1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: noon Pacific. Find your local station for the Herd at 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: or FSR. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: Ah. Here we go on to Thursday. A lot more 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: stuff to talk about than I thought we'd have to 12 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: talk about, but all sorts of things happening, the combustability rating, 13 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: the combustibility factor. In Pittsburgh, we got a controversy with 14 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: the Steelers, So nice to have you in today. So 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: I can I can argue over the last you know, 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years. The greatest Pittsburgh Steeler is Big Ben Roethlisberger, 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: and James Harrison's on a short list of the second 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: best player. Great players. Well, they have podcasts, and they've 19 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: gone on those podcasts over the last year or two 20 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: and been critical of Mike Tomlin and the Steelers. And 21 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: by the way, their message is pretty smart. Their message 22 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: to me was spot on. But according to Joey Porter Senior, 23 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: whose son plays for the Steelers, so you know he 24 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: gets very emotional. Joey Porter Senior says Big Ben, who 25 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: he calls number seven and James Harrison broke the brotherhood. 26 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: He used his brotherhood in the Arctic line, reading like 27 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: seven times. So just remember that word. Here is Joey 28 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: Porter Senior mad at James Harrison and number seven big Ben. 29 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: Seven definitely broke the brotherhood because. 30 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 4: Like that's the one I don't understand. 31 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: The seven dude that did that. We don't talk about 32 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: it now is crazy. 33 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 3: He should never grab a microphone and really talk still 34 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: a business because if we talk and still a business, 35 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 3: his ass is foul of all foul. He's not a 36 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 3: good teammate. Won a Super Bowl, would he? But the 37 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 3: person he's just not a good teammate, Like he knows that. 38 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 3: Anybody in the Steller building knows that. 39 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: But we protected him. Well. If James Harrison and Big 40 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: Ben don't buy into the brotherhood his word, maybe the 41 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: brotherhood's not that important. I also know Big Ben and 42 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: James Harrison hit when you start attacking the messengers and 43 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: not the message they're onto something that brotherhood couldn't beat 44 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: Blake Bortles at home in the playoffs or Baker Mayfield 45 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: that brotherhood in the last eleven games against playoff teams 46 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: one and tending fifteen points, giving up twenty eight. The 47 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: Steelers culture forever under Tomlin was talent and toughness. I 48 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: like those qualities, and I guess brotherhood. But with the 49 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: Chiefs and the Seahawks and mcvay's rams and Shanahan's forty 50 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,839 Speaker 1: nine Ers, I get the toughness and the talent too, 51 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: but I get discipline and schemes like smart football. Have 52 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: you ever noticed over the last ten years, as football 53 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: has gotten much smarter, more motion, more deception, more looks. 54 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: There are so many great coaches out there, Tomiko, Ryans, 55 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: Mike McDonald on the defensive side, mcveay Shanahan offensive side. 56 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: Have you noticed during that time the Steelers have become 57 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: less relevant? That's why I defended old guy Aaron Rodgers 58 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: this year. Was he part of the brotherhood? No, he 59 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: was the new guy, but the offense finally looked like 60 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: grown ups. Fewer penalties, fewer turnovers. Aaron Rodgers, the new 61 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: guy walked in at forty two, and it's like, oh, 62 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: this is despite having some limitations at wide receiver. You're like, oh, 63 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: this is how an offense should function. That Steeler brotherhood 64 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: has not beaten a top ten quarterback in the playoffs 65 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: in fifteen years. And Big Ben and James Harrison called 66 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: it out. You know, Mike Tomlin, bottom ten offense seven years? 67 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: Why not innovative, not creative? You can win with defense. 68 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: Seattle did it, but a sophisticated, sophisticated, progressive new approach. 69 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: New looks not just what the Steelers do. Let's spend 70 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: more money. The Steelers pass defense this past year twenty 71 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: ninth defensively. How's that brotherhood thing working? I don't know, 72 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: Big Ben and James Harrison, and it takes some courage 73 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: to do this, pushed back on very popular Mike Tomlin 74 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: pushed back on this organization which keeps everything in house. 