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Speaker 1: The Hunting Collective is presented by Element. I guess I

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Speaker 1: grew up on an older role. Hey, everybody, welcome to

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Speaker 1: episode one thirty seven of The Hunting Collective. Phil's having

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Speaker 1: some troubles right now, give a little pep talk. It's

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Speaker 1: not a big deal. Try to upload a podcast for

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Speaker 1: The Mediator show hosted by Stephen Ranella. Yes, there are

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Speaker 1: some issues. I mean, if you listen to this podcast,

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Speaker 1: chances are you've probably listened to or actively listened to

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Speaker 1: the Meter podcast. Probably not, okay. Uh So we switched

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Speaker 1: of our shows. If you listen, you've probably noticed you

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Speaker 1: probably used something called dynamic advertisement insertion way behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: But like, but, I mean, this is the issue here.

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Speaker 1: So rather so, this means that ads are automatically added

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Speaker 1: So that way, if you even if you listen to

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Speaker 1: it's good. It's all about relevance. Yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 1: good for the listener, it's good for the company. Um.

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Speaker 1: One thing it's not good for is my sanity. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's relatively new tech and So this is the second

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Speaker 1: like something horribly wrong with it. I just want to say,

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Speaker 1: not your, not Producer Crean's fault. So I just want

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Speaker 1: you're gravely mistaken. This one correct if I'm wrong. This

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Speaker 1: one had Donald Trump Jr. As I guess that is true.

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Speaker 1: Very controversial. Uh, the talk itself was not that controversial.

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Speaker 1: But are you saying we're being taken down? I think

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Speaker 1: we're now pro guns elots was before we were anti gun' Um. Well,

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Speaker 1: when you're like, this is a bad idea, Move on, forward,

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Speaker 1: you pick it. Okay, okay, thank you. Um just just update.

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Speaker 1: Last week we announced our brand new title sponsor, Element L,

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Speaker 1: M and T, and we decided we would make a beverage.

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Speaker 1: We when I say we, more like I did you know.

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Speaker 1: going to continue to welcome you. We'll just welcome you

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Speaker 1: we're not. We're not. But I actually I loved the beverage.

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Speaker 1: your cocktail, how about hobo tears? You understand what Element

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Speaker 1: David Hasselhoff. I know you're a regular listener of the show.

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Speaker 1: Then he was was he like a famous singer in

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Speaker 1: He has a long music career that I don't think

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Speaker 1: ever got off the ground in America that that high.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he was a huge hit, huge star in Germany.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna take you into the interview now a

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Speaker 1: little bit of David Hasselhoff's true survivor. Oh look at this,

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Speaker 1: Look at David has Huh yeah, this is get you

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Speaker 1: up to five now, David Wise, Sorry, David Wise, what's up? Dude?

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Speaker 1: Hey brother, thanks for having me on. Hell yeah, thanks

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Speaker 1: for coming on. This is officially your second time on,

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Speaker 1: although the first time there was a bunch of other

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Speaker 1: idiots in the room. Who's Sam So Holy Yanni pittell

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Speaker 1: Us there our favorite people. We love you guys. Um,

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Speaker 1: what's going on over there? Man? You're back in Reno?

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Speaker 1: What's up? Yeah? I'm just living the COVID life, man,

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Speaker 1: Just uncertain about where I'm gonna go when I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go there, but um, certainly doing my best to enjoy

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Speaker 1: the time at home while I can and hanging out

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Speaker 1: with the fam and Uh, he was telling you just

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Speaker 1: got back from hunting, which my response to that is,

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Speaker 1: thank god somebody's out there hunting that can tell me

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Speaker 1: a hunting story, because I'm craving current updated activity in

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Speaker 1: the woods. Yes, I just got back from chasing California

446
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Speaker 1: blacktail for the first time, and UH definitely learned a lot,

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that much. Uh learned how hot

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00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: it really is in northern California in July. Learned how

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Speaker 1: crunchy that makes the grass when you're trying to spot

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Speaker 1: in stock, and um also learned that you can't make

451
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Speaker 1: deer be there when they're not there, So you know,

452
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Speaker 1: I got to learn lots of lessons. I actually did

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Speaker 1: fling one arrow uh and and hit a stick, which

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Speaker 1: I think everybody pretends that they hit a stick when

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Speaker 1: they shoot out of deer and miss, but um, I really,

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Speaker 1: I really did. I promised scouts on her hit a

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Speaker 1: branch on the way in and that was the end

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Speaker 1: of that opportunity, and that was kind of my last

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Speaker 1: opportunity of the hunt. But man, I feel like a

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Speaker 1: spot stock blacktails anywhere in California's it's a tough run. Man.

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Speaker 1: That's a that's a tough thing to be doing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think. I think the guys who do it well

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Speaker 1: and are really successful just do a great job of

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Speaker 1: patterning deer and setting up blinds or tree stands or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And um, you know, I didn't have that much intel

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Speaker 1: and didn't know what the pattern was. So I was like,

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Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna go out there and do this.

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Speaker 1: Do the public land or not public land, private land,

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Speaker 1: but um sparse sparse deer population struggle and see if

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Speaker 1: I can get one. Um. And it didn't work out,

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Speaker 1: but it definitely taught me a lot and I feel

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Speaker 1: like it really sharpened my skills for kind of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming you know, a Adam mule deer season right into

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Speaker 1: Utah mule deer. So um yeah. And I my my

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Speaker 1: philosophy on hunting is that, um, at least my experience

476
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Speaker 1: in the past shows that you can only be successful

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Speaker 1: once the suffer meter is completely full. So you get

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Speaker 1: out there every day, you spend every every mile you

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Speaker 1: put in on your feet and don't get something. The

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Speaker 1: suffer meter is just getting a little bit fuller, and

481
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Speaker 1: once it hits the top, that's when you know some

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Speaker 1: deer is gonna make a mistake and stand there and

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Speaker 1: let you shoot it. So that's why my philosophy anyways. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's all lean to something that's always say it's like

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Speaker 1: this is leading to something no matter what happens. And

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Speaker 1: I would say that's spotting and stalking deer like that

487
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Speaker 1: with your bow is one of those things that does

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Speaker 1: require repetition. Like that. You know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: things in hunting like just run into it. But the

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Speaker 1: practice of stalking up on a deer, no matter what

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Speaker 1: it is, elk, whatever, that just takes repetition and we

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Speaker 1: you know, would go down to Lunai or whatever good

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Speaker 1: in Hawaiian stalk access dere When you come back from that,

494
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Speaker 1: you feel like you have you're hunting, have switched on deer,

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Speaker 1: you get ten stalks a day, You feel like you're

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Speaker 1: you have practiced that a thing that you have to

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Speaker 1: practice to get good at. Yeah, it's that like innate

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Speaker 1: awareness of what the animal, what the animals doing, thinking

499
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Speaker 1: and feeling while simultaneously operating yourself. You know, you're like,

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Speaker 1: all right, I have to be cool, calm, quiet, smooth,

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Speaker 1: all of the above while still being aware what the

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Speaker 1: deer is doing. Because I might be doing my job

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Speaker 1: perfectly and the deer just decides to walk right at

504
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Speaker 1: me or just decides to walk away, or you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe I kind of like one of my stocks this

506
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: past weekend was blown up by a coyote, Like I

507
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: can't control that. I just have to kind of roll

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Speaker 1: with the punches. So yeah, it definitely. It definitely sharpens

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Speaker 1: those that sixth sense of you know the animal you're

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Speaker 1: hunting and and what it's feeling like, and um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I look forward to doing some more of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and your persistence too, Right, because you spend three hours

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Speaker 1: stalk in a single deer, you get to the very

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Speaker 1: end and you draw at the wrong time, or you

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Speaker 1: draw and you raise up at the wrong time, or

516
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Speaker 1: he he jumps a string or whatever happens you just

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Speaker 1: spent two hours to that aren't wasted hours, but they

518
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Speaker 1: can in that moment, they feel like they're wasted hours.

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Speaker 1: Like oh absolutely, yeah, you're especially when you get that

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Speaker 1: close to You're like, well, I am here in range

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Speaker 1: and that animal is unaware of my presence, which means

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Speaker 1: my chances of success are great right now. I think

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Speaker 1: everybody goes into people who have spotted stock to your

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Speaker 1: hunted quite a bit kind of go into any stock like, well,

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Speaker 1: there's a pretty high chance of failure on this, but

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Speaker 1: once you get that close and you're that close us

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Speaker 1: to you know, putting your hands on the horns, um,

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Speaker 1: you naturally go into this like mentality where like, well,

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Speaker 1: this is about to happen, and I'm very excited about it,

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Speaker 1: and then and then it falls apart and you're and

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Speaker 1: it's just it's a crushing blow. So it's it's really good.

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Speaker 1: It's mental training in some ways of just realizing, man,

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Speaker 1: it is not over until the fat Lady sings, and

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Speaker 1: we have to you have to stay as tied to

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Speaker 1: the moment as it possibly can and be able to

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Speaker 1: just like you said, when the when the stock falls apart,

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Speaker 1: then you say, you pick yourself up and you say,

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Speaker 1: well what sucks, and move on to the next one.

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Speaker 1: And then you've gotta you have to carry that optimism

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Speaker 1: into the next stock, because if you ever start a

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Speaker 1: stock and you're already admitting failure, it's most likely not

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Speaker 1: gonna work out. You just have to go on each

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Speaker 1: one as if it's going to work out, and and

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Speaker 1: hope that it does well. And then I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: would agree with this, But our mutual friend, Remy Warren,

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Speaker 1: he shows every time I would get in a situation

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Speaker 1: where I'm with him and I'm hunting, he shows like

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Speaker 1: the le level that you can be at when that

549
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: makes it look easy. You know, there is no quote

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Speaker 1: unquote you know professional hunters like in your in your

551
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Speaker 1: day job. But when you see somebody like him who

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Speaker 1: knows what he's doing, who's practiced at this, who does

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00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: this essentially for a living, do what you're like, man,

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Speaker 1: there is a difference between where I am and where

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Speaker 1: I could be, even though it's hard to nail down

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Speaker 1: sometimes absolutely, and I think you're you're common about repetition

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00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: on that is perfect because um, Remy just has more reps.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I think he started with a greater

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Speaker 1: degree of talent than any of us to begin with.

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Speaker 1: But then he is like a rare case of a

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Speaker 1: human who took a great level of talent at with

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Speaker 1: something like he was naturally innate at understanding animals and

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Speaker 1: their patterns and vegetation. You know, he's just very scientifically minded,

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Speaker 1: uh person. And then he combined the hard work and

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Speaker 1: the resilience and the persistence to that and what you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I like my job. He's been a friend

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Speaker 1: for a very long time, and my jaw hits the

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Speaker 1: floor every time I hang out with him and he's

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Speaker 1: in the woods. I'm just like, how do you know

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Speaker 1: so much? How are you? How is this? How is

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Speaker 1: something that I find so difficult so easy for you?

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Speaker 1: And a lot of it A lot of the thing

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Speaker 1: that I'm most impressed with this is the level of

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Speaker 1: alertness that he's at it all times, because I think

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Speaker 1: we all naturally kind of zone out, or you know,

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Speaker 1: you're out there in the woods for a long period

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00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: of time, you you kind of forget that you're supposed

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00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: to be. Like if you're hunting as switched on d er,

579
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: for example, you need to be switched on at all times.

580
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: And I so off and go hiking over just blundering

581
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: over ridges and stuff, and there's a freaking deer right there,

582
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, that's dumb. I definitely should have

583
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Speaker 1: been more alert hiking over this into this blind spot.

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Speaker 1: And that's where that's where Remy really doesn't mess up.

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00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: He's constantly looking through his glass. Uh. I always like

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00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: get to a perch and then glass things really well

587
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: but Remy wills like he'll glass every thirty feet. Sometimes

588
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: he's glassing while walking. That's how good he is at it.

