1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:05,439 Speaker 1: I'm asking you today to be part of an unprecedented 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: grassroots campaign, a one million act of volunteers in every 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: state in our country. He's running. Um, at what point 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: does Trump tweet about Bernie today? Today? Right? You won't 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: look at day. He hasn't yet, So I don't imagine 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: Bertie Sanders has announced he's officially running. I wasn't sure 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: that he would. I was a little surprised by that. 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: I actually thought maybe he was gonna decide. You know, 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: there's all these candidates out there. Excuse me, all these 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: candidates out there basically basically running on my platform from 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: last time. I'm a million years old. Um, but he's running. Yeah, yeah, 12 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: Well he has the benefit of having been there for 13 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: the revolution, so he can speak to the founding fathers 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: and their principles on that irreverent note. Deborah J. Saunders 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: joins us Debora as the White House correspondent for the 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: Las Vegas Review Journal and is observing all of this 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: at close hand. Hello, Debor, how are you? I'm fine. 18 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the payment came out of the Trump 19 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: campaign on Bernie Sanders running. Okay, go see you're what 20 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: you're breaking news? So what have they said Bernie Sanders 21 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 1: has already wanted debate in the Democrat primary because every 22 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: candidate is embracing his brand of socialism, and that's good. 23 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: You know, they're inaccurate. I think, Yeah, I think that 24 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 1: Bernie would say democratic socialism. But other than that, they're 25 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: they're echoing each other, They're saying the same thing. Yeah, 26 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: so I think I think the president you were saying, 27 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: it will be tweet well, already the campaign sent out something. 28 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: My guess he will be tweeting about this is probably 29 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: pretty tickled about the whole thing. Yeah, I wonder what 30 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: a strategy is on the tweeting, because for some people, 31 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: you know, you elevate them. He actually helped them out. 32 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: I mean, because if you're running on Trump's bad, him 33 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: complaining about you is is one of the best things 34 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: that could happen, do you. So it doesn't always work 35 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: to his to his benefit, but Bernie's a rock star. 36 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: Everybody knows Bernie. So. And if you saw the President 37 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: and Miami yesterday talking about Venezuela, Oh does he love 38 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: to talk about socialism in Venezuela. Now that's his new thing. 39 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: You're gonna be hearing a lot of that for the 40 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: rest of the year. So yeah, I finally caught onto 41 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: this yesterday. I thought it was just because there are 42 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people on uh you know, on the 43 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: other half of the argument who are bothered by socialism 44 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: in America. I didn't I hadn't even occurred to me that, yeah, 45 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: all those Cubans and people from various places around the 46 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: country that live in Florida that hate socialism, that are 47 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: going to determine Florida when the presidential race. That's who 48 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: he's talking to exactly. And he's also just sent to 49 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: all the kids out there who don't quite understand what 50 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 1: socialism is. This is what socialism is. Look at Venezuela, 51 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: look at people who are starving in Venezuela. Well, and 52 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: then I'm sure those on the left will be very 53 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: cynical about this maneuver, but it has the added benefit 54 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: of being true that there is an enormous crisis in 55 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: our hemisphere and in Venezuela, and a refugee crisis and 56 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: at a starvation crisis and one of the richest countries 57 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: on Earth. So you know, it is it is definitely 58 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: worth the United States interest in my opinion. Yeah, I 59 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: grant I think that uh Trump has really handled this, uh, 60 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: this issue so well, and it's a departure from his 61 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: America first, UH philosophy where he's really really, you know, 62 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: put America on the forefront of getting rid of Medoro. 63 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: So I think it's I think it's I think it's 64 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: a good issue policy wise, and I think it's a 65 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: good issue for him politically as well. So listen, this 66 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: is your Pulitzer and maybe a Nobel Prize and uh, 67 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe even a Grammy Deborrah Um Gray. 68 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: You would have to step way outside the mainstream of 69 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: of of journalism at this point. But in terms of 70 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: the whole uh Andy McCabe, Rod Rosenstein, UH twenty five 71 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: Amendment discussion, you have Alan Dershowitz making the rounds saying 72 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: this was clearly a plot for a coup. You have 73 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: Victor Davis Hanson, the great thinker from the Hoover Institution, California, 74 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: you know, educator and writer, um saying the same thing 75 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: that this was this was a plot to one seat 76 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: a freely elected president. Um, and it should be getting 77 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: a great deal more attention. Uh. Is there any whiff 78 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: of energy to the story in the in the Bellway. 