1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm George Ori, and welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a paranormal podcast network. 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: Like us on Facebook, Tell your friends and share us 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: The thoughts and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: and opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast A 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: out employees of premier networks or their sponsors and associates. 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: You are encouraged to do the proper amount of research yourself, 12 00:00:40,760 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: depending on the subject matter and your needs. You are 13 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with Meet Heidi Hollis on 14 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 15 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: podcast Network. Welcome to my show. Remember, each week you 16 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: come here, you will learn about various phenomena and how 17 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: things that are less spoken of can be brought to 18 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: the forefront, shed a little light on it, and not 19 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: feel ashamed or misplaced, but to feel in your own 20 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: power and meet the potential that is just waiting for you. Today, 21 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you about coming face to 22 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: face with something that is so horrible and so dark 23 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: and so overwhelming. Do we run? Do we hide? Do 24 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: we just cower in fear when we feel the wrath 25 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: of something coming at us? If that's our initial reaction, 26 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: do we regret it later and think of the punch 27 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: line or the comeback that we should have had instead 28 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: of our immediate gut reaction. Let me tell you it 29 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: is not easy to be met with something so out 30 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: of line with what we are familiar with. In the 31 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: experiences shared on the program today, you will see how 32 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: people who have some of the better reactions you'll ever hear, 33 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: though some may not always have turned out as they 34 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: have hoped, but remember good always wins in the end. Now, 35 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: I want to encourage all of you who are listening 36 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 1: to this show. If you or someone you know has 37 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: experienced anything out of the ordinary, from angels to aliens 38 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: and shadow people to hat man, go to my main website, 39 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: which is Heidi Hollis dot com and send me whatever 40 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: it is that you've experienced. If you got drawings as 41 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: much detail as you'd like to include in there, please 42 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: paint the picture, because the more details we get, the 43 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: better we can understand. This is all about all of 44 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: us coming together and placing our pieces into this puzzle 45 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: so we come to better conclusions and even better reactions. 46 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: You who will really enjoy what I have to share 47 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: with you today because some of these people. I'm really proud. 48 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: I really am, because some of these reactions are ones 49 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: for the history books. Let me tell you all right, 50 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: So this first email says, Dear Hidi, I encountered your 51 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: site and book The hat Man this week when I've 52 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: been talking to a friend of mine about ghosts and 53 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: shadow people. I read in your book The hat Man 54 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: that you respond to emails about encounters with this entity. 55 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: I hope you're still accepting these, I would say, I am. 56 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: You can also edit it down if you want. I 57 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: could get pretty wordy. I love this. I love the 58 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: more words the better. Anyway, since this happened, I've become 59 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: extremely skeptical about the paranormal. Not that I wasn't before, 60 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: but this and a couple of other things that have 61 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: happened to me keep me from going full blown hardcore 62 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: skeptic and denier of the supernatural. Talk of gray aliens 63 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: actually makes me incredibly uncomfortable, and it was hard to 64 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: actually write this sentence, like I full on get goose 65 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: bumps and shivers when I typed the words gray alien, 66 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: but I power through. I like this person all right. 67 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: Story time they literally put that. The details of when 68 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: exactly this happened are a bit fuzzy in my mind, 69 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: but I know I was in my early or mid 70 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: twenties at the time and living with my parents, so 71 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: this would have happened between two thousand and three and 72 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. I had been going through a 73 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: really rough time spiritually and emotionally at the time. I 74 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: had no idea what sleep paralysis was, but I've been 75 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: able to have lucid dreams since I was in fourth grade, 76 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: so I'm pretty well equipped to tell when I'm dreaming 77 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: or not. I'd woken up early in the morning for 78 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: some reason and saw a man standing next to my bed. 79 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: He seemed to be looking out the large window at 80 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: the back of the room towards the church that was 81 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: behind the house. At first, I thought it was my 82 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: brother being creepy. That's what brothers are good for. Except 83 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: he's quite overweight, not super tall, and about as sneaky 84 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: as a clumsy bull. This man was over six ft tall, 85 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: and neither particularly slim nor fat. He wasn't the insanely 86 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,559 Speaker 1: tall man your book describes, but anyone over six ft 87 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: two would have had to duck in that room. As 88 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: I woke up more fully, I realized he was just 89 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: a solid black shadow with depth and mass, but I 90 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: could not see any features, just a three dimensional silhouette. 91 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: It looked like he was wearing a great coat like 92 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: they used to wear in the late eighteen hundreds, the 93 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: kind of trench coat with a mantle on the top up. 94 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: He also wore an old school wide brimmed hat. I 95 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: realized he wasn't human almost at once, and thought it 96 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: was a demon, which terrified me. He seemed to notice 97 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: I was semi awake, and he turned towards me, almost 98 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: curiously when he did. I was not afraid anymore. I 99 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: was just overcome with anger and rage reminds me of myself, hilariously. 