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Speaker 1: Howdy folks, and welcome to another episode of Off the Beat.

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Speaker 1: As always, it's me. It's Brian baum Gartner as you.

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Speaker 1: Just if you don't recognize that voice, I don't know

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Speaker 1: where you've been for the last fifty years. The incredible

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Speaker 1: Richard Kind is the man you just heard from. Look,

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Speaker 1: excited to share our conversation today. Get it. No, that

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Speaker 1: how are you? What do you do last night? Okay,

425
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: let's go. Okay, the energy, the excitement of meeting somebody

426
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: new isn't there. It's let's just go to the old

427
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: nine to five. Maybe you become more intimate, maybe you

428
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: become closer friends. I don't need that. I like reading

429
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: different people, so so that's what I would like to do. Look,

430
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: you've heard people complain about it when they do the procedurals.

431
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: I used to call it when I was on Spin City,

432
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: same joke, different words. But uh I got tired. I

433
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: get tired of it. I do when now here's something

434
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: else this I have spoken about. When I was a kid,

435
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: my favorite TV shows were Batman at All in the

436
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: family You. In every interview that I would read with

437
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: Carol O'Connor or Adam West, they would say, I don't

438
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: want to just be known for being Batman. I don't

439
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: just want to know be known for playing Archie Bugger. Sorry, guys,

440
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: you are. That's who you are. I don't care that

441
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: you did in the heat of the night. I don't

442
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: care that you did any of that stuff. You are

443
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 1: Archie Bunker. You are Batman. Even at an early age,

444
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: that's scared the pants off me. I didn't want that

445
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: at all. And it's been city. They used to say, Oh,

446
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: you're gonna be the breakout character. Get yourself a PR person.

447
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: You're the breakout character. If I'm the breakout character, that's me.

448
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna be known for. So I hardly

449
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: did I every time I did PR, I was scared

450
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: that all people would know me for is uh it

451
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: was Paul Lasseter. I did not want to be Paul Laster.

452
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be a breakout character. Maybe it

453
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: gets your work or a movie or something for three

454
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: or four years, but then you're you're just that guy.

455
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 1: You just are. There are exceptions to the rule, of course.

456
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: I think my good friend George Clooney is an exception.

457
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: Became known for being Doug Ross was lucky enough to

458
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: break from that, but not many others on that show were.

459
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: It took years for Julianne to become the good wife.

460
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: It's tough. I think Julianne really had the age. All

461
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to do was just keep working and working. Now.

462
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: The good thing is I'm not a leading man, you know.

463
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: Jeff Beck just passed away, and I read he was

464
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: interviewed and they said, well, you never became the star.

465
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: You never broke out like Jimi Hendrix or Eric Clapton.

466
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: But he was voted top one of the top five guitarists.

467
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: And he, like I say, is thank god that never happened.

468
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't have to do all of that.

469
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: And I saw a clip of him playing on David

470
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: Letterman uh and playing great. He was fantastic. David Letterman

471
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: calls him over. He sits down, your great job, great job,

472
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: and as he's saying ladies and gentlemen, Jeff That gets

473
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: up and walks off and leaving Letterman hanging. And it's like,

474
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: don't know me for being Jeff Beck, know me for

475
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: being guitarist Jeff Beck, and actually Letterman being so funny.

476
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: Jeff Beck is off off into the wigs. He leaves

477
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 1: Dave hanging and Dave goes. Dave goes accepting the award

478
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: for Jeff Beck. It was hilarious. It's like, what the

479
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: way the hell are you going. I'm not saying, Look,

480
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: my ego does not want to be that, because you

481
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: and I both have huge egos. That's why we got

482
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: in the business. But don't keep me hanging there all

483
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: the time for being on this character. Yeah, keep the

484
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: applause coming, but shut up. It's it's really a dichonomy.

