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Speaker 1: Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and camera Judge.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Two Teas and a

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Speaker 2: Pause myself and Dolores. Good morning, Dolores, good morning.

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Speaker 1: How are you. I'm good.

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Speaker 2: You recovered from the party.

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Speaker 1: Not recovered from the party, the two parties. I'm dead.

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Speaker 1: I'm up four pounds and I don't know why because

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Speaker 1: I haven't I didn't really eat.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, it's probably just water.

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Speaker 1: I'm not happy, Camera, I'm not happy.

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Speaker 2: I'm never happy if I step on this goal and

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Speaker 2: it's up one pound, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, I'm exaggerating. I'm up three pounds.

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Speaker 2: Three whole pounds.

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Speaker 1: And I feel it, and I just feel like shitty

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Speaker 1: and puffy. So I am probably going to try the

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Speaker 1: new GLP one Reatitude Realitude or realitrtitude.

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Speaker 2: Now you got me screwed up?

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Speaker 1: Whatever? Girl, How do you know that?

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Speaker 2: Because it's all it's all over social media. They're talking

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Speaker 2: about red a True Tide. I don't know one person

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Speaker 2: will say it's great for you. It's not just a

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Speaker 2: GLP one. It's three different things. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: they are. Some say it's like, uh, it helps you

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Speaker 2: look youthful. It helps with your metabolism and your sugar levels.

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Speaker 2: And another one says it's horrible, it's horrible for your thyroid.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's you just have a thyroid issue. And

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Speaker 1: then there's the other thing that says it's so so

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Speaker 1: with really the differences with the other GLP ones, the trezipitite,

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Speaker 1: theos epic, whatever else, you lose muscle mass. This is

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Speaker 1: supposed to make you lose weight without losing the muscle mass.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's a positive.

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Speaker 1: It's a total positive. So so I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: we told Kristen, you know, we were going to bring

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Speaker 1: her on to clear up the nonsense about this.

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Speaker 2: Have you talked to her about the Red True Tide

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Speaker 2: because it's it's I mean, it's crazy to even say

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Speaker 2: this because a lot of things are not FDA approved.

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Speaker 2: But it's not FDA approved, and that's what people are saying.

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Speaker 2: But most supplements, most stuff is not FDA approved.

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Speaker 1: So I'm looking at one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

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Speaker 1: eight supplements sitting next to me. Nine that Paul that

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Speaker 1: Kristen has uh Paul on right now, the vitamins and

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Speaker 1: things like that, and he is he wants to be

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Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety pounds by in the next eight weeks.

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Speaker 1: So let's see. So that means I got to get

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Speaker 1: on my game, because you know, when your man starts

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Speaker 1: doing all this like you don't want to.

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Speaker 2: Look like I don't trust me. I know, then I'll

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Speaker 2: just be pissed off being married to Eddie. It's like,

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Speaker 2: just gain weight, just gids me. We have a couple

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Speaker 2: of headlines. Now, this one was pretty shocking. Queens of

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Speaker 2: Bravo announced it break news. According to page or maybe

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Speaker 2: page six announcement, Luanne Deleasap, Sonia Morgan, Jill Zarin, Kelly

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Speaker 2: ben Simone, and Ramona Singer have signed a deal with

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Speaker 2: E and expect a new show by the end of

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Speaker 2: the year.

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Speaker 1: Wow. That's like a huge move. That's like monumental because

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Speaker 1: we don't really cross over to other networks because then

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Speaker 1: how do you come back? Right? Yeah, he is no longer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what, these o geez have been

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Speaker 2: off the air for a long TIMEO.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what are they for them to come back?

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Speaker 2: If they got the opportunity, I definitely would take it

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Speaker 2: for sure. I'm sure there was conversations had, like people

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Speaker 2: call Andy, Hey, I got this offer, like just letting

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Speaker 2: you know, like.

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Speaker 1: That's what I were first write a refusal, so right,

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Speaker 1: you know. It was funny because Bethany was talking about

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Speaker 1: of course, yeah, of course she was. So she was

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Speaker 1: saying that she's like, you know, Ramona is gonna be

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Speaker 1: coming out like a hibernated bear. And she credits Jill

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Speaker 1: Zarin to putting this together being the business sense of

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Speaker 1: I guess.

