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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Bah yeah, this is my wish addition as Dave Lapham

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Speaker 2: joins me to preview the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: Should the Bengals take one of the top two tight

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Speaker 1: ends Michael Mayer or Dalton Kincaid if available? What if

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Speaker 1: running back b Jon Robinson is still there? Does lap

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Speaker 1: like mammoth Ohio State offensive lineman to Jan Jones. We'll

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Speaker 1: discuss those topics and many more, and end our conversation

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Speaker 1: with our predictions for who the Bengals will select in

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Speaker 1: the first round on Thursday night. The Bengals Booth Podcast

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Speaker 1: very inexpensive. Now let's get to football. A couple of

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Speaker 1: days ago, I went back and looked at fifteen final

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Speaker 1: mock drafts prior to last year's festivities. I chose the

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Speaker 1: most prominent NFL draft experts, guys like Mel Kiper, Todd McShay,

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Speaker 1: and Dane Brugler, plus a few of the reporters who

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Speaker 1: cover the Bengals. Do you know how many of those

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Speaker 1: fifteen mock drafts had the Bengals taking Dax Hill one.

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Speaker 1: Chris Collinsworth nailed it for Pro Football Focus. Dax wasn't

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Speaker 1: even mentioned as a possibility on most of the other

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Speaker 1: mock drafts, and in the interest of full disclosure, I

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Speaker 1: didn't get it right either. I predicted that the Bengals

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Speaker 1: would select Clemson cornerback Andrew Booth, who went eleven picks

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Speaker 1: later to the Minnesota Vikings. My broadcast partner Dave Lapham

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Speaker 1: didn't nail it last year either, but his track record

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Speaker 1: for forecasting the Bengals first round pick is borderline legendary.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons why this edition of this

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Speaker 1: podcast is always one of the most downloaded episodes of

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Speaker 1: the year. So, without further ado, here's my in depth

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Speaker 1: pre draft conversation with lap Lap. Let's start big picture.

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Speaker 1: What are your overall thoughts on this year's draft class.

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Speaker 1: Where is it strong? Where is it weak?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think this year's draft classes is a very

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Speaker 3: few blue chippers. You know, there's maybe a handful or

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Speaker 3: less of guys. It's like, man, this is a definite

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Speaker 3: upper echelon first round pick. It's a good middle class draft.

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Speaker 3: But the Bengals at number twenty eight. I mean, they're

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Speaker 3: the thing that strikes me most about this draft. I think, uh,

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Speaker 3: their solid defensive line and cornerback depth, which I think

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Speaker 3: they went megabucks in the offensive line this off season.

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Speaker 3: offensive football team is a wide receiver centric offense. You know,

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Speaker 3: those deep coverages and Joe's checking down to backs. Tight

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Speaker 3: Ends are important, but it's in the way the structure

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Speaker 3: you take a wide receiver in the first round, No,

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Speaker 3: you're going to be able to keep all three wide

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Speaker 3: Now you can have roles. And Duke Tobin mentioned it,

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Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be a starting role though, and

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Speaker 3: what does it do to the wide receiver position, What

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Speaker 1: You touched down about twenty things in there that I

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Speaker 1: wanted to bring up. So we're going to double back

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Speaker 3: definitely a Day three thing. But that running back has

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Speaker 1: talking running back. Bjeon Robinson from Texas is universally considered,

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Speaker 1: I guess, the number one running back in this draft.

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Speaker 3: figure he's on their big board. You know the big

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Speaker 3: on fifty three hundred players, whatever, doesn't matter the position.

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Speaker 3: never based on need. You don't want to reach based

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Speaker 3: Everybody doesn't run the same things, so everybody looks at

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Speaker 3: He's got to be up there. I mean, the guy.

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Speaker 3: The guy is an unusual talent. But if a guy

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Speaker 3: could you could move back based on that or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I will answer my own question on B John Robinson. Hell, yes,

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Speaker 1: I think he's different. Yeah, in your era, he might

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Speaker 1: you're going to have to make hard decisions when it

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Speaker 1: comes to what positions you prioritize in terms of salary.

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Speaker 1: You can get a talent like that on a rookie

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Speaker 1: easier or different. I would sign up for Bjon Robinson.

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Speaker 3: And the thing about him, he runs good routes. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know you can. You can formation him. You can

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Speaker 1: All right, you spoke about the tight ends earlier. The

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Speaker 3: To these quarterbacks, you have to not only protect them,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network says this is the

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Speaker 1: Based on most of the mocks I've looked at, he's

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Speaker 3: This is the sweet spot for Laporter? But this guy

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt he forced the most mistackles of any

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Speaker 1: If he's gone, or if they choose somebody else in

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Speaker 1: Tucker Craft from South Dakota State, that's my If Laporta

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Speaker 1: Last year the Bengals drafted Dax Hill knowing that Jesse

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Speaker 3: one of those top three receiver possessed positions the following season.

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Speaker 3: I think I'd probably fall in line with that.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about trading back starting with the first round.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals have not traded out of the first round

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Speaker 1: or have gone without a first round pick in thirty

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Speaker 1: four years. The last time they did that was nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty nine. They went back eight spots, they got an

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Speaker 1: extra fourth round pick, they got an extra tenth round pick.

