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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to I've never said this before with

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Speaker 1: me Tommy di Dario. Today is a special episode because

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Speaker 1: I have not won but two incredibly gifted guests on

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Speaker 1: my show who brings so much.

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Speaker 2: Joy to the world through their work.

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Speaker 1: Alice Osman and Patrick Walters are behind the smash hit

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Speaker 1: Netflix series Heartstopper, a show that I think many people

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Speaker 1: wish will go on forever. Alice is an award winning author, illustrator,

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Speaker 1: and screenwriter who created the LGBTQ plus romance webcomic heart Stopper,

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Speaker 1: which of course is now published as graphic novels as well,

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Speaker 1: and has been adapted into the series by the same

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Speaker 1: name that You Know and You Love, starring the one

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Speaker 1: and only Kit Connor and Joe Locke. Patrick joins Alice

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Speaker 1: as an executive producer on heart Stopper and works at

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Speaker 1: Seesaw Films, which is an Academy Award, Emmy and BAFTA

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Speaker 1: winning television and film production house. These two humans men,

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Speaker 1: they are quite special and they have brought to life

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Speaker 1: characters in Heartstopper that makes so much many viewers feel

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Speaker 1: like their personal stories matter, that they deserve to be seen.

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Speaker 1: It's quite special. What they have built. So let's see

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Speaker 1: if today we can get Alice and Patrick to say

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Speaker 1: something that they have never said before. Alice and Patrick,

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Speaker 1: how are you today?

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Speaker 3: Good?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not too bad.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to New York.

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Speaker 1: Are you enjoying yourself?

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Speaker 4: Loving it? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, we got a hey yesterday, so we've we've

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Speaker 3: sort of been all over the place in a compecial

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Speaker 3: amount of time. But yeah, it's fun.

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Speaker 1: It's been a whirlwind, well wind, yeah, But I feel

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Speaker 1: like your lives are whirlwinds because you always have so

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Speaker 1: much going on. You're a part of such a fan

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Speaker 1: favorite project Heartstopper, of course, that had season three recently

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Speaker 1: come out. There's there's so much I want to dive into,

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Speaker 1: but I guess to begin. This question came to me

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Speaker 1: in the shower, oddly enough. But I'm so curious about

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Speaker 1: start with you, Alice. So season three obviously is out now,

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Speaker 1: Volume five of your graphic novel is out as well.

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Speaker 1: That's been out. What continues to keep the inspiration flowing

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Speaker 1: for you? What keeps you motivated to keep writing this story?

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Speaker 1: Because you've now lived with it for quite a long time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been eight years since I started making the comic.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Nick and Charlie are just such precious characters

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Speaker 5: to me. They've existed for even longer than Heartstyle pers existed.

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Speaker 5: They were characters in my very first book, which I

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Speaker 5: wrote in twenty twelve, so they've been with me for

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Speaker 5: a really long time. And I've always had this vision

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Speaker 5: for this story and I have to see it through

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Speaker 5: to the end, like I want the complete story of

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Speaker 5: Nick and Charlie to exist in the world. And so

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Speaker 5: that's what keeps me going.

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Speaker 1: I guess, And you know how you want it to end?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so interesting to me. From a creative standpoint,

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Speaker 1: I assume there are some writers and artists who write

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Speaker 1: then there are some who also very much now how

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Speaker 1: it's going to end, and that's fascinating to me. And

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Speaker 1: here you are one day what online kind of coming

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Speaker 1: across the web series, the webcomic, and you were like, oh,

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Speaker 3: This exactly like you describe. I was just I came

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Speaker 3: of fan reaction in that I loved it and I

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Speaker 3: And so that was the thing that I was like,

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Speaker 3: was very quickly after I read it that I contented

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I really approach Hotstoppers like a fan. So

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Speaker 3: I sort of test in my own head, like, as

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Speaker 3: And that's how we've done it for five years.

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Speaker 1: Now, I guess did you have any idea that it

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Speaker 1: the series, because obviously people love your work, but you

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Speaker 1: just never know how something can translate. And in the

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Speaker 1: world we live in, I know you hear this from

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Speaker 1: probably Azillien people, so you know, forgive me for repeating

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Speaker 1: probably what everybody tells you. But it's such a special show.

