WEBVTT - Listener Mail: Warlocks in the Sky 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.280 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:10.480 My Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:14.200 your Mind. Listener mail. My name is Robert Lamb and 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:16.720 my name is Joe McCormick. Again, It's Monday, the day 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:18.720 of the week that we read back some messages you've 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:22.599 sent into the show account. Recently, I've been trying to 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:25.279 remember to say the email address towards the beginning of 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:29.000 these episodes lately. It is contact at Stuff to Blow 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:31.319 your Mind dot com. If you want to get in 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:34.120 touch show with feedback on any episodes we do. If 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:36.240 you just want to tell us something interesting, if you 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.519 want to ask a question, whatever you want, you know 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.640 you can write in just to say hi. It's contact 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:46.640 at Stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. Rob If 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:48.680 you don't mind, I'm going to start off with this 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:52.839 message from Lurch, which relates to several episodes. Yeah, Lurch 0:00:52.920 --> 0:01:01.400 it up, Lurch says, good warning, gentlemen, allow me to 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:05.480 start by flogging a dead lamb, referring back to the 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:10.120 vegetable lamb of tartary. Wow, we have really been getting 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.039 some stragglers on this one. That's been going on for 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:15.200 months now. Yeah, this is not sometimes you can you 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.800 know an episode is going to generate a certain amount 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:22.480 of feedback. Some uh, some don't actually come through like 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:24.840 you expect they will, and something like the vegetable lamb 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:28.120 of Tartary just continue to pull in the listener contents, 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.240 which which I love. I love being surprised like that. 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:32.800 I think I've noticed a pattern that the definitely we 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.520 get the most email in response to any episode that 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.759 offers listeners a chance to tell us about their dreams, 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:43.160 not like their hopes and dreams, but their nighttime, sleepy dreams. Yeah. 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.640 I guess that's what y'all are like. Okay, anyway, Lurch 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.200 goes on to say, referring referring back to the vegetable 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.600 lamb of Tartary, I was struck by the apparent fact 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.960 I may be misremembering that the earliest references to the 0:01:56.120 --> 0:02:00.720 lamb slash gourd were as food. Knowing how and thoughtful 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:03.480 humans are to strangers, it seems quite possible that a 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:07.200 traveler was once offered baked lamb in a gourd as 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.079 a feast provided by some host as a joke. Of 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:15.239 such things are history made? Well, that's that's an interesting 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.760 point I have had in the past, when I was 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.160 more of a meat eater, I did have meat in 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.720 a pumpkin ones, So such a dishes do exist. It's 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.359 been so long I forgot what the earliest accounts, where 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:30.960 was it, Sir John Mandeville? And didn't he but I 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.320 think he said like it it was a fully formed 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.520 little lamb. Yeah, you have these different versions of it, right, 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:41.000 complicated are the roots of the vegetable lamb of tartary? Okay, 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.200 Lurch goes on to say, I'm just glad it didn't 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.360 catch on. Speaking of cooking, let me now turn my 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.880 attention to cauldron's I'm positive I'm not the first to 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.760 float this hypothesis, so I'm rather surprised it wasn't given 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.840 at least a passing mention. In the episodes, several times 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.320 you guys mentioned that cauldrons have been found hidden deliberately 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:04.079 placed in relatively secure locations, such as bogs. I've never 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.520 thought of a bog as a secure location. But okay, yeah, 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.600 it's a solid investment. Always invest in bogs. Yes, yeah, 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.760 I can't lose, Lurch says. Relatively speaking, I'd suggest that 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.320 cauldrons were expensive back in the day, and of course 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.320 they're still pretty heavy. Uh yeah. Of course this goes 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.160 along with something we talked about in one of the 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:27.840 later Cauldron episodes about that paper, arguing that cauldron's had 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:31.640 social significance because they were sort of something that would 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.800 be used, probably not in preparing normal everyday meals, but 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:38.400 for preparing communal meals. So if you had a cauldron, 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.440 that was kind of like showing off your your wealth 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:45.880 and community significance and your power to uh to assert 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:50.680 social dominance