485
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: I love the applause. Shut up. Well. I absolutely love

486
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: your answer about guest stars because you give a refreshing

487
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: different perspective because for me, in this business, the guests

488
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: are role is the hardest. It's it's the hardest because

489
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: you show up, there's people standing there and you don't

490
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: know anybody's name, you don't know where the bathroom is,

491
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: you don't know. But I love the I love the

492
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: uncomfortableness of it. I love the learning and that you're

493
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: just new. Especially I have to admit this too, and

494
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: you get it the same way. We walk on stage

495
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: and we come with a resume and people are nice

496
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: to us. They are nice to us so we are welcomed.

497
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: Here you go. It's still uncomfortable, but they are very

498
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: nice to us, and they're excited to meet us. They're

499
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: excited to see what we do. The only you know,

500
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: the only thing we could do is fuck it up,

501
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: and we're capable of that, but we try not to.

502
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: And so let's not suck it up, and let's let's

503
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: be excited by not knowing where the bathroom is and

504
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: not knowing who these people are, how fast they work.

505
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: And only one time. I've worked for Chuck Laurie a

506
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: couple of times, but at one time, and it could

507
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: have had the taint of he was in in the

508
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: throes of the Charlie Sheen thing on Two and a

509
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: half Men. But I I don't think he liked me.

510
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: He I was introduced at the table comedy legend Richard Kind,

511
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: but he didn't like me. As days wore on and uh,

512
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: you know, and he's not the nicest man in the business,

513
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: and he sort of wore it on his sleeve. Not

514
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: that he was mean to me at all, but I

515
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: got it that first day and it didn't continue. Now

516
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: I went on to other shows of his and he

517
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: was gracious and grateful and terrific. Uh. And I knew

518
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: him personally before I knew him professionally. We played poker

519
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: and he was he was great. But you want to

520
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: the executive producers Papa that week and you want to say,

521
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: how am I doing? Am I doing this correctly? Am I?

522
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: Am I doing what you want? Are you be? Are

523
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: you happy that you hired me? That's really important to me?

524
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: And you would figure why would that be important? You

525
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: look at your career, look at all you've done. No, no, no,

526
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: no no. I still need affirmation from Daddy. Tell me

527
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm good. Tell me I'm good. And I don't want

528
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: the audience to tell me I'm good. I want you,

529
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: the writer, the creator, to tell me this is what

530
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: I wrote. I wrote a double. I think you hit

531
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: a triple. You may have even hit a home run. Yeah.

532
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: That that's what I want every time I work, That's

533
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: what I want. So that's what I do. I love that.

534
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: I love that. And how how true you are? We're

535
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 1: all looking for for Daddy's approval in one way or another.

536
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: You are You're a member of a prestigious club, one

537
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,479
Speaker 1: that at some point I hope to apply to and

538
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: get it. I wonder what you're talking about. Is this

539
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: the Excessive Masturbators Club? What are you talking about? The

540
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: Character Actors Dining Society? So you aren't talking about the

541
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: masturbatings masturbating. I gotta tell you, I am there's two

542
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: things that are very difficult. One, God, I'm gonna get

543
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: so attacked here on behalf of the whole thing. God,

544
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: I don't know whether I should I should mention. First

545
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: of all, it's limited. We started it with a certain

546
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: number of people to get other people in a restaurant

547
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: can only handle that many. You want to be able

548
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: to talk to everybody at a meal, we've already got.

549
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: The table is already too large. It's too large. It

550
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: is truly the Character Actors Dining Society. And uh, and

551
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: we're We're just a bunch of guys who like to

552
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: get together, talk about our families, talk about our wives,

553
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 1: talk about the work, talk about what influenced this, talk

554
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: the best jokes that we've heard lately, talk politics, talk everything.

555
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: And they are great group of guys. And we can't

556
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: make it much larger. We can't make it any larger.

557
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 1: And I don't know who's going to die off. Okay,

558
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: I don't know who's going to die off first, but

559
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: we'll replace them at such a time. It's a great

560
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: group of guys, and they're they're people who there are

561
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: people who I admire, people who I am jealous of,

562
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: people who when I'm in the audition I want dead.

563
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: That's who they are, you know, I, And I've known

564
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: them for a number of decades, quite a number of decades.

565
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: I knew Brian Cranston before he was guesting on Seinfeld.