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Speaker 1: I didn't grow up with anything like this. I am

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Speaker 1: a millennial. I didn't have this. I didn't even know

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Speaker 1: it's just such a form of art. I never knew

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Speaker 1: that it does for other generations and not just in

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Speaker 1: and compassion and love and all the things. So did

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Speaker 1: Do you have any fear with that?

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Speaker 3: I think in how we pitched it as a TV show,

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Speaker 3: we were conscious that the TV industry hadn't yet gone

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Speaker 3: there with characters that age and a really kind of

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Speaker 3: but it should exist. And so when we started talking

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Speaker 3: And so it was with the intention of creating something

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Speaker 3: So in answering a question around did we expect it

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Speaker 3: to have the impact, we didn't expect because that was

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Speaker 3: like too scary. But I think we hoped that it

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Speaker 2: In this way.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we definitely didn't think it would blow up to

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Speaker 5: the extent that it has done. It's so mainstream now,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you forget that before it was out there

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Speaker 3: felt like, I really want them to take a chance

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Speaker 1: So when you created this, did you ever think maybe

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Speaker 1: one day this could be a series? Like did that

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Speaker 2: What was that process?

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Speaker 4: Not at all.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I've been in the book world for much

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Speaker 5: know that book adaptations are so rare, and books get

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Speaker 4: I can't explain express how rare that is.

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Speaker 5: So I'd never even let myself imagine that that could

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Speaker 5: I wasn't even sure that it could get published as

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Speaker 5: There aren't really contemporary why graphic novels at all, and

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Speaker 1: That's so funny when people, especially on the executive level,

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Speaker 1: And I see that happening even today. I either are

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Speaker 1: it's to just stick to what's safe and what people

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Speaker 3: And I think that's credit to you, Alice in terms

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Speaker 3: I just love this story and I want to do it,

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Speaker 1: Well then, God, you stuck to your gun. You saw

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Speaker 5: he did like a monologue of Charlie Spring and also

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Speaker 3: And that was in a batch of like, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it really did feel like they both walked in.

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Speaker 3: And also we were doing this in COVID, so we

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Speaker 2: That sounds so hard.

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Speaker 3: Joe's in the waiting room and it's like and then

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Speaker 1: That's incredible, and I like that you allow the space

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Speaker 1: And I love when I see people writing online. You know,

444
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Speaker 1: I'm in my fifties, I'm in my sixties, and I

445
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 1: know I'm not the target demo, but this really reaches

446
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 1: and connects with me because I never ever thought that

447
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 1: this world could exist, and now they're seeing it at

448
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 1: an older age and they feel so seen. Things like that,

449
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,120
Speaker 1: I feel like, are so incredibly powerful.

450
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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, again, it's so unexpected, Like I never imagined

451
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,120
Speaker 5: that so many people of all different ages and life

452
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 5: experiences would be able to find something in hartstuff, but

453
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:15,880
Speaker 5: they have and that's really special.

454
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the end of season three a bit

455
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Speaker 1: where we see Nick starting to need more of that

456
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Speaker 1: emotional support, right, Do you see more in that storyline

457
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Speaker 1: coming or do you want to develop that a bit more?

458
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Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely.

459
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Speaker 5: I mean I'm working on volume six of the graphic

460
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 5: novels at the moment, which is post season three story wise,

461
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 5: and that is very much the focus of the story

462
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 5: is Charlie is now doing really well, he's kind of

463
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 5: thriving at school, or Nick is actually starting to struggle

464
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Speaker 5: because he's starting to realize he's been focused on Charlie

465
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 5: for so long, helping Charlie through this really dark time

466
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 5: that he hasn't been focusing on himself and he doesn't

467
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Speaker 5: really know who he is outside of this relationship. So

468
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Speaker 5: Nick has his own journey to go on, I think,

469
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Speaker 5: to figure out what he wants out of life, particularly

470
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Speaker 5: as he's going to be leaving school soon. He's going

471
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Speaker 5: to be going off into the big wide world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've never written both things side by side.

473
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Speaker 1: This is the first time. Right where you're kind of

474
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Speaker 1: tying the show with the graphic novel, you're kind.

475
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Speaker 2: Of caught up.

476
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Speaker 4: I caught up.

477
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Speaker 5: The moment I caught up was right at the end

478
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Speaker 5: of when I was working on volume five. While I

479
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 5: was during that, I was literally writing those scenes in

480
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Speaker 5: the script at the same time.

