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Speaker 1: Good morning, sweet girl, and welcome to the No Dumps

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Speaker 1: podcast on the Athletic Network. It's Monday, May fourth. Shout

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Speaker 1: out to all you Star Wars nerds, and we're back

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Speaker 1: in your ear holes ready to break down the latest

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Speaker 1: two episodes of the hit documentary series The Last Dance.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jay Skeats and joining us here on the horn.

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Speaker 1: We got Tasmellis here we go.

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Speaker 2: Just got to go to my golf game in a minute.

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Speaker 2: Let's get this done.

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Speaker 1: We've got the Bearded One, Tray Kirby. Hey aay no,

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Speaker 1: the international Man of Mystery taking it to the max.

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Speaker 3: Lee Ellis friend.

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Speaker 1: Last, but not least making the magic happen is JD. Hello,

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Speaker 1: there is and here we are. Well, those were some

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Speaker 1: fun episodes of The Last Dance. I don't know about

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Speaker 1: you guys, but my favorite episodes so far. I feel

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Speaker 1: like there's so much to tackle and break down with

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Speaker 1: episodes five and six, and we'll tackle them one at

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Speaker 1: a time. In terms of episodes, episode five, we get,

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Speaker 1: you know, we start with thean Loving Memory of Kobe,

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Speaker 1: and we get Kobe very early in this, and we

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Speaker 1: get the ninety eight All Star Game at MSG and

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Speaker 1: I say, right, away. It was my favorite maybe episode

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Speaker 1: of the whole bunch so far, because the archival footage

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Speaker 1: that we got was like basketball porn for people like us,

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Speaker 1: Like this, this behind the scenes stuff in the locker

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Speaker 1: I just absolutely was eating it up. I don't know

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I one hundred percent agree.

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Speaker 5: I thought that the subject matter of five and six

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Speaker 5: up by bringing the behind the scenes footage like from

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Speaker 5: the All Star game when Seinfeld comes in the locker room,

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Speaker 5: when you see Jordan, you know.

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Speaker 4: Plotting his flag over the shoulder.

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Speaker 5: These are things that I don't remember ever seeing, and

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Speaker 2: Final game in Madison Square Garden for MJ was surprising

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Speaker 2: to me, and that, yeah, he threw it back to

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Speaker 2: technology has come a long way. As he said, what

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Speaker 1: Later in the one of the episodes too, he's doing

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Speaker 3: I would never get sick though, of seeing that stuff

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Speaker 3: And then you also just see how Jordan felt in

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Speaker 2: It's unique to see Michael Jordan and his status sort

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Speaker 1: Well, what did everybody think of Jordan's denial that he

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Speaker 1: We've come a long way, task I know you like,

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Speaker 1: you know, like to get it correct right in pronouncing

433
00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 1: some of these international names. Man, we've come a long

434
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Speaker 1: way with all of those interpretations of how you say

435
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Speaker 1: cuck Coake.

436
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Speaker 2: It's good to see Charles Barkley hasn't changed one bit.

437
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,280
Speaker 2: He was still he was pronouncing names wrong. Then kuk

438
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,120
Speaker 2: Kock or whatever he was saying, he wasn't. He didn't

439
00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,240
Speaker 2: even care, you know. It was more of an insult,

440
00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,360
Speaker 2: I think, to not pronounce his name right. And now

441
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,920
Speaker 2: he's going Valancin. He wants us when he's talking about

442
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,320
Speaker 2: yonisvalen Chuna. So thanks haven't changed. But the Kuck Coach

443
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 2: angle was is so interesting. The fact that he is

444
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 2: the subject of anger from MJ and Scottie Pippen because

445
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 2: they're mad at Jerry Krouse and they just take it

446
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 2: out our Kuck Coach the first time they see him.

447
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 2: And I love the fact that we get more of

448
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,880
Speaker 2: the second game that they play. At least we see

449
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,679
Speaker 2: that Kuck Coach bounce back in the final and the

450
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 2: gold medal game and had a sixteen and nine game.

451
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Speaker 2: Because you usually when you hear the story, you know,

452
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Speaker 2: they destroyed me at four points in the first time

453
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,639
Speaker 2: the first game. But at least we see you know,

454
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Speaker 2: cou Coach and some skill in that second game and

455
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,440
Speaker 2: going at Scottie Pippen and showing those skills, and it.

456
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Speaker 4: Was awesome to see that.

457
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 5: You know, they go out there, they destroy cou Coach

458
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 5: game one, he plays fine in the finals, and they're like, wow,

459
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 5: that was pretty impressive. When also, you know, maybe a

460
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 5: half hour earlier in the documentary, it's six years later,

461
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 5: Kuck Coach is sitting in the locker room with Jordan

462
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Speaker 5: when he pulls out the Jordan ones and Kuck Coach

463
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Speaker 5: is like, wow, that's what I started playing when in

464
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty four, So imagine what he was thinking. He's

465
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 5: been loving this guy, Michael Jordan from Afar for his

466
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 5: entire basketball life. He finally gets on the court with him,

467
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 5: and Jordan and Pippen just are trying to destroy him.

468
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Speaker 5: No wonder he had such a tough first game.

469
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I know we've seen. Oh, there's been a

470
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Speaker 1: doc right, and obviously a lot written about the infamous

471
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Speaker 1: Dream Team practice in Monte Carlo, the one little part

472
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Speaker 1: I didn't remember at least, or maybe it was a

473
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Speaker 1: new little piece of information the idea like after it.

474
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Speaker 1: And that was awesome, And that footage is so cool

475
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 1: that you could like cut the tension with a knife

476
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: on the bus we're told that little story until sort

477
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Speaker 1: of magic. You know, he put everybody out of ease,

478
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,439
Speaker 1: making the joke with about Barkley and basically pissing off

479
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: Jordan shouldn't have really had said anything when they were

480
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,919
Speaker 1: up big. I love that, I mean, and that's I

481
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 1: love just how glowingly they all talk about a practice, right.

482
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Speaker 1: It's crazy to think.

483
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Speaker 3: A lot of them say it's the best game they've

484
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Speaker 3: ever fight in. Magic Johnson said the same thing, you know,

485
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Speaker 3: And and I like how he sort of owned the

486
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Speaker 3: fact that, like he called Jordan out and said, you're

487
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Speaker 3: gonna have to turn into where Jordan to win this game,

488
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 3: and Jordan does and they go out and win the game,

489
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 3: and it's just awesome. And again there's that whole documentary

490
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,919
Speaker 3: the Drink Team, which is which is great and it

491
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: delves right into that. But I just love seeing again

492
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Speaker 3: that that old footage and just seeing how Magic's just

493
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 3: talking NonStop, non stop the whole time, and it would

494
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Speaker 3: be just amazing to have been in the arena for

495
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Speaker 3: that one.

496
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

497
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Speaker 5: And then Jordan basically just comes back by scoring every

498
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Speaker 5: single point and then saying this is the nineties.

499
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, withering trash chalk magics, Like what.

500
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Speaker 1: Are the only the only thing from the whole you know,

501
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 1: Barcelona Olympic Games here within this last dance doc that

502
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Speaker 1: I wish we sort of got an answer to and

503
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Speaker 1: maybe I missed it, so tell me if I'm wrong. Guys,

504
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Speaker 1: whose idea was it to cover the Rebark logo with

505
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 1: the American flag? Like, was it MG's was it a

506
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 1: naked employee? Was it? Like I'm just fascinated by that, Like, hey,

507
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 1: this is a big controversy here they want you to

508
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: wear the rebok He's like, okay, Well, like who said,

509
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: who came up with the idea? Well, I'll just drape

510
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 1: a flag over my shoulder and you can't see everything.

511
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 5: It's a great question because they do have that scene

512
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 5: in the car where MJ is literally.

513
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 4: Like Harvey Schiller, what a dick? So it was.

514
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 5: Obviously in the air that you know, Jordan or somebody

515
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 5: would be covering this thing. I don't know who actually

516
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 5: came up with the idea to basically pin a flag

517
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 5: deer shirt, but it's hard to get mad at somebody

518
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Speaker 5: for having an American flag on when you just want

519
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 5: a gold medal states.

520
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Speaker 1: It's so brilliant. It's brilliant. It's brilliant, it's teflon. You

521
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: can't see anything to it. Yeah, it's like, Hey, I'm

522
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: so proud to be an American. We just won gold.

523
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Speaker 1: I am draping this over my entire body.

524
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Speaker 3: But even mav says in the commentry, says, you know,

525
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: maybe not for entirely patriotic reasons.

526
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

527
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Speaker 3: It's pretty big of him to call him Matt like

528
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Speaker 3: that on the broadcast.

529
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Speaker 1: Yeah, smooth, smooth. Prior to the Dream Team stuff, I

530
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Speaker 1: wanted to slip this in here. I have a question

531
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Speaker 1: for I guess for Trey and maybe Lee you can

532
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: speak to this too. To us, of course, jump in.

533
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: We hear the idea that I think it's Wilbon that

534
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,239
Speaker 1: says it again, and I know a bj Armstrong has

535
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Speaker 1: echoed these sentiments that the ninety two Bulls were the

536
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Speaker 1: best version of the Chicago Bulls of all their championship

537
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 1: teams trade. Do you agree with that? Do you think

538
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 1: it's another nineties Bulls team? What's your take on that?

539
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 4: I don't know.

540
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 5: I was actually a little surprised that the ninety two

541
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 5: season was kind of skipped over so much because that

542
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 5: was the first real series against the Knicks they had

543
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 5: played in ninety one, and Jordan had that huge dunk

544
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 5: on Patrick Ewing, which kind of changed the way the

545
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 5: Necks we're going to approach the Bulls. They're like, we

546
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 5: got to be like the Pistons. We got to knock

547
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 5: them down every single time. But you know, they had

548
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Speaker 5: sixty seven wins I think in the ninety two season,

549
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 5: the most they had had up to that point, and

550
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 5: they honestly dominated, but they were also close to elimination

551
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 5: right they were playing in a Game seven.

552
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Speaker 4: I was very surprised that we didn't get that at all.

553
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 5: We got that one game in the finals where Jordan

554
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 5: hits the six threes in the first half, and that

555
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 5: was basically it. I mean, obviously they were saving the

556
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 5: Knicks be for ninety three, which.