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Speaker 2: Jill Saren makes shit happen, that is for sure. She

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Speaker 2: really does. She makes shit happen, and she's got a

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Speaker 2: lot of connections. So I wonder what how this is

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Speaker 2: I did hear? I don't know if it's true that

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Speaker 2: it's going to be based out of Florida. A lot

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Speaker 2: of them have houses in Florida, so it wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: like New York Housewives. It wouldn't be that similar. But

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming it's going to be right like the housewife model.

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Speaker 1: Right, you can't take I mean, they need Derinda.

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Speaker 2: But well Derinda is not in this.

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Speaker 1: I would think maybe Derenda would come back when this

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Speaker 1: show comes back. They needna here, but.

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Speaker 2: Also Derenda is she works for radio Andy. So I

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Speaker 2: don't know if it's maybe a conflict of interest or

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Speaker 2: wasn't allowed to I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Well I can tell you this, it is. These girls

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Speaker 1: are so missed because clearly New New York did not

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Speaker 1: fill the toe right of Old New York. Sorry, guys,

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Speaker 1: if you don't like what I said, I do not

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Speaker 1: apologize for saying this. You know, you only miss it

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Speaker 1: when you break up with someone, like you know you

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Speaker 1: missed the old boyfriend because maybe the new boyfriend doesn't

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Speaker 1: cut it. You know what I'm saying, right, right, right,

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Speaker 1: It's just an analogy. But uh so, yeah, yeah, New

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Speaker 1: New York made us miss Old New York a lot.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to call Dernda and ask her she's

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Speaker 2: got any information on this because I want to know more.

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Speaker 1: You do, You're very invested.

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Speaker 2: I'm like whatever, I just this is the first time

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Speaker 2: anything like this has happened where Cast has gone to

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Speaker 2: another network, right, which which opens doors I would imagine

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Speaker 2: for other housewives that have been let go.

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Speaker 1: Oh this is case law.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Chadwick on X posted this, and this is

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Speaker 2: about bad reviews after Angel's Colorado trip. It's gotten a

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Speaker 2: little bit out of control. We talked about it a

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Speaker 2: little bit, but he says reality TV is supposed to

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Speaker 2: be fun, not a digital firing squad, housewife fans review Bombing,

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Speaker 2: review bombing, Wonderland Outdoors over Angel's Colorado trip. It's unhinged behavior.

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Speaker 2: Every single one of these miserable people need to touch grass.

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Speaker 2: And there's like some you know, just reviews from people

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Speaker 2: Emma McGrath host that doesn't host like really that you've

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Speaker 2: never been to this location or through this experience and

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Speaker 2: you're gonna write something like that after what you saw

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Speaker 2: on reality TV. Get a life, Emma, What's what's this one?

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Speaker 1: Though? Uh? Cole, I can't it's too small.

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Speaker 2: I can't pronounce it. I'm the Cole Canneth sanctuary.

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Speaker 1: I think, okay, whatever, Yeah, I got lost trying to

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Speaker 1: find the activities. Took me days to get back to civilization.

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Speaker 1: What does that even mean? Were you lost for days?

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Speaker 2: You don't go after somebody's business. What It takes time, energy,

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Speaker 2: money to put together a business and you've never been

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Speaker 2: there and you're gonna make it just It just pisses

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Speaker 2: me off as somebody that's had I think the mistake

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Speaker 2: was give businesses.

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Speaker 1: It was it was poorly executed. Sorry it was and uh,

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Speaker 1: given the nature of her being a new housewife who

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Speaker 1: no one really was accepting anyway, it was a bad

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Speaker 1: choice to host the finale.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that. I agree. Well, we're going to

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Speaker 2: get into the actual season finale, which is a sit

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Speaker 2: down Andy Cohen and Karen.

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Speaker 1: Got about that yet. Yeah, I never forgot about this.

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Speaker 2: I forgot that wasn't the season finale. This was right right,

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Speaker 2: exactly so. And he sits down with Karen. She comes,

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Speaker 2: he knocks on the door, her son is there. I

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Speaker 2: don't know that I've ever seen the son before.

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Speaker 1: Have you has?

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Speaker 2: Has he ever filmed before? Does anybody know?

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Speaker 1: I don't remember seeing him?