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Speaker 1: The draft was longer back then, those extra picks didn't

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Speaker 1: pan out, so it really didn't work out that well.

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Speaker 1: But according to the draft chart, the twenty eighth pick

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Speaker 1: in the draft is worth six hundred and sixty points.

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Speaker 1: If you move back into the second round, you're probably

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Speaker 1: looking at a fourth round pick, maybe a late third

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Speaker 1: for moving back.

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Speaker 3: Would you do it with this draft potentially? Because you know,

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Speaker 3: if I'm thinking, all right, twenty eight, I'm real comfortable

447
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Speaker 3: with the depending on how far back you're moving, you know,

448
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Speaker 3: if I'm comfortable there's still a four or five guy,

449
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Speaker 3: because like we said earlier, there's multiple players at multiple

450
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Speaker 3: positions that there's not a major drop off, you know,

451
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Speaker 3: like falling off a cliff. So at twenty eight, somebody

452
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Speaker 3: is you know, really excited about whatever player it might be,

453
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Speaker 3: and they'll give you that extra third or extra fourth

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Speaker 3: round pick, And you say, if I move back to

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Speaker 3: that spot and then still get an additional third and fourth,

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Speaker 3: I can still get this player even if they make

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Speaker 3: a run on the others. There's the numbers. Tell me

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Speaker 3: one of them is going to be available, and I'm

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Speaker 3: good with all four of these guys, and one of

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Speaker 3: them is still available, and I get an extra third

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Speaker 3: or fourth round pick in this middle class draft where

462
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Speaker 3: you're still going to be able to get additional players,

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Speaker 3: you think about it. I would think about it unless

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Speaker 3: somebody has fallen where the reason that team's calling, you know,

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Speaker 3: to trade up is because man, they're going same guy.

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Speaker 3: We're tired this same guy. So it's like, I'll sit

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Speaker 3: and take that, thank you. You know, I'll stay there.

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Speaker 3: But I guess with the circumstances that have gone on

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Speaker 3: in the draft, I'm sure you know you've got to

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Speaker 3: consider everything on that particular day, and all the variables

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Speaker 3: that we just discussed are important factors. There's no question.

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Speaker 3: But I'd think about it. I'd think about it. But

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Speaker 3: it does. It takes two to tango, and very rarely

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Speaker 3: his history has shown do both parties concur one percent

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Speaker 3: and every single variable involved.

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Speaker 1: So how does Lapp feel about gigantic Ohio State offensive

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Speaker 1: lineman Dewan Jones. That's coming up next, But first, a

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna hit you with a name that

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Speaker 1: has come up a lot where Cincinnati is concerned in

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Speaker 1: the first round or in some cases even the second round.

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Speaker 1: And that is gargantuan Ohio State offensive tackle Dewan Jones

487
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Speaker 1: six ' eight, three hundred and seventy four pounds, thirty

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Speaker 1: six and three eight inch arms, eleven and five eight

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Speaker 1: inch hands. He is a mast to don I had

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Speaker 1: Charles Davis from CBS on the podcast a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: He said, buyer beware. He didn't do anything after the

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Speaker 1: first day of the Senior Bowl, although he had a

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Speaker 1: good first day, chose not to get weighed at his

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Speaker 1: pro day. There's a real question mark about the weight.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about Dewan Jones.

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Speaker 3: He's four hundred pounds waiting to happen. I think that's

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Speaker 3: the big concern with him. I mean, he is a

498
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Speaker 3: massive man, and you know, when you're talking about guys

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Speaker 3: of that size, it's hard. I mean, if if they

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Speaker 3: ate a blowny sandwich they gained five pounds, it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: I mean it really is. It's nuts how their metabolism

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Speaker 3: seemed to work. I mean, he is a behemoth. There's

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Speaker 3: no no two ways about it. Not not terrible movement.

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00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: I mean he ran a five to three I think

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Speaker 3: something like that at the at the combine. He he did.

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Speaker 3: It's not like he's a big stiff, but he's not

507
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Speaker 3: a big change of direction guy. And uh man, that

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Speaker 3: did you talk about a massive humanity? If you've got

509
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Speaker 3: Orlando Brown at left tackle and that beast at right tackle,

510
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Speaker 3: I mean, you've got skyscrapers. It's it's unbelievable. I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure Joe could see over them to throw. It's like

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Speaker 3: it'd be it'd be like another Cincinnati skyline. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I uh, I don't. I don't see necessarily that, uh

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Speaker 3: you know, that taking place. I think there are so

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Speaker 3: many candidates at that at that right tackle position. I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying they're not gonna draft one, and I think

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Speaker 3: they will. I think they will draft, and I think

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Speaker 3: they'll probably bring one in as a college free agent

519
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Speaker 3: as well, and they may also bring one in and

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Speaker 3: veteran free agency after the NFL Draft in college free

521
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Speaker 3: agent signings. With the final stage of veteran free agency

522
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Speaker 3: is whatever tackles out there is like geez, you know what,

523
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Speaker 3: LC doesn't look like he's maybe going to be able

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Speaker 3: to make the beginning of the season let me go

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Speaker 3: in there and compete for that right tackle position. And

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Speaker 3: so you don't know one thing about the tight end position.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to say though, too, dan is signing Ersmith

528
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Speaker 3: Junior and Drew Sample was big. I mean both second

