1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:02,279 Speaker 1: Can I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobelt podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 2: We're on from one until four and then after four o'clock. 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 2: Whatever you missed you could hear on the iHeart app 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: John Colebelt Show on demand the podcast version. So this 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 2: is a special day. This is the first day of 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 2: my life that OJ Simpson does not exist, and that 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: it gives me a warm feeling throughout my soul. We 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: were just talking with Gary and Shannon a few minutes 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: ago about it, and it really is. 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: This is the story that. 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: Affected me the most personally and emotionally, and I really 13 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 2: couldn't talk about it for the last thirty years. I 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: really could never watch a TV production about the OJ trial. 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: I couldn't watch a movie, not any of the series, nothing, 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: because you know, if I looked at it for three minutes, 17 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: I'd get out of my mind angry all over again. 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: It was just it was so overwhelming. I used to 19 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 2: feel such sadness for the for the Golden family and 20 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 2: the Brown family, and for the life of me, I 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: could not ever understand why those psycho jurors could let 22 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: Oj off, and I understand all the explanations. And I 23 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: understand all the racial animosity in Los Angeles at the 24 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: time and whatever whatever everybody's been debating all these years, 25 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 2: but there was just say, I guess I don't know 26 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: if I was naive or childlike, but you know, I 27 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: never identified with a group in my life as a kid. 28 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 2: I was an outsider as a kid in elementary school, 29 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: and I never felt like I was not in a 30 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: house where my parents defined themselves as a Republican or 31 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: a Democrat. I didn't define myself based on my skin color. 32 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: You know, we were Polish since my dad was a 33 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: was an immigrant from there, but that didn't really dominate 34 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: our life. That was just I just looked at things 35 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: clearly for what it was, what I saw with my 36 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: own eyes, and I didn't it ever colored it with 37 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: that weird bias that so many people have now, that 38 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: weird partisanship, that tribal thinking, this feeling that you have 39 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: to be careful of what you say, you can't betray 40 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: your own side, you can't give ammunition to the other side, 41 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: all this bs that society is bogged down in. And 42 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: so when we came out here to Los Angeles, I 43 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: looked at all the news stories that way, well what happened, 44 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: and you could tell pretty quickly that Ojay slaughtered Nicole 45 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: and Ron Goldman. There wasn't any doubt about it, any doubt, 46 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: let alone a reasonable doubt. But it was obvious, and 47 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: as I mentioned Garon Shannon, going into the trial, I 48 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: wasn't sure how much we were going to cover it. 49 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 2: I mean, we knew we would, but everything felt played out, 50 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: burnt out to a certain extent. The trial, of course, 51 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: became fascinating, captivating, and we quickly they did it full 52 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: bore every day. But you know, on the inside here 53 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: in the week's leading up to the trial, it was like, 54 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: oh God, this is one of these obvious stories that 55 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: it's never going to go away. I still didn't appreciate 56 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: how much everybody on the pro oj side, how much 57 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: they had invested in him, because I saw him on 58 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 2: television playing football as a kid, and he was one 59 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: of the great football players. But the Buffalo Bills that 60 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: he played for most of the time were a bad team, 61 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: and they really weren't on TV much. 62 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: Where I was. 63 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: I grew up in the New Jersey, New York area, 64 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: so we got a lot of New York Jets and 65 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: New York Giants, and you know, Pittsburgh Steelers, Dallas Cowboys 66 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: on the national games, and you didn't see the Bills much, 67 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: so I'd never you know, I was not invested in 68 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: Ojay as an athlete. I remember him in the television commercials, 69 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: remember him in the Naked Gun movies. He was an 70 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: announcer from Monday they had football, and I remember he 71 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: was a terrible announcer, just awful. But you know, he's 72 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: one of these media things, these figures. And when he 73 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: killed Ron and Nicole, it was a Sunday night, I 74 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: think it was June twelfth and nineteen ninety four, and 75 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: that Monday, and there was a day where we got 76 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: the tape of Monday the thirteenth because you know, after 77 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: a few months, Ken and I were so anti oj 78 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: pro guilty verdict because again it was obvious that people 79 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: started signing us dark motives, you know, that we were 80 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: racist to pick on oj and I said, actually no. 81 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: My first reaction was I can't see him doing that. 82 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: And we went back and we played the clip from 83 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: that Monday after the murder because he you know, I 84 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: guess I had absorbed his happy go lucky image enough 85 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: where It just didn't hit me that he was the 86 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: h he was the murderers type, you know, it seemed 87 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 2: it seemed kind of crazy. Come to find out that 88 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: most of the time when someone a woman is murdered viciously, 89 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 2: it's because it's a husband or boyfriend. That's the first 90 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: thing that police hone in on. And they're right most 91 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: of the time. 92 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: They're right. 