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Speaker 1: Heads up.

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Speaker 2: This series contains graphic descriptions of violence. There's a saying

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Speaker 2: I heard on a recent trip to the South, A

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Speaker 2: half truth is a whole lie. And if there's a

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Speaker 2: place that breathes life into that proverb, it's the town

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Speaker 2: of Mayfield in Graves County, Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: A horrific murder went unsolved for six years in Mayfield, Kentucky,

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Speaker 1: a town of ten thousand people.

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Speaker 3: Then one local resident decided to take matters into her

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Speaker 3: own hands.

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Speaker 2: On August first, two thousand, the body of Jessica Current

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Speaker 2: was found outside of the Mayfield Middle School. It appeared

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Speaker 2: as though she'd been beaten and set on fire. Jessica

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Speaker 2: was just eighteen years old, a new mom, and the

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Speaker 2: daughter of a lieutenant with the Mayfield Fire Department, and

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Speaker 2: her case would go unsolved for years.

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Speaker 4: When police in Mayfield, Kentucky found a body, Susan Gaalbreth

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Speaker 4: found a purpose. She had to know who murdered Jessica.

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Speaker 2: Current, until a local homemaker and a handful of girls

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Speaker 2: came forward with a story, a story that police would

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Speaker 2: use to convict six people, lending Susan galbreath in the

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Speaker 2: newspapers and the radio and on National TV.

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Speaker 4: Galbreath was a housewife, married three times and drifting. She

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Speaker 4: had no law enforcement training and she'd never even met

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Speaker 4: Jessica Current. But whatever grabbed her wouldn't let go.

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Speaker 5: Somebody had to do something, and if somebody was me,

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Speaker 5: so be it.

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Speaker 2: Years later, the Kentucky Attorney General would even honor Susan

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Speaker 2: with an Outstanding Citizen Award for finding the key witness

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Speaker 2: in the Jessica Current case.

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Speaker 1: It's a made for TV story.

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Speaker 2: Ordinary woman, help solve murder, brings justice to a small town.

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Speaker 4: Susan Galbreth was named Citizen of the Year. But the

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Speaker 4: Kentucky Bureau of Investigation and to.

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Speaker 6: Know that I had just the slightest part and it

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Speaker 6: just I feel like I was meant to.

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Speaker 4: Susan Gallabreath has done more than just proved one person

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Speaker 4: really can make a difference through sheer, persistence and nerve.

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Speaker 4: This Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica.

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Speaker 2: Cur Catnip for the press, and who could blame them?

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Speaker 2: It's a good one, maybe too good to be true,

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Speaker 2: because this story will go beyond one woman. It's about

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Speaker 2: the lengths our legal system, our communities, and the press

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Speaker 2: will go in order to find someone to blame. And

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Speaker 2: it's about the tales we tell and choose to believe

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Speaker 2: in pursuit of justice, the repercussions of which have uprooted lives,

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Speaker 2: shattered families, and exposed a deep rot in Kentucky's halls

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Speaker 2: of power. This is Graves County, Chapter one, Something Stinks.

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Speaker 2: My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer winning journalist

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Speaker 2: and producer who has spent years reporting on the criminal

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Speaker 2: legal system. That's how I first heard about this case

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Speaker 2: and about Susan Gallbreath. I didn't get a chance to

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Speaker 2: meet Susan in person. She died in twenty eighteen at

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Speaker 2: the age of fifty eight. A lot of what I've

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Speaker 2: learned about Susan comes from her interviews with the press

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Speaker 2: and her own writings emails I've had the chance to review,

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Speaker 2: of Jessica Curran.

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Speaker 5: When I was a child, I either wanted to be

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Speaker 5: a comedian or a police officer. So I'm neither, of course,

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Speaker 5: But I've just always had a fascination with the law.

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Speaker 5: On things like that.

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Speaker 2: Susan Gallbreath was born in Chicago, and moved to Mayfield,

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Speaker 2: Kentucky in her early thirties. She liked living in a

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Speaker 2: a son she loved. But by the time her fortieth

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Speaker 2: birthday hit, Susan was in a rut. A self described

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Speaker 7: In nineteen ninety nine. I had the death of my brother, father,

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Speaker 2: Here, she is talking to a local public radio station

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Speaker 7: And I think that I've always felt that I was

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Speaker 7: meant to be there today that they've found Jessica's body,

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Speaker 2: In her telling, Susan was sitting at a restaurant on

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Speaker 2: only be described as spiritual, an epiphany of sorts. She

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Speaker 2: But time passed and the case went unsolved, and after

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Speaker 2: Susan says her curiosity turned into an obsession. If the

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Speaker 2: play detective and string tidbits of information together chase leads

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Speaker 2: find the truth. But this amateur sleuth needed help, so

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Speaker 2: she started emailing people important people like Oprah and Julia Roberts,

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Speaker 8: A federal investigation in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 2: And then on TV one day she saw a British

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Speaker 2: investigative journalist by the name of Tom mingled.