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00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah, that's a T shirt glassing while walking

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Speaker 1: around me warrant. Yeah, I'm with you, man. It's like

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Speaker 1: when you when you approach these things like, well, I

592
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: can get better at this, but I don't know what

593
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: the level is. You know, unlike in your and your

594
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: professional career, like there's they hand out medals, they hand

595
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: out first place, second place, third place. You kind of

596
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,959
Speaker 1: know when you're better than everybody else in the hunting.

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00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: You know, there's so much distortion by social media and

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Speaker 1: TV and what we show and don't show it. Um,

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Speaker 1: when you're around somebody like like, oh, there it is.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the innate talent meets dedication. This dude is

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Speaker 1: the Michael Jordan of hunting. And I'm seeing it and

602
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: it shows me what level I can be at if

603
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: I try, if I really run hard at this, or

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00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: at least close to Remy. Yeah, exactly. No, that's that's

605
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: a great point. And um, I think that that's that's

606
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: true of a lot of things where uh many times

607
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: the people who think they're the best or claim to

608
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: be the best. You know, everybody everybody likes to claim

609
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: there the goat, uh, but most often the real goatst

610
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: person that isn't talking about themselves. And I think Remy

611
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 1: certainly fits into that category where he's so aware of

612
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: his skills that he doesn't feel the need to overly

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00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: talk about it. And that's one of the things I've

614
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: always liked about hanging out with this him is I'm

615
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: like you under promise and overdeliver rather than the other

616
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: way around. I think a lot of hunting personalities these

617
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: days have a tendency to overpromise and under deliver. Yeah,

618
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: it's hard. That changes the way you hunt too, when

619
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Speaker 1: you when you see yourself as an expert or you

620
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: you've kind of put this out there in the community

621
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Speaker 1: that you know what you're doing. I'm sure you get

622
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: alone in the woods and you feel the pressure of man,

623
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Speaker 1: I better come through or I'm not or I'm not

624
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Speaker 1: gonna be who I say I am. And in Remy's case,

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00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: that's that's uh, completely legitimate. He you know every time, Um,

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Speaker 1: he just I asked him, I just text him, asked

627
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: him if he had any stories about you. He said nothing,

628
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: I can think of, he's just awesome. Um, well that's

629
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Speaker 1: that's a hell of compliment. Not that I think I

630
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Speaker 1: just generally good ship. M Well, we won't heat any

631
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: more praise on remy heat. If he listens to this,

632
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: he'll he'll feel good hopefully. UM. I wanted there's the

633
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: lat stuff I want to talk about with you, man,

634
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Speaker 1: But but I think to get to where I want

635
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: to get to, um, we gotta start with some of

636
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: the triumph and some of the things you've done in

637
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: the skiing world. Um, you know, freestyle skier, two time

638
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: Olympic gold medalists, five four time X Games gold medalists.

639
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: Like you can go on and on, but how would

640
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: you describe kind of how you got into skiing and

641
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: and where you are now? Like the briefly describe the

642
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: whole damn thing. Yeah, man, it kind of started for

643
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: me at a at a young age, UM, wanting to

644
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: do what I liked to do for a job. And Um,

645
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: as long as I can remember, I wanted to do

646
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: something where I got to be outside all the time,

647
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: like I was. I was an athlete from birth. Um,

648
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: love writing, bikes, love playing baseball and football, and um,

649
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: ironically I think when I was ten, eleven, twelve, I

650
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: actually wanted to be a professional baseball player more than

651
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a professional skier. But um, as

652
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: I hit high school and I was kind of a

653
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: late bloomer, so all of my friends got their man strength,

654
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: and I went from being you know, through through a

655
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: little league and stuff like that. I went through from

656
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: being a pretty you know, top of the class or

657
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: or at least mid to high in the class baseball

658
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: player to like the mid to logo because I just

659
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: haven't hadn't gotten my man strength yet. So I was smaller.

660
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: I think when I was a freshman in high school, Um,

661
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: I was just over five one and maybe a hundred

662
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: pounds hundred five pounds, which is ironic now being six

663
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: one and you know, around people are like, people look

664
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: at me now, and they're like, man, you're not the

665
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: right build for a skier. And I was like, man,

666
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: I've been told my whole life that I'm not the

667
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: right build for what I want to do. Because when

668
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: I was trying to play linebacker as a as a

669
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: five ft one pound freshman, uh, people told me often

670
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: you're not the right bilt for that. Uh. But um,

671
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a professional athlete, and so in

672
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: high school I kind of realized, Hey, it doesn't matter

673
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: what size I am to be a good skier, I

674
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: just have to have a good uh awareness of my

675
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: own body and how to throw it around in the air.

676
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of when I started really phasing

677
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: towards skiing UM. And then once I graduated high school,

678
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of come to the life conundrum.

679
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: There there's no collegiate sports. There's no collegiate competition, at

680
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: least there wasn't at that time in my sports, so

681
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: there was It wasn't like I had a college career

682
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: ahead of me. UM. I was already kind of competing

683
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: at a high level. I was going to national events,

684
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: US nationals, UM and things like that, but there was

685
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: no college for it. So I kind of came to

686
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: this realization like, all right, I either need to make

687
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: it as a professional or you know, I gotta figure

688
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: out what else I'm gonna do with my life. So

689
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: I told my old man, I was like, look, I'm

690
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: the government says I'm a man. Now that means that

691
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: I'm either going to make it as a professional skier

692
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: or I'm not going to and then I'll move on

693
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: and do something else. So that kind of means that

694
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: you can't support me anymore. Even though my dad was

695
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: totally willing to continue to support my dreams, I was like, look,

696
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to make it, make it on my

697
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: own and see what I can do. And so um.

698
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: That first year of trying to be a professional skier

699
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: was a real struggle, but I think I was like

700
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: five dollars in the black by the end of the year.

701
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, man, I traveled around and I'm

702
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: made money skiing. So um, it's been quite the ride

703
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: since then. And I always thought that my ski career

704
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: was going to take off overnight. Um, you know you,

705
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: when you read that long list of accomplishments, to me,

706
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: it's almost otherworldly like it it's like the stage of disbelief.

707
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, like that list of things that doesn't

708
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: that didn't happen to me, because man, all I've ever

709
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: done a struggle. Um. I thought that I would, you know,

710
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: start competing and all of a sudden, beyond the podium,

711
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: this this place, that place in the other place. But

712
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: it was a really slow phase in where i'd like

713
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: squeak out a podium or two a year, age eighteen,

714
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: and then aged nineteen, I won one event and didn't

715
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: win anything else and just barely making it. Um. And

716
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: then actually after my daughter was born, so I had

717
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: kids really young. My my little girl was born, was

718
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: twenty one, and um, it was what people thought was

719
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: gonna be the end of my career, or you know,

720
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: sort of the wrapping up of my young professional skiing

721
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: career was the best thing for me because, um, while

722
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: I didn't recognize it or necessarily put words to it,

723
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: at that point, I was militant. I was so caught

724
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: up in this desire to be the best year that

725
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: I could possibly be that I would actually often overpressure myself. So, um,

726
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: having a little girl and realizing that there's more to

727
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: life than this game I was playing on a pair

728
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: of skis was really just mentally. It was a mental

729
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: breakthrough for me, because I went into these competitions saying, well,

730
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: I mean, the most important things that I do, truly,

731
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: the most important things that I do have nothing to

732
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: do with this thing on skis. Yeah, I'm fortunately, I'm blessed.

733
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm lucky to be able to go out there and

734
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: do what I like to do and make money at it.

735
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: But beyond being a good husband and father, I really

736
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: don't have anything that I have to do. So I

737
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 1: went out there and just enjoyed the ride. That season,

738
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: that's when I won my first EX Games. Um, and

739
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: that kind of started the hot streak that carried me

740
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 1: into the first Olympics and everything. You know, from that

741
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: first win on, everything has just been kind of this

742
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: like wild ride where I've surprised even myself. Um. If

743
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: you had told fifteen year old me, like, hey, you're

744
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: gonna have a kid before you ever win the X Games,

745
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: I would have told you you're crazy. Um. And if

746
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: you would had listed off the list you just read earlier,

747
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: I would have I would have been mind blown. I mean,

748
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: being able to make the first U S Olympic team

749
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: at all in my sport, to me was a lifelong accomplishment.

750
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: I was like, if I never accomplished anything else, I'm

751
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: stoked to have been part of this team. So to

752
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: have won the first two Olympic gold medals in that sport, man,

753
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: it just blows my mind. Yeah. I mean you so

754
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: you what happened? You know? You you go, you win

755
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: three consecutive X Games gold medals. Yeah, and then you

756
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: when your last one in Aspen, Colorado, and then you

757
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: had to sochi for winner Olympics and so like you said,

758
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: you're you're the first gold medalist in men's free ski

759
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: half pipe, which is which if if you haven't seen

760
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: it out there, it's about as bad assid thing you

761
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: can do with skis one that I've ever seen. Can

762
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: you can you describe what it's like to be on

763
00:41:55,080 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: that stage doing what you were doing, the precise nature

764
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: of what you have to do to win, and like

765
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: just the feeling of being on that stage. Yeah, I

766
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: mean speaking of the nature that that you of of

767
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: how you can win a thing like that. Um, at

768
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: least for me, and this this is maybe a hot

769
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: tip for people who are trying to be competitive in

770
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: what they do, or maybe it's not. Everybody's different, but um,

771
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: I kind of got to the point where I wasn't

772
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: really thinking about what might happen after the fact, or

773
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: what happened last run. Um I got competitively to this

774
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: state of like absolute presence where I was only focusing

775
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: on one run at a time, one trick at a time.

776
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: And so, like they told us at the Olympics, Hey,

777
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: you know, you guys need to have a podium bag

778
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: packed so that if you're on the podium then we

779
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: can basically just kidnap you and take you right into

780
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: the media stuff that you've got going on, uh, that

781
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: everybody has. And I didn't even pack that bag because

782
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not gonna worry about that. I'm

783
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: gonna go I'm gonna go enjoy these three runs through

784
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: the half pipe and see how it works out. So

785
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: it was like this almost surprised feeling that when the

786
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: competition was over and I got to be the guy

787
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: standing on the top step, I was like surprised. I

788
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: was like, wow, I focused on the three runs and

789
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: landed at one room and it was good and this

790
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: is great. Um. And so that's kind of been my

791
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: whenever I'm at like my peak of competitiveness where I

792
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: really know that I'm competing well and that things are

793
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: likely to go well. That's kind of the state of

794
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: mind that I'm in as I'm like, man, one trick

795
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: at a time, one run at a time, and just

796
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: enjoy the ride. Um. Yeah, it's wild. I like that,

797
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: man enjoy the ride. But yeah, you you do. You

798
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: think that's what is that the peak of your careers

799
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: at this point? I know that's hard to nail down.

800
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: What do you do think? And in terms of achievement,

801
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: that gold medal, after that string of X Games medals

802
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: was was where do you think things were the best? Oh? Man,

803
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: it's an interesting way to ask that. I think, Um, certainly,

804
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: that was my best hot streak and I don't know

805
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: that I will ever Well, I'm almost certain that I'll

806
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: never be able to match that because winning the X

807
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: Games three times in a row, I was only the

808
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: second guy ever to do that, and um, obviously my

809
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: desire is to do that every time. I'd love to

810
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: win the X Games every year, but um, you know,

811
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: life happens and circumstances happen, and it's really challenging to

812
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: do that. So having a hot streak before the Olympics

813
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: and capping it all off with an Olympic gold medal,

814
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll ever be able to match that.