93 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 2: Men kill women far far more than women kill men, 94 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 2: and a jealous rage is a vicious personal murder. I 95 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: heard Eric Shawn on this morning. He is a Fox reporter, 96 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: and he was on Fox News and he said, what 97 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 2: the public never saw was the autopsy photos. 98 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: And Eric Seawan said, I saw them. 99 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: I saw her throat cut viciously, her voice box was shredded, 100 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: her carotid arteries were cut. The knife was plunged in 101 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: so deep it it made it all the way to 102 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: hear backbone. And he goes, there are pictures you know, 103 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: I can't describe to you because they're so disturbing, it's 104 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: so overwhelmingly vicious. And he went on for quite a while, 105 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,239 Speaker 2: and I thought, yeah, you know, that's why I always 106 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: I always think really gory photos and gory video in 107 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: a criminal situation or a worse situation should be seen 108 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 2: because if it's not on video, people either don't believe 109 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: it or they don't remember it, and so there's a 110 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: big gap there. If the way the human brain works, 111 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: if it's not something they saw, the gap could be 112 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: filled in with alternate stories, propaganda, you know, other sides 113 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: of the story. Well, you don't know, you weren't there, nonsense. Well, 114 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: if you'd seen the auto and I never saw them, 115 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,559 Speaker 2: But if you saw the autopsy video of Coronel Eric Sean, 116 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: there wouldn't have been a soul in America who didn't 117 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: believe that OJ did it, because only your boyfriend husband 118 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: ex husband would be motivated to kill you so viciously. 119 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: It had to be from a feeling of betrayal, and 120 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: OJ felt betrayed because they'd gotten divorced, they'd broken up, 121 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: and she was outdating other guys. And he's not the 122 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: only guy who had the attitude of like, well, if 123 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: I can't have her, nobody can have her. Guys kill 124 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: their wives, ex wives, girlfriends, ex girlfriends all the time 125 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: in a way wasn't remarkable. It's one of the oldest 126 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: stories in the world. Guy feels betrayed loses his mind 127 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: and Ron Goldman, what was the story? He was returning 128 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: sunglasses because he worked at the restaurant where Nicole had 129 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: dined at that evening she left her sunglasses behind. They 130 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: were friends, so he walked over to the house to 131 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: return them and he got it too. And I don't remember. Oh, well, 132 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: I'll get to this when we come back. What I 133 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: realized he did it was the day of the chase, 134 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: because duh, nobody who's innocent leads police on a chase 135 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: for over an hour. Nobody does that. That's how you 136 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: know he's guilty. Again, it was obvious, but during that 137 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: chase is when people started coming out and standing on 138 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: the overpasses, cheering him on, and it was it was 139 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: a sick moment. And again I didn't realize what I 140 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 2: didn't realize what human nature was really until the oj trial. 141 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: I didn't realize what a violent psychopath can do. I 142 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 2: didn't realize what the sociopathic attorneys were made of. I 143 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: didn't realize the tribal feelings people had. It's like I knew, 144 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: I didn't feel it. After OJ. I felt all this stuff. 145 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 2: I understood how fanatical sports fans could be and if 146 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: one of their heroes murdered their ex wife. They wouldn't 147 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: care it, actually root for them. So suddenly all these layers, 148 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: all these sick layers of human nature, started unraveling in 149 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: front of my eyes. We'll talk more coming up. 150 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI A M. 151 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 3: Six forty. 152 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: We're going to do a special show today. 153 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: We're gonna talk a lot about memories of the oj 154 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 2: trial and Cafe I's coverage, our coverage going back. We've 155 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: got we've got some clips to play. Ken's gonna come 156 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: on after two o'clock. Yes, they Ken Champeau still alive. 