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Speaker 3: round picks. Bengals drafted Sample in the second round. Earth

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Speaker 3: Smith was drafted the second round himself. He's only twenty

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Speaker 3: four years old. I mean he came out when he's

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Speaker 3: twenty years old. This guy. There are quarterbacks in the

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Speaker 3: NFL drafted that are twenty five years old and they're

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Speaker 3: coming into the draft. Earth Smith Junior has a lot

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Speaker 3: of football left and he's I think he's going to

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Speaker 3: be pretty good. And you know, James Casey made CJZAML

537
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Speaker 3: lot of money, you know, and then in comes another

538
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Speaker 3: prove it deal. Proves it now Carolina Panthers. He makes

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Speaker 3: a ton of money. So I'm sure earth Smith Junior

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Speaker 3: and his agent were like, man, you got a good

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Speaker 3: coach at the tight end position in Cincinnati, get a

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Speaker 3: hell of a quarterback. You know. Again, it's not a

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Speaker 3: tight end centric offense, but you're going to get some

544
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Speaker 3: opportunity to prove yourself. And the big thing about him

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Speaker 3: is Will he stay healthy, that's the thing. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean back to big old Dwan, I'd be surprised

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Speaker 3: if he's a Bengal.

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Speaker 1: I would The name Anton Harrison comes up on quite

549
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Speaker 1: a few mock drafts as a potential first round Bengals

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Speaker 1: right tackle selection, and then you get into second round guys.

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Speaker 1: I've seen Matthew bergeron from Syracuse mocked to Cincinnati a

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Speaker 1: few times. Do you like any of these right tackles Potentially?

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Speaker 1: I guess Darnell right maybe could be a guy that

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Speaker 1: might slide to twenty eight. The typically isn't there, but

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Speaker 1: occasionally I've seen him there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the only way that those tackles, you know,

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Speaker 3: makes sense to me is if there's been a huge

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Speaker 3: rush on corners, edge rushers, you know, even even the

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00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: tight end position, where it's like, my gosh, I mean,

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Speaker 3: if we want to take a tight end, we've got

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Speaker 3: to take one now. I mean, there's a bigger it's

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Speaker 3: gone faster than we anticipated. I mean, they were talking

563
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Speaker 3: about ten tight ends in the first three rounds. Well, heck,

564
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Speaker 3: six of them have already gone. That's absurd. That won't

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Speaker 3: take place. But I'm talking about, you know, another position,

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Speaker 3: where there's a run with The Bengals have have guys

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Speaker 3: that they've they've got on their big board. If that

568
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Speaker 3: big board starts to disappear and one of those tackles

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Speaker 3: is still on it and a lot of other things aren't,

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Speaker 3: I could see it happening, but I don't think the

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Speaker 3: odds are great.

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Speaker 1: All Right, here's a tricky question for you. Who is

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Speaker 1: the most like Lee right tackle for the Bengals this

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Speaker 1: coming season? Is it a Jonah Williams, b L C

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Speaker 1: LEL Collins, C Jackson, Carmen d Cody Ford or E.

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Speaker 1: We're getting all the way to E A draft pick

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Speaker 1: who starts right away.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a derby. I mean it really is. LC.

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Speaker 3: He's he's ahead of schedule in terms of his rehab,

580
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Speaker 3: but being able to do some things, get in the

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Speaker 3: stance and and come out of your stance and pass

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Speaker 3: that against Aaron all those kind of things is a

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Speaker 3: far cry from playing in the National Football League. And

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Speaker 3: I think the big thing that he's going to have

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Speaker 3: to experience and get over is that first contact. You know,

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Speaker 3: when you come off the ball and you hit somebody

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Speaker 3: and it's a you know, a two hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: five to three hundred pound body, and your big body

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Speaker 3: slams into him and there's a stalemate. Now you have

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Speaker 3: to climb and dig your feet. It's going to put

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Speaker 3: a lot of strain and straight us on that joint

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Speaker 3: that hasn't even been close to being strained and stressed

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Speaker 3: like that. Or in pass protection the same way, you

594
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: have to plant. He takes an inside move, you have

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Speaker 3: to move inside, redirect yourself off of that knee, and

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Speaker 3: then plan it again and take the contact. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot, a lot that has to go on.

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Speaker 3: So Elsie, I hope that he continues ahead of schedule.

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Speaker 3: I hope he doesn't do too much too soon and

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Speaker 3: has a setback. But you know, there are a lot

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Speaker 3: of candidates at that right tackle position. The one that

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00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 3: is interesting to me is Cody Ford. You know, they

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Speaker 3: they really it's a I can't lose proposition. Bring him

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Speaker 3: in a very reasonable deal, no salary cap concerned there,

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Speaker 3: And that's what they've done Dan A lot of the

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Speaker 3: free agency they signed seven and the nine people one

607
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Speaker 3: year contracts, so they're basically structuring their football team where

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Speaker 3: they're still really flexible in terms of these big deals

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Speaker 3: that are coming. If guys make it, it's not a

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Speaker 3: huge burden on the cap. If they don't, it's no

611
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: skin off the nose from a cap standpoint. So I

612
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 3: think they've they've done things very intelligently, and not only

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Speaker 3: the players that they've accumulated, but how they're paying them.