815
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: But in terms of athletic accomplishments, um, my, my absolute

816
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: greatest moment in my life was landing my third run

817
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: and Sochi and my second Olympic Games, because um, I

818
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: went from the high point, you know, I we just

819
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: talked about the hot streak that I was on and

820
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: winning a bunch of stuff, and pretty much right after

821
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: the Olympics, I went through a major struggle session where

822
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: I was just um, suddenly injured. I had a lot

823
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 1: of things going on in my personal life and family

824
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: life and just things were It was almost like it

825
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: seemed like I had gone from the top of the

826
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: world to the bottom of the world, you know, top

827
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 1: of the peak to the pits of despair. And um

828
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: kind of had a three year struggle. And I think

829
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: that if you had asked people, you know, two years

830
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: out from the Olympics, if I was even going to

831
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: make the team, they would have told you no. Um,

832
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: they were just like no, Dave's really ever since the

833
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: socio Olympics has really fallen off and faded out, and

834
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: we actually are looking for the young guys to to

835
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: do it, to do their thing and put on a show. Um.

836
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: But I because I survived that struggle, Because I got

837
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: through that struggle, it actually gave me sort of almost

838
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: a new quiver of arrows to to take into the

839
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: competitive season. Uh. And because of the mayhem I had

840
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: been through when my skis came off on my first

841
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: two out of three runs. My my event, it's the

842
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: best of three formats, so any run on any given

843
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: day can win. If you landed the first run, great,

844
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: If you landed the last run, great. The judges just

845
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: judge you on that one run. And on two out

846
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: of my three chances through the half pipe in the finals,

847
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: my skis came off of their own accord, like we

848
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: call it a pre release, like my binding should not

849
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: have come off, and they did. And I don't think

850
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: that the person that I was in and soche could

851
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: have mentally handled that kind of adversity and still landed

852
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: a run on my third run, But because I had,

853
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: because I felt like I had survived so much before that,

854
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: I was like, look, this is just this is just

855
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 1: the way this is working out today, and I still

856
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: have one more chance. And I was able to land

857
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: that third run and surprised even myself because I think

858
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: on that day I was kind of wondering what next

859
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: is gonna happen, Like my skis are coming off, Like

860
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: is somebody gonna throw something at me from the crowd,

861
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: or like what what What's the next piece of adversity

862
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: I can face today? Because it's just been a string

863
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: of adversity these last couple of years. Uh And so

864
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: when I did land that run and then the judges

865
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: did judge it well and then I did win the

866
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: gold medal, I was I was just as surprised as

867
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: anybody else. A lot of my friends are people that

868
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: know me, uh from a distance, have been like, man,

869
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: I don't know how you knew you were gonna win,

870
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: and then you just did. But I could tell when

871
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: you started that third run that you were just gonna win.

872
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: And the reality is I could not have been less

873
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: convinced that I was about to win the Olympics when

874
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: I dropped into that run. But I was in this

875
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: whimsical state of like, well, I've put everything I have

876
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: into getting to this moment, and I have one more chance.

877
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go let it ride, and probably it's not

878
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: gonna work out, but I'm going to enjoy the ride anyways.

879
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: And uh So, yeah that in terms of athletic accomplishments,

880
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: it will be hard to match winning my second Olympic

881
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: gold medal in my third run, after having overcome the

882
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: adversity of having my skis fall off of their own accord.

883
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: It's like NBC scripted it. Yeah, I was gonna was

884
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: gonna say that because I was This is after we

885
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: had met. I think it's after you were on the

886
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: podcast the first time, and the whole hunting industry was

887
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: kind of rooting you on. I remember I was talking

888
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: to the guys at hush In and We're like, oh,

889
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: Dave's going, oh he's win. These weren't first line like

890
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: oh look, and when you hit that, I I remember

891
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: thinking like, you couldn't have scripted that. There's no way

892
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: you could have scripted that. You're you have a binding

893
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: malfunction twice in a row. And then forgive me if

894
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: I'm wrong on this, but it was that was the

895
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: best run of your career or the best scored run

896
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: of your career. Ye, it certainly was for me personally,

897
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: the best round of my career. Uh only it only

898
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: could have been matched by if I had landed my

899
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: first run, because my first round on that day was

900
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 1: going as well as I could have hoped and then

901
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: my ski fell off. So yeah, it was definitely the

902
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: best round of my career for sure. Well, I mean,

903
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think it happens to a lot of athletes,

904
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 1: but not all in the way that it's happened to you.

905
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: You know, the ups and downs of your career, and

906
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: you're you know that that marries up to your personal

907
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: life and kind of all this stuff. And you've been

908
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: open throughout all this kind of the struggles and the

909
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 1: high points. And and I know it's like this because

910
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: I know a couple other people that have have done

911
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: Olympic Games. It's it's not like a normal sport where

912
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: you show up every season and people track you. I know,

913
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: you have the X Games, but in terms of the Olympics,

914
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: it's only every four years, and so you kind of

915
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: fall off the map, right is that? Is that the

916
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: right way to say it? And then you come back

917
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: four years later there's all this work that nobody sees. Yeah. Yeah,

918
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 1: I mean we're super fortunate in my sport, even though

919
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: it's it's what you could consider a niche sport. Um.

920
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: We still do have the X Games, which means we

921
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: do have some prime TV, primetime TV coverage every year,

922
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, X Games, due Tour, the Grand Prix series.

923
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: We have things where people can see us and watch us. UM,

924
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: but we definitely don't have a following. It's not like

925
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: we have a league like Major League Baseball or hockey

926
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: or anything like that, where the league is paying you

927
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: or the team that you're contracted with is paying you

928
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: to show up and do your job. All of our

929
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: money that we make as professional skiers, this pretty much

930
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: comes down to either contest winnings or UM dollars from sponsors.

931
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: And so we're fortunate that we have those mainstream TV

932
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: events every year because it means that sponsors still uh

933
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: support us even in the non Olympic years. But the

934
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: reality is, the attention we get and our ability to

935
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: make money in the Olympic years is like increased by ten,

936
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: by a power of ten, Like it's just insane. How

937
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: different is so? Yeah, you do, you go through these

938
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: highs and lows, you go through this, um, everybody cares.

939
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: Everybody's watching too the non Olympic years. It's like, well,

940
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 1: does is anybody even watching? Is there any point? Um?

941
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: And I think it's good to those things are good

942
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: actually in some ways because it's a good reminder for

943
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: us that, like I've always said that I would do

944
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: it anyways even if I wasn't getting paid to do it,

945
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: Like I love I just love skiing that much. But

946
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: so it's a good reminder like, hey, we're out here competing.

947
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm out here trying to find my own limits. I'm

948
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: not doing this because I stand a chance of making

949
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: money at it or because I stand a chance of

950
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: winning medals at it. I'm out here doing it because

951
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 1: it's what I like to do, what I enjoy doing. So, um, yeah,

952
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 1: we it definitely is the attention factor is really it's

953
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: and it's like that in all Olympic sports. Um, I

954
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: have some I have some athletes that I'm doing some

955
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: mental strength training with U in Olympic sports as well,

956
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: and one of them, the rower. One of them was

957
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: a mobile skier, And um, it is interesting trying to

958
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: weather that wave. And because it has a tendency when

959
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: when the highest attention point of your career is only

960
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: every four years, it makes being like mentally tough and

961
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: and like it just makes it that much harder because

962
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: there's so much more pressure. Whereas you know, I envy

963
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: baseball players who get to show up for the championship

964
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: every single year. They have a chance at making it

965
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: to the World Series every single year. Um, that's that's

966
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: not the case for us. When you when you talk

967
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,959
Speaker 1: about the mental side of this, because we'll get into

968
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, I think we can spend a lot of

969
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: this into the hunting. I know you can because we've

970
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: talked to I think we've talked about this before. But

971
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: when you think about the mental side of competing, and

972
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: I know you can need to divorce this from skiing

973
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: or you know, keep it in that world. What's what's

974
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: the approach you take and talking to people, teaching them,

975
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: but your mindset and and what's led to your success. Yeah,

976
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: And I'm part of the reason that I do that

977
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: at all is because um I certainly fell into the

978
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: category as a young competitor of somebody who was getting

979
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: in their own way where UM I could land ten

980
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: runs out of ten and practice and crash twice in

981
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 1: the competition because I was just mentally not strong and

982
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: so being having been on both side of that. So

983
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: some people are just naturally good competitors. They just step

984
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: out and they're like, people are watching, I'm gonna send it,

985
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: and they do and it goes well and good for

986
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: those folks. But that's not how the story went for me.

987
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 1: And so um I'm constantly looking for athletes, especially young athletes,

988
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: who are like I was, and to me that it's

989
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: it's sort of my responsibility, or maybe it's just something

990
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: that I enjoy, Like I love being I love being

991
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: able to give back and say, hey, I know that

992
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: you have the skills to be able to achieve what

993
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: you want to achieve. You're just getting in your own way.

994
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: And these are the things that I did to get

995
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: out of my own way. This is how I changed

996
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: my mentality so that I could so that I could

997
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: more consistently, you know, do some of my best skiing

998
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: when the competition was going on, and um, being able

999
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: to watch young athletes sort of make that mental um,

1000
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: that mental leap that I made when I was twenty

1001
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: one is it's super fun. It's the most rewarding thing

1002
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: for me besides competing myself health. Um. But yeah, you

1003
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: have to approach every competition. Uh, at least from for me,

1004
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: it works that I am very honest with myself and

1005
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: some other people's mentality might be different. But um, a

1006
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: lot of people will go into a competition like, oh

1007
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: this I'm feeling I'm feeling so great today, this is

1008
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: the best day ever. Everything is good, Everything's fine. I

1009
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: would be totally fine. I'm gonna land these runs and

1010
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna win this, I'm gonna win that. And it's

1011
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: it's almost a sort of it's almost a way of

1012
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: lying to yourself and that that can work, uh in

1013
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: a shirt on a short term basis, but in the

1014
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: long run, like you, your subconscious knows when you're lying

1015
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: to yourself. So, um, I've just embraced this uh philosophy

1016
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: of just being really honest with myself, being like, you

1017
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: know what, like some days I feel great and I

1018
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: can just own it. I can just be like I

1019
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: feel great, I feel unbeatable today. But the other days

1020
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: that don't feel great, and I'm like, man, and I

1021
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: feel like I could use about twelve more cups of

1022
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: coffee right now to get myself excited about this and

1023
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: just being honest and saying, but I still have a

1024
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: chance to go do what I love to do. So

1025
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to take who I am in this moment

1026
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: and try to try to do my best today. And

1027
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, having realistic expectations of yourself and um, for me,

1028
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: one thing that's really important is setting goals that aren't

1029
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: outside my control. So you know, take one of the

1030
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: big events that I compete in, like the X Games.

1031
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: But if I go into the X Games and I say,

1032
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: people are constantly asking me, what's your goal for the year.

1033
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: If I go into the X Games and I say,

1034
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: my goal is to win it, again, I haven't had

1035
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: a I've had a deb in a while. I want

1036
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: to win the X Games. And I go out there

1037
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: and I land my best run ever and somebody beats

1038
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: me or the judges don't like it, and I get silver.

1039
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: I haven't achieved my goal, which is tragic because I

1040
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: just did the best run of my life and all

1041
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: I'm set up for is disappointment. So I go into

1042
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: these competition with um concrete inside my control, expectations like

1043
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 1: these are the tricks that I want to do here.

1044
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: This is what I feel like is realistic for me

1045
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: to be able to do, and that's what I would

1046
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 1: like to do. So that's my goal. And then when

1047
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: I land it, I can just let the rest be

1048
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 1: up to the you know, be up to the judges,

1049
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: and be up to God and his plan for my

1050
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: life and all that. It's all good, um, And it's

1051
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: just a way of sort of simplifying your grind. And

1052
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: so that's Those are the kinds of tips that I'm

1053
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: that I'm constantly trying to um empower younger athletes with

1054
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, there are things that you can that

1055
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: you can't control, and when they hit you have to

1056
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: embrace them. It's okay to be honest about it. It's

1057
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 1: okay to say I'm feeling stressed out, I'm feeling nervous

1058
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 1: right now. This is the biggest competition of my life.