75 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: I'm not into that. I'm about beating teams in February, 76 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: in January top quarterbacks. So I mean this whole thing 77 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,559 Speaker 1: about talent and toughness. Everybody in the NFL is tough. 78 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: Everybody in the NFL has talent. Even called it brotherhood. 79 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: But if Big Ben and James Harrison are saying things, 80 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: they shouldn't. To me, that's the underlying problem. What Joey 81 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,799 Speaker 1: Porter's saying is, hey, nothing leaves house. That's the problem. 82 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: You don't discuss real problems, you don't put them out there, 83 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: you don't take criticism. Well, you get stubborn and rigid, 84 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: and the way we used to do it, it's the 85 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: way we do it. They brought in forty two year 86 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: old Aaron Rodgers, old guy in one off season. He 87 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: fixed the offense to the degree anybody could fix that 88 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: offense where you didn't have a number two receiver. So 89 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to defend Big Ben and James Harrison going 90 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: out and saying there's some issues here, and some of 91 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: them were Mike Tomlin. It should be noted Mike Tomlin 92 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: no longer coaches, So Big Ben and James Harrison aren't 93 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: the only people that wanted to bring that up. Drew 94 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: Brees was on the show yesterday and he was great, 95 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: And I was at the end of the show and 96 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: I said, Drew, if you look at your career and 97 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: you look at Super Bowl champion Sam Darnold's career and 98 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: all the turbulence you both had early, does Sam's career 99 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: remind you drew a little of your early career. 100 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 5: All the lessons that we hope to teach our kids 101 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 5: through sports and through team athletics, and that is that 102 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 5: you will face adversity, you will face failure and disappointment, 103 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 5: and it's how you react to it that matters. And 104 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 5: while it didn't work at the first couple teams that 105 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 5: he went to, he continued to work. He continued to 106 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 5: recognize where he needed to get better and learn. While 107 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 5: it wasn't maybe the road that he would have envisioned 108 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 5: when he first got in the league, it was meant 109 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 5: to be and it's what has brought out the best 110 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 5: in him and allowed him to play the way that 111 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 5: he has, lead the way that he has and also 112 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 5: inspire others the way that he has. 113 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: Drew said, Yeah, when I watched Donald, I thought of 114 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: my early years. And you know what, Drew Breeese's comments 115 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: made me think of, not Donald arch Manning all these 116 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: college quarterbacks now. The minute they have a bad week 117 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: or get bad news, I'm out of here. Give me 118 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: a paycheck, I'm out of here. And there are times 119 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: I think college quarterbacks should transfer. Cam Ward at Washington 120 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: State gets a Miami Hurricane offer you take it. Trinidad Chambliss, 121 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: great quarterback at Old Miss, came from Farris State. You 122 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: take that offer and go to the SEC. But arch 123 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: Manning never left. He had to sit for two years 124 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: at Texas, and then when he finally played, it was rough. 125 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: He got crushed. He was bad, and he stayed there. 126 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: He hung in. He was tough. And did you watch 127 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: his last five or six games in the SEC? Five 128 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: and one beat A and M and Ole Miss or 129 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: excuse me, A and M and Vandy five and one, 130 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: twenty touchdowns, two picks, three hundred and twenty yards a game. 131 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: He overcame, He endured, he had to sit. I watched 132 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: these five star quarterbacks. If they're not starting by their 133 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: red shirt freshman year, I'm out of here. The first 134 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: sign of adversity in the NIL world. I am out 135 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: of here. You doing understand the NFL is adversity. I mean, God, 136 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: Belichick and Brady never had dinner for twenty years. It 137 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: can be grumpy, it can be harsh, it can be punitive, 138 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: it can be tough. You can be injured. Every time 139 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 1: we bring on an NFL player who's even thirty years old, 140 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: he's on his ninth surgery. So when I'm watching Drew 141 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: Brees talk about Sam Darnold, it makes me think of 142 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: arch Manning. That is the one five star quarterback that 143 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: I can think of top of mind, who could have 144 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: transferred multiple times, who had to sit behind a guy. 145 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: I'm absolutely convinced he's more talented than God beat up 146 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: when he played, was really bad and just hung in, 147 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: head down, put in the work, didn't sulk, and at 148 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: the end of this past year is really good. 149 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 6: Too. 150 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: Many young quarterbacks see adversity and they scramble. They're just running, 151 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: and they don't know where they're running. They're just running. 