Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to betting pros. It's time to place
Speaker 1: your bets. And this is me Joey p joe Pizzapia,
Speaker 1: and this is BP NFL. The best bets for Week fourteen.
Speaker 1: Six teams are on a bye, but that's okay. We
Speaker 1: still got plenty of things that we like this week,
Speaker 1: and of course Terrell Furman Junior and the Undertaker Andrew
Speaker 1: Erickson are here to help me break them all down
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Speaker 1: let's kick things off. I want to get right into it, gentlemen.
Speaker 1: I want to start here with the Miami Dolphins, a
Speaker 1: team that Terrell, they do not play well in the
Speaker 1: cold weather. To a tongue of Bilo, it does not end.
Speaker 1: Mike mcdanie does not like to play against teams that
Speaker 1: are any good teams that have under five hundred records,
Speaker 1: Bueno teams over five hundred. Mike McDaniel is, let's say
Speaker 1: struggle boss. Let's just put it that way. So let's
Speaker 1: talk about this, and let's talk about the six points
Speaker 1: here that Miami is on here minus six at home
Speaker 1: against the New York Jets this week. So Terrell Furman,
Speaker 1: you're in on this. Let's talk about the why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really tried not to fade the Jets again,
Speaker 2: I really really really really really wanted to, but they
Speaker 2: just make it so easy, like they constantly, they just
Speaker 2: make it incredibly easy every single week. I'm actually kicking
Speaker 2: myself that I didn't have Seattle on the card last
Speaker 2: week because as I watched that game, I'm just watching,
Speaker 2: watching watching, I'm like, oh, the Jets are in control.
Speaker 2: Oh well, they're just letting Seattle hang around, hang around,
Speaker 2: hang around. They're not being serious on offense, they're not
Speaker 2: capitalizing on all of these drives opportunities, and here comes
Speaker 2: the mistake, and here comes the pick six, and there
Speaker 2: goes Leonard Williams running all the way down the sideline.
Speaker 2: This team is horrible. This team is absolutely horrible. Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers somehow has manufactured a worst win loss record as
Speaker 2: a New York Jet than Jack Wilson, and I think
Speaker 2: that that actually should be commended. I think that Jets
Speaker 2: fans should actually thank Aaron Rodgers for tanking this organization
Speaker 2: all the way down to the point where they're going
Speaker 2: to have some pretty good draft capital next year. And
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers reportedly doesn't want to come back to the
Speaker 2: Jets next season.
Speaker 1: This is I just read that he redid some of
Speaker 1: his house in Jersey.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you start remodeling houses, Terrell. You want to stay
Speaker 1: there and enjoy as long as you can, I would imagine.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, you get the Dolphins in December at home in
Speaker 2: a warm environment to eleven to zero against the Jets,
Speaker 2: and the Pats horrible, horrible record against the Bills. This
Speaker 2: is a system play flow chart. Are you playing the
Speaker 2: Bills in the division? No? Take two?
Speaker 1: There you go. I like it, Andrew Ericsson, that's all
Speaker 1: Seahawks are actually my upset special lest week because again
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out why the hell they were underdogs
Speaker 1: in that game, So that was good for business. This week, again,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins seem like they're good for business. This is
Speaker 1: very I think. What I like I've learned to like
Speaker 1: about the Dolphins after being really annoyed at them, is
Speaker 1: I've just come to grips with who they are, which
Speaker 1: is they're not a great team. They're a team that
Speaker 1: can beat up on the lesser, a team that can't
Speaker 1: compete when all said and done, and a team that's
Speaker 1: not going to travel and play in tough environments, period,
Speaker 1: end of story. Now that I've had that moment where
Speaker 1: I've I've been awoken to all of that, I think
Speaker 1: now I am ready to love this six with you guys,
Speaker 1: and I know you are too. So what are you
Speaker 1: more excited about the Aaron Rodgers Netflix documentary coming out
Speaker 1: soon or this minus six on the Dolphins? Well?
Speaker 3: I just need to know about these household remodels that
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers doing. Is he just is this just the
Speaker 3: the Tackle Bell edition so DeVante Adams can move in
Speaker 3: and they can chances are now?
Speaker 2: Or is he remodeling and making it look nice for
Speaker 2: the next buyer, because he messed the house up a
Speaker 2: little bit, because he punched holes in the walls. With
Speaker 2: how bad the season is going, well.
Speaker 1: He clearly didn't take it responsibility that he's the one
Speaker 1: to punch the holes.
Speaker 3: There are no windows in this house because he has
Speaker 3: to let all the darkness they can only bet.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you about.
Speaker 3: So I think that with this game, it's last week,
Speaker 3: it's just a classic spot to fade the Dolphins. And
Speaker 3: then this is a classic spot to buy back in,
Speaker 3: like you hit the nail on the head, Joey, where
Speaker 3: this is where the Dolphins dominate. They kill bad teams
Speaker 3: when they play at home and the warm weather where
Speaker 3: they don't have to bring like four hundred pounds of
Speaker 3: cold weather gear on their plane to play in a
Speaker 3: road game, Like they don't need to do any of
Speaker 3: that stuff. They just they get to be at home
Speaker 3: in Miami. And the stats back this up. If you
Speaker 3: look at the Dolphins, they've covered the spread thirteen to
Speaker 3: the last sixteen games against teams with a losing record.