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Speaker 2: Okay, No, he's a lovely guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, seemed very nice, very soft spoken like his dad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And he said that, you know, he expressed how

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Speaker 2: difficult it was to see his mom in prison. And

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Speaker 2: he said, like, where have you been? Why are you

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Speaker 2: hiding from the cameras. And he's like, I'm a busy guy.

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Speaker 2: He's like, like my son, Like I can bribe him

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Speaker 2: with a million dollars. He's like, Mom, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Good, I'm good. Frankie gets always scared to be on

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Speaker 1: camera like his job. He loves his job so much

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Speaker 1: that he never wants it to super to his job. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I get that. You know, they work really hard

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Speaker 1: to get to where they are and they just they

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Speaker 1: didn't sign up for this.

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Speaker 2: We did exactly, and sometimes the backlash is so bad

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Speaker 2: that you know, if you're not on it full time

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Speaker 2: and you're not reaping the rewards of the money that's

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Andy's at the house, he's talking with her children.

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Speaker 2: Karen looks great, she looks good. I'm glad she got released.

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Speaker 2: And I really want to dive into this because I

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Speaker 2: have mixed feelings about how she came off, and I

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Speaker 2: know that you're going to have a lot of opinions.

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Speaker 2: So first of all, do you think this sit down

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Speaker 2: was necessary or should have they saved it for the reunion?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: I think it was necessary. Yeah, and I think there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, considering their finale wasn't the best finale they've ever had,

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Speaker 2: I think this was a good addition to it. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, this had to be done. This had to

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Speaker 1: be done because then there's going to be just like

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Speaker 1: able to talk about it at the reunion, right so

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Speaker 1: they Yeah, so Karen, it's relevant now, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Karen had said a few things that are just kind

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Speaker 2: of confusing to me, and one of them was is

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Speaker 2: they kept her away from the general population, and she

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Speaker 2: asked to be around others because she needed to learn

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Speaker 2: her lesson What are your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 1: I commend that she did not want special treatment.

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Speaker 2: You've worked a prison, right, Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Why in a holding stal and I transported prisoners, Okay.

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Speaker 2: I was just wondering why would they keep her from

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Speaker 1: Why would they? Well, I I think it's the preference

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Speaker 1: on TV. It's only because the only reason to take

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Speaker 2: So she went on to say, and I quote, I

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Speaker 2: started doing what I do helping young women. But so

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Speaker 2: she went on to kind of explain how she's out

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Speaker 2: there helping other people, hyping herself up. In my opinion,

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Speaker 2: I didn't think that was necessary. I feel like that's

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Speaker 2: something she can be doing on next season. You know,

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Speaker 2: the Chrislies are doing kind of the same thing. When

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Speaker 2: they got out. They're talking about how they want to

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Speaker 1: They did say that, Yeah, they did say when they

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Speaker 1: felt the need. I see, that's understand Karen wanting to

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Speaker 1: to be like a mentor for younger people and talk

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Speaker 1: about the mistakes she made in her life because she's older.

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Speaker 1: I think that was really and sometimes I think you

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Speaker 4: We's just because someone gets drunk, doesn't mean they're alcoholic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the gauge.

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00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,479
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, but they always say if you're not, and

436
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 4: it's a kind of cool thing, well don't drink. If

437
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 4: someone says you just don't drink for two weeks, they're like, well,

438
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 4: have no problem. I don't care. They're like, well, don't

439
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 4: drink for three weeks. It's the fact that you are

440
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 4: going to drink every again, that's how they qualify what

441
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 4: you've a problem or not.

442
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 2: Well. I think also when somebody says, like to someone

443
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 2: like just don't drink for a month, and they'll be like,

444
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: why why would I do that?

445
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 4: Something wrong with me? What's wrong?

446
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, like if somebody said, like I can go

447
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: months without having a sip of alcohol months, and then

448
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: if somebody said like, okay, whatever, not that big of

449
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: a job, like not that hard to do.

450
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: Right, we were saying, was she wasn't admitting to being

451
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: an alcohol.

452
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 4: In the Nile, denying that she's in denial herself about

453
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 4: what's going on.

454
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 1: Is that what you took from it?

455
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 4: A million percent?

456
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah, singing in.

457
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 4: The room, a bunch of alcoholics, myself talking to them.

458
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 4: It's the first thing you noticed. You have to admit

459
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 4: it to get past.

