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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 1: my name is Noel. They call me Ben. You are you?

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Speaker 1: And that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This this is something that's been a long time in

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Speaker 1: coming for the three of us and for everyone else.

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Speaker 1: It's also been a long time in Alberton, that's a

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Speaker 1: joke about coming the county, another county in Georgia where

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Speaker 1: Excuse me. Alberton's weird because it has the area because

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a there's an interesting thing we could

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Speaker 1: explore with the You know, there are conspiracy theories about

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Speaker 1: area codes, which will be something for a completely different podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Not Today, my Friend, Not Today, my Friend. Today, we

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Speaker 1: are casting our memory back to nineteen eighty, almost forty

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Speaker 1: years gone now in a small town called Elberton, Georgia,

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Speaker 1: the self proclaimed granite capital of the world. And no,

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Speaker 1: you have, uh, you have praps some of the we

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Speaker 1: you definitely have the most I would say personal experience

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Speaker 1: with today's topic. Could you could you lead us in?

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Speaker 1: You'll give you the set up? Can you give us

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Speaker 1: the setup? I'm gonna do it in my setup voice.

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Speaker 1: In June of nineteen seventy nine, a well dressed, well

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Speaker 1: spoken stranger walked into the office of the Elberton Granite

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Speaker 1: Robert Christian when introducing himself to the owner, Joe Findley,

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Speaker 1: who was finishing his payroll. He said that he represented

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Speaker 1: a small group of proud Americans who wanted to erect

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Speaker 1: a monument in granite that would help shape the future

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Speaker 1: of mankind. That's right, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, and those

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Speaker 1: who are aliens or ghosts or future AI listening to

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Speaker 1: this show today, at this moment in time and space,

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Speaker 1: we are exploring the strange and fascinating story behind what

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Speaker 1: is often called America's Stonehenge, but has another more common name,

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Speaker 1: the Georgia. Guidestones. Don't don't done? Man? You read my

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Speaker 1: mind with that sound effect? Is that? Okay? I know

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Speaker 1: we could do it in No, no, no, it's better

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Speaker 1: from you. More gravity, yeah, more more gravitas. So we

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Speaker 1: led to the three of us being there in Elberton, Georgia,

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Speaker 1: the seat of Elbert County. And this is a very

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Speaker 1: a piece of farmland that was gifted to the city

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Speaker 1: Because what what were we referring to when we said

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Speaker 1: watching this, And like many people, he passed away in

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Speaker 1: remains as the most notable location surrounding the Georgia Guide Stones.

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Speaker 1: It's built to convey astrological information, contains these multi lingual

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Speaker 1: and the languages all of these directives are listed in English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese,

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Speaker 1: presented without comment. Number one maintain humanity under five hundred

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Speaker 1: ancient religions or to witchcraft or other irrational human beliefs.

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Speaker 1: We discourage the use of the monument site for cultist

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Speaker 1: purposes of any kind. We ask the people of Elbert

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Speaker 1: County to protect the site from abuse, so that our

431
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: brief appeal to reason may be carried to our fellow

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Speaker 1: human beings of all philosophies in a united effort to

433
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Speaker 1: deal with the problems of the world through the application

434
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Speaker 1: of human him yours truly, r. C. So this official

435
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: statement more or less categorically disavows any sort of occult

436
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: or ritualistic um involvement, at least on the part of

437
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Speaker 1: our seat. And again, the words that we are hearing

438
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 1: that pop up here consistently are things like reason, common sense.

439
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: This is clearly based on at least a group that

440
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Speaker 1: perceives themselves as proceeding in secularism and rationalism, also as

441
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Speaker 1: being relatively neutral in terms of any kind of there

442
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Speaker 1: they mentioned. He mentioned in the letter that there is

443
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Speaker 1: no political message. I disagree with. I completely disagree with that,

444
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Speaker 1: especially in context of nine when it was Yeah. I

445
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Speaker 1: love that you point that outmat because we cannot divorce

446
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Speaker 1: this from the context of time in which it occurred.

447
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: We are as a species at that point, possibly closer

448
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: to nuclear war than we have been at any time

449
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: definitely before or a since World War Two. And now

450
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: another another factor we forget is that these two gigantic

451
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: superpowers are fighting proxy wars throughout the country. And this

452
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: is the These are the days before widespread internet, So

453
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: the average person was going after work very hard to

454
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Speaker 1: have more of an international understanding. Right. Yeah, investigative journalism

455
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: was better, That's just a fact. But the problem is

456
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: that fewer people had access to diverse sources of information.

457
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Speaker 1: And the reason I think that all of us are

458
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 1: having a hard time separating this from a politicical context

459
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Speaker 1: as they're talking about the rule of law on a

460
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Speaker 1: global scale, which is itself a political opinion. What don't

461
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Speaker 1: you think absolutely? I mean, and as you say, it's

462
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Speaker 1: almost like there's a a very palpable desire need, if

463
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Speaker 1: you will, to combat the potential for hysteria and and

464
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Speaker 1: and losing that rationality and that sense of reason and

465
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Speaker 1: just completely falling victim to you know, the hysteria of

466
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Speaker 1: the time, which was Cold war paranoia, the idea that we,

467
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Speaker 1: you know, may not be long for this world, you know,

468
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Speaker 1: and and finding a way to kind of come together

469
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Speaker 1: as humans. And let's not forget that this also, there's

470
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Speaker 1: a lot here that might lead one to believe this

471
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Speaker 1: is maybe for after the bombs fall. That's that's exactly

472
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Speaker 1: my thought. It's if bombs do fall on us soil

473
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Speaker 1: and this one remote part of Georgia remains somewhat unaffected,

474
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Speaker 1: and as people continue to like rebuild after some disaster

475
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: like that, you happen upon it and you can read

476
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: it because it's in all the languages, and you make

477
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Speaker 1: a new society. Yeah. I think that's an excellent point.