Speaker 3: So I was watching one of the two press conferences
Speaker 3: this week, and he's really disappointed about what their record
Speaker 3: is this season, and he's really taking on himself for
Speaker 3: missing so many games that really put the Dolphins behind
Speaker 3: the eight ball. Right if he doesn't miss over a
Speaker 3: month of the season, we maybe talking about the Dolphins like, hey,
Speaker 3: this team could make some noise potentially, well, maybe make
Speaker 3: the playoffs and then immediately get eliminated like like we
Speaker 3: often see with them. But hey, at least be in
Speaker 3: the playoff race. So I still think they're motivated to
Speaker 3: win games. I think two as still wants to play
Speaker 3: well for his teammates, and I think they blow out
Speaker 3: the Jets. So give me the Dolphins, minusex.
Speaker 1: Here you goes all three of us in on the
Speaker 1: Dolphins this week, So what could go wrong? The next
Speaker 1: one's a little surprising for me. Now, not surprise. Andrew
Speaker 1: Erickson's with me on this because we talked about it
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Speaker 1: to this moment also, where you know, Andrew and I
Speaker 1: were talking about it, and I had thrown it out
Speaker 1: earlier on Monday, and then I sat in it a
Speaker 1: little bit longer. And the Falcons are not a great
Speaker 1: football team. Kirk Cousins is absolutely though, going to I
Speaker 1: think take this moment seriously. Perhaps maybe that was a
Speaker 1: little bit of the distraction last week he tolayed terribly
Speaker 1: off the bye too, throwing all those picks. It was
Speaker 1: not a good look for him. But every time we
Speaker 1: write off Kirk Cousins is when Kirk Cousins shows up again.
Speaker 1: Andrew used the Eagles game earlier this year as a
Speaker 1: perfect example of that. I don't think the Falcons are
Speaker 1: a good team. I know, Terrell, you don't. I'm surprised
Speaker 1: that you're on the Falcons points here. So the fact
Speaker 1: that you are also in this with Ericson and myself,
Speaker 1: you are the toughest one to Convince, So talk to
Speaker 1: me about how you came to this point, because you
Speaker 1: have been the biggest critic of this team from day one. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I still think this Falcons team is horrible
Speaker 2: by the way. I think that they're not good, But nonetheless,
Speaker 2: I think the Vikings are also very, very criminally overrated
Speaker 2: right now. And if I'm gonna pick two overrated teams,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna fade the team that has a better winning
Speaker 2: record because they are more overrated than the other overrated team.
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, we're sitting.
Speaker 2: Here with the Atlanta Falcons and going up against the
Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings, who I have been right about the past
Speaker 2: three weeks here talking about fading the Vikings, and I mean,
Speaker 2: unfortunately it didn't go our way on the money line
Speaker 2: in either one of those games for the Bears or
Speaker 2: the Cardinals, and that's really really annoying. But nonetheless, this
Speaker 2: Vikings team has just been playing really, really close games
Speaker 2: and they were fortunate to get the cover, laying six
Speaker 2: against Tennessee, but they still didn't cover against the Jags
Speaker 2: the week before. They're playing a lot of close games
Speaker 2: and just going out by the skin of their teeth
Speaker 2: and getting a win. Granted for the NFL and for
Speaker 2: the playoffs, that's enough. They're going to be a playoff team.
Speaker 2: I was wrong about that. I thought they were about
Speaker 2: to fall off a cliff, but I still don't think
Speaker 2: that's enough for them to cover this margin five and
Speaker 2: a half here. I could see this being a close game.
Speaker 2: I mean, even through all four of those interceptions, they
Speaker 2: still found some way to make that a four point
Speaker 2: game against the Chargers, and I think that actually does
Speaker 2: mean something. I don't think this Vikings team is equipped
Speaker 2: now with Sam Darnold at quarterback, with the inconsistencies on offense,
Speaker 2: and with the fact that yes they can turn the
Speaker 2: ball over, but they allow you to go twenty to
Speaker 2: twenty and at least get some points at the end
Speaker 2: the drives. I think that that's really really concerning for Minnesota.
Speaker 2: I love the bounce back angle and the revenge angle
Speaker 2: for Kirk Cousins in this game as well. Kirk Cousins
Speaker 2: when he's doubted and lot did very very nerve wrecking.
Speaker 2: Not as confident in a money line play this week,
Speaker 2: I will admit it. Not as confident in the money
Speaker 2: line play, but I feel really, really good about five
Speaker 2: and a half, Like, I don't think that this is
Speaker 2: going to be more than a touchdown game. I think
Speaker 2: this is a close one.
Speaker 1: I agree, I think it is going to be closer.