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Speaker 9: Bobbie revealing how they've blind to see the manipulated the

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Speaker 9: truth for forty years.

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Speaker 1: So she wrote him as well.

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Speaker 6: Date four four two thousand and four from Susan g

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Speaker 6: it chartered that net.

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Speaker 2: This is Susan reading part of that email for a

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Speaker 2: radio piece Tom produced for the BBC in twenty twelve.

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Speaker 2: It was a retrospective on the work Susan ended up

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Speaker 6: Hello, mister mangle, I am writing concerning a murder in

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Speaker 6: a small town in the state of Kentucky here in

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Speaker 6: the US. The victim a beautiful eighteen year old black girl.

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Speaker 2: Tom flew to Kentucky about a month after getting that

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Speaker 2: email in two thousand and four.

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Speaker 1: It was the beginning of a.

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Speaker 2: Year's long partnership with Susan and the launch of their investigation.

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Speaker 1: They were in duo.

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Speaker 2: Here are segments on how they describe each other in

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Speaker 2: Tom's radio piece.

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Speaker 6: When I first met Tom, I thought he was prim

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Speaker 6: and proper, like he had to stick up his ass.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he was just really formal, you know.

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Speaker 9: When I first met Susan, I liked her on site.

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Speaker 9: She's chubby, lively, great sense of humor, sexy, deep voice,

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Speaker 2: Tom, then in his late sixties, said he brought his

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Speaker 2: experience as a seasoned investigative reporter and taught Susan how

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Speaker 2: to parse gossip from truth. They drank bottles of Savignon

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Speaker 2: blanc together, Chase Leeds discuss theories, and eventually they pinpointed

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Speaker 1: Victoria Caldwell.

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Speaker 10: Doris Victoria Conwell and what did people call you?

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Speaker 6: Victoria?

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Speaker 2: She came forward saying she was an accomplice to the crimes,

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Speaker 11: So in July two thousand, were here, fifteen years old.

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Speaker 2: Victoria's account about what happened to Jessica Curran would be

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Speaker 5: Cavin devel Fersi's Quincy Omar Crouch.

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Speaker 1: This was the story Victoria told.

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Speaker 2: We've edited her statements for length and warning it contains

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Speaker 2: descriptions of physical and sexual violence.

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Speaker 5: Im go Victoria bad Will.

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Speaker 2: On a summer night in two thousand, Victoria says she

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Speaker 2: including Jessica Curran and Venetia Stubblefield, all of them teenagers

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Speaker 1: According to Victoria.

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Speaker 2: They eventually ended up in a car with some older kids,

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Speaker 2: all in the early twenties, including Victoria's cousin Tamra, Tamra's

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Speaker 10: Quincy started passing out the drugs.

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Speaker 1: She says, they did cocaine and other drugs in.

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Speaker 2: Tamra and Quincy were driving in the front with Jessica

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Speaker 10: Quincy and Tamra were rubbing on Jessica's legs. She was

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Speaker 10: Then when we got to the driveway of Jeff's house,

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Speaker 2: Quincy reached under this and then hit Jessica in the

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Speaker 2: After that, they drove to Jeff's house and they carried

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Speaker 2: raped and beat Jessica with the help of Tamera, and.

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Speaker 2: Jessica was in and out of consciousness, actually woke up.

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Speaker 10: She was saying like she wanted to go home. She

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Speaker 10: He hit her.

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Speaker 1: He hit her with a.

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Speaker 2: Quincy then started strangling Jessica with his leather belt.

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Speaker 10: He was just choking her. She just kept pulling, flowing,

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Speaker 10: Was he felt like Caro, like gasping for air. Did

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Speaker 1: But it didn't end there.

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Speaker 2: Victoria says that after Quincy killed Jessica, he ordered the

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Speaker 2: girls to have sex with her ravaged, lifeless body.

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Speaker 10: Told me that they had to do something.

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Speaker 2: She describes the sexual acts in lurid detail, but I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to share those specifics here.