157 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 2: You know, somebody said, what would it take for Ken 158 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 2: to come back on the radio? Oj would have to die? 159 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: Oh j died. So there you go, and he's he's 160 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: gonna be on. He was on with Gary and Shannon 161 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: earlier too. I wish I took the under on that 162 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: bet Hu. So he's, uh, he'll be here at two o'clock. 163 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: And so we've been talk to someone with Gary and 164 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: Shannon some on my own last segment about what it 165 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: was like here. I think we know the whole ojy story, 166 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: and I think many of you were listening. Then some 167 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: of you, if you like KFI, probably wondered what it 168 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: was like going back some years and just wondered what 169 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 2: it was like behind the scenes when one of these 170 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: massive tsunami kind of news stories just overtake, overtake our culture, 171 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: certainly overtook Los Angeles. I don't know if you've ever 172 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: seen the group the photos of how much media coverage 173 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 2: there was. I don't know that. I think it was 174 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: unprecedented the amount of media that covered this trial. And 175 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: the trial went on for nine months from January to 176 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: October of nineteen ninety five, and it made a number 177 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: of careers and really made our career. We had gotten 178 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: here in December, in November ninety two, November, and so 179 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: we were here a year and a half, and then 180 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: June and ninety four OJ kills Nicole, and like I said, 181 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: our first reaction was, now, it could be him, right, 182 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: you know, first of all, he's got so much going 183 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: for him. He's you know, he's making millions of dollars 184 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 2: in media and in endorsements that he wouldn't do that. 185 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: But then. 186 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 2: Then the chase happened, and Ken and I are on 187 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: the air, and I guess you. 188 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: Know back then. 189 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: One of the things about that time was there was 190 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 2: so much less of everything. 191 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: There was no real Internet. 192 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: I mean nineteen ninety four, I think the Internet was 193 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: just starting to get going among the public. There might 194 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: have been ten million people that had access to it 195 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: at a three hundred million, and it would have been 196 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: the geeks. And you started getting AOL access, well they 197 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: were they were well, they're CD ROMs you put into 198 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: your computer and you were able to get dial up 199 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: access to AOL dot com. But the news sites, the 200 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 2: few of them there were, were all really primitive. A 201 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: couple of pictures, some text it took forever to load. 202 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: Mostly it was a newspaper, magazine, TV, newsworld, and radio. 203 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: So but the Internet was close to nonexistent. Social media 204 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: was completely non existent, except for some I guess message boards. 205 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: But you couldn't communicate directly to people. It's an entirely 206 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: different environment. So you heard things through word of mouth, 207 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: You heard things because a friend told you, maybe called 208 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 2: Jit home. 209 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: Well, we had. 210 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: Televisions in the studio and I believe it was Channel 211 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: five that we were watching, and it was OJ chasing 212 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 2: OJ being chased by the police, and he had disappeared. 213 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: The police were onto them all ready, and he ended 214 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 2: up going to Orange County to where Nicole was buried. 215 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 2: Al Collings was driving the jeep with the Bronco rather 216 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 2: Al Callings is driving the Bronco and then you know, 217 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: something tells us Ojay's being chased on TV and we 218 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 2: started watching Channel five and we started doing a play 219 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: by play. Ken and I did a play by play, 220 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 2: and whoever else was on with us at the time, Mark, 221 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: the late Mark Dennis, was doing traffic reports. Normally he 222 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 2: was in the studio, but he was calling in from 223 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 2: his car, and I think he was trailing the chase 224 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: and giving us updates as to what exit ramp oj 225 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: was passing. And that's where I went. How you know, 226 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: watching TV and listening to Mark, we found out about 227 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: the people crowding on the overpasses, and so we just 228 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 2: kept describing. We had her eyes glued to the screen, 229 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: describing on the radio, no commercial breaks, what was going on, 230 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 2: because we understood a gun in the back seat, and 231 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: that he could kill himself at any moment live on television, 232 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: or he could kill Al Callings, or maybe he could 233 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: lean out and shoot at the tops. Like nobody knew 234 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: this was the highest drama anybody had ever experienced. 