Speaker 1: I'm honestly the forty five and a half is what
Speaker 1: you're finding most spots. I kind of feel like that's
Speaker 1: about spot on too. But I do like that five
Speaker 1: and a half with the falcons and revenge narratives sometimes
Speaker 1: can be very overrated. I don't think the first time
Speaker 1: you know is overrated. I don't think it's very overraty
Speaker 1: when it comes to quarterbacks. Andrew, That's what you and
Speaker 1: I were talking about yesterday. Whereas you have the ball
Speaker 1: in your hand, you're able to control the game, right,
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy, how does revenge narrative which again we'll be
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 2: That as I had Broncos laying five and a half
Speaker 2: and oh, what a sweat, What a sweat for Jamis
Speaker 2: as Jamis as he could to get that pass and
Speaker 2: the fears and get that ball all the way into
Speaker 2: the red zone inside the five and throw a beautiful interception.
Speaker 2: Beautiful I mean Jamis throws a very very catchuble football very.
Speaker 1: Sometimes to the other team.
Speaker 2: That's the problem doesn't matter who gets everybody. For everybody,
Speaker 2: I love credible opportunity quarterbacks like Jamis Look.
Speaker 1: And the Jerry Judy one is like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: hard for a wide receiver. You know, you've got to
Speaker 1: pepper them with targets, you know, to have his revenge
Speaker 1: game or whatever it is. This one with Cousins, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a familiarity with the organization for
Speaker 1: a very long time, a familiarity with the defense that
Speaker 1: he practice against. So they know his weaknesses, but he
Speaker 1: knows theirs too, So I do think Cousins can keep
Speaker 1: this one close at the very least, if not maybe
Speaker 1: come up with a weird upset. It feels like the Vikings,
Speaker 1: as Roll was saying, also no over eight team maybe
Speaker 1: right for that last two weeks too, having a lot
Speaker 1: of trouble converting the too many field goals. You know
Speaker 1: that's there with the Vikings side. So Andrew, I know,
Speaker 1: Toarrell give us a lot of reasons. But for those
Speaker 1: people may have missed yesterday, what were some of your
Speaker 1: other reasons where we were talking about why Cousins and
Speaker 1: the Falcons could cover this five and a half.
Speaker 3: Well, for starters, I had to put the Falcons in
Speaker 3: the show sheet, because once I saw Trel put in,
Speaker 3: I was like, well, this is because Trell hates the Falcons,
Speaker 3: and if he's gonna been on the Falcons, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're heading in the right direction here, we're holding hands.
Speaker 3: So I felt much better about that, and I think
Speaker 3: goes back to the point it's really less about the
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins factor, and it's the fact, yes, no one's
Speaker 3: talking about Oh you know how the Chiefs are the
Speaker 3: luckiest team in the NFL. You know, he's right there
Speaker 3: next to them, the Minnesota Vikings seven and one in
Speaker 3: close games this season, So yeah, of course they're going
Speaker 3: to keep this game close to the Falcons because that's
Speaker 3: all the Vikings do is playing close games. And you
Speaker 3: look at their defense, right, Oh, this very fear defense.
Speaker 3: They love to blitz a lot. Hey, you know defense
Speaker 3: also loves the blitz a lot. Todd Bowles. You know
Speaker 3: what team the Kirk Cousins had the most success against
Speaker 3: this year, Tampa Bay, and they're blitz heavy defense. Because
Speaker 3: I remember writing up the first time those those teams
Speaker 3: played and be like, man, I'm now Kirk Cousins can't
Speaker 3: really move sitting duck back there and all you did
Speaker 3: was rip apart the blitz.
Speaker 1: Well, you don't have to move if you can get
Speaker 1: rid of the football quickly and reads of what the
Speaker 1: defense is going to do. And that's what a veteran
Speaker 1: quarterback presence breaks exactly.
Speaker 3: So I think that this game is going to be close. Yes,
Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure if they're going to be able
Speaker 3: to pull out the straight up upset, but just covering
Speaker 3: the five and a half, I think that that that's
Speaker 3: easy money this week with the Atlanta Falcons. Then the
Speaker 3: other thing to point out two about the Vikings defense,
Speaker 3: they're starting to get banged up. I've in pace one
Speaker 3: of their linebackers. He missed last week, and the Arizona
Speaker 3: Cardinals ran all over the Minnesota Vikings the Minnesota Vikings
Speaker 3: game for the most rushing yards they had given up
Speaker 3: at any point in the season against Arizona because they
Speaker 3: were missing one of their star linebackers. You know who
Speaker 3: got hurt last week, Stefan Gilmore, one of their starting quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: In a minute that he left that game. You know
Speaker 3: who scores a touchdown, Marvin Harrison Junior. Again, the Cardinals
Speaker 3: can't score a touchdown in the entire game, he gets hurt,
Speaker 3: they immediately score a touchdown. So it's not even less
Speaker 3: about Kirk Cousins. But like, how are they gonna stop
Speaker 3: John Robinson?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Stu's a monster, Like, no one's talking about that. It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's all about Kirk. It's about Kirk. It's like, but
Speaker 3: it's not, though, Like, you know who showed up after
Speaker 3: the not the Falcons offense. The Falcons defense showed up
Speaker 3: for the first time. They were able to get sacks Terrell.
