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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Every day up waiting, click your ass up. The Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 2: You don't finished for y'all done more thing everybody.

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Speaker 3: It's the j Envy Jess, Hilariy Schela mean the guy

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Speaker 3: we are the breakfast Club.

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Speaker 2: Laila Roses here as well. We got a special guest

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Speaker 2: in the building. You got the good brother, lukra what's up? Brother,

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Speaker 2: was handing? Man? How you feeling, man, I'm good man.

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Speaker 2: It's good to be here with y'all.

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Speaker 4: Good to see you, brother. I was in the reconstruction man,

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Speaker 4: and I told him earlier. I said, if if Lucre

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Speaker 4: wasn't a quote unquote Christian rapper, they.

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Speaker 1: Would have to put this in rap album of the

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Speaker 1: Year category.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's big.

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Speaker 4: I truly believe that that's big. This is a phenomenal

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Speaker 4: body of work.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Man, Like, yeah, man, I mean, you know.

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Speaker 5: You live what you live with you you you know. However,

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Speaker 5: how they meet you is how they see you. So

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Speaker 5: it's like they met me in the four walls of

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Speaker 5: the church, so you know that's the box. But I'm

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Speaker 5: a product of hip hop, so you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: It's all love. But I appreciate that. That means a lot.

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Speaker 1: Bro absolutely that.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 3: I want to start off with diving into the album.

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Speaker 3: First of all, how long wanted to take you to

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Speaker 3: do this album? Because this album is you could tell

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Speaker 3: you you took a lot into doing this album. I

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Speaker 3: mean even to the beat selection and it sounds like

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Speaker 3: a movie you ain't dropping.

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Speaker 5: A few years, right, Yeah, I ain't put out an

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Speaker 5: album album in a minute. Yeah, it took me a while.

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Speaker 5: I just you know, we pieced it together. You know

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Speaker 5: what I'm saying, We pieced it together. I was real

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Speaker 5: meticulous and just like, you know what I mean, let me,

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Speaker 5: let me really like push the boundaries and stretch stuff out.

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Speaker 5: I was giving s one.

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Speaker 2: Aheadache, you know what I'm saying, Like, hey, can you

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Speaker 2: add a little bit? Can you tweak this? Can you

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Speaker 2: me a little while, but it was worth it. Man.

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Speaker 2: People rush music these days.

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Speaker 5: Man, they just make like disposable music, and I just

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Speaker 5: I just felt like it's time out for Audy.

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Speaker 3: Are you tired of being put in that box that

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Speaker 3: that you're I don't want to say people don't take

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Speaker 3: you serious, but they look at you a certain way

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Speaker 3: where they should just look at you as an artist,

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Speaker 3: a hip hop artist.

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Speaker 2: I would appreciate it. I would appreciate if they listen.

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Speaker 5: You call me what you want to call me, hip

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Speaker 5: hop artists, but listen. Yeah, just listen to the music.

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Speaker 2: I don't care what you if you want to call

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Speaker 5: Gospel rapper, Christian rapper, Listen, that's it. Because I think

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Speaker 5: there's a misnom where people get it twisted and they

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Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. I'm still scarred from Like I

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Speaker 5: went to an NBA practice and like handed a But

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Speaker 5: when I did my first church closed mixtape and I

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Speaker 2: He was like, I don't listen to no gospel rap.

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Speaker 2: I was like, bruh, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: You probably had a horrible season that season.

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Speaker 2: Listen. I'm not gonna mention that.

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Speaker 1: Like when somebody give you a Jesus pamphlet in the

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Speaker 6: It, you can't throw it. You gotta give it to

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Speaker 6: somebody else you can throw it out. Yeah, man, So

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Speaker 6: I don't I don't like that. I don't like that

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Speaker 6: people say it's corny. I'm like, bro, you got I

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Speaker 6: don't know where you even got this, Like when's the

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Speaker 2: This idea of it. So you know, as long as

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Speaker 7: When I listened to it, it was my first time

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Speaker 7: listening to one of your full projects. I definitely expected

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Speaker 7: something different because of the name Reconstruction. Oh yeah, especially

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Speaker 1: And he just said it wouldn't be that.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I'm just saying like it just happens naturally.

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Speaker 7: So I thought reconstruction gospel rap artists. I thought it

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Speaker 7: but alter call is it wasn't that.

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Speaker 8: It was more about your story, right, Why the name

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Speaker 8: reconstruction A.

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Speaker 2: Lot of different reasons.

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Speaker 5: So reconstruction is like it's a theme, it's thematic for

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Speaker 5: my life and what I've experienced. But it's also just

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Speaker 5: the eraror we living in. We dispose people, we throw

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Speaker 5: And it was like social media was excited to destroy them,

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Speaker 5: like tear them down.

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Speaker 1: They was wrong.

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Speaker 2: For a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 5: First of all, anyway, I'm not even gonna get in

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Speaker 5: a while, they was wrong. But I mean, first of all, bro,

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Speaker 2: Like being bowed up hugged up like that in public.

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Speaker 5: But the way social media was excited to destroy them

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Speaker 5: was is like that's what we get excited about. In

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Speaker 5: Mahamie Mike d he was tearing a part of a

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Speaker 5: treehouse in his backyard and he was doing it piece

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Speaker 5: want to just demolish it, because he wants to reuse

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Speaker 5: that would And that's what I feel like reconstructions about

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Speaker 5: it is like, God don't just want to destroy people.

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Speaker 5: He wants to reconstruct and reuse them. I work in

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Speaker 5: prisons all the time. I was in a prison not

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Speaker 5: and I don't condone none of the stuff he did.