79 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: I mean, what amazes me is there are so many 80 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: people in Washington who looked at that story and think 81 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: that it confirms the fact that Trump was out of line. 82 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: There were people in the FBI and Department of Justice 83 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: who were talking about this. It makes me very nervous. 84 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: I think that Andrew McCabe, who basically was fired for 85 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: lying to the FBI, um, you know, they probably had discussions. 86 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: People talk about things, right, and I think it's been 87 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: blown out of proportion. I think he's made a lot 88 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: more out of it than it was because there are 89 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: people who just basically, you know, I mean, they call 90 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: it Trump arrangement syndrome. And I think anybody who looks 91 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: at the story and thinks it's proof that Trump is 92 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: out of line is not paying attention to what the 93 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: FBI is supposed to do. And they have very short 94 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: memories because they do not remember how they felt about 95 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: Jim Commie being involved in the presidential election in six 96 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: when it came to Hillary Clinton's he know, server Yeah, 97 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: I find it troubling. I use this horrifying example, but 98 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: if a guy's accused of beating his dog, people don't 99 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: immediately say banned that dog. Must have really behaved poorly 100 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: to deserve that beating, Right, how about looking at the 101 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: actors involved. These people were attempting to remove the president 102 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: the United States. That is the story, although I get 103 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: with Debra is saying that she thinks McCabe is making 104 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: way too big a deal out of it to sell 105 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: books and or make himself a hero of the left 106 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: so he gets his pension or something. Is I mean, 107 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: these rumors came out last fall that that that this 108 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: is supposed to have happened, and Rod Rosenstein is sort 109 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: of kind of denied it. Yeah, my guess is there 110 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: was a time when this first happened. Then they're furious. 111 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: They're furious not only that Trump fired Cami, but let's 112 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: face it, the way he fired Cami, it wasn't pretty. 113 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,679 Speaker 1: Can you imagine a bunch of people standing around curious, 114 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: thinking what can we do? And maybe just sort of 115 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: going crazy a little bit? But nothing happened. And I 116 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: think the important thing to know has nobody followed it up? 117 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: When when the when the fil lawyer was asked about it, 118 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: he's like, are you people crazy? Yeah? Kennedy prevailed fair enough. 119 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: You know. I think I think that there's not presenting it. 120 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: It's not the way he's presented on sixty minutes. He's 121 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: not saying we got so out of control, we lost 122 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: our heads in retrospect, that's a bad idea. He's presenting 123 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: it as this is how bad this president is. Yeah. Yeah, 124 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure that there are many men who have eaten 125 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: their wives who have said, well, I had to do it, 126 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: she made me do it, right. I mean, I just 127 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: think that they have absolutely no authority to do this. 128 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: If there's going to be a removal of the president, uh, 129 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: it would be through impeachment. And they are not elected officials, 130 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: they're not members of the House. All the House going 131 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: to teach him. Well, this is a pretty clear thing. 132 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: So all right, So you got a lot of vague 133 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: stories that people are denying, and McKay's trying to sell 134 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: a book and trying to sue and trying to get 135 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: his pension in the rest of it. Um, I think 136 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: one reasonable conclusion somebody or one significance of this is 137 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: somebody could say, well, obviously they were so whipped up 138 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: at the FBI over comey being humiliated and fired and 139 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: the rest of it, and and and Trump, that they 140 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: were willing to go way far down the road of 141 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: let's get rid of this guy, which is what a 142 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: lot of Trump's people are claiming. They're not necessarily claiming 143 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: a coup. They're claiming the Justice Apartment was out of control. 144 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: They were pitching the Steel dossier is solid evidence to 145 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: judges over and over and over again, while knowing it 146 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: was discredited. Meanwhile whispering about the twenty fifth Amendment and all. 147 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: It's pretty decent evidence that that they are a little 148 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: nuts at the FBI. Yeah, I think so. And and really, 149 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: I mean you can imagine there are a lot of 150 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: other people who work there are just like you. Don't 151 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: even want to They just want this guy to shut up. 152 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, these are some pretty important people that you 153 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: really need to be honest. So he got McCabe saying, uh, 154 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: Rosenstein brought up the amendment and various stuff, and ron 155 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: Stein says, no, I didn't. You've got McCabe saying I 156 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: leaked to that stuff to the Washington or the Wall 157 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: Street Journal, but the FBI policy allows that, And Comey 158 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: said it was okay. Comey says, no, I didn't tell 159 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: you you could do that. You gotta somebody's lying, And 160 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: none of these people are the sort of people that 161 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: are supposed to lie that That is such a great point. 162 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: And the other thing is that when you read the 163 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: Inspector General's report on the Cape line, he basically not 164 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: only does he leak something and lie to the FBI 165 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 1: people investigating the League and let them go chase down 166 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: looking for the real leaker, right, which is just disguzzy, 167 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: he actually calls that people in New York and says, 168 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 1: you're the League. I know it? Wow, Lean people? Is so, 169 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's he's really a piece of work, this guy. 170 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: And I don't understand how Scott Kelly and folks at 171 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: sixty minutes could not have really they were didn't question No, no, 172 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: they didn't. They didn't which was trouble. They didn't read 173 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: It's like they didn't read it because they just they 174 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: didn't take this very seriously. And this was staff who 175 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: wanted him to be fired to what he did. So yeah, wow, 176 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: And this guy was treated as some sort of you know, 177 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: saint and truth teller on sixty minutes, which just who 178 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: it goes to show. I don't know if you have 179 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: it to catch. There's a podcast Getting a Lot of 180 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: Intention where Laura logan is calling out fellow journalists for 181 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: completely abandoning their their principles and simultaneously says I'm committing 182 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: career suicide by saying this. So you know, it's it's 183 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: a rough time for for journalism. How does Scott Kelly 184 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: not say, you know, there are legal scholars at the 185 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: highest level who believed this was an attempt at administrative 186 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: coup and then have him answer that question. Yeah, like, 187 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: can you just tell me by what authority you all 188 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: were talking about doing that? Right? I mean that's the 189 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: other thing, is the story just completely ignores the elephant 190 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: in the room, if you will, which is they had 191 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: no authorities. We think the president is obstructing justice, so 192 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: we're going to remove him from office. No, we have 193 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: in process. If the president obstructs justice, its compeachment and 194 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: you just go through that. Debora J. Saunders, White House 195 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: correspondent for the Las Vegas Review Journal. Well, listen, you 196 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: don't need this encouragement, Deborah, But you know, keep telling 197 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: the truth is as as you uncover it, um and 198 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: and don't get swept up in the silliness, you know, 199 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of it about oh oh, we're 200 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: all centers on that one. Yeah, oh yeah, oh no doubt, yeah, 201 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: oh yeah. I can't cast the first stone. Oh no, no, no, 202 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm I'm patting the fellow, you know, would 203 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: be do good or on the back and saying, take courage, 204 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: Deborah j take courage. Great to talk to you, Debora, 205 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I have said this, and I 206 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: keep that It bothers me that it's true. I will 207 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: never feel the same way about the FBI. Maybe that's 208 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: a good thing. Maybe that's me being a grown up 209 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: and realizing they're human beings too. You had this fanciful 210 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: idea that they somehow found found magical human beings that 211 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: don't have biases and self interest and egos to be 212 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: at the top levels of the Justice Apartment. You fool. 213 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: Now you know that they're just like all other human beings. 214 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: Maybe that's the way I should look at it, But 215 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: you got companies do apply that to every single function 216 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: of government. These are not angels we have discovered on 217 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: some angel island, um and and and had them run 218 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: the government. These are human beings like us. Everybody's flawed 219 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: so quick giving them so much power. But clearly with 220 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: McCabe and call me in a number of these other people. 221 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: I mean, they got all kinds of biases and ego 222 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: and and weird ideas of their job of fixing the 223 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: country because nobody else can do it like I can. 224 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: Just it's really troubling. Yeah. Yeah, he goes run wild 225 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: and McCabe is in an interesting situation because it's not 226 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 1: a minor deal that he got fired and doesn't get 227 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: his pension. That's not a minor deal. You would have 228 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: your whole life planned around that. And now he's broke 229 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: because he's out there trying to sell a book. By 230 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: the way, I'd like to make it clear that I 231 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: wasn't talking about people who actually live on Angel Island 232 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: in California. When I was talking about Angel Island. This 233 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: metaphorical exactly, not the fabulous state park in San Francisco 234 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: Bay Area.