1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Also media. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 2: Why do you listen to this podcast? It may be 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: because it's a strange comfort in naming the thing that's 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 2: breathing down on X Today. I want to archive this 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: past year of systemic collapse, a pile up of small 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: and large failures we can start to make sense of 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: in retrospect. If we don't look back at our past 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 2: and the patterns within it, if we don't keep these 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: more months and events in our memory, it's very, very 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 2: easy to get stuck into a perpetually overwhelming present. 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 3: Welcome to take it up in here. 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Sage, the guy behind andrewism on YouTube, and 13 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 2: I'm here with. 14 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: James Stout, the guy you're here all the time this podcast. 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 3: Welcome to your podcast. It's nice. 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: It's nice to do one with you. 17 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: Are you ready to take a look at some of 18 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: the stories that shaped Hunt twenty five. 19 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: Yes, it's been a hell of a year, so this 20 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: she be fun. 21 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't expect to be exhaustive, but 22 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 2: we can, you know, talk about some of the incidents 23 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: in climate, in politics and technology and geopolitics, and through 24 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: all that, I want to ask what these stories are 25 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 2: teaching us as anarchists, activists, and just people trying to 26 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: live in a society. Yeah, so I suppose first we 27 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: could talk about the climate and infrastructural situations, some of 28 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: them that took place this year. It really covered all 29 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: of the elements. We had heat, flooding, drought, fire storm. 30 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: According to the World Meteorological Organization, global temperatures in twenty 31 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: twenty five ranked among the hottest on record. 32 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: Great. 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: The WMO put twenty twenty five as likely this second 34 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 2: or third warmest year in the observation record. 35 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 3: So a little round of applause for hitting some miles stars. 36 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,639 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's good to be winning. 37 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 38 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: Power systems also have been overloaded under air conditioning demand, 39 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 2: leading into rolling blackouts in cities and rural areas, schools 40 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: closing during heat waves, and mortality rising among the elderly 41 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: and precarious. International agencies have warned that extreme heat is 42 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: producing double digit crop losses and mass livestock die offs 43 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: in some cases. Brazil in particular, felt that heat in 44 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: agriculture and supply chains. Staple production and food imports both 45 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: suffer due to the heat, and those ripples are going 46 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: to be felt for the rest of us too, because 47 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: Brazil is a bread basket of sorts. It's a top 48 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: exporter of tons of really important agricultural products, and the 49 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: monsoons also arrived with quite a mood this year. South 50 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: Asia's five rains came very heavy and very persistent. In 51 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: many please urban drainage field neighborhoods became isolated by the waters. 52 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: Trains and roads were unusable for days. Bangladeshian parts of 53 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: India saw a catastrophic flooding that took hundreds of lives 54 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 2: and displaced millions. Over in the Horn of Africa, wells 55 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: ran low, pastures, field and small farmers suffered under the 56 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: pressures of the drought. Their water distribution systems were not 57 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 2: built to withstand multi year dry spells, and saw hunger 58 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: crisises ended up escalating, particularly in Somalia. Yeah, North America 59 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: and Europe also had severe wildfires this year. At this point, 60 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: it's very easy to kind of see them as a 61 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: new normal, you know. Canada's turned twenty five season pushed 62 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: agencies into one of their largest domestic wildfire responses in years. 63 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: Firefighters were stretched, entire towns had to evacuate, and Southern 64 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: Europe in particuliar a Greece and Spain also saw fast 65 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: moving fires that consumed homes and utilities and left landscapes 66 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: scorched and infrastructure severely weakened. And then, of course they 67 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: were the hurricanes. This year, the Caribbean was slammed by 68 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: Hurricane Melissa, a very slow and powerful storm that devastated Jamaica, Cuba, 69 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: Haiti and others, tearing up infrastructure and leaving large swaths 70 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: without power for weeks. The storm's exceptional energy is, of 71 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: course thanks to climacy, and so all these events and 72 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: I'm definitely leaving outs. I believe their review a few things. 73 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 2: For one, I think it's clear that our systems can't 74 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: handle the new extremes being brought about by climacy. They 75 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 2: may have been built for previous normals, but not this. 76 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 2: And this is something that climate scientists have been worn 77 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 2: and about for some time. You know, our electrical grids 78 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: were sized for incremental loads, so they couldn't handle these 79 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: simultaneous peak demands. Urban stormwater management was built for a 80 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: particular volume of water over a particular period of time. 81 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: They can handle these volumes of water that are pouring 82 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: down from above. And also what management systems in more 83 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: arid regions weren't prepared for years of drought, and so 84 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: the systemic shocks of this year have been very devastating 85 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: for infrastructure, and unlike their propaganda, which tasted they are 86 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 2: necessary for our survival, for our well being, to manage society. 