Speaker 3: The Falcons got sacks on the quarterback for the first time,
Speaker 3: they held the charge, surprising I'm under exactly. So there's
Speaker 3: just the narrative is so much about Kirk Cousins and
Speaker 3: not all the other factors of the game that I
Speaker 3: think work in the Falcons favors. So I'm glad we're
Speaker 3: all handholding here.
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Speaker 1: got it going on, Tourette. Let's get to the Chargers
Speaker 1: and the Kansas City Chiefs. The number for this one
Speaker 1: is forty three. The Chiefs obviously continue to be a
Speaker 1: team that you sneaks out victories here and there. Everybody
Speaker 1: has been on them. I'm sure they've heard all this,
Speaker 1: but they just keep winning football games regardless. And the Chargers.
Speaker 1: Lad mccauckey banged up. That's a big one. JK. Dobbins
Speaker 1: on the IR that's a big one. This was poised
Speaker 1: to be a really interesting game where I feel like
Speaker 1: the Chargers were ready to really take it to the
Speaker 1: Chiefs and really hand them another loss. Now I'm not
Speaker 1: so sure, and I don't know if you are or not,
Speaker 1: but you seem to have pivoted to the number instead
Speaker 1: forty three, and you're taking the under. So let's talk
Speaker 1: about that one and talk about the why and is
Speaker 1: it because so many of these pieces that are missing
Speaker 1: here potentially for the Chargers. Well, yeah, I've kind of strayed.
Speaker 1: I still like the Chargers plus four, by the way,
Speaker 1: I just think that this is a good spot, and
Speaker 1: I like the coach and Jim Harbaugh. I think he's
Speaker 1: going to be able to coach this team up. And
Speaker 1: the defense has been fantastic all year round. Like they've
Speaker 1: had a couple of stumbles there with the Ravens and
Speaker 1: with the Bengals, but they've been.
Speaker 2: Really, really good. So I like the under forty three
Speaker 2: and a half here. I think both defenses have been
Speaker 2: playing lights out. They've been very, very conservative and allowing points.
Speaker 2: The Chargers have held teams under their team total basically
Speaker 2: all season. And this Kansas City Chiefs defense is where
Speaker 2: that's how they want to play football. I know we
Speaker 2: say it every single week, but it hasn't changed because
Speaker 2: they haven't changed philosophy throughout the whole season. We want
Speaker 2: to play good defense, we want to get after the quarterback.
Speaker 2: We want that to be the highlight of this team.
Speaker 2: And then Patrick Mahomes is that quarterback where we don't
Speaker 2: need him to go out here and throw for four
Speaker 2: hundred and five hundred yards. We just need him to
Speaker 2: make the plays when we need him to make them
Speaker 2: for us to be able to win the game. And
Speaker 2: I think this Chargers team, who thinks that they are
Speaker 2: comparable to the Kansas City Chiefs, they're trying to close
Speaker 2: that gap. Justin Herbert has been closest to anybody else
Speaker 2: besides maybe a Josh Allen or a Joe Burrow to
Speaker 2: actually beating the Kansas City Chiefs. So I think that
Speaker 2: with all of that, this is going to be a
Speaker 2: very very competitive game, a low scoring game similar to
Speaker 2: what we saw against the Kansas City Chiefs and the
Speaker 2: Raiders in this division on the day after Thanksgaving Black Friday.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna take the under here. I think this
Speaker 2: is a hard smash mount football game in the COREA
Speaker 2: and I love under forty three and a half. This
Speaker 2: could be very very low scoring.
Speaker 1: Does hardball have the running backs left to make it
Speaker 1: that smash mouth game? That's my only question. You know,
Speaker 1: Gus Edwards been like kind of like two yards and
Speaker 1: a cloud of dust. Haskins had the fumble issue. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where we're gonna pivot next.
Speaker 2: I mean, the fantasy community is telling you Kamani Fidelle.
Speaker 2: The fantasy community has been talking up Kamani Videll like
Speaker 2: he's gonna.
Speaker 1: Be the guy.
Speaker 2: I think it's still Gus Edwards. This is still a
Speaker 2: Greg Roman offense, and Greg Roman loves his guys. And
Speaker 2: he went back to JK. Dobbins off of injury early
Speaker 2: in the season he got hurt. What happens every time
Speaker 2: JK Dobbin gets hurt, he goes to Gus Edwards, and
Speaker 2: Gus Edwards is able to come out here and manufacture game.
Speaker 2: So I think this actually is a sneaky, really good
Speaker 2: Gus Edwards game where he keeps them in this game
Speaker 2: and they just control time possession.
Speaker 1: All right. The next one here for you, Eric's and
Speaker 1: your third pick is a game that is pure chaos.
Speaker 1: I told you this has four outcomes written all over it. Therefore,
Speaker 1: I will be waiting and watching part of the first
Speaker 1: quarter to see what the vibes are and then maybe
Speaker 1: bet it live after I see. But again, I could
Speaker 1: see four outcomes in this one, but you see one
Speaker 1: that you like when it comes to the Giants of
Speaker 1: the Saints, So sell me on it, because I'm still
Speaker 1: hands off until kickoff.