478
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Speaker 1: And it's got to be in the reckoning there, because

479
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Speaker 1: the things that tend to last the longest out of

480
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Speaker 1: human made, anything made by humanity will will tend to

481
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Speaker 1: be very um. When I say primitive, I just mean

482
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: they don't have a lot of moving parts, but like

483
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: very unsophisticated things mounds in the ground, burial mounds, stonework

484
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Speaker 1: works of soone. And this reminds me of something that

485
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: we may have talked about on the show before, which

486
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: was when NASA started asking people how we would um

487
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Speaker 1: uh necessary, asking people how we would protect future generations

488
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Speaker 1: or even extraterrestrial species from radiation sites, nuclear fallout, or

489
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Speaker 1: nuclear waste. Right, because the half life math there is tremendous,

490
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Speaker 1: and it's completely possible that the US could fall, the

491
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Speaker 1: bombs could drop, civilization could like go down into just

492
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Speaker 1: a tiny uh Tinese stuttering match flame, and then later

493
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: rekindle and people are finding out these new continents and stuff,

494
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: and then they boom, they stumble onto a toxic wasting

495
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: and like the last the fertile humans die. That was

496
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: the fear, and they came up with all these weird,

497
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: um very creative things like hey, let's get cats or

498
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Speaker 1: plants that grow in the presence of radiation, or let's

499
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: have big stonework warnings. But I think you guys are

500
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Speaker 1: absolutely right. I think it is intended for post disaster

501
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: because it's built pretty far inland. So even if climate

502
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Speaker 1: change projections of the time were but you know, as

503
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Speaker 1: catastrophic as it might have been, then it still wouldn't

504
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: be underwater. Well, and again it's at the it's the

505
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Speaker 1: highest point in Elbert County. It is a high place

506
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Speaker 1: and it's flat. So um. Mr Christian did tell why

507
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Speaker 1: Martin that he chose Alberton because of a the quality

508
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Speaker 1: and availability of the granite, and the personnel that it

509
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Speaker 1: would take to construct such a monument, and more importantly,

510
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Speaker 1: even the conditions the climate. You know, the location and

511
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Speaker 1: these things you're talking about with it being inland the

512
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Speaker 1: way it was and the elevation, making it a place

513
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Speaker 1: that could serve as a rallying point, you know, if

514
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Speaker 1: the bleep hit the fan, if the bleep hit the fan. Yeah,

515
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Speaker 1: that's uh, that's it's interesting. I wonder how many survivalist

516
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: preppers have that plan. It's like, all right, if it

517
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Speaker 1: goes down, meet me at the stones. I like that

518
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: seventy two hours. I don't know. I mean, yeah, it

519
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: might not be very helpful in gathering food and stuff. Hey,

520
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: you'd have some horses right there, though. At least I

521
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: think it's a nice idea, but there's a lot of

522
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: ideas that maybe are not so nice, And I think

523
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: maybe where we go now on this show, as we

524
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: get little granular with him, pull this thing apart, talk

525
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: about each one. But first let's take a quick break. So,

526
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Speaker 1: as we said earlier, there are ten commandments, or as

527
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 1: our friend RC likes to call them, precepts carved into

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Speaker 1: these stones, and we're looking let's look at each of them, uh,

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Speaker 1: during the time of their construction in the nineteen eighties

530
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Speaker 1: and compare those changes or the global progress may or

531
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Speaker 1: lost from then to now at the end of six

532
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Speaker 1: So what's first? The first one is maintain humanity under

533
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Speaker 1: five hundred million in perpetual balance the nature lot to

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Speaker 1: unpack here, Yeah, that, I mean it just okay, well,

535
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: well why is this? Why does this feel strange when

536
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: you hear that? Well, it obviously hasn't happened yet. And

537
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty when this monument was built, there were

538
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: in estimated four billion, four hundred and fifty three million,

539
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: eight hundred and thirty one thousand, seven hundred and fourteen

540
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: rough estimated people on planet Earth at that time. Now,

541
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Speaker 1: you know, we don't have to exactly do the math

542
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: here to let you know that five million is significantly

543
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: fewer than the number of people that existed at the time,

544
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: which brings us back to our eugenics discussions. Right. So

545
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: the big question that the guide zones imply, or the

546
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: question that conjures up immediately, is what happens to these

547
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: more than four billion people who around? So this gives

548
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: us another Um, this give us another leg to our

549
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: argument that this was meant to be read by survivors

550
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: of something what happened to all those people? That's true. Um.

551
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: There is another possibility though, that Mr Christian did in

552
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: fact support the idea of calling you know, the undesirable element.

553
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: Shall we say from the population, that there needed to

554
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: be some sort of separating the wheat from the chaff?

555
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: Shall we say for this new society? Careful? Well, I am,

556
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: but I actually have here, uh in my hands a

557
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: book um called common Sense renewed the Georgia Guidestones by

558
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: Robert Christian, and this was distributed. It was given out

559
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Speaker 1: for free at the Albert Library for years. They have

560
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: them on file there and I believe they had copies

561
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Speaker 1: that you could actually get. He left them with Mr

562
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: Martin and asked that he makes them available to people.

563
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Speaker 1: Have a copier. I don't think there are tons left.

564
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: But the very first the preface starts like this. At

565
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Speaker 1: harvest time, primitive farmers separate their grain by beating the

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Speaker 1: stalks with flails on a threshing floor. They removed the

567
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Speaker 1: loose straw, leaving a residue of grain, chaff, and dust.