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Speaker 3: You know, multi year deals went to Orlando Brown, obviously

615
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Speaker 3: into Pratt at linebacker, but just about everybody else is

616
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: a one year contract. So uh, it's it's gonna be.

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Speaker 3: It'll be an intense battle at that at that right

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Speaker 3: tackle position. The big, the big thing in my mind

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Speaker 3: is well Jonah Williams get over the bitterness or betrayal,

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Speaker 3: whatever he feels and decide, you know what, I'm gonna

621
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Speaker 3: go out there. I'm going to compete. I'm going to

622
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Speaker 3: try to be as good a right tackle as I

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Speaker 3: can be, and I'm going to go win this job.

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Speaker 3: And I mean to me, if you if you proved

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00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 3: you can play both tackles, I think it enhances your value.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I really do. Orlando Brown to a right tackle,

627
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 3: two Pro Bowls at left tackle, He's proven he can

628
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: play both positions. Why not prove you can play, you know,

629
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Speaker 3: right tackle as well as left tackle and it's a

630
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Speaker 3: good football team. You don't you know, it's like trade me,

631
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Speaker 3: you don't know where you're gonna go. But I guess

632
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: you will be playing that left tackle position if the

633
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: team trades for you. But what if the team absolutely

634
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 3: sucks and you know, it doesn't matter how well you

635
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 3: play the left tackle position. You know it's it's not

636
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: going to look as good you playing that left tackle

637
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 3: position is if you're on a good football team. So

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Speaker 3: I hope he gets over it and decides to compete

639
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 3: and go out and goes out and plays football and

640
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,479
Speaker 3: gives them another option at the right tackle position. But boy,

641
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: they do have a lot of depth in that offensive line.

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00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: There's no question about it. I mean that right tackle position.

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00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 3: It's not like there's a bunch of you know, Tom

644
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Speaker 3: Dick and Harry and Joe Schmoe's out there. You know,

645
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Speaker 3: they get some guys that that do have some NFL

646
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: resumes to him. And I mean came out with early

647
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 3: in the draft. I mean, Jonah's a first round pick

648
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: for his second round pick. You know there's there's there's

649
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 3: guys out there. Jackson Carmen second round pick, high second

650
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: round pick, he'll be competing out there as well. It's

651
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: it's not like it's it's void of potential talent.

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Speaker 1: I assume if Jonah Williams is still on the roster,

653
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: he will be the right tackle. That would be my guess.

654
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: And he's got twelve million million reasons to show up

655
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: and compete.

656
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the reason that he'll be the start

657
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 3: if he's If he's not the starting right tackle, I

658
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 3: don't think he'll be on the roster because of that

659
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: twelve million dollars, or if he is on the roster,

660
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 3: won't be for twelve million dollars. So yeah, it's it's

661
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: going to be interesting how all that unfolds.

662
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: Last year, I believe the Dax Hill was number eleven

663
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: on the Bengals board when they lined him up one

664
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Speaker 1: through thirty one and they got him with a thirty

665
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: first pick. They were stunned he was still there. If

666
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Speaker 1: you go back and look at the final mock drafts

667
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: before last year's Drafty Linderbaum was the most frequently mentioned

668
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: player going to the Bengals. He was actually gone before

669
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: they had the chance to pick him. He went twenty

670
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: fifth to Baltimore Andrew Booth commonly mocked to the Bengals.

671
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: That was my mock draft selection. Last year he was

672
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: still there. He wound up going forty second in the draft.

673
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: I know you were big on George Catis, Carl Loftis.

674
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: He went one pick before the Bengals at number thirty.

675
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: Logan Hall was a guy whose name kept coming up.

676
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: He went a few picks later at number thirty three.

677
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: So this is my long preamble to this question. Is

678
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: there like a dream guy that you don't think is

679
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: going to be there, but if he somehow slid to

680
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: twenty eighth, you would be doing cartwheels if you could

681
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: still do a cartwheel in the Bengals press room. Could

682
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: you ever do a cart.

683
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: We never did a cartwheel, never did a cartwheel. Yeah,

684
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: there's I mean, I think there's a good group of

685
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 3: guys that if any of them slid to twenty eight.

686
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: You know, honestly, I would not be shocked if almost

687
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: any guy's there, because, like we're saying at the beginning

688
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 3: of our visit here, it's like there's maybe four or

689
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: five guys that you can't even predict the order in

690
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: which they'll go on the top four. You know, usually

691
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 3: every year you can even get down to the first

692
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: eight picks of the draft, it seems like not this

693
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: year whatsoever. So I mean, there's there's a bunch of

694
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: guys that could that could be there at twenty eight

695
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 3: that you might not think would be there at twenty

696
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 3: eight honestly, and guys that you think are there at

697
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: twenty eight they might go a hell of a lot

698
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 3: sooner than that too, because, like I say, everybody's board

699
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 3: is very, very different based on what they do schematically,

700
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 3: how they do it from a personnel standpoint. So it's

701
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 3: it's going to be this draft, honestly, they say the

702
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 3: drafts of crap. Shoot. It is the biggest crap shoot

703
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 3: I've ever I've witnessed in a long long time.

704
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: There's a mun't emphasize crap, did you.