by hosting feasts. But springboarding off the idea 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.960 that cauldrons are expensive, Lurch says, if a horde of 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.560 rampaging outsiders were threatening your home, but you couldn't flee 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.600 with your valuables, what would you do what everybody else 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.480 in that situation is done throughout history, Hide the good 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.600 china and the hope that it will still be there 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:09.040 when you return if you return. Of course, if you don't, 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.200 you still want to deny the good stuff to the 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.000 bad guys. Okay, so I think I understand Lurch is 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:17.000 suggesting that somebody may have just hidden a cauldron in 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:21.080 the bog for safe keeping, rather than intentionally depositing it 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.039 there as a sacrifice to the gods, as has often 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:28.640 been assumed. Yeah, it's an interesting hypothesis. It's my understanding 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.520 that the historians are are going on more than just 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.159 the finding of cauldrons in bogs. I mean, we have 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.839 other things that have been entered there, such as bodies 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.279 and so forth, that there there seems to be a 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:45.680 strong understanding that these were sacred places, that they were 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:49.440 maybe considered you a place between. Right, you might find 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.680 bodies in the bog that are not just anybody, but 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.360 somebody who looks pretty strongly like a case of human 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:59.880 sacrifice or something like that. Okay. Uh. Finally, Lurch said, 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.560 I turned my attention to weird house in particular Planet 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.359 of the Vampires, one of my all time favorite movies. 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.359 During your commentary, Joe mentioned that he loves a good uniform. 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.120 I think we both said that I quite agree. Let 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:16.839 me share my favorite, the uniforms of the Technocrats in 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:20.680 Things to Come. What puts these uniforms at the top 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.719 of the list is the absolutely over the top helmet. 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.640 In my opinion, these are the best cinematic uniforms ever made. 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.200 Robbi included some pictures for you to look at. We 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.839 can come back and uh and address these in a bit, 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.640 but just to finish lurches message. On a side note, 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:37.560 near the end of the movie is a set that 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.640 leaves me in stitches every time I watch. They're preparing 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.799 to use a huge gun to fire people into space 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.440 to the moon. Aside from the fact that this idea 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.800 cannot work, why is there a site on the end 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.359 of the barrel? Thank you for helping the miles go 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:56.400 by more quickly, lurch. Okay, so I guess we should 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.880 briefly introduce the idea of Things to Come. This this 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.880 movie from the thirties. I believe I talked about it 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.640 in the previous Listener mail episode that I did by 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.640 myself while you were out of town once. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:10.760 this is um this is one of those films. I've 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.400 never actually seen it, but I'm familiar with it, and 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:16.279 of course I've been admiring this space suit for for ages. 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.839 Things to Come n six widely regarded as a sci 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:23.240 fi classic, and what one that Michael Weldon actually had 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.560 of the psychotronic film Guides lists as one of his 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.840 top ten films of the nineteen thirties. This one's also 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.640 notable because H. G. Wells adapted his own novel for 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.719 the screen in this one, and I believe this is 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.800 the only time that he did this. Uh so, Yeah, 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.480 these space suits are pretty great. They have basically imagine 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:44.960 a traditional space suit, and there's a lot of same 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:49.320 noess in space suit designs and science fiction. Now imagine 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:54.000 one that has enough room for your head to grow 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:58.000 in size by what uh and the three sizes are more. 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.560 Or one that has enough room for the most outrageous 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:05.760 hairstyle imaginable. If you ever played Golden I for the 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.960 Nintendo sixty four and you use the cheat known as 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.720 d K mode, where it would turn all the characters 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:15.000 into Donkey Kong with giant heads and arms. This is 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:19.440 a space suit made for for DK mode people. Yeah, yeah, 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:23.200 it's but the thing is so yes, you can when 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:27.320 you describe it like this, it sounds ridiculous. It does 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.640 look a little ridiculous, but it also looks really cool 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.840 in a way that's hard to really drive home. Wine. 