1059
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: But now that I have acknowledge that and I'm aware

1060
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: of it, how can I continue to move forward and

1061
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: stay as calm and collect as I possibly can? Is

1062
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: that we already talked about this a little bit, But man,

1063
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: I when you're talking I feel like it's not as

1064
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: elevated as training for something like the Olympics. But when

1065
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: you're talking about archery the skill itself, you know, and

1066
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: then what you're applying it to. There's a lot of

1067
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: what you said that that really applies to try and

1068
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: to kill a thing with a bow class quarters fan

1069
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: that I don't want to. I don't want to overly

1070
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: connect something that's not there. But I mean, it just

1071
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: seems to me like there's parallels. Now you're preaching to

1072
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: the choir man, there's there's a reason that um. Hunting

1073
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: has become one of my biggest passions. Uh. And it

1074
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with the fact that I'm

1075
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: doing it with a bow. UM. I grew up hunting

1076
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: with my old man and I've always loved it, um,

1077
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: but the level the love went to a whole another

1078
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: level once I started trying to do it with a bow,

1079
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: because there's something so focused and so um intense about

1080
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 1: trying to, like you said, get inside I bow range

1081
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: and kill something with a bow. That is like one

1082
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: of the greatest achievements you can have and one of

1083
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: the most difficult things to do that you can have

1084
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: that you can do um, but it makes the triumph

1085
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: so worth it. And and you know, people are constantly

1086
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: saying the cliche that it's not about the end result,

1087
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: it's about the journey. But I really feel like that's

1088
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: true about archery because because I wanted to get so

1089
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: good at shooting a bow that I could have a

1090
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: much higher chance of um killing something with it, I

1091
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: learned how to meditate Like archery to me, is is

1092
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: a form of meditation because you have to calm your

1093
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: heart right down. Um. You have to be alert and aware,

1094
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: but you also have to be not over alert and

1095
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: over aware. If you're stressing about your your level bubble

1096
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: while you're shooting, or if you're trying to punch the

1097
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: trigger when you're in the dot, all those things are

1098
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: going to contribute to shooting poorly. So you have to

1099
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: be somewhat aware a level of awareness of all those things,

1100
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: but also you have to find this flow state where

1101
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: you are just kind of letting it happen as well.

1102
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: You're almost as if you're watching it from a distance.

1103
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: You're like, you get your you get your repetition or

1104
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: your technique or your mantra down well enough that once

1105
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: you've done it a thousand times, you can actually do

1106
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: it without thinking too much about it. And that's where

1107
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: you see guys like Rammy Warren or Tim Burnett or

1108
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, Brian Barney, all those guys who are really

1109
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: good at just knocking things down consistently one year after another,

1110
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: one hunt after another. It's because they're so good at

1111
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: shooting that they can actually just hunt, they can actually

1112
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: just stock, and the shooting becomes like it's just part

1113
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: of it. It's just an extension of the whole journey

1114
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: for them. And that's the state that's the state of

1115
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: bow hunting skill that I aspire to be at. Yeah,

1116
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: I'm with you, man, and I've seen, I've seen and

1117
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: I've had fits and starts with that in my life

1118
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: where I've been on when I hunted. When you know,

1119
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: when I have kids, I guess you will know you

1120
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: can really get to get some time in the woods.

1121
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: You go through these fits and starts where you feel like, Man,

1122
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: I'm in the zone, like I'm if my if I

1123
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: can get my file through right, that arrow is going

1124
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: to go exactly where I want. And I'm only worried

1125
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: about my my right elbow following through and going to

1126
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: the proper point. I'm not worried about where the front

1127
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: side is. I'm not worried about my front grip. I'm

1128
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: not worried about the peep, I'm not worried about the pins.

1129
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: I am literally just making sure that one thing happens

1130
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: in my process and then boom, that air is going

1131
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: to go where it goes. And that's one of the

1132
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: best feelings in hunting. And there's a philosophy that I've

1133
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: been studying and reading about recently that you know, hunting

1134
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: is has a game like quality to it. We don't

1135
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: like to admit that. We we try to talk around

1136
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: it sometimes, but it does. It has a gamelike quality

1137
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: that that brings us enjoyment. It just just so happens.

1138
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: At the end we're killing something to bring home the meat.

1139
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: But but before that, we're playing a game like this

1140
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: is a game and it's attractive in that way. Yeah,

1141
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: and I I know what you mean when you say

1142
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: we kind of try to dance around that, because the

1143
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: last thing that I want to do as a hunter

1144
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: or as a promoter of hunting is talk about how

1145
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's just so much fun. I'm just trying

1146
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: out there trying to kill something. But you're right, until

1147
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: that moment when you realize something beautiful has died, it

1148
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: is such a game. And I can't tell you how

1149
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: many failed stocks I've had where I feel like the

1150
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: deer or elk or uh you know, wild hog is

1151
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: just laughing at me on the way out, like nice, try, buddy,

1152
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: let's see, I'll see you next time. And it's so true.

1153
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: You're you're you are playing this game like it's like

1154
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: a game of chess. It's like he puts his chips

1155
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: on the table, he betted right there, the wind is

1156
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: at his back and his eyes are at the front.

1157
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: How am I going to get inside fifty yards of

1158
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: that location and still be able to see his vitals? Yeah?

1159
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: And and people will say too that well, that that

1160
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: deer is not playing the same game year playing. He's

1161
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: not playing, he's not playing with you, but he's playing

1162
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: to live like he's Yeah, he's trying sacking his own

1163
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: instincts to evade any predatory behavior. Whether it's you or

1164
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: a mountain, I didn't care. He's just trying to make

1165
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: himself safe via the conditioning that he's been in. So

1166
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's like you kind of are playing the

1167
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: same game, but at least he's in it, and and

1168
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: he's setting it up. He's the best he can, especially

1169
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: a mature deer or elk or whatever, setting up the

1170
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: best as best he can to make sure you don't succeed. Yeah, exactly.

1171
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: And I think your point is good to the the deer.

1172
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: The deer isn't standing. The deer is standing to lose

1173
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: a whole lot more than we are, you know, like

1174
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: we're not out there fighting for survival. We're out there

1175
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: hoping to provide better quality meat for our families. But

1176
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: the reality is, at the end of the day, we

1177
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: could eat vegetables only if we had to, or we

1178
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: could go to the supermarket and buy meat. But we

1179
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: have this strong desire to provide, to provide the best

1180
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: meat possible. And so that's why we're playing the game.

1181
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: That's what we stand to win. In my opinion, that's

1182
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: what hunting is about, is about providing good quality meat

1183
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: for my fan friends and my family. Uh and his

1184
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: what he stands to lose is a lot greater than that, obviously.

1185
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: You know, like I said, they're struggling for survival and

1186
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: everything that they do. Their entire state of existence is

1187
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: don't get killed, don't get killed, don't get killed, don't

1188
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: get killed by that coyote, don't get killed by that bear,

1189
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: don't get killed by that two legged thing with arms,

1190
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: and I think he's carrying a bow or something like that.

1191
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: Just don't get killed. So, yeah, they stand to lose

1192
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: a whole lot more than we do it. So we

1193
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: really aren't playing the same game. But it is a game. Yeah,

1194
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: And to the point where I've read I've been delving

1195
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: into lately reading studies that they've done about you know,

1196
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: what really makes what's the why for hunters really and

1197
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: what like not even in a poll, but like what

1198
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: are hunting stories, what's articulated by the community. And if

1199
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: you look at the why, achievement almost always comes to

1200
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: the forefront. It's about achievement. Now, you can twist this

1201
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: word achievement to say like I just want to, you know,

1202
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: get my rocks off and get it, get a dead

1203
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: animal from my ego, or you can talk about what

1204
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: you're what we're discussing here. Achievement means playing the game,

1205
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: understanding everything that's going into it. The achievement is winning

1206
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: the game. Just the term winning is a is a

1207
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: it's a mist in everywhere, in every way. So it's

1208
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: very complicated to explain, but you can't. We just gotta

1209
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: be honest about that part. Yeah. Yeah, And the reality

1210
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,439
Speaker 1: to a good point that you just made is that

1211
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: if if it was if I was a dent about

1212
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: because I really do like to talk a lot about

1213
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm out there hunting because I want

1214
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: to provide good meat for my family and to that's

1215
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: to me, that's the best message that we can have

1216
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: for non hunters. It's like, hey, look, I'm looking for

1217
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: a sustainable way to provide good quality game protein for

1218
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: my family. But the reality is, if if that was

1219
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: my only goal, then I wouldn't do it with the boat,

1220
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: because by putting a bow in my hand instead of

1221
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: a rifle, I have only decreased my odds of success.

1222
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: So the the achievement that I want is I want

1223
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: to provide good quality meat for my family while doing

1224
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: it one of the harder ways to do it. I'm

1225
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: not out there with a spear or out there with

1226
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: a stick stick bow, but I am at least challenging

1227
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: myself to be able to pull it off with a bow.

1228
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: And I feel like that makes the game a little

1229
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: bit more fair, and that's what makes me love it

1230
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: just that much more. It's like me and that deer

1231
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: are playing this chess game and because of because my

1232
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: sense of achievement, the thing that I desire to accomplish

1233
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: is to do it with a bow. Um, you know,

1234
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: I just have a realistic site of those goals. Yeah,

1235
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: it's a mix right. You have to that that mixes

1236
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: is tough to suss out in your even your own motivations, right,

1237
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, you try to figure it out.

1238
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: You say, well, I've always said, like Huntings three dimensional,

1239
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: there's the two dimensional game theory where I'm trying to

1240
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: do this, and that that achievement does matter for my

1241
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: mental state, for my physical state, you know, for how

1242
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: I interact with a natural world, my understanding of of

1243
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: how I eat like that, that achievement means something to

1244
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: all of that. But then at the end of the

1245
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: day that the three dimensional part comes in, when I

1246
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: can take that meat home and sharing that achievement, the

1247
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: where it turns into the into the sharing the achievement

1248
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: is where it's really important. But that achievement you would

1249
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: never get there. You wouldn't feel as good when you're

1250
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: eating that meat if you didn't have the rest of it.

1251
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: So you you know the balances. It's super interesting to me.

1252
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: But I want to you know, you made a post

1253
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: that this is when I originally got a hold of

1254
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: you to come back on. You made a post um

1255
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: you know what was it? You turned thirty? Yeah? Last

1256
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: month probably, so you turned thirty and you've had you know,

1257
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: if you follow Mr David Wise over there on Instagram

1258
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: or anywhere you travel on the social media's, you're pretty

1259
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: open about what's going on. I mean, you shattered your femur?

1260
01:06:54,640 --> 01:07:02,919
Speaker 1: Was he shattered your femur? I mean spiral fractures at all? Right? Yeah,

1261
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: three pieces spiral fracture. Yeah, it was. It was not fun.