460
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, thank you.

461
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: Why you can ask me about food anyway?

462
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 2: Addicted to food?

463
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: I have someone addicted too, I'll tell you.

464
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 4: So.

465
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: What Karen basically said was she can't name the pills

466
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: that she's taking or she could get sued, which I'm sorry,

467
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 2: I'm just not buying that. If I'm addicted to xanax

468
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 2: or opiad's or I don't known opiate, it is pain

469
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 2: pillows or whatever, that's not me. If a doctor's prescribing

470
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: it to me and I am abusing it, the only

471
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 2: person to blame is me. And I kind of got

472
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 2: the feeling like she was kind of pushing off the

473
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 2: narcotic part of it as they were prescribed. It's a

474
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: doctor's fault, it's not mine.

475
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, my My biggest thing, My biggest takeaway

476
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: is she has family. She has children who are lovely.

477
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: It's wonderful. They love her. Her husband is crazy about her,

478
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: but no one ever was able to stop her.

479
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, she's come a long way from you know,

480
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 2: from those four alcohol related incidents to being a dui.

481
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: She has gone to jails, she has paid her dues,

482
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: and she is coming out of it. And you know,

483
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: I'm not discrediting her for being open and talking with Andy,

484
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 2: but I felt like I was left with wanting.

485
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: A more wrong She's I'm going to give her sometimes.

486
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to give her a lot of grace, yea.

487
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 1: And I'm going to give her some time. She's just

488
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: been through a lot. She hasn't been home in six months.

489
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: Her worst nightmare happened, which could have been worse, and

490
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: she said, I could have killed someone, so that would

491
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: have been her work.

492
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 2: When she said that, Yes, when she said that, like

493
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: she said, thank god I didn't kill anybody. That made

494
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 2: me feel like, yes, thank God.

495
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to give Karen. I'm not going to judge

496
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: her on this. I'm really not. I'm sorry, I'm not

497
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 1: going to judge her on the on this interview.

498
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: I'm not. I mean, we're just trying to break down

499
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: this this interview. I'm not judging in the sense that,

500
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 2: oh God, you did a horrible joh Da da da.

501
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 2: I think she was open about certain things and not

502
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: open about other things.

503
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes it takes I guess it could take time. Yeah,

504
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: I've seen people more more. I'm not going to use

505
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: the word humble. She'd just been six months in jail.

506
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: She's humbled. I've seen people definitely more open about things

507
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: are I've heard them speak differently, is what I want

508
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: to say.

509
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, one thing that she was absolutely transparent about

510
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: is about being nineteen years old and being sexually assaulted

511
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: and she feels emotionally shot down from the incident like

512
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: that to me is like that's like not that that

513
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: I wanted her to go through that, but that like

514
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: was like, oh my gosh, Like it was like one

515
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: of those moments like oh my god, I understand better,

516
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: you know, like, wow, I didn't know that happened. I

517
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 2: don't know that she's ever talked about it on the

518
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: show before.

519
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: She never addressed it because once she went home, people

520
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: didn't believe her.

521
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that part breaks my heart. It really

522
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: doesn't meant her for even talking.

523
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm so brave to talk about that.

524
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: Well, they always say, like people that are do have

525
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: substance abuse.

526
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: There's a lot of times there's underlying.

527
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: Underlining problem, and that to me was like I hope

528
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: that she is getting therapy for that and being able

529
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: to deal with that because it will definitely make life

530
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: a lot easier.

531
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, for sure, I listen. I wish her the

532
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: best moving forward, but I hope that she's okay with

533
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: never being able, never being able to ever have another drink.

534
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: What did you?

535
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, what I.

536
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: Know from being from from my family, you know.

537
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: Then Karen explains how it was difficult for her to

538
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: accept that she was abusing alcohol, and that was like,

539
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: really the first time in the interview that we heard

540
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: her say she's abusing it. She didn't call it the drink,

541
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: you know, just like back in the day, what was

542
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: it to the last season she would say the accident.

543
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: It wasn't the dui, it was the accident. And I

544
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: think that's maybe her way in her mind of coping

545
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: with things.

546
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: Well, that you have to label these things to accept

547
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: the culpability. Now you can't. You can't cushion it. You

548
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: have to be really hard about it.