Speaker 3: Well, the vibes will not be Drew Lock dancing on
Speaker 3: the sideline. That's right, confirm because this I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't know if he's gonna finish the game with this
Speaker 3: point because he was horrible against Dallas. He's a horrible quarterback.
Speaker 3: Derek Carr, He's okay, not horrible, but not great. And look,
Speaker 3: we have a matchup between Derek Carr and Drew Lock
Speaker 3: and this point total doesn't start with a three. There's
Speaker 3: something wrong with that in my opinion. Playing outside in December,
Speaker 3: a dome team on the road, I just want to
Speaker 3: under this game. So under forty and a half points
Speaker 3: Giants and Saints. Look, MetLife Stadium. We actually mentioned this
Speaker 3: on the Fantasy Pro Show. So whereas Ford Field, of
Speaker 3: course field, the NFL love that MetLife Stadium. The total opposite.
Speaker 3: I brought up as the I don't know what ballpark
Speaker 3: has the least amount of home runs. The first one
Speaker 3: that came to mind was Polo Grounds. There are no
Speaker 3: home runs at this certain place. There are no home
Speaker 3: runs in MetLife Stadium. Even that Jetsyhawks game, all right,
Speaker 3: not so much. It took everything with special teams and turnovers,
Speaker 3: and picks by three hundred pound lineman to get.
Speaker 1: Over to the total.
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's no points to be found in MetLife statement.
Speaker 3: We'll go, We'll go to the stats. So sorry, Troy,
Speaker 3: maybe you just unplug a little bit here as I
Speaker 3: continue to pour on. So nine of the giants last
Speaker 3: thirteen games have gone under the total. Eleven of the
Speaker 3: giants last fourteen home games have gone under the total.
Speaker 3: Six of the giants last seven home games have gone
Speaker 3: under the total, eleven to the last fourteen, et cetera,
Speaker 3: et cetera. This game's not going over the total, especially
Speaker 3: when you look at the two defenses. Again, what can
Speaker 3: they rest their laurels on top? Twelve red zone defense?
Speaker 3: So even if they're moving the ball with yardage, you're
Speaker 3: not gonna see any points here unless it gets.
Speaker 1: The bags are out there, you go. Come on, what
Speaker 1: do you have to worry about? You've won super bowls
Speaker 1: in your lifetime. Come on, this is not so bad.
Speaker 1: It's not so bad you wont a multiple super Bowls.
Speaker 1: Imagine the Jet fan who has grown up, who was
Speaker 1: in their forties, who has never seen one, he's ever
Speaker 1: even seen them get to one. Come on, troll, it's
Speaker 1: not so bad.
Speaker 2: Pretty bad. We haxation of We have an expectation of
Speaker 2: greatness and we are not performing to it. We have
Speaker 2: it ever since the.
Speaker 1: Freaking boat trip, ever since the boat trip trip has gone.
Speaker 1: It's true, all those timberlains on that boat hanging out there,
Speaker 1: all right, the next one. Finally we're gonna have a
Speaker 1: difference of opinion on I am all over the Seahawks
Speaker 1: and what is basically a playoff game this week. This
Speaker 1: is it. The Seahawks have a chance to take this
Speaker 1: division by the cohonees and roll with it. And the
Speaker 1: Seahawks just keep winning games. And sometimes certain teams just
Speaker 1: have that vibe where maybe they shouldn't win the game,
Speaker 1: And certainly last week, maybe there were times against the
Speaker 1: Jest where they shouldn't. Maybe even against the Cardinals two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, they shouldn't, especially when they were at home.
Speaker 1: They should have handle their business, and they let the
Speaker 1: Cardinals hang around. I feel like Seattle's just got that
Speaker 1: thing about them right now. I think Geno's confident, this
Speaker 1: coaching staff is confident. They're feeling good vibes. I think
Speaker 1: Arizona's feeling some pressure. And you could see it. They
Speaker 1: lost the Seattle coming out of the by then they
Speaker 1: went out and laid a turn against the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 1: I think you could feel the pressure of a team
Speaker 1: that wasn't ready to be at the top yet of
Speaker 1: a division starting to collapse upon itself. And that's the
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. I don't care about how good the defense plays.
Speaker 1: I don't care about it. Seattle's finding ways to win,
Speaker 1: and I think Seatle's going to do it again. Terrell,
Speaker 1: you disagree, tell me why? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Because I mean, you were right. And last time the
Speaker 2: Seahawks right here, they won sixteen to six. They did,
Speaker 2: they did, You were right, they very.
Speaker 1: Well and they won last week too against the.
Speaker 2: Special and they got out gained the Cardinals out gained
Speaker 2: them on the road. Like I'm telling you, I do
Speaker 2: not believe in this Seattle Seahawks scene, even watching that
Speaker 2: game last week. That's why I did it. And I
Speaker 2: was sitting there watching the game, I'm like, man, why
Speaker 2: did I not get down on the Seahawks. Oh wait,
Speaker 2: because the Seahawks are fraudulent, because they were fraudulent footballs.