568
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Speaker 1: This mixture is purified by winnowing, tossing it into the

569
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Speaker 1: air to permit the empty husks and useless debris to

570
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: be carried away on the wind. The grain kernels fall

571
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: back where they can be recovered and put to use

572
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: by the community. So what's fascinating there is that's clearly

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Speaker 1: that clearly implies something for our second precept that's coming

574
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: up here too. Um. But there are numerous things that

575
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: show up in in fiction and in international affairs and

576
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: real politics where people are saying, you know this the

577
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: egg omelet argument, right, you gotta break a ton of

578
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: eggs to make that delicious Colorado to build a better omelet. Right,

579
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Speaker 1: And obviously, no matter how you look at it, right now,

580
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: as often this hasn't worked. As of sixteen, there are

581
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Speaker 1: over seven point four billion people alive, and there's an

582
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Speaker 1: estimated eighty million more on the way in seventeen unless

583
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Speaker 1: the winnowing begins. The second one, the one that I

584
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Speaker 1: think fascinates the three of us immensely, is guide reproduction

585
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: wisely improving fitness and diversity. And this is also exactly

586
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: what um Robert Christians talking about here. It's obviously an

587
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: argument for eugenics, which itself has been the rationale for

588
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 1: numerous horrific crimes, genocides, forced sterilizations, other other strange, huge

589
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Speaker 1: medical experiments, and during various points of history it's been

590
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: lauded as a way to improve humanity, though hopefully we

591
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: can all understand how improving something might mean very different

592
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: things to different people according to who right right. And

593
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: it's true that while there are more people being born,

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00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: the pattern of birth birthrates is changing geographically. The majority

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Speaker 1: of First World developed nations are experiencing and decline in

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Speaker 1: birth rates, that Japan being one of the most um

597
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: one of the most extreme examples. And if we look

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Speaker 1: to the future we walk a little past. What we're

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Speaker 1: seeing is the idea that eugenics may be easier and

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Speaker 1: more customizable than ever before. Uh we may become a

601
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: species wherein thanks to gene editing technology, we don't have

602
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: people practicing genocides so much as we have people editing

603
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 1: genes of fetuses, unborn children, getting that crisper out, getting

604
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Speaker 1: the crisper out. Yep, crisper the famous gene editing software

605
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: which was recently used on human material for the first time.

606
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Speaker 1: And God, it sounds messed up to call it human material. Ye.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of that stuff, here's another quote from a chapter

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Speaker 1: in the book Uh Common Sense Renewed by Robert Christian,

609
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Speaker 1: chapter called cultural evolution Um. The science of genetics has

610
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Speaker 1: provided us with rudimentary understanding of the manner in which

611
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Speaker 1: a human body and brain developed from a single living cell,

612
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: the fertilized ovum. That tiny miracle combines contributions from two

613
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Speaker 1: parents and approximately equal proportions. It's central nucleus contains a

614
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Speaker 1: genetic blueprint which spells out the general characteristics of our species,

615
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Speaker 1: together with the minor variations which determine our racial and

616
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Speaker 1: individual features. Our greatest acquired feature is invisible and intangible.

617
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Speaker 1: It is our total cultural heritage, the composite of knowledge

618
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Speaker 1: which is maintained and transferred in our libraries and in

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Speaker 1: the information stores of our arts and sciences, our trades, traditions,

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Speaker 1: and all the complex living patterns of human society. The

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Speaker 1: capacity for assimilating that heritage and in enriching it is

622
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Speaker 1: mysteriously contained in the trillion or more cells which constitute

623
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Speaker 1: the living brain, and each of us collectively, these features

624
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: determine our national and individual awareness and our character. Alright,

625
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 1: So the argument there that culture is the most important thing.

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Speaker 1: The learning, actually the learning of the dead and our predecessors,

627
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Speaker 1: would be the most important thing carried by our um,

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00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: carried by our human brains, right or whatever, we build

629
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Speaker 1: a function as a proxy for a human brain. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there is a dangerous part here with eugenics, of course,

631
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Speaker 1: which is the idea of breeding programs. That sounds fun. Well,

632
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: we know that the Nazi Party tried it to create

633
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: their perfect aryan there and many you know, insipid so

634
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: called royals or aristocrats have made essentially made incest a

635
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: family tradition, and that happened to their massive disadvantage. I mean,

636
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Speaker 1: look at look at the deformities of King Tutt, look

637
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: at the jaws of the Hapsburgs, look at the web

638
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: of grossly intertwined families that are still somehow treated as

639
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: the tribal mascots of Europe. It's not just a lanister thing.

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00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: And did you know that China, the nation of China,

641
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Speaker 1: allegedly used a breeding program to create the famous basketball

642
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Speaker 1: player uh Yao Ming. And you can read reports of

643
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: this because China asked to very tall basketball players, his

644
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: father being six foot seven and his mom being six

645
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: three two, essentially breed together and see if they if

646
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: their children would be tall and then boom. For now,

647
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: there is no publicly acknowledged widespread eugenics program or breeding program,

648
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: although generational family based discrimination is almost certainly functioning in

649
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Speaker 1: a eugenistic way by for instance, North Korea's North Korea's

650
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: collective punishment system, which says if if someone violates a law,

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Speaker 1: then uh their family three generations up, three generations down off,

652
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: which means that entire family, you know, lines are are

653
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: being lost. Here's another one, unite humanity with a new

654
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: living language. I feel like this also is a big

655
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: part of of what you mentioned earlier been about how

656
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: there it just wasn't as easy to get information, especially

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00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: in an increasingly global society, global world um where there

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00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: are years of outside invaders coming and challenging our way

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00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: of life. The idea here being that if we could

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00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: communicate with our enemies in the same language, using the

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00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: same tongue, that maybe we could find more common ground. Perhaps.

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00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I think overall a lot of the messages

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Speaker 1: of the guidestones are one of peace and environmentalism and

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Speaker 1: sort of taking care of what you have and nurturing relationships.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's that's how it speaks to me.

