. Now that ain't happened,

685
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 10: I'm setting his edge because I'm gonna give Harry Carson's

686
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 10: and Banks and all these got a chance to run

687
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 10: to run the slam in the inmage.

688
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 6: Well you know this.

689
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 8: You know who got him disci one like that? Bill Belichick. Yeah,

690
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 8: Bill Belichick, I'm telling you. And then your boy would

691
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 8: get up go to the other side of the same thing.

692
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 8: He knew every position he played, He understood what was

693
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 8: happening due to the percentages of that backfield.

694
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 9: You know, strength over here, slid over here.

695
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 10: They knew, and they would be calling it out just

696
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 10: talking in the game. And me and ever Sinner is

697
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 10: on the same page because we old school.

698
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 9: I've never said nothing.

699
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 10: Bad about Michael Parsons, but I've always said this, if

700
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 10: this kid ever get disciplined and really care about the

701
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 10: game of football and become a student, who would stop him?

702
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 3: Then he He had a point today with his media

703
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: availability where he said that Mike Zimmer's kind of said

704
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: something similar to him recently, that Mike Zimmer told him, listen,

705
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: if you will just focus down on these little things,

706
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: these little technique things, there, there's nobody who can stop you.

707
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 3: I mean, you're talking about you know, twenty plus sacks

708
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 3: every year. If he's that, it's honestly it's.

709
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 8: And once again tackles for losses, bro, those are good too, Yeah, neat.

710
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 6: Man negative plays?

711
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 10: When when when these reporters are guys that announcers whoever

712
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 10: do the voting? Mm hm they they they like, Okay,

713
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 10: Michael got fourteen sacks, but does he have.

714
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 9: Seventeen hits for losses?

715
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 10: Does he have four for Do you have a Funmber recovery?

716
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 9: How many times? You know? And Mike is good, it

717
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 9: is hitting the quarterback?

718
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 10: Have been getting an interception when you go to add

719
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 10: up hands down?

720
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 9: This kid? Miles Garrett does it?

721
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 6: Now?

722
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 10: What I what I like to do? What what Michael did?

723
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 10: He lost weight? He lost weight.

724
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 2: Today? Yeah, he looked at today. He looks thin.

725
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 6: And that's all He's got to take on a few.

726
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 6: We've got to take on.

727
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Speaker 9: Some about it.

728
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 10: Not Zim is gonna hide him enough that he don't

729
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 10: have to worry about that. Later in the season he

730
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 10: will be more effected, you can tell. Around byt week

731
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Speaker 10: twelve thirteen, things get shady for him.

732
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Speaker 9: You know you see him over the Come on, man,

733
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 9: they were holding him too much because.

734
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Speaker 5: Well, and look, this is not as deep per position

735
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 5: as it's been the last few years, so it's gonna be.

736
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Speaker 4: Even more important.

737
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Speaker 9: Uh.

738
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Speaker 5: You know, maybe with him being thinner that it will

739
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 5: help him, you know, Cardio, I don't know that. It's

740
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 5: about understanding like what you guys, what you were saying

741
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 5: ever since, that you need him to be able to

742
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 5: do a number of different things outside of just being

743
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 5: the super beast. Run after, you know, rush the passer guy.

744
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 5: Because it's not the same defense personnel wise that we've seen.

745
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 8: That's the better thing about it. He has a little

746
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 8: bit more girth behind him. Now you've got linebackers.

747
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 9: Now.

748
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 8: When he was turning things in last year, you had

749
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 8: Bell waiting on a guy. You had Jordan Lewis waiting

750
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 8: on alignment to come up in there and blow him

751
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 8: out of the hole.

752
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 10: You understand, Coach Quinn, Coach Quinn, bell Is Floyd and him.

753
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 10: Coach Quinn came to me and said, nay, we got

754
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 10: us a linebacker.

755
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 9: I said, who, Coach who? He said, you didn't see.

756
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 10: Him in the side. I saw Bell playing dime. No,

757
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 10: that wasn't dying. That that's our linebacker.

