Speaker 1: Okay, podcast starts. Now, what's up everyone? Um Happy Tuesday.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Stradio Lab, the only podcast in which
Speaker 1: two days unpacked straight culture but also not really um
Speaker 1: man to think that you're saying happy Tuesday? Really, oh
Speaker 1: my god? You know what's about to happen? Is your
Speaker 1: sister really walking literally about to walk it? Okay? For
Speaker 1: the listeners at home, George said, Okay, we're gonna start,
Speaker 1: and you know what's gonna happen As soon as we start,
Speaker 1: My sister is gonna walk in the door because she's visiting,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have to stop. And so what's happening
Speaker 1: right now is you guys have a direct view to
Speaker 1: the event that is about to happen. You can see
Speaker 1: my front door. I can see the front door. It's shaking,
Speaker 1: it's wobbling. She's banging on it. Oh it's unlocking. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. And she's like, first had to have an
Speaker 1: unlock a door. Okay, this is really anti climactic. It
Speaker 1: would actually be great at the door did open on
Speaker 1: que and there it is, and there she is. Hi
Speaker 1: where Okay, she's getting water. This is an amazing little artifact.
Speaker 1: They can't tell if this is going to stay in.
Speaker 1: Part of me wants it to because I'm obsessed with
Speaker 1: the podcast as a document. But I know George is
Speaker 1: going to lean towards sort of cutting this out because
Speaker 1: it is kind of I don't know. I I think, um,
Speaker 1: I think there's something to it. I think there's something
Speaker 1: to it too. I think it's raw. I think it's
Speaker 1: like no one sees this side of George that to
Speaker 1: me that has a family as a family, I like that.
Speaker 1: I think it's so funny too that your sister walks
Speaker 1: in and you're like, you do stop, you turn around,
Speaker 1: but there's not like uh huh, like there's no like warmth.
Speaker 1: So you're just like, well there is one. No. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's tough because, like you know, when you're suddenly torn
Speaker 1: between two worlds. It's like when your college friends meet
Speaker 1: your comedy friends, or when your family meets your you know,
Speaker 1: significant other or something. I was like, suddenly the curtain
Speaker 1: was up, and I'm recording a podcast at the same
Speaker 1: time as I'm I would otherwise be warmly welcoming my
Speaker 1: sister into my apartment and I and I froze. My
Speaker 1: sister had very close I would normally get up and
Speaker 1: give her a hug and welcome her. But I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I can't. It doesn't seem authentic for suddenly, if I
Speaker 1: did that, it would be like performing. So I literally
Speaker 1: just turned around, looked at her, didn't even say a word. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I over as you like checked in. Now, well
Speaker 1: this is what I'm kind of confused by it because
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm gonna get water. But then she
Speaker 1: walked into the closed door, so there is still the
Speaker 1: possibility at some point she'll come out to get water. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this could be a sort of an episode longum
Speaker 1: gag if you will. Is the sister in the background
Speaker 1: that you can't here necessarily but you can know is
Speaker 1: there because we're telling that's right, she is there. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So I mean at this point, what there's no way
Speaker 1: to rebound from that? No, I think there's a way.
Speaker 1: I think I want to talk about the thing that
Speaker 1: you just said about, like when you feel the need
Speaker 1: to perform and that makes you not want to perform
Speaker 1: because you don't want to be performative. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm like that at like birthdays sometimes or holidays where
Speaker 1: we'll be like you're supposed to be really smiling and
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be big, but and I'll be like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be that, so I want to be
Speaker 1: the opposite of that. But then I'm like, but now
Speaker 1: I'm being rude and I don't want to be rude,
Speaker 1: but it's too late because I already started being rude. Okay.
Speaker 1: You know what's a um A kind of element of
Speaker 1: that is like phrases and actions that have become so
Speaker 1: associated with the fake versions, like things you see on
Speaker 1: TV and film, that they can never feel authentic. Can
Speaker 1: you ever feel authentic saying the words I love you?