Speaker 1: That might be true, and here else is fraudulent. I
Speaker 1: think Kyler Murray's a little fraudulent because every time he's
Speaker 1: got to make big, big plays and big moments, he
Speaker 1: fails and and and so far, I haven't seen to
Speaker 1: the otherwise, Like, no one's been able to sell that
Speaker 1: to me. Outside of beating the forty niners every now
Speaker 1: and again, Kyler Murray is not really stepped up in
Speaker 1: any big moments so far.
Speaker 2: As the NFL quarterback Monday Night Football, he got a
Speaker 2: very good win and was able to pull them through
Speaker 2: for the Chargers at home. And I think that this
Speaker 2: is similar to those vibes of this is going to
Speaker 2: be a very very contested football game. Believe it or not,
Speaker 2: both of these two defenses have been actually a lot better.
Speaker 2: I expect to see a lot of heavy James Connor
Speaker 2: and Kyler Murray making plays with his legs, Like I
Speaker 2: think that's gonna be the key here, him being able
Speaker 2: to get outside of the pocket, make plays with his legs,
Speaker 2: not necessarily get the rushing yards, but just extend plays.
Speaker 2: Because Trey McBride is a stud, he's absolutely balling. I
Speaker 2: think that this can be a Marvin Harrison maybe longest
Speaker 2: completion game, maybe not yards game, but longest completion where
Speaker 2: he gets the big plays and they're able to move
Speaker 2: the ball. They out gained them last time. They just
Speaker 2: weren't able to put the ball in an end zone
Speaker 2: and it was so frustrating and you pulled your hair
Speaker 2: out as a Cardinals money linebacker, it doesn't matter. I'm
Speaker 2: going back to the well. I think that we were
Speaker 2: on the right side and we just didn't get the result.
Speaker 2: They split the series this time around, and we watch
Speaker 2: a competitive, competitive division come down to again the Cardinals
Speaker 2: and the Seahawks. Towards the end of the year. I
Speaker 2: am taking the Cardinals. I think that this is the year.
Speaker 2: This is the year they finally get the monkey off
Speaker 2: their back and they win the division. And it starts
Speaker 2: with this game right here.
Speaker 1: All right, Ericson, you're where Torella is. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: the why, because I'm still on the Seattle side of
Speaker 1: this game. The mojo is just stronger. The defense has
Speaker 1: been opportunistic creating turnovers for the last couple of weeks too,
Speaker 1: and those turnovers, to me, have been the difference maker
Speaker 1: of these games. Where they create these turnovers, you can
Speaker 1: feel the entire game just shift in their favor. All
Speaker 1: the energy goes in their favor, and teams that can
Speaker 1: do that consistently start to believe they can and that's
Speaker 1: very dangerous for a team like Arizona. But why do
Speaker 1: you think Arizona's going to come out here on the
Speaker 1: minus side? Here? With the was it two and a
Speaker 1: half right now? Pretty much you're getting everywhere? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. I mean, this game is really fascinating
Speaker 3: to me. This is something I really want to tune
Speaker 3: into because the first matchup I was expecting points and
Speaker 3: I couldn't have been more wrong. But you saw the
Speaker 3: teams move the ball. I mean, Kyler Murray almost through
Speaker 3: for three hundred passing yards in that game, but they
Speaker 3: just stalled out constantly in the red zone. So is that, oh,
Speaker 3: it's just gonna happen again or is that not sustainable? Right? Well,
Speaker 3: if they're going to continue to move the ball, eventually
Speaker 3: they're going to be able to punch in. Eventually, Trade
Speaker 3: McBride will catch a receiving touchdown. I can tell, but
Speaker 3: I know I keep telling something too. Eventually it's going
Speaker 3: to happen. I mean, the guy can only catch twelve
Speaker 3: balls every single week and not score for so long
Speaker 3: before he finally finds the end zone, and I guess
Speaker 3: for me it's you're looking at the two teams. Both
Speaker 3: of the defenses, like Terrell laid out like, are definitely
Speaker 3: the strengths right now entering this game. We saw it
Speaker 3: in the first matchup, where neither offense score twenty points,
Speaker 3: neither offense got over a three hundred total yards of offense.
Speaker 3: The Seahawks will to stop the Cardinals ground game, but
Speaker 3: the Seahawks also can't run the football, and I think
Speaker 3: goes back to I like the homefield of and for Arizona.
Speaker 3: I think that gives it a little of an edge
Speaker 3: in terms of creating opportunities for turnovers. Last week, you
Speaker 3: saw the Cardinals pass rush come alive against they overrated
Speaker 3: Vikings offensive line. The worst unit on the field I
Speaker 3: think playing in this game is the Seahawks offensive line.
Speaker 3: I have no faith them playing on the road to
Speaker 3: stop a pass rush that came alive last week. So
Speaker 3: where you're on the side of I think the turnovers
Speaker 3: are gonna benefit the Seahawks. I think the turnovers is
Speaker 3: gonna be a bit the Cardinals in this game and
Speaker 3: ultimately the reason why the Cardinals come out with the win.
Speaker 3: So I think that this game is tight, and I
Speaker 3: think it's going to go down in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 3: So I think we need to get a little side
Speaker 3: action on between us three. I think I'll be a
Speaker 3: fun one to watch, So I'm gonna go with the Cardinals.
