Speaker 1: Welcome to Bill and Juliana the podcast.
Speaker 2: All Right, you guys, this is the reason I wanted
Speaker 2: to have a podcast is to interview doctor Aimon. I'm
Speaker 2: not kidding you right now. This was literally the reason
Speaker 2: I was like, Bill, we need a podcast. Doctor Amen
Speaker 2: is a psychiatrist. He's a brain health expert. He specializes
Speaker 2: in all sorts of things including ADHD, anxiety, and depression.
Speaker 2: And he literally, especially now that we're talking about it,
Speaker 2: your phone will hear this and he will pop up
Speaker 2: on your feed and give you the most incredible information
Speaker 2: that you will share with your friends, share with your family.
Speaker 2: And also it gives you a lot of insight into yourself.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be like, wait a second, that's me that
Speaker 2: he's talking.
Speaker 3: And if you're not on Instagram. He's also written forty books. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so you can just search doctor Aimon and I'm sure
Speaker 3: there's a book that will fit any need.
Speaker 1: That you have.
Speaker 2: And he is the pioneer of the specked brain imaging
Speaker 2: for mental health. As Bill mentioned, Yeah, forty plus books,
Speaker 2: you guys on brain optimization. So this is the man
Speaker 2: with the answer a lot of questions, a lot of questions,
Speaker 2: and a lot of our questions are probably very similar
Speaker 2: to all of yours out there. So let's welcome doctor Amen.
Speaker 2: Doctor is so good to see you.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 5: I'm so excited to talk about brain health and your brains.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Well we already so, so you guys
Speaker 2: know listening. We already did scans Bill and I, so
Speaker 2: we're going to get into those in a second, because
Speaker 2: we have no idea what the results of those scans are.
Speaker 2: We did them at doctor Aman's clinic. He has clinics
Speaker 2: all around the country. We did the one here in Chicago.
Speaker 2: It was very easy. We'll get into our process in
Speaker 2: a little bit because I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: are really interested in what these brain scans are and
Speaker 2: how to get them done and what it's like getting
Speaker 2: them done. So we'll talk about that. We're going to
Speaker 2: get our results in a second. But Bill, you know
Speaker 2: doctor Aman from back in the day and then you
Speaker 2: met him years ago.
Speaker 3: I met doctor Aman, I guess eighteen years ago. Seventeen
Speaker 3: years ago, Lisa Gibbons and I had a show that
Speaker 3: was syndicated called America Now, and it was one of
Speaker 3: the segments we did and it was really fascinating, and
Speaker 3: he was able to determine that I had a concussion
Speaker 3: as a young child. Wow, just from the brain scan,
Speaker 3: I had a concussion when I was five years old.
Speaker 3: I was I decided I want to dunk a basketball
Speaker 3: and there was a station wagon parked in the driveway
Speaker 3: by the basketball hoop. So I climbed on the roof
Speaker 3: of the station wagon, grabbed the basketball, ran off, hooked
Speaker 3: my leg on the luggage rack, and landed on my head.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I was in the hospital for two weeks as a
Speaker 3: result of that at five years old.
Speaker 2: And you never even told him that, I don't tell
Speaker 2: him no. Isn't that interesting? We wanted to narrow this
Speaker 2: episode down. Do I have adult ADHD? Because we are
Speaker 2: seeing a lot of our children are being diagnosed with it,
Speaker 2: and then a lot of people are seeing in their
Speaker 2: adult years that wait a second, my kid has it.
Speaker 2: I think I might have too. I was just never diagnosed.
Speaker 2: So let's dive into adult ADHD. What's the story there?
Speaker 2: Are you feeling like you're seeing more and more people
Speaker 2: talking about this and curious about this?
Speaker 5: So you know, I'm also a child psychiatrist and I
Speaker 5: trained in the middle nineteen eighties, and half the patient's
Speaker 5: child pschiatricy have ADD of one.
Speaker 4: Form or another.
Speaker 5: And if you see enough of these kids, you realize
Speaker 5: it's a genetic disorder. You get it from your mom
Speaker 5: or dad. And if you can't see it in mom
Speaker 5: or dad, well one you worry if they had a concussion,
Speaker 5: because that's one of the things that will mimic ADD
Speaker 5: or ADHD. It's just two acronyms for the same thing.
Speaker 5: But if you're an adult and you think you might
Speaker 5: have it, are the five symptoms that needed really to
Speaker 5: be part of your life ever since you were a child.