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Speaker 1: What do you guys think. I don't know if this

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00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: is correct, but I believe that English would be the

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00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: closest thing that we could call a universal language that

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Speaker 1: exists on the planet today. In TWI yeah, it's the okay.

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Speaker 1: So there's a difference between what would be a constructed

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Speaker 1: language and then a language like English, right, or a

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00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: language like Mandarin. So many people have made attempts to

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Speaker 1: create a global language before the Georgia Guidestones were a thing,

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Speaker 1: and one of the most famous is Esperanto. There's uh,

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00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: there's an Esperanto film starting William Schattner. I think we

676
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about Esperanto on a on another trip, uh,

677
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: but it never it never caught on and Matt, You're

678
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: absolutely right. Currently English, let's consider it the de facto

679
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: language of business. So there are more people in raw

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Speaker 1: numbers being native speakers of Mandarin for instance, right, or

681
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Speaker 1: Chinese language. However, there are more and more people who

682
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Speaker 1: are speaking English in their common Like let's say you

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Speaker 1: spoke German and you spoke Spanish, and you spoke English,

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Speaker 1: and Nole spoke Russian, and Noll spoke uh Swahili and

685
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 1: also English, then of course you would naturally converse in English,

686
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: but it's still not the not the world's language yet.

687
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: And like you said, Noll, the rise of this incredibly

688
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: cheap communication now the fact that we can have essentially

689
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Speaker 1: the same kind of conversation if you live in Thailand

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00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: and I lived in Um. What's far away from Thailand,

691
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: that's not here, Australia, Australia. What I meant originally was,

692
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Speaker 1: at the time, we didn't have that kind of instantaneous

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Speaker 1: communication the way we do now. In nine it was

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Speaker 1: much more difficult to get instantaneous news and information. Like

695
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: you said, there was better quality of news, but it

696
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: certainly wasn't as readily available to all people, and it

697
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be as easy to find out what was going

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Speaker 1: on in Russia, you know, or have a one on

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Speaker 1: one conversation with somebody who was perceived as being like

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Speaker 1: an enemy. I think the idea here to have to

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00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: unify people with a living new language is the idea

702
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: of bringing people together by getting rid of those language barriers.

703
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: So in a way, technology and the Internet has sort

704
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: of achieved this precept. From where we stand today, well

705
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: I did. I think it's definitely eroded it and I

706
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: don't think it's eliminating. But but it also goes to

707
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: another bigger question. How do we define a language? This

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Speaker 1: is this is something that's important because clearly, clearly the

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Speaker 1: authors of the guide some precepts mean to define a

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Speaker 1: language as something like we're speaking English now right, or

711
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: however we're translated on your television. But is math a language,

712
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: because if so, then the majority of the world speaks

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Speaker 1: it to one degree or another. And you know, we've

714
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Speaker 1: always talked about extraterrestrials or how you would communicate with

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Speaker 1: an entirely alien species of some sort, it would probably

716
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: be something like math um. But there are all lot

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Speaker 1: of things you can't express in math, you know what

718
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you can't. Uh, there's a certain poetry

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00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: to it, but it's not the same as the language

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Speaker 1: is we're speaking and then his music a language, right

721
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: would you would there be ever being an encounter with

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Speaker 1: someone where you would be able to communicate entirely through

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00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: music or even like body language, where that can differ

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00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: significantly across cultures, as can music. But there are things

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Speaker 1: about music that seem to cross cultural barriers, like in

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00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: terms of a feeling of reverence or or like you know,

727
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: having the you know, the hairs stand up on the

728
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Speaker 1: back of your neck when a particular passage of some

729
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: Beethoven is played, you know beautifully. Um, can you communicate

730
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: thoughts and concepts? I mean you can paint a picture,

731
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: but it's very blunt, kind of like you can't really

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00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: get into specifics. You know, where you have like us

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Speaker 1: the score to Peter in the Wolf for example, where

734
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Speaker 1: you have you know, the duck is a particular instrument

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00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: and you can kind of picture a duck waddling around

736
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 1: or something like that, But then you can't get much

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Speaker 1: more specific than that. If you used music, like like

738
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Speaker 1: in close encounters for example, where you used music to

739
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Speaker 1: represent intervals with are then translated to math to a

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00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: type of code and Morse code or what have you.

741
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: You know, you could communicate things that way. Yeah, and

742
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,959
Speaker 1: we know that maybe a computer code could be used

743
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: in a similar way. If we go back to example

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Speaker 1: of one person speaking German, one speaking Russian, uh, and

745
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Speaker 1: they both are using the same sort of code, computer code,

746
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: then it's possible that what they would be doing is

747
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: like communication. But I love that you point out that

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Speaker 1: music has more of an a mode of emotional content,

749
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: because you could. We can hear Peter and the Wolf,

750
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: which is a great example. We can hear in the

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00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: Hall of the Mountain King and get the fact that

752
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: things are going crazy there. But we can't listen to

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00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: an instrumental if we don't know how to tie our

754
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: shoes and expect to teach us how to do that. Right,

755
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: we need words for certain things, well, unless you're using emojis,

756
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: and that's the new language, because it would essentially be

757
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: like hieroglyphics, but digital and universal. Yeah, idiograms, pictograms. That's fascinating. Well,

758
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: what what about this next? What about ruling, passion, faith,

759
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: tradition and all things with tempered reason? There's the R

760
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: word again. I just think that comes back to not

761
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: getting carried away with you know, the paranoias and the

762
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: burdens of our time. You know, we could we could

763
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: probably use that advice where we are right now with

764
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: what's going on politically, and a lot of people are

765
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: very paranoid and concerned. The idea of sort of ruling

766
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Speaker 1: your emotional life with some measured form of reason and

767
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: kind of tamping down your base or instincts to just

768
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Speaker 1: fly off the handle and you know, go to war,

769
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Speaker 1: be it with your neighbor, you know, or on a

770
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: global scale. I just think that it's sort of just

771
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: encouraging people to like think things through and not fly

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00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: off the handle, you know. You know, I took it

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Speaker 1: as an argument against religious extremes m as well as

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Speaker 1: ideological uh. And I was looking at this in Night sixteen.