100 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: I tried to attack him, but couldn't move like I 101 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: was chained down. Not the pressing weight down the chest 102 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: of sleep paralysis, but like my limbs were being tied down, 103 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: which was a real trick. As I'm a side sleeper. 104 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: My anger and attempted violence seemed to surprise him, and 105 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: he took a step back and turned to face me. 106 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: I did still think this must be a demon, so 107 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: I rebuked him in the name of Jesus as I 108 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: had been taught to do, which didn't cost him to 109 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: even so much as flinch. He spoke and said that 110 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: won't work, in the tone of someone amused at the 111 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: actions of a naive child. Obviously, this didn't do much 112 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: to abait my anger. He then traced his finger up 113 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: my spine and said I'm not here for you anyway, 114 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: and actually tipped his hat to me. Then he walked 115 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: towards the window, humming some random tune, disappearing or maybe 116 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: walking through the wall, I don't know. I would have 117 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: probably forgotten about this the next day, except when I 118 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: took my morning shower, I felt a large, really angry 119 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: pimple or boil on my lower back, right over my spine. 120 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: There were a few more on my upper back in 121 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: the same area, maybe eight or nine along the length 122 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: of my spine from just below my collar line to 123 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: my tailbone that I could see in the mirror. They 124 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: weren't painful, but I was mildly uncomfortable to sit in 125 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: a chair for about two weeks. I did not know 126 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: at the time this hat Man was a fairly common, 127 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: globe spanning phenomenon, so I wasn't influenced by things I'd 128 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: read or scene, despite being somewhat interested in the paranormal 129 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: at the time. I didn't find out until I watched 130 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: an anime some probably two years later, and it was 131 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: mentioned there. I looked it up, probably finding some of 132 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: your work in the process back then, and somewhat shocked. 133 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: I noticed in your book that drugs and alcohol were 134 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: sometimes factors in hatman encounters. At that time, I was 135 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: a good Southern Baptist, and the hardest thing I had 136 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: ever taken was a ben a drill or two sometimes 137 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: to help me sleep or deal with allergies. Thanks A 138 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: just the initial fascinating story, and then he says, so 139 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: that's my story. I've had other weird experiences that might 140 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: be related. I don't know. Anyway. Years later, you're probably 141 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: the third person I've ever told about that. I have 142 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: very little idea on what to think about what was 143 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: going on, and I haven't been able to come up 144 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: with a rational non spiritual explanation for it. I haven't 145 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: finished your book, but I do agree the hat man 146 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: is some kind of evil entity or group of them. 147 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: I don't think this was an average run of the 148 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: mill demon. I've had brief encounters with them, and they 149 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: terrified me. This I just wanted to kill for some reason, 150 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: which is strange. Maybe this was the fasting and prayer kind, 151 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: not the easily rebuked kind. I'd love to hear what 152 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: you think. Very fascinating. This uh this a um. So 153 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: you know what I have to tell you. I've had 154 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: others who have told me, you know, I've rebuked it. 155 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: I said, in the name of Jesus, go away. But 156 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: you know very similarly what you're talking about. Here hat 157 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: man looking out the window. His goal was someplace else, 158 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: his attention was elsewhere, and he told you he wasn't 159 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: there for you. Could that be a factor. I think 160 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: it is, because if he was coming at you and 161 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: you said, in Jesus name, be gone, I think he 162 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: would have well, I'm pretty certain he would have taken 163 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: more than just one step backwards. But how peculiar about 164 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: leaving those boils on you and touching you like that. 165 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely disgusting to be honest, and you're a child, just terrible. 166 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: You know. I want to go into more depth about 167 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: your email here after the break because it definitely requires 168 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: more attention. So you guys, you're listening to Dark Becomes 169 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: Light with me, Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 170 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast a M Paranormal Podcast Network, and 171 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: we'll be right back. Don't go anywhere, there's more, Heidi 172 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: Hollis coming right up. 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Just before the break, I had a gentleman 198 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: who sent me his very fascinating story and encounter with 199 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: hat Man where he left physical boils down his spine, 200 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: where hat Man traced his finger and told him his 201 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: saying in the name of Jesus to leave didn't work. 202 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: But the very interesting thing is hat Man also told 203 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: him he wasn't there for him, so perhaps this is 204 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: the reason why his focus was elsewhere is why he 205 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: didn't take him on directly and go after him. But 206 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: also hat Man might have also been saving face, because 207 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: one thing about him is he's quite egotistical, and he 208 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: probably took a blow. And it's like he did take 209 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: a step back when you got angry, did he not? 210 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: He did, So you're pushing who you are at him 211 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: with anger and rage, wanting to kill him, and you're 212 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: a child that rage you're talking about. I so identify with. 213 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: This is something that I totally feel. Every time I 214 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: get an email like yours from anyone, I get more 215 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: and more angry and wanting to swing at him myself. 