Speaker 1: Or is it literally like you are saying something that
Speaker 1: is in a movie? Can you ever feel authentic being
Speaker 1: like like giving a wedding toast or even frankly getting married? Like,
Speaker 1: like can any can? It is impossible. It's like to
Speaker 1: live in a world that is media saturated means that
Speaker 1: you experience more things as artificial than as real. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was at a funeral a few weeks ago and
Speaker 1: I was like, this is like a movie. This isn't real.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even I'm even acting like I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to act in a movie, like a so weird
Speaker 1: from us by literally Paramount plus and you know, God
Speaker 1: bless him. Uh. And the worst part of that is
Speaker 1: when people don't have that knowledge of like I'm acting
Speaker 1: like I'm in a movie, and they just do it
Speaker 1: because they're like, this is how humans act. And it's like, no,
Speaker 1: you're being told to act this way. People don't my
Speaker 1: Walt Disney, I know it's um, do you know what's
Speaker 1: so great? I mean, God, I of course it's not
Speaker 1: just media, it's also yes, advertising for instance, the idea
Speaker 1: that give that having an engagement ring is in any
Speaker 1: way an organic part of human life. Okay, you're going
Speaker 1: you're going full Adam Ruins everything on it. I'm not
Speaker 1: doing it. Well, maybe I'm doing Adam Ruins everything because
Speaker 1: I saw it on TV. Maybe even my instinct to debunk,
Speaker 1: even my instinct to be a contrarian and debunk social
Speaker 1: myths comes from wanting to be Adam Ruins everything that
Speaker 1: is the darkest thing in the world that reminds that's like, um,
Speaker 1: when corporations like I feel like there's like a thirty
Speaker 1: rock joke about like the company has the makes the
Speaker 1: chips that gives you diarrhea and makes the toilet paper
Speaker 1: that integration. Yes, that's almost like for a TV station
Speaker 1: to make the TV show that's about getting married. That like,
Speaker 1: they also make the TV show that's making fun of
Speaker 1: getting married, so they have it both ways. Wait, you
Speaker 1: know what that is is that that Netflix has a
Speaker 1: show with I think is it cot content Tricksie. It's
Speaker 1: like to drag queens and they literally make fun of
Speaker 1: Netflix content. They can't have their cakes needed to know,
Speaker 1: It's like it really is. You kind of are like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe the solution is a is like burning it all
Speaker 1: down thoughts. Yeah, but then like but the who and
Speaker 1: then we wouldn't have the teen drama Elite, which I'm
Speaker 1: currently enjoying on Netflix. That would be a disaster. Oh
Speaker 1: I've never seen it, is my god? Am okay, I
Speaker 1: know it's crazy. Literally, for the past four episodes, I
Speaker 1: have made a note to myself, talk about Elite, talk
Speaker 1: about Elie, talk about it late And then each time
Speaker 1: we get into a tangent and I can never talk
Speaker 1: about the fact that I have started Elite. What do
Speaker 1: you want to say about it? I think basically, okay,
Speaker 1: I have not enjoyed a teen drama in so long
Speaker 1: because they are never the right kind of bad for me,
Speaker 1: Like they make me feel bad instead of making instead
Speaker 1: of being like a guilty pleasure, like I had that
Speaker 1: experience with Gossip Girl, I had that experience with Like
Speaker 1: like I kind of I stopped watching Riverdale, like you
Speaker 1: just I haven't had the real pleasure of just like
Speaker 1: a juicy teen drama. And for whatever reason, Elite really
Speaker 1: is hitting the spot. It's like totally is different about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's that they're speaking Spanish. I don't know, like,
Speaker 1: but there is I think it's just like it's the
Speaker 1: right level of stupid where I don't ever want really
Speaker 1: bash my head in the wall. But of course I'm
Speaker 1: also not intellectually challenged, Like it's not it's not it's
Speaker 1: not you know, prestige, but it's also not absolute trash.
Speaker 1: And I think what has happened over the past few
Speaker 1: years is that the bar for middle brow has been
Speaker 1: lowered and lowered and lowered, where there isn't anything that's
Speaker 1: just down the middle anymore. How do you feel about that? No,
Speaker 1: I think that makes sense. You're saying there's sort of
Speaker 1: you're saying there's no middle class. Yeah, there's no middle
Speaker 1: probless when it comes to streaming Content's like everything everything
Speaker 1: is either terrible or upper middle class, which is a
Speaker 1: bad prestige. Show. Yeah, that makes complete sense to me.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, and I honestly bet if there
Speaker 1: was some sort of like I bet there are true
Speaker 1: podcasts about this phenomenon that unpack it with facts. But
Speaker 1: we don't wear ourselves down with things like statistics or facts.