87 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 2: State responses to these catastrophes were often reactive and chronically delayed. 88 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: Government intervention and international aid helped in some places, I'm 89 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: not denying that, but communities have also often found themselves 90 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: on their own, having to improvise survival strategies. And of 91 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: course with every disaster there is an extremely long tale 92 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 2: of recovery after the initial crisis has passed. So we 93 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: may leave the news cycle, but their people still dealing 94 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: with the consequences and will be dealing with it in 95 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: the year to come. But these disasters continue to show 96 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: the ingenuity and capability of ordinary people to organize, support, 97 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: distribute aid, facilitate evacuation, share resources, and so on. So 98 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 2: we're not powerless. We don't have to be dependent on 99 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: slow bureaucracies. Develop resilience. It starts with us as people 100 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: being proactive, especially you know, I would say, don't wait 101 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: for the disaster to happen in your area to develop 102 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 2: a response plan. Invest your time and energy in this 103 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 2: coming year in horizontal capacities, skill training, community trills, share 104 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: two libraries, seed and food sovereignty projects, local medical knowledge, 105 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 2: decentralize energy and water projects. I don't place much on 106 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: the demands of the state, but they are also sometimes 107 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 2: granted to may be able to apply for that. Can 108 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: you know, secure some resources in community hands, And of 109 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: course keep documenting these incidents as they are happening. You know, 110 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: don't wait for a disaster to hit your area to 111 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 2: learn the lessons that other places had to learn, you know, 112 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: go and see where your vulnerabilities lie them others have 113 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: done to respond, train people were necessary, and just try 114 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: and keep up the good faith. Would you say there 115 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: was a particular environmental crisis we're naturals, asked to the 116 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: year that released it out to you. 117 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: I mean to me. I think the ones that I 118 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,679 Speaker 1: just because they're personally related to places I've been were 119 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: the earthquake in Myanmar, right where we saw not only 120 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: people die as a result of natural disaster, but people 121 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: die as a result of the state considering it's desire 122 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: to keep people in Memma away from the world more 123 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: important than their lives, right, like the state choosing not 124 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: to allow search and rescue teams from France, for example, 125 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: to enter and instead like you know, folks I know 126 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: who are fighting in the revolution in Memma, like laying 127 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: down their arms and trying to work out how to 128 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: pull collapse buildings apart before the people in them died. 129 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: I think that it really was like the poly crisis 130 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: and then the the flooding of Indigenous communities in Alaska, 131 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: right the coastal communities that we saw like a month 132 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: or so ago, And that one hit me particularly hard because, like, 133 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: these people have been screaming for a decade that climate 134 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: change has come. It's not coming, it's come right like 135 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: the like the end is not nigh for them, The 136 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: end is here. The ways of life are being destroyed 137 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: by climate change, and the whole community's got wiped out 138 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: right just before winter, and in a place which has 139 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: one of the hardest winters on Earth. All their food caches, right, 140 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: because these are people who tend to to fish for 141 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: a lot of food, so the cash food they don't 142 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: go to the store were also wiped out. Like It's 143 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: just one of those examples of like one can't be 144 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: prepared enough to deal with things in one can't control, right, 145 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: And one of the things that we can't control is 146 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: climate change, and it's coming for all of us. 147 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's coming for some people first. 148 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's always going to be indigenous, more marginalized people, right, 149 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: whose plight is ignored. Like people can say climate change 150 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: isn't real because they have the relative privilege of not 151 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: having their homes destroyed. And like, rebuilding those communities will 152 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: be very, very hard because the only way to get 153 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: there is on a tiny little plane or a boat. 154 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: And everything they've got there has taken generations to build 155 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: and it's all gone. 156 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 157 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: So those two really struck me. 158 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 159 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: I think my take away is from what you shared 160 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 2: there is that the state will often get in the way. Yes, 161 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: of our survival will all well be in Yeah, and 162 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: that you know, the crisis is here and it's already 163 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: hitting people, and just the people are being hit right 164 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 2: now are the ones designated as sacrificial arms. Yeah, in 165 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: a sense for the continued pursuit of economic growth and progress. 