152 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying you shouldn't transfer again. If you're 153 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: at a small school and get at Oklahoma to call, 154 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: you should go. I'm not saying that that's opportunity. If 155 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: you're at Farris State and the SEC calls, or you're 156 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: at cal and Indiana's got money with Kurt Signetty like 157 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: you do, I get it go. But there's I'm telling 158 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 1: you when people are banging on arch Manning and say 159 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: some article was the biggest bust ever, I'm like about 160 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: half these five star quarterbacks if they're not playing through 161 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: one year they're out the door. Thanks for flying United, 162 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: get me where I can play. We're going to look 163 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: back in about ten years, fifteen years at how many 164 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: of those get me out of here guys did. And 165 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: my guess is arch Manning will be better than most. 166 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: All right, j Mac, there's some you know sometimes during 167 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl Week a lot of stories get buried. Yeah, 168 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: the Jonathan kaminga Steve Kerr Warrior story got buried. It 169 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: is fascinating what's going on? Then got that thing got ugly. 170 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 4: I think that Ara is over real quick. On arch Manning. 171 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 7: If the Jets have any clue out of tank, they 172 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 7: will tank the entire season and get arch Manning. 173 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 4: We've screwed this up before. We had to settle for Zach. 174 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 7: Wilson instead of Trevor Lawrence, and this year we're settling 175 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 7: for no quarterback instead of Fernando Mendoza. If the Jets 176 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 7: want a quarterback and a future in this league, they 177 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 7: got to tank the right way. 178 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 4: Even if it's not Art, it's going to be someone else. 179 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 4: Would you agree on that? 180 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? 181 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: I don't think Aaron Glenn has to try to tank. 182 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 4: Come on, you're taking jats at Aaron Glen every day. 183 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: I mean, if you don't have an interception as a 184 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: defensive coach and playing the same division as Tua, you know, 185 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: I think you're tanking without trying, and that's what the 186 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: Jets are doing. 187 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 7: Although maybe, hey, maybe there's a chance that the Raiders 188 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 7: don't take Mendoza and the Jets get. 189 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 4: Him at two. 190 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 7: I mean, based on yesterday's talk, and I ran into 191 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 7: a guy at the gym who's a big Raiders guy. 192 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 4: He doesn't want Mendoza, Like, what are you I'm talking of? 193 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't care. 194 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 4: Losing their mind. 195 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. 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You 215 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 8: do it today and you can check all of those 216 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 8: out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you 217 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 8: get your podcasts. 218 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: You're now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by Credible 219 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: Great Rates None of the bull. So I've been doing 220 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: this about thirty years, thirty five years, and I always 221 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: felt kind of my responsibility is to form relationships in 222 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: athletic departments, form relationships in professional league scouting departments. So 223 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: I have the most informed opinions. Now I do three 224 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: hours a day. Some of it's just my gut instinct 225 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: or my eyes, but a lot of times if I 226 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: have my strongest opinions. I remember when t Bow was 227 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: on a hot streak and I was like this isn't 228 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: going to last. And I had somebody inside the Denver 229 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: locker room saying, dude, can't play. He's not an NFL. 230 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: Don't listen to all the nonsense, whether it was Darnald 231 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: over Baker was Herbert over Tua. Through the years, I've 232 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: relied on scouts often with my strongest opinions. They get 233 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: backed by people in the league. So my scouting guys. 234 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: Sometimes there's a problem when I like a player way 235 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: more than my scouts do, or I don't like a 236 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: player as much as my scouts do. And that's where 237 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza like. I like Fernando Mendoza a lot. Everybody 238 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: else just kind of likes him. Albert Breer came on 239 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: the show yesterday and this is kind of the universal 240 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: opinion I hear about the Hoo's your quarterback. 