Speaker 1: It's just about like our feelings exactly. The only thing
Speaker 1: I can't be commodified by films and TV until it
Speaker 1: is Um, should we bring in our guests? As my
Speaker 1: actual question, I absolutely think we should because we have
Speaker 1: been you know, we are often rude, cruel, um, not
Speaker 1: thoughtful when it comes to our guests, but this one
Speaker 1: in particular, we have just put through the absolute ringer. Um,
Speaker 1: I would sink. The fact that she is not at
Speaker 1: this point bowled over in tears is a testament to
Speaker 1: her you know, her thick skin, her years of emotional
Speaker 1: strength training that she has been doing with a trainer.
Speaker 1: It is a testament to how the industry has beat
Speaker 1: her down, but she has built herself back up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it is something that I yeah, so please welcome
Speaker 1: um the most beat down person in Hollywood. Moe Frye passic. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I that I meant. I didn't mean it
Speaker 1: didn't mean like the entertainment industry. I meant like I
Speaker 1: met like the world. That's worse. Okay, it's worse. I
Speaker 1: don't Okay, Mo, does you dig a damn hole? Wow?
Speaker 1: That was amazing. I was genuinely trying to like be
Speaker 1: kind for a moment. Just no, I love that, Mo.
Speaker 1: How did you feel about that? Oh my god, absolutely
Speaker 1: torn to shreds. And what is that like? Disgusting? Um Like,
Speaker 1: there's that like that's disgusting, like um old idiom where
Speaker 1: it's like road hard and hung up when Okay, In
Speaker 1: my defense, I was trying to like, I'm literally only
Speaker 1: referring to the fact that we made you wait essentially
Speaker 1: at this point, forty minutes to record, and but maybe
Speaker 1: you were a conduit of the universe of just you know,
Speaker 1: a commentary on like the industry. Yeah, yeah, that's like
Speaker 1: when I see the industry literally mean me and Sam like,
Speaker 1: and when I say you thick skin, I'm not even
Speaker 1: referring to anything else in your life. I'm literally referring
Speaker 1: to the past forty minutes. Okay, can I say this? Okay,
Speaker 1: this is like a right I. I went to my
Speaker 1: dermatologist and it was just asking him about wrinkles and
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, like my my parents would really
Speaker 1: have wrinkles, Like what's my situation with that? And he
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you have really really thick skin. He
Speaker 1: was like, and it's really oily. So he was like,
Speaker 1: so it's good because it resistant to wrinkles, but the
Speaker 1: oil will help with that. And I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, thicking oily. Put it on my tombstone. And
Speaker 1: he fucking he lost his mind. He lost his fucking mind.
Speaker 1: Cut it's funniest thing he's ever heard. But he also
Speaker 1: forgot my name. So he goes. He starts loving, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, here lies because do you guys he looks
Speaker 1: at thank you, Oh my god, here lies literal literal skin.
Speaker 1: There's definitely a little yeah. It's not just the lag.
Speaker 1: It's like, you keep freezing. I'm gonna come right out
Speaker 1: and say it. Oh do I realize? Do I look pretty?
Speaker 1: You look? You look gorgeous, actually more stunning than anyone
Speaker 1: has ever looked. I think it's important to point out
Speaker 1: you actually do look incredible? This is a podcast that
Speaker 1: is an audio only podcast. We don't put out any
Speaker 1: video content normally. Ever, it's also you're in l A
Speaker 1: and wherever you are, and we is two pm, and
Speaker 1: we look like absolute trash. Well, actually, George, what's incredible
Speaker 1: today too? CRISP shirt? And I do have a Chrisp shirt? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is because I were it last night and then
Speaker 1: and then i'm and then and then I'm wearing it
Speaker 1: again today. To wear a button down two days and
Speaker 1: not have to be destroyed by wrinkles is an accomplishment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's true. Do you think your shirt is potentially thick
Speaker 1: and oily? I mean it certainly is. I've been here
Speaker 1: lies line. I also wanted to because I was so
Speaker 1: I have a Twitter, but it's like I retweeted like
Speaker 1: six things like three years ago, and like occasionally we'll
Speaker 1: be like I'm want a bagel, Like that's what my
Speaker 1: Twitter is. But there's two tweets I was looking through
Speaker 1: because I only have like forty tweets, and there were
Speaker 1: retweets of both of you, all of your tweets, all
Speaker 1: your individual tweets, the one from George and I had
Speaker 1: retweet it was I hope Nancy Pelosi wears a leather
Speaker 1: choker at her Pride speech was such a vintage. I
Speaker 1: probably tweeted that in not no and then say I
Speaker 1: was say I was was like, is um, people are
Speaker 1: going to get really it was about about COVID, and
Speaker 1: it was like, people are going to get really mad
Speaker 1: at me thinking about how mad people are gonna get
Speaker 1: me if I tweet you think this lasted log Some
Speaker 1: quidditch games lasted for months. Okay, wow, you know sometimes
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, I wish I remembered anything like genius.