166 00:09:51,600 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 167 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: So twenty five also saw an accelerated political coming of age. 168 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: You know, gen Z has not been all teenagers for 169 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: a very long time. Now it's been mostly adults or 170 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 2: soon to be mostly adults at this point, depending on 171 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 2: where you draw the line, and that generation our my 172 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: generation has shown up in the numbers for the past 173 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: few years, but particularly this year, inspiring millions. You know, 174 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 2: gen Z became a very visible political force in the 175 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: headlines across very different geographies. Madagascar, Morocco, Kenya, Nepal, Peru, 176 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: and Mexico all had uprisings driven by a mix of 177 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 2: grievances rather be corruption, the cost of living, lack of services, 178 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 2: violent policing, and a feeling that all institutions had nothing 179 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: to offer. These movements were not a monolith, you know, 180 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 2: but they did have some common templates, you know. They 181 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: organized digitally on platforms like discord or telegram, and they 182 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: mobilized very quickly, a lot faster than states were originally 183 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 2: able to keep up with. 184 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 3: In Madagascar, the youth. 185 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: Had mobilized during water, power cuts and broader corruption, which 186 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: eventually toppled the rule in government and triggered military moves 187 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: in the form of a kulita. But it doesn't seem 188 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 2: so far that anything fruitful, stable or lasting has come 189 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 2: out of their cause quite yet. Right now, Madagascar is 190 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: a military kernel for president, so it remains we see 191 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: in what that leadership brings. In Morocco, the movement gen 192 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: Z two on two organized demand better education and healthcare, 193 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 2: decent housing and jobs, and were eventually met with state 194 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 2: pushback in the form of arrests and infiltrations. No, they 195 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: eventually want some concessions from the government in the form 196 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: of greater funding in this sectors demanded and draft bills 197 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: that incentivize youth participation in the official channels of But 198 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 2: it remains we've seen how long that will quell the tide, 199 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: because it seems to me at least that this is 200 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 2: the classic tactic of, you know, incorporating a radical movement 201 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 2: into the machinations of the state to temper its energy. Yeah, 202 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 2: in Kenya we saw mass mobilization against police brutality that 203 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: was met with yet more police brutality and extra judicial 204 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 2: killings now numbering in the sixties, with a very clear 205 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: aim for the suppression of descent. So far, none of 206 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: their goals have really been recognized or achieved as a movement, 207 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: and it seems as though they've similed down due to 208 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: the share violence that they are faced in response. In Nepal, 209 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: perhaps the most famous of these stories for this year, 210 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: the student led uprisings topple the corrupt government and forced 211 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: concessions with an election coming up next year twenty twenty six. 212 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: But again, what comes next is yet to be seen. 213 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 2: Whether it be lasting, empowering, or sustainable is an open question. 214 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: It's another uprising where in my view, the fundamental institutions 215 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 2: have not been overcome, and thus their goals will not 216 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: be achieved mediately. But I think every movement, every generation, 217 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: has their place for political development and figuring out some 218 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: of these shortcomings of these approaches. But I think because 219 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: of how tight the timeline is for the need for 220 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: like radically drastic action for the sake of the planet 221 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: and for the people on it. Yeah, I really wish 222 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: that these lessons were learned a bit quicker, you know, 223 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 2: that we didn't have to go through these same cycles 224 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: of you know, missteps again and again with movements. Yeah, 225 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: you're right, but it remains to be seen whether that 226 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 2: sort of political development can be accelerated as the crisis accelerates. Yeah. 227 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: Like I feel for the youth, like like now these 228 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: revolutions a sense of urgency is so high, right because 229 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: the system, Like, if you're a millennial, I guess you 230 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: grew up. If you're me, maybe I'm saying here, like 231 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: really you grew up. You know, you were told like 232 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: things will always get better and you will work hard, 233 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: and like just like your folks, you will buy a 234 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: house in the house will get more valuable and that 235 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: will be nice and blah blah blah. Right if you 236 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: live in in this sort of the colonial core, and 237 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: that didn't work out for most of us, but for 238 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: gen Z folks, it's like the town that you live 239 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: and will continue to exist is up for debate, right, 240 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: Like the climate that you were born in will be 241 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: completely distinct from the one that you have children raise 242 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: children in. Probably the urgency of the need for change 243 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: is so much with young people today, right, Like you know, yeah, 244 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: the economy that my generation was promised doesn't exist for us, 245 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: but the planet that gen Z was promised isn't going 246 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: to exist for them. And the information system is so 247 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: fucked for young people today, right, and so captured by 248 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: corporate and state interests. And yet despite that, or maybe 249 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: because of that, we've seen some of the most beautiful 250 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: revolutions that I can recall, Right, Like, when I speak 251 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: to gen Z folks in Myanmar, they approach the revolution 252 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: in a distinct way from the way that like the 253 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: revolutions I'm familiar with from the nineties and two thousands did, 254 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: but also just from like a very human desire for 255 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: a better world, for quality, for a beautiful life, and 256 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: so like I'm very hopeful at the same time as 257 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: I feel for people of the younger generation. 