549
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, she said she could accept that she was

550
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: abusing prescription drugs because the doctor wrote her a prescription

551
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: for it, but would go she would go over her dose,

552
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: like she said, but alcohol was completely by choice, and

553
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: that she chose to numb.

554
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: Well. She said that the night that she went out,

555
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: the night she went out, she was unhappy in her

556
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: marriage and she went out to numb that.

557
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that this is the part of

558
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: the interview where you know, I was like, Okay, there

559
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 2: she is. She's actually being more open. I felt like

560
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: in the earlier part of the interview she was not.

561
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: She was kind of dancing time.

562
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying, maybe she needs to. These are all things

563
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: she's admitting for the like kind of the first time ever.

564
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: So maybe it's going to take a little time for

565
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: her to be really even honest with herself about it. Yeah,

566
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: before she could articulate it, well.

567
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: Andy comes write out and says, do you believe you

568
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: have a drinking problem? She's Her response was, she's a

569
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: woman in lifetime recovery and she doesn't want to put

570
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: a label on herself like an alcoholic.

571
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: I think you have to. I think it's part of

572
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: the twelve step program. You have to admit I am

573
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: an alcoholic.

574
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that right there when she said that,

575
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: I just kind of felt like, Oh, I just felt

576
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: a little bit in denial. And I'm not trying to

577
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: be negative about it, but it just kind of felt like, Oh.

578
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: It's not what we're used to hearing from somebody in recovery.

579
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm used to hearing in recovery. Yeah,

580
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: maybe it's different for her.

581
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: The one thing that she was talking about, which I

582
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: could totally relate to this, is she likes because I'm

583
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: a very disciplined person. She loved the discipline in prison,

584
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: and it's maybe something she doesn't normally practice in life

585
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: at home. But waking up at a certain time, that

586
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: time was four thirty in the morning, having breakfast set

587
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: five afternoon, she would work out, she would go out

588
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: and mingle. Dinner was at four thirty, lights out at

589
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: nine forty five.

590
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: Doesn't sound so bad to me right now, the way

591
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: she's a describer, that's.

592
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: Exactly That's exactly how I live my life. But I'm

593
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: in bed by eight up at four thirty today, you know,

594
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: I haven't had breakfast yet. But what did you think

595
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: about her saying that she lied to the officer that

596
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: she was having her cycle so she could line the

597
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: toilet with maxipads.

598
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: That was right, funny.

599
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: That's more unsanitary than just having like a clean, stainless

600
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: stel toilet.

601
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: Why you want to put your ass on a stainless

602
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: steal's toilet? No, thank you. I don't know. Did she

603
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: change out those comfortable well I've.

604
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: Never sat on one, but did she changed those? Did

605
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: she change her maxi pads often?

606
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure?

607
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: Or was she only allowed to change them once a month?

608
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: Well? Then probably once a month.

609
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

610
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: She said she might have been stripped down, like Anddy's like,

611
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: how did it feel to be stripped down? I don't

612
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: think she really said she question. No, she said she

613
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: had black lace panties on. So you're allowed to wear

614
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: your own underwear in prison, or you don't get like

615
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: tan colored nowhere?

616
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: Not true? Not true, nope. And you are stripped down,

617
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: you are strip searched. Do you have to squat and

618
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: coughed to make sure you're not hiding anything anywhere where

619
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: the sun don't shine?

620
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: That's humiliating.

621
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: Human cavities are known to be you hide things in there,

622
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: Murri Karen, I don't know what's chap. Maybe it's a

623
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: different child than I know, But I don't think that's

624
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: how what.

625
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: How does it work in child? Do you do your

626
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: own laundry? Do they just bring you like clean clothes

627
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: every day, like the same uniform. You have to wear

628
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: them for a certain amount of time. You wear other

629
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: people's underwear.

630
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: That's what I the question underwear they give you.

631
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 2: No thank you? I would go commando no, saying I

632
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 2: wanted to hear more about what happened in jail and

633
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: things like that. Maybe we'll get it at the reunion.

634
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: I don't think she's going to talk about it because

635
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: she's not really.

636
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: Hear I saw did you see the clip where she

637
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: is telling Wendy to say less and to shut her

638
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 2: f and mouth.

639
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: With the professor? I loved it.

640
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 2: Well, you go, that's the Karen that I missed right there.