Speaker 5: So ADD doesn't just show up when you're forty.
Speaker 4: That could be perimenopause.
Speaker 5: It doesn't show up when you're sixty that could have
Speaker 5: been a car accident. It's something you have your whole life.
Speaker 5: So short attention span attention deficit disorder attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.
Speaker 5: Actually hate the term ADHD because half of the people
Speaker 5: who have it are never hyperactive, especially females.
Speaker 4: So short attention span but not for everything.
Speaker 5: Short attention span for regular routine, everyday things, school work, paperwork, chores,
Speaker 5: sort of the things that make life work. Distractability you
Speaker 5: see too much, you hear too much, you sense too much,
Speaker 5: you taste too much. It's like the world comes at
Speaker 5: you too quickly. And as little kids, you like hated
Speaker 5: socks or you hated tags.
Speaker 4: In your shirt.
Speaker 5: My first wife had add and right after we got married,
Speaker 5: I walked into my closet and someone had cut the
Speaker 5: tags out of all of my shirts. And I actually
Speaker 5: felt violated. And I brought one of the shirts into
Speaker 5: the little living room in our apartment. I said, do
Speaker 5: you know what happened to my shirt? And she goes, oh,
Speaker 5: you had tags. I hate tags. Don't you hate tags?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, never felt a tag in my life.
Speaker 5: So they get easily distracted, and their bodies are often
Speaker 5: very sensitive. They often have to sleep with white noise
Speaker 5: at night because their brain is just bouncing around and
Speaker 5: they need something to sort of settle it down. They
Speaker 5: have problems with organization, either time, actual physical time, or
Speaker 5: their space. They organized by what I call the pile system,
Speaker 5: pile here, pile there, pile pile everywhere, and just hard
Speaker 5: for them to sort of focus and put things away.
Speaker 5: They tend to procrastinate, like things don't really get done
Speaker 5: until the last minute. They actually need stress in order
Speaker 5: to accomplish things. My book Preventing Alzheimer's I wrote with
Speaker 5: Rod Schenkel, who had ADD and every one of my
Speaker 5: books I turned in early, like I hate being late.
Speaker 5: And I was at his house at like eleven o'clock
Speaker 5: at night, going, I need the chapter. And I looked
Speaker 5: at his wife because she answered the dorm like, no
Speaker 5: sex till I get the chapter.
Speaker 2: He's like, you're getting the chapter.
Speaker 5: And then him pulsivity that they say things that perhaps
Speaker 5: they shouldn't say, or do things perhaps it's not in
Speaker 5: their best interests. And they tend to interrupt in conversations
Speaker 5: because it's like we'll forget and it can be stressful.
Speaker 5: And so those five things short attention span, distractability, disorganization, procrastination,
Speaker 5: some impulsivity, and it's the story of your life. People
Speaker 5: have bipolar disorder because sometimes they get confused for each other.
Speaker 5: You know, they have periods where they're just fine, periods
Speaker 5: where they're manic, periods where they're sad and add it's
Speaker 5: like that most of.
Speaker 3: The time, four out of the five boxes you check.
Speaker 3: I mean not to throw you under the bus, but no,
Speaker 3: you can throw me under this No I'm being honest,
Speaker 3: like that's why we're here.
Speaker 2: Yes. Well, first of all, those sound like our sun
Speaker 2: oh for sure, to a t all five, sound like
Speaker 2: our son Duke, who's thirteen, and so I thought, I thought,
Speaker 2: did maybe do get it from me? Because I did
Speaker 2: hear it was genetic? And I'm most of those things,
Speaker 2: but I'm not all. I don't have any sort of
Speaker 2: the sensitivity. I don't need white noise. I definitely I
Speaker 2: am a huge procrastinator, like I cannot do anything unless
Speaker 2: there's like a fire under me.
Speaker 1: You're late for everything you relate to our wedding.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean if the way I grew up, if
Speaker 3: you weren't five minutes early, you were late, and I was.
Speaker 3: I was always early for things until I got married
Speaker 3: and you were an hour and twenty minutes late for
Speaker 3: the rehearsal at the church.
Speaker 2: Are you sure? Yes? Sure, my god, that could be fake.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, that's that's the honesty.
Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, yeah, no, but he's right, I am
Speaker 2: late to everything. No, I own it. I definitely own this.