258 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think there's a lot of cause for 259 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: hope that such numbers can be mobilized. But I would 260 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: love to see those numbers they're mobilized in the countries 261 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: that we've been talking about a more radical than simply 262 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: bringing demands to the state or or changing up one 263 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: government for another, you know. 264 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean in the case of me and Marlika, 265 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: that's certainly like that is the case, right, Like then 266 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: they're not thinking about changing one running party for another. 267 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: They're thinking about changing the way governance works, right, They're 268 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: like bringing democracy to people. To be clear, there isn't 269 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: really a coherent set of exact demands for the revolution, 270 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: but many of the young people they speak to are 271 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: looking at how can we create a model that doesn't 272 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: allow for a genocide to happen against one group, that 273 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: doesn't allow for the military to walk into one building 274 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: and take away everyone's future. And I think that's very beautiful. 275 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 3: Exactly, that's that's inspiring. 276 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think asking those questions and asking even 277 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: more questions, I think that's how this generation is going 278 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: to get to, you know, certain conclusions about whether this 279 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 2: current project should continue. Yeah, it's current state project, this 280 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 2: current capitalist project, this current patriarchal project. The more questions 281 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 2: get asked, the more answers get illuminated, and the closes, 282 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 2: I think we can get to a viable and liberatory alternative. 283 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely the case. And I think some of 284 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: this is just like some of it we have to 285 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: work out on the way and that's okay. Like I 286 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: think the twentieth century, the idea of a revolution was 287 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: like this violent seizure of state power, often by a 288 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: vanguard group with a very specific project that they were 289 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: looking to implement, right, And in the twenty first century, 290 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: we haven't seen that. All the time. We have seen 291 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: a lot more of like this is bad and it 292 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: has to change, and we're going to make it change, 293 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: and we'll work out which direction we're moving as we go. 294 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 295 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, then that's blatantly ideological, I'd say. 296 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And like, I think that's a good thing because 297 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: what we've seen, I mean, I mean, we have seen 298 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: like this, this idea that revolutions have to stick to 299 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: a strict pathway have horrific consequences for humanity, right, like 300 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: them thinking of the Gulag, you know, like and then 301 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: thinking of the strict ideology which allowed the Soviet Union 302 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: to become this place where where you created, like you know, 303 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: the things that all were were about in nineteen eighty four. Right, 304 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: it is better that a revolutionarized on what the people 305 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: want as they continue to move through it, rather than 306 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: saying we will tell the people what they need and 307 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: will be the one steering the ship here. 308 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that will model is not going to get us 309 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 2: all to this nop. So obviously, my observation of the 310 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: political shifts of this year has really exposed the flaws 311 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 2: of traditional politics and parties, how they've largely sued as 312 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: gatekeepers to suppress, to absorb and blunt. 313 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 3: The energy is the. 314 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 2: Masses, and I'm sure theotential of spontaneous uparisons, but I 315 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 2: think this year also show that we cannot keep rising 316 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 2: up again and again and again and again, you know, 317 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 2: feeding bodies to the brutal police forces and prison systems, 318 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: you know, from movements to matters. Beyond these episodes of disruption, 319 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 2: I believe they need to develop infrastructure. You know, let's 320 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: let's do something that lasts longer than a headline, and 321 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: of course the actions that you know, I'm not denying 322 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: that some of these movements are in each and building infrastructure. 323 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 2: It's just that those sorts of efforts are less likely 324 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,239 Speaker 2: to make the international use headlines. Yeah, you know, but 325 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 2: I love to see these essentralized mobilizations. I just want 326 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 2: to see them pay with something more prefigurative politics that 327 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 2: can sustain them, that can expand the zones of freedom, 328 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 2: that can tune their momentum into lasting change. I will 329 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: say that I appreciate these movements have embraced tactical variety. 330 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 2: You know that they it's largely understood the need for anonymity. 331 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 2: But I don't want them to keep forward into this 332 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 2: trap of this sort of dissipation of energy. They get 333 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 2: a government concession and they dissipate that there's not a 334 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: long term ambition, or they're not enough steps being taken 335 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: to resist infiltration and surveillance through operational security. 