Speaker 1: It made it lasts so hard, And I was like,
Speaker 1: I have to sell the book because it was like
Speaker 1: one of my forty tweets, we're retweets of those two. Damn.
Speaker 1: To have only forty tweets is like such a luxury.
Speaker 1: I know, it is, um we can't get We've We've
Speaker 1: already talked so much about the pitfalls of social media
Speaker 1: on this podcast that I don't want to be repetitive,
Speaker 1: but it is there is something about it where it's like, well,
Speaker 1: the more time you commit, the more difficult it is
Speaker 1: to admit that it is worthless because to admit for
Speaker 1: someone who has let's say forty thousand tweets. To then
Speaker 1: admit that Twitter is a scourge on the earth is
Speaker 1: to also admit that they have wasted literal years of
Speaker 1: their life. Well yeah, but like as somebody who doesn't
Speaker 1: have Twitter, really, I have the thoughts still. You know,
Speaker 1: my brain is occupied by toxic things elsewhere, so you know, no,
Speaker 1: I guess that's true. That's true. That's true. I guess
Speaker 1: it's nice to sort of have the evils so you
Speaker 1: can place it very simply and be like, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: feeling horrific because of this Renee Brown. You actually name
Speaker 1: the feeling to, you know, like to actually identify it,
Speaker 1: feel it. Yeah, yeah, sort of the devil you know
Speaker 1: is actually better. Um wait, MO, where do you stand
Speaker 1: on that specific thought? I'm curious. Do you believe naming
Speaker 1: things helps? Um? I so yes, it helps, But I
Speaker 1: do not believe that you have to name something. I
Speaker 1: think it goes. It's entirely western to say that, Like,
Speaker 1: because you look at yoga, you look at all these
Speaker 1: like physical releases in the body that you aren't naming,
Speaker 1: but you're feeling through something. I think it negates any
Speaker 1: sort of like um, bodily processing or like yeah, so
Speaker 1: like yes, if I name something is going to happen.
Speaker 1: But there's like this new school that love like Instagram
Speaker 1: psychologists that are like you have to name it to
Speaker 1: feel it. I'm like, no, really. And also sometimes when
Speaker 1: you're naming something, you're actually giving it more power and
Speaker 1: you're saying like I have this, I am this or
Speaker 1: X y Z, and it's like, well, or you're misnaming
Speaker 1: it and then confusing your own self and processing. Yes exactly.
Speaker 1: I think maybe true emotional intelligence comes from knowing what
Speaker 1: to name and what not to name. The flow, well,
Speaker 1: the moderation, it's like that's what we're keep swinging. We
Speaker 1: keep needing it to be one thing or the other,
Speaker 1: and it's like a dred percent where it's like just
Speaker 1: being able to pick and choose what you need when
Speaker 1: you need. Okay, we're revolutionizing. I'm actually taking notes, but
Speaker 1: it is it's like, okay, so when do you need
Speaker 1: to just go cry and not know what you're crying about?
Speaker 1: And when you need to discuss your own issues with abandonment,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like figure it out. Um No, I
Speaker 1: love I love when you talk about these things for
Speaker 1: the listeners. Mo has at times brought me to literal
Speaker 1: tears talking about these topics, and I love the stuff
Speaker 1: I can't And it's like, Okay, so you guys are
Speaker 1: obviously long time friends. I don't know Mo that well.
Speaker 1: I think we've met in person like a couple of times,
Speaker 1: but I know you have the vibe of someone who
Speaker 1: has a has a depth of knowledge. Okay, thank you
Speaker 1: know I'm really smart. So yeah, it's like, here's what
Speaker 1: I picture you if we were better friends. Like, here's
Speaker 1: what I picture that looking like. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: I say something that I think is kind of dumb
Speaker 1: or maybe service level, and I'm like, you know, let's
Speaker 1: say it's like I say, I mean that sounds kind
Speaker 1: of stupid, and it's like, you know how humans are
Speaker 1: kind of like flowers, and it sounds it sounds so dumb.