557
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 4: A smart move.

558
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 5: But yeah, the ninety two season has kind of been

559
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 5: a little bit forgotten because you know, I think people

560
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 5: think the Blazers are one of the worst teams that

561
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 5: the Bulls beat in the finals, considering you know, it

562
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 5: was like Barkley the next year, and it was Magic

563
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 5: the year prior. Those guys are higher on the list

564
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 5: than Clyde Drexler is, but uh yeah, it's easy to

565
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 5: get lost. But the ninety two team was incredible for me.

566
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 5: It was like ninety one kind of taught me how

567
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 5: to love basketball and how to really love a team,

568
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 5: and then ninety two taught me how to really hate

569
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 5: a team by watching the Knicks and watching that series

570
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 5: where it's like Xavier McDaniel, Doc Rivers, John Starks had

571
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 5: his big dunk. You know, that was the team that

572
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 5: I really learned how to hate. But you know, they

573
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 5: came back around in ninety three, so we.

574
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Speaker 4: Got to talk a little bit about that though.

575
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: That close up of Clyde Drexler after getting cooked in

576
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Speaker 1: Game one, or while getting cooked in Game one, that

577
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: was gut wrenching, Like you know what that one shot

578
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. It was on him for so long

579
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,239
Speaker 1: and it's just like, oh my god, he's like just

580
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: a dear in the headlights, like what the hell, Like,

581
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: we're screwed here, he's hitting six threes and like because

582
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: going into that series, of course there's the whole MG

583
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: versus Clyde talk and who's the best chicking blah blah

584
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, My god, that SHOT's amazing.

585
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 3: Well, you see the theme throughout this how you know

586
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: he was looking for reasons to get fired up and

587
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 3: to you know, come out. There was a Drexler. Later

588
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 3: you get to Dan Marley. Of course, the Tony Kuk

589
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 3: coach in there as well. So that's that's what we

590
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 3: hear about Jordan, that he was always looking for some

591
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 3: sort of slight to go out there and just destroy

592
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 3: an opponent, and he did that. But for me, it's

593
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 3: tough to go past the ninety five, ninety six, you know,

594
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 3: seventy two and ten Bulls. I think they lost what

595
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 3: three playoff games, you know, and two of those were

596
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 3: when they're up three to zero on the Sonics. So

597
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 3: in terms of total dominance, I think it's probably still

598
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 3: that team. It's hard to you know, you're splitting hairs

599
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: a little bit when they were a good team and

600
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 3: if you're you know, looking back like they I still

601
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 3: can't believe they lost two games for the Blazers. Really

602
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 3: when you think think about how they won that first

603
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: game and how that series eventually played out Portland, you know,

604
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 3: it did play well. They sort of overcame that first lost.

605
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think I think when you look back

606
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 3: at it, you know, seventy two and ten, just no

607
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: one even got close to them in the playoffs really,

608
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 3: other than the Sonics when they got those couple of

609
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 3: games back. So I would pick that team as the

610
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 3: probably the most dominant JD.

611
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: You had slipped it in there when you were saying

612
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: as a casual fan, like learning maybe some of these

613
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: things and his his uh MJ's a political stance, right,

614
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: you know, maybe one of the more critical parts of

615
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: the docs series so far. Did you think I thought,

616
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,479
Speaker 1: at least I'm interested your take. I thought they handled

617
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: that a little bit with kid gloves, because I don't

618
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: know if you noticed how uplifting the music was under

619
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: that again fairly controversial part, you know, where he doesn't

620
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: want to do the commercial. He never thought of himself

621
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: as an activist. They're comparing it to Muhammad Ali and

622
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: all that. Well, did you notice that too, or was

623
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: that crazy.

624
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, one hundred percent. But I mean I think everybody,

625
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 6: even Obama was lett him off the hook, right, I

626
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 6: mean yeah, they were just like, you know, he made

627
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 6: a decision and that's his decision and we can't for

628
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 6: anybody into it.

629
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: And I don't know.

630
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 2: I mean.

631
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 6: It brought me to think of the China thing this

632
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 6: last fall and how the players came under criticism, and

633
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 6: I don't know. I mean, it's so hard to put

634
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 6: yourself in that position. I mean there's things that I

635
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 6: won't tweet that I don't want to get involved with,

636
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, And I'm nobody, right, so

637
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:32,239
Speaker 6: I can't even imagine that level of superstar. You know,

638
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 6: is it financial? I don't think it is, because he's

639
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 6: mega rich, Like he's richer than rich, Like how much

640
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 6: money does he need?

641
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: Right?

642
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 6: I mean, so it's more of a I don't want

643
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 6: to deal with the criticism or I don't want to

644
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 6: deal with the hate and I don't want to get

645
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 6: into it with you. And maybe it's just as a

646
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 6: matter of I'm not as as well read as I

647
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 6: should be on something like this. You know, I don't

648
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 6: want to get into an argument with anybody about this

649
00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 6: so I'm just going to stay out of it.

650
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: I don't blame MJ one iota, not whatsoever, but I

651
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: would like that I would like the answers to those questions,

652
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: like just to get into more more of the layers

653
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: of of YMJ thought that way because because that was

654
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: that wasn't a pressure that was there all the time.

655
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: That's all he was asked about for. Yeah, in that

656
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: in that case from his hometown, uh an African American

657
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: trying to be the first senator, uh in his state,

658
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: first African American in North Carolina in the Senate, if

659
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: I'm correct, and uh he he obviously there's a lot

660
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: more inside that he didn't want to reveal. But you

661
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: said he's he's super rich and it was probably not financial,

662
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: but he's right now he's making more every single year

663
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: than he made in his NBA career combined from all

664
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: his salaries. So uh, maybe he made the right financial

665
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: to maybe maybe.

666
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing. Do you believe that one be

667
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: it him or anyone can just is it okay or

668
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: they that they just like I don't want to speak

669
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: on these matters because A I don't care, be I

670
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: don't feel confident enough to speak on them, you know,

671
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: eloquently enough. My opinion shouldn't matter, Like do you believe

672
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: that or what most people think is the flip side

673
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: is like, no, you just don't want to do that

674
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: because of monetary reasons and it hurts your brand and

675
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: the idea that you're so beloved. I mean, that's that's

676
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: I don't know where I fall on that. I think

677
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: both can be true, but I don't know who knows

678
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: any he says, he's just like, I'm not an activist.

679
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: I didn't consider myself once, so I didn't try to

680
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: be one. And even that would then give him get

681
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: him in trouble because then people are like, well you're

682
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: not even speaking on this. It can't really win, right, Yeah.

683
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 6: I mean a lot of people take the Uncle Ben's stance. Right,

684
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 6: with great power comes great responsibility, and it's your responsibility.

685
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 6: You have reached this this level of power, and you

686
00:30:59,000 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 6: should use it.

687
00:30:59,560 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 4: You should.

688
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 2: He was it for good, you know.

689
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 6: And then and then it's all well and good until

690
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 6: you're talking about the other guy, right, you're talking about Trump,

691
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 6: You're or whatever, like you just you pick the guy

692
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 6: that I don't want you to pick. Maybe maybe, maybe

693
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 6: he had a big Maybe he liked Jesse Helms for

694
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 6: whatever reason, I don't know, he just didn't want to

695
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 6: get involved.

696
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean that's not really all that close

697
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: to home. Yeah, pardon the physical close to home. Yeah,

698
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: it was in North Carolina. But the thing that's even

699
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: closer to home is that Craig Hodges blackballing in the

700
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: NBA where he was well.

701
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: Speak to that task. I think maybe there's a lot

702
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: of listeners that have no idea what you're maybe alluding to.

703
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: Well, Craig Hodge is his teammate and a guy who

704
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: was an incredible shooter, helped win championships there early in

705
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: the early nineties with the Bulls. Think he won. He

706
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: won the first two, and then he never sniffed another

707
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: NBA contract, not one. No one talked to him. I

708
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: think the Sonics apparently called and then quickly deleted their

709
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: number or or disconnected their number because for some reason,

710
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: nobody else wanted to give him a contract because he

711
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: was pretty vocal about his activism for African Americans, and.

712
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: That's it.

713
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: He was just gone. He was just disappeared from the NBA.

714
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: I mean, he wasn't a huge player in the NBA.

715
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: But he was a great shooter. He was in his

716
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,239
Speaker 2: early thirties. He went and played abroad and that's it.

717
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: I guess he was too vocal for someone's liking. And

718
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: it sure seems like it's MJ. And sure seems like

719
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: it was the bulls, But that's I guess. There's just

720
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: a few things that in the in the in the

721
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: dock that just aren't touched on really, and the activism

722
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: is briefly touched on, but this Hodgest thing, it just

723
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: seems like this is something that that MJ said, Uh uh,

724
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about it. You didn't care. You didn't

725
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: care about it whatsoever, right.

726
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: And he random observations from episode five in particular, do

727
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: you guys want to slip in there?

728
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: Does Michael Jordan have a tattoo on his left pectoral muscle? HMOs? Like, yeah,

729
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 3: I didn't know that before. I don't know what it is.

730
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 3: It looked like it faded too, But that's unusual. I thought,

731
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: you know, we would have seen every we would have

732
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: known everything about Jordan like that. But unless there's some

733
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: sort of birthmark or something, but I don't think so.

734
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: But you don't think it highly of Michael Jordan now

735
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: that you know he has a tattoo.

736
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 3: Again, you're misrepresenting my stance on tattoos. The tattoo's on

737
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: fine with just not above the shoulders. I just think

738
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: that's limiture career options. That's all.

739
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 4: Well.

740
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: I guess he took that to heart. He didn't put

741
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: it on his face.

742
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

743
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 5: I also love the scene of Jordan being basically the

744
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 5: ticket godfather. Randy Brown comes in and asks him a

745
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 5: ticket and he just hands it over his.

746
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 4: Shoulder to him and his like, where do you want one?

747
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 5: He said, I'll take one anywhere next to God, And

748
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 5: Jordan's like, next to who just got one from him?

749
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 5: Just kidding, just kidding, just kidding, just kidding, just kidding,

750
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 5: just kidding, And Randy Brown's like, you're not really kidding, though,

751
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,959
Speaker 5: Are you get out of here? You know you've really

752
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 5: got Jordan's goat when he tells you to get out

753
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 5: of a room. That's like the ultimate Michael Jordan ending

754
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 5: of a conversation.