705
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: There's a lot of crap in that shoot. It's like

706
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: you just if you think, oh, yeah, I've got this

707
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 3: figured out, it could be it could be a very

708
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: interesting three days for you, that's for sure.

709
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Elijah Knsey, the pit defensive tackle.

710
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: He gets compared to Aaron Donald because he's short and

711
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: super quick, but unlike Aaron Donald, he has the tiniest

712
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: arms of anybody who's been projected to go in the

713
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: first round at his position less than thirty one inches.

714
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean a guy like that. I mean, you know,

715
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 3: think Gino Adkins a little bit too, you know, undersized,

716
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 3: but Gino was just vertically challenged. Gino had. You know,

717
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 3: this kid's two eighty as well. It's not like he's

718
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 3: not put together, and he's got an unbelievable dramatic initial burst.

719
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 3: I mean, his first step quickness is incredible. But man,

720
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: with thirty one inch arms, you can get engulfed, you know,

721
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 3: you really can. If he doesn't beat you with that

722
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 3: first step quickness, he's going to get covered up and

723
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 3: covered up quickly potentially. So I mean, I think that

724
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: if you if he goes to the right defense with

725
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: the right coordinator who has a he wants his three

726
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 3: technique to do nothing but penetrate, disrupt, and create havoc.

727
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that that's exactly what the Bengals are

728
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 3: looking for in their defensive schematic. It's it's it's more,

729
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 3: you know, it's not just a guy penetrating and trying

730
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: to disrupt every single snap, and that would be you know,

731
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: like like Aaron Donald Aaron Donald has free reign with

732
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: the Rams whenever whatever he wants to do, and if

733
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: he decides he wants to try to bust it up

734
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: and create havoc, go for it. Mike Reid, back in

735
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: my early years with the Cincinnati Bengals, Mike Read out

736
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: of Penn State was that kind of a guy, a

737
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 3: disruptive guy, and they would allow him to go ahead

738
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 3: and use that you know, unbelievable first step quickness you

739
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 3: have and cause problems and invert the offensive line. So

740
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: I don't see that one happening. I think that would

741
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: be more of a long shot.

742
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Speaker 1: My dream slides. Don't think they're going to be there,

743
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 1: But if they were, I'd be really excited. I mentioned

744
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: b Jon Robinson earlier. I just think that would be fun,

745
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, to have a running back like that. I

746
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: will say, Dalton Kincaid, and I know what you're saying

747
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 1: about tight end. This isn't a tight end heavy offense.

748
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: It's three receivers. Those are the guys they are going

749
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: to throw two most of the time. But Tyler Boyd

750
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: final year of his deal, probably not back next year.

751
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: I'm guessing, I don't know, maybe he is, Maybe takes

752
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: a you know, a short term, less expensive deal than

753
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: he is. I'd love that because I love him. Yeah,

754
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: but I just see Dalton and k being really a

755
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: potential game changer. He had sixteen catches for two hundred

756
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: and thirty four yards in one game against USC and

757
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: looked like Travis Kelcey in that game eight catches of

758
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: twenty five plus yards last year. So I'm that that

759
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: would be a guy that if he's there, even despite

760
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: the things you were saying about the position value in Cincinnati,

761
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: I'd be excited about Dalton Kin Kate.

762
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Speaker 3: Well, he's almost like you know, when you talk about

763
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: Kelsey and tight ends like that, they're basically hybrid. You know,

764
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Speaker 3: they're almost more of a receiver than they are a

765
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 3: tight end. I mean they're not They're not asked to

766
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: line up at the end of the line of sperimens,

767
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: put their hand in the dirt and block defensive ends

768
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: and outside linebackers, and you know you got to be

769
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 3: able to, you know, get after these guys and show

770
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 3: some physicality. Kim Kaid is an outstanding route runner, outstanding hands.

771
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: I mean he is more of a you know you

772
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 3: if I had him, i'd flex him a ton, he

773
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: would be almost like a slot receiver for me. So

774
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 3: I could see that. I could definitely see that that one,

775
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: that one, if that were to occur, I could I

776
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: could see him, you know, fitting the Bengals scheme offensively

777
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 3: in a in a way that is not traditional tight

778
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 3: end role with an offense. I could see that definitely.

779
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: I saw one evaluator put it this way. He's the

780
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: best tight end in the draft and the second best

781
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: wide receiver in.

782
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 3: The draft right right and blocking. It's not that he's

783
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 3: not willing. He's willing, but needs a lot of work.

784
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: Our predictions for the Bengals first round pick are just

785
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: a few minutes away. And here's a reminder that the

786
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Speaker 1: paycorp dot com. Let's get to the two positions that

790
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: you mentioned right off the top as the positions that

791
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: you're prioritizing if it's up to you, cornerback and edge rusher.

792
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 1: Who are some of the guys you like at those

793
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: two positions?

794
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 3: Well, let me give you, let me give you a

795
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: guy at each one that would I would probably, I'd

796
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: probably we take at twenty eight. These are kind of

797
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 3: my two my two bit picks if they're there, And

798
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 3: as we've already talked about at nauseum, you just don't know.

799
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 3: But I've seen this guy go in the teens and

800
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: I've seen him be there at twenty eight.

801
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Forbes, the cornerback from Mississippi State.

802
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 3: Cornerback from Mississippi State, yep. Six feet They say he

803
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: was one hundred and sixty six pounds at the combine.