216 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: But you know what, swinging doesn't help, and it does 217 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: trap us. Anger is not the way. Jesus is the way, 218 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: and what you did and throwing yourself and your anger 219 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: towards him really made him take that leap back. And 220 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: then he's like, well, I wasn't here for you anyways. 221 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: It's almost like a schoolboy, but he was looking out 222 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: your window, so he wasn't putting his attention towards you. 223 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: Think goodness, So that is a lucky thought and a 224 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: lucky thing because as a child, some of the worst 225 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: emails I get are from children, and I unfortunately cannot 226 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: read those off here on this program unless apparent decides 227 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: they wanted to share what it is that the child 228 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: is experiencing. I do have a children's book that is 229 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: actually for all ages to help teach everyone how to 230 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: protect their homes and their living spaces. So these things 231 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: keep their distance from you. Now, then what is surprising 232 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: to me? As you mentioned that you learned of hat 233 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: Man from an anime. My goodness, is there no place 234 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: people have not gone in portraying hat Man and my work. 235 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: I just am stunned the links and the depths that 236 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: people go. But you know, what it is for me 237 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: is about helping people. Bringing awareness is one thing, but 238 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: the next level is fighting this thing because it's growing, 239 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: it's getting bigger, it's spreading like a cancer, and it's killing, 240 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: it's maiming, it's ripping souls apart, it's ripping families apart. 241 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: And you mentioned how I discussed in my book The 242 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: hat Man how rugs and alcohol can play a factor. Well, yeah, 243 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: when your guard is down, when you're sleeping, when you're 244 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: less likely to be able to defend yourself. There he goes. 245 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: He's quite a coward in that regard, So you can 246 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: always bet if you're sick, ill, injured. Hat man is 247 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: just like the snake slithering around trying to find this 248 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: little niche to get in. Because when we are at 249 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: our fullest potential, guess who's weak and the knees the 250 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: hat Man is. These evil things are they don't like 251 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: to take us on for who we are. No, no, no, no, 252 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: who I'm going to put the paralysis whammy on you. 253 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: What a big man and he's not a man. And 254 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: when you say demon, he's beyond being a demon when 255 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: he speaks. And if you ask, which I don't encourage, 256 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: he'll tell you he's the devil himself. And from the 257 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: looks of it, I think we are definitely lee being 258 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: met with the devil himself. So what does that say 259 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: when I'm telling you guys, there are reports of him 260 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: in the thousands all over the world, and it's just growing. 261 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: It's a problem everybody, and we have to rise to 262 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: the occasion or fall by the wayside, find your faith, 263 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: find your soul, because this thing is placing its bets 264 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: on us to not figure him out. I must say 265 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: that I'm truly puzzled how you could ever be a 266 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: skeptic after being met with something like that that left 267 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: physical marks on you, and that does happen. Don't feel 268 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: alone in that. But he was letting you know he 269 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: was there. He was real. Now this next story as 270 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: really something else. Talk about two different scenarios and how 271 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: he was handled. I love this one. This comes to 272 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: us from somebody that I know, and her name is Melissa, 273 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: and her mother's name is Christie, and the story goes in. 274 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: My mother had a hat man experience at St. Francis 275 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: Hospital in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Mom was admitted for a staff infection. 276 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: She was very, very sick. She had a roommate, an 277 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: older woman who was also very sick. Mom had antibiotics 278 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: and was taking pain meds. On the right side of 279 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: the bed appeared a black form and it had a 280 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: hat on. It was only just below the waist up 281 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: that was actually visible. It had no formed face. Then 282 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: it spoke and said, you're going to die. She was 283 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: startled to see him and for him to tell her that. 284 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: Her response to it was no, Satan, Jesus is my lord, 285 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: and only he knows when it's my time to go. 286 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: I am covered by the blood of Jesus. There was 287 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: no response from the hat man. He just vanished instantly. 288 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: She went to the bathroom and got on her knees 289 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: and prayed and cried. It was so horrible and really 290 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: shook her up. It was her first time to see 291 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: a spiritual being. Early nineteen nineties, My parents were living 292 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: in a town house. All three of us kids were 293 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: gone by then. She was in bed fairly early. Our 294 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: family dog, Thurman, was asleeping in his bed. The dog 295 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: started barking and looking up, and when she looked up 296 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: and turned around, she saw a black figure with a 297 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: snarling face that looked like a mask. Whence it saw 298 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: she noticed him, he turned and walked out and down 299 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: the steps. Mom went after him and said, in the 300 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: name of Jesus, I command you to leave this house. 301 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: You have no rights here. That thing went straight out 302 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: the door. The dog was at its heels and followed 303 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: it to the front door and looked out the side window. 