755
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: He's always in that little weird back room with the

756
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: sniff brothers. Oh yeah, I know We'll get to Watson

757
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: Yak in episode six. I loved just to go back

758
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: to the Kobe part at the beginning, we uh, you know,

759
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: we're getting Kobe early on. He's obviously it's you know,

760
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: it's still it's still a shock to the system just

761
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: to see Kobe on camera in sort of somewhat present

762
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: day and obviously knowing he's not here. But we then

763
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: heard MJ talking before we saw him in episode five,

764
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: and I still thought it was Kobe for a second, right,

765
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: I mean, and this is not groundbreaking you know information here,

766
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: like not only on the floor, but just the man

767
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: in which Kobe really just held hisself like MJ is

768
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: still wild even even when they got older. I mean,

769
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: I it was MJ. We weren't seeing him yet, and

770
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 1: he was talking about things. I'm like, how is Kobe

771
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: talking about these things? And it's like, oh no, that's MG.

772
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: It's just it's so just so trippy to me. Just

773
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: the similarities between the two, both on and off the floor.

774
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: I thought that was really cool. I also love Grant

775
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: Hill saying I'm not jumping with Kobe. I'm not going

776
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 1: on a poster. Screw that, and it was like, yeah,

777
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: good call. You don't want to, you know that. But

778
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: that was neat too, Like MJ and the rest of

779
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: the All Stars like talking about Kobe Lee like young

780
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: Kobe yeah, and that sort of being a ball hog type.

781
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: Kobe, Yeah, Yeah, if he wants the ball, he's gonna

782
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 3: go and get a rebound. But already there was a

783
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 3: sense that Kobe was something pretty special. I think I

784
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 3: think a lot of guys knew that, and they also

785
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 3: knew more than necessarily what he could do in the court,

786
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 3: the competitiveness and the drive that he had already that

787
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: that he wasn't just going to go out there and

788
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 3: have some fun and try to get some shots, that

789
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 3: he wanted to go out there and win his game

790
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: and you know, and show people that he was the

791
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 3: real deal. So you know, a lot of guys come

792
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: from college, and I know Kobe didn't go to college, but

793
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 3: they come from college with a big reputation. But Kobe

794
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: already seemed to be living up to that that people

795
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 3: sort of could sense he was a little bit different

796
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 3: and certainly cast in the same mold as a Michael Jordan.

797
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 3: From that sort of competitive standpoint.

798
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: I thought that footage was just awesome. We we just

799
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: don't get that type of stuff, and so those guys

800
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: actually just shooting was really really really cool, and it's

801
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: easy for me to forget guys who are on that team,

802
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 2: on that All Star team, like an Antoine Walker slipped

803
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: in there, sean Campi uniform and Rick Smith's just being

804
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: quiet on the side. Oh, you guys are talking about something.

805
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: I have a first time All Star over here, Steve

806
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 2: Smith hanging with with MJ. And then you know, taking

807
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 2: it from him. Later on in the season, win and

808
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: the Bulls came to Atlanta and they were, you know,

809
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: in the Georgia Dome. Sixty thousand seats were sold in

810
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: this football stadium to watch MJ give it to Steve Smith. Unfortunately,

811
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: Smitty that was rough, uh for Smitty, but yes it was.

812
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: Our footage is just do you ever see that kind

813
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: of stuff. I can't recall anything in a in a

814
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: locker room like that before an All Star game with

815
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: great players other than AI shaving his corn rows and

816
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: everybody you know, having some fun with him, but not

817
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: not real talk like that.

818
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: Oh no, this is definitely like the lost footage that

819
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: we were hoping to see type stuff, right that, this

820
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: this stuff because of this camera cruit that was following

821
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: him around, we were going to get some of this

822
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, pull it out of the vault and then

823
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: we're starting to see it. I mean it's great. I

824
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 1: mean every like I said, I called it basketball porn.

825
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: It's like, I just love that stuff between Magic Bird

826
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: and MJ in the locker room at the All Star Games.

827
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: So damn cool.

828
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also good to see you said, Magic, MJ,

829
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: and Larry doing their photos before the All Star Game.

830
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: And it was in probably the Emerald room at the hotel.

831
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 2: Like it was in one of those crappy conference rooms

832
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: that we all have to go to sometimes. It's just

833
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 2: great to see NBA players have to go to those

834
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: conference rooms too. Yeah. Just hop down to the ground floor,

835
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: take a left, and it's that Emerald room. Oh yeah, yeah,

836
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: they're getting rid of the buffet there. It'll be gone

837
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: in like five minutes. We have the room at ten o'clock.

838
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: Can you guys get out of here. We had a

839
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 2: photo shoot here with three of the best basketball players

840
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: in the world. That was cool to see.

841
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: Here's the real question tray from episode five. We learned

842
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: right that MJ didn't really care all that much for

843
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: Seinfeld the television show.

844
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it definitely seemed to be this guy's pretty famous,

845
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 5: almost as famous as me. Let's be famous together while

846
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 5: we stand here. But it was worth it to hear

847
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 5: the quote from Jerry Seinfeld. I'm trying to make quitting

848
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 5: the move of the nineties. I mean it's during the playoffs, right,

849
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 5: so it must be right around the same time that

850
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 5: Seinfeld finally finished up. And then also Phil Jackson comes

851
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 5: in and Jerry just goes, hey, Phil, old buddies, and

852
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 5: the Jordan's face is just hilarious seeing him try to

853
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 5: like chat up Phil Jackson, Jordan making the most awkward.

854
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 4: Faces you've ever seen from Michael Jordan.

855
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was like, it was like an awkward scene. Yeah,

856
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: it was like, I guess we're supposed to like each

857
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: other and talk to each other because we're both super famous,

858
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: But okay, how's it going. I meant to get out

859
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: the payoff was great. When Jerry was leaving though, and

860
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: like pointed at the blackboard and said, like that's not

861
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: gonna work or something to Bill Wedding, that was my

862
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: favoritely would you think of that?

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00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that was classic Seinfeld. They're just you know,

864
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 3: putting his little stamp on it. But it's funny, you know,

865
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: I thought that Jordan being such a big cigar guy,

866
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: that he might have a little bit more in common

867
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 3: with Seinfeld and can talk about Kramer, you know, two

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00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 3: big cigar guys. That Wow. I couldn't believe how often

869
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: we saw Jordan chomping on a cigar in this uh

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Speaker 3: these two episodes.

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00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: Yees, non stop. No, I mean that's like, yeah, that's

872
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: salt in the wound. I think if you're any other

873
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: great NBA player that lost to MJ, You're like, was

874
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: this guy kicking our ass? But he was like a chain.

875
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 4: Smoker with It's like in Churchill with.

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00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: Like you often see it go, you know, team celebrate

877
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 3: the championship. You know, they have a cigar and stuff.

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00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 3: But Jordan was just like every single time we saw him,

879
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 3: just a bat. He had a cigar, even you know

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00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 3: in the car, I mean on the way to a game,

881
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 3: like incredible.

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00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 6: I want to know if those Cohibas were actual Cubans

883
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 6: or where they uh Dominican, because of course Cohiba is

884
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 6: illegal at that time, so.

885
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why we quit.

886
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 2: Got to get my hands on some legals. Well, Jerry

887
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: Krause asked MJ for a cigar after the second championship.

888
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: MJ in the hallway smoking a cigar, and Jerry Cross says, hey, MJ,

889
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: give me one of those cigars, so they're probably real,

890
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: and MJ responds, Oh, it's gonna stunt your growth, Jerry.

891
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: Everybody's got a laugh at that joke.

892
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it does make you think there is not

893
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: footage out there where MJ is not when he's around

894
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: Jerry Cross ripping on him. Every single time we've seen

895
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: the two of them in a scene together, it's MJ

896
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: saying something you know, offensive, or taking a crack at him.

897
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: At the very least.

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00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 5: That's wild and at like the top of his game too, right,

899
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 5: it's like they're celebrating a championship.

900
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 4: But you know what, I still got enough time to

901
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 4: throw in a little chab here.

902
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: It's wild, all right. Anything else from episode five.

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00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 6: I just wanted to I don't know if you guys

904
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 6: touched on it already, but the sneaker technology when he

905
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 6: wears the the Jordan Ones but in his last game

906
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 6: at MSG and his feet are literally bleeding.

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00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: I enjoyed that part.

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00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he chucked out in there, but it was

909
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: it is amazing that he laces them up then he

910
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: wore them. They look cool as hell still, you know,

911
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: obviously it just it looked amazing. But I guess they

912
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: did a number on his old dogs and.

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00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: He told them were shot. In the postgame inter you're

914
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: great great to remember this that he told him, my

915
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 2: feet are killing me right now as he was on

916
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: the floor, and uh, yeah, technologies come a long way,

917
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 2: as he told young Tony Kukosh, Hey, young whipper snapper,

918
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: you don't know how bad we had it. Well, I

919
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: guess he did, because Tony Tony wore those way back

920
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: when when he started in eighty four.

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Speaker 4: He said, yeah, a couple of great eighty four references.

922
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 4: There was that. And then when.

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Speaker 5: Patrick Ewing comes in the locker room after that final

924
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,520
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925
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Speaker 4: Just like, ah, don't start.

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Speaker 5: That sh like you know, Jordan has just been killing

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Speaker 1: Episode six. This one starts with the you know how

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Speaker 1: frustrating it is to be Jordan because of his popularity,

1010
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 1: and MG is quoted as saying, this is the type

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Speaker 1: I think you were talking about it earlier there, jd

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Speaker 1: How just like, wow, I mean that would be heavy

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Speaker 1: if you try and put yourself in MG shoes, You're like,

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Speaker 1: of course, be like Mike why wouldn't you want to

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Speaker 1: be the most popular athlete in the world. But this

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Speaker 1: do anything?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 6: The we got a little taste of this, I mean

1021
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 6: we talked about this before when we were chasing down

1022
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 6: Kobe for an interview and we walked through. I mean,

1023
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Speaker 6: it was all star and it was a jam session,

1024
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 6: but still we walked from one end of the convention

1025
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Speaker 6: center to the other with him, and the amount of

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Speaker 6: people just.