235 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: It is. 236 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 2: It is like somebody asked me, what is your favorite moment, 237 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: or well, the most dramatic moment that I remember was 238 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: this one. Is being on the air and doing the 239 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: play by play live of the chase going up and 240 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: he was headed towards Brentwood. He was going down Sunset Boulevard. Incidentally, 241 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 2: a wife was positioned in Sunset Boulevard. She was working 242 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: for Channel eleven at that time, so I knew she 243 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: was there. And we were in the studio and Terry 244 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: or Elmer was on with us, and she was getting 245 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: the news bulletins, you know, off the wire, and so 246 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: we were trying to piece together this coverage of where 247 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: he'd been and where he was now and where he 248 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: was likely going, and what was waiting for him, and 249 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: what the people were doing because they were standing on 250 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: both sides of Sunset Boulevard. 251 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: Cheering him on. And you know, you weren't. 252 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: You weren't even thinking, you were just reacting to whatever 253 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: was happening. And we've got this montage this has stuff 254 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: from the car chase in it. 255 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, the car chase. 256 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: The when you guys are outside the murder or the 257 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: trial and then the after the verdict stuff. All right, 258 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: just can you play just the car chase At the beginning, 259 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: we're tracking OJ Simpson going north on the four or 260 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: five freeway. Al Cowing's driving Simpson in the back with 261 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: a gun, perhaps trailed by fourteen cops. He's going about 262 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 2: forty five miles an hour. All right, let's go to 263 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: Steve now in the Latierra car phone. 264 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 4: Hi. 265 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just had to pull over. 266 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: The entire freeway was lined with people with kids coming 267 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: out taking. 268 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: Pictures, taking pictures. 269 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: It's very strange and these people everybody's excited and seem 270 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: to be happy and more videos. 271 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: This is not a farewell tour and oja. 272 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 2: If you are listening to the radio, please end this, 273 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: turn yourself in and do not kill yourself, Do not 274 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 2: hurt anyone. 275 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: Because this is just very sad. Very people cheering makes 276 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: it sadder. Now making a left turn onto. 277 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: Sunset and all people in the street waving, jumping in 278 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 2: front of moving cars to wave at him as he's 279 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: going by. If he's going back to his Brentwood house 280 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: and there's a bunch of people in there, do you 281 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: let him in there? 282 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: Do you risk him taking hostages. 283 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: He's passing some teleodence right towards the media horde, and 284 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 2: they told him to his driveway apparently. 285 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: And now what happens. Somebody has walked over to the 286 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: driver door. 287 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: Oh, there seems to be an altercation between a guy 288 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 2: who walks shot the door. 289 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: Two cops have showed up at the scene. Nobody has 290 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: come out of the car. 291 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: It's just sitting there with the lights flashing. There's no logic, 292 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: there's no reason or slap stuff. So that that gives 293 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: you a sense of what that chase was like. And 294 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 2: that was well over an hour, maybe almost an hour 295 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: and a half, and it was it was intense because 296 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 2: at any minute you thought you were going to see 297 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: some horrific tragedy. 298 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: And we will continue. 299 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobel's on demand from KFI. 300 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: Ken is going to be on, Yesken Champeaux coming on 301 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: after the two o'clock news. We're gonna talk about OJ days. 302 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 2: Since OJ's dead. OJ's dead, everybody dance, Somebody write to 303 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 2: write a song the OJ's Dead Dance, Because I tell 304 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 2: you I I the wound healed only slightly when he 305 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: got convicted in Las Vegas of trying to steal his 306 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 2: own memorabilia, remember that incident at the hotel with the 307 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: memorabilia people, and he wanted to get his stuff back, 308 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: and he ended up getting charged, I think with kidnapping. 309 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 2: And anyway, I ended up nine years in prison. And 310 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: I don't know that judge. It was a woman. I 311 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: should remember her name, but she's in my own personal 312 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 2: hall of fame because that was paidback no way. Jackie Glass. Yeah, 313 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 2: Steve Gregory had a thing for her. Steve he was 314 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 2: covering that and he would he would come back from 315 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: from the story and he was telling us about Jackie 316 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 2: Glass and I don't know, maybe it was a tight robe. 317 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: I don't know what it was, but yeah, she did 318 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: some good there. And then the last last few years 319 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: he really went silent. I didn't think of him anymore. 