WEBVTT - What Happened in 2025 with Andrew 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.960 Also media. 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.880 Why do you listen to this podcast? It may be 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:13.720 because it's a strange comfort in naming the thing that's 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:18.040 breathing down on X Today. I want to archive this 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:21.560 past year of systemic collapse, a pile up of small 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:24.360 and large failures we can start to make sense of 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:28.160 in retrospect. If we don't look back at our past 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:32.280 and the patterns within it, if we don't keep these 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.400 more months and events in our memory, it's very, very 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:39.200 easy to get stuck into a perpetually overwhelming present. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:41.360 Welcome to take it up in here. 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.280 I'm Andrew Sage, the guy behind andrewism on YouTube, and 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:46.279 I'm here with. 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:50.560 James Stout, the guy you're here all the time this podcast. 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:56.600 Welcome to your podcast. It's nice. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:58.160 It's nice to do one with you. 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:00.440 Are you ready to take a look at some of 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.360 the stories that shaped Hunt twenty five. 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:05.560 Yes, it's been a hell of a year, so this 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:06.240 she be fun. 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.720 Yeah, I mean I don't expect to be exhaustive, but 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.040 we can, you know, talk about some of the incidents 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:18.160 in climate, in politics and technology and geopolitics, and through 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.840 all that, I want to ask what these stories are 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:26.679 teaching us as anarchists, activists, and just people trying to 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:31.200 live in a society. Yeah, so I suppose first we 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:36.160 could talk about the climate and infrastructural situations, some of 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.920 them that took place this year. It really covered all 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:44.679 of the elements. We had heat, flooding, drought, fire storm. 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:50.280 According to the World Meteorological Organization, global temperatures in twenty 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.960 twenty five ranked among the hottest on record. 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:54.160 Great. 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.600 The WMO put twenty twenty five as likely this second 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.559 or third warmest year in the observation record. 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.600 So a little round of applause for hitting some miles stars. 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:07.639 Right, Yeah, it's good to be winning. 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:08.720 Yeah. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:13.600 Power systems also have been overloaded under air conditioning demand, 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:17.799 leading into rolling blackouts in cities and rural areas, schools 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:21.600 closing during heat waves, and mortality rising among the elderly 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:25.480 and precarious. International agencies have warned that extreme heat is 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:29.400 producing double digit crop losses and mass livestock die offs 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.720 in some cases. Brazil in particular, felt that heat in 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:37.120 agriculture and supply chains. Staple production and food imports both 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.440 suffer due to the heat, and those ripples are going 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.280 to be felt for the rest of us too, because 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.640 Brazil is a bread basket of sorts. It's a top 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:49.720 exporter of tons of really important agricultural products, and the 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:54.600 monsoons also arrived with quite a mood this year. South 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:59.480 Asia's five rains came very heavy and very persistent. In 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:04.480 many please urban drainage field neighborhoods became isolated by the waters. 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:09.480 Trains and roads were unusable for days. Bangladeshian parts of 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.880 India saw a catastrophic flooding that took hundreds of lives 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:17.240 and displaced millions. Over in the Horn of Africa, wells 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.920 ran low, pastures, field and small farmers suffered under the 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:24.320 pressures of the drought. Their water distribution systems were not 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:28.919 built to withstand multi year dry spells, and saw hunger 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:34.520 crisises ended up escalating, particularly in Somalia. Yeah, North America 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:38.640 and Europe also had severe wildfires this year. At this point, 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.840 it's very easy to kind of see them as a 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:44.680 new normal, you know. Canada's turned twenty five season pushed 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:49.160 agencies into one of their largest domestic wildfire responses in years. 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:54.040 Firefighters were stretched, entire towns had to evacuate, and Southern 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.960 Europe in particuliar a Greece and Spain also saw fast 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:01.760 moving fires that consumed homes and utilities and left landscapes 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.960 scorched and infrastructure severely weakened. And then, of course they 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.160 were the hurricanes. This year, the Caribbean was slammed by 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:14.280 Hurricane Melissa, a very slow and powerful storm that devastated Jamaica, Cuba, 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:18.320 Haiti and others, tearing up infrastructure and leaving large swaths 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:21.880 without power for weeks. The storm's exceptional energy is, of 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:26.760 course thanks to climacy, and so all these events and 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.640 I'm definitely leaving outs. I believe their review a few things. 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:33.599 For one, I think it's clear that our systems can't 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:39.440 handle the new extremes being brought about by climacy. They 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:41.919 may have been built for previous normals, but not this. 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:44.720 And this is something that climate scientists have been worn 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.359 and about for some time. You know, our electrical grids 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.640 were sized for incremental loads, so they couldn't handle these 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:55.000 simultaneous peak demands. Urban stormwater management was built for a 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:58.000 particular volume of water over a particular period of time. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.320 They can handle these volumes of water that are pouring 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:05.400 down from above. And also what management systems in more 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:09.440 arid regions weren't prepared for years of drought, and so 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.240 the systemic shocks of this year have been very devastating 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:18.400 for infrastructure, and unlike their propaganda, which tasted they are 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:22.720 necessary for our survival, for our well being, to manage society. 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:28.479 State responses to these catastrophes were often reactive and chronically delayed. 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:33.680 Government intervention and international aid helped in some places, I'm 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:37.400 not denying that, but communities have also often found themselves 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:41.880 on their own, having to improvise survival strategies. And of 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:46.760 course with every disaster there is an extremely long tale 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.720 of recovery after the initial crisis has passed. So we 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:53.719 may leave the news cycle, but their people still dealing 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.640 with the consequences and will be dealing with it in 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.880 the year to come. But these disasters continue to show 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:03.520 the ingenuity and capability of ordinary people to organize, support, 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:08.080 distribute aid, facilitate evacuation, share resources, and so on. So 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.919 we're not powerless. We don't have to be dependent on 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:15.040 slow bureaucracies. Develop resilience. It starts with us as people 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:18.520 being proactive, especially you know, I would say, don't wait 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.200 for the disaster to happen in your area to develop 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.159 a response plan. Invest your time and energy in this 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:29.479 coming year in horizontal capacities, skill training, community trills, share 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:33.880 two libraries, seed and food sovereignty projects, local medical knowledge, 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:38.160 decentralize energy and water projects. I don't place much on 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.440 the demands of the state, but they are also sometimes 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:43.560 granted to may be able to apply for that. Can 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:47.800 you know, secure some resources in community hands, And of 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:52.240 course keep documenting these incidents as they are happening. You know, 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.560 don't wait for a disaster to hit your area to 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.919 learn the lessons that other places had to learn, you know, 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.680 go and see where your vulnerabilities lie them others have 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:05.640 done to respond, train people were necessary, and just try 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.400 and keep up the good faith. Would you say there 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:12.400 was a particular environmental crisis we're naturals, asked to the 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:13.720 year that released it out to you. 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.360 I mean to me. I think the ones that I 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.679 just because they're personally related to places I've been were 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:24.640 the earthquake in Myanmar, right where we saw not only 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:28.120 people die as a result of natural disaster, but people 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:33.120 die as a result of the state considering it's desire 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.040 to keep people in Memma away from the world more 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.120 important than their lives, right, like the state choosing not 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:41.480 to allow search and rescue teams from France, for example, 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:45.080 to enter and instead like you know, folks I know 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.200 who are fighting in the revolution in Memma, like laying 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.160 down their arms and trying to work out how to 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:54.640 pull collapse buildings apart before the people in them died. 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.880 I think that it really was like the poly crisis 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.360 and then the the flooding of Indigenous communities in Alaska, 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.920 right the coastal communities that we saw like a month 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.160 or so ago, And that one hit me particularly hard because, like, 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.680 these people have been screaming for a decade that climate 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.440 change has come. It's not coming, it's come right like 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.480 the like the end is not nigh for them, The 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.800 end is here. The ways of life are being destroyed 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:26.600 by climate change, and the whole community's got wiped out 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.200 right just before winter, and in a place which has 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.439 one of the hardest winters on Earth. All their food caches, right, 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.520 because these are people who tend to to fish for 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:39.480 a lot of food, so the cash food they don't 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:43.560 go to the store were also wiped out. Like It's 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.480 just one of those examples of like one can't be 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.800 prepared enough to deal with things in one can't control, right, 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:52.640 And one of the things that we can't control is 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:54.840 climate change, and it's coming for all of us. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.160 But yeah, it's coming for some people first. 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.439 Yeah, and it's always going to be indigenous, more marginalized people, right, 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.960 whose plight is ignored. Like people can say climate change 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.360 isn't real because they have the relative privilege of not 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:11.960 having their homes destroyed. And like, rebuilding those communities will 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.280 be very, very hard because the only way to get 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.559 there is on a tiny little plane or a boat. 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.679 And everything they've got there has taken generations to build 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:20.520 and it's all gone. 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:21.720 Yeah. 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.280 So those two really struck me. 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:25.600 Yeah. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:27.360 I think my take away is from what you shared 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:31.440 there is that the state will often get in the way. Yes, 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.520 of our survival will all well be in Yeah, and 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.360 that you know, the crisis is here and it's already 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.800 hitting people, and just the people are being hit right 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:45.960 now are the ones designated as sacrificial arms. Yeah, in 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:51.080 a sense for the continued pursuit of economic growth and progress. 0:09:51.600 --> 0:10:03.320 Yeah. 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:09.440 So twenty five also saw an accelerated political coming of age. 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:13.160 You know, gen Z has not been all teenagers for 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.880 a very long time. Now it's been mostly adults or 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.439 soon to be mostly adults at this point, depending on 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.840 where you draw the line, and that generation our my 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:27.920 generation has shown up in the numbers for the past 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:31.760 few years, but particularly this year, inspiring millions. You know, 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.679 gen Z became a very visible political force in the 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:43.000 headlines across very different geographies. Madagascar, Morocco, Kenya, Nepal, Peru, 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:48.040 and Mexico all had uprisings driven by a mix of 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:52.959 grievances rather be corruption, the cost of living, lack of services, 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.439 violent policing, and a feeling that all institutions had nothing 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:00.280 to offer. These movements were not a monolith, you know, 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.959 but they did have some common templates, you know. They 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:07.800 organized digitally on platforms like discord or telegram, and they 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.520 mobilized very quickly, a lot faster than states were originally 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:12.559 able to keep up with. 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:14.520 In Madagascar, the youth. 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:18.280 Had mobilized during water, power cuts and broader corruption, which 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.640 eventually toppled the rule in government and triggered military moves 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.040 in the form of a kulita. But it doesn't seem 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:27.199 so far that anything fruitful, stable or lasting has come 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.439 out of their cause quite yet. Right now, Madagascar is 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.400 a military kernel for president, so it remains we see 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:39.440 in what that leadership brings. In Morocco, the movement gen 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:43.240 Z two on two organized demand better education and healthcare, 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.840 decent housing and jobs, and were eventually met with state 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.679 pushback in the form of arrests and infiltrations. No, they 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.400 eventually want some concessions from the government in the form 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:56.800 of greater funding in this sectors demanded and draft bills 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.760 that incentivize youth participation in the official channels of But 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.080 it remains we've seen how long that will quell the tide, 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.240 because it seems to me at least that this is 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:10.320 the classic tactic of, you know, incorporating a radical movement 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:15.959 into the machinations of the state to temper its energy. Yeah, 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:20.079 in Kenya we saw mass mobilization against police brutality that 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.480 was met with yet more police brutality and extra judicial 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:27.440 killings now numbering in the sixties, with a very clear 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:31.600 aim for the suppression of descent. So far, none of 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.640 their goals have really been recognized or achieved as a movement, 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:39.120 and it seems as though they've similed down due to 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:43.760 the share violence that they are faced in response. In Nepal, 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.920 perhaps the most famous of these stories for this year, 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:51.800 the student led uprisings topple the corrupt government and forced 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.800 concessions with an election coming up next year twenty twenty six. 0:12:56.720 --> 0:13:00.000 But again, what comes next is yet to be seen. 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:04.480 Whether it be lasting, empowering, or sustainable is an open question. 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:09.520 It's another uprising where in my view, the fundamental institutions 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:13.280 have not been overcome, and thus their goals will not 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:19.280 be achieved mediately. But I think every movement, every generation, 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:24.280 has their place for political development and figuring out some 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:29.520 of these shortcomings of these approaches. But I think because 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:33.400 of how tight the timeline is for the need for 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:37.240 like radically drastic action for the sake of the planet 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.640 and for the people on it. Yeah, I really wish 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.560 that these lessons were learned a bit quicker, you know, 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:46.959 that we didn't have to go through these same cycles 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:51.800 of you know, missteps again and again with movements. Yeah, 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.920 you're right, but it remains to be seen whether that 0:13:55.000 --> 0:14:00.680 sort of political development can be accelerated as the crisis accelerates. Yeah. 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:05.760 Like I feel for the youth, like like now these 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.520 revolutions a sense of urgency is so high, right because 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:14.160 the system, Like, if you're a millennial, I guess you 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.600 grew up. If you're me, maybe I'm saying here, like 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:19.360 really you grew up. You know, you were told like 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.240 things will always get better and you will work hard, 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.440 and like just like your folks, you will buy a 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:25.680 house in the house will get more valuable and that 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:27.400 will be nice and blah blah blah. Right if you 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:31.320 live in in this sort of the colonial core, and 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.160 that didn't work out for most of us, but for 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:37.480 gen Z folks, it's like the town that you live 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.440 and will continue to exist