1262
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: And if you ever watched any of you, well, we'll

1263
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: try to get some some videos and post some stuff

1264
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: of what you actually do. Um, when we keep talking

1265
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: about gold medals and and free skiing, like, you gotta

1266
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: see it to believe some of the stuff that David

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01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: can pull off when you're when you're in the air,

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Speaker 1: so it's not Can you gotta describe that that day,

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01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: what you were doing, what happened with the with the injury. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like you said, my my sport is pretty hard to

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Speaker 1: describe in words because it would take me ten times

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01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 1: as long describing words as it would for you to

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01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: watch it. And essentially, I am trying to launch myself

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01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: as high as I can, oftentimes in as safe a

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01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: way as possible, so I'm not out there just chucking

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01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: my meat around and hoping it works out like everything

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01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: is is pretty calculated. But um, on the day that

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Speaker 1: I shattered my femur, um, we had just set a

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01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: world's highest on a certain type of feature we had

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01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: built a. I was at an event that one of

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01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: my good friends puts on called Auti Nines UM. And

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01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: the whole concept of the event is they rather than

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01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 1: having to be a competition uh where you win prize

1284
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 1: money at the end, they take the prize money on

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01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: that front end and make it and put it into

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01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 1: the build of the feature. So this is one of

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01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: the most picturesque features you will ever see UM. And

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01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: you guys can check these clips out on YouTube just

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01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: look for Autie Nines and you can kind of see

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01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. But they make it look good

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01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: and safe and fun. And so one of our goals

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01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,799
Speaker 1: for that year was to build a quarter pipe takeoff

1293
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: feature with a sort of a banked landing where I

1294
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: could just basically hit a quarter pipe as fast as

1295
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: I possibly could and see how high in the air

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01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: I could go. And so earlier in the week we

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01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: had already set a world's highest and we're just like,

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01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 1: you know, so stoked. And it was the last day

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01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: and I was enjoying myself and and unfortunately or fortunately

1300
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,600
Speaker 1: in my sport, like you have to, you have to

1301
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: be aware of danger at all times. And and I

1302
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: should maybe learn a little bit more from the mule

1303
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: deer that I try to hunt and recognize, Like, no

1304
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 1: matter what, no matter how simple it seems, I am

1305
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,759
Speaker 1: on the edge of potential catastrophic injury at all times.

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01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: And um, I was just trying to go from one

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01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: take off to a different landing, and I was I

1308
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: was using the feature not as directed, which is pretty

1309
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: typical of free skiers. We kind of like the event

1310
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: organizers build a jump and we look at it and

1311
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: we're like, well, we're not gonna land on the normal landing.

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01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna jump from this feature all the way over

1313
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: to the landing of that feature. And so I went

1314
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 1: to land on a different landing, and but just just

1315
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: mentally wasn't as wasn't as aware of how dangerous what

1316
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 1: I was doing was until I was midway through the

1317
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: air and realizing, holy shit, I'm about to hit him.

1318
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: I'm about to hit a ice wall from in the air.

1319
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: Watch the video right now as you're describing it. You

1320
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: gotta you just search OUTI nines David Wise, it comes up.

1321
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. You were in first light. Shout out. It's

1322
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: unbelievable for somebody who has barely ever put on a

1323
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: pair of skeys in his life. This is just just

1324
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: un human. It's wild. Sorry continue, but yeah, So anyways,

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01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: like I said, I had this split moment that will

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01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: forever be imprinted on my memory where I realized that

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01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: you have you have really done a bad thing. You

1328
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: really have this update now you're now you're in trouble

1329
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: and hit the ground. I pretty much folded over my

1330
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: leg and kissed my toe. And I'm not a flexible human. So, um,

1331
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: I knew right from the start broken my femur, and

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01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: I told the doctor that was in the bottom of

1333
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 1: the landing. In the midst of my cries of pain,

1334
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: I was like, I broke my femur and it's in

1335
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 1: at least two pieces because I can move my hip

1336
01:10:56,280 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 1: but my foot is not moving. So yeah, I've heard

1337
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: you yelling that, and I watched a video where you're

1338
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:05,839
Speaker 1: just yelling that to the doctor and in surprising detail

1339
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: for I'm sure the shock and pain that must have

1340
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: been going on, you're just kind of describing this is

1341
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: the injury and this is what happened. I was. I

1342
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: was pretty lucid. I've been I've had a few fair

1343
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: few injuries in my career. Um, and so I was

1344
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: loosed at first, and I the doctor was like, well,

1345
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: are you in pain? I was like, well, no, I'm

1346
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,719
Speaker 1: I'm fairly certain I'm in shock already. I'm not feeling

1347
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: any pain. She's like, okay, let me know when you

1348
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 1: when that wears off and you are in pain. And

1349
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 1: about five minutes later, I was like, yeah, I'm feeling

1350
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: it pretty good now. And then, um, you know, I

1351
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,560
Speaker 1: was in Austria, so um, I got to experience Austrian

1352
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:47,560
Speaker 1: healthcare from the emergency standpoint, got got loaded into a helicopter.

1353
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: I feel like, potentially slightly over medicated on hill where

1354
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: um I went from Holy sh it, this hurts a

1355
01:11:56,040 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: lot too. I was like hallucinating, like was trying to

1356
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: talk to my wife and um they I was so

1357
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: drugged up that I started like getting really euphoric and

1358
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: I was like, Babe, I just want you to know

1359
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: that if I don't make it out of this, it's

1360
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: been a great journey. And so she's bawling her eyes

1361
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:19,560
Speaker 1: out while I'm like telling her these you know. Anyways,

1362
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 1: it was a traumatic, traumatic experience. And then then that

1363
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: crazy thing about taking a helicopter to the hospital in

1364
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 1: a foreign country is guess what you're the first person

1365
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: of anybody you know to get there. So now I'm

1366
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: I have a shattered femur in a foreign country and

1367
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: I'm in the operating room alone, and the doctors there

1368
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: are very on it. They're like, hey, this is what

1369
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 1: you have, Um, this is what we're gonna need to

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01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: do to fix it. And I was making all these

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01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 1: decisions by myself. Luckily enough, UM, I have my one

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Speaker 1: of my team doctors is a really good friend, Dr Cooper,

1373
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: and uh, he and I go elk hunting together every year. So, um,

1374
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: we've progressed beyond the just friends professionally stage to where

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01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: he's just actually one of my best friends. So I

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01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: called him and I was like, this is where I'm at,

1377
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 1: this is what's going on. I know it's two in

1378
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: the morning where you're at, but can you help me out?

1379
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: And so he proceeded to call every person that he knew, UM,

1380
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: to make sure I was at the right hospital and

1381
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 1: that the surgery was you know, that the chief surgeon

1382
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: at the hospital I was at was going to do

1383
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: a good job and all that stuff. So that really

1384
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: helped my confidence level because I didn't ever see my

1385
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: family or friends, my my wife and kids were there

1386
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 1: with me. Actually we were kind of having a little

1387
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:45,600
Speaker 1: bit of a European vacation before I shattered my femur uh,

1388
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 1: but I didn't see any of them. My sister was

1389
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: there too. I didn't see any of them until after

1390
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: I woke up from surgery. So luckily I had my

1391
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 1: phone and I was able to call Dr Cooper and

1392
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 1: I was able to make sure that, you know, he

1393
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: was confident that I was doing the right thing, etcetera, etcetera.

1394
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: But it was just, I mean, it was one of

1395
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: the most traumatic experiences of my life. Uh, and one

1396
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 1: of the biggest learning lessons of my life too, you know.

1397
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: And it all comes down to that one moment, you know,

1398
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 1: where I was like, Oh, I'm gonna try to take

1399
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: off there and land there. That'd be super cool, uh,

1400
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: and just didn't put enough forethought into it, like, oh,

1401
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: this is what could go wrong, this is where I

1402
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: need to be, this is what I need to be

1403
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: aware of, and just realizing, wow, the consequences for that

1404
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 1: split second decision are were catastrophic. Here I am a

1405
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 1: year and a couple of months later, and I'm still

1406
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 1: not quite a hundred percent in terms of strength. Obviously,

1407
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 1: my bones healed by now, and I have a big

1408
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: piece of metal in there, so it's probably, you know,

1409
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: stronger than it ever was before. But muscularly, I'm still

1410
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: struggling daily to get back to where I was and

1411
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: a man. So, yeah, talk about catastrophic lessons, and sometimes

1412
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: you have what I like to call soft lessons where

1413
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:03,560
Speaker 1: you're like, that was sketchy, that almost that almost went bad,

1414
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 1: and you're you it's really good to take note of

1415
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 1: those soft lessons because then you don't have to have

1416
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: the hard lessons I've think sometimes. Yeah, I mean is

1417
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: and you know, once your folks out there have either

1418
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: seen what David does or go now and watch it. Yeah,

1419
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 1: I imagine something that's that amazing, that that's that hard

1420
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,839
Speaker 1: to do, is going to have kind of polarized results.

1421
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: Either you landed and it's the best thing that any

1422
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: would ever did, or it doesn't go right and and

1423
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: it can be traumatic um for for a long time.

1424
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, you so you talked about in that post

1425
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: when you turn third, you talked about ups and downs,

1426
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: you talked about COVID, You kind of talked about where

1427
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: you were at that time, and you you use this

1428
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: word depression that sometimes it's hard to talk about. People

1429
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: don't like to talk about it, or in my experience

1430
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 1: at least, if they do talk about it, they're very

1431
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 1: open and a lot of times connected with going outside

1432
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: or sport or or whatever, obstacles can help you kind

1433
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: of get perspective. So you want to try to give

1434
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 1: a little I don't know that you know, the what

1435
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: you wrote kind of paints the whole picture, but it

1436
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 1: does paint a picture that you were struggling with something.

1437
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 1: So you want to kind of give people a rundown

1438
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 1: on what what was going on last month? Yeah, I think, um,

1439
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 1: my wife and I started calling sort of the year

1440
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: and it's not over yet, so we were calling it

1441
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 1: the Year of the Broken, but now we're just going

1442
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: to call it the Era of the Broken because I

1443
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: broke my femur, um my daughter broke her arm like

1444
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 1: two weeks later, and then my wife broke or had

1445
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 1: a compound neck uh sprain, like a couple of weeks later,

1446
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 1: and so we were just all broken, and it became

1447
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: this like theme like Okay, well we're just broken, and

1448
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: we're um figuring out what that means for us, and

1449
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,799
Speaker 1: if anything, we started to learn how to be okay

1450
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: with being broken and be honest about being broken, Like, hey,

1451
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 1: it's all right to not be a hundred percent at

1452
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 1: all times. And I think our society, especially with the

1453
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:16,679
Speaker 1: advent of Instagram and Facebook where you only post your highlights, um,

1454
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 1: has created this illusion that we all have to be

1455
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 1: okay all the time. And that's one of the upsides

1456
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 1: I think that I'm seeing people recognize with COVID is like, Yeah,

1457
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 1: this is a really shitty situation that we're all in

1458
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 1: and it's not that fun. But I at least am

1459
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: learning to be aware of my brokenness and and the

1460
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: things that I appreciated before this whole shutdown happened and

1461
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. So I went from this, you know,

1462
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 1: really obviously difficult time shattering my femur um and then

1463
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 1: I've always been UM. I've always been the guy who

1464
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: just keeps going no matter what, Like I cannot quit.

1465
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 1: I can't. Like even just this past Cali Blacktail hunt

1466
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: that we were talking about earlier, UM, I begged my

1467
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: friend Max, who I was there filming with, I was like,

1468
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 1: can we just stay an extra evening? Man? I just

1469
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 1: want to go out and give the Hills one more shot,

1470
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: even though we had not seen a single legal buck

1471
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: the day before. I was like, what if, what if

1472
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: we see one? And what if I can shoot it? Like,

1473
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 1: I just can't give up. So my mentality, my my

1474
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 1: method of overcoming adversity has always been Okay, things are

1475
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: bad now, but I'm just gonna keep going. I'm just

1476
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 1: gonna keep going. I'm just gonna keep going. And that's

1477
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: always kind of worked for me in the past, and

1478
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: and so that was my approach to overcoming the female injury.

1479
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this is a crappy situation that

1480
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm in. I would rather not be here, but I am,

1481
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 1: so I'm going to do the best. I can't overcome it.

1482
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 1: Um actually came back and was on the podium the

1483
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 1: first event of the year, and I was like, Wow,

1484
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 1: that was an easy recovery. And two weeks later I

1485
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 1: crashed in getting ready for X Games and reinjured both

1486
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: my leg and my h my right knee my meniscus there,

1487
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 1: and I was like, I just got done being injured.