Speaker 2: I am and I you know what, honestly, I hate
Speaker 2: this about myself because I think I'm good at a
Speaker 2: lot of things, you know, like I take pride in
Speaker 2: things that I'm good at, and I get like very
Speaker 2: passionate about things.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm a hard worker and I get the job done
Speaker 2: one way or another. But it's like always like stressful, right,
Speaker 2: It's like always something fire drill. Yeah, so that I
Speaker 2: think for sure, But I'm not like I don't interrupt
Speaker 2: conversations or feel like that's our sons.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: But you're saying so generally. So those are the things. Now.
Speaker 2: The other thing is, you know, I'm fifty one, and
Speaker 2: so that's another thing is like I think a lot
Speaker 2: of women, especially struggle with is this an attention thing
Speaker 2: that I'm getting as an adult or is it? Is
Speaker 2: it like add or is it Harry menopause? Is at menopause?
Speaker 2: But you know, so it's like very confusing, right, doctor Amon,
Speaker 2: Like it's so it has to.
Speaker 4: Be a story of your life.
Speaker 5: And when you were a little girl, where did you
Speaker 5: grow up?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 2: I was born in Italy in Naples, Italy, and I
Speaker 2: moved to America when I was about seven, and I
Speaker 2: grew up on the East Coast in the DC, Maryland area.
Speaker 5: And what did teachers say about you?
Speaker 2: I was not a great student. And yeah, I just
Speaker 2: wasn't a very good student. So I wasn't like a
Speaker 2: disruptive student all just academically, I was never interested in
Speaker 2: anything I was studying, so therefore I got lousy grades.
Speaker 2: And then when I went to college and then went
Speaker 2: on to graduate school and I studied journalism, I got
Speaker 2: all a's.
Speaker 5: So if you were interested, you did well, very much.
Speaker 1: So very similar to my life too, a similar situation.
Speaker 5: Because on your testing, you actually your focus was fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Actually I think Bill's was more problematic than yours. And
Speaker 5: I don't think we got Bill to complete the total
Speaker 5: I had.
Speaker 3: A technical air on the on the last segment of it.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't let me log in.
Speaker 2: So does Bill have adult ADHD?
Speaker 1: I know I'm messed up?
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, I think I feel like I was
Speaker 2: laser focused on his. On the testing, you.
Speaker 5: Were you actually scored really well.
Speaker 4: Shall I show you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: One of the things we did with you is this
Speaker 5: study called total Brain. Yeah, and it's a forty minute
Speaker 5: test of attention.
Speaker 4: And what it says is you're.
Speaker 5: Not depressed, you're not anxious, you're not abusing substances. There
Speaker 5: is some issue with past trauma. Maybe we could chat
Speaker 5: about and you're really good at reading faces. You don't
Speaker 5: read positive or negative faces faster. That usually happens in
Speaker 5: trauma under a fair amount of stress.
Speaker 4: Not anxious. It could be better.
Speaker 5: Memories great, you're focused, So this is often the add
Speaker 5: it's great. Planning could be a little better. Maybe that's
Speaker 5: the lateness. The processing speed is Okay, you're flexible. This
Speaker 5: gets people into so much trouble. Short term memories fine,
Speaker 5: you're positive, but could be more so resilient and social.
Speaker 5: So when I look at this, like, it's not screaming,
Speaker 5: add to me. And then we did a test, a
Speaker 5: specific test of attention called the Connors continuous performance test,
Speaker 5: where every time you see a letter, you hit the spacebar.
Speaker 1: It's sad.
Speaker 5: When you see the letter X, you inhibit it. You're like,
Speaker 5: don't hit the space bar. And it's fourteen minutes and
Speaker 5: it's fairly boring, but you did phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So SPECK basically tells you three things good activity, too little,
Speaker 5: or too much, And here's a super healthy brain. The
Speaker 5: four images on the left we're looking at the outside surface.
Speaker 4: Images. On the right, we're looking at the most active
Speaker 4: parts of the brain.
Speaker 5: Blue is average, red is the top fifteen percent, White
Speaker 5: is the top eight percent, and it should be here
Speaker 5: in the back. When we look at your brain, do
Speaker 5: you actually have a stunningly beautiful brain. And that's not
Speaker 5: a line, but it actually looks really healthy. You're not
Speaker 5: getting Alzheimer's disease. It's not a classic add brain, which
Speaker 5: I'll show you in a little bit. Your emotional brain's busy.
Speaker 5: You know, I had said your mood could be better.