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:34.880 I think part of it is that it just does 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.520 look so different, and therefore it feels like a product 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.240 of a of a of a different age. Yeah, I agree. 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:45.520 I love a big, very sort of globular helmet like this. 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.880 You know, I always love the helmets in Alien, like 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.320 in the Alien franchise, because they're kind of oh, you know, 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:56.000 they're like a big glass ball on the front. Yeah, yeah, 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.560 those are those are solid helmets for sure. Now coming 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.080 back to what Lurch says, a out the space gun 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:05.320 that's gonna send people into orbit in the movie. Yeah, 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.960 I never noticed this before, but it is true. The 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.800 barrel of this giant guns, this is not something that 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.400 would be held by a human. It's like building sized. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.600 It has an iron sight at the end of the barrel, 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.880 like somebody's going to be looking down it aim. Yeah, 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.240 I believe. Weldon also said in his summary of the 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:23.880 city that he thinks like it's it's one of those 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.240 films you can really only compare it to Metropolis, like 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.080 he in terms of the scope of it. And I 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.360 guess the end of the time period of science fiction involved. 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:39.760 All right. We also heard back from some folks on 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.800 our Vault episode about Numerouscy. This one comes to us 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.320 from Anna, Hello, Robert, Joe, and Steath. I enjoyed your 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.520 recent Vault episode on Numerousy and whether it is innate 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:52.760 or learned. I was wondering how this relates to time 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:56.960 as a small child, you conceptualized time differently, Like when 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.280 you were told you can play for fifteen minutes, that 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:01.640 doesn't really have much meaning. You just stopped playing when 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.400 your mom says it's dinner time. But you do have 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.760 an idea of time passing. Rob's story about his son 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.240 reminds me of something that happened to my niece, Mim. 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:14.199 She was staying with my parents, Granny and granddad. To 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:18.239 her and my brother, her father had taken the opportunity 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.560 to go to the shops child free. Nim and Granny 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.000 were playing out front of the house. Mim asked when 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.360 will Daddy be home. Granny said, Daddy will be home soon, 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.080 and with the absolute confidence of a four year old, 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:35.120 Nim said, but it's soon. Now hard to argue with 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.920 that smiley face. I really enjoy all the content you 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.000 put out, and I love the way you presented. Keep 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.240 up the good work. That's great. And so the first 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.920 paragraph here about like being told you can play for 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.640 fifteen minutes as a child and that not really having meaning, 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.360 I think it's absolutely squares with my memories of childhood, 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:56.120 where time being given time periods up to a certain 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:59.280 point was very mysterious to me, and at a certain point, 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:03.000 I re remember deciding, like when I was asking on 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.640 a car trip how much time was left. Essentially, if 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.760 I was told anything less than an hour, I knew 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:11.880 that we would be there immediately. It's like, oh, okay, 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.840 we're pretty much there. And anything more than an hour, 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:18.120 I knew it would be forever. Yeah, I mean, it's 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.840 a it's it's a it's a timeless question, especially for children. 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:31.360 How soon as soon? How soon is now? All right? 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.400 Here's another one about our numerous the episodes. This is 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.480 from Andrea. Andrea says, Hi, Robert and Joe, I've been 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.800 listening to the show for at least four years, but 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.160 I've never written in until now. Your vault episode discussing 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.679 whether animals have been number since reminded me of a 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:49.760 cat we had years ago who was both very very 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:53.240 smart and very very strange. When she was a kitten, 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.439 one of her favorite pastimes was to go to the basement, 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.400 pick up a strip of rag that we had torn 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:03.480 up for staking tomato plants, carry it up the stairs 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:07.440 in her mouth, deposited on the kitchen floor, then return 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.760 to the basement for the next one. If, however, to 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:14.080 mess with her we removed rag number six while she 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.679 was down getting number seven. She would notice immediately when 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.720 she returned to become very upset and search for it 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:24.679 while me owing accusingly at us. We surmised from this 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:28.480 that she could indeed count I'm open to other explanations though. 