241 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 6: Two years ago, when Caleb Williams went first, Jaydon Daniels 242 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 6: went second, Drake May went third, Pennix went eighth, McCarthy 243 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 6: went tenth, and Nix went twelfth. The consensus I've gotten 244 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 6: is that he would have been the fourth of those quarterbacks, 245 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 6: so right in the middle. I think most teams like 246 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 6: the makeup they like how much he's won. They like 247 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 6: the accuracy, but is he physically what you know? Say 248 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 6: Drake was coming out of North Carolina, or Jade Daniels 249 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 6: was coming at LSU, or Caleb Williams was coming out 250 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 6: of USC, He's. 251 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: Not that Okay. When I watch him, here's what I see. Bigger, stronger, 252 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: more athletic version of Matt Ryan. That's what he looks like. Well, 253 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan is ninth all time in passing yards and 254 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: top ten all time in touchdown passes, got to a 255 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: Super Bowl and led twenty eight to three, has an 256 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: MVP season behind him, fifteen years, four Pro bowls, So 257 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: add thirty percent to that because I think Mendoza has 258 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: got He's a little bigger, he moves a little better, 259 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: and I think he's got a slightly stronger arm. So 260 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: I think Matt Ryan you can build a franchise around 261 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: and get to Super Bowls with. In fact, I think 262 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: largely the Falcons failed Matt Ryan. He didn't fail them. 263 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: He was a very good quarterback. So and again Matt Ryan. Plus, 264 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: I remember when CJ. Stroud came out and everybody said 265 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: Jared Goff's is comp and I'm like, yeah, that's an 266 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: accurate comp. Jared Goff gets to Super Bowl. He got 267 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: to a super Bowl. Jared Goff's top ten twelve quarterback 268 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: in the league. That's what everybody's trying to get. So 269 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: it's interesting though I like him a lot. Everybody kind 270 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: of likes him. To knock on him is he's not 271 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: super athletic. It should be noted Lamar Jackson is and 272 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: Josh Allen is and they haven't gotten to a super Bowl. 273 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: The athletic thing. We talk about Sam Donald's athletic How 274 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: many times did he scramble in that game? How many 275 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: times did Sam Donald scrambled in the Super Bowl? Couple 276 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: what he mostly did, He commanded the game, managed the game, 277 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: and didn't use his hyper athleticism. I'll admit Mendoza's not 278 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: super athletic, but I mean, I think his athleticism, I 279 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: don't think he's justin Herbert athletic, but he's big and 280 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: strong like Herbert. So I see a better version of 281 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan. And Matt Ryan's was really good. It was 282 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: a really good quarterback. 283 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 284 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 2: in neon eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports radio 285 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 286 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah works at the NFL Network. He's got a podcast, 287 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: It's a good one. Move the Sticks. His twenty fourth 288 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: NFL combine coming up. Somebody we rely on and trust 289 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: as the NFL season ends. You know, it's interesting, Daniel. 290 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: You know this a lot of times the free agent 291 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: market can be initiated and propelled because there are weaknesses 292 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: in the draft. So it's obviously if you look, I 293 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: mean there's some really good edge rushers, it's a pretty 294 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: good d line draft. I think in the first round 295 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: at least, there's some nice offensive taps, a couple of Utah. 296 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: Maybe where is the draft lacking in your opinion, which 297 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: will increase the activity in free agency in March. 