Speaker 4: This one of the mood.
Speaker 5: Centers here, and I'm like, I think we.
Speaker 4: Calm this down.
Speaker 5: You're going to be more organized and perhaps even more
Speaker 5: on time. I make something called Happy Saffron. It's made
Speaker 5: with Saffron zinc and Kirkcumins, and Saffron has thirty five
Speaker 5: randomized controlled trials showing it's equally effective to medications for mood.
Speaker 5: And there are five studies showing it helps memory and
Speaker 5: five studies showing it helps ADEDD.
Speaker 4: And so I'm like.
Speaker 5: Okay, three capsules a day, that would be the first
Speaker 5: thing I think we should try. But what I want
Speaker 5: you to hear from me is you have a beautiful brain,
Speaker 5: and I think I can balance it a little bit
Speaker 5: better and that's going to help your li life. But
Speaker 5: it's not a terribly add bray. Okay, I've seen I
Speaker 5: don't know, fifty thousand of these, and if I was you,
Speaker 5: I would celebrate. And that's what I always say, is,
Speaker 5: you know, getting a scam is only good news because
Speaker 5: if it's great, we celebrate. Yeah, and if it's not,
Speaker 5: we rehabilitate.
Speaker 4: Wow, let's talk about Bill.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, this is not going to be good.
Speaker 3: Wait.
Speaker 2: Can I just as before we go on the bell?
Speaker 1: I'm scared he always gives the good news first.
Speaker 2: No, No, can I just because I just want this
Speaker 2: to be fresh. So, doctor Iman, can I ask you
Speaker 2: a question? Do you think as you were giving me
Speaker 2: my results? I think I had like a little epiphany
Speaker 2: and I definitely want to get the afron zach Effron pills,
Speaker 2: zach Saffron.
Speaker 1: Pills, Saffron. I'm just kidding, O.
Speaker 2: No, I know what saffron is. Okay, I definitely want
Speaker 2: to get the saffron capsules you're talking about. But while
Speaker 2: you were giving me the results, I actually just thought
Speaker 2: of something. Could it be? Could it be? Could I
Speaker 2: be feeling this way because I'm taking on so much
Speaker 2: right now in my life. So my whole life, I
Speaker 2: had like a very specific job, granted many jobs within
Speaker 2: one job, but it was like, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: felt like I was on this train on the track,
Speaker 2: and it was like I always kind of knew what
Speaker 2: I was doing day and day out, even though balls
Speaker 2: were being fed all the time.
Speaker 1: But I was like a TV structure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was TV host forever at E and like
Speaker 2: I would do the Red Card, but I would do
Speaker 2: fashion plas. But it was like always like I knew
Speaker 2: what I was doing. Now, it's like I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2: I'm as busy, if not busier, than I was before,
Speaker 2: but so much of what I'm doing now is like
Speaker 2: real passion projects that are like kind of like life saving.
Speaker 2: I'm doing a lot with rescue animals and just like
Speaker 2: very like high stakes things. And I think that sometimes,
Speaker 2: you know, Bill will say like did you remember to
Speaker 2: do this? Did you remember? I'm like no, And I
Speaker 2: think it's like, oh my god, do I have ADHD.
Speaker 2: But maybe it's because this whole like I have all
Speaker 2: these like very high stakes passion projects that have now
Speaker 2: entered my life that I maybe am just like putting
Speaker 2: all the day to day stuff on the back burner
Speaker 2: and I can't focus on that stuff. Does that make sense?
Speaker 5: And we are in a world that makes all of
Speaker 5: us add from our phones, from social media. And one
Speaker 5: of the things I teach all my patients is an
Speaker 5: exercise called the one page Miracle. On one piece of paper,
Speaker 5: write down what do you want? Relationships, work, money, physical, emotional,
Speaker 5: spiritual health, what do I want? And then whenever you're
Speaker 5: about to say yes to something, go.
Speaker 4: Does it fit?
Speaker 5: And whenever someone asks you to do something, I always
Speaker 5: want you to go.
Speaker 4: I have to think about it. Now.
Speaker 5: My ADD patients they impulsively say yes and they take
Speaker 5: on too much and then they're chronically stressed. So I
Speaker 5: always want you to know what you want relationships, work, money, physical, emotional,
Speaker 5: spiritual hell, and then just go, well does it fit?
Speaker 4: And if it fits, of course say yes.