566
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: We used to play golf together and then, and I'd

567
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: see him every once in a while. Now he is

568
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: considered properly one of the great actors in the history

569
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: of so BIZ. And I know him now as well

570
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: as I know him back then because the dinner because

571
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: of these and be because of these. So he happened

572
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: to have been in New York, I think about a

573
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: month or two ago. So two of the guys who

574
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: are on this thread and this dining society, great guy

575
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: named Danny Burstein, and Brian and myself went out for lunch.

576
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: He he initiated it, Brian did. We went out at

577
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: twelve thirty. I think we met at a restaurant. I

578
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: think we got out of there at four, the three

579
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: of us. It was great, it's great, it's great. And

580
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: uh and Brian, I wish right now I could say,

581
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: we'd love to have you come by. I no, no, no, no.

582
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: But there are people, there are people who who asked

583
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: and I go, we can't. I and I just got

584
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: luck of the draw. I was just there in the beginning,

585
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: you know, like number six, and uh, I'm lucky. I'm lucky. Yeah.

586
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: But you but but like like like you say, we

587
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: get to know these people, and you've got a myriad.

588
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: You've got me. You know, you mentioned all the people

589
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: who were on your show. They know you, love you

590
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: and would go out. How do you call Steve Carrell?

591
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: Although he is a character actor, but where where do

592
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: you go from the difference between character actor and star.

593
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: But as somebody said, you know, Brad Pitt is one

594
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: of the great character actors in the business today. He

595
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: really does so many different characters. But fuck him, Okay, true, true,

596
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: I always whenever I think about him, and that I

597
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: think of true romance. Always, you got true romance. How

598
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: about that thing where he was the Scottish boxer. Now

599
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 1: that's a ridiculous performance that is as good as good

600
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: as they come, that's what I think of when they

601
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: say he's a character actor. Where did he come up

602
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: with that? You know? And I had to talk about

603
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: George the other day, George Clooney on Kennedy Center Honors,

604
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: and I go, yeah, he plays the dec But halfway

605
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: through you realize this dashing, intelligent guy, that smooth talker

606
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: is very different from the other dashing smooth talkers he plays.

607
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's a variation on a theme. And

608
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: then you go to, uh, oh, brother, where art though?

609
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: And where the hell did he come up with that? So?

610
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: And how did the Cone brothers know he was gonna

611
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: could do that? That was his first movie with the brothers.

612
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: They didn't know him. I know. That's well, they're genius.

613
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about them in a second. But I

614
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: love this quote. You described character actors as the parsley

615
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: on a plate of meat and potatoes. Do you think

616
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: everybody in the society feels that way? Look, it's no,

617
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: it's me being self effacing. I should have corrected you immediately.

618
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: I said, I and the parsley on a plate of potatoes.

619
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: And that's really that's what I used to say about

620
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: man about You because I used to think Paul and

621
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: Helen were magnificent in what they had to do. And

622
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: I hated doing Man About You because I was never challenged.

623
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: And I once went up to Danny Jacobs and who

624
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: had created the show, and I said, I'm not asking

625
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: to star in the show. Give me one scene a

626
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: week where the audience can say, Jesus, I love him, Wow,

627
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: he's great. And you know what Danny's answer was, I

628
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: can't promise you that. And that's when I hated doing

629
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: Man About You. And he was right. The show was

630
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: about those two and uh, and I'm nothing. I'm helping

631
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: tell their story. I'm going to tell you an interesting

632
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: thing about Seinfeld versus Uh, curb your enthusiasm. It's really interesting,

633
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: Seinfeld are little blips of seeing that are are cobbled

634
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Speaker 1: to together to tell a story. But I don't think

635
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: you ever got more than a forty five second to

636
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: a minute and a half scene. It was a collection

637
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: of scenes that built to an end. They had to

638
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: tell the story. Everybody was really represented every single week

639
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: to tell their story, all four of them. Yes, you

640
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: were truly a device to help those four people tell

641
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: the story. And you never really got to sign. You

642
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: got to make an oppression, but you never got to

643
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: sign on Curb your enthusiasm. Again, you are a device

644
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: to tell one man's story, but you get to sign.