1488
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to be injured again. And so I

1489
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 1: got to struggle through the rest of the season with

1490
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: a minor injury not a major injury, but a minor one,

1491
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 1: and um, it just continued the Year of the Broken,

1492
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: and then COVID hit basically right as I was getting

1493
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: back to where I was like, man, I feel like

1494
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 1: myself on a pair of skis again. And we were

1495
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 1: going to have the X Games China, and we had

1496
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 1: a couple more you know, banger events scheduled for the

1497
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 1: rest of the year. All of a sudden, everything was canceled,

1498
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, this is a new state

1499
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: of existence. What am I gonna do? And as a

1500
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 1: task oriented person, I was sort of unaware that I

1501
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: was finding my identity so much in what I could

1502
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: do and not in who I was, so um, you know,

1503
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 1: as a guy who just takes, who just won't quit.

1504
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 1: I just got home and I was like, well, I'm

1505
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: gonna keep skiing. I'm gonna keep doing what I can

1506
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 1: do while while trying to stay safe and try to

1507
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 1: keep people around me safe and you know, follow the

1508
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: rules and do all this stuff. But I'm still gonna

1509
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 1: keep trying to be me and and just keep going,

1510
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: just keep going, just keep going. And eventually I got

1511
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 1: to the point where I was like, man, where am

1512
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: I going like I don't have anywhere to go, the

1513
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: events are all canceled, next year's events might all be canceled.

1514
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:21,600
Speaker 1: And I just realized that I had run out of

1515
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: goals to go towards. And that's when the depression really hit.

1516
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: And and I have always been very like disinclined to

1517
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 1: ever put it put the depression word on how I'm feeling.

1518
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes I would say, oh, I'm bummed, or I'm sad,

1519
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 1: or I've had a rough year, or I'm injured, But

1520
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:46,879
Speaker 1: because the word depression kind of carries like a mental

1521
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 1: health uh aspect to it, I always really avoided that.

1522
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 1: But I just realized, like I am actually like I'm

1523
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: actually so un certain of who I am right now

1524
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: that I couldn't call it anything else. And it was

1525
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 1: actually once I admitted that and told my wife, like, hey,

1526
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,879
Speaker 1: I feel kind of depressed. Actually I feel really depressed.

1527
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,839
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really lost. I don't know who I am. Um,

1528
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: once I admitted that out loud, it kind of took

1529
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: the power out of it. Where I wasn't fighting, I

1530
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 1: wasn't fighting to be okay anymore. I was just not okay,

1531
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 1: and I was okay with that, So um, I was

1532
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: able to kind of redefine what, you know, who I

1533
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 1: was and what I was trying to do, and rather

1534
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 1: than focusing on my identity being the tasks that I

1535
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: can do, I started focusing on who I was. And

1536
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: I was like, well, at the end of the day,

1537
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 1: I still have a lot to be thankful for. I

1538
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 1: still get to go and shoot my bow in the backyard,

1539
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:45,759
Speaker 1: I still get to do cool things with my kids.

1540
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 1: We get to go for especially with COVID, we got

1541
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: to go for mountain bike rides every single day, and

1542
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, we had a lot more freedom than we

1543
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: were used to having. So I just learned to embrace

1544
01:21:56,240 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 1: sort of the upsides to a really admittedly shitty situate

1545
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 1: wration that we're all in. And uh yeah, I think

1546
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: everybody's struggling with this in their own way. But I

1547
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: just wanted to put that out there to say, Hey,

1548
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm struggling too. And I know that you think that

1549
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,799
Speaker 1: because I'm a professional athlete, that my journey as butterflies

1550
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 1: and rainbows, But I want to admit to you my

1551
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 1: journey is not butterflies and rainbows. I'm really struggling, and

1552
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 1: I think it's okay if you're struggling to um. So

1553
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 1: that's that was the my heart behind those posts. Uh.

1554
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 1: I certainly have a hard time actually posting when I

1555
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,600
Speaker 1: don't have something good to share. So I totally understand

1556
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: people's like desire to only post their highlights. But I

1557
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: don't know, I just felt like the right thing to

1558
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: do for me. I was like, this is authentic, this

1559
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 1: is where I'm at, and I think people people maybe

1560
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 1: need to hear this message. Yeah, that's how I felt

1561
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,919
Speaker 1: when I read it. Like, man, you know, for someone,

1562
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 1: if you look at your highlights, you have extreme highlights.

1563
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 1: You know, beautiful family, beautiful kids, beautiful wife, a lot

1564
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 1: of accomplishments in your young life, a lot of great

1565
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 1: living a to you. Um So I think sometimes for

1566
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 1: for not necessary for me in that moment, I know,

1567
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 1: but I know for a lot of people when they

1568
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 1: see someone like hey, look, I know this looks great,

1569
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: but it's not always great. Um and it and this

1570
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 1: is something I have to deal with. And and even

1571
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 1: in finding ways to get over the hump and get

1572
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 1: through those obstacles that you're you know, whether physical or mental,

1573
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,799
Speaker 1: is inspiring for people. And I just to me, whether

1574
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 1: it's a hunting story or a story that just just

1575
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 1: about life, especially in this time when you connected to

1576
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 1: COVID like you did. Um, I know that it's a

1577
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 1: story that will resonate with a lot of people. Um.

1578
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: And especially like for you to define depression like I'm

1579
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 1: not feeling great, I don't really have much motivation, Like

1580
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 1: what is depression? Um? So I think that's it's important

1581
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 1: for you to kind of tell people. Man, it's it's

1582
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: this lack of direction. It sounds like, is that how

1583
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: you would Is that how you encapsulate it all? Like

1584
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: just for you, because I know it's it's not something

1585
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 1: that you can nail down with the textbook. Yeah, exactly.

1586
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's a I don't think there's

1587
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 1: a one size fits all for what depression looks like.

1588
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 1: But for me, it was it was a lack of

1589
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: It was exactly like that you can't shoot a bow

1590
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: at no target. I mean, and I was just aimless.

1591
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I don't know, I don't know

1592
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 1: where I'm going because I don't have these competitions to

1593
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: look forward to. And so that's where I that's where

1594
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:31,600
Speaker 1: my awareness of the fact that my heart was in

1595
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 1: the wrong place came from us because I I realized, oh,

1596
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: I'm depressed because I'm worried about not being able to

1597
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 1: compete next year. But is that really what I should

1598
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 1: be stressing out and worried about anyways, And so I

1599
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: look at it as something that I'm very thankful for

1600
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 1: having gone through because now I'm going into this next

1601
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 1: season and whether we have competitions or not, I'm gonna

1602
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 1: be stoked to be out there skiing. Pretty much right

1603
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 1: after I had dropped that post, I was able to,

1604
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 1: for the first time since COVID stru go out and

1605
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 1: ski again at Mount Hood And you know what we were.

1606
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:08,839
Speaker 1: We were following protocol social distancing. Everybody was staying safe,

1607
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 1: but there was a half way for me to ride,

1608
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 1: and my my sense of gratitude for the ability to

1609
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 1: go out and ride was way higher. And I wasn't

1610
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 1: working towards a run that I need to do at

1611
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 1: this competition, this competition there, this competition. I was just

1612
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 1: out there enjoying skiing and I was like, well, these

1613
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 1: are some tricks that I want to do on skis period.

1614
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 1: I think it'd be I think that'd be a cool

1615
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: thing to do, and I think that that would be

1616
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 1: art that like I like to think of skiing as

1617
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 1: my form of art in the same way that guys

1618
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: like you and Remy think of bow hunting as your

1619
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 1: form of art, Like this is what I go out

1620
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 1: there and and artistically create. Um, And so yeah, man,

1621
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 1: I really I'm actually still I'll be honest, I am

1622
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,679
Speaker 1: not an expert in this, and so I want people

1623
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 1: to know that I said what I said and will

1624
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 1: continue to say what I think is authentic and true

1625
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 1: from a from almost like a layman's perspective, like this

1626
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 1: is how I this is what I think depressionist, this

1627
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 1: is what it made me feel like. But I'm not

1628
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:07,560
Speaker 1: an expert, and the answer might be different for for everybody.

1629
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 1: But that was one way that I was able to

1630
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: define it, and and those were some of the things

1631
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 1: that I was able to do to get past that.

1632
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 1: By admitting, hey, I'm depressed and I feel aimless, So

1633
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 1: why do I feel aimless and admitting Okay, I feel

1634
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 1: aimless because I'm My identity is tied up in what

1635
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 1: I can do, not who I am. So I'm going

1636
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 1: to focus my attention over the next two or three

1637
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: weeks on who I am. Really really like pouring into

1638
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 1: my spending time with my family and really enjoying it

1639
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: more thoroughly again, rather than filling the time like, oh,

1640
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 1: here we are again, we're all stuck in the same

1641
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 1: house again, instead approaching it from like, all right, I

1642
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 1: get to be stuck with my kids and wife for

1643
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 1: another day. What are we going to do? What new

1644
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,640
Speaker 1: adventure are we going to do? And and um, that

1645
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:55,640
Speaker 1: trip up to Mounthood actually was really good for us

1646
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 1: because we went up there as a family and we

1647
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 1: sort of got out of the us that we have

1648
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 1: been stuck in for four months and we're able to

1649
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 1: I was able to go skiing, and we were all

1650
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 1: able to go mountain biking and stuff, and it just

1651
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 1: just really healthy for us to have a break from

1652
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 1: from that spot. Um. Not everybody has the opportunity to

1653
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 1: do that, but there are small opportunities for that kind

1654
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 1: of a break every day. Yeah. And gratitude is a

1655
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: good word to use because you because it strips away

1656
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how nice your houses, it doesn't matter

1657
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 1: how many, what what your possessions are. If you if

1658
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 1: you can't find gratitude and just waking up and being

1659
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 1: who you are and being with your family and the

1660
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: people that are important to you. It doesn't nothing else

1661
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 1: really matters, so that achievement doesn't really line up, um,

1662
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: and it feels hollow. And then when the thing that

1663
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:45,600
Speaker 1: used to give you satisfaction starts to feel hollow on

1664
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:48,640
Speaker 1: the back end, that's uh. You know, I don't have

1665
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 1: experiences too specifically in hunting. You know, I had to

1666
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:54,719
Speaker 1: kind of last year. I had to kind of strip

1667
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: away the social media for a minute. And because I

1668
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 1: was two turkey seasons ago hunting turkeys, super stressed out

1669
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 1: doing the thing that I really used to enjoy, super

1670
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: stressed out because I wasn't killing a turkey, rather than

1671
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:11,639
Speaker 1: what you we were talking about earlier, which is enjoying

1672
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 1: the turkey hunt, enjoying the more the you know, the

1673
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 1: mist covered hills and you know, in the black hills

1674
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: in the morning, I was thinking, I gotta get this

1675
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: turkey down because I gotta film a video and I

1676
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 1: gotta do a recipe, and I got to do a podcast.

1677
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 1: And I had to step back from that and be like,

1678
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: this is this is going to lead to a really

1679
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 1: bad situation later on, you know, if if this is

1680
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 1: where I'm making this connection, because this used to be

1681
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 1: my escape from this type of stress, and now it

1682
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 1: is this type of stress. Yeah, exactly. And I've experienced that.

1683
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 1: I've experienced that both on the skiing side and on

1684
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:47,639
Speaker 1: the hunting side because I've done some hunting UM hunting

1685
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 1: related media, and of course, like you can't help but

1686
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 1: want to get something down on the ground because it

1687
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: makes the project that much cooler. You're like you're like, well,

1688
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 1: I don't have to, but I really really want to,

1689
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 1: or or like sometimes you do get to the point

1690
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 1: where like I gotta get something down or else I

1691
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,919
Speaker 1: can't do the cooking aspect of this or etcetera, etcetera, etcetera,

1692
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 1: And it does cause that stress. And I think that

1693
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 1: that aspect of hunting is kind of caught up in

1694
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 1: um sort of this illusion that we have as a

1695
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 1: society that if you get X number of things, or

1696
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 1: you have x number of success or you have this, um,

1697
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, projected idea of what success is, then

1698
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 1: you'll be happy. I think that people from a young

1699
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 1: age are told if you go to college, get a

1700
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 1: good degree, you know, find the right partner, buy a

1701
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: big house, drive a nice car, then you will be happy.

1702
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 1: And you you have to work towards that in order

1703
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 1: to be happy. But the reality is, I can tell

1704
01:29:57,840 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: you from somebody who has had all of those things

1705
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 1: at different points in my life, and I've met all

1706
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 1: the rich and famous, and I've gone to the Oscar

1707
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 1: parties and I've seen I've seen what it's like to

1708
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 1: be I haven't. I've never have been, and I hope

1709
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 1: I never am super famous, but I have seen what

1710
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 1: it's like to be super famous. And the reality is

1711
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 1: those things don't make you any more happy than than

1712
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 1: you were before. So if you can't learn to be

1713
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 1: happy now with what you do have, um, you're not

1714
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 1: going to be happy you later. And I'm not I'm

1715
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 1: not encouraging people to just be complacent and just say, oh,

1716
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 1: I need to be happy right now, so I don't

1717
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 1: need to want anything. That's that's actually the last thing

1718
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: that I'm in. I love setting high goals and seeing

1719
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 1: how far I can take things. But um, but you

1720
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 1: have to have a sense of gratitude for where you're

1721
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 1: at in order to be able to appreciate where you

1722
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 1: get to. And that's the same thing in hunting. I

1723
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 1: definitely have struggled with that, like, oh, if I get

1724
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 1: a deer down, then be happy. You know. It's like this,

1725
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 1: It's just this if then mentality. If I get a

1726
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 1: deer down, then I'll be happy, or if I get um,

1727
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 1: if I get you know, X number of animals for

1728
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 1: the season, then I'll be happy. And you put these

1729
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 1: you put these sort of requirements, these check boxes on

1730
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 1: your happiness or your contentment or your joy, and you're

1731
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:23,679
Speaker 1: really just taking the joy out of the day to day,

1732
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:27,720
Speaker 1: like you said, you you and I fell into this

1733
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 1: just this last time where I was like, man, we've

1734
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:33,800
Speaker 1: got this great film put together. I'm so excited to

1735
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 1: put it out there, but it would be so much

1736
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 1: better if I get one and we get to end

1737
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 1: it with a banger. And so I caught myself over

1738
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 1: refreshing myself, like, don't f up this next stock, like

1739
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, stay stay focused, stay mental, staid, be like Rammy,

1740
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 1: just be like Rammy was just and and I got

1741
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 1: at one point I realized I think I just had

1742
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 1: had a sense of awareness. I was like, Dave, you

1743
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 1: can't shoot the deer that's not there. Bro, Like it's

1744
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 1: you cannot kill the animal that is not there. And

1745
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 1: I had to just admit that to myself, and I

1746
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:07,479
Speaker 1: realized in that moment. I was like, put, you're you're

1747
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 1: sitting on a peak in northern California and you're out

1748
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 1: here bow hunting during COVID. Not everybody else is getting

1749
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 1: to do that, So you should be happy for where

1750
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 1: you're at. And it just gave me the sense of gratitude.

1751
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:21,679
Speaker 1: And I think if I had had a couple more days,

1752
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 1: I would have my whole perspective would have been different.

1753
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: And I look forward to taking that lesson that I

1754
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: learned on the last day of this past hunt into

1755
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 1: my next time. Yeah, And I think it's it's very parallel,

1756
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 1: very analogous to what you were explaining about how you

1757
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 1: got over the hump with skiing, that you were focusing

1758
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 1: on the run. Your goal wasn't your goal, ultimate goal

1759
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 1: wasn't to get a trophy. Your goal was to do

1760
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 1: the best with that run that you can do. Right,

1761
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:51,680
Speaker 1: So transfer that onto hunting. My I'm going to do

1762
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 1: the best I can with the stock. I'm gonna draw

1763
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 1: when exactly when I think I need to, and I'm

1764
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: gonna let that are flying exactly the way that I

1765
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 1: know is the best possible form and process, and if

1766
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 1: it if the deer jumps the string, or the deer's

1767
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 1: not there, or he smells me in spooks, there's nothing

1768
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:08,560
Speaker 1: I can do about that. I did the best I

1769
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:11,600
Speaker 1: could do based on what I know. And then you know,

1770
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:15,520
Speaker 1: you can then derive some joy in the failure because otherwise,

1771
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 1: like you said, you're just chasing man and that's that's

1772
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 1: happened to me before. Where you get so you can't

1773
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 1: You did not enjoy a full day of hunting, being

1774
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:28,640
Speaker 1: disconnected from social media, all media, disconnected from our modern struggles,

1775
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 1: being out there, being physical, being connected to the ecosystems

1776
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 1: in the natural world, tracking these animals like we've done

1777
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 1: for millions of years. And I can't enjoy it anymore

1778
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 1: because I because I did, I wasn't successful. Um, And

1779
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 1: I imagine that will be a constant struggle for everybody.

1780
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 1: But just understanding that's the struggle that you're in, it's helpful,

1781
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Yeah. I think redefining success is would be

1782
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 1: is healthy for everyone. And that's one of the things

1783
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:58,760
Speaker 1: that um, I'm constantly preaching to two younger athletes, says, hey,

1784
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:01,759
Speaker 1: redefine what success is for you, because if you define

1785
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 1: set success as winning gold medals. Um, you're only gonna

1786
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 1: be disappointed because once you get that gold medal, guess what,

1787
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 1: it's over. You've already got it, and that competition is over.

1788
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 1: That that moment only lasts one moment, and that means

1789
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:17,560
Speaker 1: you have to look forward to the next one and

1790
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 1: the next one and the next one, and you're you're

1791
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 1: never gonna be satisfied. No, no, no gold medal. No.

1792
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 1: The satisfaction from no gold medal lasts forever. Uh. And

1793
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with Hounting, Like you have to

1794
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 1: redefine what success is. And I love that what you said, Like,

1795
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to do my best today and a lot

1796
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 1: of times in spot stock open country hunting, like I

1797
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 1: do the most of I mean, I'm an opportunist all hunt, anytime,

1798
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 1: any place. But um, a lot of times it comes

1799
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 1: with the walk in. I'm gonna hike in here and

1800
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna get there, I'm gonna get there

1801
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:57,559
Speaker 1: as efficiently as possible without blowing everything out. I'm gonna

1802
01:34:57,600 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 1: do the best. I'm gonna do the best hike in

1803
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:01,760
Speaker 1: as I poss we can. And then you're sitting down

1804
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 1: glass and you're like, all right, I recognize that I

1805
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,400
Speaker 1: only have so much mental focus, So I'm not going

1806
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 1: to try to destroy myself to find a deer. I'm

1807
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 1: going to enjoy the aspect of glasses right now, and

1808
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look for all. I'm gonna look for the

1809
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:18,720
Speaker 1: right vegetation. I'm gonna look into the right shadows. I'm

1810
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 1: gonna look where that I think the deer should be.

1811
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 1: If I see one, great, If I don't see one,

1812
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:24,839
Speaker 1: that I at least try, you know, and just taking

1813
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: each aspect of the hunt and doing your best in

1814
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 1: that aspect and making that the goal rather than knocking

1815
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 1: down the biggest deer of your life, every single one

1816
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:37,400
Speaker 1: um will really help with you know, the the overall

1817
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 1: satisfaction of the experience. Yeah yeah, rip a perfect bugle.

1818
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 1: This year, I'm like really determined to to take my

1819
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 1: elk feeling game from like oh noises are made to

1820
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 1: to it really being something that I'm starting to understand

1821
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 1: the you know, understand the ins and outs of And

1822
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 1: then and that's why you know, you have young children

1823
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:01,599
Speaker 1: mine or even young or you know what younger. When

1824
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 1: I think of teaching them, I want to try to

1825
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: get them in a place where it's hard. What you

1826
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:09,680
Speaker 1: do is hard. Um, mule deer in in anywhere or

1827
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 1: if California blacktail spotstock is really one of the harder

1828
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 1: things you can do. Um. When you talk about archery,

1829
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 1: tackle and then say, like when I introduced them, there

1830
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 1: are other forms of what you would say, like maybe

1831
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:25,600
Speaker 1: smaller successes, killing a squirrel, killing a duck, um that

1832
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 1: can come a little easier. So at least somebody starting

1833
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:30,840
Speaker 1: out can feel that like tinge of success and like

1834
01:36:31,439 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 1: understand what that is. That way when they graduate to

1835
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 1: you know, a harder pursuit, that they understand kind of

1836
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 1: what it takes to get there, at least in a

1837
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 1: smaller way. Yeah. Yeah, And that's my favorite thing to

1838
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,640
Speaker 1: do with my kids right now too. It's just like

1839
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 1: introduce them to those small satisfactions. Like we haven't done

1840
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 1: a great job of getting out and fishing as much

1841
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 1: as I want to do this summer. But we went

1842
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 1: out one time and we've got a big old bass

1843
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:59,760
Speaker 1: and my my son was so struck, My five year old,

1844
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 1: he was so stuked. He was like, yeah, Dad, we

1845
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:05,840
Speaker 1: caught a stacker. I can't wait to eat this fish.

1846
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 1: And he didn't even really like it. Once we cooked

1847
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:10,640
Speaker 1: it up. But at least he got to like he

1848
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 1: got to tell everybody at dinner, like I was, I

1849
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:18,200
Speaker 1: participated in the catching of this fish. Enjoy, you know.

1850
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 1: And um, I was fortunate enough to get a wild

1851
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:24,639
Speaker 1: hog earlier in the year with my bow and my

1852
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:27,439
Speaker 1: my kids both participated in the grind process. We made

1853
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 1: some some wild game broths and um, so every time

1854
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 1: we break those out of the freezer, I always like

1855
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 1: to ask Malak. I'm like malc I who made these

1856
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 1: hot dogs? And he's like a man, and it's just

1857
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 1: so satisfying, those small satisfactions. So yeah, I look forward

1858
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 1: to Uh. I look forward to teaching my kids the

1859
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:49,160
Speaker 1: things that I've learned, um in my journey and see

1860
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:51,639
Speaker 1: how it contributes to theirs. Yeah, it's fun to track that, huh.

1861
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:54,000
Speaker 1: Like I've tracked it with my kids. We you know,

1862
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 1: I killed Melior last year. We grinded, I grinded up.

1863
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 1: My son was, you know, to three, just turned three

1864
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:01,640
Speaker 1: at that at that point, so he he doesn't have

1865
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:05,400
Speaker 1: much understanding, but to have him start to learn what

1866
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 1: a mule deer is, what a mule dear burger is,

1867
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 1: how good it tastes with pickles and catch up and bustard,

1868
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 1: and to be able to watch him slowly understand that

1869
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 1: and then start to want to apply to other things.

1870
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:20,760
Speaker 1: You know. Then we go catch a bluegill and I

1871
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,040
Speaker 1: always ask him, you want to explain catch and release?