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.800 Oh and then Andrea has some other comments about enjoying 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.360 listening to our show as as one drifts off to sleep. 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.160 But either way, yes, so we we we fully support 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:41.000 that usage as well. Um so so, Yeah, I think 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.080 this is an interesting story about the cat. Rob Have 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.560 you ever seen anything like this? Uh? No, but I 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.000 I absolutely have no reason to doubt that this cat 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:52.480 has a full range of numerousy. I mean, I can't 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:56.160 make any other hypothesis that could possibly explain this. This 0:11:56.240 --> 0:12:00.360 cat has the maths. This cat will prove the Rimond conjecture. No, 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:02.960 I seriously though, I yeah, I don't even I really 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:04.760 don't even know what to make of this. I would, 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.760 I would seriously guess that the cat does not have 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.840 any kind of a number sense. Um, that there's some 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:14.400 other reason for one rag rather than the other rag, 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.360 but that it has nothing to do with the numbers 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.800 that are printed on there. Yeah, it's been a while 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.680 since we did the episode, so now I'm afraid it's 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:23.720 you know, we we talked about these things, and sometimes 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.040 they sort of partially leave my head, or sometimes more 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:29.599 than partially. I think it was that, you know that. 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:33.160 I think the conclusion was that a lot of animals 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.840 seem to have maybe a sense of numerousy for a 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.800 few numbers, like like one to three or so, but 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.680 after that, differences get get kind of lost. Like you 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.880 wouldn't expect a non human animal to tell the difference 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:50.480 between six and seven, does that quantity? Yeah, like here's 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.880 six cat treats, here's seven cat treats. Um. Yeah, my 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:55.880 if my memory is correct on this, yeah, it means 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.000 that the cat probably can't tell the difference between those 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.040 quantities where it could tell the difference between say two 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:05.120 and seven, and in terms of the numbers six and seven, 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.200 absolutely not, unless I mean, they would have to be 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:14.160 some other factors involved, something sent related or I don't 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.840 even know if the sound related. It could be possible, 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.080 I guess if there was something attached to the uh 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:23.240 to to the strips um. Yeah, I don't know. There 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.320 have to be some other elements in play here. The 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:28.240 closest studn seed to that is my dog knows that 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.600 he gets too dog treats after dinner, and if he 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.360 just gets one, he knows that he has owed another 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:36.520 one he doesn't forget. But I don't know if he 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:41.160 were to get seven after dinner, he might just lose track. Yeah, well, 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:45.040 you're gonna have to test tonight. It's um, it's seven treats, 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:47.160 and then keep that up for a little bit and 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.120 then bring him down to six and see if he complains. 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.040 All right, you want to do some of these messages 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.679 about sky bridges. Yeah, this is one where I knew 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.079 we would to hear from from folks on these, and 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:05.080 I was not disappointed. This one comes to us from Jeff. 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.840 Jeff says, Hi, Robert and Joe. I just finished listening 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.400 through the first and second episode on sky bridges, and 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.400 I've got a few thoughts. I grew up and currently 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:17.040 live in Winnipeg, Manitoba, which regularly gets colder than negative 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.400 forty degrees celsius for days or weeks at a time 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.360 during the winter, and often gets warmer than thirty degrees 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.920 celsius in the summertime. As a result, our entire downtown 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:29.120 is basically connected by various sky bridges, underground tunnels, and 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.720 covered arcades, making quite simple to get from a person's 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.520 house then to work, and including a chance to walk 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.680 around underground tunnels to do some additional shopping on your 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.720 lunch break in the underground mall. I lived in a 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:45.000 high rise for a few years, and navigating indoors to 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.280 get to concerts, restaurants, and even my grocery shopping was 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:51.080 quite simple if I wanted to avoid it the elements. 