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Speaker 4: Yelling Coby, Coby, Koby.

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00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 6: And just in his face the entire way through was.

1029
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Speaker 2: Crazy.

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Speaker 6: For and we experienced it for ten minutes. I can't

1031
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 6: imagine you're in every day for multiple years. That would

1032
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 6: be your experience just walking round outside. It's it's insane.

1033
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: You can get a better understanding of why he liked golf, right,

1034
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: It's like, honestly, I mean you I'm sure he loved

1035
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: the competitive nature of it and all that and gambling,

1036
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: no doubt on it. But uh, man, you're you're on

1037
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Speaker 1: a you're basically on a private course where people can't

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Speaker 1: get to you, and you're for the most part alone

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Speaker 1: with your buddies. It's gotta be got to be pretty

1040
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Speaker 1: refreshing after you know that that type of life that

1041
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: we saw just going from bus to hotel and hotels

1042
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: to the gym and just yeah, being inundated with people

1043
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: be exhausting.

1044
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Speaker 2: Yeah, watching him play golf made me understand why he golfed,

1045
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: But it also made me understand why I hate golf

1046
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 2: at the same time, because even the best basketball player

1047
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: in the world was getting frustrated with his driver games. Yeah,

1048
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: it's just such a hard game to perfect. You have

1049
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Speaker 2: a good game, mgl will go out there have a

1050
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 2: good game next next day on the course. Uh, just lousy.

1051
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: It's just it's just the hardest game in the world.

1052
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 2: And that's probably why he loved it because it was

1053
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Speaker 2: it was a struggle for him. I'm sure how many

1054
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Speaker 2: cigar do you think he went through? Eighteens man?

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Speaker 3: Stop?

1056
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: It is it is the rate task. Like it's striking

1057
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Speaker 1: to see a guy like Michael Jordan's sort of suck

1058
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: at something like it's it is. It's jarring. It's weird.

1059
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Speaker 4: It's like I can't read the greens.

1060
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Speaker 1: Yeah, literally frustrated and he's like doing the classic like, yeah,

1061
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: just don't have it today. Yeah, I can't read the greens. Yeah,

1062
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: drivers not working like classic things that you hear, you know,

1063
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Speaker 1: your bunny say when he's on the golf course, and

1064
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1065
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Speaker 3: Really, I think I think part of that as well, though,

1066
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Speaker 3: is just his competitive nature is that he wanted to

1067
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Speaker 3: conquer it and it felt probably that it kept beating him.

1068
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Speaker 3: So that's what kept him going back out there, you know,

1069
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Speaker 3: that that that drive to be like he wanted to be,

1070
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Speaker 3: you know, the best golfer he could be. And uh,

1071
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Speaker 3: and that of course leads to some of the problems

1072
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 3: that he has along the way that people know that

1073
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1075
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 3: wants to be on the basketball court, and that shows

1076
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 3: a vulnerabil and awakness that he has.

1077
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, during that montage where we're seeing just how exhausting

1078
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: it would be to be MJ. Where it's just people, people, people, people, people,

1079
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: the MJMJ. There is a holy moment in that clip.

1080
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: Did you guys see when the guy rubs MJ's head.

1081
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: The fan reaches over and just straight up rubs his head.

1082
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: You imagine that happening today.

1083
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

1084
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: The guy's like high fiving the other buddy, and MJ

1085
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: really doesn't flinch. He just keeps walking back to the tunnel.

1086
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that.

1087
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's amazing to see just how intense the scrutiny is.

1088
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 5: And this is for Jordan in you know, ninety two

1089
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 5: ninety three, so we're talking early on in the phenomenon

1090
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 5: of Jordan at this point. Now he's been living this

1091
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 5: life for thirty years, which is why it's enjoyable for

1092
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 5: him to just lay in a hotel room, tuck his

1093
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 5: shirt in and smokes cigars on the couch. Like if

1094
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 5: anybody else was doing this, you'd be like, well, this

1095
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 5: is some serious loser behavior. But if you go outside

1096
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 5: and everybody in the entire world's trying to grab your head,

1097
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 5: that's maybe the most fun you can have that are

1098
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 5: being where no one else is.

1099
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: Why was that scene where MJ and Pippin and Ron

1100
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 1: Harper we're drinking beers? Why was that black and white? JD?

1101
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 6: Great question. I don't know. Was it being shot for

1102
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,959
Speaker 6: something else and they just had it in black and white?

1103
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: Huh? I don't know.

1104
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question.

1105
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

1106
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1107
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: I liked it though, because you you're reminded in that

1108
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: little moment, I think because they're they're getting ready to

1109
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: go talk to the media at least MJ is, and

1110
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: they've just had a game, and they're having the beers,

1111
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 1: they're cracking the those Miller lights and Pippin you're reminded

1112
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 1: that there's a camera crew right like following them around

1113
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: and that it's sort of abnormal that they're seeing these

1114
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: moments because at this point MJ sort of seems fine

1115
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: with it, and Ron Harper even is like you can

1116
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: hear them say like I don't care, like they can

1117
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: film me drinking beer. But Pippin is still like he's

1118
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: the one that's like, there are cameras here, we're drinking beer.

1119
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: I don't want why are you filming as drinking you

1120
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like it snapped me back to

1121
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: a second, like, oh, yeah, this was a pretty crazy

1122
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: ask and pretty crazy task that you know, NBA Entertainment

1123
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: was following this team around that year.

1124
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, athlete shows you the status of the players, right,

1125
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 5: Ron Harper doesn't care because nobody really has an opinion

1126
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 5: of Ron Harper's image. But Scottie Pippen is certainly more

1127
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 5: famous than Ron Harper, so he cares if you're putting

1128
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 5: it out there that you know he's drinking beer. But meanwhile,

1129
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 5: Michael Jordan, the biggest name of all, he has control

1130
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 5: on this documentary, so he will choose if the people

1131
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 5: are actually seeing them drink beers in the locker room.

1132
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 5: I just thought that was a cool way of showing

1133
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 5: the different levels that these three guys were at.

1134
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 2: And I like the Scottie Pippen line. We're out there

1135
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, all we were thinking about was

1136
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: cold beer after They.

1137
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: Really athlete, I mean, they really are just like us.

1138
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: That's all we're doing when we're playing. On Wednesday night,

1139
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: we get the return of the sniff brothers Ley at

1140
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: least Wasniak there, John Michael Wasniak got the long glowing

1141
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: or flowing blowing uh locks. Yeah, that's what it was,

1142
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 1: and that he's betting mj on this very what appears

1143
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: to be a very simplistic game of I guess just

1144
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: call it quarters or whatever, right. I think the goal

1145
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: was to just you're just that's what the quarter is

1146
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: close to the wall is possible without hitting it.

1147
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's is that It's that's what I interpret it

1148
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: to be. I'm like, yeah, if it hits the wall,

1149
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 3: then you're out, so you just have to get it closer.

1150
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 3: And again, just seeing this guy, this you know, kind

1151
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 3: of funky looking dude being able to really tap into

1152
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 3: Jordan's competitiveness and to be like, I can beat you

1153
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 3: at this, and Jordan wanting to be like, all right,

1154
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 3: let's play, let's gamble here. And of course what happens

1155
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 3: is he challenges Jordan, he beats Jordan, and then the

1156
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 3: probably the gift of the night, I guess, is when

1157
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 3: he just hits Jordan with his shrug for like a shrug.

1158
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 3: I just I just cleaned out Michael Jordan. You know,

1159
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 3: look at me, I don't look exactly like the guy

1160
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 3: who can take down Jordan. You know, Patrick Ewing couldn't

1161
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 3: do it. Clyde Drexler couldn't look at me the most

1162
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 3: you know, unsuspecting guy who's out there actually can get

1163
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: a win over Michael Jordan. It was an incredible moment,

1164
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 3: but it is just a fun moment as well that

1165
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 3: these guys, you know, again, they see so much of Michael,

1166
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 3: so they're not as you know, just as sort of

1167
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 3: stars to see him, and they know how to press

1168
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 3: his buttons as well, and they know that he'll respond

1169
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 3: and he'll take it in. But it's also interesting that Jordan,

1170
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess, you know, in the grand scheme

1171
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 3: of things, this is not a bad look for him,

1172
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 3: but to show that he was able to relate to

1173
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 3: these people as well, and he didn't just see them

1174
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 3: as like sort of people who hung around him to

1175
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 3: protect him. He tried to sort of get to know

1176
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 3: them a little bit as well.

1177
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, certainly I thought, you know, Jordan's not playing coins

1178
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 5: with anybody, and it's just interesting to see the change

1179
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 5: in his face when the guy starts strugging at him,

1180
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 5: and you can tell he's like, all right, this game

1181
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 5: is over because I'm gonna get really upset here if

1182
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 5: I actually keep losing to this guy.

1183
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 4: So let's just move it along. Go protect the damn

1184
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 4: United Center.

1185
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a funny line. There's a great article by

1186
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: the way up on the Athletic right now, like a

1187
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: quick piece, I mean, amazing turnaround on this getting to

1188
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: know this guy John Michael Wazniak, Who is this guy

1189
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: with the long hair, the Tiger King Hare beaten MG

1190
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: at at quarters. I highly recommend you go read. It's fascinating. Obviously,

1191
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: it's someone that I had no idea about. He's no

1192
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: longer with us, he passed a couple of years ago,

1193
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: but his son's talking about him. There's unbelievable photos to

1194
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: that his son has been sharing because he was around

1195
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: MJ all the time. I mean, there's one lead that

1196
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: you've got to be envious. I don't know if you

1197
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: saw the article yet where he's like shooting hoops with MJ,

1198
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: like in a driveway or something like that.

1199
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 3: Man, No, I haven't said. No. Yeah, I got to

1200
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 3: go and check that out. Yeah.

1201
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: So it's a very very cool read. We get the

1202
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: Jordan Rules, the book by Sam Smith. There's a big

1203
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: part of this episode too of what happened when that

1204
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: came out and sort of the backlash to Sam Smith,

1205
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: who was getting like death threats and really though who

1206
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: was the snitch? Because Sam Smith is like tapped in

1207
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: in this book. I'm sure a lot of you have

1208
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: read it, and he's like, where was he getting all

1209
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: this locker room information? And we're told it's Horris Grant,

1210
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: though he says not so much. And then, of course

1211
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: there have been rumors forever that it was really Phil

1212
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: Jackson right feeding a lot of this stuff, Trey, what

1213
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: are you want? Member of the Jordan Rules?