336 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 3: I think that if that you know, OPSEEC is. 337 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 2: Not present, it's very easy for these movements get disrupted 338 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: from within. You know, platforms like this SCORD have already 339 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 2: proven themselves to be ops in on to these kinds 340 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: of causes. They will willingly sell people out. But I 341 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 2: have a lot of hope when I say that tentatively, 342 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 2: but we can stand up for something that some of 343 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 2: mine can read run somewhere, Because even though an uprising 344 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: like the one in Nepal or Morocco hasn't taken place 345 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 2: in Trinidadia, I mean we've been under a state of 346 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 2: emergency for the entire time that this new government has 347 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 2: been in power. I will say that I often in 348 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 2: you know, casual conversation here rumbling. So we need to 349 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: do what Nepal did, you know, We need to do 350 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: a proved it. 351 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 3: And I think that's. 352 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: The power the potential of these kind of moments. Even 353 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 2: if they don't lead to something lasting in the immediate aftermath, 354 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: they still save as an inspiration. They still open up 355 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 2: the landscape of possibilities. 356 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's so Commandante Marcus used to say it was 357 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: like to open up a pinprick of light in the 358 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: curtain of darkness exactly. Yeah, it's to show people what's possible. 359 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 2: That's a perfect expression. I actually never did that quote before. 360 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 2: That's a good one. 361 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to read Loze that stuff. I think 362 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: you had some wonderful ways of expressing things. 363 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, gen Z's not going to save anyone. 364 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 2: You know, as a generation, we're just as susceptible to 365 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 2: flaws and resurrections as any other. There are those who 366 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 2: are invested in welfare and anti corruption, and there are 367 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 2: those who are invested in reactionary popularism. But the waves 368 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: of uprisings I think are mostly positive. And I just 369 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 2: hope that that that spark can light a fire. And 370 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: the way that we get that spark to light that 371 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 2: fire when we put fuel in place, fuel like networks, 372 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 2: fuel like collectives, unions and so on. Well, when speaking 373 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 2: of unions, I forgot to mention this. Yeah, India actually 374 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: had a coalition of major trade unions stage and nationwide 375 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 2: protests and strikes. 376 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 3: This year against the new labor codes. That's cool, so 377 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 3: shout out to them as well. 378 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, especially in a state which is it's not 379 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: necessarily you know, like you will, they will cut down 380 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: pretty hard on you in India if you stand up 381 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: against the state. 382 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: Indeed, and so to wrap this section, I think I'll 383 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 2: say that five protests show a fraction of offer frustration. 384 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 2: But they also show that we can't just keep screaming 385 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: into the void. You know, the ruptures that come in 386 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six and beyond need to start from somewhere. 387 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 3: Other than scratch. 388 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 2: If you want to say tech crises now, I think 389 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 2: as EI continued to boom in twenty twenty five, we 390 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 2: saw a massive build out of physical infrastructure data centers, 391 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: server farms, water hungry cooling systems, and energy hungry hardware. 392 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 2: It's very easy to think of the Internet as a cloud, 393 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 2: but it's a very physical thing. 394 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 3: It demands land, water, and electricity. 395 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: It strains local communities, It drains local communities of resources. 396 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 2: The water use of data centers in particular, can eat 397 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: up millions of liters of water daily, taken away from 398 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 2: households and agricultural needs. In fact, data centers in the 399 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: US now consume more than four percent of total electricity, 400 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: with over half still being powered by fossil fuel jesus. 401 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like how much electricity we use in the US, 402 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: Like we go hard on electric right, Like. 403 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, so four percent. It's quite a jump from something 404 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 2: that basically didn't exist ten years ago, five. 405 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 3: Years ago exactly. 406 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 4: Yeah. 407 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: And so all this. 408 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: Scaling up of AI is pushing us much faster towards 409 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 2: the limits of growth. 410 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 3: You know. 411 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 2: It feels like we are being ruled by accelerationists at times, 412 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 2: you know. And all the while we have these tech 413 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: bros pushing their tech savior gospel on us, even though 414 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 2: it's very clear that AI is just another vector of extraction, consumption, 415 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 2: and inequality. Yeah, there's just another way for the owners 416 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 2: of profit to gain greater control of our data and 417 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: greater surveillance of our lives. What I am proud of 418 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 2: is that people continue to speak out against it, to 419 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 2: challenge it, to question it, to call it out wherever 420 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 2: they see it. They are people who refuse to support, 421 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: you know, YouTube channels that are pushing out AI music 422 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: or EI visuals or II scripts. People who refusing to 423 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: support you know, pages and profiles that have those kinds 424 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 2: of things, or companies that use those sort of that software. 