Speaker 3: I the body of work this year says, Hey, Cardinals
Speaker 3: have covered the spread at a higher rate than the
Speaker 3: Seattle Seahawks, so their favorites at home, give me the Birds.
Speaker 1: Okay, last one here for both guys. Let's start here
Speaker 1: with the Bengals and the Dallas Cowboys. This one's gonna
Speaker 1: be on Monday Night. So Terrell, look, normally, I see
Speaker 1: the better coach and the better quarterback, and I immediately
Speaker 1: just say, yeah, I'm in let's go with the five
Speaker 1: and a half on the Bengals. But that Bengals defense
Speaker 1: has been so bad I just have no faith in
Speaker 1: their ability to hold the lead at all. So tell
Speaker 1: me why you're confident the Bengals at the five and
Speaker 1: a half this week, because this is another one too
Speaker 1: where maybe I'm a little bit more edged in the
Speaker 1: forty nine and a half than I am in the
Speaker 1: five and a half.
Speaker 2: You have the Dallas Cowboys, who are abysmal They've been
Speaker 2: horrible at home. They haven't been able to beat anybody
Speaker 2: at home except the New York Giants. That's it. They
Speaker 2: haven't been able to beat anybody at home. And the
Speaker 2: Giants just ruined that last week. So guess what they're
Speaker 2: due for another home loss like they've been doing all season.
Speaker 2: Then you got have a Bengals team that, despite everything
Speaker 2: bad that they do all year, they are six and
Speaker 2: six against the spread. That is horrible fifty percent. You're
Speaker 2: not making money there unless you bet them on the
Speaker 2: road because they're five and one ats on the road.
Speaker 2: They can't win in Cincinnati, but they can handle business
Speaker 2: on the road. They are coming off of a divisional
Speaker 2: game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. They've had a bad run
Speaker 2: of three games. I get it, but look at the
Speaker 2: three games they played Pittsburgh playoff team, Chargers playoff team,
Speaker 2: Ravens playoff team, Cowboys not a playoff team. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know Jerry Jones to believe they have a chance.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you right now, they don't have a chance
Speaker 2: in hell. And so I think that this is a
Speaker 2: great opportunity for Cincinnati to one invigorate just the fan base,
Speaker 2: invigorate the fan base. Second, Zach Taylor's coaching for his job,
Speaker 2: because if you somehow go out here, don't have an
Speaker 2: amazing showing against this Cowboys team that's in a down year,
Speaker 2: that the last time you played them was two years
Speaker 2: ago when you had all the expectations in the world
Speaker 2: and you went and lost to Cooper Rush on the road.
Speaker 2: In doubt Jerry's world, you lost to Cooper Rush. That
Speaker 2: you get to pay Cooper Rush back for that when
Speaker 2: they're in a down year. Yeah, I think that they
Speaker 2: possibly could give up points, but I could see Cincinnati
Speaker 2: scoring forty four points in this game. That's how good
Speaker 2: their offense is, and that's how bad the defense is
Speaker 2: for Dallas. So I think Cincinnati is gonna be able
Speaker 2: to cover this line regardless. I laid five and a
Speaker 2: half last week with the Broncos, and while it was
Speaker 2: a sweat and it was entertaining, and I promise you
Speaker 2: Cooper Rush is never gonna give me as entertaining of
Speaker 2: a game as Jameis Winston gave me, and I still
Speaker 2: get a cover. I'm still gonna get the cover here.
Speaker 2: Give me the Cincinnati Bengals. I think they're going to
Speaker 2: destroy the Cowboys. I think somehow in their mind when
Speaker 2: you look at them, especially watching hard knots, they believe
Speaker 2: they somehow still have a chance at the playoffs. And
Speaker 2: so sure, I'm gonna bet on them having that false
Speaker 2: sense of security that they can go be one and
Speaker 2: zero every week and find themselves in the playoffs. Give
Speaker 2: me Cincinnati laying five and a half.
Speaker 1: I think Cincinnati can almost take care of this forty
Speaker 1: nine and a half by themselves, which is why I like.
Speaker 1: I just like the over, like I don't want to.
Speaker 1: There's so many variables in this game. Forty nine and
Speaker 1: a half. Like you said, they could probably put up
Speaker 1: a forty spot that's fine, and I'm sure Dallas will
Speaker 1: at least put up seventeen. Like that's my confidence there.
Speaker 1: That's why of all the overs this week, that is
Speaker 1: the one that is most appealing to me, because where
Speaker 1: those two teams are at. And let's be honest too,
Speaker 1: you know what I know this time of year, of
Speaker 1: the defenses decided that you know, they're not gonna really
Speaker 1: lay themselves out too much. They got nothing to play for.
Speaker 1: Those guys don't want to get hurt. Tackling seems to
Speaker 1: go away in games like this last one here I
Speaker 1: want to talk about you know, Ericson. We've discussed Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield before, right where he is the underdog. We love him.
Speaker 1: Sometimes when he's the home favorite, it's not so good.