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Speaker 1: It's gruesome perform sexual.

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Speaker 3: Acts on Jessica Current's body.

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Speaker 2: Yes, according to the prosecution, this would implicate them all

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Speaker 2: in the murder and ensure their silence after it was

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Speaker 2: all done, Victoria says they wrapped Jessica his body in

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Speaker 2: a few of them drove Jessica's body to the middle school,

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Speaker 2: Venetia lit the match and then let.

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Speaker 5: As jury reached a birdie if you had handed to

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Speaker 2: On April eighth, two thousand and eight, after only three

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Speaker 2: hours and forty five minutes of deliberating, a Kentucky jury

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Speaker 2: convicted Quincy Cross on all charges we The.

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Speaker 3: Jury found the defendant guilty of kidnapping, guilty of guilty

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Speaker 2: He was later sentenced to life in prison without the

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Speaker 2: possibility of parole. Tamra and Jeff took please and were

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Speaker 2: sentenced to ten and fifteen years, respectively. Venetia and Victoria

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Speaker 6: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hey Quincy, Hey, how are you doing. I'm well,

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Speaker 2: how are you doing today?

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Speaker 11: I'm just you know, still doing time as well.

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Speaker 2: But then again, I wouldn't be here if things worked

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Speaker 11: It's painful. Yeah, it's very painful, and it's it's and

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Speaker 2: Back. To understand this story, you need to know the

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Speaker 11: My story is not just about me, but it's about

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Speaker 11: All our story, we was portrayed to be something that

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Speaker 12: At us different.

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Speaker 11: We still do. So you know my story is to

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Speaker 2: I've gotten to know two of them well, Quincy and Tamera,

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Speaker 3: People still talk about me to this day, but I

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Speaker 2: Other people ensnared in this story have told me the

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Speaker 2: the break. Mayfield, Kentucky, is in the dead center of

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Speaker 1: There's more crops than people. Corn, soy and.

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Speaker 2: Tobacco fields stretch as far as the eye can see,

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Speaker 2: damn proud of their winning high school football team, the Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: But other than game night, locals tell me there's not

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Speaker 2: The population hasn't grown in decades, and like in many

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Speaker 1: That was the case for Tamra called well.

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Speaker 2: So you were seventeen, you got pregnant, and was there

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Speaker 3: Or were you Oh yeah, I'm keeping it.

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Speaker 2: Tamra always knew she wanted to be a mom, so

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Speaker 11: I'm not getting rid of it.

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Speaker 1: There was love to spare.

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Speaker 3: I enjoyed being with my kids because they were my life.

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Speaker 2: Tamra also knew that she would didn't need a man

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Speaker 1: Who is your dad? My mother is my dad.

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Speaker 3: She's always been my dad and will always.

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Speaker 2: Men would come and go, but Tamer's family would stay together.

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Speaker 2: That's not to say that some men didn't stay a

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Speaker 11: We was drinking and drugging, hear me.

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Speaker 1: Quincy says he and his friends would run the streets.

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Speaker 11: It was selling drugs, It was hanging out, laid you

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Speaker 11: It was it was no kids, a whole bunch of kids.

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Speaker 11: Things going on, you know what I'm saying. Like I said,

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Speaker 2: And those things usually landed Quincy in and out of jail.

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Speaker 2: That's actually how Tamar and Quincy met. He was locked

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Speaker 1: He was cute, a little short. He's five to four,

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Speaker 2: And a warm, dimpled smile, and she remembers thinking, maybe

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Speaker 1: He was friendly, cute, friendly, and funny.

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Speaker 3: Quincy was a comic. Quincy was just a fun person.

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Speaker 1: And Quincy enjoyed Tamra.

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Speaker 11: Timber had a nice heart. Camer had a nice heart.

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Speaker 11: Man Temba was a friend before she was anything else.

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Speaker 11: Man tim was. We was good to hang out with

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Speaker 2: Tamarra was already pregnant when she got serious with Quincy.

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Speaker 2: She didn't party, so they liked watching movies together, eating pizza.

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Speaker 2: Quincy even moved in with Tamara and her mom for

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Speaker 11: Was born before she did. Oh man, I cried, I crad.

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Speaker 11: I was soft man. I ain't gonna trip I crad.

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Speaker 11: I shed some teiars right there. That was a beautiful thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: that was a beautiful thing. That was bringing back some good.