804
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 3: All I can say is the dude was involved in

805
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: probably one hundred and thirty five hundred and forty tackles

806
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 3: at Mississippi State and never get hurt. I mean, durability

807
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: was a was a plus for him. And it's not

808
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: like he was avoiding contact. I mean, he's he's almost

809
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 3: got a He's got a seventy nine inch wingspan, eight

810
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: and a half inch hands. That's good size hands for

811
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 3: a guy at six feet tall. Runs of four to

812
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: three six thirty two and a quarter sleeve on him,

813
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 3: you know arm length. He's got elite ball skills. He's

814
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: got unbelievable instincts in anticipation. He had six interceptions and

815
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 3: three touchdowns last year, thirteen interceptions, six touchdowns on his career.

816
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: There when he was in high school, he had fourteen

817
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: interceptions returned seven for touchdowns. So here's a guy that

818
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 3: understands route combinations. He's real sudden when he sticks his

819
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: foot in the ground and he drives on the football.

820
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 3: I think he has as good a burst as I've seen.

821
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 3: When the ball is in the air, he's tremendous. Actually

822
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: had eight interceptions, three or more picks his senior year.

823
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: Led the nation in ball production his senior and we're

824
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 3: talking about the SEC West, which is the most physical

825
00:44:54,200 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 3: conference in the best conference in college football. I think,

826
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 3: you know, people might say, ah, boys, he takes some chances,

827
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 3: he takes some risks that he might pay for that

828
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: in the National Football League. I don't know. I mean,

829
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 3: I think a guy like him, he just he just understands,

830
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 3: he sees things, he sees things before it happens. If

831
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: I'm a coach, I don't pull the reins in on

832
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: this guy. I let him play. I let him do

833
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 3: what he's done. And uh, he's very willing to run support.

834
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Speaker 3: I've seen him get up the football field and take

835
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 3: the you know, take the players out low, take him,

836
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: take him on high. He plays man coverage with real

837
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: good eyed discipline. He's always looking to make a play,

838
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, it'll be interesting if everything that

839
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: he does translates in the National Football League. But I

840
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: think he's extremely talented, and honestly, you look at a

841
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: guy he throws. He threw a ninety five mile in

842
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: our fastball as a baseball player, too, ninety five mile

843
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 3: in our fastball. So I mean, here's here's a guy

844
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: that's got skills that translate into other sports. And I

845
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 3: like multi sport athletes like that. I just think that

846
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 3: if he comes here, the nutritionists and the strength coaches

847
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 3: get him up to one hundred and eighty pounds, I

848
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: think it can happen. And I think as he matures,

849
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 3: I think it can happen more readily. You know, because

850
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: you say, well, why the hell didn't they do that

851
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 3: in the SEC at Misissippi State. Why didn't that training

852
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 3: staff and nutritionists and that strength and conditioning, why didn't

853
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: they beef him up? I think they decided, you know,

854
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: let him play. Look at how he's playing and he

855
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 3: can he can handle it. Maybe he resisted a little

856
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 3: bit and said, you know what, I just don't feel

857
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: like I want to overreat like that or whatever. Maybe

858
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: in the National Football League who feel like he has

859
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 3: to in order to compete a little bit more. But

860
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 3: I think this kid is has got it. I really

861
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: do think I think he's he's he can be out

862
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 3: there on the alan by himself. And the other thing,

863
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 3: he visited Cincinnati, and everybody that I talked to said

864
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 3: first class individual. I mean, like, I want to adopt

865
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 3: this kid kind of kid. So if he's that type

866
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 3: of personality fits in really well in the locker room

867
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 3: as well, because we know that this locker room has

868
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: got a tremendous culture and all these guys get along,

869
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: and I think he would be a tremendous fit in

870
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 3: that regard as well.

871
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner Wade in the one sixties when he got

872
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: to UC they got him up to the one nineties

873
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: before he was drafted by the Jets, So the timetable's

874
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: a little bit different, but I do think there's, you know,

875
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: the ability to put good weight on Emmanuel Forbes. The

876
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: other thing is if the Bengals select him number twenty eight. Overall,

877
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: all they need to do is to assign him to

878
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: lap them and hoard for a few months. Have him

879
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: eat with us. He will put on weight.

880
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 3: No question about it. We'll take him right through training

881
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 3: table and that dog he'll have no problem. He'll he'll

882
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 3: be he'll be a buck eighty before he knows.

883
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: It won't necessarily be good way, but he'll be. Wait,

884
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: all right, who is your other guy that you've got

885
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: your eye on?

886
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 3: Okay, the other guy is if Forbes is not there.

887
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 3: And I've seen this guy, same type of thing. I've

888
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 3: seen him gone, I've seen him available Lucas Vans out

889
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 3: of Iowa. I think this this guy, leu Anoumo loves versatility.

890
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 3: This guy played three technique the first year of football.

891
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: He's redshirt sophomore. He's a young guy coming out. The

892
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 3: other thing I like is he's got tremendous upside potential

893
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: because of that that factor. Six ' five, two hundred

894
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: and seventy two pounds, run sub four, six thirty four

895
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: inch length to his arms, eleven inch hands. He will

896
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 3: grab you and consume you. Eighty one and three quarters

897
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 3: inch wingspan. I mean He's a condor with big hands,

898
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: run sub four six at over two inns seventy pounds.