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00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: There's a clear trend towards secularism in the U S

776
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: and in Western Europe, but in other parts of the

777
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: world there's a clear trend toward what is often called

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00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: extremist ideology, right. Uh. And when I say that, I

779
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: don't mean just one particular faith. I'm talking about different

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Speaker 1: areas of the world. So the amount of people in

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Speaker 1: the U s who say they're absolutely certain God exists

782
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Speaker 1: has dropped from seventy one in two thousand and seven

783
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: to sixty three percent in two thousand fourteen. UH and

784
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: the amount of people who identified as non religious, agnostic

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00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: or atheistic has increased UM and In the US, the

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00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: population of people who believe in in some sort of

787
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Speaker 1: God is UH, far higher than most other developed countries,

788
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: but it's still slowly declining UM from UM over over

789
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: about the same time span UH since the Pew Research

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00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: Center conducted their first religious Landscape study. UM and now

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00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: the religious religiously unaffiliated, which is slightly different than people

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Speaker 1: who say, well, I'm none, I'm not an atheist. I'm

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Speaker 1: not you know, a Catholic or um a shape, a shaker.

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00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: The religiously unaffiliated, the people who don't consider themselves you know, Catholic,

795
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 1: or or Muslim or a Jehovah witness, where an atheist

796
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: at all has increased. People who like that was the

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00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: population called the nuns who just put none in o

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00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 1: n e UH has increased in the current age, which

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00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: is strange. But I I like the way you're looking

800
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: at it more than you know. I think it is

801
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: better for it to be an argument of let's be

802
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: reasonable rather than an argument against religion, which is what

803
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: it could be against religious extremism. But I don't think

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00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: it's against spirituality in general. Well, and it's also the

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00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: the language here is very specific. It says rule, passion, faith,

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00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: tradition and all things that. Well, yeah, the so the

807
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: people that are either in charge of it or you

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00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 1: know in some way that I guess the religious leaders

809
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: like this. It's a direct message to that person. Um.

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00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: That's interesting to me because it feels like, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to I don't want to say patriarchal can control

812
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 1: because it's not you know, specifying any kind of gender

813
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But it just feels like that

814
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: the your leader will control these things with reason or

815
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Speaker 1: make it. It seems like there's a hierarchy, definitely a

816
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: hi how to prioritize of stuff, right, And I think

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00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: that many of the precepts on here are specifically directed

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00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: at government, and then I think some of them can

819
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: be um made more personal as well. You know. I

820
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: think that's what I mean. That's interesting about the language

821
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Speaker 1: of these precepts is that a lot of them are

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00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: clearly advice for setting up a government or for changing

823
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: a government for the better. But a lot of them

824
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: can kind of are twofold where you can sort of

825
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: apply them to your own philosophy, in your own way

826
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: of thinking, just as a human person. Yeah, there's a

827
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: code of Hammurabi kind of thing going on here, which

828
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Speaker 1: is exactly as you said, to establish a civilization, or

829
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Speaker 1: to establish an ideal civilization. Well, what's next? Where are

830
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: we at with the next precept? The next commandment states

831
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: that we should protect people and nations with fair laws

832
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: and just courts. Sounds pretty straightforward, sounds like a good

833
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: idea to me, open ended though it is. Yeah, is it?

834
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Speaker 1: Is it fair? I don't know? Or what? Do you

835
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: look at the words fair and just? I guess definition

836
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: of those isn't that Fox News is tagline fair and

837
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: just now more than ever? Uh? Yeah, it's It's interesting

838
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: because it makes me wonder too if this is similar

839
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Speaker 1: to Asimov's fictional laws of robotics, which are also hierarchical,

840
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: and that the first one establishes everything and the later

841
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: ones build off that. So maybe that's interesting. Yeah, So

842
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: maybe these are put in this order to build like

843
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: you can't do you can't do this one unless you've

844
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Speaker 1: achieved ruling your passion's faith and tradition and all things

845
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Speaker 1: with that temperate reason. Exactly, if you don't have that down,

846
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: then your courts and your laws are gonna be all

847
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: kinds of messed up. Right. Yeah, Let's consider, for example,

848
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Speaker 1: many practitioners of various religions that have a legal system

849
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: encoded in that religion will consider that religions um that

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00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: religion's legal system the only true, fair and just rule

851
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: of law. Even if it's a religion that says destroy nonbelievers,

852
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: that'll they'll just seem like fair and just. But it

853
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 1: doesn't seem so if you're not ruling, you know, tempered

854
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 1: things with reason. And obviously I think the guide Stones

855
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: architects would take exception to that. Now, the United Nations

856
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: existed in the eighties, right when when the guide Since

857
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: were being built, but the International Criminal Court did not

858
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: exist until the Rome Statute in the late nineties and

859
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: only became active in the early two thousands. So we

860
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: could say that if this um, we could say that,

861
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: if we're protecting people and nations, that the International Criminal

862
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: Court is a step forward in that direction. So that's progress. However,

863
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: people's will argue back and forth over whether dear National

864
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 1: Criminal Court a works there's be effective and the US

865
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: is not a signatory and probably never will be. Do

866
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: you feel like some of this is a comment on

867
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: the state of the United Nations and like how to

868
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: make it better, sort of a critique of it not

869
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: being all that it's cracked up to be. I think

870
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: think it's in support of it. Um. I feel like

871
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: it's definitely. I think they see parts of the United

872
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: Nations as a model. I think it's a mix, But

873
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: I don't think they believe in the United Nations specifically.

874
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: They believe in some sort of peaceful global enterprise. Um.