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Speaker 1: Memories right there, Tamra says Quincy. It was good with

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Speaker 2: She even gave Shade his last name, even though he

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Speaker 3: Even though he didn't have no kids, My kids were

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Speaker 3: Literally before he got in the door, before he opened

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Speaker 2: Phoebe is Shade's nickname with Yes, he was the best.

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Speaker 2: Tamrasis Quincy loved Bebe and her whole family. He was

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Speaker 3: We were like best friends.

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Speaker 2: But after a few years their relationship faded the way

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Speaker 11: I just had to go back home.

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Speaker 1: Back home to Tennessee.

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Speaker 11: I just wanted to go back home. Man, Makefield was

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Speaker 11: Makefield is, you have one minute left? It's corrupt down.

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Speaker 11: There are corrupt things long down now, and I figured

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Speaker 3: I got a print in two thousand toyo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in there five years, eight months.

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Speaker 3: It's two days, five years, eight months, two days.

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting with Tamra at her mom's house in Mayfield.

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Speaker 2: She's bold and bright, with shimmery makeup and colorful braided hair.

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Speaker 2: Tamra says, since she was a kid. She's always had

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Speaker 1: I used to be.

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Speaker 3: Outgoing.

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Speaker 1: I was always a positive one.

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Speaker 3: Uh not no more, not like I used to Not

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Speaker 3: I even do. If I knew what I know now,

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Speaker 3: then it's been a whole different story. It's crazy when

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Speaker 9: Could you?

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Speaker 3: Locked up? It's hard, but I had to keep the

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Speaker 2: I've spent the last two years traveling to Mayfield, talking

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Speaker 1: What would it be like to have your conviction cleared

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Speaker 1: for you? What Oh great, Oh a great deal.

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Speaker 3: I can't even get a job because of my conviction.

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Speaker 1: What my choice is going?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't never get five years, eight months, and

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Speaker 1: Out of jail, out of prison. That's all I want,

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Speaker 1: clear my name.

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Speaker 2: Two years of sifting through lies, rumors, and stories, picking

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Speaker 2: it's been almost impossible to discern truth from rumor, and

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Speaker 2: it's made me question who can I trust when so

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Speaker 2: many people obscure the truth.

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Speaker 1: Now, over the course.

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Speaker 2: Of time, I have grown to trust one woman in particular,

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Speaker 2: and she warned me from day one that this case

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Speaker 2: was going to be a hard one.

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Speaker 12: Good luck deciphering the fucking lies in this case. My

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00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 12: apologies for cussing, but that's what it is. There are

455
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Speaker 12: so many lies.

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Speaker 1: That's after the break.

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Speaker 2: In two thousand and four, Susan Gallbreath, the Kentucky housewife

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Speaker 2: who you met at the top of the show, wrote

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Speaker 2: journalist Tom Mangold, asking for help solving the Jessica current case.

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Speaker 2: Almost two decades after that, a woman named Darrel Woolman

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Speaker 2: would contact me and my team saying the man in

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Speaker 2: prison for the crime had been wronged. Much like Susan,

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Speaker 2: Dara is not a detective or a lawyer. She's not

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Speaker 2: even from Mayfield. Yet she has dedicated years of her

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Speaker 2: life to this case. But if Susan helped put Quincy

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Speaker 2: Cross in prison, Dara is dead set on getting him out.

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Speaker 12: I don't believe he was there, and I don't believe

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Speaker 12: that he did it, and I don't believe he had

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Speaker 12: anything to cover up, and it's just a gut failing.

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Speaker 1: Has your intuition ever led you astray?

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Speaker 12: Well?

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at the fun towards updated.

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Speaker 12: Yeah. Absolutely sorry. My intuition has has led me a

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Speaker 12: lot of times astray.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one, she launched an endeavor aimed at

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Speaker 2: helping people in prison.

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Speaker 12: I started the Department of Collaborators. I really wanted to

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Speaker 12: call it the Department of Correctors, but I thought like

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00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 12: that was too county video. See, you know, I do

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Speaker 12: not have a website. I do have a bank account.

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Speaker 2: The Department of Collaborators a group of folks from all

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Speaker 2: walks of life who volunteer their time to finding people

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Speaker 2: they think have been wrongfully convicted and connecting them with

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Speaker 2: folks like me who can give them a voice.

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Speaker 12: A group of misfits that can't. I go to this case.

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Speaker 2: Dearah got in touch with my colleague Jason Flamm, who's

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Speaker 2: long worked in criminal justice reform, and he passed the

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Speaker 2: case along to me. Darah has asked me point blank

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Speaker 2: to not compare her to Susan Gallbreath, But the irony

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Speaker 2: of it, all the similarities are not lost on me.