298 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 9: Well, I will give you two positions, Colin. First of all, 299 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 9: the running back position. Draft wise, I think we have 300 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 9: one first round caliber back, and then I think there's 301 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 9: a chance we don't see one even going the second round, 302 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 9: and we'll see a flurry of them there after at 303 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 9: that point. So I think there's a really good crop 304 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 9: of free agent running backs which is going to inform 305 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 9: maybe some franchise tag opportunities for teams or teams are 306 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 9: going to be aggressive and going out and paying some 307 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 9: of these young veterans that are on the market. And 308 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 9: then the obvious elephant in the room is the quarterback. 309 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 9: I mean there's one for sure quarterback who everybody believes, 310 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 9: myself included, goes one to one, and then there's a 311 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 9: conversation on Ty Simpson and where does he fit into 312 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 9: this whole thing. But when you have one and a 313 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 9: half first round caliber quarterbacks and there's a lot of 314 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 9: teams out there that haven't need at the position, it's 315 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 9: good to be the Malik Willis's. It's good to be 316 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 9: the Niners holding on to Mac Jones to see what 317 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 9: comes their way as well. 318 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:12,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's get to two evals. I like Fernanda 319 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: Minosa kind of more than everybody else does. I don't 320 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: think he's Andrew Luck or Sam Darnold athleticism, but I think. 321 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:24,479 Speaker 9: We were. 322 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: The staff showed me something this morning, Tom to LESCo, 323 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: our friend said Matt Ryan. I think he's bigger, stronger, 324 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: and more athletic than Matt Ryan. Although I think that's 325 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: a good comp I think he is a if he 326 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: gets decent coaching, he is a plus player. He's a 327 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: franchise guy. I'll make a couple of Pro Bowls, maybe several, 328 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: three or four? 329 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 3: Is that? 330 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 9: I mean? 331 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: I think he's big, accurate. He's been bloodied his lip 332 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: multiple times. He's Some say that Indiana offense is too simplistic, 333 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,479 Speaker 1: maybe they need what do you see? 334 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 9: Well, yeah, I talked to Tom and I actually I 335 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 9: told him I was going to steal some of that 336 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 9: with with Matt Ryan because I do like that just 337 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 9: in terms of kind of the grittiness, toughness aspect of it. 338 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 9: I look at quarterbacks almost in terms of families as 339 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 9: opposed to just like that single comp. I think if 340 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 9: you had kind of that Jared Goff Matt Ryan family, 341 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 9: he kind of fits into that family. Whether or not 342 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 9: whether or not he's a brother or a cousin. I'll 343 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 9: let everybody else figure that out. But that's kind of 344 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 9: the style of quarterback that he is. And for the 345 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 9: evaluation part of it, look when you go through and 346 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 9: you watch third and seven plus throws, which weeds out 347 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 9: all the RPOs that everybody you know complains about. When 348 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 9: you go look at him in the red zone, when 349 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 9: you go look at him in big games, when you 350 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 9: look at him on big moments. See the end of 351 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 9: the Penn State game, see the National Championship game. This 352 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 9: guy stepped up and done it every single time. So 353 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 9: I'm a huge believer in him. And I would also say, 354 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 9: for as much grief as as everybody has, all this 355 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 9: this problem with the transfer portal, what the transfer portal 356 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 9: has done for the evaluation process. We've seen bo Nix 357 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 9: with inferior players at Auburn. Then go play with good 358 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 9: players at Oregon and look at the play and look 359 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 9: what you get there. We saw cam Ward is it 360 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 9: incarnate word to Washington State. All of a sudden he 361 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 9: gets with Miami and look what he does with real players. 362 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 9: Now we're seeing with Mendoza, who is a good player 363 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,479 Speaker 9: at Cal, but he gets a great coach and a 364 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 9: great infrastructure, and the guy goes undefeated, wins the Heisman 365 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 9: Trophy in the National Championship. 