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Speaker 5: You know, he did some hainous things. They whooped him,

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Speaker 5: they beat him up when he first got there. But

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Speaker 5: over the course of his years there, like he's been influential,

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Speaker 2: Lives, He's done a lot.

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Speaker 5: And how long do we got to like be looked

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Speaker 2: So that's kind of why I did reconstruction.

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Speaker 5: The second reason why is because you know, the reconstruction

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Speaker 2: So it's like both both pieces.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've heard you also speak about deconstructing your

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Speaker 1: So what did you discover about God?

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Speaker 4: I guess when you script away religion that made you

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Speaker 4: want to do a reconstruction.

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Speaker 2: I got.

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Speaker 5: I caught a lot of flak from the Evangelical church

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Speaker 5: when when when black bodies were being laid in the street,

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Speaker 5: and I was very open about it, and uh, and

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Speaker 2: So I was ready to throw it all away.

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Speaker 5: I went to Egypt and I got to see like

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: I got to read about Ethiopia and see how Christianity

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Speaker 5: was not started in America.

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Speaker 2: It's not this white man's religion.

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Speaker 5: It's something that existed outside of the European narrative. And

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Speaker 5: but I'm just saying, they don't they It's a lot

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Speaker 5: of things have been co opted. It's not like this

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Speaker 5: European religion. So I had to tear down these like

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Speaker 5: American ideas of what God is, what church is, and

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Speaker 5: reconstruct from the perspective that the Bible really gives.

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Speaker 2: It, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: So it's kind of like eating mom's spaghetti, Like if

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Speaker 5: you got the recipe from two twenty five years ago,

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Speaker 5: and now you're leaving out stuff that ain't the same recipe.

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Speaker 5: And I feel like the faith, so much stuff has

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Speaker 5: the foundation. Jesus is my foundation and let's rebuild this

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Speaker 2: And that's what what reconstruction looks like.

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Speaker 4: You know, in the first track, you talk about being

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Speaker 4: just having a conversation with my good sister Debbie Brown

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Speaker 1: Church, right, Like, what is church heard to you?

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Speaker 5: Church heard is you know when the people that you

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Speaker 5: But it happens everywhere, right, every It's not just in

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Speaker 5: And I think the problem is we blame God and

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Speaker 5: it ain't. That's not a God hurt.

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Speaker 2: That's the people hurt.

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Speaker 5: People let you down, God didn't, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: So I think people turning back on church because of that.

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Speaker 5: And I you know, for me, man, I love I

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Speaker 5: you know, I ain't getting sponsored by Chipotle, but I

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Speaker 5: love Chipotle.

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Speaker 2: They're good, but certain Chipotle's they don't be seasoning that food. Right.

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Speaker 2: It don't make me say I hate Chipotle. I'll never

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Speaker 5: I may not go to that one or I may

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Speaker 5: So I think that's what people do with God and

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Speaker 5: with church, like oh, they had a terrible experience. I'm

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Speaker 5: done with God. My mom, you know, she grew up

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Speaker 5: in a religious world like that, she was done. She

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Speaker 5: didn't raise me in church because she was like, they

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Speaker 2: So I get it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for people that don't know, you know, you said

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Speaker 3: your mom didn't raise you in church, So how did

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Speaker 3: you become? And you've talked about a million one time, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but how did you become the way that you become

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Speaker 3: if you weren't raised in church Because people to automatically

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Speaker 3: assume or he must have been born in church.

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Speaker 2: He was on church on Tuesdays or Wednesdays.

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Speaker 3: He did this on Thursday he did Bible study like so,

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Speaker 3: so to break that.

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Speaker 2: Down, I was a straight hippie. My mom was a hippie.

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Speaker 2: She had a Buddha in the room.

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Speaker 5: the universe everything. She was just a wild hippie. So

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Speaker 5: that's how I grew up. And then I just was searching.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna just meditate, you know what I'm saying. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. It was like, how

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Speaker 2: Press? Like for the Kingdom? It was like I was,

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Speaker 5: So he was like, I mean I grew up in church,

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Speaker 2: And I was like, all right. I was like, well

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Speaker 5: He took my number down, and then I was like

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Speaker 5: he walked away when and I said, hey, man, you

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Speaker 2: I really crashing out like an idiot. You know who

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Speaker 2: was like, I know who you are, nigga. You know

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Speaker 5: It like just nervous, not knowing who to be, not

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Speaker 5: really like you, like you was saying, I don't trip

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Speaker 4: Since then, I ain't to me if I was I'm

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Speaker 4: you drunk as hell. He couldn't tell though, if you're

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Speaker 4: I deserved that one?

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Speaker 1: Y'all haven't spoke at all. I wonder what he thinks

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Speaker 2: I don't know, bro, I don't know. It was bad, crazy.

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Speaker 4: He one morning he was up here at the radio station,

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Speaker 4: And he we went, we put the station on all

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Speaker 1: He came up to us, spoke not nice as hell,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, he was nice as heaven. And he came

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Speaker 2: Didn even say hello, that's what I did.

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Speaker 1: It's the same story.

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Speaker 2: Like that's what you did. You said it was awkward

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Speaker 1: Talking about that?

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Speaker 7: Let's take a minute there, legends, can we talk about

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Speaker 2: That's that's such religious trauma. That's like, yeah, my brother.

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Speaker 5: That's coy Oh. Yeah, that's that's cult action. And I

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a cult. I have to say

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Speaker 2: I mean, you don't mean it.