320 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 2: I didn't realize he had this advanced cancer. I know 321 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: it was announced, but I guess the whole world stopped 322 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: paying attention to him. You know, a whole generation grows 323 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: up and they don't know who Jay is. 324 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 4: You know. 325 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: That generation that was fully immersed in nineteen ninety five, 326 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 2: he was. It is impossible to explain if you weren't there. 327 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 2: How overwhelming the whole thing was. It was morning tonight 328 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 2: every day. All the channels were carrying coverage of the trial, 329 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 2: and everything was an event. I remember it was so 330 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: addictive and we couldn't we could. I hated taking a 331 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: day off work. My first son was born in the 332 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: middle of the OJ trial in September, and I was 333 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 2: trying to be a good dad and my wife said, well, 334 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 2: I don't you stay home from work for a few days. 335 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: I said, okay, and help out, and I did. Didn't object, 336 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: and you know, Ken could do the show alone. But 337 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 2: we had a lot of people over the house. Her 338 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: mother was over, her sister was over. We had a 339 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: night nurse who was there really turned out to be 340 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 2: twenty four hour nurse. Her dad was over, you know, 341 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 2: other friends and neighbors. I was about sixth on the 342 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 2: depth chart when it came to providing help for the baby. 343 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: I just wasn't needed. 344 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 2: But I took a few days off and I remember 345 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 2: sitting in the backyard on a lounge chair listening to 346 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: Ken doing the show, and I'm thinking, well, why is 347 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: he doing the show and I'm here? 348 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: Nobody needs me here. 349 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 2: I should be there, and that's how that's how into 350 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: it it was. It's like I couldn't even take time 351 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 2: out for a few days because my sonate arrived. But 352 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 2: it's because, you know, I was pushed aside men generally 353 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 2: are you know it's funny. Wives always say they want 354 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 2: you around for moments like that, but if you actually 355 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 2: show up, you're last in line. You're there if there's 356 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: an emergency. Otherwise they collect all the feminine energy from 357 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: the friends and relatives and mothers and sisters and whatnot. 358 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 2: So we get to the trial and the one thing 359 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 2: I remember about verdict day. Verdict Day was October third, 360 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: and our program director David Hall asked us to do 361 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: the coverage. The verdict was mid morning. I think the 362 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: verdict came out a little bit after ten o'clock in 363 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 2: the morning and Rusian Limbo was normally on, so we 364 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: preempted Russia's show and we were on doing a pregame 365 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: and they'd only deliberated four hours, which in retrospect was ominous, right, 366 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: And it was either the most obvious guilty verdict in 367 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,959 Speaker 2: the world, which is what I thought and most people thought, 368 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: or they completely dismissed it out of hand and they 369 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 2: made up their minds months and months ago, which is 370 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: really what happened. But at that moment, and you know 371 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: this I was talking about, this was Gary shannel last hour. 372 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: I had no feel for it at all because it 373 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 2: was so obvious for me. But at the same time, 374 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: there was this nagging feeling like the prosecution never really 375 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 2: put the case together, and I can't tell you why. 376 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: And I didn't know what was giving me that bad feeling. 377 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: I didn't know if. 378 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 2: It was biased news coverage, if it was you know, 379 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 2: watching too many men on the street reports and seeing 380 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: all the all the confused fools, all the oj ruders. 381 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 2: I don't know what it was, but it it it it. 382 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: But when it finally happened, oh, it was like a 383 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 2: ton of bricks and every every whatever people were expecting. 384 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 2: That it actually happened that way was a terrific shock, 385 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: and I remember just being overwhelmed with anger and I 386 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 2: think I screamed for hours that morning. We might have 387 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 2: a clip of that we can play later, right, yeah, 388 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: maybe you know later we played you know, all the clips. 389 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: But I so we did it. 390 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 2: We did probably maybe up till noon, and then we 391 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 2: were going to come back and do our regular show 392 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: at three o'clock and David Hall took me out for 393 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 2: a long walk. We were in Korea Town at the time, 394 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: and he took me out for a walk so that 395 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 2: I would calm down and like cool off a little, 396 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 2: because he didn't know what was going to happen, what 397 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 2: I was going to say, because I was just so 398 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 2: overwhelmed with rage. And took me to oddly the Ambassador 399 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 2: Hotel where Robert Kennedy had gotten shot, and the hotel 400 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 2: was abandoned by then, and we walked onto the empty 401 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 2: lot and poked our heads inside the hotel and everything 402 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 2: was all dilapidated and run down, busted up, looted, you know, 403 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 2: the whole thing was in disrepair and needed to be bulldozed. 