366 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: So I thought Jackson Dart was more of a top 367 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: of the second round guy. He went in the first 368 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: and had a good year. I was wrong. I think 369 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: Ty Simpson feels like a top of the second round guy. 370 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: But I could see the Rams taking him. They got 371 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: two first. How do you evaluate Ty Simpson at Bama. 372 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 9: Yeah, he's my fortieth player, you know, as we are 373 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 9: in the process right now, which I wouldn't look if 374 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 9: somebody wants take him with the twenty fifth pick, that's 375 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 9: not that out of a realm of possibility, and I 376 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 9: would think that's not really a reach based off how 377 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 9: I evaluate him. I don't think he's one of those 378 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 9: quarterbacks you drop into any of the thirty two rooms 379 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 9: and he's going to have success, you know, in any system, 380 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 9: any supporting cast. I do think he need to protect him. 381 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 9: He's mechanically sound, he throws a nice ball, he's got 382 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 9: touch and accuracy, but when bodies get around him, I 383 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 9: thought there's times he played a little small, and then 384 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 9: the guy's only started fifteen games and he's been beat up. 385 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 9: So those are the negative sides of it. That's why 386 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 9: I kind of slot him outside my top thirty two. 387 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 9: But if you're the Rams, you got a great offensive line. 388 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 9: He doesn't have to step in and play right away. 389 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 9: So that lack of experience, we can kind of give 390 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 9: you some of that in our system before we needed 391 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 9: you to play, I could, you know, I can understand that. 392 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go back. This is always fun. Sam Darnold, 393 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: go back online, tell me what your evaluation was. 394 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 9: Well, we used to be hidden underneath my bed for 395 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 9: a couple of years. Column when my report now it 396 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 9: hangs up next to my diploma on the wall, I'm 397 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 9: going to have it engraved. But no, I look, he 398 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 9: was my top quarterback in that draft class. And I 399 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 9: was actually talking about him the year before because he 400 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 9: has that Rose Bowl game, you know, against Saquon Barkley 401 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 9: and Penn State and that epic comeback. He makes some 402 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 9: big time throws in that game, and I had mentioned 403 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 9: it the combine before he was draft eligible, like, this 404 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 9: is the guy everybody's talking about is next years quarterback, 405 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 9: you know, in Sam Darnold because of you know, just 406 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 9: kind of the natural way he plays the game. The 407 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 9: ball explodes out of his hand. He's just a real 408 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 9: He's just a real, fluid, natural athlete who's got an 409 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 9: explosive arm. And he went to a tough situation and 410 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 9: you know, I do you know, Look, I'm so happy 411 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 9: for him because he's such a good dude, and I 412 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 9: have always believed in the ability. But I don't agree 413 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 9: with the well, you know, the Jets, they should have 414 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 9: just stayed there eventually would have happened. I think he 415 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 9: needed to get out of New York. Yeah, I think 416 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 9: he needed to get somewhere else. I think that was 417 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 9: good for him, and I think being around Shanahan that time, 418 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 9: there was an incredibly smart decision on his part, knowing that, look, 419 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 9: I'm going to soak up everything this guy has. Not 420 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 9: only is it going to help me learn football, but 421 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 9: then there's also the reality that this is the offensive 422 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 9: system that half the league runs because they all come 423 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 9: from underneath his tree. So for him to have the 424 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 9: maturity to take a step back and learn that, I 425 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 9: thought that that that's one of the reasons why he 426 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 9: is where he is. 427 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: You know how good John Snyder is. I was just wondering. 428 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: This popped into my head. When you look at the Seahawks, 429 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: he's gone like eight for his last eight or nine 430 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: for his last nine. On first and second round guys 431 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: like not only doesn't miss like they all become really good, 432 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: some become incredibly special. And I think that the safety 433 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: from South Carolina. People said right after the draft, that's 434 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: that guy's going to be a star. That's one of 435 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: the easier second round guys. Does he have a theme? 436 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: I mean, why is he such a good drafter you've 437 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: been doing this? Is there something he does that other 438 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: gms don't do? I mean, we're putting it up now. 439 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to the radio audience, We're putting it on television. 