Speaker 1: He's got the Raiders this week. So that being said,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about this matchup for him and
Speaker 1: the Raiders with Tampa who who look, Tampa is right
Speaker 1: in the thick of this division too. They have a
Speaker 1: chance your important victory for them, But you think the
Speaker 1: Raiders can cover, So let's talk about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the Raiders plus six and a half. I
Speaker 3: mean in O'Connell, he played fantastic last week. Again for
Speaker 3: that one mistake that he made at the end of
Speaker 3: the game. I mean, he was nearly flawless going into
Speaker 3: Kansas City and almost coming up with the second win
Speaker 3: in his second start in Kansas City. Yeah, so I
Speaker 3: think that obviously when it up happening at the end
Speaker 3: of the game, I think that that weighs on him
Speaker 3: as a player, and I think that he really wants
Speaker 3: to show what he can do. And I mean Stan
Speaker 3: Bay Buccaneers defense is horrible, especially in their secondary and
Speaker 3: you laid out the case where Baker Mayfield. Yes, when
Speaker 3: he's up against the wall an underdog, he's playing like
Speaker 3: his arm is in a sling on the road, Like
Speaker 3: that's where you want to be on Baker Mayfield. Not
Speaker 3: when they're comfy six and a half point favorites against
Speaker 3: a two to ten Raiders team with Baker Mayfield like
Speaker 3: dealing with an injury. The Buccaneers as home favorites five
Speaker 3: nine and one against a spread thirty six percent. That's
Speaker 3: what that's what we're working with here. The Raiders play
Speaker 3: hard for Antonio peers. They do because this is a
Speaker 3: team that's covered spreads on the road that they had
Speaker 3: no business covering. What's over against teams that are significantly
Speaker 3: more talented them and significantly better than them. So rinse
Speaker 3: and repeat. Last week, we like the Raiders on the
Speaker 3: road on Black Friday, and they covered. They get us
Speaker 3: thirteen and a half points. This is only six and
Speaker 3: a half, But the matchup is better, I think because
Speaker 3: the Buccaneers defense is way worse than the Chiefs, and
Speaker 3: it's the same exact recipe for success for Aidan O'Connell,
Speaker 3: get the ball, brock powers. The Buccaneers are one of
Speaker 3: the worst teams against tight ends and get the ball
Speaker 3: to Jacobe Myers like he has weapons to get and
Speaker 3: do damage against this defense. So I like the Raiders
Speaker 3: catching plus six and a half again on the road.
Speaker 3: I don't really care. The Raiders are covering plenty of
Speaker 3: road games, so I'm gonna fade Baker Mayfield as a
Speaker 3: home favorite.
Speaker 1: All right, Uh yeah, I think you and I see
Speaker 1: eye on that one too. Let's get to the upset
Speaker 1: special of the I'm trying to go back to back here,
Speaker 1: so give me the Chicago Bears, the dead coach bounce baby,
Speaker 1: let's go. The forty nine ers are done. They folded
Speaker 1: up the tents. I don't remember a team in recent
Speaker 1: memory that seems to have hatred and vitriol for their
Speaker 1: coach the way the Chicago Bears didn't rightfully, So things
Speaker 1: have not gone well there. Caleb Williams, though he has
Speaker 1: played really well the last couple weeks in the second
Speaker 1: half of games, he's made some good adjustments. This is
Speaker 1: a team that is not bereft of talent. It's bereft
Speaker 1: of leadership. It's bereft of game planning. It's bereft of
Speaker 1: coaches making good clock management decisions. And good moments. So
Speaker 1: give me the Chicago Bears here to put the nail
Speaker 1: in the coffin of the forty nine ers season. Here
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers not healthy, CMC done, Mason Dunn,
Speaker 1: Purty is far from one hundred percent. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: right now. This is one where I think that the
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears do get that glorious dead coach bounce. And
Speaker 1: I want to be in on it, and I want
Speaker 1: you to be in on it too, Plus one seventy
Speaker 1: six on the money line, let's go, And let's take
Speaker 1: those Chicago Bears on the money line plus one seventy six,
Speaker 1: and only got one other thing I want to pull
Speaker 1: with it. It's my Seattle Seahawks. That's right, my Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 1: At plus one twenty. You put them both together, you
Speaker 1: get five to one. Let's go, baby, We're going forward
Speaker 1: with this one. The Chicago Bears have talent on offense
Speaker 1: and defense, and I think there's a motivation to prove
Speaker 1: to everybody that they are a better football team than
Speaker 1: they are. And I already talked about Seattle Seahawks. These
Speaker 1: guys just have that little bit of magic and sometimes
Speaker 1: that's just better than any stat you could throw out there.
Speaker 1: And I do not buy in to Kyler Murray in
Speaker 1: big spots because I keep seeing him make bad decisions
Speaker 1: and bad moments. And that, once again is how the
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks are going to find another interception at another
Speaker 1: moment in this game to swing the momentum in their favor,
Speaker 1: and Geno Smith and the Seattle Seahawks are going to
Speaker 1: win this division. So really, this is just a flag
Speaker 1: plant of the NFC West where it's Seattle Seahawks' time,
Speaker 1: the death of the forty nine ers, the rebirth of
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. What a time to be alive, gentlemen.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to come back next week and talk
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