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Speaker 2: I'd be crazy not to point them out. And one

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Speaker 2: of them is that I am taken by Dara the

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Speaker 2: way Tom was taken by Susan.

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Speaker 1: Darah is a character.

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Speaker 2: She's constantly calling and sending me voice messages at all hours.

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Speaker 12: So anyway, again, I'm sorry for my monotone voice, talking

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Speaker 12: like I have marbles in my goddamn mouth, but that's

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Speaker 12: just the way I talk tonight.

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Speaker 2: Darah is a born and bred Southerner who plays to

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Speaker 2: every stereotype for laughs, like these are the kinds of

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Speaker 2: phrases she's lines off with.

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Speaker 12: God, bless you, I say, and fuck Nancy Grice.

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Speaker 2: Darah grew up in Mississippi, but lives in a McMansion

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00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: neighborhood outside of Nashville. Now. My producer, Rebecca and I

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Speaker 2: went to visit in the summer of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: The jungle is a very nice jungle. Darah lives with

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Speaker 2: her mom son and Ludacris.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Luda, Chris, you're so cute.

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Speaker 2: A dog, not the Rapper, A scruffy white terrier mutt

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Speaker 2: who's always by her side.

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Speaker 12: It doesn't identify as dogs.

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Speaker 2: Dara is a striking woman in her forties with icy

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Speaker 2: blue eyes and long blonde hair. As we walk past

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Speaker 2: the foyer into what appears to be the sitting room,

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Speaker 2: there are three huge.

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Speaker 1: Paintings on the wall.

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Speaker 2: What is this? Just you oil paintings of Dara in

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Speaker 2: a revealing mini dress that her mother painted bab really enhanced.

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00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: Dearra says, the southern blonde stick works. It leads people

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00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: to underestimate her, but you shouldn't be fooled. She's tenacious

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00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: and full of moral outrage over what she perceives as

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00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: a deep injustice. And the proof of Dara's tenacity, where

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Speaker 2: do you have all your documents and stuff?

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Speaker 3: All them off?

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Speaker 1: Is right downstairs?

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's your office, Okay, not medi Dara's home office

527
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: is a bright room jam packed with tons of memorabilia

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Speaker 2: from the years, like Dolly Parton figurines, Kate Moss's mugshot,

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Speaker 2: and of course documents, filing cabinets full of papers, and

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Speaker 2: binders of CDs containing hours of court proceedings, security footage, interrogations, interviews,

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Speaker 2: everything like emails between Susan and Tom wondering how did

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Speaker 2: someone get her personal emails?

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Speaker 1: Who was who was able to get these and some.

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Speaker 12: Of special to be part of discovery. I mean she

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Speaker 12: was a witness.

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Speaker 9: She was a witness.

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Speaker 2: That makes sense, and she's giving me full access. Dara

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Speaker 2: hasn't collected all of this alone. In the department of collaborators.

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Speaker 2: There's a person who gathers all the data, one who

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Speaker 2: organizes it, and there's Dara, the connector, staying in touch

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Speaker 2: with everyone involved. And it's grown past a little volunteer job.

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Speaker 2: Dera says, it's become personal.

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Speaker 12: The truth of the matter is is that I fell

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Speaker 12: in love with Quincy's family. They've fallen in love with me.

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Speaker 2: And with all the other people who've been touched by

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Speaker 2: this case.

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Speaker 12: Camera Jeffrey, you know like, that's the truth of when

548
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 12: it comes to Quincy Cross's case. It's not about solving

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Speaker 12: the murder of Jessica Kern because at the end of

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Speaker 12: the day, too in La, I think I can fucking

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Speaker 12: solve it. I'm just trying to get a man's wrong

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00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 12: blame prison now, and I'm trying to get the other

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Speaker 12: two good. It's exonerated.

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Speaker 2: So that's what Dara wants, and what I want is

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Speaker 2: to get it right. For a few reasons, I'm a

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Speaker 2: white girl from New York parachuting into this community in

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Speaker 2: the South where the victim and most of the accused

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Speaker 2: are black. I'm painfully aware of the stereotype white lady

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Speaker 2: saves the day, Susan Dara, and we've heard this from

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Speaker 2: people in town who are wary of outsiders. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to give them more reasons to distrust people like me.