1214
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 4: Exactly what you're mentioning.

1215
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 5: As far as I've ever known, it was always Horace

1216
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 5: Grant and Phil Jackson. Surely there are more people who

1217
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 5: are giving little tidbits here and there. But reading the book,

1218
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 5: you know, it comes out very positive for both Horace

1219
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 5: Grant and Phil Jackson, So you have to imagine that's

1220
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 5: where some of a lot of the information is coming from.

1221
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,479
Speaker 5: I didn't think it was a coincidence that Phil didn't

1222
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 5: really give much of an answer about that last night.

1223
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 5: And you know, the guy has a long history of

1224
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 5: politic in the background, which is exactly how he got

1225
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 5: the job with the Bulls in the first place. So

1226
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 5: to me, Phil Jackson is the major source on the

1227
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 5: Jordan Rules, but I think there's a lot of Horace Grant.

1228
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 5: Despite what he was saying.

1229
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 3: In the Horace Grant denial was just as unconvincing as

1230
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 3: Jordan's about Isaiah Thomas earlier. Earlier on the night the

1231
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 3: Big Smile not me. He was trying to basically, yeah,

1232
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 3: not say Phil Jackson's name, but throw everyone else under

1233
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 3: the bus as well, and it didn't didn't work all

1234
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 3: that well. And the fact that Horace, you know, I mean,

1235
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 3: players move on, of course, but he left after those

1236
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 3: three championships I think somewhat into Twinda though. You know,

1237
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 3: Horace and Phil Jackson reconnected it with the Lakers too

1238
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 3: down the track, so that certainly gives a little bit

1239
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 3: more evidence to the fact that those two probably had

1240
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 3: some influence on that book.

1241
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: I like that it's a it's slipped in there that

1242
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: if it is maybe Phil Jackson, and I'm agreeing with

1243
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: you guys. I believe he was definitely giving stuff to

1244
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: Sam Smith. But it was like a chess move, like

1245
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: he's ten steps ahead of everything, Phil Jackson, because he's like,

1246
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: I'll give this information to Sam Smith, he'll write this book,

1247
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: and in doing so, this book will actually bring us

1248
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: closer together as a team, oddly, and that will then,

1249
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, be the motivation for MJ specifically to go

1250
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: win another championship. It's like, come on, maybe maybe he's

1251
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: that brilliant. I almost hope he is in a weird way,

1252
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: but he's just he's just seeing seeing things again like

1253
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: years ahead of where everybody is at that moment.

1254
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 3: I'm doing what I'm doing. I'm doing all this sneaky stuff,

1255
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 3: but it's for the big picture to help us. That's yeah,

1256
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 3: that's the plan here, and it worked. So yeah, that

1257
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 3: was right. I told you I knew it all along.

1258
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I mean, but Sam Smith says in this

1259
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: dark he says something along those lines, like it he

1260
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: maybe that's Sam Smith trying to take some credit for

1261
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, the the third Championship and in the first

1262
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: three p but like that probably it fired up MG.

1263
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 3: It's like, well, yeah, if you believe that, then you

1264
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 3: could say that Jerry Krause secretly tried to motivate Michael

1265
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 3: Jordan by by putting so much love into Tony Kok

1266
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 3: coach and Dan Marley. You know, I knew, I knew

1267
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 3: Jerry Krause love Dan Marley, So I want to go

1268
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 3: out there and destroy him. Jerry Krouse sitting back in

1269
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 3: my plans working Perth.

1270
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: We uh, not long after that whole part, we get

1271
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: the unbelievable Bulls Highlights montage of that Wicked season that

1272
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: they had set to ninety by nature.

1273
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 6: And.

1274
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: I got a little emotional seeing our boy dj Ronnie

1275
00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: Syclely get dunked on. But that was the music. The

1276
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: music in the last two episodes of the music in the

1277
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: entire series has been phenomenal. I know there's a Last

1278
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: Dance Spotify playlist with all the songs they're playing, but

1279
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: I thought these two especially, and maybe I'm loving these

1280
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: last two episodes. I started to think about it while

1281
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: we're talking here. Maybe the reason I'm really in love

1282
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: with them not just the subject matter, because yeah, there's

1283
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: some of the controversies coming up, and I know we'll

1284
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: get into the gambling in Atlantic City in that, but

1285
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: this is when, I mean, really, when I started to

1286
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: watch these games, right these as a you know, a

1287
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen year old in ninety two, ninety three, when

1288
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: I became a basketball fan, It's like now I'm remembering

1289
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: the Bulls Knick's rivalry. I remember staying up watching these games,

1290
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: and I'm remembering a Maud Rashad talking to them there

1291
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: and stuff like, I think, maybe that's why it's really

1292
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm hitting. These ones are hitting even closer to home

1293
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: for me, just the nostalgia factor. I don't know if

1294
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: you guys think the same way.

1295
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 3: Well, certainly. I think this gives white to the fact

1296
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 3: that having a good Knicks team and having the garden

1297
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 3: rocking is great for the NBA. I mean, I thought

1298
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 3: that environment there, with all this celebrities watching and just

1299
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 3: the atmosphere that it created is what you want to

1300
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 3: see when you go to the Madison Square Garden. You know,

1301
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 3: you don't want the team to be terrible and the

1302
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 3: fans booing from the start and they're just not even

1303
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 3: competitive at any point during the season. I think to

1304
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 3: go into a place like that and seeing the Knicks really,

1305
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 3: you know, roughing up teams as well who came in there,

1306
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 3: you know, throwing their weight around, that's what you want

1307
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 3: to see. That's what you expect from the biggest, you know,

1308
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 3: one of the biggest markets in the NBA. And so that,

1309
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 3: to me, I think is why people sort of talk

1310
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 3: about how, you know, nostalgic the Knicks being good were,

1311
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 3: you know, because they were tough and they were rough,

1312
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 3: and you know, they're well coached and had star players

1313
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 3: and they had exciting players to watch. And it just

1314
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 3: feels like we haven't seen anything like that from the

1315
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 3: Knicks for years, you know, I mean, they've they've made

1316
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 3: the playoffs, of course, but we haven't seen, you know,

1317
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 3: the sort of really tough, physical Knicks teams that intimidate opponents.

1318
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 3: And obviously Jordan wins in the end, but it's not

1319
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 3: as though Jordan just went in there and blew these

1320
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 3: teams away without them even putting up a fight.

1321
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were just the Knicks were such act foil

1322
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 5: for the Bulls and that, you know, it seemed like

1323
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 5: they weren't going to be able to beat him skills wise,

1324
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 5: but maybe they would be able to if they roughed

1325
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 5: him up, because we had seen that work in the

1326
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 5: past with the Bulls. But I'm just watching this thinking,

1327
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 5: this is where Dave Grisham got it. This is where

1328
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 5: he got going forehead to forehead because it happens all

1329
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 5: the time so many guys. That was just the way

1330
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 5: to beef in the nineties. You were allowed to touch

1331
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 5: each other up a little bit. But I don't know,

1332
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 5: it just reminds me so much of how much I

1333
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 5: hated John Starks and like how crazy it was that

1334
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 5: that guy ended up on the Bulls for a handful

1335
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 5: of games eventually.

1336
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 4: But I was bringing memories flooding back, no doubt.

1337
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: Oh, Yeah, we get X Man versus MJ. Starks versus

1338
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: MJ a couple of times, Oakley versus Pippin, there's Ewing

1339
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: versus Stacy King, there's Anthony Mason throwing around bodies. Yeah,

1340
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: this this whole.

1341
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like Scott Williams.

1342
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 5: I remember when Scott Williams started playing, and apparently it

1343
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 5: was just because he was a big guy.

1344
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 4: Who could smash into people.

1345
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1346
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 5: I didn't get it back then. I was like, oh man,

1347
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 5: this guy doesn't do anything but rebound out there.

1348
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 4: He's there to fight.

1349
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: And they had to use or I mean, I think

1350
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: it was a smart decision by the filmmakers to use

1351
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: the ninety three series here we were talking about this

1352
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: earlier with the Bulls in the Knicks, because we get

1353
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: to then spin into the Jordan's Atlantic City Caper as

1354
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: newspapers kept calling it. Did you notice that it was

1355
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: always a caper?

1356
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 4: What a caper?

1357
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,479
Speaker 1: It was like, was that a thing we were saying

1358
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: in the nineties, But it was making me angry? Yeah,

1359
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: it's perfect because it's just so crazy to think nowadays

1360
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: the bulls are down two to oh and it's maybe

1361
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: like the story is of course, on first take. It's like, oh,

1362
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: he's gone to Atlantic City and he's there till two

1363
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: thirty are reports and MJ saying, now, it wasn't that late.

1364
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: It was like twelve or one. I like that little part.

1365
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: But this was a cool part of the doc. I thought,

1366
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 1: bring the way a nice way. Especially we already saw

1367
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: the little quarters action with the sniff brothers there. But

1368
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: now the real gambling addiction that he has, I mean,

1369
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: and it's it hasn't buried him, So I don't know.

1370
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: Can you call it an addiction if you're not If

1371
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: it's not hurting you, that's it's up for interpretation. But

1372
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: obviously love to gamble on everything, and we get into

1373
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: that whole slim thing where he had to pay off

1374
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: fifty seven thousand dollars in debt and then other ones

1375
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: and just this he'd just bet on everything, golf and

1376
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: cards and throwing quarters for crying out loud, and to

1377
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: the point where his excuse for leaving, you know, New

1378
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: York City in the middle of the East Finals is

1379
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: because I want to get away from it. And so

1380
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: he goes with his family and his dad included, who

1381
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: then handles the media after to gamble. Can you imagine

1382
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: this happening now. It's like mind boggling.

1383
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1384
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 5: I mean, every once in a while you'll see like

1385
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 5: a player show up at Vegas during the season, right,

1386
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 5: and even then it's a huge deal just that somebody

1387
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 5: would be out late gambling and this happened in you know, one.

1388
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 4: Of the the closest.