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Speaker 4: I got to say because my mom, somebody's going to

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Speaker 4: But I understand what you're saying, because man, when you're

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Speaker 5: Religion, religion is the term religion. I mean Biblically, religion

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Speaker 5: in a lot of way. It's like religion to me

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Speaker 5: is if you love your wife, you come home with

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Speaker 2: That's religious relationship.

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Speaker 5: Is I was thinking about you all day, baby, I

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Speaker 5: I don't even know if I got a relationship with God, Like,

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Speaker 5: why would I want to be connected to a God

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Speaker 7: How do you raise kids in religion then, because I

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Speaker 7: I mean, you don't have that right because you said

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Speaker 7: so are you raising your kids in religion and how

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Speaker 5: Then?

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Speaker 1: In relationship?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I mean.

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Speaker 5: I don't like, Hey, kids, I'm bringing we're going to

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Speaker 5: for you because I've met God. I don't My daughter's

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Speaker 5: I'm like I don't want to force nothing on y'all.

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Speaker 5: Y'all gonna have to make this decision for yourself. This

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Speaker 5: I've had hard convos with my oldest son, who was like,

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00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,080
Speaker 5: I don't know if I believe this is would I

445
00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:26,680
Speaker 5: be a Muslim if I done live in this house?

446
00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,520
Speaker 5: And we have those dialogues, and I love those, like, yeah,

447
00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,520
Speaker 5: let's go there. Let's have these conversations so that he

448
00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,359
Speaker 5: can but I want him to see the consistency of

449
00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,760
Speaker 5: my life. He's like, nah, Dad, Like he talks about

450
00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,159
Speaker 5: the fruit of the spirit, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness,

451
00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,000
Speaker 5: gentle and self control, but then he lives it.

452
00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:43,919
Speaker 2: He apologizes when he mess up because I.

453
00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,919
Speaker 5: Just passed, but then I come back and like he

454
00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,400
Speaker 5: sees that I have a relationship with God and for him,

455
00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,639
Speaker 5: he's made that decision on his own as well. But

456
00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,119
Speaker 5: it's like, I'm not saying you better, I'm saying this

457
00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:57,720
Speaker 5: is what I feel like is the healthiest way.

458
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Speaker 4: That's why I don't like the holdest fellowship at the

459
00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,880
Speaker 4: Kingdom Hall. You know, that's actually what turned me off

460
00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,199
Speaker 4: to it. Whether I whether I realized that or not.

461
00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,000
Speaker 4: But as I got older, I realized the reason I

462
00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,879
Speaker 4: was turned off to it is when watching my father

463
00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,560
Speaker 4: get this fellowship. The father needed help in that moment.

464
00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,600
Speaker 4: He was with substance abuse issues. Yeah, you know this

465
00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,639
Speaker 4: fellowship of man for that, and then they make you

466
00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,280
Speaker 4: come to the Kingdom Hall, but nobody speaks to you,

467
00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,879
Speaker 4: and they announced to the whole congregation.

468
00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,640
Speaker 1: Such and such has been this fellowship from the Kingdom.

469
00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, but your pops is in there and

470
00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,399
Speaker 1: they just cancel them might dinner from everybody.

471
00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,480
Speaker 4: Nobody talks like they don't talk to you when you're

472
00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:32,720
Speaker 4: fellow and how you supposed to heal?

473
00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,760
Speaker 5: I see what I'm saying, Like crazy, that's what I'm saying,

474
00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,680
Speaker 5: Like like I don't get that. I was just when

475
00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,639
Speaker 5: I was walking down the street yesterday, a dude on

476
00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,199
Speaker 5: the block passed me the flyer and then he was

477
00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,280
Speaker 5: like a street preacher and he ended up being a

478
00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:46,639
Speaker 5: dope one. But a lot of times my issue with

479
00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,879
Speaker 5: street preachers too is just like, bro, you yelling at people,

480
00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,800
Speaker 5: you condemning people like you don't even know their names.

481
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,679
Speaker 5: I got the one dude ran upon me as I

482
00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,120
Speaker 5: was leaving a wu Tang concert and he was.

483
00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,359
Speaker 2: Like, look right, what are you doing here? I was like,

484
00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,239
Speaker 2: enjoying some music, you know what I'm saying, Like you know?

485
00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,440
Speaker 2: But then he was blasting me and blasting people around him.

486
00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,240
Speaker 5: So I walked up to this table and I'm like, bro,

487
00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:09,800
Speaker 5: he was in an argument with another dude, and I said, yo,

488
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,679
Speaker 5: my man, what's your name? And the dude he was

489
00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,480
Speaker 5: arguing with told me his name. I said, where you're from?

490
00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,600
Speaker 5: You told me where he's from. I said, word, man,

491
00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,720
Speaker 5: you want to get together sometime, maybe get coffee and

492
00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:19,639
Speaker 5: talk about what you believe.

493
00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,640
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm down. I said, how.

494
00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,560
Speaker 5: About you try that my guy, instead of yelling at

495
00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:24,760
Speaker 5: him and telling him he's going to hell?

496
00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:25,920
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

497
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,880
Speaker 5: But it's like, that's the stuff I don't I can't

498
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,440
Speaker 5: fool with. Like it's like, there ain't no relationship in that.

499
00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,240
Speaker 4: How do you maintain faith in a culture like hip

500
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,959
Speaker 4: hop that often monetizes your trauma?

501
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:37,680
Speaker 1: But resistion?

502
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,720
Speaker 2: Woo, that's a that's a that's a deep one right there. Bro.

503
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:48,119
Speaker 2: I think I think there's irresponsibility. I get it.