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Speaker 2: On top of that, a few years ago, I got

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Speaker 2: it really wrong covering what I was convinced was a

564
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 2: wrongful conviction out of Alliance, Ohio. I dedicated a year

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Speaker 2: of my life and twenty podcast episodes trying to find

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00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: out if a man was in prison unjustly, only to

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00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: learn midway that he'd most likely done it, and my

568
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: instincts were wrong. A lot of listeners commended my honesty,

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Speaker 2: but I also got slammed for hurting the victim's family

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Speaker 2: by dragging all this up. I felt like a failure

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Speaker 2: and went on hiatus for a few months, dug a

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00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: hole and burrowed in it, licking my wounds. My mistake

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00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: is always in the back of my mind. But I'm

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Speaker 2: not the first journalist with doubts about their own work,

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Speaker 2: and it turns out I'm not the first journalist with

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Speaker 2: doubts about the convictions in this case. When Susan Golbreth

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00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: died in twenty eighteen, Tom Mangled wasn't able to fly

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Speaker 2: from England for the funeral, but he wrote Susan's family

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Speaker 2: an email expressing his condolences. He called Susan a quote

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Speaker 2: life force. He wrote that Susan's enthusiasm for the investigation

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Speaker 2: infected him and eventually infected law enforcement, and it was

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Speaker 2: quote wholly because of her drive and cunning that the

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Speaker 2: perpetrators were caught and sentenced.

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Speaker 1: Publicly.

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Speaker 2: Tom was and continues to be certain that the case

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Speaker 2: Susan helped bring forward, and the one he covered for

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00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: years was not only right but righteous. But privately I

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00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 2: found a different story, one that plants the seed of doubt.

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Speaker 1: This is from Susan to Tom and.

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Speaker 2: Sitting with my producer Rebecca going through hundreds of pages

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Speaker 2: of documents we got from Darra and from court filings.

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00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: They include years of Tom Mangle's emails from Susan, law

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Speaker 2: enforcement and many other people in Mayfield.

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Speaker 6: This emails between Tom Mangel and Lacey Gates, a friend

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Speaker 6: of Susan Galbraith.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I thought she was working with Mangled and galbrit.

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Speaker 2: These specific emails are from around the time Tom was

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Speaker 2: preparing to release yet another piece on Susan, four years

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Speaker 2: after Quincy, Tamra and Jeff were convicted. It's the radio

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Speaker 2: documentary you heard earlier from the BBC titled Something Rotten

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Speaker 2: in Mayfield. In it, he rehashes the story of Susan

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00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: helping defind Jessica's killers, and he features Victoria Caldwell retelling

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00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: her version of events. Yet this is an email he

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Speaker 2: sent to Susan's friend a few months before the piece aired.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: This is from Tom to Lacey in twenty twelve. January

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00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, Lacy I'm just being to wonder, this is

608
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: but a tiny worm of an idea in my wine

609
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: soaked brain that there is a teeny weeny, it'sy bitsy

610
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 2: chance that we've got this whole fucking murder story wrong

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00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: and that there may have been a huge miscarriage of Justine,

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00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: a renowned journalist talking about a case that he helped

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Speaker 2: solve that went all the way to the Kentucky Attorney

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Speaker 2: General that sent six people to prison, and he's saying,

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Speaker 2: there's an itsy bitsy chance that they got this whole

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00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: fucking murder story wrong.

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Speaker 1: This season on Graves County. I mean, you should hear

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Speaker 1: all the stuff that goes around, and you know some

619
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Speaker 1: of it might be as true as it comes. You

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00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: just can't never tell what's rammored and what's not.

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Speaker 2: You look so for.

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Speaker 3: Thinned faking those kings rocking in the chair and telling

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Speaker 3: their lie.

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Speaker 1: They accused a lot of innocent people. They hurt their families,

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Speaker 1: they hurt their friends hips.

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Speaker 3: Don't let nobody ever tell you get closure, because you'll

627
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Speaker 3: always miss a person like that.

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Speaker 10: The rest of your live.

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Speaker 2: So it sounds like a lot of people have come

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Speaker 2: forward saying I know who did this, but no one

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Speaker 2: has said who did it?

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Speaker 11: That's correct.

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Speaker 4: Why I don't know some of them that I've dealt,

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00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 4: whether it's involved in this or perpetual liars.

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Speaker 10: So I did not know her, and I did not

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Speaker 10: kill her or raid or burn or any of that

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00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 10: other stuff that y'all said, Marka, y'all gotta work the

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00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 10: hell up.

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Speaker 9: Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

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