758
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 9: I said. I said, Okay, Coach, I remember what I say.

759
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 9: I said, Boy, this ain't gonna last.

760
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 8: This ain't gonna work, and so you have pass out

761
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 8: there with guys the linebackers are smaller than he is. Yes, yes,

762
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 8: that was a linebacker smaller than he is. Then I

763
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 8: think he had a Kwame was back there as well.

764
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 8: That's that's that's that's lunch meet for guys like Nate Man.

765
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 8: They pulling around there.

766
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 6: That's why you have running backs running all through us.

767
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 6: At the end of the season.

768
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 8: We hopefully just personalel wise should be able to minimize that.

769
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 8: And when you have that kind of minimization, then now

770
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 8: you've got cha Parsons can feel a little bit more

771
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 8: comfortable about not having to make every play. Now, maybe

772
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 8: he won't dip in too much because he thinks they

773
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 8: run up the middle too many times on us. Maybe

774
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 8: he would have the ability to discipline himself, let his

775
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 8: boys make the play because they've been making it all nice.

776
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 4: And maybe y'll should not be as predictable.

777
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 8: Well, we were definitely predictable. With six defensive backs, you

778
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 8: could you could be.

779
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 5: Double teamed if you know where he's going to be

780
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 5: or what he's going to do.

781
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 10: We got we got Joseph Lindale, Lynn Vale and Jordan Philip.

782
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's.

783
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 6: That's good stuff. That's good stuff.

784
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 3: I'm curious from both the y'all's perspectives for a perspective,

785
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: one from a guy who would have played in the defense, Nate,

786
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 3: from your perspective of the guy who's who's watching it

787
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 3: on the other side. Dan Quinn and Mike Zimmer two

788
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 3: very different philosophies pre snap, So pre snap, dan Quinn

789
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: says static, I'm gonna show you a static look. You're

790
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 3: gonna you, You're gonna see what you're gonna see. And

791
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: we're about execution and that's gonna be our big focus here.

792
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: Mike Zimmer is a lot of dummy i ds and

793
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 3: fake calls and showing blitzes and then dropping out. There

794
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 3: was a clip that was going around this summer of

795
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 3: the way they they took Jolio out of a game

796
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: at one point, which is they have a a guy

797
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 3: right up on Julio and then at the snap of

798
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 3: the ball books it to center field and just has

799
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 3: to high til and they completely switch off. So doing

800
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: a lot of different disguising stuff. Obviously more ripe for

801
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 3: issues in terms of communication problems and busts in that sense.

802
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 3: But ever since first and then nate the benefit of

803
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: those two things. What are the benefits of playing a

804
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: static look like this is what we're doing. Everybody knows

805
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 3: what we're doing, and then some of the more complexities

806
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: of showing stuff pre snap That then is different once

807
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 3: the ball is snapped.

808
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 8: If you look at the Tom Landry system, the flex

809
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 8: defense itself, they would do a little bit of shifting.

810
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 8: They would try and confuse the offensive lineman up front.

811
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 8: Linebackers would make calls in the back. In our secondary,

812
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 8: we had to show the umbrella look, even though.

813
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 6: They always knew we were gonna back.

814
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 8: Out into the cover three that I just tried to

815
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 8: spoke off earlier.

816
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 6: So all that movement was good for us.

817
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 8: But by the time the end of the game, you know,

818
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 8: you can't be doing too much disguising. They've already figured

819
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 8: you out. Okay, so you can do all that all

820
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 8: you want. Eventually the play just they're gonna know what

821
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 8: you're in. There's only so many defensive calls you can make,

822
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 8: so eventually they're going to get that. So you still

823
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 8: have to be disciplined in making the play. Go back,

824
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 8: go fast forward to New York Giants. You know we're

825
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 8: in covered two and we ain't trying to hide nothing.

826
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 8: You know, LT's over there, call Banks over here, Pepper Johnson,

827
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 8: Lennard Marshall.