304 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: He barked the entire time until it left. The bark 305 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: was vicious. Thurman did not like this being at all. 306 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: These were the only evil entities Mom ever saw. Melissa, 307 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: I love it. Hat Man came for her and she 308 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: told hat man, you're not here for me, buddy. This 309 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: is where I draw the line. I love that she 310 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: had the gall and the faith to smack him back 311 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: one and it worked. See that's thing that's a tactic, 312 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: these evil things trying to put their wrath on you, 313 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: to say I'm in control of the situation, and I'm 314 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: going to say everything that's going to scare everything out 315 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: of you, so you'll comply with what I'm telling you. 316 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: If something has to tell you what's going on, they 317 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: don't have that much power. And right now I'm going 318 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: to scare you because you're going to die. It's like 319 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,719 Speaker 1: the worst thing you could tell somebody and you're looking 320 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: into the face of something utterly evil. Now what is 321 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: She crumbled in the presence and go, oh my, this 322 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: is really going on. I am going to die. She 323 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: accepts what it has told her, and then it's got 324 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: her power. She was so quick, and I love this. 325 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: She was so quick to snap off and say that 326 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: isn't happening. Sure she was scared, but she didn't let 327 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: it take over her situation. Neither did the other story. 328 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: Didn't let him just take over his power. He threw 329 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: it at him and then hat Man's like, why wasn't 330 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: here for you anyways? No? No, yeah, right, buddy, we 331 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: don't know. It could be maybe not, who knows. Point is, 332 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: hat Man did not get his way. And the second 333 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: part of this story that she chased him out the 334 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: door with a dog too. I mean dog wasn't scared either. 335 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: I mean probably scared, but I was willing to do 336 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: what it took to push back. And it's not about 337 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: tearing after him. It's not about anchor, it's not about running. 338 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: It's about standing your ground. And she's right to have 339 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: stood her ground the way she did. Personally, I probably 340 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: would have stayed in the same spot and said go, 341 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: but the dog was going. Maybe I'd go with a 342 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: dog and be like yeah, yeah, with the dog said too. 343 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 1: You know, we're all in this together. I don't know, 344 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: but I love it. But do you see do you 345 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: see the power that humankind has and to have the 346 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: opposing force of Jesus God going along with it. I 347 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: threw Jesus out first because that's my shield. And again, 348 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm Christian. You guys hear me say that constantly, and 349 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: for me, it's appropriate. It works, It's what I know 350 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: works for every situation. And yes, I have good friends 351 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: who are not Christian and who use the good force 352 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: of God to push these things out. So God is 353 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: key in all of these situations, and our human potential 354 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: and our lack of doubts are also part of this 355 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: whole scenario. Keep that in mind, keep your stories coming. 356 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: You guys are in for a treat. 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You're listening to the I Heart Radio and 384 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast a M para normal podcast network, heard 385 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 386 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: you find your favorite shows. Welcome back. You are listening 387 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi Hollis on the 388 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. 389 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,959 Speaker 1: And remember, this show is all about shedding light on 390 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: topics less spoken of, and as promised, I have a 391 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: couple of fabulous guests coming up here. Tony and Sharie 392 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: Rathman are a husband and wife paranormal team and are 393 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: the founders of Entity Voices Paranormal Investigations or e v 394 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: P I, located in Phoenix, Arizona, and have spent the 395 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: last decade discovering the truth about spirits, entities, and life 396 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: after death. Tony and Sharie Rathman lead professionally operated paranormal 397 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: investigators into some of the darkest corners of Arizona and 398 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: just about anywhere they travel. Tony and Shari specialized in 399 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: spirit communication through both E v P and I t C, 400 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: which is instrumental trans communication, and operate the Copper Canyon 401 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: Paranormal Research Center. Everybody out of applause for some great 402 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: people and good friends of mine. Tony and Sharie Rathman. 403 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: How are you guys doing today? Hi? HII doing great? Hi? 404 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: Thank you for having us on. Oh my gosh, it's 405 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: such a pleasure. I am so excited to have you 406 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: both on. I've had the chance to get to know 407 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: you both, and I have to say you bring a 408 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: level of energy and excitement to the field. Thank you, 409 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and thank you for having us 410 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: here again. Yes, yes, of course, Well this is the 411 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: brand new show. So yeah, so luckily it's it's a 412 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: it's so cool to uh, you know, go to the 413 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: next level with you both. You know, I have to say, 414 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: you both are just amazing in this new technology that 415 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: you brought into the fold. And I want to hear 416 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: how did you two get involved in shedding some light 417 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: on this whole paranormal phenomena in your lives? Oh my gosh, 418 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: it's valid. It's Valentine's is around a corner that we're 419 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: actually coming up on eleven years of doing this. And 420 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: when I met Sheree and we got married, Um, she 421 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: was always interested in the paranormal being and having a 422 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: Filipino background, Um, you know, they're very rich in culture 423 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: as far as spirits go, as far as the afterlife goes, 424 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: And she grew up with that and she heard stories 425 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: and ghost stories and had experiences in the house that 426 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: she grew up in. Me, on the other hand, my 427 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: father was a physics, physical science, and chemistry teacher, so 428 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: when I asked questions, they were all science based. So 429 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: I was never a believer in the paranormal. And then 430 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: eleven years ago on Valentine's Day, Shari said to me, 431 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: I want to do something different this year. I said, Okay, 432 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: what would you like to do? She said, I want 433 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: to go ghost hunting and I was like, oh my, 434 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: you're kidding me. But of course it was a Valentine's 435 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: Day request and unless I wanted to pay for it 436 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: for the next year, I said sure. So I did 437 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: some research, book a hotel, got her some cheap equipment, 438 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: which I thought would sit in the closet for the 439 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: next couple of years until we tossed it away. But 440 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: after we went and we got home, Shari started going 441 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: through it and what we had captured. I was absolutely 442 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: blown away. And now eleven years later, we are still 443 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: chasing um the answers to the paranormal. From total skeptic 444 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: now he is to a full blown believers. That's awesome. 445 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: I love that it's the lady in this outfit that 446 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: went into the paranormal direction. I usually hear the opposite, 447 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: so that's quite a balance you too have. Yeah, it was, 448 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: like I said, it was a life changing event for me. Um. 449 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: I know Sar He's had great experiences and some negative 450 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: ones over the last eleven years. But man talked about 451 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: life changing and perspective of life and death and everything 452 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: in between. For me, it was just absolutely life changing 453 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, my gosh. So did you get any 454 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: push back from the family or friends that they look 455 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: at you strange when you both decided to start looking 456 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:36,719 Speaker 1: into this pretty seriously? Your your parents, my my, my 457 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: dad didn't really say anything negative, but he was the 458 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: hardest one to convince, obviously, being you know, science background. 459 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: Trying to answer some of his questions were the hardest 460 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: I've ever had to answer from anybody. Um, So that 461 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: was the kind of pushback I got. But now today 462 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,719 Speaker 1: there they're always checking out the new things that we're building, 463 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: the new equipment, how we're using it. So I think 464 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: I think we converted them a little bit too, So 465 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: that that's that makes me happy. Yeah, my mom will 466 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: tell will say, you guys are crazy. Well, it's a 467 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: it's a very fascinating hobby. And the cool thing about 468 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: you two, Like a lot of people, they'll step into 469 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: the ghost hunting arena and they explore, they learn, and 470 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: they just kind of move on and look for the 471 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: next challenge. But you both took it upon yourselves to 472 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: be like, well, how can we bring this closer to 473 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: show some evidence to the world. I I just it 474 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: blows my mind where you went with this new technology, 475 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: this new gadgetry that you keep improving upon year after year. 476 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: Can you tell a little bit about what it is 477 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: that you did and why. Absolutely when we first started, 478 00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: my um complete fascination was in e v p s, 479 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: and for so many reasons. I mean, there are there's 480 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: so much information you immediately get from an e v P, 481 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: not even including what was said on it. But you 482 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: can tell whether it's male or female. You can tell 483 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: whether they're an adult or whether they're a child. You 484 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: can tell if they've got an accent or what even 485 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: if it's a different language, whether it's Spanish or English 486 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: or you know, French or Japanese. Um, So there's so 487 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: much information that comes through before even what was said, 488 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: and then you get whatever the response message was on 489 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: top of it. That was absolutely fascinating to me, and 490 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: so we really focused on e v p s and 491 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: EVPs have been captured for years. I mean the first 492 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 1: single wire recorder back in nine two, there were some 493 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: monks or priests, the father's father or Nettie and Jameli 494 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: that captured e vps over a single wire recorder and 495 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: then like UM, Frederick Jorgensen captured e vps while doing 496 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: a nighttime bird recording. But we know that they can 497 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: be captured, but we don't know much more about them 498 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: after that. So my focus was to figure out how 499 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: this is happening, how best to clear them up? And 500 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: then we went from e v p s to I 501 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: T C. And the EBox is are about eleventh or 502 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: twelveth version of a spirit box which we took out 503 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: the static. It is absolutely silent until they speak, and 504 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: when they do speak, it is crystal clear. Oh, I 505 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: have been witnessed to what it is that you can 506 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: get on that that e box. My goodness, you know, 507 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: it's it's something to be told, what it is that 508 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: you created. But to be the subject of it, it 509 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: was really just it altered my whole thoughts around e vps. 510 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: And and I'll say for the record, EVPs used to 511 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,280 Speaker 1: freak me out to the point I could not listen 512 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: to it because I've heard enough of voices coming around 513 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: in a haunted location where I didn't need to or 514 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: want to listen to something recorded. It's like, why torture myself? 515 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: But but what it is that you capture, Like you said, 516 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: it's it's very pointed, they're answering, they're very responsive, and 517 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: just you you kind of get a sense of different 518 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,280 Speaker 1: levels of entities interacting as well. That is absolutely correct, 519 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,280 Speaker 1: and the range is quite extensive. And those original tests 520 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: we did with you, that was our first Evox. We've 521 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: built a new one now, the Evox two point oh, 522 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: and it even blows away the original Evox because, like 523 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,280 Speaker 1: I said, it is dead silent. There is no static, 524 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: no background noise, no scanning anything. It is absolutely quiet. 