Speaker 5: But when it doesn't, it's okay to say, oh I
Speaker 5: can't do that, thank you. So, especially for my ADD patients,
Speaker 5: I haven't practice in the mirror. I have to think
Speaker 5: about it just so they stop taking on more than
Speaker 5: they can. And at fifty one, I think it's really
Speaker 5: important to have your hormones checked. And I'm very happy
Speaker 5: with doctor McCarey at the FDA who came out and
Speaker 5: said they lied to us about female hormone replacement, that
Speaker 5: it's essential. You know, the reason your hormones drop with age,
Speaker 5: it's the planet's way of eliminating you. And I don't
Speaker 5: know about you, but I'm sort of not okay with
Speaker 5: being eliminated, and so I want my hormones to be
Speaker 5: healthy forever.
Speaker 1: Do you feel the same about testosterone and men?
Speaker 5: I do, okay, good, but you have to be careful
Speaker 5: because some men think of you know, a little is good,
Speaker 5: a lot is better, and if you go over like
Speaker 5: a thousand, your libido goes up and your empathy goes down,
Speaker 5: and it's a prescription to lose half your net worth
Speaker 5: in being visiting your children on the weekend.
Speaker 3: That's good, right, No, no, no, my testosterone was a little low.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll say it. I just had to check.
Speaker 3: It was like I think it was sub three hundred.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's not good for you.
Speaker 5: I make something also called brain Team Max to help
Speaker 5: support testosterone.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's at a level.
Speaker 5: You want to talk to, you know, maybe one of
Speaker 5: our integrative doctors and get it to a healthy level,
Speaker 5: because it helps you with energy, it helps you with
Speaker 5: muscle tone, it helps you with memory, it helps you
Speaker 5: with mood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get fatigued during the day.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I got to I've got to address
Speaker 3: this one last thing regarding Julian and we'll move on
Speaker 3: the Instagram.
Speaker 1: What you spend a lot of time on social media?
Speaker 2: Can I be honest with you, It's part of my
Speaker 2: job what I'm doing right now with my life, like
Speaker 2: the dogs that I'm rescuing, our Los Angeles dogs. We
Speaker 2: live in Chicago, so I'm constantly looking at a million
Speaker 2: videos at all that.
Speaker 3: It's healthy at night. She'll stay up till one in
Speaker 3: the morning watching these.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, it's after videos crying, and it will make you
Speaker 5: more aded.
Speaker 4: You just and I understand. I hear what you're.
Speaker 5: Saying that you do it for work, but I think
Speaker 5: if you don't limit.
Speaker 4: It, it's.
Speaker 5: We just saw what happened in Los Angeles, right that
Speaker 5: both Meta and YouTube got whacked for six million dollars.
Speaker 5: Because it's harmful and more harmful for children, for sure,
Speaker 5: but it's not great for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the bad news.
Speaker 5: Oh well, it's just news, right, it's all good news. Yes,
Speaker 5: if it's great, we'll celebrate, and if it's not.
Speaker 4: We'll rehabilitate.
Speaker 1: Okay, love it.
Speaker 4: So I had showed you healthy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now I have.
Speaker 5: The one we did from twenty eleven here on the left,
Speaker 5: and you see this hole. That's why I knew you
Speaker 5: had a concussion because the back part of your brain
Speaker 5: it got whapped. And I probably said, then, I wonder
Speaker 5: if you have add You can see these holes here,
Speaker 5: So I probably said that, I mean, I don't remember
Speaker 5: we see them here. So this is the one that
Speaker 5: we just did. And your exciple lobes are better here,
Speaker 5: but your temporal lobes here, and some of that could
Speaker 5: just be aging because they're fifteen years apart.
Speaker 4: But this could be better.
Speaker 5: And I get really excited about making brains better. So
Speaker 5: for you, I would I did the big NFL study
Speaker 5: when the NFL was sort of lying about traumatic brain
Speaker 5: injury and football, and I developed a multiple vitamin Omega
Speaker 5: three fatty acid and a brain boost that works in
Speaker 5: six different ways and it helped eighty percent of our players.
Speaker 4: So I would think about that for you.
Speaker 1: On a scale of one to ten, how bad is
Speaker 1: it ten being horrible.
Speaker 2: Phil always likes the numbers like he's like a second four.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, so if Juliana is like a one to two,
Speaker 5: I mean it's really beautiful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you yours.