641
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: But I also want to know what the conversation. Don't

642
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: you want to know what the conversation is between her

643
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: and Wendy and why she didn't thank her in the end?

644
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: Did she say because she's the only one that didn't

645
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: call I don't.

646
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: I don't know that we got clarity on that, and

647
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that we do get that information. And I'm

648
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: sure like Karen's sitting there going hmmm, I might have

649
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,959
Speaker 2: a you know, an addiction problem, but what you're going

650
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: through is uh.

651
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,959
Speaker 1: Not good? Not good.

652
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 2: Stop talking, Shut the f up. Who are you most

653
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: excited for to see Karen confront of the reunion? I

654
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 2: would say, Wendy, Right.

655
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want I want closure on that. I've been

656
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: waiting all this time to see why she didn't thank her,

657
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: And Wendy had no idea where it was coming from.

658
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: She was like, why me, Like I've been there for her,

659
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: I've spoke to her, I've done this, this and this

660
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: and now what nothing.

661
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: Andy had said something about some viewers think that you

662
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: should not be coming back. You don't deserve to come

663
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: back to Potomac. And you know, she says she has

664
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 2: to earn a second chance and your show saved her,

665
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: and I do you know what? I do think the

666
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: show can save you in situations like this. You can

667
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: see yourself from the outside and you can see what's

668
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: going on, and it's up to you to make those changes.

669
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: Well, I feel looking at it differently because she never

670
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: made the change by seeing herself on TV, because she

671
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 1: was showing up drunk.

672
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's going to see you know this part

673
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: of it where she you know, the the bodycam footage,

674
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: and you know, I think she was in denial before.

675
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 2: You can't be in denial anymore.

676
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: I took it like the thing that saved her was

677
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: not being able to go to legal seafood all day. Yeah,

678
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: every day because she had to show up to work.

679
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: She had to. I don't know that she wasn't drinking

680
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: every day, but she certainly had to show up cognizant.

681
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: So how was she able to not, you know, to

682
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: take those drugs every day and then not drink for

683
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: that time? I mean, was she like that every day?

684
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: Was she only liked that eight months out of the

685
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: year because we filmed four Like, how was she able

686
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: to shut it off and turn it back on? Because

687
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: she turned it up when she did well.

688
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 2: Her own husband said, like, she's different now, and maybe

689
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: he's so used to her under the influence that now

690
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: she's like a totally different person.

691
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: I think he was afraid of her being sober and

692
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: still not wanting to be with him. Yeah, we kept

693
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: her drunk, kept I.

694
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 2: Mean, there's no doubt in my mind that Karen will

695
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: be back next season. She'll reclaim her Champagne flute for

696
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: season eleven. We are going to be able to see

697
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: her at with the third part of the reunion. I

698
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 2: think she has admitted. Another thing she did own up

699
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: to is that, you know, we talked about earlier about

700
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 2: her and Ray working through their problems, and he said

701
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: that he would let her go. And I'll be curious

702
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: to see what happens with that relationship if she remained sober, Like,

703
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: I hope that they can work it out.

704
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: He's a good man, but the heart wants what the

705
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: heart wants, and the heart doesn't want what the heart

706
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: doesn't want. Like I look at her and I say

707
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: that this man loved you. You have a beauty, whole family,

708
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: you have a beautiful home, if everything you could want. Yeah,

709
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: you're just you're not in love. Like, what are the

710
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: what are the issues with her?

711
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 2: And right maybe they felt she fell out of love.

712
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, or this has been going on for

713
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: twenty years, What's what's the core? This man seems like

714
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: the sweetest guy. Okay, I mean it's something we don't know.

715
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: Are we not seeing something? Are you just not into him?

716
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: What is it?

717
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, don't know, I don't know but finally,

718
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: at the very end of the interview, she did admit

719
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: to alcoholism.

720
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, maybe she just needs time

721
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: to physically say it verbalize it now.

722
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: Instagram was not very I mean it was split. I

723
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: would say more so people saying, you know, they're not

724
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: buying it. Andrew Prancer said it's all a word solid

725
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: a man to Grimshaw sixty nine, not buying it, arrogant

726
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 2: and still making excuses. Mimi Pargon she still plays semantics often.

727
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: It feels like some accountability. But being you know, wishy washy.