1389
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 5: Moments that the balls were coming to losing during either

1390
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 5: of the dynasties.

1391
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 4: But I mean, it was honestly a huge story back

1392
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 4: then too.

1393
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 5: I recently watched Game six ninety three Eastern Conference Finals,

1394
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 5: and that's the first thing they lead with, like Marv

1395
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 5: Albert before talking game at all, They're talking about the

1396
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 5: Michael and Me book, And you know, how is it

1397
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 5: going to affect Jordan because he looked like he slowed down,

1398
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 5: no doubt, during Game two of the same playoff series.

1399
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 5: Very crazy stuff and also very funny that Jordan explains

1400
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 5: it away like trying to tell the most relatable story.

1401
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:14,479
Speaker 4: It's not a big deal.

1402
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 5: Me and my dad hired a Lemma, We drove to

1403
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 5: Atlantic City, we lost eighty thousand dollars and drove back

1404
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 5: at midnight, just like anybody would do.

1405
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 4: What's the big deal?

1406
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 3: It was a story a couple of years ago when

1407
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 3: Dema De Rosen and Kyle Lowry were walking through a

1408
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 3: Cleveland casino at like three in the morning, remember during

1409
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 3: the playoffs, and they weren't even gambling. They were just

1410
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 3: out because you know, their body clocks are on a

1411
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 3: different time schedule. But the gambling story is kind of

1412
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 3: fascinating to me because you know, everyone has a weakness

1413
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 3: and advice and Jordan gambled. He you know, he liked

1414
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 3: to gamble, he liked to compete, and he liked to

1415
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 3: put money on the line. But ultimately it didn't affect

1416
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 3: his family life as far as you know, he said

1417
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 3: he didn't have to sell my house and my watch.

1418
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 3: He wasn't out, you know until five in the morning,

1419
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 3: you know, just going crazy in a casino. He needed

1420
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 3: an outlet to get a way from the fishbowl of

1421
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 3: the life that he lived in. And you know, like

1422
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 3: he's got the money as well. David Audridge says there,

1423
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 3: like like Michael Jordan's good for the money. I mean,

1424
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 3: if he was gambling, you know, his entire salary away,

1425
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 3: or his endorsement checks and things like that, then it's

1426
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 3: a different story. But I think for the amount of

1427
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 3: money you're talking, even if you're talking one hundred thousand

1428
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 3: dollars to Michael Jordan. He's got that money, you know,

1429
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 3: and why would he go to a casino and just

1430
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 3: gamble on the hundred dollars tables? I mean, you know,

1431
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 3: when you're a celebrity of VP and you've got all

1432
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 3: that money, you want to go to where the high

1433
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 3: rollers go.

1434
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: So here's the counter to that, Thoughly, Okay, we've just

1435
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: proven that this guy gambles on everything. They're gambling on

1436
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: throwing a damn quarter against a wall, So is it

1437
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: the next logical jump to go, well, is he gambling

1438
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: on himself? Is he gambling on games that he's playing in?

1439
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, you can you can wonder if

1440
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 3: that's happening, But unless there's any sort of evidence to

1441
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 3: suggest that, then I think you have to again like

1442
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 3: like what would we rather am doing out drinking until

1443
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 3: you know, three o'clock in the morning, doing drugs, go

1444
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 3: to brothels, going to you know, strip parlors, and you know,

1445
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 3: like getting into more cedious behavior. If he's sitting at

1446
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 3: a table playing blackjack or poke or whatever he's playing,

1447
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 3: I think that is the least troublesome of the vices

1448
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 3: for a guy who you know, we know is competitive

1449
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 3: and he wants to escape. You go back to you know,

1450
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 3: when they're talking about Barcelona. He likes to gamble with

1451
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 3: those other guys as well on the team, so he

1452
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 3: needs some sort of outlet for him. And I think,

1453
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 3: I honestly think this sort of is overblown because again

1454
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 3: he goes out and wins a championship. You know, he's

1455
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 3: still the greatest player in the league. He comes back

1456
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 3: from a two zero deficit against those Nicks under all

1457
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 3: these you know, the criticism, yeah, scrutiny that he's under,

1458
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 3: and then he finally does talk to the meet because

1459
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 3: he freezes out the meter. He's like, leave me alone.

1460
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 3: He talks to Ammadraschard with sunglasses on. Mind. You would

1461
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 3: say he doesn't have a gambling problem. Now, maybe he

1462
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 3: does have some sort of gambling addiction there, but ultimately

1463
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 3: he overcame it because he was still able to dominate

1464
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 3: on the court and again his family was able to

1465
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 3: stay in place. So I think it sometimes more looked

1466
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 3: at us like, oh, look, how bad this guy is,

1467
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 3: you know, because he's a gambler. It's like, well, a

1468
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 3: lot of people gamble. A lot of people go to

1469
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 3: casinos and gab with money they don't have. Michael does

1470
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 3: have the money, so it's a it's an interesting storyline.

1471
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that the being super rich is really

1472
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 5: what helped him overcome this, because David Stern and his

1473
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 5: little thing talking about when they did an investigation, He's

1474
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 5: basically like, it never rose to a level that we

1475
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 5: were concerned about. And we heard that Michael Jordan had

1476
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 5: a million dollar gambling debt, and they were fine.

1477
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 4: With him having a million dollar gambling debt.

1478
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were fine, like I was saying, and

1479
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: I was just playing, you know, just playing Devil's Advocate

1480
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: there with you Lee. But the counter like that counter about, well, hey,

1481
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: why maybe he's gambling on game? Is he Pete Rose?

1482
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: You know, like I don't you know, the guy gambles

1483
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: on everything. Is it that far fetched to think he's

1484
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: gambling on himself to win, you know, like Pete Rose did?

1485
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,919
Speaker 1: But Stern is in this docu said it there trade

1486
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: he does say that too, right, like, not only were

1487
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: we not worried about how deep a debt he was

1488
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: in or how much he was gambling, but I guess

1489
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: they felt like he wasn't gambling on the NBA right,

1490
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,439
Speaker 1: or if he was, then that spins into the whole

1491
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: conspiracy of why he had to leave the game right

1492
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: for a couple of years.

1493
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1494
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 2: Well, of the only physical evidence that was found was

1495
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 2: that he signed a fifty seven thousand dollars check to

1496
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 2: a slim booler, the golf hustler. There's a good article

1497
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 2: on the The Athletic about that. And then the other guy,

1498
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 2: the other guy, Richard Asquenis, who claimed this was just

1499
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 2: a claim that he owed him one point two million,

1500
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,600
Speaker 2: which isn't a lot of money for Michael Joran when

1501
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 2: you actually think about the dollars, So is it an issue?

1502
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 2: I find the thing more fascinating was that between game

1503
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 2: one and Game two he needed to go cruise and

1504
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 2: get out and go to Atlantic City and hang out.

1505
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 2: The fact that everything was just getting to him mentally.

1506
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 2: How mentally strong a person he was, but these were

1507
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 2: things that were getting to him. And all of the

1508
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 2: off court stuff and the on court things he could

1509
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 2: deal with, but the off court stuff was what was

1510
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 2: pressing on him and led to him stepping away from

1511
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 2: the game. It sure felt like both times it was

1512
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 2: just he had enough, And so I find that part

1513
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 2: a pretty fascinating. And I also find this question fascinating

1514
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 2: that was happening during the Last Dance last night on Twitter.

1515
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 2: Is gambling a habit? Is it? Like, was not gambling

1516
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 2: a high habit? I'm sorry? Is gambling a hobby? Can

1517
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 2: you classify it as a hobby? Yeah?

1518
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: Because he says that, yeah.

1519
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can't call it a hobby.

1520
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 3: It's what's the difference between a habit and a hobby?

1521
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 2: That, my, my misspoke, is the difference? I just it.

1522
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 2: Can you class is it a hobby? Is it darts?

1523
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 2: Is it something? Is it?

1524
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 3: Like? I think it depends again, like what sort of

1525
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 3: control you have over it? And you know the fact

1526
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 3: that Jordan went to the casino says, oh, it's a

1527
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 3: it's a bad look. But as far as we know,

1528
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 3: he didn't regularly go to casinos and lose hundreds of

1529
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 3: thousands of dollars. He went again, you mentioned between games

1530
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 3: one and two that had a loss. He was feeling

1531
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 3: the overwhelming pressure from the media and he needed an

1532
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 3: outlet and went there.

1533
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 2: So to me, we have no idea how often he went.

1534
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 3: I mean, well, but it's not it's not. I mean,

1535
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 3: you would think it would have been reporters like, oh,

1536
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 3: he's in the casinos again, you know, like, rather than

1537
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 3: this one particular time. I'm sure. I'm sure he went

1538
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 3: more than we do know, but I don't think it

1539
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 3: was the sort of thing that he was doing, like

1540
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 3: every time he turned up in the city, he's like, right,

1541
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 3: I've got to hit the casino tonight. I think that

1542
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 3: would have been reported.

1543
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fair. Get I guess Vince Carter was killed

1544
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 2: for getting on a plane before a basketball game to

1545
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 2: go graduate and MJ is lighted for I guess he

1546
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 2: wasn't lighted at the time he was. He was ridiculed

1547
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 2: that it was the story of the day. Admirev with

1548
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 2: that beautiful hair flowing before the game was commenting on

1549
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 2: that that was the story of the day for sure.

1550
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 2: Before Game two and then Game three, until MJ turned

1551
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,679
Speaker 2: it around. People just wanted to find us the reason.

1552
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 2: Like you mentioned first take skis that exactly what people

1553
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 2: were looking for. They wanted to find the reason for

1554
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 2: the fall of MJ because he was the king of

1555
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 2: the king of the NBA at that point.

1556
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 1: But that's an interesting Vince comparison because if Vince hits

1557
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: the shot to beat the Sixers and they go to

1558
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:16,799
Speaker 1: the finals. Then the story completely changes, right, It's like, wow,

1559
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: he's a hero, that's so admirable. He went he got

1560
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: on a plane the same day, went and graduated and

1561
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: then came back and was the you know, hits the

1562
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: game winner and is you know, is the pride of

1563
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,799
Speaker 1: Canada and is an NBA star. Like it's so funny.