899
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 3: His traits are freakish. I mean, they really are. He

900
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 3: was a hockey player. I played high school football with

901
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 3: a hockey player. This dude's legs were so strong because skating,

902
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: you know, develops different muscles in your legs. He was

903
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 3: an accomplished hockey player at that you know, at that size,

904
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 3: probably outgrew hockey. But the fact is he's very, very

905
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 3: strong in his lower body. So he played three technique initially,

906
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 3: then they kicked him out to end. Now with Louanna Roumo,

907
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 3: he could be an end and edge rush guy. He's

908
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 3: got some good techniques. He uses his hands well, he's

909
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 3: got counter moves. He's still young and he can learn

910
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 3: more and he can develop. But you could move kick

911
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 3: him inside to a three technique in your nickel defense

912
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 3: and let him rush there. He could play three technique

913
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 3: in a pinch against the run in the past, He's

914
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 3: done it. I like the position versatility he plays with

915
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 3: natural need bend angle flection. I think that some of

916
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 3: that comes from hockey. Honestly, he's got real big ability

917
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 3: on contact. His explosion is is definitely strong. Seeing him

918
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 3: forklift guys on the edge, you know, I mean he'll

919
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 3: work there that way as well. He can do it all.

920
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think if if Emmanuel Forbes isn't there,

921
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 3: I'd look to Lucas van Ness and hope that he's there.

922
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 3: If they're both not there, reload Reload.

923
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: Van Ness would be this year's Dax Hill. It seems

924
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: like on almost every mock draft I've seen he's gone.

925
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: But like I said, that was the case with Dax

926
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: last year, and sure enough there he was at number

927
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: thirty one.

928
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 3: And the one thing that I like about him when

929
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 3: you watch his tape, he is doggedly determined. He chases everything.

930
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 3: He tries to run everything down. Of that in a player,

931
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 3: you know, it's not just it's the other side of

932
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 3: the field. I'm just gonna chill and watch hope my

933
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 3: teammates get it done. This guy he gets after everything.

934
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 3: So he's got he's got a motor, and I just

935
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: think that if he comes here, he's raw and he's

936
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 3: got huge upside potential. He's look regarded as a late

937
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 3: first you know, second round pick by most everybody. Some

938
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 3: have him going higher, but I mean, if the Bengals

939
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: can draft him and develop him, and man, I think

940
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 3: the ceiling is extremely high with this kid. I think

941
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 3: he's got Pro Bowl potential if he's developed the right way.

942
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: And I think Lou and a room when his defensive

943
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 3: staff could do that.

944
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: All right, one more question and then we're going to

945
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: get to our predictions. To wrap this up, is there

946
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: a guy that, for whatever reason you would just like

947
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: to see the Bengals take at some point? So we're

948
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: not talking about a first round guy or maybe even

949
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: a second round, but is there somebody who, for whatever

950
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: reason you're intrigued with, you would like to see the

951
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: Bengals grab at some point?

952
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 3: You know, I haven't really thought about it. You know

953
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 3: that that far into the into the draft. You know

954
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: who I might think about for like third, fourth, fifth,

955
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 3: sixth round kind of guy or a Day three guy

956
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: that that might be there. I mean there's again, it's

957
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 3: it's a it's a great middle class draft.

958
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: I like that.

959
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 3: I think that you're going to bring guys in that

960
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 3: still know that they've got a lot to prove. I

961
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 3: got a lot of work to do. There's there's I

962
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 3: don't really have a player like I'd like I've got

963
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 3: a bunch of them, and I guess that fits this

964
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 3: kind of draft.

965
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: Either of the two UC wide receivers for personal reasons

966
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: or be on the list for me. But running back

967
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 1: Taj Spears out of Tulane. I saw him a lot

968
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: watching American Athletic Conference games. Cincinnati obviously faced him. Ran

969
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: for more than fifteen hundred yards average almost seven yards

970
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: of carry, was great at the Senior Bowl. Apparently there

971
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: might be an ACL issue now sure about where that

972
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: stands going forward when the teams do their medicals. But

973
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: Taja Spears, the running back, is the guy that you know,

974
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: I just kind of have in the back of my head,

975
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: is all right, if the Bengals could get him in

976
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: the fourth or fifth or something like that, that would

977
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: be a great pick up.

978
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that that's where I think

979
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 3: the sweet spot of this draft is going to be.

980
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be picks around the league that

981
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 3: it will be fourth, fifth, sixth round guys they're gonna

982
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 3: turn into turn out to be pretty darn good football players.

983
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess I guess maybe part of me,

984
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 3: uh maybe I'm off base, But if they could get

985
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 3: Josh Wiley at tight end, that that would be a

986
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 3: guy that's he's amongst a bunch of guys that i'd

987
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 3: like to you know what, I think the guy's a

988
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 3: good football player. If you can get him in the

989
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 3: fourth or fifth round, I think that's a good value

990
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 3: for a guy like that local kid. You know, there'd

991
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 3: be some interest there. Somebody like that, I think would

992
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 3: would uh, you know, would kind of peak peak some

993
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 3: interest for sure. I'd like to see that.