440 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: It's just no missus, like you tell me what's his 441 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: secret to this stuff? 442 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 9: Well, he lets the draft fall to him, you know, 443 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 9: for one, like Emon Warrior, I think was my fifteenth 444 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 9: or sixteenth overall player. I'm not saying everybody has it 445 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 9: the same, but this guy was a first round talent 446 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 9: who just kind of fell to him, so he took 447 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 9: him there. But when you start looking at guys who 448 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 9: when I was in Baltimore, we had a red Star 449 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 9: meeting where you would go through and each scout could 450 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 9: put a red star on one player in the draft. 451 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 9: Didn't necessarily mean they were the best player, but they 452 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 9: were the guy that was just the most competitive. We 453 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 9: talked like he played like a raven, like he fit us. 454 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 9: And when you look through like JSN ultra competitive, tough, physical, 455 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 9: Gray's abel you go to the Senior Bowl. He took 456 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 9: nine million reps. Everybody's trying to go against him, and 457 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 9: he slaughtered everybody like super super competitive, on and on 458 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 9: and on. Kenneth Walker uplifted that entire Michigan State program 459 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 9: on his shoulders, Like these guys are all guys, are 460 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 9: passionate love football, and there's no turds, there's no jerks, 461 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 9: there's no selfishness in that group. They're all good dudes, 462 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 9: good competitive dudes. That that, to me is the overall theme. 463 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh. I want to I want to ask 464 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: you about the Chargers because you work on their broadcast 465 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: and we said, I said, you lose Jesse Mintor, your 466 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: defense probably not quite as good. You gain Mike McDaniel. 467 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: You'll be a much more effect passing offense. Plus you 468 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: get your tackles back. Plus the Chargers have cap space. 469 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: I mean, this is conjecture and projecting, but Jamack and 470 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 1: I agree on one thing. Next year is that the 471 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 1: Chargers will go from a team that was surviving on 472 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: offense and flourishing on defense. Or the offense could be 473 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: spectacular next year and the defense may I mean Mentor 474 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: was a really really good defensive coordinator. You tell me, 475 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: with the Chargers with that cap space and Mike McDaniel, 476 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 1: what do you think they'll target in the draft. And 477 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: what will they look like next year because we both 478 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: believe Week one you're going to watch the Chargers and go, okay, 479 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: this is the hardball Herbert thing that we thought we'd 480 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: get this year. 481 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 9: Well, Colin, I think when you look at free agency, 482 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 9: I could see them targeting interior offensive line. When you 483 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 9: look at the draft, I could see them targeting interior 484 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 9: offensive line. We look at the trade market, we could 485 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 9: also target the interior of the offensive line. When the 486 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 9: draft's over and you want to bring in some extra bodies, 487 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 9: we'll bring in some more interior offensive line. So I 488 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 9: mean that is that is that is priority A, B 489 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 9: and C, and it's providing overall depth of that offensive line. 490 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 9: Having investing in a third tackle that you really really 491 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 9: like so that you're not you're covered. I think if 492 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 9: they if they have an offensive line that's healthy and deep, 493 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 9: because the tackles are two of the best in football, 494 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 9: So just healthy and deep along the interior, having a 495 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 9: third tackle out there that can withstand some injuries. All 496 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 9: these young guys, these skill guys on offense, these first 497 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 9: and second year players that they've drafted with Joe Ortiz 498 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 9: there are awesome like McConkey, I think you'll see him 499 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 9: go to another level in this system. Quentin Johnson, you know, 500 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 9: for all the abuse he caught for, you know, some 501 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 9: of the drops early on, is a functional, solid player. Yes, 502 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 9: Trey Harris, the rookie Ole Miss made some big catches. 