645
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: And that's that's the difference between Seinfeld and Curb. That's

646
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: very interesting. Never really thought about it from from a

647
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: guest perspective. But no, you're absolutely right. Yeah, I got

648
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: an ego. Of course, I'm only thinking about me. So

649
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna say now. And now I was

650
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: never on Seinfeld. I was hired for Seinfeld. This is

651
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: an interesting story. You'll like this. Did you know an

652
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: actor named Brad Mott. The name is familiar, but I can't.

653
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: I only ask you because he's very reminiscent of what

654
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: you do. He sounds like you, he looks like you.

655
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: I went to college with him his most famous role,

656
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: and he was not a very big actor. I think

657
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: he ended up teaching for the rest of his life.

658
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: He was. He sat next to William Hurt in the

659
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: movie The Accidental Tourist. If you remember that, he goes, hey,

660
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: you're the Accidental Tourist. I remember it also because I

661
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: read the book. Anyway, that's his most famous role. Great

662
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: guy wonderful actor. There's an audition for Seinfeld. A guy

663
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,479
Speaker 1: is sitting next to Jerry on the airplane. He's talking

664
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: to him and something happens. Okay, I go into the audition,

665
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: and I'm very good at knowing what I'm good at

666
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: what I'm not good at, and I'll lose a job

667
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: because I'm not right for it. I don't turn down

668
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: the audition, but please don't hire me. That's what I said.

669
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: I sort of said, here I go. You know who

670
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: you should get is Brad Mott. He'd be perfect for

671
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: this role. And the audition I walk in and I say,

672
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: use Brad Matty's great. The casting director goes, we already, Uh,

673
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: he's not available. All right. You've never heard a more

674
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: bullshit answer in your life. Because Brad lives in Chicago.

675
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: Nobody knows who Brad Mott is because he's not a

676
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: working Hollywood actor. But I'm not about to say to

677
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: a casting director you're full of ship, which should have

678
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: been my response. Instead, I said, then I'm by far

679
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: the second best choice. As a joke. I do the

680
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: audition and I got the job, and I was all wrong.

681
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I sent right for the role. We

682
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: go to work on Monday and back then. I'm telling

683
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: this way too long, but it's a fun story. The

684
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: table was enormously long in the audience was a hundred

685
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: and fifty people, because everybody wanted to be there for Seinfeld.

686
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: They want to be around. There was an omelet bar,

687
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: there was bood to be had by all the event.

688
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting over here and way down at the

689
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: other end is Jerry. I'm supposed to be sitting next

690
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: to him on an airplane, so they should have put

691
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: me next to him so that we could have an

692
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: intimate conversation. Instead, I'm screaming the lines down at the

693
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: end for a role I already shouldn't be playing, and

694
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: nothing was landing. After the reading, I went up to

695
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: our director, who I knew, a guy named Tom Seronis,

696
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: and I said, I you gotta fire me. I'm not

697
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: right for this. He goes, no, No, No, you're great.

698
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: I go, Tom, I'm not right. I know I'm going

699
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: to get paid. Fire me. No, you're right. I tell

700
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: Larry that afternoon, who was somebody I didn't know? Well,

701
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: you gotta fire me. No, you're great. We do tuesday's rehearsal.

702
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 1: Do it all that afternoon we have the run through.

703
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: I said, Larry to fire me. Tom called me that

704
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: night and he fired me rightly. Larry said, we're going

705
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: to change it to be a drunk. It's gonna be so.

706
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: I said, I didn't audition for that. I'm not ready

707
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: for it. I'll tell you who replaced me. Do you

708
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: know who? Joe Mahars m a h e Er, one

709
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,959
Speaker 1: of the great character actors of all time, of all time.

710
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: Did you ever see Uh Heaven Can Wait with Warren Beatty?

711
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: He was the butler, the gray haired English butler. That's

712
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: who replaced me, the opposite of me. So I got

713
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: fired from Seinfeld, but I asked to be fired and

714
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: I never got hired again. But then I was lucky.