481
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Speaker 4: That is stressful. Yeah, yeah, it's very stressful.

482
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Speaker 5: But yeah, so now, yeah, I just have to keep going.

483
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Speaker 1: It's safe to say a season four might be coming

484
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Speaker 1: Fingers Crossed.

485
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Speaker 5: We haven't got any solid news as of yet. Obviously

486
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 5: we'd love to. I really really just want to tell

487
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 5: the end of the story on TV and bring all

488
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Speaker 5: of those characters their stories to a close.

489
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Speaker 4: So yeah, fingers.

490
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Speaker 1: Crossed before it would be the end of Yeah.

491
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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.

492
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Speaker 1: For I don't accept that's a nice. Okay, so you

493
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 1: might have to stretch it out right, Yeah?

494
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you think you can do that?

495
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 3: Is that the schedule has for graphic novel and TV

496
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 3: version of Hard Stopper has been pretty punishing on you

497
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 3: in terms of, like just because Alice literally does everything,

498
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 3: and so it's a really unique scenario where usually there

499
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Speaker 3: are lots of writers working on a show or they

500
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Speaker 3: don't have quite the level of like sort of extreme

501
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 3: forensic you know, attention to detail that Alice does all

502
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Speaker 3: the way through. So it puts a lot of pressure

503
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Speaker 3: on you, and I'm always like, oh god, I'm having

504
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 3: to ring Alice up and be like, hey, we need.

505
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Speaker 2: X by this.

506
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Speaker 3: It's just it's a lot.

507
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you need a break?

508
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yeah.

509
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Speaker 1: Well I was going to ask, is it hard to

510
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: separate from that work that you love so much and

511
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 1: you're so invested in and so involved in. But as

512
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Speaker 1: a human, I'm sure sometimes you want to focus on

513
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: you without that, So is it hard to find that

514
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: balance right now for you?

515
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Speaker 4: Definitely?

516
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Speaker 5: My life has been Hot Supper full time for several

517
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 5: years and I love it, like I really really do

518
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 5: love it. It's not like I'm.

519
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 4: Tired of it. Or anything.

520
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 5: I adore heart Stopper, but I am excited to find out,

521
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 5: you know, what I could do once I don't have

522
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 5: heart Stoppers to work on anymore. There's so many exciting

523
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 5: different things that I could make, and that's really Yeah,

524
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 5: I'm really looking forward to that.

525
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, when that time comes, it will be well deserved.

526
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Speaker 1: I have a few fan questions. Okay, I have three

527
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Speaker 1: of the most popular questions I saw when I asked

528
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Speaker 1: two as my guest. Okay, so these kept coming up

529
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Speaker 1: over and over and over again. The first one was,

530
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Speaker 1: how was the process of finding the soundtrack from the season?

531
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Speaker 1: And what are your favorite songs from the season.

532
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Speaker 5: Oh well, every season, me and Patrick we make a playlist.

533
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 5: While I'm writing. We just we're putting songs in there

534
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 5: that remind us of the season, remind us of heart Stopper.

535
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 5: And then in the editing process, once it's all been filmed,

536
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 5: the editors use the play to pick songs for the scenes,

537
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 5: or they find something with like a similar vibe.

538
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 4: Then when we're reviewing.

539
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 5: Episodes, we give our opinions, don't we And yeah.

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00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sort of by season three, it kind of

541
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 3: it feels like a muscle that we Yeah, it is

542
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: quite kind of like we've got down the art of

543
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 3: what hart stopper song is and how it needs to

544
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 3: sort of sync to what's on screen. And I think

545
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 3: we've been lucky obviously in that we've that Sounds has

546
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 3: gone over really well with the fans and Netflix get

547
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 3: that it's really important to get the right music, and

548
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 3: so we've been able to get bigger artists as we've

549
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: gone on, like Taylor Swift and Billie Eilish this season.

550
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Speaker 3: So it's been a really satisfying creative bit of the process.

551
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Speaker 5: And there's so many great songs in season three. One

552
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Speaker 5: of my personal favorites is wish on an Eyelash by

553
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 5: more Rat, which just like made me cry so much

554
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 5: when I first saw it in the scene. And there's

555
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Speaker 5: also two amazing tom Odell songs which are just beautiful

556
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 5: again made me cry, like, yeah, yeah.