404 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 2: And I think it eventually was for a school, but 405 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: that was the strangest cool down walk to, you know, 406 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 2: end up in looking through the rotted remains of a 407 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: place where there had been an assassination. That was that day, 408 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 2: and then I remember we were taking calls for the 409 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 2: next three weeks. Show was four hours. Then we took calls, 410 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 2: every one of them, all right, four hours a day 411 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 2: for fifteen straight days, maybe twenty straight days, maybe four weeks, 412 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 2: every hour, every call, everybody angry over the OJ vert, 413 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: everybody angry over the OJ verdict. Like things usually died 414 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 2: down after a couple of days, and not this one. 415 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 2: This one was such a terrible psychic wound for most people. 416 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 2: And it was the whole thing was so strange because 417 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: there was not a lot of sympathy for Nicole. There 418 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 2: was a lot for the Golden family, Ron's parents, but 419 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 2: Fred Goldman, the father who is basically the spokesman the Browns, 420 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 2: didn't speak much in public at all. And for some reason, 421 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: I don't know why. I guess Nicole was just thought 422 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 2: of to be this, this this party girl, gold digger. 423 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 2: I I that seemed to be what what people felt. 424 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: They they they were angry over the murder and that 425 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 2: he got away with it. They were angry that Ron 426 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 2: got killed. But Nicole was just sort of this ghost 427 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 2: that drifted around and and maybe, you know, had people 428 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 2: seeing how vicious the attack was, that would have been different. 429 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: And uh, you know, to this day, I don't think 430 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 2: she's ever gotten the sympathy that that that. You know, 431 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: Ron Goldman and they both deserved an enormous amount of sympathy. 432 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: It was it was. 433 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: Truly, you know, you just you just don't know stories 434 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: like this, unleast so much weirdness in human nature, the 435 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 2: way there's been so much weirdness in the last four 436 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: years for a whole bunch of reasons. That was weirdness 437 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: that came from the one case, and it just and 438 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 2: you know, I guess it was coming off the riots. 439 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: We weren't here for the riots. I saw the riots 440 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 2: from a distance, so maybe I didn't fully appreciate at 441 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 2: the time the impact that the riots had and why 442 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: the OJ verdict was going to be an answer to 443 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 2: the riots, which is the most kind hearted explanation I. 444 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: Could come up with. 445 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 2: We'll come back, play a couple of clips, and then 446 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 2: Ken comes on after two o'clock. 447 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: OJ's dead. OJ's dead. Life is good. 448 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobelts on demand from KFI AM sixty. 449 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: Ken is back just for a little bit since OJ died. 450 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 2: He's going to come on right after two o'clock to 451 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 2: celebrate the death of OJ Simpson. We're playing some clips 452 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 2: for the past and talking about what it was like 453 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 2: living in the middle of the storm back in the 454 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: mid nineties. This story ran from nineteen June and ninety 455 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 2: four when Nicole and Ron Goldman got killed to I 456 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 2: guess it was February, I think nineteen ninety seven when 457 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 2: the civil trial happened. Oh, and I got to tell 458 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 2: you about Ken and I seeing OJ up close at 459 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: the civil trial because we went We were sitting up 460 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 2: close in one of the front rows. But here is 461 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 2: to give you a sense of kfi's involvement. Our promotion 462 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 2: staff at the time put up some billboards, a lot 463 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 2: of billboards all over the LA area, some of you 464 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 2: might remember them. Half of them said, in big white 465 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: block letters, guilty. It was white letters on a black background, 466 00:26:54,080 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 2: nothing else. Didn't identify the station nothing Guilty. Another set 467 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 2: of billboards that said innocent. They were both up at 468 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 2: the same time. 469 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: Guilty. 470 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: Innocent managed to piss everybody off. We're gonna play a 471 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: clip here. All the local TV stations covered the billboards. 472 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 2: You know, at first it was a mystery, then people 473 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 2: figured it out. We admitted to it. You're not going 474 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: to hear Ken and I on this audio, although we're 475 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 2: seen in video during the montage. But at the end 476 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: it costs such a sensation that Jay Leno included it 477 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: in his monologue. He actually showed video of the billboards 478 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 2: while he was cracking jokes about the billboards that KFI 479 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: put up. 480 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: So play cut number three. 