715
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: I got on that. What was the question, Brian, why

716
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: don't you Why do you make me tell these but

717
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: they have no point? But they have no point? I

718
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: love it. I mean, all I know is this is

719
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: that you're way way spicier than Parsley. I know that,

720
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: I know for sure, not as bland as Parsley and pointless.

721
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: You are correct, I can add, I can add to it. However,

722
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: let's face it, we're going to the to the movie.

723
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 1: We're gonna watch the TV show because of the meat

724
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: and potatoes. Don't worry. I'll make everything look nice. Potatoes

725
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 1: are white, meat is brown. I'll give you a little green.

726
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: I'll give you some color. But you're not there to

727
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: eat me. You're there to eat the meat potatoes. All right,

728
00:45:44,360 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: fair enough. I'm going to tell you something else. Yeah,

729
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna jump years ahead because what I'm

730
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: doing now. Okay, do you watch East New York or

731
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: are you aware of East? Yes? Of course I was

732
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: going to talk to you about East New York. Well,

733
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna mention that top premiere of last year. I

734
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: am at this age, with this space and my resume,

735
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: that I am playing a cop. Fantastic, There's nothing how grateful?

736
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And you know you're jealous, you want

737
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: me dead. I know I'm the luckiest guy in the world.

738
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: That show is a police drama. That show is all

739
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: about detectives trying to solve a crime. What the hell

740
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: am I doing there? I give it flavor, that is

741
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: what I do. I question still, can I be a

742
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: New York cop? Really? At my age with this body?

743
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 1: Can I and I walk and I see some two

744
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 1: and sixty pounds cop standing on the corner, New York

745
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: cop and go, yeah, I'm a New York cop. I'm

746
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: not a New I'm not a TV cop. I'm a

747
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: New York cop. You want realism, you want a little

748
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: bit of flavor, you want what New York can offer.

749
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: That's what I'm there for. But I ain't going to

750
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: solve the crimes. I'll help other people will run into

751
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: the burning building with a gun, bam bam bam. I

752
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: ain't doing that. But I lend it great flavor and humanity,

753
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: and that's what I love. Love, that's what That's what

754
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: I always want to do as well, for sure. Yeah,

755
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: it's it's what it's what I do. Um, one time

756
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: I wanted you dead. One time, one time I wanted

757
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: you dead. I have not been lucky enough to work

758
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: with who I consider to be up there as the

759
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: greatest creative filmmakers in the United States, the Corn Brothers.

760
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: A serious man. Now, I think I was a little young,

761
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: or at least that's how I justified it to myself. Yeah,

762
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: that was one time. You you mentioned that at the beginning,

763
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: like that you want these people dead, just briefly, just

764
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: for a moment. I wouldn't say dead more just like

765
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: the what is it the Gluly uh knee capping incident exactly. Yes,

766
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: that's just another way of saying, yes, I think their kneecaps. Look,

767
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: I had that back when I was understudying a Pellinore

768
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: in seventh grade and Camelot. I wanted, I wanted. I

769
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: wanted a guy dead. I would I was literally in

770
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: my head thinking before Gluley was ever there and uh

771
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: and the woman had her knees knocked out about it? Yeah, yeah,

772
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,959
Speaker 1: I wanted. Yes, That's what I'm talking about. Of course,

773
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: I don't want them dead. And I like those I

774
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: love those people. Yes, I love them, but for a

775
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: little while, let them not exist. Uh, talk to me.

776
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of that movie as well. Your

777
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: performance Stellar A serious man? How is it like working

778
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: with Can I say say something else? I wonder? And

779
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 1: I know what your last name is, and I don't

780
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: even know your religion or your background, But more often

781
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: than not, I would think that you would play the

782
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: Irish kindly uncle like you should do our wilderness? Have

783
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: you ever done our wilderness? Oh? My god, how wonderful.