875
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: The word enterprise, for instance, makes you know what they

876
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: believe in. It sounds like a Star Trek world. You

877
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: know how in the world of Star Trek Earth is utopian.

878
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: That's why I'm so on defense about all this eugenic stuff. Mean,

879
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: I read some passages from the book, and there is

880
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: some language in here that is a little bit troubling,

881
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's just not in line

882
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: with so many of the other precepts. So many of

883
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: them seem to be focusing on peace and harmony, and

884
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: you know, being one with nature as we'll get to,

885
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: you know. So, I just I I don't know that

886
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: I believe that Mr Christian was in fact into the

887
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: idea of of killing off a huge percentage of the population.

888
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: I think it was more of a after the bomb's

889
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: false scenario, how do we deal with those that survive?

890
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: How do we create a society that will encourage reason

891
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: over you know, hysteria and paranoia and you know, killing

892
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: your brother to get something better for yourself, that kind

893
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: of thing. And if you want to go dystopian with it,

894
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: then maybe the eugenics at that point, post apocalyptic n

895
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: X would be a matter of survival, right. Maybe there

896
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: are certain um mutations or deficiencies that occur, like exposure

897
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: to long long term exposure intergenerational to radiation may mean

898
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: that only certain people can or should um breed or

899
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: viruses like Zeka, you know, if it, yeah, somehow travels

900
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: through a line, then yeah, that I mean, that's that's

901
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: a really good point. And then also we have to

902
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: think maybe they were writing by committee, you know what

903
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe just like the Founding Fathers had different aims.

904
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: Maybe there was just one guy there who was super

905
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: into eugenics and they said, okay, well you have to

906
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: help us build these stones. We'll put a little in

907
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: there just before we get too far away from the

908
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: International Criminal Court. I don't know if you guys saw

909
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: the news today that Russia withdrew from the International Criminal Court,

910
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: and earlier this year in several African states withdrew from

911
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: the International Criminal Court. It's weird see the International Criminal

912
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:06,439
Speaker 1: Court losing sway with with parts of the world right now. Yeah,

913
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: and that brings us to the next precept, which is

914
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: let all nations rule internally, resolving external disputes in a

915
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: world court. So on paper, we talked about the i

916
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: c C and other international systems that help resolve international issues. However,

917
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: one thing that's not mentioned in the guidestones precepts at

918
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: all is the rise of corporate entities and the fact

919
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: that in numerous situations now, especially with Virginy legislation like

920
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: the t p P Trans Pacific Partnership, what we're seeing

921
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: is that some external corporations are able to affect the

922
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: internal functions of state actors of countries, you know, And

923
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: we don't need to go to court man with the country.

924
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: We'll just have a tribunal, uh, separately on our own.

925
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: It'll be fine. You don't have to worry about it.

926
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: And there's no question that numerous countries since before the

927
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties and then after the nineteen eighties have been

928
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: interfering with the internal functions of other other states. The

929
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: US is an extreme example. The US has interfered legally

930
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: and illegally and in gray areas in multiple countries throughout

931
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: the world. And not to say the US is the

932
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: only person, the only entity doing this. Russia has done

933
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: the same with crimea right in the Ukraine. China has

934
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: famously done the same with the expansion in what's called

935
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: the South China. See basically, the superpowers do it. Yeah,

936
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: the superpowers do it do We live in a world

937
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: where might is right. The architects of the guide stones

938
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: are arguing that we should not, But so far we

939
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: haven't made as much progress on that one. And then

940
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: here's the one that remember earlier we said, uh, we

941
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: said that we don't agree with the idea that these

942
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: are not of a political nature. Absolutely, what what do

943
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: you think with What do you think of this next one?

944
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: It's it's probably the most middle finger precept of the bunch.

945
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: I would say avoid petty laws and useless officials. I

946
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: read that, I thought, what happened. It's like a mic

947
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: drop right there. You know, it feels like it's personal, right,

948
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: like somebody in the committee or whoever came up with

949
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: these didn't like somebody who was either in charge of

950
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: his group that he is with, and he wrote this one.

951
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: I think he wrote it on purpose for one person. Well,

952
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: if we consider Congress a group of officials, then the

953
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: American public certainly ranks them as largely useless. I mean,

954
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: their approval numbers are in the tank. Yeah, I mean,

955
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 1: not to mention petty. I mean it's it's it's all

956
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: of this, you know, back and forth. I'm going to

957
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: block anything that you could possibly want to do, you know,

958
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: if it kills me. I mean, it's not even about grass,

959
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: it's about winning. Yeah, it's about progress of the party,

960
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: not of the country. Yeah, you know what I didn't

961
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: think about that. You're absolutely right, that is petty. And

962
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: what makes a law petty? What makes an official useless? Uh? No,

963
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: I think you had the best answer for that, um,

964
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: But a lot of our listeners are going to have

965
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: very different answers depending on political opinions. That's the point.

966
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: It's another very open ended one here. So this is

967
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: all about like how you look at it and who

968
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: you think is use you know, I mean, and it

969
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: all depends on whether they're doing something for you or

970
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: not a lot of time. And like Matt pointed out

971
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: at the very beginning, Uh, since they are anonymous, we

972
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: don't have a way to contact them and say, hey,

973
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: what's up with that one? Who did you write this about?

974
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: In a specific congress person? And the other one balancing

975
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: personal rights with social duties? The next pre step seems

976
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: like it's an argument for good citizenship. Um, you know, voting, pain,

977
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: taxes and so on. If that's the case, well we

978
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: haven't made that much progress either. Voting rates remain laughably low. Uh.

979
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: The US elected a president who bragged about never paying

980
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: taxes and you know whether you support that, uh that

981
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: president elect or not. Um. It also seems largely legal,

982
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: but it's also completely true. So what is what is

983
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: the conflict between a personal right and a social duty?