557
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Speaker 3: I think it's also nice to go back to us

558
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 3: is that you've used in previous seasons. So there's an

559
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: amazing in at one where Nick and Charlie go into

560
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 3: the scene and they both want to have this conversation

561
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 3: but about different things, and there's this amazing kind of

562
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: quite melancholy baby Queen song that we've got in that moment,

563
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: And obviously we've had loads of her tracks in the

564
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Speaker 3: previous two seasons, and she kind of cameoed in season two.

565
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Speaker 3: So it's always good to have that kind of family

566
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Speaker 3: spirit to it, which I think has been how we've

567
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: tried to do it. Yeah.

568
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean music is so important, right, it tells

569
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,239
Speaker 1: the story as well, and you guys, you nail it

570
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: consistently with what you two sell.

571
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Speaker 2: Kudos to you.

572
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Speaker 1: Second most popular film question, Will there be a collected

573
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Speaker 1: book of the scripts released?

574
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Speaker 5: I mean, no current plans, but that would be really cool.

575
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Speaker 5: I feel like I would enjoy that, maybe once the

576
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 5: heart of the show has come to a close. I

577
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 5: think that would be really fun for people to to see.

578
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 3: It's reminded me that in season one we were you

579
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 3: were writing it over the pandemic period, so it was

580
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 3: kind of lockdown, and so we had a lot more

581
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 3: time to finesse those scripts. Even we even put in

582
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Speaker 3: where the hartstop or animated sequences where you doodled into

583
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 3: the script. And when the actors had had the scripts

584
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 3: of season one, they saw little petals or sparks of

585
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 3: electricity or whatever it was that was going to be

586
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: on screen, and then we've got we've had less and

587
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: less time that I think season two and three.

588
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Speaker 5: Would have to kind of like season two we did it,

589
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 5: and then season three we did I'm sure we did.

590
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well.

591
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Speaker 1: That would be pretty cool to see that.

592
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 2: That's special.

593
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: And last man question, if you had to choose another

594
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Speaker 1: one of Elise's works to adapt for the screen, which

595
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: would it be? Why me?

596
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Speaker 4: Yeah, what would you pick? I'm intrigued Radio Silence.

597
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it would be my pick. But I would

598
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: be happy and privileged to do.

599
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Speaker 2: Any of them. So why would you pick that one?

600
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Speaker 3: I think it's just got a very it's very different,

601
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 3: but it also has that kind of like slightly unexpected

602
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: friendship and it's cool that I think is really really exciting. Yeah.

603
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 3: I love those characters.

604
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're speaking as if this is happening. Are you're

605
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: breaking news right here? Okay, well we'll put it intah,

606
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: We're gonna manifest for you.

607
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 2: I love that so much. The name of this show.

608
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: Is I've never said this before, and I love having

609
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: people come on who give a lot of interviews and

610
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: do a lot of press and get to talk about

611
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: the projects that fans love so much, but I also

612
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: love to learn a little bit more of the human

613
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: side of them. So I'm wondering, is there anything that

614
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: the two of you can think of today that you've

615
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: never said before that you want to share and that

616
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: question can mean whatever it means to you.

617
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I've never said before.

618
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: You can take a minute time, I guess for me,

619
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: I've never said before. It's been really fun to be

620
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: out here with you, Alison, Like doing this press store

621
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: season three feels like such a kind of achievement, And

622
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: we've really been through the ringer on part stopper as

623
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 3: well as been so excited and passionate, and I think, like,

624
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: you know, you're really like my kind of creative partner

625
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: in this process, and it's it's so valuable just to

626
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: have that dialogue between us. Yes, it's really unusual, and

627
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 3: I've never said that before.

628
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, now I have so much pressure, Like I guess,

629
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 5: I've had such a positive experience of a book adaptation.

630
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 4: I love the show so much. I'm so proud of it.

631
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 5: I think it's one of the best experiences of book

632
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 5: adaptation I could hope for. But at the same time,

633
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 5: it has been really emotionally strenuous the entire time because

634
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 5: I care about the story so much. Anything that is

635
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 5: even slightly wrong feels like the world's ending in my mind.