525 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: I'm almost afraid to try that one then, because we 526 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: got enough with that first one. Are you serious? Well, 527 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: so to been more intense. That's that's amazing. Oh my gosh. 528 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: So can you share a little bit about what it 529 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: is that you've uncovered in some of the locations with 530 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: your first or or the second evoks. Yeah, we've We've 531 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: used it from everything from UM investigations of haunted places, hotels, 532 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: We've used them in private home investigations, and then we've 533 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:29,959 Speaker 1: done extensive which we hadn't done prior, using them for 534 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: for personal UM people wanting answers from people who had 535 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:42,280 Speaker 1: passed away. We've done UM some lost UM leaves for 536 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 1: either crime or murder, scenes um and the information that's 537 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: come through has I mean, we've been like I said, 538 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,439 Speaker 1: we've been doing this over a decade, but the responses 539 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: that come through are absolutely astounding even to us today 540 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 1: because of how accurate it is and how quick it 541 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: is for us to ask a question and get a 542 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: relevant response. And the whole point about his spirit boxes 543 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: everything is relevance in timing. What did you ask? How 544 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 1: quickly did the response come in and did it relate 545 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,879 Speaker 1: to the question asked? And I would say ninety more 546 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: than the time. They are spot on amazing Now. Probably 547 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: one of the more unique elements that I heard and 548 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 1: the session that I had with you is something that 549 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: you felt and I kind of felt might be even 550 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: of an angelic kind of Uh, I don't know, not 551 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: human responses going on, And it's like, what do you 552 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,280 Speaker 1: think you're tapping into? What? What? How is this able 553 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: to do this? Well? You know, those are the questions 554 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: that we continue to research, and we know that there 555 00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: are different levels of spirits human spirits. You've got mentals, 556 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: you've got higher angels, you've got extraterrestrials. And when we 557 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 1: started to see the connection between paranormal activity and UFO 558 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 1: or extraterrestrial activity and started making those connections. I mean 559 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: we literally did a session, um, we haven't reviewed it yet, 560 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: but asking exactly who we're talking to and if they 561 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:31,720 Speaker 1: would identify who they were and whether that be spirit, elemental, UFO, 562 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: extraterrestrial um. But that is that is an area of 563 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: research we are now going on going down using the box. 564 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: You have got to put on a lot of different 565 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: hats to cover all of this. This is really in depth, 566 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: and you've got the equipment to take on so many 567 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: different areas as well, so it's not like you're just 568 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: honing in with this one piece of equipment. You've got 569 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: a lot of different things that you're using to measure 570 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: what it is you're coming across, and it helps to 571 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: give you different bits of information so you can better 572 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: identify it. Absolutely, and the more equipment we can use 573 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: and get to react, the more it substantiates that something 574 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: paranormal has happened. Absolutely. When we come back, we will 575 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: delve deeper into what it is that they've uncovered in 576 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: some of their paranormal adventures. You guys who are listening 577 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the 578 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 579 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 1: Stay right there, there's more Heidi coming right up. 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You are 596 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on 597 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to coast, a m 598 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: paranormal podcast network, and with me today is Tony and 599 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: Shari Rathin, and Wow, they are the inventors of a 600 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: very unique piece of equipment that is utterly mind blowing. 601 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 1: I don't even have words to lump it all in together, 602 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: but I experienced it, and we brought in I think 603 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: everything there, Tony, from aliens to angels too. I don't 604 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: know was were there demons in there too? There's a 605 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: lot there was, And I think that was probably the 606 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:32,879 Speaker 1: most diverse set of um answers and communication that came through. 607 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 1: You had everything. You had human spirits, you had angels, demons, 608 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: and extraterrestrials. It was unbelievable. It was I I was 609 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: just like, what is happening right now? But I am 610 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: so grateful to have had that experience. And you both 611 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,799 Speaker 1: you have had a wealth of experiences. You've investigated some 612 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 1: of the more fantastical paranormal phenomena. What can you share 613 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 1: with us, what's an investigation that you had that was 614 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 1: really through the roof. Well, the one that stands at 615 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,839 Speaker 1: the top of my mind, and I'm sure Shari would 616 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: agree with me, was we went over to the Philippines, 617 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: and Shari surprised me with an opportunity. She had gotten 618 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 1: permission to investigate the Diplomat hotel. This building was a 619 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 1: monk and none retreat to begin with. Then it was 620 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: taken over during World War two by General Yamashita was 621 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: used as a war base. Unfortunately he beheaded all the 622 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: monks and the nuns that were in the building at 623 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: the time. Um. Then when the U. S troops started 624 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: to push through, they took it back. Um. And then 625 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,799 Speaker 1: later it was turned into a hotel and then UM, 626 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm not sure for financial reasons. The monastery was prior 627 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: that was the retreat, But anyway that the history on 628 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: this place is just um unbelievable and a lot of 629 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: it tragic. Um. But the local community after dark won't 630 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: even go near it. Well, she got permission for us 631 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 1: to investigate it, so we spent the night in there alone. 632 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: The security guard would take about ten steps towards the 633 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: building and then said, you're on your own. I'm not 634 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: going any further. Well, this place was absolutely just overwhelming, 635 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,240 Speaker 1: and we have investigated all over but the first fifteen 636 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: minutes we were in there, and I've never heard sure 637 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 1: he say this but she said, let's go outside. I 638 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 1: need to get out of here for a minute, not 639 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 1: even like five minutes. When we walked in, I'm like, 640 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: it's very I had that feeling, very uneasy. So I said, 641 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. And he's like, um, we're 642 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 1: not even here five minutes, so what's going on? The 643 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: The energy in there was so strong and the e 644 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 1: v p s were so off the charts. We could 645 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: hear the majority of them with our own ears, let 646 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: alone what was picked up on the recorder. So everything 647 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: that we thought we heard, you can hear us say 648 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 1: did you just hear this? And then of course when 649 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,680 Speaker 1: we went back through the recording, sure enough they would 650 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: say it, we would hear it, repeat it. Um. But 651 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,799 Speaker 1: there was both good and dark presence in there. We 652 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: ran into both. Um. We we had e vps in 653 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:31,799 Speaker 1: English to Galic, Latin, and Japanese. It was luckily sure 654 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,799 Speaker 1: speaks three of the four. It's the Latin ones we 655 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: were still trying to figure out today, but it was. 656 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 1: It was amazing. You're lucky you have a global translator 657 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,359 Speaker 1: to carry along in your pocket. She's a huge help. 658 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: I don't charge him, Okay, great, My goodness, well, when 659 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 1: you come across a place that's so heavy like that, 660 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: do you aim to try to help the spirits that 661 00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,080 Speaker 1: are trapped there or what is your main object to 662 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,319 Speaker 1: when you're going into place like that? Well, the first 663 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: objective obviously is to find out what's there, who's there, 664 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: and what they need? And you know, you bring that up. 665 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 1: Did we try to help them? We have this video 666 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,720 Speaker 1: recording that you can hear so clearly of Sharia asking 667 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,080 Speaker 1: who's there, what happened to them? And the answers are 668 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: coming back. Shree and I were the only one in 669 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 1: the building. The answers are coming back unbelievably clear, and 670 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 1: they're not a word or two words, they're full sentences. 671 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,680 Speaker 1: They were saying that they were soldiers, that they're distraught 672 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 1: because they have families. Shari asked what happened to them? 673 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,800 Speaker 1: They were beaten to death. Um, it's just it's absolutely incredible. 674 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: YEA terribly terribly sad. But to hear it that clearly, Um, 675 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,839 Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean, obviously if we can cross them over, 676 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,319 Speaker 1: we we we have the ability to do that, and 677 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 1: we try. We did try. We just weren't there long 678 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,319 Speaker 1: enough to know whether it was successful. Wow. That that 679 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 1: is heavy. That's that is very heavy. I can't imagine 680 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,360 Speaker 1: having a conversation where you both can hear this and 681 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 1: and try to come up with remedies for that. That's 682 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: that's that's really heavy. Have you come across many children 683 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:26,239 Speaker 1: in such situations that pulls at you differently? Were you 684 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 1: bring in another team or something that might help you 685 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,960 Speaker 1: move these on? Yeah, we have a group of people 686 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,920 Speaker 1: that are I guess, I don't know professionals the right 687 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 1: word professional or very experienced removers, whether that be yeah, 688 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,719 Speaker 1: whether that be human spirits, demonic spirits. And yes, we've 689 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,360 Speaker 1: called on them multiple times from private home investigations that 690 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: we've run into, two businesses and other locations that are 691 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 1: like just I don't care what it is, just get 692 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,399 Speaker 1: it out. And yeah, there has been multiple times we've 693 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 1: called on other associates to to be able to help 694 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: us rectify it. Having this piece of equipment the way 695 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 1: that you you do and how fine tuned it is. 696 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,400 Speaker 1: Have you had people who are like, you know, I 697 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 1: lost a loved one in this home and I would 698 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: just like to hear them to communicate with them. Have 699 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 1: you had cases like that, and if so, what's been 700 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,120 Speaker 1: the case like, what's what's transpired with it? Yeah, we 701 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,520 Speaker 1: actually had um a family call us out of desperation. 702 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,879 Speaker 1: They had they heard voices and shadow figures in their 703 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,920 Speaker 1: upstairs hallway and they were extremely distraught by it. And 704 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,719 Speaker 1: usually that's what happens when they contact us. They're they're 705 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 1: somewhere between fear and terror, and you know, they're looking 706 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,799 Speaker 1: for help. Well, we went over there. We set up 707 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,840 Speaker 1: the entire house, I mean laser grids, night vision cameras, recorders, 708 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,080 Speaker 1: h parabolic mics, uh, anything and everything. We had mel 709 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 1: meters meth meters the whole nine yards to figure out 710 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: what was in the house. The funniest thing is we 711 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,279 Speaker 1: set up all this equipment, put a camera on it 712 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,000 Speaker 1: to capture whether the laser grids are moved, whether the 713 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:18,000 Speaker 1: motion detectors go off, and this voice is left on 714 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,880 Speaker 1: the recorder that says your camera is not working. And 715 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,600 Speaker 1: believe it or not, the camera was not working. It 716 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:29,160 Speaker 1: didn't record a thing. But yet the the e v 717 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,520 Speaker 1: P left identified it as a family member and took 718 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,920 Speaker 1: the fear away from the from the family because they 719 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:43,520 Speaker 1: recognized the voice. That is awesome. I love that. That 720 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,480 Speaker 1: must be really special because you know, there's so many 721 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,640 Speaker 1: people that do ghost hunting and they're looking for the 722 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,280 Speaker 1: evidence and whatnot, but there's I don't think there's anybody 723 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 1: quite like you too, that are able to say, hey, 724 00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,520 Speaker 1: listen to this here, does this sound like who you 725 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,480 Speaker 1: think is an And it's in real time. You're not 726 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 1: having to necessarily rewind the tape. They can hear it 727 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,399 Speaker 1: right then, right, Yeah, that's that's the great thing about 728 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 1: I t C. And that's what got me hooked into it. Now. 729 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,120 Speaker 1: There's nothing better than getting a class A E v 730 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,279 Speaker 1: P either, because that voice comes out of nowhere, and 731 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 1: if you don't hear it with your own ears, it's 732 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 1: not even you're not even sure it's there until you rewind. 733 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,839 Speaker 1: But the advantaged I t C is that voice comes 734 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,319 Speaker 1: back almost automatically. Sometimes it takes a couple of seconds, 735 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 1: but you can all hear real time and then react 736 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: to the response accordingly. And you will also recognize the 737 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:42,160 Speaker 1: voice of if ever if one of their family to write, 738 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,080 Speaker 1: which is exactly what happened at that private home investigation. Right, 739 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,759 Speaker 1: how can you explain this fancy piece of equipment you've got, 740 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,160 Speaker 1: because it it's a it's a beauty. I have to 741 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,520 Speaker 1: tell you that, how how can you better paint the 742 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,719 Speaker 1: picture what it is that you guys possess? Sure, well, 743 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,400 Speaker 1: I mean it's no different than a standard spirit box 744 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,799 Speaker 1: like an SP seven. The difference is is that the 745 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,640 Speaker 1: bands are widened, meaning that it goes above the one 746 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,480 Speaker 1: oh seven point eight where radio clicks off. It goes 747 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,520 Speaker 1: below the eighties six where radio clicks off. It expands 748 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:23,840 Speaker 1: that range of signal, so it has more opportunity to 749 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:29,440 Speaker 1: pick up UM voices or or spirit communication. Secondly, it 750 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,799 Speaker 1: skips known radio stations, so I don't care what city 751 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,160 Speaker 1: you're in, their specific stations that are used in any 752 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,400 Speaker 1: city you're in. It skips those, so you do not 753 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,239 Speaker 1: pick up regular broadcast UM. It uses a variety of 754 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,560 Speaker 1: sensors and inputs to pull this stuff in, including radio frequency, 755 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,759 Speaker 1: but there is no static, There is no scanning, there 756 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,520 Speaker 1: is no white noise the box literally you wouldn't even 757 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,760 Speaker 1: know it was on if a spirit wasn't responding. It's amazing. 758 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,120 Speaker 1: How can people get a hold of you if they 759 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,920 Speaker 1: want to make use of your services? Well really easily, 760 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,560 Speaker 1: um Uh. They can go to Entity Voices dot com. 761 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,920 Speaker 1: That's our website. Um. They can also find us on 762 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:18,160 Speaker 1: Facebook under Entity Voices Paranormal Investigations, and if they're looking 763 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,360 Speaker 1: to see more clips and things we've captured in places 764 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,520 Speaker 1: we've been, they can go to YouTube and look up 765 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,759 Speaker 1: Entity Voices Paranormal Investigations. That's wonderful. And you know, I 766 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,200 Speaker 1: gotta say, you two are really doing a service to 767 00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:36,080 Speaker 1: bring these less spoken of and and realized uh phenomena 768 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 1: to the surface for people. You're literally are bringing it 769 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,000 Speaker 1: right to their ears and and I just find it amazing. 770 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,600 Speaker 1: I really do, so. I applaud you, thank you, thank you. Yeah, 771 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,439 Speaker 1: so thank you so very much, uh Tony and Shari 772 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,080 Speaker 1: Rathman for coming on the show. This is this is 773 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,640 Speaker 1: great and uh, I really look forward to seeing where 774 00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,680 Speaker 1: you go with your next evox because you seem to 775 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:05,439 Speaker 1: keep building upon what's already genius. Thank you, thank you. Yeah, 776 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,719 Speaker 1: we were started on something new. It's different from the 777 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,120 Speaker 1: E box. Oh you should hear this one. But we 778 00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 1: tested it the other night and what we got back 779 00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,480 Speaker 1: for everything's on it. I just shocked, awesome, awesome. Well, 780 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,040 Speaker 1: thank you both so much for joining me. All right, 781 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:24,479 Speaker 1: thank you. I absolutely amazing and so very important when 782 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,200 Speaker 1: people need that element of scientific proof to show that 783 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,719 Speaker 1: something out of the ordinary is going on. The Rathman's 784 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,760 Speaker 1: really bring it forward and their work is just amazing. 785 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,920 Speaker 1: I want to thank you all for tuning in today 786 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,520 Speaker 1: and remember go to my main website, which is Heidi 787 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,879 Speaker 1: Hollis dot com and send me your emails, your experiences, 788 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,640 Speaker 1: and anything out of the ordinary that you'd like to 789 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,080 Speaker 1: comment on. You have been listening to Dark Become Slight 790 00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,960 Speaker 1: with me, Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and 791 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,399 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. I will catch 792 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:09,640 Speaker 1: you next time if I everybody, Well, if you like 793 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,759 Speaker 1: this edition of Dark Becomes Light, wait till you hear 794 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,600 Speaker 1: the next one. You've been listening to the Heart Radio 795 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,320 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast a um Pyranormal Podcast Network.