1564
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: It's like the same thing happens, Like Jordan is easily

1565
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: ridiculed way more if he doesn't score fifty four points

1566
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: in game four and they don't come back and Charles

1567
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 1: Smith can hit a layup or whatever, you know what

1568
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean. Like then people are like, oh, yeah, he

1569
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: Then it goes from it's a hobby or maybe it

1570
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: isn't you know, gambling, to he has a gambling problem.

1571
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: He put gambling and staying out at Atlantic City ahead

1572
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: of his team, right.

1573
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 2: Right, the story when the corridor is in the air.

1574
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it, man, that's it, right, the story when

1575
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: the limo's halfway to Atlantic City. But no, I think

1576
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: that is fascinating.

1577
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and it's totally true. It's the revisionist history.

1578
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 2: Depending on what happened. What the outcome is, Yeah, but

1579
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 2: also interesting that he brings his dad and also Dolores

1580
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 2: Jordan in the first episode was talking about the Nike

1581
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 2: contract and she forced MJ to go to Nike and

1582
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 2: have that conversation. Just interesting that a full grown ass

1583
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 2: man listening to both of his parents and those are

1584
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 2: the two people. He definitely definitely listened to it. And

1585
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 2: the effect that they had, and the effect that Dolores

1586
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 2: Jordan has on the internet. Everybody wants to know her

1587
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 2: skincare routine because she's looking glorious every time she shows up.

1588
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: Glory's not smoking cigars. I'll tell you that.

1589
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 4: Lee.

1590
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: Let me let me ask the question. Game five of

1591
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,959
Speaker 1: that ninety three East Finals was Charles Smith.

1592
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 3: Felt no, no, no, what he's the first one, got

1593
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 3: stripped on the second one and then sort of just

1594
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 3: bubble that third one.

1595
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 5: Really so the third one is the most the most questionable.

1596
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,839
Speaker 5: But honestly, I mean, you don't see Knicks fans complaining

1597
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 5: because they know what they were doing to the bulls

1598
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 5: on the other side.

1599
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 4: You're not getting that call, that's right.

1600
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 1: I think that's not on there tray.

1601
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1602
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So after that series, we we we get to

1603
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: that golf scene the one week until the playoffs, we

1604
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: see them golfing, We see MJ stinking at golf. We

1605
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: already talked about that. You you did say at the

1606
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: end of episode five, we got that funny line from

1607
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: Jerry Seinfeld saying, Hey, Phil, I loved in this one.

1608
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: When we heard MJ say, come on, Ron Harper, he went,

1609
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: n Harper, Was there another Ron like around there?

1610
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 4: Like that was I don't know Harp? Yeah, that was funny.

1611
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 5: And then he had Ron Harper basically sit on his

1612
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 5: lap to ride to the golf course. That was the

1613
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 5: get the gang going for golf was a very funny

1614
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 5: scene too, hearing Dennis Robins say not go in to

1615
01:13:55,360 --> 01:14:00,080
Speaker 5: Hooters love the wings, I mean cams.

1616
01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: To yeah, and then there and then like yeah, that

1617
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: was cool footage. You're right like where they're trying to

1618
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 1: get to the bus and Pippin's trying to be asked

1619
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: from camera crews like hey, can I can ask you

1620
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: a couple of questions and MJ's like, no, we got

1621
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 1: tea time. Let's go. Let's go to the point where

1622
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: he gets on the bus. They've managed to stop Pippin

1623
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: because he's too nice, I guess, and you know they

1624
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: want to ask him questions and all that, and Jordan

1625
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 1: just lays on the horn. That is amazing. I've never

1626
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 1: seen that. That is so funny and great.

1627
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 4: Do you know how to put it in the gear?

1628
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see.

1629
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, But that's another interesting thing, Lee is like you,

1630
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 5: you're right. We probably would have heard if Jordan was

1631
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 5: showing up to casinos and you know, people would have

1632
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 5: stories about it. But there were a lot of stories

1633
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 5: about Michael Jordan going golfing on the days of games,

1634
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,919
Speaker 5: you know, playing thirty six fifty four holes.

1635
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 4: He's gambling when he's golfing there.

1636
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I want to know more about how you

1637
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,719
Speaker 3: hustle someone in golf, you know, because like like Slimim

1638
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 3: Slim looked like exactly what I imagined a golf hustler

1639
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 3: to look like too, by the way, But I want

1640
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:05,759
Speaker 3: to know, and I read that article on the Athletic

1641
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 3: here this morning. I just want to know, like what

1642
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 3: do you what do you do? Okay? Who hits at

1643
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 3: the furthest closest to the pin? You know? Like all right,

1644
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 3: you know, do you talk in trash of someone? Like

1645
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 3: I bet you can't hit the fairway on this hole,

1646
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 3: on this on this t shot, and if it goes off,

1647
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,839
Speaker 3: you lose. And just then seeing how you know, Jordan

1648
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 3: would try to win his money back as well, like okay,

1649
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 3: all right, double or nothing on this one. I'm going

1650
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:26,640
Speaker 3: to get a I'm going to get a birdie on

1651
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 3: this hole or something like that.

1652
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 1: I just i'd love to see.

1653
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 3: I think there's a whole documentary there on golf hustlers.

1654
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's got to be, because apparently Slim just

1655
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 3: taught himself how to play golf and then and then

1656
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 3: through hustling other players, he was able to build up

1657
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 3: a fortune and massive fortune. Eventually went to prison for

1658
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 3: money laundering and things like that, but he still was

1659
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 3: able to at least get onto the onto the course

1660
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 3: and take money from a high roller. So I want

1661
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 3: to know more about that. Oh, you're interested in becoming

1662
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 3: a golf hustler. Well, you know, I mean, I know

1663
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 3: how basketball hustling works. I just got to see the golf.

1664
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 3: It's just like, what do you doing? You just say,

1665
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 3: I bet you, I bet you a thousand bucks. You're

1666
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 3: not going to hit the green on this shot from

1667
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 3: the drop from the fairway. Is that is that how

1668
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 3: it works?

1669
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: So you want like it sounds like you want a

1670
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 1: white man can't jump version of gold.

1671
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, because I'm.

1672
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 2: Sure there's some best ball in there, just like the quarter.

1673
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 2: Just get it closer to the hole first on the green.

1674
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 3: But when everything in golf, according to the article on

1675
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 3: the Athletics today, when Slim went to court, he was

1676
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 3: dressed in his golf gear and had his bag there

1677
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 3: because he wanted to sort of let the jury know

1678
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 3: that that's what he does. That's that's how he makes

1679
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 3: his income. So yeah, that's incredible.

1680
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: I don't have to read that called the Athletic dropping

1681
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: incredible stuff here. So we're almost done here. We get

1682
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: we get the ninety three finals. We get a basically

1683
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 1: Tony Kuk coach two point zero. Poor Dan Marley like

1684
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 1: he's just he gets lit up again just by Jerry

1685
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: Krauss association, because Krauss thinks Dan Marley is talented and

1686
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: he was, and thinks he's solid defender, which he I

1687
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: guess was, And Jordan finds out that and says, nope,

1688
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna light his ass up, and uh, you know,

1689
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: we get we get at least the son's putting up

1690
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 1: a fight in this finals. I like the any any

1691
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: Barkley is great for documentaries, so we get a little

1692
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: bit more of that. And we also we got the

1693
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 1: most polite heckle from a kid ever, where he said,

1694
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:21,719
Speaker 1: don't take it personally, Charles.

1695
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 3: That kid, that kid grew up to be the father

1696
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 3: of the good job, good ethic kid.

1697
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right. We should write the most tough, live,

1698
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: polite heckles of all time. I'm sure there's an article there,

1699
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 1: but anything from the ninety three finals that stuck out

1700
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 1: to you guys, or anything else from this episode.

1701
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 5: One thing I wish they would have included in the

1702
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 5: ninety three finals is Charles Barkley hired like a notorious heckler,

1703
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 5: Robin Thicker to come to Game one just to heckle Jordan.

1704
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 5: He sat like right behind the balls bench, but he

1705
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 5: got kicked out by the end.

1706
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 4: Of the first quarter. So would I great to hear

1707
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 4: what that guy was actually saying.

1708
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 5: But I mostly remember uh Dan Marley factor, because I

1709
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 5: remember people talking Marley up coming into the ninety three

1710
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 5: finals and how he's gonna make it tough on Jordan,

1711
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 5: and then I also remember watching the game so many

1712
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 5: times and you can see Marley in the background of

1713
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 5: Jordan as he goes by him. You can see him

1714
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 5: yelling help in slow mo. It's like a little too

1715
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 5: late there, budd. He also has the huge air ball

1716
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 5: right at the end of Game six, and then you know,

1717
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 5: come Championship parade time, the super fans are there and

1718
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 5: they're talking about how about that Dan majorly guess he

1719
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 5: majorly missed that jump chat there.

1720
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 4: That's just a joke that has stuck with me.

1721
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 5: For I guess twenty seven years at this point.

1722
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 4: So I don't know.

1723
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 5: Dan Marley finally started to win me back when he

1724
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:41,600
Speaker 5: caught that baseball that bounced.

1725
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,799
Speaker 4: Up bare handed. Other than that, I was anti Marley.

1726
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just a crazy ending to that series.

1727
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:52,719
Speaker 2: It's they're in Phoenix, they're up in the fourth quarter

1728
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 2: with forty five seconds left, They're up four points, and

1729
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 2: a misshot by the Suns turns into a basket the

1730
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 2: other away and then they just there's trall apart. They're

1731
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 2: up with forty five seconds left. The Bulls had a

1732
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 2: twelve point fourth quarter and won the championship on the road,

1733
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 2: and so Phoenix just finds a way to take care

1734
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 2: of that fourth quarter. Then they got Game seven at home.

1735
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 2: It was it was it was awesome, It was fun,

1736
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:19,679
Speaker 2: and it was it was good to see. I figured

1737
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 2: that Charles might throw his teammates under the bus a

1738
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 2: little bit, maybe just a touch. I mean, he was

1739
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 2: he was obviously a great team guy. But it didn't

1740
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 2: call out his boys whatsoever. Yeah, and Barkley, I thought

1741
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 2: it could have got a little bit more of that

1742
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 2: in the ninety two Dream Team credit, like he was

1743
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 2: the best player out there, But that also didn't happen

1744
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 2: in this doc.