636
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 5: So it's been so positive, but it's also the most

637
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 5: stressful thing I've ever ever done. And also it's taken

638
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 5: a lot of time for me to learn how to

639
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 5: work in such a big team because I worked on

640
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 5: my own my entire career until Heart Stopper, and suddenly

641
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 5: this story that means the world to me, I have

642
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 5: to trust other people to take care of it and

643
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 5: to use their own creativity to make something out of it.

644
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 5: And that was hard for me, Like that was really

645
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 5: a learning curve that I found really hard sometimes.

646
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Speaker 4: But it's all worked out, so you know.

647
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Speaker 1: Well, and I think that's really cool you share that

648
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: because people see the success and the end product and

649
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: you know the glory of it all. But you are

650
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: a person that has a lot on your shoulders, and

651
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: of course that when something is this close.

652
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: To your heart, you are going to worry.

653
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: When you have other people that get involved, and not

654
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: worry in a negative way. You just want to make

655
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: sure it's handled with care. So I think that is

656
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: really an interesting perspective in going off of that. How

657
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: do you take care of yourself, because that's a lot

658
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: that you just described on your shoulders to take care

659
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: of you.

660
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 5: I'm not the best at self care, I would say,

661
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 5: like trying to take a step away from it when

662
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 5: I can is really important. Not that I'm very good

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Speaker 5: at it, but you know, I've had I think I

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Speaker 5: did like a month off of social media last year,

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Speaker 5: and it truly felt like I was reworrying my brain

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Speaker 5: just not having access to everyone's thoughts and opinions about

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Speaker 5: Heart Stopper, which I love to read, Like I really

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Speaker 5: do love to read what people are enjoying and saying

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Speaker 5: about the show and about the comic, But just taking

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Speaker 5: that time away from that felt like I could breathe

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Speaker 5: a little bit for a while.

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Speaker 3: We've had some We've had to have some like pretty

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Speaker 3: tough conversations about how there are often windows of time

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Speaker 3: where you have to move really quickly from a production

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Speaker 3: point of view, and what I've found quite challenging is

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Speaker 3: that puts so much pressure on you as the writer

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Speaker 3: because you write every script and you're also completely involved

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Speaker 3: in the pre production, the filming, and the editing and

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Speaker 3: all the post on the show. So sometimes I've been

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Speaker 3: in a position where it's like I have to go, hey,

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Speaker 3: if we want to film it at this point, which

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Speaker 3: oftentimes we have to because just the actors are growing up,

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Speaker 3: or there's whether windows, there's just really banal stuff actually,

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Speaker 3: and it ends up being like you've got to write

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Speaker 3: a script like a first draft and show it to

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Speaker 3: me like in about two point five seconds.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel oh, no, you know, And.

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Speaker 3: That is the difficulty of behind the scenes making the TV.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's like it has I've been aware put you

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Speaker 3: in quite impossible positions a lot. Yeah, but yeah, we've

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Speaker 3: always come through and.

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Speaker 4: We make it through.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Like the TV deadlines in terms of writing are

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Speaker 5: like nothing I've ever experienced. And I was an author

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Speaker 5: for a long time before I wrote for TV. But

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Speaker 5: you miss a deadline in TV, everyone's careers are like

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Speaker 5: messed up and you just can't. So it's been really

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Speaker 5: tough to have to work at that pace, I think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and sort of and kind of change the mindset

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Speaker 3: a little bit. In terms of like writing novels or

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Speaker 3: even the comic it's like it's a finished product that

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Speaker 3: you're putting out in the world and that's how you

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Speaker 3: want the audience to take it in and enjoy it.

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Speaker 3: Whereas the scripts are like they're like a blueprint for

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Speaker 3: coaction and it's like, we need to get the script

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Speaker 3: so the costume and the.

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Speaker 5: Props and to give them my first draft, which like

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Speaker 5: as a writer, when I first had to do that,

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Speaker 5: I think it was season two where we just had

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Speaker 5: no time and you had to be like, the costume

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Speaker 5: designer needs the script, and I was like, I don't

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Speaker 5: want anyone to read my first draft, but I had

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Speaker 5: to because otherwise they don't have time to do all

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Speaker 5: the costumes. Like, yeah, so it's stressful.