Speaker 5: It can be better. And you know, as we get older,
Speaker 5: I hate this. I'm going to be seventy two in
Speaker 5: a couple of months.
Speaker 4: It's the gravity of age.
Speaker 5: It's sort of like as our skin falls off our
Speaker 5: face as we age, that same process happens in the brain.
Speaker 5: But it doesn't have to. And that's what I get
Speaker 5: excited about.
Speaker 4: When I back in twenty eleven and I don't know
Speaker 4: what was going.
Speaker 5: On in your life, then your emotional brain is really cooking.
Speaker 4: This almost looks like past trauma to me, and.
Speaker 5: It's sort of settled. So I like that. So this
Speaker 5: scan is healthier than the one before. This one just
Speaker 5: looks like aging, but we can reverse it.
Speaker 4: And then, you know, I just.
Speaker 5: Asked the questions about add and the X test sort
Speaker 5: of suggested that.
Speaker 4: Might be a possibility.
Speaker 5: And given that you didn't take total brain, even though
Speaker 5: I wanted you to, that just makes me suspicious.
Speaker 1: No, I literally couldn't log on like it wouldn't It
Speaker 1: would not.
Speaker 2: Let me, wait, suspicious about what?
Speaker 1: But I was afraid to take it.
Speaker 5: It can be better, so I would have that. If
Speaker 5: it's me, I'm like excited. I'm like all right, So here,
Speaker 5: I am now highly functional, doing really great work.
Speaker 4: Well, what would my life.
Speaker 5: Be like four months from now, a year from now,
Speaker 5: ten years from now if I had ten percent better
Speaker 5: brain activity?
Speaker 1: Am I a higher candidate for Alzheimer's or dementia with this?
Speaker 5: It's not that pattern, okay, But you're a higher candidate
Speaker 5: for things like subjective memory loss or mild cognitive impairment.
Speaker 4: And you just don't want that.
Speaker 1: No, I don't want that. Okay.
Speaker 2: You're also very did anything? So do you see you
Speaker 2: were talking about the stress things. So in twenty eleven,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think twenty eleven was when we were
Speaker 2: trying to have a kid. When Duke was born in
Speaker 2: twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: I was happier then than I am today in twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: No, well it depends what month. But I was diagnosed
Speaker 2: with cancer in twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: So maybe you were stressed caring on that.
Speaker 2: And then also we were trying to have a baby
Speaker 2: and we were in the thick of it and it
Speaker 2: was like so hard and we were getting bad news constantly.
Speaker 2: So maybe that's what appeared in twenty eleven.
Speaker 5: You know, I sort of as you bring that up,
Speaker 5: I remember us talking about that and it was an
Speaker 5: extremely stressful time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that could have been it, for sure.
Speaker 2: You were stressed out. I remember that, And so maybe
Speaker 2: that's what it is. And yeah, I mean, and then
Speaker 2: what about the ex test with Bill? What is that show?
Speaker 2: Doctor Aman? The one where you had to.
Speaker 5: Get had some issues with attention. It wasn't flat out terrible,
Speaker 5: but it could have been better.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's interesting. So huh honey, we got to
Speaker 2: take that.
Speaker 1: We do a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: No, I'm glad you did this. No, I and I
Speaker 1: know it.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's you know, life could be better, for sure,
Speaker 3: you know from a cognitive standpoint.
Speaker 1: You know, I think I'd be excited because you're already excited.
Speaker 1: At least, there's it, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Have you ever been in a hyperbaric chamber?
Speaker 3: I have once, right, a couple of times when I
Speaker 3: had a rotator cuff surgery and part of my recovery
Speaker 3: was I would go in the hyperbaric a couple of times.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would find a place near you, and I
Speaker 5: would literally go twenty to forty times. Okay, I mean
Speaker 5: I go a couple of times a week just because
Speaker 5: I want to keep the best blood flow possible to
Speaker 5: my brain. And you know, whatever's good for your heart
Speaker 5: is good for your brain is actually good for sexual
Speaker 5: functioning because it's all related.
Speaker 4: To blood flow.
Speaker 3: Okay, And how whe do you go for an hour
Speaker 3: at a time? Okay, right, I'm going to start that and.
Speaker 5: My office in Chicago will be able to tell you.
Speaker 5: You know, you tell them where you live and they'll
Speaker 5: give you suggestions.