Speaker 1: You're it's like ever anyone else would immediately dismiss that,
Speaker 1: and then your response would be like right, So I
Speaker 1: was thinking about that and then and then but you
Speaker 1: have like a whole back story for something that I
Speaker 1: only just thought of. Oh you're a hundred percent have
Speaker 1: a read on me a p because I could get
Speaker 1: into the parallels between you know obviously you know humans
Speaker 1: and flowers when living and growth and seeds, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, you would never be blindsided by
Speaker 1: me saying humans are like flowers. You'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's kind of something I that was huge for
Speaker 1: me three years ago. And here's what I learned. Absolutely absolutely, no, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have a very hard to read on me. I
Speaker 1: a door talking about everything as if it's the most
Speaker 1: important thing alive, because I do believe that it is. Yes, Well,
Speaker 1: it's also you have to when you are talking about
Speaker 1: something for that moment, it is the most important thing,
Speaker 1: and it is actually doing a disservice to it to
Speaker 1: not act like it's the most important thing. Very that
Speaker 1: very that because then okay, while you're saying that, a
Speaker 1: spam risk phone call came in and I'm like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm not present, like and then I'm like, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: so important. No, but I think it is, because it's like, well,
Speaker 1: then what's the point because then if that's not true,
Speaker 1: then everything would annoy me, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: nothing has a point, then nothing is important. And you know,
Speaker 1: at the same time we're talking about the moderation, Sure,
Speaker 1: nothing is important. Um in the way that it's life
Speaker 1: and death, but like it's like this simple perspective of
Speaker 1: like if I have nothing to do today, or I
Speaker 1: have a full day of getting to do whatever I want.
Speaker 1: Like that sort of perspective shift can be in conversation
Speaker 1: with an individual and how you look at it. That
Speaker 1: being said, you know, I say, Sue, stupid ship that
Speaker 1: nobody should take as important something I hoped to today,
Speaker 1: I really hope to. Yes, should we do our first segment?
Speaker 1: I think, so these are funny? These are so funny.
Speaker 1: That sounded so I know that you're being sincere, but
Speaker 1: there is definitely a world in which you were making
Speaker 1: fun of us right then. That felt so close to
Speaker 1: being maybe because it's like you're you're like doing sensitive
Speaker 1: because you've been making fun of me. So it's like
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, we I will never live that down.
Speaker 1: To introduce a guest, that's literally the industry having beaten
Speaker 1: them down. They are tired. This guess it really like
Speaker 1: in the moment, it felt like a funny way to
Speaker 1: talk about what had happened, but it really is so rude.
Speaker 1: That was so funny. Okay, well, yeah, I am being honest.
Speaker 1: I think these are really funny. They make a good goal,
Speaker 1: but go ahead. Um. So the first segment MO is
Speaker 1: called straight Shooters, And in this segment we ask you
Speaker 1: a series of rapid fire questions to gage your miiliarity
Speaker 1: with and complicity in straight culture. And you have to
Speaker 1: choose one thing or another thing. And the one rule
Speaker 1: is you can't ask any follow up questions about how
Speaker 1: the game works. Do you copy? Okay, Sam, take it away?
Speaker 1: Okay Mo, a plant based diet or a man based,
Speaker 1: riot based diet. Okay Mo. Working at the car wash
Speaker 1: or working at the dick second factory. Okay, Slow and
Speaker 1: steady wins the race or early bird gets the worm.
Speaker 1: Early gets the worm. Viva la France or I booped
Speaker 1: my pants, Hitch, that's so funny. This one's part of
Speaker 1: an ongoing theme I'm working through right now. Um Alien
Speaker 1: versus Predator, Freddie versus Jason or kill v mame? Um? Okay,
Speaker 1: updating your iOS or updating your records because there's a
Speaker 1: new bitch in town. Updating records because there's a new
Speaker 1: bidget town. Okay. Ponzi schemes or Phonsie's gene. It was okay,
Speaker 1: Fonzie's Jean's Um, here's the t I don't have a
Speaker 1: final one. Is everyone mad at me? No, George, I
Speaker 1: could never be less mad at you because the ones
Speaker 1: that you provided were so good. I was literally gonna
Speaker 1: end this and be like you seemed like possessed by
Speaker 1: like some sort of like bitching. Yeah I had. I
Speaker 1: really was in the middle of writing the last one
Speaker 1: and it was Crisscross Apple sauce or and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what rhymes? What could be or do that? Wow? I'm
Speaker 1: so happy that um working at the car washer, working
Speaker 1: at the Dick second factory got such a big response. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've got one for Okay, okay, criss Cross Apple sauce
Speaker 1: or Elizabeth Moss salad toss. That's really good. Yeah, or
Speaker 1: okay criss Cross apple sauce. So for Elizabeth Moss, I
Speaker 1: guess is the only loss? That's the only option, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure? Or or Star Jones weight loss. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: Criss Cross apples loss or Star Jones weight loss. That's
Speaker 1: really good. Okay, that's great. Okay, that's and so if
Speaker 1: I had asked you that, what would you have picked? Um,
Speaker 1: Chris Cross apples on that's the only answer. Correct. Yeah, Um, damn, wow,
Speaker 1: I see that was fun that You're right, that was
Speaker 1: fun and it's hard you know sometimes when we've done
Speaker 1: this pod now for a little while, and sometimes these
Speaker 1: straight shooters can like you know, just sort of roll
Speaker 1: off the top and it's like, yeah, they become a job.