504
00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,000
Speaker 5: You a young dude off the block. This is an

505
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,240
Speaker 5: opportunity for you to get a check. The industry, the

506
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,720
Speaker 5: powers that be say hey, tell that story five more

507
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 5: times and you're gonna get more checks. And you don't

508
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,440
Speaker 5: know an enough about who you are, your own identity,

509
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 5: your value, your self worth to even understand.

510
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,680
Speaker 2: Like I'm being like, you.

511
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:12,080
Speaker 5: Know, used, But I don't think that's how hip hop started.

512
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,199
Speaker 5: That wasn't the the the how it initiated. It was

513
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 5: us as grits in the community telling what was going

514
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 5: on around us, not like trying to like capitalize off

515
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,000
Speaker 5: artists trauma, porn, you know what I'm saying. So I

516
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,640
Speaker 5: don't like that, and so that's why I do bring

517
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 5: the healing side. That's why even when I collaborate with

518
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,120
Speaker 5: other artists, like you know, and I did a song

519
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 5: with Walker back in the day, and I was like,

520
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 5: let's talk about the other side of the game. Everybody

521
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 5: talks about selling drugs, but no one talks about the

522
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 5: like I done sold drugs, You done sold drugs, but

523
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,959
Speaker 5: no one talks about the trauma that come with that.

524
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 2: The what's it like sitting.

525
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,760
Speaker 5: Behind you know, a cell, what's it like seeing my

526
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 5: daddy is you know, was a crack addict for it

527
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,880
Speaker 5: for years and just to see that reality and live

528
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:55,679
Speaker 5: live under that.

529
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

530
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 5: So it's like, let's talk about the trauma of that

531
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 5: and in the healing aspect of it is I'm walking

532
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 5: and breathing as a healed individual.

533
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 2: You know.

534
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 5: I think people want me to be perfect so many

535
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,119
Speaker 5: times without understanding where I came from, what I came through,

536
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 5: and it's like, we'll be perfect, and I'm like, look,

537
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 5: I'm not as bad as you think I am. But

538
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 5: I'm not as good as you think I am either.

539
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 5: I'm a human being in the middle trying to walk

540
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 5: this thing out as best I can.

541
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, dang, that was Yeah, people in church on talk

542
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 7: like that. I like what you and Tim Ross do

543
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 7: a whole lot because of that. But I guess one

544
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 7: of my questions, and maybe I'll stop asking you faith

545
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 7: based questions, is at what point when so you grew

546
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 7: up in this household where your mom is not pressing

547
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 7: you to do any right and then you find God

548
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 7: through your own journey, at what point do you because

549
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 7: you've said you hate the church.

550
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 8: You said it on this album.

551
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 2: I said I hated, hated, hated, Yes, so what makes.

552
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 8: You bring people?

553
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 7: Because when people find God, they go find a physical church,

554
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 7: and a lot of times they can't separate the two, right,

555
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 7: what makes you bring people to a physical church to

556
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 7: expose them to what might become a.

557
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 5: Church is Yeah, I love the church. I love the church.

558
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 5: The big sea. The people who love God all around

559
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 5: the world is global. It's not American. The models that

560
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 5: we see for church are generally like sometimes it's an

561
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 5: industrial complex. Sometimes it's a system. The work still get done.

562
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 5: Like sometimes it's like I get it. It's like it's

563
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 5: an infrastructure. It's a system. There's lights, and there's cameras,

564
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 5: and there's these things, like it's an oratorial speech being

565
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 5: given in music, it's a Broadway production, I get it.

566
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 5: That's not what church is. That is a expression from

567
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 5: the people who love God. But what church is is

568
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 5: a gathering of God's people who come together to you know,

569
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 5: as a community, to live out, to celebrate God, to

570
00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 5: navigate their lifestyle. So some of the other things that

571
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 5: get built up that we call church, you know, shout

572
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 5: out to my guy Carl Lenz and yeah, you know,

573
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 5: he was a part of that complex, you know what

574
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 5: I'm saying.

575
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Speaker 2: And it's like they're made the pastors are made out

576
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 2: to be gurrules. None of them are Gur rules. They

577
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: giraffes on ice skates. They don't got it.

578
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 5: They don't got it figured out, you know. But everyone

579
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 5: sees them as gurus. So when they fall aslip, they

580
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 5: should be responsible. But they've been propped up to be

581
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 5: these gurrules, and it's like, bro, they fooling themselves thinking

582
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 5: they got it all together. So I don't hate the church.

583
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 5: I love the church. The expressions we see a lot

584
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 5: of times in America, I think are silly, you know

585
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, But I navigate him and I.

586
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,719
Speaker 2: Deal with them because that's where we are as a culture.

587
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. It's like it's like hip hop.

588
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 5: It's like, I know what hip hop used to look like.

589
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 5: I know it looks like now. I think some stuff

590
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 5: is silly. I think having to make a TikTok go

591
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 5: viral for people to enjoy your song is silly.

592
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: But it's where we are. So I'm not just down

593
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 2: in it. I'm like, not stupid y'all, dumb y'all. It's like,

594
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: it's where we are.

595
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 4: I love Call for the same reason I love a

596
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 4: lot of your music is because y'all are not afraid

597
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 4: to show people that you made mistakes. Y'all not afraid

598
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 4: to show people that you flawed. Y'all not afraid to

599
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 4: show people that you still wrestle with the same things.

600
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 4: We all wrestle with, the insecurities, Like I love on

601
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 4: to die for the party When you started off, he said,

602
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 4: I was wrestling, like should I write a verse? The

603
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 4: culture got enough cloud chasing bultures out here trying to

604
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 4: prove they work.