481 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 5: If the idea behind billboards is to get people talking, 482 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 5: then we found one campaign that's really working. 483 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: Maybe you've seen them. 484 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 5: One says innocent, the other says guilty. So just who's 485 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 5: the guilty party behind this gag? 486 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 6: Guilty and innocent is a primary question that's on everybody's mind, 487 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 6: and we deal with the topical ish shoes hit or 488 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 6: top of mind at KFI. So we are incorporating the 489 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 6: guilty and innocent into a marketing campaign for the radio station. 490 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 2: Norman Wilson got reaction from Simpson attorney Johnny Cochrane. 491 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 7: On the way here today, I drove down the Brea 492 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 7: and on twenty first in Librea, there's a big billboard 493 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 7: up there. It was very distressing to me the word said. 494 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 7: It said guilty, and I'm appalled by that. We'll probably 495 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 7: be addressing that in court next week. I mean, I 496 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 7: don't want to be Parannoyd, but I think that probably. 497 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 1: Applies to something that I'm interested in. 498 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 6: And it turns out that they are put there by 499 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 6: KFI Radio and we're going to hear more about them 500 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 6: as they unfold more of that advertising campaign. 501 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: Oh you know that, Yes, very good. 502 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 7: Damnus. 503 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 5: A radio station's billboard campaign is stirring up a new 504 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 5: controversy in the Simpson court route. The billboards seen around 505 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 5: the Southland have one word guilty or innocent. 506 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: And here's what the fear is all about. 507 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 6: Stark billboards up around town. 508 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 7: They read guilty or innocent, nothing more. 509 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 6: But it turns out, as we said, it's all just 510 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,719 Speaker 6: a big publicity stut that seems to be working. 511 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 2: Well. 512 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 5: If you've been wondering about those cryptic billboards that cropped 513 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 5: up all over town. 514 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: While the mystery is solved and the catching. 515 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 5: Campaign is now capturing the attention of the attorneys in 516 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 5: the Simpson case and. 517 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 7: Driving around the city recently, and I've seen these billboards. 518 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 7: I've seen only the ones that say guilty, which is 519 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 7: troubling to me, but I understand there are also some 520 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 7: that say innocent. And I just wanted the court to 521 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 7: be aware of that, so that if and when the 522 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 7: jurors taken out on I outings, when you know about this. 523 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 7: So they're taking down routes that have signed saying one 524 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 7: thing or the other that could be prejudicial to either side. 525 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: Of this case. 526 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 7: I want to indicate to the quote that I have 527 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,959 Speaker 7: seen those billboards. The ones I saw were innocent, and 528 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 7: I'm sure there's something otherworldly about. 529 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 6: This personally, probably the pay per view Ojay special. No 530 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 6: one's going to be kick out of it, though I'm 531 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 6: sorry that mister cochrane didn't mention our call letters. 532 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,959 Speaker 2: KFI thinks it's a big to do over nothing, and 533 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 2: they're just happy that they're getting all this attention for 534 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 2: the next phase of this campaign when they unveil those 535 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 2: billboards tomorrow. 536 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 4: KFI Radio put the billboards up and the station says 537 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 4: part two of the campaign will hit later this week 538 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:04,959 Speaker 4: stay tuned. 539 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: But isn't that the idea anyway? Gilly? 540 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 4: Absolutely, the big billboards, they say guilty and then some 541 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 4: say innocent, like hear the actual But we canna show 542 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 4: folks like here's one. This is one on Sunset guilty. 543 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 4: Here's one over run Santa Monica. This is innocent presently even. 544 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: Watching the trial. 545 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 4: Here's the one they should put up, and we show 546 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 4: that one we saw on. 547 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: Sent porn billboard. 548 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 2: There's jay Leto on the tonight show back then. So 549 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 2: that's that's how overwhelming it was and how overwhelming our coverage, 550 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: Cafe I's coverage was at the time, that we could 551 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 2: get into Jay Leno's monologue at night when we come back, 552 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 2: Ken's gonna be on Ken Shampoo, first appearance since he retired. 553 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: Somebody had to die to get him on the radio. 554 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 2: Sad, It's very sad, but oh Jay's dead and that 555 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 2: makes me happy. Heather Brooker live in the CAFI twenty 556 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 2: four hour news form. Hey, you've been listening to The 557 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 2: John Cobalt Show podcast. 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