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.040 I also used to work at the University of Manitoba, 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.840 which is almost entirely connected by underground tunnels, so that 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:58.920 in the extreme cold, it is easy for students and 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.440 staff to get from building to building. A benefit to 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:05.640 having this protected connectivity that often goes overlooked is the 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:10.120 increased accessibility for people with mobility concerns, especially in a 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:13.280 city like Winnipeg that gets tremendous snow when ice builds 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.600 up throughout the year, and navigating with assistance devices and 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:20.320 bulky clothes can be quite difficult and cumbersome. I could 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.360 talk about the subject for hours, so I will end 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.800 it there, but I appreciate what you do. Keep up 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:29.120 the good work. Jeff Great points Jeff. Yeah, yeah, but 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:31.840 first on you know, a cold city or a city 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:35.080 that is often cold, and then the mobility issues that's 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:43.440 that's that's a big concern. Along the same lines with 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:48.120 the with the relationship between skybridge density and weather, we 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:52.320 got a message from Kenya. Kenya says, hello, I'm surprised 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:56.840 you focus so much on Atlanta instead of Minneapolis or St. Paul, 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:01.080 which have intricate mazes of skywalks connecting a good number 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.000 of buildings downtown. I went to St. Paul and a 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.800 work trip in the dead of winter. Our team stayed 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.640 at a hotel that wasn't on the Skyway, while the 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.200 client team stayed in a hotel that was connected to 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:15.640 the Skyway. I remember them showing up without their coats 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.560 while we were freezing. They forgot to tell us about 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.600 this on subsequent days. Walking to the work site from 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.320 our hotel, we walked to the closest building on the 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.760 Skyway and snaked our way through buildings to get to work. 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:31.400 Food convenience stores, a post office, and everything you could 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.280 need were in that maze. I would also love for 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.160 you guys to talk about underground tunnels that work the 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:41.160 way that skywalks do. At at one point in the 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:45.200 Crystal City part of Arlington, Virginia, there was no foot traffic. 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.760 Everything was underground. The Crystal City Underground isn't what it 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.120 used to be. At one time it had an arcade 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.920 in a movie theater. Now it just contained some lunch 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.960 spots in a theater while connecting several buildings to the 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.240 metro station. I've always thought it dark and day, but 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.880 it's a similar concept, just without sunlight. Toronto has a 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:08.840 similar underground tunnel system. Your show is always a good listen, Kenya, Well, 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.560 thank you, Kenya. Um Well, it's the first on the 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:15.720 Atlanta point. I mean, first of all, we are in Atlanta, 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:17.359 so it is kind of what's kind of neat to 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.760 focus a little bit on our home city here. But 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:24.639 also I found that some of the social elements in 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.520 play and some of the social criticism of of of 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:31.800 sky bridges in these in some of these connected walkways, 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.960 they're a little more pronounced here in Atlanta versus a 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:40.800 city that has extreme cold weather going on. But still 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.560 I'm very much enjoying these examples that are coming to 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.480 us from northern cities. And as for tunnels, so I 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:51.199 mean don't don't tempt us. Uh, we'd we'd love to 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.040 do some episodes on tunnels in the future. I'm always 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:59.520 fascinated by subterranean passageways um for humans, for for trains 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:04.399 full of humans, for non human entities as well. So yeah, 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.199 that I think we could we could easily explore that 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.720 in the future. I I rob, I would say, you 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.760 have chronic tunnel bug in the brain. You you are 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.440 will never pass up a chance to talk about tunnels. 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:17.960 I'd I love a tunnel, and we have a feeling, 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.200 we have a we have some. We have some tunnels 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:24.119 here in Atlanta, though we're not nearly as underground a 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.760 city as as as many others. I mean, so's the 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.800 best examples are certainly far from here. But even then, 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:31.520 I love I love it when I'm in like a 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:39.520 train tunnel here in Atlanta on our Marta system. Alright, 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.560 one last message about sky bridges. This is from Pat. 