994
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: Josh Wiley is a very good football player. He's got

995
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: the size, he's got the speed. He's had some injury

996
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: problems that you see. That's a reason why he might

997
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: not have the productivity of some of the other tight

998
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: ends in this draft. But if he winds up in Cincinnati,

999
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: the Bengals are gonna have a good football player.

1000
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he seems like he's a very willing blocker.

1001
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 3: You know, there's no question about that. He'll he'll stick

1002
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 3: his nose in there and get that dirty for sure.

1003
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: All Right, the moment people have all been waiting for,

1004
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: it's time to make predictions. Laps legends speaks for itself.

1005
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: Back in twenty twelve, everybody said the Bengals would take

1006
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: offensive guard David di Castro. You said, nah, I think

1007
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: it's going to be Kevin Zeidler. Was Kevin Zeidler. The

1008
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: next year, the world landed on matt Elam, the safety

1009
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: who was taken in the first round by Baltimore, as

1010
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: the guy the Bengals were going to take. You said,

1011
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: I think it might be Tyler Eifert. It was Tyler Eifert.

1012
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: There have been others since John Ross. You nailed that

1013
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: one in twenty seventeen. In twenty nineteen, you said, I'll

1014
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: tell you what, if Jonah Williams is still on the

1015
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: board at number eleven, they will raise to the podium.

1016
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: And that's what they did, all right, So here we go.

1017
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 1: You are on the clock. Dave Lapham. With a twenty

1018
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: eighth pick in the twenty twenty three NFL Draft, the

1019
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals select.

1020
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 3: I'm going with the guy that I talked about earlier.

1021
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 3: I'm going to go with cornerback Emmanuel Forbes, and I'm

1022
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 3: not sure he'll be there. If he is, I think

1023
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 3: they take him unless there is somebody else that slid.

1024
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 3: But Emmanuel Forbes, And like I said earlier, if he's

1025
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 3: not My backup guy is Lucas van S, but I

1026
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 3: think i'd be I would be thrilled to death if

1027
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 3: both of them were there. If either one were there,

1028
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 3: I'd be equally excited. But I think one of those

1029
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 3: two guys could really really help this football team. I'm

1030
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 3: all in on those guys.

1031
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: I would love to see Emmanuel Forbes, but I'm not

1032
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: going to make him my pick because I don't want

1033
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: to have the same thing as you. That's no fun.

1034
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 1: And secondly, I don't think he's going to be there.

1035
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: Probably I could see Baltimore taking him at twenty two.

1036
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: So the Bengals it's getting closed. You're thinking, all right,

1037
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: they got a shot. And then your division rival, who's

1038
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: the cornerbacks are getting older and have had injury problems.

1039
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: Let's grab this guy to lock up the great receivers

1040
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: in our division.

1041
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 3: Hoops, and look the physical AFC North. We're talking about

1042
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 3: Cincinnati and or Baltimore picking them. They're not worried about

1043
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty six pound guy. He's shown that

1044
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 3: he can, he's got durability, he can play physically. I mean,

1045
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 3: I hope he's there. I hope he's there.

1046
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: I do too but I'm not going to pick him.

1047
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: I am going to stick with the cornerback position. I

1048
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: think Deontay Banks is gone. I think Devon Witherspoon will

1049
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: be the first cornerback taken. I have landed on George's

1050
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: Keeley Ringo as my pick with the twenty eighth pick

1051
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: in the draft. He's six to one, He's two hundred

1052
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: and seven pounds. He was the top cornerback recruit coming

1053
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: out of high school in his recruiting class. Ran a

1054
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: four to three six at the combine. And we know

1055
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: the Bengals love to draft players from big schools that

1056
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: have played in big games. Well, this guy was the

1057
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: best cornerback on back to back national championship teams at Georgia.

1058
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: I think they would rather have Emmanuel Forbes, and if

1059
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: he's there, I would take him, but I don't think

1060
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: he will be there. I have landed on Georgia's Kei

1061
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: Lee Ringo as the next Cincinnati Bengals first round draft.

1062
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 3: Pick, and I think he probably has a better chance

1063
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 3: to be there. I've seen him on a few bocks

1064
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 3: be taken, but not as many as Emmanuel, So I

1065
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 3: guess maybe I'm hoping against hope but you're I mean,

1066
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 3: both of them come from the SEC. There's not a

1067
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Speaker 3: better conference in college football, so I'd be good with either.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I do think that the corner position is

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Speaker 3: probably the area that they'll target first in. If there's

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Speaker 3: somebody available that fits in that need at the corner position,

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Speaker 3: I think they are going to go there.

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Speaker 1: Dan, all right, this has been fun as always. Looking

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Speaker 1: forward to Thursday, Friday and Saturday. We'll be spending a

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Speaker 1: lot of time together extravaganza.

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Speaker 3: It's the National Football League Draft.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 3: It's mind boggling. I was talking to Bob Johnson earlier

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Speaker 3: this week and I said, far cry from nineteen sixty eight, right,

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Speaker 3: the NFL Draft, and he just burst out laughing. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it is. The NFL Draft has become musty TV in

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Speaker 3: a time when you've got NBA Playoffs, you got you know,

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Speaker 3: major League Baseball just rolling right along. What's dominating the

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Speaker 3: news cycle in terms of sports, the NFL Draft. It

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Speaker 3: is a marketing giant.

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