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Speaker 3: I got one of those calls where my husband was like,

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Speaker 2: exciting weekend. I am glad to be back into it

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Speaker 2: I hate talking about Jeffrey Epstein. You know, Okay, Donald

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Speaker 3: And it's that's not to say that the president should

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Speaker 1: It's just all the tactics feel exactly the same.

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Speaker 3: Right, third time, and you know, he'll make history again

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Speaker 3: and they won't unpresident him.

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Speaker 2: Let's start off with our friend Bethany Mandel wrote a

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Speaker 1: I don't wish to do that to Kelsey Vallerini, and

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Speaker 3: Look, living life is hard and there I think there's

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to fall for this feminist messaging. Don't worry.

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Speaker 2: And I do worry. I do worry that the andrew

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Speaker 2: Tates of the world are going to reach him and

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Speaker 2: tell him that all girls are scum. And that is

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Speaker 2: something that people need to be concerned with, especially on

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Speaker 2: Nick Fuentes another guy who frequently talks about how pointless

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Speaker 2: it is to get my.

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Speaker 1: Oh women are terrible, yeah, awful.

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Speaker 2: Women are the worst, and how he remains a single man.

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Speaker 2: These are all people that you need to worry about

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Speaker 2: them influencing our young boys.

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Speaker 3: I do think we have sort of lost our way. Look,

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Speaker 3: there's always been a war between the sexes. Obviously we're

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Speaker 3: very different mars Venus, et cetera. Yeah, it's it has

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Speaker 3: always been thus. But I do think our at least

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Speaker 3: in the political realms, our conversations about these things are

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Speaker 3: just driving men and women apart. And then you see

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Speaker 3: in other areas. I notice my Instagram feed is much

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Speaker 3: better at bringing men and women together.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of solid like how do you be

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Speaker 3: You should objectify your husband more often wives content like

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Speaker 3: Christian nice dad content, secular nice dad content, Like there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of like let's try not to hate each

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Speaker 3: other content, whereas on X you're like, wow, yeah, a

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Speaker 3: lot of you dislike the opposite right fender a.

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Speaker 1: Lot not that there are only two genders, I.

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Speaker 2: Know, or very heteronormative on the show, there are actually

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Speaker 2: only two genders.

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Speaker 3: But Bill Ackman, I feel like it's trying to give

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Speaker 2: He says, I hear from many young men that they

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Speaker 2: find it difficult to meet young women in a public setting.

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Speaker 2: In other words. The online culture has destroyed the ability

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Speaker 2: to spontaneously meet strangers. As such, I thought I would

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Speaker 2: share a few words that I used in my youth

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Speaker 2: to meet someone that I found compelling. I would ask

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Speaker 2: may I meet you before engaging further in a conversation

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Speaker 2: I almost never got to know, and he goes on

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Speaker 2: and on. But then may I meet you became just

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Speaker 2: an internet meme sensation. Over the weekend, people mocked it relentlessly.

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Speaker 2: It is an old fashioned way of time formulation. You know,

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Speaker 2: may I meet you has very hello dear, which is

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Speaker 2: what scammers say to people on the internet. Any message

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Speaker 2: that starts hello dear online is somebody trying to steal

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Speaker 2: something from you, and may I meet you just has

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Speaker 2: this old fashioned, not current at all way about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like you're gonna get the gen z stare for

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Speaker 3: sure after that one. But I do think there's something too.

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Speaker 3: My hope for this phrase is that it becomes like

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Speaker 3: a joke for the terminally online, and the terminally online

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Speaker 3: actually take.

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Speaker 1: It into the real world and they may be between.

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Speaker 3: Each other about may I meet you, and then all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden we have the lest real marriages of

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Speaker 3: people meeting But I do think if there is a

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Speaker 3: each other in public.

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Speaker 1: I agree a thing that I like.

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Speaker 3: And who knows how gen Z women would react. But

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Speaker 3: I always thought it was classy when someone would send

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Speaker 3: the drink across the bar and they would just like,

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Speaker 3: not a lot of expectations, just like just send it off.

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Speaker 3: And I always thought that was kind of cool. Gives

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Speaker 3: you a little entry, right, And maybe that would like

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Speaker 3: totally freak out gen Z. I don't know, but they do.

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Speaker 2: We do need afraid of what's gonna happen when this

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Speaker 2: comes out and Mary Katherine Ham suggests sending a drink

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Speaker 2: across the bar, May I meet you? Nice?

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Speaker 1: May what may I meet you? Written about it?

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Speaker 3: Now, there's like again losing the script for how humanity

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Speaker 3: communicates with each other. I appreciate Bill Ackman's attempt to

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Speaker 3: get us shut to some ways of doing fun.

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Speaker 1: Fun was had.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and our weird twelve year olds can tell everybody

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Speaker 3: how to talk to each other.

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Speaker 1: Yep, they're nutshy.

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Speaker 2: They'll they'll they'll definitely be sending drinks and saying, may

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Speaker 2: I meet you?

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Speaker 1: Men and women, we gotta pull it together. Y'all, we

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Speaker 1: really do.

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Speaker 2: Let's fix this. Thanks for joining us on normally. Normally

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