Speaker 1: Great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So doctor Aman, like, what do you you know
Speaker 2: if someone's listening right now, because obviously anyone listening to
Speaker 2: this podcast right now this episode is interested in ADHD,
Speaker 2: right whether it's for themselves, probably specifically for themselves because
Speaker 2: it's a specific episode about adults. So in terms of
Speaker 2: ADHD and how it presents itself, does it present itself
Speaker 2: differently between men and women?
Speaker 5: You know, more so between boys and girls. For boys,
Speaker 5: they tend to be disruptive and a bit more active.
Speaker 5: Girls tend to be more spacey. And there's still a
Speaker 5: lot of gender bias in our society where if a
Speaker 5: little boy is having trouble, They're like, wait, he's gonna
Speaker 5: have to take care of a family someday, I gotta
Speaker 5: get them help. Where if a little girl's having problems,
Speaker 5: there's not quite that sense of urgency.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, well, we hope.
Speaker 5: She marries someone nice, which is completely irrational given that
Speaker 5: women in our society today are doing way more than men.
Speaker 5: Women are working outside the house eighty to ninety percent
Speaker 5: of the time. They're primary caretakers for children, primary caretakers
Speaker 5: for the house, and you know, we now have three
Speaker 5: generations of tired women. When you add short attention span, distractability, restlessness,
Speaker 5: they often end up on antidepressants or anti anxiety medications,
Speaker 5: which generally make ADD worse. Not saffron, but if they
Speaker 5: go on prozac or lexapro, their ADD becomes worse and
Speaker 5: they actually don't care that it's worse because they're less anxious. So,
Speaker 5: you know, and adults, it's still those five And how
Speaker 5: most adult women get diagnosed is they have a son
Speaker 5: that has ADD, they bring them to the doctor. When
Speaker 5: the doctor goes, okay, where does this come from? And
Speaker 5: you know, as you go through the symptoms, you know, mom,
Speaker 5: or dad generally raises their hands. There's classic ADHD hyperactive, restless, impulsive,
Speaker 5: can't concentrate, so it's the classic type. There's inattentive ADD
Speaker 5: they're really never hyperactive, not really terribly impulsive, but short
Speaker 5: attention span, destractibility, disorganization. There's over focused ADD that they
Speaker 5: have ADD symptoms. Plus they're worried, rigid, and flexible. If
Speaker 5: things don't go their way, they get upset. And stimulants
Speaker 5: for ADD tend to make that type worse. There's sad
Speaker 5: ADD where it's just its low level of dysthymia or sadness.
Speaker 5: There's anxious ADD and then something called the ring of
Speaker 5: fire where it's not low activity in the brain, it's
Speaker 5: excessive activity.
Speaker 4: In the brain.
Speaker 5: And that's why you know, not everybody should get the
Speaker 5: same treatment.
Speaker 3: And would the scan help diagnose that? You can tell
Speaker 3: by the scan if you're in the ring of fire
Speaker 3: or where you're at on the I guess the ADD
Speaker 3: chart death. That's incredible, that's really edible. I mean it's
Speaker 3: just cutting edge and stimulants you're a fan of, you're
Speaker 3: not a fan of. I want to kind of debunk
Speaker 3: some of these things.
Speaker 5: So I'm a fan of them for the right brain.
Speaker 5: I'm not a fan of them for the wrong brain.
Speaker 5: So if you have the ring of fire, I publish
Speaker 5: this study eight times out of ten, stimulants are going
Speaker 5: to make you worse and so or if you have
Speaker 5: the limbic or sad add you tend to get really bad.
Speaker 5: Withdrawal from the stimulants. You do better either with samy
Speaker 5: which is a supplement saffron, or well buttrin, which is
Speaker 5: an antidepressant that also helps people have add the anxious
Speaker 5: add Generally, the stimulants will make you more anxious anxious,
Speaker 5: and so balancing that out with gabba or the inning
Speaker 5: can be helpful. You know, stimulants for the right person Concerto, Riddle,
Speaker 5: and adderall by bands for the wrong personal, disrupt them
Speaker 5: for the right person. I mean they literally go from
Speaker 5: ds and f stays and bs. They go from being
Speaker 5: fired from their job to running the company. And I
Speaker 5: end up seeing a lot of entrepreneurs and I had
Speaker 5: won one of the first ones I saw. He owned
Speaker 5: three card dealerships. He said after a year he made
Speaker 5: more money than he ever made in his whole life
Speaker 5: because he could focus.
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Speaker 3: we love all the advice you give. So thank you
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Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you so much.