605
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: They need attention.

606
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 4: They can't imagine me not trying to make myself look

607
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 4: bigger off of this Kendrick Mintion.

608
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: Like when you hear you rap that, I can hear

609
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: you wrestling with write man, you know what I mean? Like,

610
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 1: but he did shout me out.

611
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 5: I mean, I can't just let this go by s

612
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 5: see man, I was telling you right, DOT will throw

613
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 5: you a He'll throw you a layup.

614
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: And it's like, do I dunk this or not? Because

615
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: because I don't, especially for him, because he got so

616
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 2: many cloud chasers, he got so many just so for me.

617
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 5: For for Kendrick to for not to mention me in

618
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 5: the song and say, I wonder what La Cray would

619
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 5: do that first of all, you're paying homage to like

620
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 5: my lifestyle, my processing. It's not like he's a good craze,

621
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 5: a good rapper. He's saying, I wonder what cra would

622
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 5: do in this, yeah, this circumstance. And for me, it's

623
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 5: like I didn't want to say nothing my homie at

624
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 5: He was like, you need to respond.

625
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: I said, nah, Bro, I ain't. That's lame, like eyes nasty.

626
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: It just feels nasty. He was like, Bro, the world

627
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 2: is watching, the world is listening. The man said your name.

628
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: Asked you a question.

629
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: He did ask me a question, and so I was like, ah,

630
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: I try.

631
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 5: And I really didn't even like it when I was

632
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 5: writing it. And then I see I didn't even like it,

633
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 5: and it just you know, So I sent out the

634
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 5: whole album and.

635
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: I said, you pick a song. Man, I'm waiting. I

636
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: ain't hurt nothing back.

637
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: So I.

638
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 4: Love the last line on it. You said, you said

639
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 4: love his patience. So I'm trusting in the narrative. And

640
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 4: christ ain't watched the party die. He died in status

641
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 4: of it.

642
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: What does that mean?

643
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 5: Basically, like you know on the song he was saying

644
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 5: his on his song, you know, watch the party die?

645
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 5: It's kind of like it's like, man, y'all, he sees

646
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 5: the dysfunction and he's like, ugh, you know what I mean,

647
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 5: And we all see the dysfunction, and we all like,

648
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 5: but if we really want to end all the evil

649
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 5: that exists out there, that means we gonna die too,

650
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 5: you know, because there's evil that exists in here. So

651
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 5: you got to be also mad at yourself. And Jesus

652
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 5: didn't sit back and say, yeah, y'all are disgusting. He said,

653
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna take that disgust on myself.

654
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

655
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 5: I'm gonna lay my life down and let y'all walk

656
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 5: across my back to cleanliness and to wholeness. Instead of

657
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 5: condemning y'all, I'm gonna reach my hand out.

658
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: To save y'all.

659
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 5: So that was the picture, was pain instead of just

660
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 5: being condemning. Because when you see something that you hate,

661
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 5: you're like, but then you gotta look in the mirror

662
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 5: sometimes and be like, and if I want it all.

663
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: To go, I gotta go with it. So Jesus is like, yes, whack,

664
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: but I'm I'll take your ugliness on me, you know

665
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: what I mean.

666
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 7: So because Kendrick said, f these words up or showing

667
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 7: what prayer do. So you showing him what prayer do empathy.

668
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 8: That's how I got it. I said that earlier he

669
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,239
Speaker 8: was like, I ain't hear that. That wasn't right.

670
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: Well, what Kendrick said, that is what I said.

671
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 7: I said.

672
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 8: What I said was from what I took from your verse.

673
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 7: You decided or you you self reflected, and you said

674
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 7: I can't watch the party die because if the party

675
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 7: had died, I would have died too.

676
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 8: Because that is what I said.

677
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 7: I said, because you felt like you were a part

678
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 7: of what people are saying is disgusting. At one point

679
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 7: you had to find your mission. Literally what I said,

680
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 7: and you said, I didn't hear that.

681
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: She heard you say that eloquently.

682
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 7: Basically, that's what I took from it. He said something else,

683
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 7: but we're gonna let him ride.

684
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: But I do have a question.

685
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know record with Killer Mike and t I crazy.

686
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: Do you get people when you ask people for like

687
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 3: you send your album to cat out or you send

688
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 3: songs to other artists? Do you a lot of times

689
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 3: do artists not want to do it because they put

690
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 3: you in that box? Do they question themselves because.

691
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 5: You they won't say that, They've never said it overtly.

692
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 5: I'm sure that's an issue for people. I've never heard it.

693
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 5: When people get to know me, there's a level of respect.

694
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 5: So like me and Mike go years back, like killing

695
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 5: Mike and our good friends. You know what I'm saying,

696
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 5: Like that's my dog. But I mean we've had some

697
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 5: some conversations. You know, obviously we don't agree on everything,

698
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 5: but he respects me and I respect him, and so

699
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 5: it's like this mutual respect where it's like.

700
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: I see where you at and I'm gonna come on

701
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: your playing field and rock with you.

702
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: There.

703
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: There might be some other people who like, now, why

704
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: would we do something?

705
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: Now?

706
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: Why would I fool with him?