425 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: We have to keep that energy up. We have to 426 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 2: keep it going, and we're as seeing to build things 427 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: that will increase our ability to operate outside of the 428 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: AI fueled corporate overlord Internet that many of us currently 429 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 2: exist as pseudo safs within. Yeah, you know, there's a 430 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: lot of roof open source software intgital commands that are 431 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 2: out of the hands of corporations that we can venture into. 432 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 2: You know, tech is contested terrain that the tech ordagarchus 433 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: are currently winning. But that terrain is something that we 434 00:25:48,320 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 2: can continue to challenge into the new year, definitely. But 435 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: geopolitics in five was a catalog of catastrophes from continuing 436 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: was fueled by cast properties to straight up genocides. So 437 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: in Palestini we saw this year repeated rounds of siege, 438 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 2: bombardment and cruelty, repeated cease fire violations and the part 439 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: of Israel, all enabled by America's military support and political cover. 440 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 2: To this day, food, water, and medical provisions continue to 441 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: be strained as a result of Israel's genocidal ambitions in Sudan. 442 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: The fractures they have only worsened as the bloodshed famously 443 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 2: can be seen from space. Millions have been internally displaced. 444 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 2: The casualties are currently incalculable, and the fighting between the 445 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: Sudanese armed forces and the rapid support forces rages on, 446 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 2: all supported by regional power including Egypt, Saudi Arabia and 447 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 2: the UAE. In the Democratic Republic of the Congo, conflicting 448 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: armed groups supported by the government of the DRC and 449 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: the neighboring Rwanda, respectively, have continued attacking communities and infrastructure, 450 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 2: inflicting mass rapes, and engaging in other war crimes, all 451 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 2: while funded by mining operations in one of the most 452 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: resource rich regions in the world. In Yemen, the violence 453 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 2: continues for tens of millions as the Saudi that coalition, 454 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 2: the UAE and Western powers continues to supply arms, logistics, 455 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 2: and diplomatic cover for the displacement, collapse, and brutality inflicted 456 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 2: upon the civilians of the country. In Ukraine, the war 457 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 2: with Russia continues to consume resources and lives. In the 458 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 2: Caribbean Sea, the US ramped up its violence as the 459 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 2: targets and bombs boats and international waters that it alleges 460 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 2: are carrying drugs and appears to be gear enough for 461 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 2: some kind of operation against as we are and resistant 462 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 2: groups continue to fight against the military junta, which continues 463 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 2: to receive economic and political cover from neighboring China. Now 464 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 2: this isn't exhaustive, so because even if I missed any 465 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 2: of the major stories from this year. 466 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 3: There's so many. 467 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it's so sad to think about, 468 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: like this new drone war that we're starting in Venezuela, 469 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: and we will probably start another one in this hell soon. 470 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: You know, it's very easy for those things to seem 471 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: tangential to our lives. I have experienced what it's like 472 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: to be in a place where drones are killing people 473 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: every day. What that does to you, Just like not 474 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: knowing who's going to get killed tonight, right it probably 475 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: won't be you, very unlikely, it might be might be 476 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: someone you saw today, might be someone you'd ever met. 477 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: Dozens of people get killed, but thousands of people have 478 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: to live in with this sense of fear, and maybe 479 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: after a while you get used to it. I don't know, 480 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: but I don't think we realize like potential of the 481 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: human joy, even though it's not like a in this case, 482 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: not like a ground war, right like for many people 483 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: don't see it as a war. The terrible trauma that 484 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: that causes. It is not just to the people who 485 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: are killed in their families, but to so many other 486 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: people who have to live with the knowledge that, like 487 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: they could be killed in the world wouldn't care. 488 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that the mental torment and trauma, even 489 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: if you survive, yeah, something like Palestine or something like Sudan, Yeah, 490 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 2: that's going to stay with you for the rest of 491 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 2: your life and reverberate in future generations. Even generations that 492 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 2: they not experience the genocide directly, do not experience the 493 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 2: war directly, they're still going to feel that in their 494 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 2: bones in the way that you know, the generations and 495 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 2: the experience that interact with them in the stories that 496 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 2: they tell. 497 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, that trauma lives for a long time, right, 498 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: and trauma creates sometimes a cycle of violence. 499 00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 3: Right, Like. 500 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: It's not a good thing. Yeah, But the idea of 501 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: drone warfare is the idea that these like clean surgical strikes. 502 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: That's not how war works, that's not how killing works, 503 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: that's not how explosive warheads work. 504 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 505 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: I remember in Rajavrez sat down with a family who 506 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: had lost their son who had just turned fourteen, and 507 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: like thinking of the waves of repercussion from that one bomb, 508 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: and hundreds of bombs fell that year, you know, and 509 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: then that was just interior. Thousands of these drone bombs 510 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: fell all around the world, and for the most part, 511 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: people didn't remark on it and didn't care. But that's 512 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: happening more now. 513 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's very very easy to zoom out 514 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 2: and just think of the pure statistics, the pure numbers, 515 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: because when you actually zoom in and even an individual 516 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 2: incident that is an entire lifetime affected, multiple lifetimes affected 517 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: by even one building being leveled or one bullet being fired. 