984
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: That feels little open ended to me because your social

985
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: duties vary depending upon the community or the or the

986
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: civilization in which you live. To me, though, this is

987
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: almost like a socialist kind of thing, sounding like or

988
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: even you can go as far as saying communists. It's saying,

989
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, for the greater good, I will give up

990
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: my personal rights for the greater good of the community.

991
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: I see, it is my social duty to limit my

992
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: personal freedoms for the greater good. That's just how it

993
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: sounds to me. I don't know about you guy. To me,

994
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: that sounds very star trek, And I know that may

995
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: sound counterintuitive to a lot of people literally needs of

996
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: the many. Well, yeah, but if you think about the

997
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: way the enterprise function, Oh wow, I sound like such

998
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: a dork. Okay, I'm gonna keep going. You think about

999
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: what all of the inhabitants of the enterprise got to do.

1000
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a holidack where you could, I guess,

1001
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: give us let off some steam or something like that.

1002
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: But in the in the interactions amongst all of the

1003
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 1: crew members, you had to be very straightforward, very I

1004
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: mean even keel. Like, nobody is going off the handle,

1005
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: having a fight or getting super super drunk. It just

1006
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: doesn't happen because they're greater duties, your paced, your passion, faith,

1007
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: your tradition, all things with that temperate reason you know,

1008
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: not flying off the handle, keeping it cool and calm

1009
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: and collected. I feel like this is another one that

1010
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: speaks both to a system of government that could impose

1011
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: this kind of thinking on you, and also just to

1012
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: this is just how you should be a a guy, good,

1013
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: good gal, good good human citizen. You know, I think

1014
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: that it can be seen both ways, as as many

1015
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: of these can. We're getting down to it now, guys.

1016
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: I know we've been at this for a minute. This

1017
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: is probably our longest ever episode, but let's soldier forth. Yeah,

1018
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: we just had a few more. This is the This

1019
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: is the most open ended prize, truth, beauty, love, seeking,

1020
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: harmony with the infinite? Who has the closest me that

1021
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: is the closest thing to God in this entire affair,

1022
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: because it's it's It's made a lot of effort to

1023
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: be very secular, as we talked about, it really does.

1024
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: Even in that letter I read from Mr Christian, he

1025
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: talks about how they purposely left out any specific mention

1026
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: of a religion of a god, and none is there.

1027
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: And you know, um, I know atheists that still think

1028
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: about the idea of the universe or the idea of

1029
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: the something some force that moves through things. That is

1030
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: sort of what one might consider calling God. And and

1031
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: and this is the reference there, I think when seeking

1032
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: harmony with the infinite. Yeah, it seems like it's an

1033
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: argument of some sort of secular, meditative approach to being

1034
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: self aware of your place in the universe. Right, how

1035
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 1: could you be mad about that? It would be my

1036
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: my response. But it brings us to speaking of harmony

1037
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: the infinite. The very last one and one of the

1038
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,959
Speaker 1: most important, and I would say crucial for our time.

1039
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: Be not a cancer on the earth. Leave room for nature,

1040
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: Leave room for nature. Yeah, twice, says it, twice in

1041
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: a row. There, it's the last one. Yeah. Um, I

1042
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: gotta say this. This one hits home for me a

1043
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: little bit. I think maybe I listened to too much

1044
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, uh, at least back in the day, like

1045
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve Joe Rogan where he discusses flying in

1046
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: a plane over cities as opposed to flying over natural areas,

1047
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: wooded areas, mountain ranges, stuff like that. And I'm paraphrasing

1048
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: Rogan here, but he's just saying, which one of those

1049
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: looks like a tumor when you're that high up and

1050
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: you're looking down on the Earth itself if you imagine

1051
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: it as a living being. The tumor is the city

1052
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: with all this jagged, nasty metal shooting up out of it.

1053
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: And then you've got streams and water running over here

1054
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: with these with plants and animals running around and all that.

1055
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel that, I feel that, I

1056
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: feel like we may be really bad for this planet

1057
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: as a species. Well, you know, the Earth is uh,

1058
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:46,719
Speaker 1: the Earth is definitely in the age of man, the anthroposyne. Uh.

1059
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: The Earth was covered by approximately fourteen point eight billion

1060
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: acres of forest about eight thousand years ago. Has a

1061
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: repercussion of human exploitation. Only about eight point six billion

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Speaker 1: remain in the highest rates of DeForest. The sition occurred

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Speaker 1: during the last fifty years from nineteen to Brazil alone

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Speaker 1: lost over ninety one million acres of rainforest um During

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Speaker 1: the time of the Guide Stones construction, Earth was already

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Speaker 1: undergoing what is called a global mass extinction, and it

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Speaker 1: continues today at a break neck pace. And this is

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Speaker 1: not a what is it. This is not like a

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Speaker 1: Sierra Club uh pea score green piece lecture. This is

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Speaker 1: just these are facts, but that kind of thinking was

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Speaker 1: very popular in nineteen seventy nine and nineteen eighty. You know,

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Speaker 1: this idea of conservation I remember, you know, recycle, reduced

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Speaker 1: reuse um. I mean, this was in the early nineties,

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Speaker 1: even for me. But I think a lot of that

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Speaker 1: stuff began around that time, and it was kind of

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Speaker 1: sort of entering the public consciousness a little more than

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Speaker 1: it had. People were accepting that maybe all this industrialization

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Speaker 1: isn't the best thing in the whole world, you know,

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Speaker 1: especially with how unevenly it has occurred in parts of

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Speaker 1: the world. And then furthermore, sometimes people reject an environmentalist

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Speaker 1: argument out of hand, which is clearly this is an

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Speaker 1: environmentalist argument. The last part leave room for nature. However,

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Speaker 1: there's another bent that a lot of people don't consider,

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Speaker 1: which is the biotechnological part human beings. The more we

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Speaker 1: are learning as scientists and as inventors, the more we

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01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: are learning about the natural world, the more we are

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Speaker 1: learning that our best technology just imitates a concept that

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Speaker 1: already exists there. So when things go extinct, or when

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Speaker 1: systems become corrupt or defunct or they don't function, what

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Speaker 1: we are losing is the best functioning technology on the planet.