is up for debate, right, 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:44.160 Like the climate that you were born in will be 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:48.880 completely distinct from the one that you have children raise 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:53.240 children in. Probably the urgency of the need for change 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.560 is so much with young people today, right, Like you know, yeah, 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.960 the economy that my generation was promised doesn't exist for us, 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:04.200 but the planet that gen Z was promised isn't going 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:08.080 to exist for them. And the information system is so 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.920 fucked for young people today, right, and so captured by 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:16.200 corporate and state interests. And yet despite that, or maybe 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.520 because of that, we've seen some of the most beautiful 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.720 revolutions that I can recall, Right, Like, when I speak 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:25.440 to gen Z folks in Myanmar, they approach the revolution 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.120 in a distinct way from the way that like the 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.640 revolutions I'm familiar with from the nineties and two thousands did, 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:36.320 but also just from like a very human desire for 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.600 a better world, for quality, for a beautiful life, and 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:43.320 so like I'm very hopeful at the same time as 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:47.200 I feel for people of the younger generation. 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.560 Yeah, yeah, I think there's a lot of cause for 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:54.000 hope that such numbers can be mobilized. But I would 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.400 love to see those numbers they're mobilized in the countries 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:01.240 that we've been talking about a more radical than simply 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:05.640 bringing demands to the state or or changing up one 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:07.520 government for another, you know. 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.560 Yeah, yeah, I mean in the case of me and Marlika, 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.720 that's certainly like that is the case, right, Like then 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.240 they're not thinking about changing one running party for another. 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:21.080 They're thinking about changing the way governance works, right, They're 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.400 like bringing democracy to people. To be clear, there isn't 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.880 really a coherent set of exact demands for the revolution, 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:29.760 but many of the young people they speak to are 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.360 looking at how can we create a model that doesn't 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.480 allow for a genocide to happen against one group, that 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.880 doesn't allow for the military to walk into one building 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:42.720 and take away everyone's future. And I think that's very beautiful. 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:44.880 Exactly, that's that's inspiring. 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:49.840 Yeah, yeah, I think asking those questions and asking even 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:53.040 more questions, I think that's how this generation is going 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:59.160 to get to, you know, certain conclusions about whether this 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:06.359 current project should continue. Yeah, it's current state project, this 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:11.119 current capitalist project, this current patriarchal project. The more questions 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:14.439 get asked, the more answers get illuminated, and the closes, 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:19.760 I think we can get to a viable and liberatory alternative. 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.439 Yeah, yeah, definitely the case. And I think some of 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:26.320 this is just like some of it we have to 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.760 work out on the way and that's okay. Like I 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.840 think the twentieth century, the idea of a revolution was 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.800 like this violent seizure of state power, often by a 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:40.280 vanguard group with a very specific project that they were 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:43.679 looking to implement, right, And in the twenty first century, 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:47.520 we haven't seen that. All the time. We have seen 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.760 a lot more of like this is bad and it 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.040 has to change, and we're going to make it change, 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.040 and we'll work out which direction we're moving as we go. 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:56.000 Yeah. 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:59.960 Yeah, then that's blatantly ideological, I'd say. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.280 Yeah, And like, I think that's a good thing because 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.119 what we've seen, I mean, I mean, we have seen 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.520 like this, this idea that revolutions have to stick to 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:11.919 a strict pathway have horrific consequences for humanity, right, like 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.360 them thinking of the Gulag, you know, like and then 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:20.080 thinking of the strict ideology which allowed the Soviet Union 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.280 to become this place where where you created, like you know, 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.960 the things that all were were about in nineteen eighty four. Right, 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:28.600 it is better that a revolutionarized on what the people 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.000 want as they continue to move through it, rather than 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:34.199 saying we will tell the people what they need and 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:35.960 will be the one steering the ship here. 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:39.320 Yeah, that will model is not going to get us 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:44.359 all to this nop. So obviously, my observation of the 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:48.320 political shifts of this year has really exposed the flaws 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:52.919 of traditional politics and parties, how they've largely sued as 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.520 gatekeepers to suppress, to absorb and blunt. 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:57.440 The energy is the. 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:02.879 Masses, and I'm sure theotential of spontaneous uparisons, but I 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.399 think this year also show that we cannot keep rising 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.280 up again and again and again and again, you know, 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:13.119 feeding bodies to the brutal police forces and prison systems, 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:17.879 you know, from movements to matters. Beyond these episodes of disruption, 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:23.680 I believe they need to develop infrastructure. You know, let's 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:27.600 let's do something that lasts longer than a headline, and 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.560 of course the actions that you know, I'm not denying 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:33.320 that some of these movements are in each and building infrastructure. 