784
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: You're larger than life you're you're who we You're who

785
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: we want to be with, and that's that's uh, that

786
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: is your your essence. Now, my essence is usually happy

787
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: and everything. And I was sort of lovable, but this

788
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: was a darkly troubled guy, which is a fun thing

789
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: to play, and of course you could play it. But

790
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: initially somebody who was up for the role, and we've

791
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: talked about it was Pat Oswell and could he have

792
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: done it? I just think it would be very different.

793
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: I think that what I bring is a little bit

794
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: of the same lovable characteristics that you would, but deeply sad,

795
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: this lonely guy who goes to what was the what

796
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: was the bar that he went to for the young boys?

797
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: But could that guy be capable of it? Of course?

798
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: And that's what's so great about all of these horrible

799
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,479
Speaker 1: serial killer dramas that they look like the Scout leader

800
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: next door. Uh. In anyway, let's let's talk about about

801
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: the Cohen brothers. I have so many things about the

802
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: Cohen brothers to say, Number one, they are as brilliant

803
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: as you think, and it is not haphazard. I once

804
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: said that I think that like Hidscock the movie, they

805
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: know what the movie looks like before they ever step

806
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: on set. So that's that's one thing they do. Let

807
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: the actors go. When I auditioned for it, I'll tell you.

808
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you where I us. I was doing Damn Yankees.

809
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: I was doing. I was doing Damn Yankees in El Paso,

810
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: Texas at a theater. And you don't say no. You

811
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: don't say no to anything tonight. I've always I always

812
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: wanted to play apple Gate. We had two or three

813
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: week run, go and rehearse for a week and a half,

814
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: two weeks go do the play. I wanted to do it.

815
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: So I'm doing Damn Yankees in El Paso and they

816
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: want me to audition for the thing, but I can't

817
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: come in because I'm in El Paso, so they have

818
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: me tape it. And the direction from Joel was, you

819
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 1: can't be too big when you cry. You're crying, it's beaute.

820
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: And he told me the story of Bill Macy doing Fargo,

821
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: and there's that scene where we all know where he's

822
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: so fresh rated and things aren't going his way. He

823
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: just bangs on the roof of the car. I got

824
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: like that, and Bill Macy said, they're gonna laugh at

825
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: me in New York and they're gonna laugh at me

826
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: in Chicago making a choice like that, acting like that.

827
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 1: Joel said, no, no, no, do it. It's what everybody remembers.

828
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: He was huge. Who bangs on a call like that?

829
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: But he did out of frust races. So they said,

830
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: you can't be too big. So I had to do

831
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: that tough, tough crying scene by the pool, and I

832
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: was not too big, and so I got I then

833
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: come in. I'm gonna go back in time. I get

834
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: called in to meet them to read for two movies.

835
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: One is burn after reading A Lawyer has two speeches

836
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: and they're huge. I worked and worked and worked on that.

837
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: The other was the Lawyer in Serious Man. How hardly

838
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: worked on it and it's it's nothing. I didn't care

839
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: about it. I wanted to be in the movie with

840
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: George and Brad Pitt and Fran and uh and do that.

841
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: I didn't get the loyal role, I mean the the

842
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: this lawyer and Burne. After reading with the monologues, I

843
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: didn't get. It killed me. They don't want me for

844
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: the Lawyer and in Serious Man, so I read for

845
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: the Rabbi. They say, we want you to look at

846
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: the character of the lead, the Michael Stoulberg part. I said,

847
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: you know what, you're the Cone brothers. Why would I

848
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: want to do a cold reading. Let me go home

849
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: and study it and then I'll come back for You're

850
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: not doing this for a long while, right, Yeah. Sure.

851
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: They never called me back, so I gave up the

852
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: lead by not auditioning, by not doing cold reading. However,

853
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: then it was summertime and they asked me to do

854
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: the I think they had finished doing Burne after reading,

855
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: and George, who was on the set at the time

856
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: and who was my good friend, said no, no, no,

857
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: the boys really want to They always put it like this,

858
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: the boys really like you. The boys want to use you.

859
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: The boys really like you. That's when during the summer

860
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 1: I put myself on tape for cousin Arthur or uncle Arthur,

861
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: and that's when I did. I did the thing. But

862
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: I had auditioned, you know, from December through till June.