503 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 9: A Ronde Gadsden is a talented rookie tight end. Omarion 504 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 9: Hampton could be one of the top five backs in 505 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 9: the league. These guys are all on rookie contracts. They 506 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 9: cost you nothing, So to me, it's really about just 507 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 9: getting this offensive line locked in. And then defensively, you've 508 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 9: got young corners. Derwin's still playing in elite level You've 509 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 9: got to sign. You know, You've got some free agents 510 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 9: on the edge with Oway and Mac but they have 511 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 9: plenty of space to do that. Maybe a defensive tackle, 512 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,959 Speaker 9: you know, or two in freegency of the draft, But 513 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 9: I don't know. If I mentioned it, Colin, I would 514 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 9: probably address the interior of the offensive line absolutely. 515 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: And finally, just because somebody gets draft at number one 516 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're the best player. It's usually a quarterback 517 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: because it's a quarterback star of league. Is there a 518 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: best player in the draft, Like everybody talks rble Reese. 519 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: And my take is, well, the position he'll play in 520 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: the NFL may not be quite what he's doing now. 521 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: He's going to get bigger. It could be edge. I 522 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: look at Baine at Miami and I'm like, oh, that's 523 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: fully formed. That guy's going to walk in and play. 524 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: I think actually Miami's got an offensive lineman that feels 525 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: like you can put him at guard tackle like that 526 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: dude's going to start day one. I think that running 527 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: back from Notre Dame looks like that, like, oh, that 528 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: guy's going to pop. Is there a guy if you 529 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: just said best player can't miss, because all quarterbacks can miss, 530 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: even the good ones early, who's the can't miss in 531 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:58,479 Speaker 1: the draft? 532 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 9: Well, I mean i'd have love up there, you know, 533 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 9: the running back from Notre Dame. I still, you know, 534 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 9: normally I am true to the grade. So even if 535 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 9: you know, I know cam Ward is going to be 536 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 9: the first pick, he might be my fourth or fifth 537 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 9: player in the draft. So that's not you know, it's 538 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 9: rare that you kind of have the quarterback just in 539 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 9: this draft because you know there's flaws in all of 540 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 9: these guys. You know, bans not the prototypical you know, 541 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 9: you know, arm length and all the other stuff that 542 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 9: comes along with that that you can put holes in 543 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 9: all of them. To me and Mendoza, I'm like, he's 544 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 9: one of the years where I think he is the 545 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 9: best player in the draft of my opinion, and I 546 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 9: do think he is one of the safer picks in 547 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 9: this year's draft. That's just kind of the way I 548 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 9: look at it. I don't know, I think you got 549 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 9: to get really, really nitpicky to poke holes in him. 550 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 9: I think he's got a chance to be a really 551 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 9: good player, and that's why I happened with my number 552 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 9: one guy. 553 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so its Fernando Mendoza, Daniel, How does he compare 554 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: to Drake May? Is he in that class? Drake May's 555 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: more athletic. I mean, he's a better mover, But are 556 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: they kind of close? 557 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 9: I would have those three guys from that draft just 558 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 9: grade wise coming into the process over him. So I 559 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 9: had it Caleb Drake, Jayden Daniels, all three of those 560 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 9: guys would carry a higher grade than Mendoza. But in 561 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 9: this draft class, there's nobody else that I would put, 562 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 9: you know, up there at other positions higher than the 563 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 9: level that he's at. I don't think he's as natural 564 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 9: as Drake. Drake's just it was so athletic and I 565 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 9: mean and just had just such a good feel for 566 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 9: movement and getting around things and making things happen. I 567 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 9: don't think he's quite I think he's a little more robotic, 568 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 9: is why I would describe Mendoza. 569 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. Great seeing you as Allays, 570 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: my man. 571 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 9: Good to see you, buddy. Hey, the Dodgers haven't spent 572 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 9: any more money in the last five minutes, so there's that. 573 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: Listen, this is this is a pro Dodger show. I'll 574 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: take you gross. 575 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 9: It's gross. 576 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah