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Speaker 1: Hello, No Low, Welcome to the Naughty but Nice your

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Speaker 1: host of Shooter and it's Thursday, which means our dear

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Speaker 1: friend Mark Looper joins us, Hey, Lupy, are you there?

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Speaker 2: Loopy louis here?

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Speaker 1: Loopy Lou? I love that nickname. It's so you because

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Speaker 1: it's silly and fun, but also too means business business,

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Speaker 1: And absolutely are you in a business mood today or

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Speaker 1: you're in a giddy mood? What sort of mood?

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Speaker 2: I think we have a lot to talk about business age.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a good show today. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's jump right in. What time is it, my friends?

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Speaker 1: It is tea time. So this is a massive story

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Speaker 1: that is exploding. Everybody in the media business, if not

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Speaker 1: the public yet, are talking about this. Sherry Shepherd is

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Speaker 1: refusing to defend Wendy Williams will really say anything during

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Speaker 1: this really big moments. As you know, Wendy Williams has

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Speaker 1: trying to get rid of this conservatorship now the person

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Speaker 1: who took over Wendy's crown. Sherry Shepherd isn't exactly rushing

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Speaker 1: to her defense. Let me explain. So when Wendy could

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Speaker 1: no longer do the show, that was obvious, Sherry sort

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Speaker 1: of filled in. A lot of people filled in. Sherry

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Speaker 1: ended up getting that show. There's nothing wrong with that.

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Speaker 1: Wendy did nothing wrong and Sherry did nothing wrong. They

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Speaker 1: needed somebody to replace Wendy, and this was the opportunity

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Speaker 1: of a lifetime and Sherry said yes. However, the first

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes of Sherry's show is celebrity gossip. It's the

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Speaker 1: of the last couple of weeks, has been Wendy Williams. Now,

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Speaker 1: Sherry has not mentioned anything. Sources tell me she doesn't

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Speaker 1: Wendy's shoes. However, other sources telling me this isn't Sherry,

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Speaker 1: her advisors who are telling Sherry not to say anything.

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Speaker 1: But I think that's a really big mistake. I think

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Speaker 1: every show that Today Show, GMA, all the big big

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Speaker 1: I saw her on a new show, the one show

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Speaker 1: where there's radio silence, Sherry Shepherd, what do you think?

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Speaker 2: Well, Rob, as you know, I worked at Wendy Williams

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Speaker 2: near and dear to my heart, as is Wendy, and

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Speaker 2: so her being sick this whole time has been really challenging.

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Speaker 2: And so to watch someone you care about, you know,

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Speaker 2: I understand kind of what has happened, and I would

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I would acknowledge it. But I think

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Speaker 1: I'd say, talking about Wendy is really difficult for me because,

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Speaker 1: as you know, this was the Wendy Williams show. I

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Speaker 1: Sherry took over Wendy's show. They know that what they're

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Speaker 1: They don't want to alienate them, so they're scared that

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Speaker 1: we often say nothing. Well nothing is saying a lot

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Speaker 1: In, isn't it. It is? But that's what you paid

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Speaker 1: think what's happening to her is a disgrace, I do,

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Speaker 1: and that you don't need to say any more than that.

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Speaker 1: How about Sherry invites Wendy on the show. That's too much,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Well, listen, there's so many people who

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Mark, Wendy, if you're listening, and you

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Speaker 1: us to our whole question of the day. Cherry Shepherd

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Speaker 1: to help people to stand up for what we believe in,

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Speaker 2: This is a crazy story. So Beyonce and Jez are

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Speaker 2: West has crossed the line yet again, the sound launching

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Speaker 1: It should have been.

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Speaker 2: It should have been. And then, while the power couples

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Speaker 1: It makes sense, don't mess, don't mess with Beyonce and

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Speaker 1: It's a really complicated story. This is mark because part

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Speaker 1: I think they are handling this just perfectly. Get your

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Speaker 1: There's no coming back once you attack the kids, once

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Speaker 1: exposing potential legal problems over his past drug use, which

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Speaker 1: he openly admitted in his memoir Spare let me explain. So,

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Speaker 1: instead of being humbold or worried, he's furious. He's not scared.

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