518 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think there's a reason we don't we 519 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: put on war like that, right, Like I tried to 520 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: when I write my stuff, because like everyone's life is 521 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: the most valuable thing they have, and every death of 522 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: the tragedy. But it's hard on the reporter, Like it's 523 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: not sustainable, fox you up and be people. People wouldn't 524 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: like wars if we get like you see it to 525 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: an extent in the way that the European nations talked 526 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: about World War One, right, like to get a significant 527 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: number of upper class British people to be opposed to 528 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: the concept of warfare. It's quite a remarkable endeavor, right 529 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: like that those are people who have gone to schools 530 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: whose sole purpose was to raise them as military officers 531 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: for empire from the age of five. But we saw 532 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: it after World War One, because the war wasn't abstract, 533 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: right it was close by the people dying, one of 534 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: different class or race. They were everyone, and especially young 535 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: upper class men who became officers, right like. But somehow 536 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: along the way since then, we've lost that and we've 537 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: we've we've convinced ourselves that that this is something that like, 538 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: it's in a human tragedy, even if it doesn't involve us. 539 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting you mentioned in World War One in particular, 540 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 2: because I actually sat down to finally watch or Quiet 541 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 2: on the Western Front. Oh yeah, last night I watched 542 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 2: like the first five minutes and I was like, I 543 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 2: don't know if I could watch this right now, and 544 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 2: we want to watch something else. 545 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. 546 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 2: And that's a movie, you know, it's not even the 547 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: real thing. It's a fictional depiction of the occurrence. And 548 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 2: I felt like I was there. 549 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't like watching those films. I don't 550 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: watch those films gives me bad memories dreams. Yeah, but yeah, 551 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: Like I can't understand how we have this ability to 552 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: we have fucking VR now, right, like sogents can practice 553 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: operations in VR. But like in a world where we 554 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: can have so many experiences, experienced things that we would 555 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: never experience otherwise, we have inflicted a genocide through starvation 556 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: on the people of Palestine. Like in a world where 557 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: we can see and know more about other people's lives 558 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: than ever, we've done this thing. Like I don't want 559 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: to harp on the fact that, like Israel's built on 560 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: the idea of never again and here they are doing 561 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: it again, right, But like it's just so sad that 562 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: like we're in this world where we can know and 563 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: share more things, and yet it's resulted in somehow are 564 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: still not seeing our common humanity. I mean more people 565 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: have I guess. Also, like one thing that has happened 566 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: this year, in the last two years that like when 567 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: I came here, I would never have believed that you 568 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: would get thousands of American people out to call for 569 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: the basic human rights of Palestinian people. Like it wasn't 570 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: a thing that American people who are aware of so 571 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: like that is something that over the last two years, 572 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: think we have seen solidarity some of that's. 573 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, there has been a shift. 574 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, some of that solidarity I think has been misguided. 575 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 2: But I think some of the I guess anti Israel 576 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 2: shift has come less from a concern for Palestinians and 577 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 2: more so for the sort of you know, we don't 578 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 2: want our tax gord dollars they spent. They want it's 579 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 2: spent on us. Or it's more of an internally minded 580 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 2: sort of America first ideology. 581 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 3: Yep. 582 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: And they're straight up antisemitic bigotry as well. 583 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 2: But there has been that solidarity shift as well. 584 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, like there has been that, like a global solidarity, 585 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: and like even as a millennial, right, like from the 586 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 1: age of thirteen, right when I was a kid, when 587 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: nine to eleven happened, and even I guess the first 588 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: War in the Persian Gulf. The media project of most 589 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: of the nations in which I've lived has been to 590 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: demonize Muslim people, people specifically living in the Middle East, right. 591 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's it's more of a racialized tree than 592 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 2: a particularly religious milia tree. I mean, it does take 593 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 2: that religious courting, and there are religion specific elements to 594 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 2: the bigatory, but it does tend to be more racialized 595 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 2: that yeah, because I already know that some people will 596 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 2: be like, oh, well, I just don't like Islam as 597 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 2: because of its authoritarian and inclinations. 598 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 3: Where the case. 599 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 2: Maybe, but it's a bit more than just religious beast bigotry. 