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.120 It's just that those sorts of efforts are less likely 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:41.239 to make the international use headlines. Yeah, you know, but 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.159 I love to see these essentralized mobilizations. I just want 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.439 to see them pay with something more prefigurative politics that 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.440 can sustain them, that can expand the zones of freedom, 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.640 that can tune their momentum into lasting change. I will 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:59.320 say that I appreciate these movements have embraced tactical variety. 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.639 You know that they it's largely understood the need for anonymity. 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:05.359 But I don't want them to keep forward into this 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:09.880 trap of this sort of dissipation of energy. They get 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:13.600 a government concession and they dissipate that there's not a 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:18.600 long term ambition, or they're not enough steps being taken 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:25.280 to resist infiltration and surveillance through operational security. 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.160 I think that if that you know, OPSEEC is. 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:33.600 Not present, it's very easy for these movements get disrupted 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.320 from within. You know, platforms like this SCORD have already 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.359 proven themselves to be ops in on to these kinds 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:43.240 of causes. They will willingly sell people out. But I 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.879 have a lot of hope when I say that tentatively, 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:51.480 but we can stand up for something that some of 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:55.719 mine can read run somewhere, Because even though an uprising 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:58.760 like the one in Nepal or Morocco hasn't taken place 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.159 in Trinidadia, I mean we've been under a state of 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:05.040 emergency for the entire time that this new government has 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:08.439 been in power. I will say that I often in 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:12.359 you know, casual conversation here rumbling. So we need to 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:15.520 do what Nepal did, you know, We need to do 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:16.000 a proved it. 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:16.720 And I think that's. 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:21.840 The power the potential of these kind of moments. Even 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:26.159 if they don't lead to something lasting in the immediate aftermath, 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:30.520 they still save as an inspiration. They still open up 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:32.919 the landscape of possibilities. 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.560 Yeah, what's so Commandante Marcus used to say it was 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:38.359 like to open up a pinprick of light in the 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:42.960 curtain of darkness exactly. Yeah, it's to show people what's possible. 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.520 That's a perfect expression. I actually never did that quote before. 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:46.280 That's a good one. 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:48.640 Yeah, I used to read Loze that stuff. I think 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:50.879 you had some wonderful ways of expressing things. 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.680 Yeah, gen Z's not going to save anyone. 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:58.080 You know, as a generation, we're just as susceptible to 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:01.360 flaws and resurrections as any other. There are those who 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:04.479 are invested in welfare and anti corruption, and there are 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:08.159 those who are invested in reactionary popularism. But the waves 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:12.520 of uprisings I think are mostly positive. And I just 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:17.320 hope that that that spark can light a fire. And 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:18.840 the way that we get that spark to light that 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:22.400 fire when we put fuel in place, fuel like networks, 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:27.119 fuel like collectives, unions and so on. Well, when speaking 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.960 of unions, I forgot to mention this. Yeah, India actually 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:34.560 had a coalition of major trade unions stage and nationwide 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:36.880 protests and strikes. 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:40.720 This year against the new labor codes. That's cool, so 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:42.080 shout out to them as well. 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:46.240 Yeah, yeah, especially in a state which is it's not 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:48.400 necessarily you know, like you will, they will cut down 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.280 pretty hard on you in India if you stand up 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:52.160 against the state. 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.280 Indeed, and so to wrap this section, I think I'll 0:22:55.320 --> 0:23:00.480 say that five protests show a fraction of offer frustration. 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.880 But they also show that we can't just keep screaming 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:07.240 into the void. You know, the ruptures that come in 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:11.480 twenty twenty six and beyond need to start from somewhere. 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:12.160 Other than scratch. 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:15.640 If you want to say tech crises now, I think 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:18.840 as EI continued to boom in twenty twenty five, we 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.879 saw a massive build out of physical infrastructure data centers, 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:27.320 server farms, water hungry cooling systems, and energy hungry hardware. 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:30.320 It's very easy to think of the Internet as a cloud, 0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:31.960 but it's a very physical thing. 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:34.960 It demands land, water, and electricity. 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:41.240 It strains local communities, It drains local communities of resources. 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:46.440 The water use of data centers in particular, can eat 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:49.960 up millions of liters of water daily, taken away from 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:54.159 households and agricultural needs. In fact, data centers in the 0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:57.760 US now consume more than four percent of total electricity, 0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:01.720 with over half still being powered by fossil fuel jesus. 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:05.359