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Speaker 1: And it is not within our capability to replace it

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Speaker 1: after a certain point. So if someone is bothered by

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01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: if someone's like the rainforest is abstract, that doesn't matter.

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01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: That doesn't affect the price of breakfast, cereal or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Don't think of it that way. Think of it as

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Speaker 1: a computer, but that a computer that you can't fix,

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01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 1: a machine that you can't create enough replacement parts for.

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Speaker 1: Think of that breaking and think of it more like, um,

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Speaker 1: the way you would think of being on a boat

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Speaker 1: in the open water and the engine is slowly breaking

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Speaker 1: down and the whole is disintegrating, and you start to

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Speaker 1: realize that you can swim for a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: not forever. I mean, at our best, at the height

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Speaker 1: of you know, the human races intellect and ability to innovate,

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Speaker 1: Have we even really come close to matching a system

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Speaker 1: like the rainforest or you know, like the way weather works.

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Speaker 1: Have we figured out how to harness that? No, not

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Speaker 1: even close, you know? And I think that's that's a

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01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: that's pretty forward thinking, um of the creators of this

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Speaker 1: monument to put that in Uh, And it's true right now,

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Speaker 1: I think than than ever and now we can we

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Speaker 1: can say that the time of the recording. Uh, the

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Speaker 1: guide stones still exists. They're except for the drive there.

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Speaker 1: Once you get there is very easy to access. There's

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Speaker 1: no there's no one who will stop you from They

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01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: are monitored. There are cameras and those were only put

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Speaker 1: up after so many attempts to tear the things down

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Speaker 1: and vandalize them. And I think they are periodically still

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Speaker 1: you know, hit with with spray paint and things like that,

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Speaker 1: but they are very quickly repaired. Someone's actively funds, actively

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Speaker 1: funding them and monitoring them. But you know, you're not

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Speaker 1: being watched per se, you know. I mean, it's you

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Speaker 1: can go there and just enjoy them. It's a very

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Speaker 1: peaceful place just out on this field, just a very

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Speaker 1: small narrow state road. You just hear the occasional sound

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Speaker 1: of a car are whistling past, and it's an interesting

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01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: place to go and just kind of collect your thoughts

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Speaker 1: and um, it's been a lot of fun talking about

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Speaker 1: it with you guys, that's for sure. Well. It's also

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Speaker 1: actively visited still. When we were there, several families came

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01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: with children to explore it and look at it and

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Speaker 1: go through it, but not a ton right there for

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Speaker 1: a while, and there were maybe you know two or

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Speaker 1: three other people that came. No, there were I think

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Speaker 1: I counted eight the second day that we were in

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Speaker 1: there groups is what I mean. I guess I got

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01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: that came together, you know. So it's not like you

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Speaker 1: go and it's just teeming with people. But you can

1139
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Speaker 1: check out our other podcasts. You can check out our

1140
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 1: video component of this coming out soon. Uh. You can

1141
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Speaker 1: find every podcast that we've ever done on our website

1142
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: Stuff they Don't want you to Know dot Com. You

1143
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: can find some of our Facebook and Twitter adventures that

1144
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: might even relate to this, I think, uh, in our

1145
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: in our pages on those sites where we are conspiracy stuff.

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01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,480
Speaker 1: We're also on the Instagram's well we're on one Instagram

1147
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 1: It's Conspiracy Stuff show. And we know this episode is

1148
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,799
Speaker 1: has no all pointed out, probably the longest single episode

1149
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: we've ever done. But we hope that you enjoyed this

1150
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: look at the look at the guidestones in depth and

1151
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,759
Speaker 1: on behalf of it. Not to speak too much for us, Matt,

1152
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: but on behalf of the other two parts of the show,

1153
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for giving us and giving

1154
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: the audience such a um, such an unheard of look

1155
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Speaker 1: behind the screen of the official story regarding the Georgia guidestones. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the one point that I didn't even mentioned is um.

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01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: And if you guys are interested in anybody wants to

1158
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: see the little documentary and may be glad to shoot

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01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 1: out a link, I'm at exist um. But Mr Martin

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01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: gave me all of the documents that he had that

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01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 1: he basically just wanted to unburden himself with this thing,

1162
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: so he gave me everything that he had that didn't

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01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: point to Mr Christian's true identity and everything else we

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01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 1: destroyed you wait, you destroyed? Well, he did, and I

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01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: filmed it what and that's actually in the film if

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01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: you want to see it spoiler alert, but it's I

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Speaker 1: think it's important to know that he's the only one

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01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: that knows he is not going to be around for

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Speaker 1: too much longer. He has passed away. Robert Christian, he did,

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Speaker 1: he didn't. He did say that much. He was he

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Speaker 1: was called by his daughter. Oh another thing to just

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Speaker 1: want to mention the last thing, Uh, this was a

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Speaker 1: family affair. Mr Mr Martin did tell me that much

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Speaker 1: that this was this group. He represented that many of

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Speaker 1: them were his family members using what Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: like that, We're ending with a tinge of intrigue, a

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Speaker 1: tinge of mystery. If you have something that you think

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Speaker 1: your fellow listeners should know about the Georgia guidestones, please

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Speaker 1: write to Noel and Matt and I and let us know.

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Speaker 1: have had a couple of doozies of episodes, this one

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Speaker 1: being particularly one. Um, but we are collecting some really

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Speaker 1: great letters from you, folks, and we are gonna be

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