828
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 9: And that's more.

829
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 10: Zim is not gonna do a lot with his defensive line.

830
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 9: He'll do it with his linebackers and his corners. Yeah,

831
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 9: he's not gonna do a lot with his d line.

832
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 9: You know where they're gonna be.

833
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 10: Coach Quinn, and I say this for all I love

834
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 10: Coach Quinn.

835
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 9: We had a great relationship.

836
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 10: But if I have anything to say to Coach Quinn,

837
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 10: do not trust your players until they have proven repeatedly

838
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 10: that they're disciplined. He trusted from Michael Parson on down.

839
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 10: If you see something, go get it. That is the

840
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 10: That is the hard killer to busting your defense. Because

841
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 10: all that I had to walk back and say, hey, man,

842
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 10: I saw that one back coaching, you know they would

843
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 10: have trips to the other side. Man, oh I took

844
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 10: that thing. Yeah, but they reversed it back the other way.

845
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 10: They ran a trap back the other way. You got you.

846
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 10: You gave them a whole discipline. It's all defenses. Offenses

847
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 10: you can trip up a little bit, but defense wise,

848
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 10: when you trip out there, it's a seventy yard touchdowns,

849
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 10: somebody getting beat deep yep a change continue to move.

850
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 9: You can't know bruh discipline.

851
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I I kind of wonder if from Quinn's perspective,

852
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: like when you talk about you've got a defensive backplane

853
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 3: linebacker last year, or you've had communication issues in the past,

854
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: do you think it's possible. Quinn just looked at it

855
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 3: and said, Hey, given the communication issues that we're having

856
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 3: with these guys, we have to be static. We have

857
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: to give a certain look and like, because I can't

858
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: risk busts like that.

859
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 6: I've said it more than once. Personality. They were too

860
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 6: light in the butt. They were too light in the butt.

861
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 8: They gonna stop anybody like that, And you're just telling you, guys,

862
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 8: the difference is now you've got linebackers, true linebackers, and

863
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 8: to me, that makes all the difference in the world.

864
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 6: They were getting blocked all the way.

865
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 10: Down field, and our nose guard, besides Hanks, all we

866
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 10: had was Hanks. Olsa was our penetrator. Hanks is the

867
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 10: guy that was trying to hold in there. He would

868
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 10: get he would sometime get his two guys. But then

869
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 10: we went with the other guys. They never held it up.

870
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,479
Speaker 10: So Bell did not stand a chance. Every time he looked.

871
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 10: Can you imagine after the I walk up to you

872
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 10: and say, hey, Bobby, you're on my podcast.

873
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 9: Bobby would love you, baby, I'm glad you're here.

874
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 10: Okay, what was What did y'all see that made y'all think, Well,

875
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 10: we just looked at you and ran right at you.

876
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 4: Come example of that. Well, you gotta pick up Nate, like,

877
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 4: really get what them saying?

878
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 9: That's that that.

879
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 10: Was a lack of discipline. You did not give Bell

880
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 10: a chance because the offensive line, the quarterback was in

881
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 10: the huddle. And I'm gonna say thirty four buck, thirty

882
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 10: four buck, thirty four buck, thirty check with me, thirty

883
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 10: four buck, thirty four thirty five buck. That's thirty five

884
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 10: to you left, thirty four to you right, check with

885
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 10: me on the linebacker. On two walks in the line,

886
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 10: they go number, they go, they go, bayo Bell, it's

887
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 10: thirty four.

888
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 9: Hey ready ready.

889
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, thirty four.

890
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 10: And then you got and then you got to worry

891
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 10: about somebody shooting the gap.

892
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 9: That was it up people? Why to hey go Bell like, wow,

893
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 9: I'm stripped naked right up in the middle.

894
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 3: So we've got this, uh, we've got this game against

895
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 3: the Browns this week. And two of the areas are

896
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 3: that that are I think of of interest or concern

897
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 3: or or focus, are or two areas where you guys

898
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 3: probably are uniquely.