863
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: So well, congratulations on that. I do want to bring

864
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,760
Speaker 1: up you brought up George a couple of times. You

865
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: you know, you talked about meeting people and a variety

866
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: of people on projects and how much you love that

867
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: you guys ended up becoming roommates, and well, yes, we

868
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: were roommates. We were roommates because it was an Oscar

869
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: and Felix thing he he had. He had split with

870
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: his wife and so he stayed with me for a

871
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: while before he uh got his other place. And then

872
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: I used to stay at his house. So was I

873
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: a roommate? No, I was a guest at his house.

874
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: But I would never call us roommates. Wouldn't say no.

875
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: But but we did stay together because of circumstances. Do

876
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: you and he do you all talk about work and

877
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: what interests you and potentially people or projects that that

878
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 1: he has steered you or you have steered him into.

879
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: Never once have I steered him into anything, given advice.

880
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: I used to be astounded at some things. There was

881
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: a role, I mean, he's so smart. There was a role.

882
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: He He wasn't a big it wasn't a star then,

883
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: but he was getting offers and big things. He was

884
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: offered a role on a script that he really liked.

885
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: We would talk about I really loved the script, that

886
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: really and you'd be surprised by it. And then they

887
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: rewrote it and he looks at it and he goes

888
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: this this, they rewrote it severally, called the producers or

889
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: called the director. He said, this is not it's not good.

890
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: But we got to go back to the other one.

891
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: They do well, We're not going to He ended up

892
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 1: not doing the movie. It was a big budget movie

893
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 1: and it did not do well. Number one, another big

894
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: star are got the role. He walked away and it

895
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: was probably a million dollars maybe more. It was a

896
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: big movie. It bombed, It bombed. That still stays with

897
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: me that he is so astute, and he always says,

898
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 1: you know these movies that they haven't finished the script,

899
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: but there's already a coming attraction in the theater. No, no, no,

900
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: you go into a movie when the script is finished,

901
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: you know how it ends. Now you can't tell that

902
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 1: the Humphrey Bogarten and Ingrid Bergman because they kept rewriting

903
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: Casa Blanca. But I understand that. On the flip side,

904
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: for myself, he is always so intuitive and has great

905
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:46,240
Speaker 1: opinions and can give great advice. And there are times

906
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: when I don't take it and he gets furious of me.

907
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: He's truly angry. I'll tell you he's angry at me.

908
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: Then I go I I did it, but we don't

909
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: talk about work that much at all, No, hardly, hardly,

910
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: hardly talk about work at all. Plus season, especially now

911
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: he's in a sphere of things that you know, it

912
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: would be like asking, uh, some little soldier who's out

913
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: in the field, what what we should do in the Ukraine.

914
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: It's it's it's just the heads and tails above my sphere. Well,

915
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating that you both are such good friends.

916
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: The idea that you, you know, what you just said

917
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: that he had the ability to turn down something that

918
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: was a million dollars or whatever, and again you you

919
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: say yes to everything. And what's fascinating to me about

920
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: that is not I mean, you know, of people have

921
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: different choice or whatever, but that that for you, it

922
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: feels to me like that you say yes to life

923
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: basically absolutely I'm going to is something that's really interesting.

924
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: This really really interesting. And it happened last night. I

925
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: didn't get to see the Barbara Walters special that they

926
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: did where they celebrated her life and she asks the

927
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: celebrity a lot of them, what is your philosophy of

928
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: life or what is something like that? In my head,

929
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, what if I was interviewed by what is

930
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: my Philansphy? I want what we were talking about. I

931
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: want new experiences of everything, travel, food, my glib thing

932
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: about a date. If you are at a restaurant, your

933
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: favorite meal is on the menu, or the house specialty

934
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: is on the menu, what do you order? I I

935
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: will ask about the house specialty, and if I believe

936
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: from the person who is serving me that it's really something,

937
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: I will order that for sure. I am close to you.

938
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: There's not a prayer. I'm not ordering the house specialty.

939
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: I don't care if they say it's the steps throw up.