707
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 5: They ain't never said it to me, but I'll be

708
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 5: feeling like in my experience, people people closet they faith

709
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 5: and they look for outlets to express it, and then

710
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 5: I give them the outlet a lot of times like

711
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 5: they like I want to like I remember when I mean,

712
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 5: I don't know about faith wise, but I know twenty

713
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 5: one Savage has said some somewhere along the line like

714
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 5: he wish he didn't have to rap about the stuff

715
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 5: he rap about all the time, and it's like, that's

716
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 5: what people expect of them. And I'm like, I think

717
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 5: there's a lot of people who feel like that in

718
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 5: the faith world. And it's like, yes, this gave me

719
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 5: a chance to say, well, what I really wanted to say,

720
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? So, but yeah, I don't know, man,

721
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 5: they if they if that's how they feel, that's how

722
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 5: they feel.

723
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 4: I think people like that have never listened to your music.

724
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 4: When I listen to Headphones, that's not a gospel record, that's.

725
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: Not a faith based record. That's a record about grief, yep.

726
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 4: And there's three brothers that are dealing with various levels

727
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 4: of grief and different people that they're grieving, and they're

728
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 4: just expressing that. And even that same what you say

729
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 4: that I hope you got headphones and heaven? Yeah, oh man, Honestly,

730
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 4: it just gave me chills, Like damn, that's a dope

731
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 4: way of saying, y'all, I hope that d.

732
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: Can't hear me.

733
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: Yep, That's exactly what it is. That's exactly what it is.

734
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: I try to find common ground. That's what I try

735
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: to do. Where's our common ground?

736
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 5: Cause, like the Reconstruction album is not just like reconstructing

737
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 5: your faith, reconstruct your marriage, reconstruct your life, reconstruct your

738
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 5: finances like there's common ground. I may have a different

739
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 5: angle on, but I'm still living the same life you

740
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 5: live in, Like I'm still out here experiencing it. Like

741
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 5: I'm gonna lose people. You're gonna lose people. I'm gonna

742
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 5: deal with family issues. You're gonna deal with family issues.

743
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 5: So I'm like, let's talk about it in song. And

744
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 5: you know, I catch a lot of flak, Like, man,

745
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 5: I love my dude, big krit Man. When we did

746
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 5: a feature years ago, they blacked my Christian The religious folks,

747
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 5: the religious fans blasted him so bad. It made him

748
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 5: feel they was blasting me, saying, how dare you collaborate

749
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 5: with this like worldly artist. It made him feel a

750
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 5: way about Christians because they was on my head and

751
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 5: he was like, am I this filthy, ugly, nasty person

752
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 5: like dang? And I'm like, man, why would you not

753
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 5: want to welcome somebody into the conversation about these things?

754
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 5: You want to shun them and push them away instead

755
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 5: of welcoming men.

756
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: To have conversations. So I want to reconstruct that.

757
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 5: I want to like reconstruct that type of dynamic in

758
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 5: relationship and redefine people's experience with Christians, because I think

759
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 5: it's it's a weird dynamic, you know what I'm saying,

760
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 5: It's just really weird in America.

761
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 8: Has that worked for you?

762
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 7: I saw your response to Young Thug when he tweeted,

763
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 7: if you're a rapper and you're a rat, you've got

764
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 7: to just go gospel twenty. You try to reach out

765
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 7: and kind of give him that like, Hey, it's good

766
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 7: over here. It's not a grave yard. It's a garden.

767
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 5: Have y'all spoke, Nah, but I'm down, Like Thug, holler

768
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 5: at me. I mean, it's not a graveyard, it's a garden.

769
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 5: Were thriving, were growing, I got health, I got My

770
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 5: life comes with the same hardship as anybody else's. Like,

771
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 5: you won't get wisdom without suffering, so you gonna suffer.

772
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 5: But I don't be worried about noe, you know, warrants,

773
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. I go home to my

774
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 5: wife on a regular basis, I'm raising my kids. We

775
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 5: have great relationship dynamic. Like I got accolades, I got awards.

776
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 5: That's not what I do it for I pay my

777
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 5: bills on time. I'm fine, I'm not in a graveyard.

778
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 5: And I guess to me, I'm like, why do rats

779
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 5: have to go to gospel? Like?

780
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: What is?

781
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 5: To me?

782
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: It sounds like that's a lame place for lane? The

783
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: lane we send the lanes over there. And I'm like, okay,

784
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: I mean in a sense, you're right, because Jesus makes

785
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: the lame walk.

786
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 5: You know.

787
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 4: They used to do that too, whenever like an artist

788
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 4: would get in trouble, like an artist would get in

789
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 4: trouble to.

790
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: Be like he got a gospel right.

791
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean yeah, I've seen that in my own

792
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 5: I've seen artists get in trouble in my phone, you ring, Hey,

793
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 5: you need to make a song?

794
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: Cut it out.

795
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: I'm dead serious.

796
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: I ain't even no names.

797
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: I ain't names.

798
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 4: I love the Brick by Brick record too, because when

799
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 4: I saw it, I'm like, what look about to do

800
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 4: with this one?

801
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

802
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: What was the mindset with that.

803
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: Brick by brick?

804
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying is really just a song

805
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 5: about building. Man, if you're gonna reconstruct something, you do

806
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 5: a brick by brick, You know what I'm.

807
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: Saying, if you played it out like it might have

808
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: been dope.

809
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 5: I mean, yes, but you know what I'm saying, it's

810
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 5: a play on words. It's a double entendre. It's also

811
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 5: tapping into my you know, old ways. But then it's

812
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 5: like it's a different types of brick, you know what

813
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 5: I'm saying.

814
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: And I'm moving these days.