899
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: Equipped to give some advice.

900
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 3: So you've got on the offensive side of the ball, Cooper,

901
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 3: bb Tyler Goydon making their first starts, Dyton specifically going

902
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: across from Miles Garrett. I'm sure they'll try to chip

903
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 3: as much as they can. You obviously can't do that

904
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 3: one hundred percent of the time. And then on the

905
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 3: defensive side of the ball, Deron Bland goes down. You've

906
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 3: got Kayln Carson now big assignment rout of the gate.

907
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 3: These are three good receivers for the Browns. Jerry Judy,

908
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 3: Amari Cooper, Elijah Moore, that's the tight end. Any yeah,

909
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 3: and any anybody who they want to match up on

910
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 3: Carson their fifth round pick out of wake Forest this year,

911
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 3: they can probably find that matchup. So I'll start with

912
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: you ever saying, if you got a chance to sit

913
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 3: down with Kayln Carson this week, what would kind of

914
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 3: be your your words sim heading into this game of

915
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: just like preparing for that first big moment against a

916
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 3: really tough challenge.

917
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 8: Well technique wise, I would tell him the same thing

918
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 8: I tell the kids of that coach in these little

919
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 8: camps around the country. This is gonna be a not

920
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 8: the checkers, man, It's gonna be a chess match. I mean,

921
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 8: you're gonna be playing against a guy for sixty minutes

922
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 8: and he's gonna show you everything he's got, and he's

923
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 8: gonna set you up as well. You're talking about the

924
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 8: Mari Cooper, one of the better wide receivers in the game.

925
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: In this game, all three route runners, but especially.

926
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 8: Cooper, they did so much with so and you got

927
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 8: You've got two.

928
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 6: He played with two different quarterbacks last year.

929
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 8: If I'm not mistaken, maybe three still had his bet

930
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 8: year in Cleveland. I mean, that's just a professional. With

931
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 8: a guy like that, you have to don't. You cannot

932
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 8: let him get comfortable.

933
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 6: Number one.

934
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 8: I would be on in his face the entire time,

935
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 8: but understanding that my responsibilities are still the same. I

936
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 8: still can't get beat inside. I still can't get beat deep.

937
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 8: I'm fashion than this guy. I can't get beat deep.

938
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 8: I'm quicker than him. I can't let him inside. There

939
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 8: are certain routes, uh minimum routes that you're gonna have

940
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 8: to give up. There's certain times he's gonna move a

941
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 8: chain on you. That's okay, because this is not just

942
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 8: a sprint. This is a marathon. And at the end

943
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 8: of the and when it's all said and done, you're

944
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 8: gonna have to figure this guy out.

945
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 6: Know what he's got to do, but also be the

946
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 6: player that you are.

947
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 8: Don't let him compromise your responsibilities, your technique, and your

948
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 8: confidence in yourself. Because there are certain things that I'm

949
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 8: good at, and I'm talking about the cornerback. There are

950
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 8: certain things that I'm good at. Whatever you're good at,

951
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 8: you better be good at that. But also have in

952
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 8: mind what your responsibility is as you go up against

953
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 8: these great vibe receivers. That's that's s commatic, that's commatic.

954
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 10: Seventy two receptions, twelve hundred yards five TVs.

955
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 9: Seventeen point four yard average. So when he gets you,

956
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 9: he gets you.

957
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 3: There is there's no four yard average. There is there's

958
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 3: no wasted movement on his route.

959
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 5: No, let me ask you this and nate your perspective too,

960
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 5: because and this is all on paper, not just because

961
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 5: of personnel, because this is Game one.

962
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 4: It's not Nick Chubb, it's it's drum Ford.

963
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 5: Both your tackles, excuse me, for Cleveland or on the

964
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 5: injured list or at least practice list.

965
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 4: We don't know if they're gonna play or not.

966
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 2: Both of them are limited today, by the way.

967
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 5: So it would appear that the running game would not

968
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 5: be the strongest element of Cleveland's offense as a defense.

969
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 5: How much does that help you or how much is

970
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 5: that just smoking mirrors?

971
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 10: That's smoking mirrors. Stefanski averages thirty rushers a game. He

972
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 10: don't care who the running back is. He know how

973
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 10: important that is to his play action pass. He gonna,

974
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 10: he's gonna We don't know who DeShawn is. You can't

975
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 10: tell me right now who DeShawn Watson is. We knew

976
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 10: what he was in Houston, and we knew what he

977
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 10: was two or three uh years ago, but we don't

978
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 10: know today. He's gonna run that rock no matter who's

979
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 10: back there. This man gonna run that rock thirty times.

980
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 10: So you can forget that, and our history tells him

981
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 10: what You better run the rock because the Cowboys have

982
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 10: not stopped anybody yet.

983
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 8: So and to me, the most dangerous person when you

984
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 8: have a good running game is the tight end.

985
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 9: Yes, sir, and they're tight end.

986
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,479
Speaker 6: If I'm not mistaken, made the Pro Bowl.

987
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 9: Jo Man, he.

988
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 6: Call him black Panther. Call him black Panther.

989
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 5: I mean he looks like he's a big, big, strong.

990
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 6: He's a stud.

991
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 9: I'm telling he's a stud.

992
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 10: The thing I like this game because it's so many

993
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 10: questions has to be answered on both sides of the

994
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 10: ball for them, incorporating Jerry Judy.

995
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 9: And all of that. I mean, Jerry Judy, well, I mean.

996
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 10: This is this is this is this is a I

997
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 10: wish he was having it here.

998
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 9: I wish he was at home.

999
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely, I mean, and this will be something where,

1000
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 3: you know, I think the some of the numbers that

1001
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 3: we've seen out there, like the projections out in Vegas.

1002
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 2: And stuff like that.

1003
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 3: Very low scoring game, I expect kind of a dog

1004
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 3: fight a little bit. The big thing people are talking

1005
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 3: about this week, though, is the Guidon versus Garrett thing,

1006
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 3: like how vulnerable are they there? Nate similar question Like

1007
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: what I was asking ever soon a minute go, if

1008
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 3: you got a chance to just kind of sit down,

1009
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: getting the ear Tyler Guidon. As he's preparing for this,

1010
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 3: what would you tell him?

1011
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 10: Technique technique and we and finish. When you play a

1012
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 10: great player, one thing I never did is I never relaxed,

1013
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 10: because a great player can hurt you at any moment.

1014
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 10: He can be going three quarter speed and you can

1015
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 10: be wide open. He can still get you because he

1016
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 10: gonna understand the formations.

1017
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 9: He gonna he gonna be, he gonna, he gonna be

1018
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 9: setting you up.

1019
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 10: Everything that Everson said as a corner, that is the

1020
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 10: same thing.

1021
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 9: For a left tackle, the very same thing. You got

1022
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 9: one on one.

1023
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 10: So you got to be a technique sound And when

1024
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 10: you get a chance to finish a guy finishing, you

1025
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 10: get a chance to put him on his back. Go

1026
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 10: on and finishing, but just get on up and going

1027
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 10: back to the huddle because the next player is coming.

1028
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 10: And a great player, they know they're gonna lose a few.

1029
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 10: But it's the setup. It's the setup. I'm gonna take

1030
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 10: hi up. Fiel'mna take him up feel. And now we're

1031
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 10: in the gritty part of the game. We up bout

1032
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 10: three were driving. It's in the middle of the field.

1033
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 10: I'm gonna tak him up field. Four times straight. Booom,

1034
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 10: He'll hit you back inside. Now, can you be smart

1035
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 10: enough to realize to set you behind down and shovel

1036
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 10: back inside?

1037
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 8: So yeah, to me especially, it depends on the play

1038
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 8: that you have called on certain there are certain things

1039
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 8: you cannot let happen because, like I said, when I

1040
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 8: coach the kids, guys, when you hear a call, there

1041
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 8: are certain things in your mind that I say first

1042
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 8: you go through it. These are things I cannot let happen.