1872
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 1: He already knows the eating part. I'm like, here's what

1873
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:28,559
Speaker 1: catch releases. You gotta have fish for later, you know,

1874
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 1: this is the philosophy. And every time I'm like, do

1875
01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:33,800
Speaker 1: you want to catch it or do you want to

1876
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 1: keep it? Throw it back? And every single time I

1877
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 1: want to keep it. I want to keep it. I

1878
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 1: want to keep it. He want to keep He wants

1879
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:41,720
Speaker 1: to keep every fish. So just to let him kind

1880
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:43,760
Speaker 1: of discover that and introduce him to that and then

1881
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 1: watch him track with it is it's its own little

1882
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 1: joy to see what they do. You know, what they're

1883
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 1: gonna do with the information you give them. So I

1884
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 1: love him, man, Well, you know, I appreciate your your

1885
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 1: openness and talking about it. Like I said, I've I've

1886
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:02,480
Speaker 1: I've had other people in the outdoor space talk about depression.

1887
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 1: A lot of them are veterans, a lot of them

1888
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:07,760
Speaker 1: are are just going through something hard in life. And

1889
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 1: I think that's probably more amplified with COVID, but talking

1890
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 1: about how you were feeling, you know, the contributions that

1891
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 1: hunting and archery kind of have to your life as

1892
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 1: a whole, and then into even kind of pulling you

1893
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 1: through the depression. I think, I think it matters. In fact,

1894
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:28,920
Speaker 1: I know it betters, So I really appreciate it. Um.

1895
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:31,480
Speaker 1: Is there anybody and articulate kind of what the outdoors

1896
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:34,800
Speaker 1: means in terms of making the lows better, in the

1897
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 1: highs higher? Yeah. For me, the outdoors is just a

1898
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 1: conduit to gratitude, UM. And I think anybody listening to

1899
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:46,080
Speaker 1: this show probably shares that with me, and the fact that,

1900
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:48,599
Speaker 1: like at the end of the day, whether we get

1901
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 1: to kill something or not, UM, we appreciate being outside.

1902
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:55,439
Speaker 1: And I always feel personally, I feel I can hear

1903
01:39:55,479 --> 01:40:00,680
Speaker 1: God's voice. The further away from humanity I get, Like

1904
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 1: the further end I am to the wilderness, the more

1905
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 1: clear I feel like I can hear God's voice, Like

1906
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:09,320
Speaker 1: I can just find that piece, I can find that

1907
01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 1: sense of Um, going back to what I was talking

1908
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 1: about earlier, who I am rather than what I can

1909
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:18,880
Speaker 1: do and UM, so that was a big thing for me.

1910
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 1: Is once I once I realized, hey, you're you're actually

1911
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 1: super depressed. And to be honest, I realized that I

1912
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 1: hadn't shot my bow and like two months, and I

1913
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 1: was like, that's so dumb, Like, if anything, that's what

1914
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 1: I should be doing, but I'm getting caught up in

1915
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:37,479
Speaker 1: things that I shouldn't be getting caught up and not

1916
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 1: doing the things that I should be doing. So I

1917
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:42,800
Speaker 1: cracked my bow out that very day and I was like, oh, yeah,

1918
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 1: I do feel a little bit better. Like I had

1919
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:47,559
Speaker 1: a calm my, I had a seat in my heart rate.

1920
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 1: I had to be focused. I had to um, you know,

1921
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 1: remember my repetitions and my my mantra that I say

1922
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:57,320
Speaker 1: to myself when I'm shooting. I always just repeat the

1923
01:40:57,360 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 1: middle of the middle of the middle of the middle

1924
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,639
Speaker 1: of the middle of the middle. That's my everybody's got

1925
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:03,400
Speaker 1: one or I'm not sure if everybody has one, but

1926
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:05,840
Speaker 1: I think you should. There's a little hot tip for you,

1927
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:09,479
Speaker 1: something that can something that helps you continue to aim

1928
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:12,400
Speaker 1: no matter what part of the shot you're in. Uh,

1929
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 1: and no one for me, the middle of the middle

1930
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:15,800
Speaker 1: of the middle. And I was like, oh, it just

1931
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 1: feels so good to have one small thing to focus

1932
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:20,880
Speaker 1: on trying to get that pin as close to the

1933
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:24,080
Speaker 1: middle of that dot as I possibly can and let

1934
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:27,400
Speaker 1: everything else go. And those couple of shots made me

1935
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 1: feel a little bit better, and I was like, Okay,

1936
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 1: I'm still depressed, but I'm slightly less depressed. And then

1937
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 1: I went out for a hike with my family and

1938
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:35,760
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm slightly less depressed. And I'm

1939
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 1: not saying that there's a formula to solving depression. I wouldn't.

1940
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't dare step into that space. But at least

1941
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:46,800
Speaker 1: that was a partial solution for me, was recognizing I

1942
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:48,680
Speaker 1: am so fortunate to be able to go out and

1943
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:52,479
Speaker 1: enjoy the outdoors. If I have nothing else, I still

1944
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:56,640
Speaker 1: have that even with COVID, And that was like, that's

1945
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:59,800
Speaker 1: where That's what walked me back into a sense of gratitude.

1946
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:01,760
Speaker 1: It's funny how you know, people that have listened to

1947
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:05,200
Speaker 1: most of them, not all of our shows here, you'll

1948
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 1: you'll recognize the term flow state because it comes up

1949
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 1: in these weird ways, not only in the success we're

1950
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 1: in shooting your bow and kind of a kind of

1951
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:17,680
Speaker 1: feeling a certain way it comes. It's come into the

1952
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:19,720
Speaker 1: conversation in ways that I that I don't think I

1953
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:21,799
Speaker 1: would have ever guessed. But it seems like a constant,

1954
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 1: like if you can find this mental place, whether it's

1955
01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 1: in it's in your archery process, or it's just in

1956
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:30,880
Speaker 1: the way that you sit in glass and what you're

1957
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:33,320
Speaker 1: looking for and what you're trying to pick out flick

1958
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 1: of an ear um your glass and things like that.

1959
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 1: It's just something for everybody to remember. You know. It's

1960
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:41,600
Speaker 1: not that you can go out there and dial it

1961
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:43,840
Speaker 1: up and achieve flow state just because you want to.

1962
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:47,080
Speaker 1: But I think when you're in it, you kind of

1963
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:50,080
Speaker 1: know and you want to keep keep repeating that, keep

1964
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:54,000
Speaker 1: chasing that that state of being. That's good man. I'll

1965
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 1: let you go. I know you got what you got

1966
01:42:55,240 --> 01:43:00,000
Speaker 1: some yardwork to do. You're building a hogpen over there. Yeah,

1967
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:03,919
Speaker 1: work and work and working always something same here, shoveling

1968
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 1: rocks in the backyard. But man, I, like I said,

1969
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. I appreciate it. I'm glad we

1970
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 1: got to connect. I appreciate that post when you when

1971
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:14,600
Speaker 1: you send it um and I know that that that

1972
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 1: will mean a lot of this conversation mean a lot

1973
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:19,759
Speaker 1: to a lot of people, so I appreciate it. Man. Yeah,

1974
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 1: thanks for having me on man. Yeah, where can everybody

1975
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:25,559
Speaker 1: find your hunt materials? Yeah? So I run two different

1976
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:29,280
Speaker 1: Instagram pages. Um, one of them is Mr David Wise.

1977
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 1: That's where I post all my skiing related you know,

1978
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:36,479
Speaker 1: well that's just me, that's like my athletics side. And

1979
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 1: then another page that my wife and I run together

1980
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:42,679
Speaker 1: is called wisem TG or wise Off the Grid, and UM,

1981
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 1: that's where I post hunting stuff and farming. We're getting

1982
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:49,720
Speaker 1: into like, you know, micro farming. We have a pig now, Um,

1983
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:52,280
Speaker 1: I might have some more pigs eventually. We're just kind

1984
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:56,839
Speaker 1: of getting into this sustainable, you know, self sustained lifestyle.

1985
01:43:57,120 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 1: So that's where you can follow those things. And then

1986
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:02,680
Speaker 1: I have a YouTube channel and a YouTube series that

1987
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm doing this year called People of the Woods where

1988
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 1: kind of embracing some of the things that we talked

1989
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:12,280
Speaker 1: about today, UM, embracing this outdoor lifestyle that I love,

1990
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:14,920
Speaker 1: and and teaching my kids that love or or or

1991
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 1: at least bringing my kids into with me. So we're

1992
01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:19,040
Speaker 1: going to go on a big road trip this year

1993
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:23,840
Speaker 1: and UM stop off at beautiful scenery along the way. Uh,

1994
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 1: while I take my bow out here and there and

1995
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:28,519
Speaker 1: do some hunt so that that series is gonna be

1996
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:30,479
Speaker 1: called People of the Woods and people can keep an

1997
01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:33,759
Speaker 1: eye on my YouTube channel for that Mr David Wise

1998
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:37,439
Speaker 1: as well. And yeah, that's that's where you can find me.

1999
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:40,720
Speaker 1: And thanks everybody for listening. I'm I'm so too so

2000
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:42,559
Speaker 1: to have a chance to have a cool conversation. And

2001
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:46,559
Speaker 1: thanks Ben for what you do. Man, thank you, thank you,

2002
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:49,719
Speaker 1: appreciate it, and and go follow that. I'll be following along.

2003
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:53,840
Speaker 1: And there's nothing like Fall. It's like the early all

2004
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:57,080
Speaker 1: Time Friends. Just isn't it just the best. It's like

2005
01:44:57,080 --> 01:44:58,439
Speaker 1: you don't know what's gonna happen, but you could have

2006
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:01,400
Speaker 1: the worst fall ever. It could just be just a

2007
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 1: calamity after calamity. But this this this moment, like opening Day,

2008
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 1: It's like nothing's going wrong yet. All the tags are

2009
01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 1: just sitting there staring at you, and that's all that

2010
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:13,920
Speaker 1: matters at this moment. Yeah. But so that's how I

2011
01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:16,759
Speaker 1: felt this last weekend going into the Cali Blacktail Woods.

2012
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:19,720
Speaker 1: I was like, well, if nothing else, I have a

2013
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:22,759
Speaker 1: tag in my pocket, which means that I have a chance,

2014
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, I look forward to that for everyone

2015
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 1: this hunting season. Dude, I'm tracking it all right, Dave.

2016
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:40,280
Speaker 1: Thanks Bro. Thanks, that's it. That's all another episode teaching

2017
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:42,479
Speaker 1: the books. We're gonna make it quick here in the

2018
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:44,800
Speaker 1: outro today because Phil has got to get back to

2019
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:48,639
Speaker 1: your emails and you're angry text messages. Um, that's right,

2020
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 1: and you're angry d m s on Instagram. He's got

2021
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:55,920
Speaker 1: to fix what he broke. Finally he's here to admit

2022
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:59,080
Speaker 1: to it. False. No, he didn't break it. But David

2023
01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:01,200
Speaker 1: Wise an important co station, you know, for everybody out

2024
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:04,519
Speaker 1: here that's struggling with UM tough times during COVID or

2025
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:07,120
Speaker 1: just in general. Again, I think it's important to hear

2026
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:09,639
Speaker 1: from a guy like him who seemingly has it all,

2027
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:13,920
Speaker 1: has had great success in his career, it's a wonderful family,

2028
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:15,760
Speaker 1: but still struggling on the day to day basis. To

2029
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:19,200
Speaker 1: get through his openness, I think is important. It's important

2030
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:21,600
Speaker 1: for me, important for all of us UM to listen to.

2031
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:23,920
Speaker 1: So I hope you enjoyed that one. We'll keep this

2032
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:27,120
Speaker 1: short and sweet, UM, but again, thanks to our our

2033
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 1: guest early and show, David Hasselhoff and UM thanks for

2034
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:50,240
Speaker 1: his lovely, lovely music. This is true survivor. Alright, Phil,

2035
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 1: good luck. You get out there and fix this podcast. Buddy.

2036
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:57,559
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week. Say by screw you bad bye,

2037
01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:04,879
Speaker 1: because I can't go we without doing Rong Oh without

2038
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:14,679
Speaker 1: doing Rong drinking out run and I'm to wrong drinking

2039
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:15,439
Speaker 1: in Inven