940
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm ordering the house specialty. That's what I do. I'll

941
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: never have that again. Where will I be You say

942
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: it's the specialty, okay, unless it's like the fish of

943
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: the day, because oh we had we ordered too much that.

944
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: But if they if I'm told that this Polish restaurant

945
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: has duck and and it's the best thing ever, and

946
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: I'm not really much for duck, I'll order the duck.

947
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: That's how I lived my life. I want the new experience.

948
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: That's what I want. Out of two hours of Barbara Walters.

949
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: They haven't shown George. He's the one who they that's

950
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: what he answers. Seconds from when I answer in my head,

951
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: George goes, I'm afraid I'm going to miss out on something.

952
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm afraid I'm gonna miss out on this experience. Then

953
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: I'll die without having done that, and the same answer, Yeah,

954
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: I was the same answer, a little different words. I

955
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: think I just want to experience everything. But you're right,

956
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: that's what life is. I tell my kids that, and

957
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: when they don't listen, I want to grab them by

958
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: the lapels and say, no, do this. I invited my

959
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: children to the Kennedy Center Ronners. I can't force them

960
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: to go, and I wasn't going to It's the fucking

961
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: Kennedy Center Honors. Chances are if you don't go with me,

962
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: you're never going to the Kennedy Center Honors. You're not

963
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: gonna meet Gladys Nate, you're not going to meet the

964
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: President of the United States. There's a chance, a real

965
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: good chance, you're gonna meet all of them if you

966
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: go with me. They said no, I'm okay with that

967
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. I understand they don't want to be

968
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: in that, they're young doing that, but that that that's

969
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: what I want. That that's my philosophy and I do

970
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: embrace life. That's I want it all and I am

971
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: of oma was fear of missing out, fear of missing out. Yeah,

972
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: it takes it takes me forever to you know, to

973
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: get to a party, but to leave all close the

974
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: place up. You and I are alike in that way,

975
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: and I will I will tell you this one. I've

976
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: always respected your work. I respect you even more now

977
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: and too out of this conversation. I will never ever

978
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: forget the dream that you told me because it's so aspirational,

979
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: which would be if they had the money to do

980
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: a guest star part every single week, to be your

981
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: own repertory company. I think that is I think that

982
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: is so fucking cool. I think that well, I have

983
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: a question because I so love your work. Uh, how

984
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: often do you get to do place? Not? Not not

985
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: so much anymore, but you know, you know what's so

986
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: funny about that? And who knows, maybe this conversation will

987
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: make me do I have been talking about it like

988
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: a lot the less months, and I'm not talking about

989
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: a long run. I'm talking about going to Seattle and

990
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: doing it for three weeks or finding out a gunquet

991
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: is doing. Uh, you know there's one play out in

992
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: a Gunkuet, Maine. Because the thing about TV, which it

993
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: gets scary, is that you walk on set and your

994
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: goal is to get through the day, is to do

995
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: I know all my lives? Not even do I know

996
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: my character? Do do I do? I gotta get all

997
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: the words out. That's no way to act, you know.

998
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: The way to act is going and really parts a place,

999
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: be getting deep. Yeah, that's what it is. So anyway, Richard,

1000
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on here. You have

1001
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: one made me laugh and two inspired me. So thank you,

1002
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: thank you. But I really hope is that I like

1003
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: I talk like this, that I'm not pompous. I can't

1004
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: stand it. Wait if I listen back and I go,

1005
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: why do you even talking? No? No, it's awesome, it's awesome.

1006
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, thank you, thank you, Richard. Thank

1007
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: you so much for stopping by for a little chat.

1008
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to see you on a golf course very

1009
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: very soon. Look, I think it's safe to say, not

1010
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: just me, but all of us are mad about you. Yeah.

1011
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: That wasn't good either. To all of you out there listening.

1012
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in. Next week. We have got

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Speaker 1: a pretty pretty exciting guest coming your way, who I

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01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: will give you absolutely no hints about, because well, I

1015
01:03:53,880 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: value the power of surprise. We'll see you then. Off

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