1043
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 8: As I come out of the huddle, I cannot get

1044
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 8: be here. I cannot get beat there based on this call. Offensively,

1045
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 8: the same way if you're gonna have a draw player

1046
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 8: or whatever and you're going again, can't.

1047
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 9: Beat me on the inside. You can't let you go there.

1048
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 9: You go, you know, cover, you cannot cover two. You

1049
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 9: force it out right.

1050
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 6: If he goes out, you take it.

1051
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 9: If he goes inside, you got to go inside drop

1052
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 9: with him.

1053
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 6: You gotta let him go.

1054
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 9: It's just yeah's just certain things you've got to know.

1055
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 3: We got just about two and a half minutes left,

1056
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 3: so uh, let's let's run through real quick some just

1057
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 3: projections and predictions for this game. Will We'll start with

1058
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 3: you Cowboys Browns this weekend. What are you expecting?

1059
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 5: I mean, I expect the Cowboys to to win the game.

1060
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 4: Coming out of training camp.

1061
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 5: Everything that I've heard is that they've the Browns have

1062
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 5: gotten They're beat up a little bit and on the

1063
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 5: offensive line. And you're gonna tell me that Micah Parsons

1064
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 5: and DeMarcus Lawrence and that defensive line going up against

1065
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 5: a very shaky we don't know, Deshaun. You're right, but

1066
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,479
Speaker 5: what we what we do know is that he ain't

1067
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 5: coming out like c. J. Stroud, he ain't coming out

1068
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 5: like Patrick Mahomes. If he does be the shock of

1069
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 5: the year so far that I expect the Cowboys to

1070
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 5: be able to control there. And you can't win if

1071
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 5: you can't score. And so with Cowboys, I like him there.

1072
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 8: I like Cowboys as well. One thing you always have

1073
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 8: to there's always this X factor. The crowd is going

1074
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 8: to be behind him because the Cowboys are in town.

1075
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 8: I don't care what you say about optimism, pessimism, or

1076
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 8: wherever you go, well, wherever you go, they are going

1077
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 8: to be fired up to play the Dallas Cowboys.

1078
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 6: And that's just the way it is.

1079
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 8: So you have to expect that team to play you

1080
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 8: like they always play us as if it's their super Bowl.

1081
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 5: It's they're playing the nineties Bulls in purposuit.

1082
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 6: From now on.

1083
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 8: And so with me, I look at the Cowboys offensively,

1084
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 8: I look at the guys that we still have. I

1085
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 8: think I think we're in pretty good shape with our offense.

1086
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 8: I think our personnel is there. I think we can

1087
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 8: win this game. I'm looking at win him by ten points.

1088
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 9: You know where I'm going, So I don't even worry

1089
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 9: about it.

1090
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: What would you like to see?

1091
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 9: Then? What would.

1092
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 10: Our young guys to tackle in the center. They need

1093
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Speaker 10: to hur up and develop you. You cannot waste time.

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Speaker 10: These first six games did not does not allow us

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Speaker 10: to waste time. You start by beating Cleveland because they

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Speaker 10: have a bunch of question marks. Get settled down, get going.

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Speaker 4: I tell you what. They run the football.

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Speaker 5: If I was to ask for anything to happen, Cowboys

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Speaker 5: run the football, which would be a big surprise to me.

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Speaker 4: Run like very well. I'd be like, oh it'll look different.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's something that I think the Cowboys are are

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Speaker 3: going to be determined to do this year. As much

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Speaker 3: as there's been questions about the wrong game. I think

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Speaker 3: they still feel like they need to establish a little

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Speaker 3: bit they're ever someone else.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us tonight. We really

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Speaker 2: appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: For Nate Newton and Will Chambers. I'm baby well, thank

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Speaker 3: you so much for joining us tonight. Here Bobby Bell,

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Speaker 3: Bobby Bell, Dallas Cowboys drops off.

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