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Speaker 1: Can I just say watching the two of you, I mean,

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Speaker 1: first of all, Heartstopper is a show to me that's

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Speaker 1: about family and forging these bonds that are just so

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Speaker 1: strong between friends and unconditionally being there for one another

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Speaker 1: through the ups and downs and everything in between. And

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Speaker 1: I feel like you have a partnership where that is

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Speaker 1: so true. And hearing how you were just speaking about

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Speaker 1: supporting Alice during these crazy tough times and how much

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Speaker 1: you need that support and receive it and want it

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Speaker 1: and trust Patrick to give that support is such a

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Speaker 1: beautiful thing to see because I really think that's one

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Speaker 1: of the many beautiful themes of the series. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I just can't stop smiling. It's just a

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Speaker 1: beautiful thing to witness in real life and with the

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Speaker 1: craziness of the world we live in. I love seeing

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Speaker 1: real moments between friends who are more like family like this,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know, I'm like getting a motion.

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Speaker 2: It's it's really beautiful. It truly is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it's so accurate, like we are a team,

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Speaker 5: us two and no matter what craziness is going on

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Speaker 5: in the production, like me and Patrick always have each

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Speaker 5: other's back, so and I feel like I would be

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Speaker 5: lost without that's.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's and it's so fun to do it

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Speaker 3: because even in the challenging moments, you're like, but we're

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Speaker 3: making a TV show we love and like, we're so

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Speaker 3: proud of all the actors performances, and getting to work

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Speaker 3: with amazing director and now exec producer on the thirties

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Speaker 3: and Eristlynn has also been a kind of real creative

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Speaker 3: partnership in that way, and now with Andy who's directed

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Speaker 3: season three, Like you do meet these people that you're

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Speaker 3: like yeah, this is great, but yeah, it's it's it's

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Speaker 3: we need that partnership, Beau. Otherwise it would just be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're lucky for it. And something tells me,

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Speaker 1: aside from work, that two of you have some fun

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Speaker 1: on your downtime. I'd like to be a fly on

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Speaker 1: that one, because I feel like you're a fun bunch too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: Before we head out, I want to give you the

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Speaker 1: mic for a moment to talk directly to the amazing

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Speaker 1: fans of heart Stopper who have been showing up and

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Speaker 1: showing out and giving support, especially for season three. What

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Speaker 1: would you like to say to them as we head out.

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Speaker 5: Well, I really attribute the success of Heartstopper to the fans,

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Speaker 5: you know, the TV show specifically, because it gave heartstupp

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Speaker 5: At that boost at the start. It had such a passionate, supportive,

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Speaker 5: excited fan base, which at the time was much much

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Speaker 5: smaller than it is now, but it gave that show

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Speaker 5: its first lift, and I really think the show wouldn't

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Speaker 5: still be around today if it wasn't for that initial

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Speaker 5: group of fans who really pushed it. And they're still here, Like,

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Speaker 5: you know, the fans are still here and they're still

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Speaker 5: so excited, and I love to read all their analysis

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Speaker 5: of tiny moments in the show that most people probably

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Speaker 5: don't pick up on, but they care about those little moments.

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Speaker 5: And we've just been to a screening in Toronto which

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Speaker 5: was with fans of the show, and I love watching

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Speaker 5: it with fans because they care about every tiny little moment.

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Speaker 5: There's like cheering and laughter and like they see all

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Speaker 5: the tiny details that we've spent so much time putting

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Speaker 5: effort into. So yeah, thank you to everyone for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I just echo that, Like the trick

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Speaker 3: is also just just doing those screenings, like watching it

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Speaker 3: with fans, making sure you don't take for granted that

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Speaker 3: love because it's so constant, and that's just like blows

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Speaker 3: my mind. You can just go on any social media

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Speaker 3: platform and find really interesting analysis of what we've done

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Speaker 3: in the show versus how it wasn't a comic for example.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's that level of noise has, as Alice said,

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Speaker 3: made the show the success it is and it's been

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Speaker 3: life changing for all of us. So yeah, we're really grateful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think we are very grateful as well

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Speaker 1: for what you put out into the world. Heartstopper Season

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Speaker 1: three is out now. Everyone's stream it. Thank you both

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Speaker 1: so much for hanging out and for sharing your magic

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Speaker 1: with me today.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I've Never Said This Before is hosted by Me, Tommy Dedario.

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Speaker 1: This podcast is executive produced by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio

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