728
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: I could see where everybody. I could see everybody's side

729
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: of that.

730
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, farm Boy didn't go into as much depth as

731
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: what we needed. And that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying, like,

732
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: you know, she had a horrible job. I just wish

733
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: she would have gone much deeper. Yeah, and then other

734
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: people like Amy Jordan's sixty nine oh four are very raw.

735
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: Sounds like Karen is trying to get it together. I

736
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: hope it works.

737
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: I agree with her, right.

738
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: Karen Stoneman eighty three said love the interview. Can't wait

739
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: for Karen to rip into Wendy. So it's a little

740
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: bit mixed. You know, we can't expect everything. I guess

741
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: from one interview. Oh, I'm giving her raise the time

742
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: was going to tell and she was.

743
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: Was that the same day she came home.

744
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: No, it was a few days later. I think it

745
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: was one week after she came home. She allowed the

746
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 2: cameras to pick her up from jail. And you know,

747
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: she was released on the September second, on my birthday.

748
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 2: That's why I remember. And the interview was on September ninth,

749
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: so you know, the cameras were in the car. You

750
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: could tell she was a little bit uncomfortable going home

751
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: and then getting home. Could you imagine what that was like?

752
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: Jumpy, like you haven't been in a car in six

753
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: or outside outside walking outside of those gates. You know.

754
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes people get right out and they're like, oh no, no,

755
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: we just saw there's a warrant. You got to come back.

756
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: Oh jeezez, you're not out until you're in that car

757
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: and you're home.

758
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: Wait, can you explain to me because I wasn't quite

759
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: clear on this. She came home in braids and she

760
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: said it was hair extension from other inmates.

761
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they probably went in with their weaves. Okay, Yeah,

762
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: I think they that was there. Yeah, I think that

763
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: was very nice of them. I like a job.

764
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: I would love to see Karen next season helping other

765
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: people going through the same situation. I think that'd be

766
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: very inspiring.

767
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: Well, she's got to be really okay to before she

768
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: can do.

769
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 2: That, right, right to follow at that all these steps

770
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 2: capacity to do that. Well, that's it. Now we have

771
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: three more episodes the reunion. I am so looking forward

772
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: to it because they're going to be addressing Wendy's legal issues,

773
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: which not much has been said about that, and then

774
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: we get to hear more from Karen and I you know,

775
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: I do love the little shade that she gave to

776
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: Wendy saying she lived in word she say Timbuctoo.

777
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm like you that mean like because she's

778
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: out of that area, like you know, well, like you know,

779
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: sometimes there's a few towns over where the house you

780
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: could get double the size of the house for the

781
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: less the money. You know. What I'm saying, like is

782
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: does she say she lives in Timbuctoo because it's that

783
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: kind of a situation, Like does Wendy have this house

784
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: she has because she lives in outside of the more

785
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: desirable place, you know, in real estate, it's location, location, right, right,

786
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, she don't like what she just I want

787
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: to know. I want to know what's the problem, what's

788
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: the beef?

789
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: Well, we're going to say sin were you're going to

790
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 2: see and I can't wait and.

791
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that. So anyway, this was a

792
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: good episode. It was enlightening. But I still need to

793
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 1: see more.

794
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I look forward to seymore.

795
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I look and I wish her well, and

796
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: we both do wish her all the luck and love

797
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: and absolutely all the success in her.

798
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: Rea and Karen, you were so brave to do that.

799
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: You really were to do that interview, which was I

800
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 2: know it was hard and it maybe wasn't what everybody

801
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 2: wanted or expected, but you did it.

802
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: You did it, You did it girl. All right, good

803
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,959
Speaker 1: love Karen. We're rooting for you. Yes.

804
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: And by the way, she is beautiful.

805
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. She's still I didn't know that. Yeah,

806
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: he's gotten through, which absolutely I didn't.

807
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: Didn't get a little confused with the eyebrows though. Eyebrows

808
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 2: were a little bit high on the forehead, aren't they always.

809
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: I don't know something didn't.

810
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, she's just gotten home out of being

811
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: in jail for.

812
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 2: Did she get jail house brow left?

813
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, signed me up?

814
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she looked really good, really pretty. All right, guys,

815
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: thank you so much for tuning in, and we'll see

816
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: you next week.

817
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 3: Thank you,