815
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 5: And then I got this young spit of Miso, you

816
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. She out of Houston, and she five,

817
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 5: and I was like, yo, that's another thing. It's a

818
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 5: whole young crop of the you know, young cropper of

819
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 5: artists who killing it. And it's like, man, I'm just

820
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 5: trying to shine some light as an og. Now I'm like,

821
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 5: let me shine some light back on these young artists

822
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 5: and let them do their thing. Because when I first

823
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 5: came up, it was just me and I was like, man,

824
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 5: it's just me out here. You know, I'm doing the

825
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 5: BT cipher. Them jokers put me in an international cipher.

826
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 5: They didn't even know what category.

827
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: To put me in, you know what I'm saying.

828
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 5: So I'm like, well, I don't know what. So now

829
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 5: it's like, nah, I'm not rolling solo no more. I'm

830
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 5: letting it I'm opening the doors for everybody.

831
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 4: He was in the street selling dope. And I know

832
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 4: you probably used to pray in but you can God

833
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 4: bless me? Can God really bless the trap?

834
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: He did?

835
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 2: You ain't.

836
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 5: I don't know if you heard my Bible story, bro.

837
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 5: I literally I was making a run. I'm trespassing on

838
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 5: school property. I was wild and I was at a

839
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 5: high school on school property. They say, called the police.

840
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 5: I thought I looked like a high school student, so

841
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 5: but I could didn't I was. They called the police.

842
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 5: The police came. I'm ditching. I'm running about the school.

843
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 5: I get back to my car. As soon as I

844
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 5: get to my car with work in my car, the

845
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 5: police snatched me up. And I didn't have a lot,

846
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 5: and that was no keys. I wouldn't know, you know,

847
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 5: I wouldn't jay z out here, you know what I'm saying.

848
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 5: But I'm not trying to put his business out here.

849
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 5: I'm just saying I wouldn't pushing uh. But uh, but

850
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 5: the police come and they snatched me up. Now, the

851
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 5: crazy part about it was I had a Bible in

852
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 5: my car that my grandmother had given me, and I

853
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 5: was at.

854
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: This point, I'm a Christian but I'm just wilding. I'm

855
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: just on a downward trajectory.

856
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 5: But I was reading my Bible a lot, and I

857
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 5: had some phases where I highlighted a lot of stuff.

858
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 5: I got notes in that joint. I got it on

859
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 5: a dash. The police officer comes in my he I'm

860
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 5: sitting in the back of the car. He come searched

861
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 5: my car and he come back. He said, that's your Bible.

862
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 5: I said, yeah, that's my Bible. He said, you've been

863
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 5: reading that Huh. I said, yes, sir, I need to

864
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 5: read it more. He said, I want you to stay

865
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 5: in that Bible. Get out of my car. And I

866
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 5: was like, okay, I go back to my car. Work gone,

867
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 5: work is gone.

868
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: Wow. I don't know if that was an angel or

869
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: real police officer. I don't know what. I don't ask

870
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: no questions. I'm here though. Wow, you know what I'm saying.

871
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 4: So when you're writing, how do you discern between what's

872
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 4: meant for, like I guess the booth and it what's

873
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 4: meant for, like the prayer closet.

874
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 5: For me, if it exposes somebody else's business, I try

875
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 5: not to rap about it unless I get their approval,

876
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 5: you know, because I tell a lot of stories, and

877
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 5: I got a lot of people involved in different stuff,

878
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 5: and you know, if it's too personal, if they like, hey,

879
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 5: you're telling my story now, bro, then I'm like, you're right.

880
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 5: I respect that. So then I try to respect that myself.

881
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 5: I don't mind being transparent, you know what I'm saying.

882
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 5: And shout out to my man, Jason Wilson, I say,

883
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 5: y'all had him on the pot too.

884
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: Jason.

885
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 5: He my dude, he said, man, he said, stop saying

886
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 5: be vulnerable, be transparent.

887
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I was like, that's good.

888
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 5: So you know, I don't want to put myself in

889
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 5: a position where I'm my hands is up and you

890
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 5: can do whatever you want to do to me. But

891
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 5: I want to be open and transparent so that you

892
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 5: can relate. You can see my scars, because if you

893
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 5: see my scars, then you know your wounds can heal.

894
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 5: So I don't mind sharing some of the stuff that

895
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 5: I got, but I just try to keep other people's

896
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 5: business out of it. I take that to the prayer closet,

897
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.

898
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: So what does it mean to be in the world right?

899
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: Not of it? But your job as an MC is

900
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: the move crowds in the world.

901
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you be in it. You know what

902
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I was of it for a season. I

903
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: have my season. I talk about it on my you

904
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 2: know I had. I've been. I've been like sober, like

905
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: eight years I've been.

906
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 5: You know, it's people don't understand this industry will get

907
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 5: you like they don't get it, like fame is fake,

908
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 5: it's a drug, it's not real. But boy, when you

909
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 5: you know, ten years ago I had a number one

910
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 5: album in the country, like over everybody, everybody calling my phone,

911
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 5: all my favorite artists. You get gassed. You start like,

912
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 5: oh man, I'm somebody, and you forget you. It was

913
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 5: already somebody. God God knew you before any of these

914
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 5: other people did. So I was in my you know,

915
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 5: I got absorbed, and what ended up happening for me

916
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 5: is I wasn't I was not in the world and

917
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 5: I was of it. But I was trying to fight it,

918
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 5: and I was trying to play tug of war. It

919
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 5: wasn't like I just gave up. It was like I

920
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 5: have moments I dip in, dip out. So you can't

921
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 5: play tuggle war by yourself. You know what I'm saying.

922
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 5: So now I'm out here, I'm more confident in who

923
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 5: I am. I keep people with me and I want

924
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 5: to relate, you know what I'm saying. I'm also not

925
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 5: tempted by the same stuff. And I think a lot

926
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 5: of times.

927
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 2: People will be like, why are you over there? I'm like, bro,

928
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: that that's so ten years ago.

929
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 5: Like I ain't that don't do nothing for me, you

930
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like, I am not tempted BYuT

931
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 5: half of the things that used to be a temptation.

932
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: Like I'm just I'm past that phase of life. I'm

933
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: sure you are. If you was to blaze up right now,

934
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be like, oh God, what do I do?

935
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 2: What do I do? Do I take it or not?

936
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 2: I just be like I'm not smoking, you know what

937
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

938
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 8: So you say you keep people with you?

939
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is it?

940
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 7: Because sometimes too, when people get into like the spiritual

941
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 7: realm of like having this relationship with God, they separate

942
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 7: from anybody that doesn't is not at the same place

943
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 7: in the journey.

944
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 8: So who are the people that you keep it with you?

945
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 4: No?

946
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 5: I keep I keep two types of people, or really

947
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 5: three types of people with me, I keep I keep

948
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 5: people who are a half a step ahead of me.

949
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 5: People are walking alongside of me, and people are half

950
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 5: a step behind me.

951
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

952
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 5: So if you half a step ahead of me, I

953
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 5: can learn something from me. You know, I feel like

954
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 5: Jason Wilson half a step ahead of me. I'm like, man,

955
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 5: I can learn something from Jason three or four, you

956
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So I keep people like that

957
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 5: around me, people who have a step, who walking along

958
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 5: side of me, like yeah, you we on the same page,

959
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 5: on the same mission.

960
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: And people who have a step.

961
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 5: I gotta keep young, young, young hitters with me all

962
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 5: the time because I want them to see learn, grow, build,

963
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying.

964
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 2: So, and you got to know you can learn from

965
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: anybody as well.

966
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 5: So that's what I try to expose them to, is

967
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 5: like I want the youngins to see I'm not like starstruck.

968
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 5: I want the people who next to me to get

969
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 5: exposed as well, because I'm like, I'm sitting.

970
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: In here with Entrepreneur podcasts guru.

971
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 5: It's like I can sit and learn from them, and

972
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 5: I want my peers to have access to that and

973
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 5: be able to technoledge as well, you know what I mean.

974
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, I love what.

975
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 4: You're doing, man, because I feel like there's a lot

976
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 4: of people turning away from like traditional faith structures and

977
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 4: they're looking for God and other things. And I think

978
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 4: it's the artists in the pastors because I give pastors

979
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 4: to you know, pastor Saturday robbing is so much credit.

980
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: It's the past is like that that are meeting people

981
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: where they are.

982
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 2: Fact.

983
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: You know that's going to really give give, reintroduce hope,

984
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: yep to a generation.

985
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 5: I'm one hundred percent with it. And I mean, you know,

986
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 5: some are gonna be non traditional, some gonna be trad.

987
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 5: You just got to run in your lane, you know,

988
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 5: I run in my lane. I love different people who

989
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 5: got different applications. And it's not me against anybody else,

990
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 5: you know, it's me. I ain't trying to compete with you.

991
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 5: I'm trying to eat with you, you know what I mean.

992
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 5: So who, I want to see the church thrive. I

993
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 5: want to see people like find God and really be consistent.

994
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 5: And you know I got to be consistent number one.

995
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 5: But then too, I just I know everybody. I know

996
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 5: what I needed. I needed a group of dudes from

997
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 5: Philly with baggy pants and corn rolls to say I

998
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 5: love the Lord, and I was like, word, I needed that.

999
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I did. I would you

1000
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: would have never got me with the traditional you know,

1001
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: come on in son and meet the Lord. I would

1002
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: have never came. So I just try to be what

1003
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 2: I needed that.

1004
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: What did Kendrick say when you heard die for the Party?

1005
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1006
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 5: Honestly, I ain't talked to dot like one on one

1007
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 5: in a minute we talked. We got some of the

1008
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 5: same friends. So the last thing I heard was Yo,

1009
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 5: they rocking with it.

1010
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 2: And and they was. He was.

1011
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 5: He was in the middle of doing Super Bowl stuff,

1012
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 5: so you know what I'm saying. So it was like

1013
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 5: one of them type of situations. But I did send

1014
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 5: him the whole project, and I was, you know, I

1015
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 5: put on him and like, redo the album. If you

1016
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 5: send that verse in.

1017
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: You know, I don't care, just pick one, but die

1018
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 2: for the Party would be hard, because yeah, it'd be hard.

1019
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm with it.

1020
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: Let's get into H two. Oh I feel you?

1021
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: Okay? All right? It tapped in.

1022
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: What you want to hear? I want to play the

1023
00:41:58,840 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: joint with t I N play.

1024
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 2: Let's play here, let's.

1025
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 3: Get into it. We appreciate you for joining us. The

1026
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 3: album comes out on the twenty second of August. Am

1027
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 3: I right, yes, August twenty second Reconstruction, get it.

1028
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: I would love to have you at the mental Wealth

1029
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: Text Bowl, man. You know I do this thing every

1030
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: year called.

1031
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 4: The mental Wealth Text Boy, And you know I think

1032
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 4: a religious trauma panel would be really man, bro say less,

1033
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 4: I'm there.

1034
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: It's easy, it's light work.

1035
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, say let's all right, Well let's look craye.

1036
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: It's the Breakfast Club.

1037
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: Good morning every day.

1038
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: Up weak, click your ass up, the Breakfast Club.

1039
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: You're finish for y'all done it.