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:46.919 Pat says, very interesting episodes, Thanks ever so much. I 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:51.120 was reminded of a not so spectacular example in Brooklyn. 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.640 When I was a boy, I loved visiting the Abraham 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:57.560 Strausse department store on Fulton Street in downtown Brooklyn. The 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.760 development and history of department stores is a cool subject. 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.960 This wonderful old store had many departments and an annex 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.680 building with availability of products not found in other department 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.800 stores in the sixties. At this one story, you could 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:16.360 buy quote underdrawers and I'm not sure I understand the 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:18.960 the accent being portrayed in this uh in this quote 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.840 underdrawers and the machine to wash them in One reached 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:25.800 the annex through a sky bridge. I loved this entrance 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.399 and I never missed the opportunity. You talked briefly about 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:33.399 roofs over cities. I read long ago about an idea 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:37.400 about creating a second level in Manhattan. The lower level 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:41.359 would be traffic only, the upper level would be pedestrian only. Sure, 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.960 there would be a dark underground, but this is not 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.880 a living space. It's a way of securing pedestrians from 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.480 the perils of vehicular traffic. Do keep up the fun work, 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.879 pat Well. That last point is very much in keeping 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:57.119 with some of the you know, the reasons behind creating 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:59.600 the sky bridges. Yeah, and and some of these sort 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:04.080 of fantas aastic architectural solutions like let's get the people 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:07.000 away from the from the vehicular traffic. Well, let's create 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.479 a safe barrier between the two. By the way, speaking 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.159 of Brooklyn, UM, I know I've mentioned this on the 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.200 show before, but if anyone out there, if you find 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:18.600 yourself in New York in Brooklyn as a tourist, or 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:19.960 maybe you just live there and you haven't checked this 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.080 out for yourself, the New York Transit Museum is excellent. Uh. 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:27.040 It is in an old um subway station, and so 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.840 you get to check out these examples of older cars 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:33.560 with the older style advertisements on them on the train 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:42.840 tracks themselves in an actual subway station. All right, And 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:45.280 here's one more, and uh, this is I guess this is. 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:47.120 This is not really a direct response to a Weird 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:48.919 House so much, but it's kind of in keeping with 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:51.320 the stuff we talked about on Weird House. Uh, this 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:55.440 is a response to recent discussions of local TV horror hosts. 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:59.000 And uh, who does this? Who's this coming out? We're 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.600 not I was trying to I'm not sure what name 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:04.760 this guy wanted us to use, so we'll skip the name. 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:09.600 I guess. Okay, from somebody here comes some listener mail. 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:14.320 All I grew up on Sanny Terry hosting horror films 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:16.560 in the seventies and some of the eighties. The picks 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:18.760 on the wiki page don't do him justice. So I 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:21.480 have attached a picture for your viewing pleasure, enjoying the 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:24.600 show and encouraging you to keep up the good work. Uh, 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:26.399 and there's uh you know what we have what we 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.800 have your Joe, We have some pictures of Samuel Terry 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:33.360 and we were you shared some video footage with me earlier. Well, 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:37.040 so this picture is a screen grab I took that. 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:40.920 This listener attached some other links in the in the email. 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:45.440 But Sammy Terry, if you're not getting it yet, that's 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:50.920 a that is a pun name, like cemetery. But when 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:53.560 I was like, okay, I'm not familiar. Sammy Terry was 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:58.960 an Indianapolis area local TV horror host. You can look 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.360 up it's there's clips of him on YouTube. The one 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:04.960 I watched was an intro to some movie. I don't 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:08.200 know what movie he was going into, but he gave 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:12.600 the most bizarre monologue about how, um, let's see like 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.680 you could be running from a madman, and then while 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:19.160