1745
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, and in that game six two, in that fourth quarter,

1746
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 3: the only points by a non Jordan Bull in the

1747
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 3: fourth quarter is the packs and three, which is which

1748
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 3: is pretty crazy that you know, they were leading going

1749
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 3: into the quarter couldn't score. And then it's incredible that

1750
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,679
Speaker 3: the Suns couldn't just hang on because a Game seven

1751
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 3: at home would have been incredible in that series. But

1752
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 3: it did turn out to be a good series, even

1753
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 3: though you know, the Bulls were up three one and

1754
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 3: the fans were ready to celebrate there in Chicago, and

1755
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 3: you talked about their skits that Charles has that great

1756
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 3: little comment after game five, you know where, what do

1757
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 3: you have to say to the Bulls fans and I

1758
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 3: take that Take all that stuff down, Take all the signs. Yeah,

1759
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 3: take all the signs down, because they were they were

1760
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 3: ready to celebrate that night.

1761
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 1: I also hope Dreamond Green has been watching these episodes,

1762
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 1: especially episode six where we're seeing obviously m VP Charles Barkley.

1763
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 1: M yeah, you're not as good as him. Man, You're

1764
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: not even close. Charles Barkley was a problem. And I

1765
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 1: thought that was cool too, when you find when even

1766
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: Charles is like, damn, I thought I was the best

1767
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:48,640
Speaker 1: player in the world. Yeah, and he's like, maybe I'm not.

1768
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: I think it is Michael Jordan, but yeah, I mean

1769
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 1: he's just Barkley was incredible, just incredible.

1770
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, the and one with the two hands up

1771
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 5: to celebrate a classic celebration back in the day. But Tass,

1772
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 5: you mentioned that layup right at the end. I just

1773
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 5: remember thinking at the time, once Jordan got that layup,

1774
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 5: I'm like, they're gonna win. They're gonna win this game

1775
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 5: because that was such an easy layup for there to

1776
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 5: be less than a minute in the game. He goes

1777
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,560
Speaker 5: coast to coast and basically nobody touches it and just

1778
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:18,639
Speaker 5: goes around to guys.

1779
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 4: Flash forward to ninety eight.

1780
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:24,719
Speaker 5: Jordan, out of a timeout gets a super easy layup

1781
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 5: against the Utah Jazz in game six. You know, not

1782
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 5: the strip, but the one before that where he just

1783
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 5: gets it at the top, goes right around Russell for

1784
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:31,759
Speaker 5: a layup.

1785
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 4: They looked almost the.

1786
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 5: Exact same the way they finish. That's when I knew

1787
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 5: the Balls were gonna win that one in game six.

1788
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 2: It happens to teams in finals. They're just not ready

1789
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:40,640
Speaker 2: to close it out. I mean we've seen it to

1790
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 2: just they just stopped. The Phoenix just stopped playing. They

1791
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 2: had a lead, and yeah, they let MJ go coast

1792
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 2: to coast. We were there for the Raptors Game five,

1793
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:53,959
Speaker 2: just forgot to close out a game there. The Thunder

1794
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,679
Speaker 2: should have closed out the Warriors in twenty sixteen, there

1795
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:03,480
Speaker 2: didn't happen that the winners at least have that mental advantage,

1796
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 2: like we're gonna close this game out at the very least.

1797
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 2: You see it from time to time. Yeah, that layup

1798
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 2: was was bonkers.

1799
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 1: My only random observation. Maybe you guys have more, but

1800
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 1: I guess it's a question, TK, did you ever consider

1801
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 1: or will you ever consider getting a two tray vanity plate.

1802
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 4: I'm moving back to Illinois again, the old school plate.

1803
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 4: That was amazing.

1804
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 5: That was like the most Illinois scene that I had

1805
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 5: seen in this documentary so far. Michael Jordan's sitting in

1806
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 5: the rain in traffic on ninety ninety four, not able

1807
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 5: to even get anywhere, and he's just so mad. He's like, Oh,

1808
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 5: I'm never gonna get to work. That's what it seemed

1809
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 5: like to me. He was just sitting in traffic trying

1810
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 5: to get to work. I'm like, I've sat there before.

1811
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 3: Bro.

1812
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 5: I only ever saw Ozzie Gean pull up a next

1813
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 5: pull up next side.

1814
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 4: Of me on a Chicago freeway.

1815
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 5: But it's great to know that Jordan might have been

1816
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 5: out there rocking the two tray.

1817
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 4: The guy loved his vanity plates.

1818
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 3: And that's when he had the cigar in the car

1819
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 3: with a Madra shot on the white like wow.

1820
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 2: Not know that he.

1821
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,640
Speaker 3: Comes into the arena, he has got his beautiful suit on.

1822
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 3: He just reeks of cigars. The other guys in the

1823
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 3: locker room, it's like, oh, man, get away from me.

1824
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 4: It stinks.

1825
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 2: To know and smoke in Australia. I mean this is

1826
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 2: like revelatory to you.

1827
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 3: Not cigars prior to a game in the car. You know,

1828
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 3: when you had a camera crew, you would think at

1829
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 3: least to go a you know what, I got the

1830
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 3: camera crew, I might just not have the cigar today.

1831
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:29,639
Speaker 3: But instead it's like, no, this is what I do.

1832
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 3: Enjoy it everyone.

1833
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: It is funny to think we talked about this in

1834
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 1: some of the previous episodes of our recaps, but like

1835
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 1: if this was airing when it was originally scheduled to air,

1836
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: which was during the finals, and like on the off nights,

1837
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: and let's say Lebron when the Lakers are in the finals,

1838
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: it would just be like, I just can't I'm trying

1839
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 1: to wrap my head around. Of course, there's still comparisons

1840
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 1: going on. Don't get me wrong. It's not like that's

1841
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 1: been muted or quieted or anything, but you know how

1842
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 1: ramped up they would be. Where all we talked about

1843
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: is Lebron is no one treats his body. Any athlete

1844
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: treats his body better than Lebron James and puts more

1845
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 1: money into how he takes care of his body and

1846
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 1: all that, and like the opposite of that is MJ

1847
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 1: smoking cigars four seven. And then there's like, oh, you know,

1848
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 1: like the whole gambling thing, the whole being you know,

1849
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 1: opinionator or an activist of some sort of standing for

1850
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: something and putting it out there. That's that's Lebron. Like,

1851
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 1: we applaud Lebron, and he takes a lot of flag

1852
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 1: for it too, but for the most part of it's applauded.

1853
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: He's got principal he lets you know it, doesn't care

1854
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: if he's gonna lose dollars on it. And then you

1855
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 1: would be comparing that to this to MJ back in

1856
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 1: the nineties. I mean, it would just be cranked up

1857
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: to one hundred if this was going on during the finals,

1858
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 1: right and he was there and.

1859
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 5: Lebron was in the final, All right, Yeah, I mean

1860
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 5: it's it's very strange to go back and you know,

1861
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 5: watch them talk about Jordan's dignity and class now knowing

1862
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 5: the entirety of Jordan's personality, or at least more of

1863
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,759
Speaker 5: Jordan's personality than they let you in on in the nineties.

1864
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's crazy to think what Lebron would be

1865
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 5: like in that era, not just from a basketball standpoint,

1866
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 5: But from a dealing with the media standpoint, Yeah, yeah, JD.

1867
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: Anything you wanted to add to the last two episodes

1868
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:13,599
Speaker 1: we saw here?

1869
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 6: No, I mean I really enjoyed the nostalgia as well,

1870
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 6: even from a non basketball perspective, the shout out to

1871
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 6: stereo mcs and it's great being back in the nineties.

1872
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 6: You know, I just love it.

1873
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 3: All right.

1874
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: Well, let's call it there. That's what we thought. Let's

1875
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,600
Speaker 1: hear from you, guys about the last two episodes of

1876
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 1: The Last Dance. Email us No Dunks at the Athletic

1877
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: dot Com or tweet at us at No Dunks, Inc.

1878
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 1: Do you think these have been the best two episodes

1879
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 1: so far of the ten part documentary series. Well, let's

1880
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 1: hear from you. We got a bunch of new podcasts

1881
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: lined up this week, so make sure you subscribe to

1882
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 1: the show wherever you get your pods. Tomorrow, it's the

1883
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: mighty return of Who Wants Some Trivia? Trey? It's your

1884
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: turn in the pressure cooker? Are you ready?

1885
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 4: I hope so. I've been waiting for this all season long.

1886
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 1: We'll also have an interview with NBA photographer Nathaniel Butler.

1887
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: We've got that lined up obviously has taken some iconic

1888
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 1: NBA photos, a lot of them about Michael Jordan. We're

1889
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 1: gonna hit the beach on Wednesday to answer your questions

1890
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 1: and comments, so get them in. Thursday, we'll recap the

1891
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 1: penultimate episode of Survivor Winners at War with a new

1892
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 1: No Buffs pod. Yes, only two episodes remains. We'll break

1893
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: that down on Thursday. And then Friday Film Session. We've

1894
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 1: already locked it in. We're watching and reviewing Above the Rim,

1895
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 1: a classic nineties basketball movie. It just has got put

1896
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 1: up to Netflix, so if you've got Netflix, it's going

1897
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: to be a free watch for you. Has everybody seen

1898
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 1: Above the Room. It's one of my favorite movies of

1899
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 1: all time from the nineties.

1900
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 6: Never seen, Never seen it, Jae, I don't know anything

1901
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 6: about it.

1902
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 3: Lee, No, I haven't seen it.

1903
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Okay, this is fantastic, tastight time. You've

1904
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 1: seen Above the Room.

1905
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 2: I've seen Above the Rim.

1906
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:56,639
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, well this will be fun then

1907
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 1: with some new viewers here Above the Rim. That is

1908
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: our Friday film Session. All right, Clipper bros.

1909
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 4: You heard it here first. Have a great time. Turn up.

1910
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 4: Love you guys, awesome.

1911
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,879
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, and remember sports are like a gunfight,

1912
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 2: and the sun's lost to the fastest gun.

1913
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 1: Brace the day, people, you could stay every day.

1914
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 3: My dad be happy every minute.

1915
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 1: It's been so long that your no funa wait for

1916
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 1: it's happened already.

1917
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:34,839
Speaker 2: It's gonna be goody