600 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, it's not just a philosophical disagreement, right, 601 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: Like it took on, like you say, this racial character 602 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: and so like to see people noting their common humanity. 603 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: Like I was just talking to someone about this the 604 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: other day. You familiar with miss Rachel? Yeah, yeah, Like 605 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: it is inconceivable. It would have been inconceivable when I 606 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: was in high school that an American children's entertainer would 607 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: be like, well, I guess you had the Dixie Chicks, 608 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: But it's not the same. It would would be like continually, 609 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: not to take away from what they did. I think 610 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: they were very brave actually, but you know, to be 611 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: able to stand up for the lives of young children 612 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: in Palestine so consistently, yeah, so vociferously for so long, 613 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,399 Speaker 1: that's very hot. That gives me, you know, a great 614 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: sense of hope. 615 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 616 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 2: Really, I think as an indication of just how much 617 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 2: there has been a shift, and of course she has 618 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 2: been bullied and targeted relentlessly since. But yeah, you know, 619 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 2: it does indicate that people are willing to vice that 620 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 2: kind of bullying and these that kind of attack that 621 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 2: I suppose segment of empire for the sake of stand off. 622 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 3: What's right? 623 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I guess I think it's so it's impressive 624 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: right that, like, yeah, people have bullied and attacked her, 625 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: but like, also she has been so brave and so 626 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: consistent and not just miss Rachel. To be clear, there 627 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: are many many other people who've done this and has 628 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: been able to continue to do that because so many 629 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: people have been like, no, these are just children. Where 630 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: the fuck you? Why are you arguing that it's wrong 631 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: to say we shouldn't kill children? What the fuck is 632 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: wrong with you? Yet a lot of people showed up 633 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: against the war in Iraq too, But like, it's good 634 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: to see that that media project has not succeeded, because 635 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: it's been two decades my life that it's been trying 636 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 1: to succeed. 637 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that we've been seeing so very familiar 638 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 2: dynamics across the jibisical crises that I've sort of mentioned there. 639 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 2: We have this external patronage of global powers and regional 640 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 2: powers that seem to be sustaining these fights that were 641 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 2: in lives over years, because if they wouldn't getting that 642 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 2: constant flow of money for weapons and weapons support and 643 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,240 Speaker 2: military support, these wars will not be able to last 644 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 2: as long as they have, you know. But it's these 645 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 2: outside actors in Sudan and in Palestine that are supporting 646 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 2: the fight and supporting the barrage important to suffering, and 647 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 2: not supporting the aid necessary to support people. You know, 648 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 2: there's been a very slow and insufficient piece of humanity 649 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 2: response due to funding gaps, access constraints, and the politicization 650 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 2: of aid. And there are people who have managed to 651 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 2: act directly, not waiting for any official channels. In the 652 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,919 Speaker 2: case of the flotilla, something else that happened this year 653 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 2: that I found particularly admirable, But it hasn't been enough 654 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 2: so far. It hasn't broken through quite yet, and people 655 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 2: are still without much of the necessary aid it will 656 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 2: sustain even their survival. We also see that even as 657 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,720 Speaker 2: these wars are ragion in these regions, in many cases 658 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 2: the extraction is continuing, particularly in Congo and Sudan, yeah, 659 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 2: I think it's very critical that we continue to speak 660 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 2: out against these wars as we get into twenty twenty six, 661 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 2: where we see them, we document what's happening, We keep 662 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,439 Speaker 2: a record offline of what's going on in dependently because 663 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 2: another thing I've noticed this year is how blatantly the 664 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 2: news media is showing its colors, you know. And that's 665 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 2: where independent media is meant to fill the gaps, even 666 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 2: though it may not have as many resources as industream media, 667 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 2: you know, So things like this podcast is Herefore, it's 668 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 2: something that I think when the listeners can take responsibility 669 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,800 Speaker 2: in being part of in gathering information and archiving information, 670 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 2: in sharing sources and direct connects so that the information 671 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 2: gets out there. And so as we wrap up this 672 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 2: retrospective for twenty twenty five, two things in particular stand 673 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 2: out to me. One is that our system is brittle 674 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 2: as hell, and two that people are resilient as hell 675 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 2: and taken together, I believe it's an indication that we 676 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 2: are indeed in a world of transition, and it's still 677 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 2: uncertain and as to how it will turn out, the 678 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 2: future hasn't been written yet, We don't know. We do 679 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 2: have the ability to choose what we do next. So 680 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 2: if you look towards a new year, think about something 681 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 2: you want to build or strengthen, whether it be a skill, 682 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 2: a relationship, a practice, a project of some kind that 683 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 2: conceive you and those around you going forward. That's what 684 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 2: I have for today. 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