Speaker 1: Yeah another day and the dick second factor and you
Speaker 1: told us, hey, don't forget that what you have is
Speaker 1: special and enjoy it and have a little fun with it.
Speaker 1: It's a little he he you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: it's a little well, it's breaking comedy down to its basics,
Speaker 1: which is just this is a series of words that
Speaker 1: are in a random order. It's the laying comedy. Bear, naked,
Speaker 1: just vulnerable. That is kind of the goal. Not to
Speaker 1: peek behind the curtain too much, but sorry, somebody's in
Speaker 1: here and guess what they're naked? Do you want a
Speaker 1: smaller size way, Speaking of Adam Ruins everything, that would
Speaker 1: be such a like such a gag where he'd be like,
Speaker 1: now let's take a look behind the curtain and then
Speaker 1: it would be like Camerons Posito being like someone's in here.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's exactly what that literally like. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is your spec script script. Wait when you hear
Speaker 1: something crazy. I literally once wrote a full spec scrip
Speaker 1: for Adam Ruins. Everything. I absolutely did as well. I
Speaker 1: think the room it was like it was like I
Speaker 1: think it was like it was like half an episode, right,
Speaker 1: it was like it was like you had to write
Speaker 1: a lot. I think it was either half an episode
Speaker 1: or a full episode. And it was actually a packet.
Speaker 1: It was like eight six different segments. I remember. I
Speaker 1: think it did Adam Ruins. Oh god, it was like
Speaker 1: something tech really like I don't either Adam Ruins the
Speaker 1: Internet or Adam Ruins like Silicon Battley or something like that.
Speaker 1: I did something like psychotic like Adam Ruins Women and
Speaker 1: like say that like was never going to get here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Adam Ruins my whole I mean, I right, I didn't think,
Speaker 1: who do you? I'm tired of shows that are like
Speaker 1: I'm speaking truth to power and then it's like, by
Speaker 1: the way, do it have do a fifteen page packet
Speaker 1: for free? You can't have both. You can't have both,
Speaker 1: And it tries me absolutely bonkers that they try to.
Speaker 1: That was just such a moment, like for someone at
Speaker 1: this stage in my beautiful and stunning life. To ask
Speaker 1: me to write an episode of television that no, that
Speaker 1: will never get that will never air, absolutely not. How
Speaker 1: can I say to ask me to write it in
Speaker 1: format like for your teleprompter as well, like it's like
Speaker 1: no one's looking at them, put it in red, and
Speaker 1: then put it in like all caps. And then I
Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god, Like from a logistical aspect,
Speaker 1: this is taking hours, Like what you're not going to
Speaker 1: use this? Agree? It's I don't think so, honey, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean essentially talk about being beaten down my an industry.
Speaker 1: That was me doing the packet for Admirins every day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a rough one. Well, should we introduce the topic?
Speaker 1: I actually think we kind of should because it's a
Speaker 1: rich topic. It's a rich part in the pun. Okayone's
Speaker 1: in here, that's my catchphrase. Now. Um, so you actually
Speaker 1: came with a wide array of gorgeous topics that we
Speaker 1: actually did have trouble choosing one. Um, not a single
Speaker 1: one was bad. I actually would actually could you read
Speaker 1: them and we'll say and then leave the final one
Speaker 1: for the end, and we'll go, okay, let me see
Speaker 1: and let me see. Okay, Okay, so okay. The first
Speaker 1: one was bringing gifts home from vacation, which I was
Speaker 1: told is also souvenirs. I forgot the word for that, Okay,
Speaker 1: being shocked by connection, which is like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like they have so many things in common, Like I
Speaker 1: love that's so it's just your description of it, because
Speaker 1: I was like, what does it mean to be shocked
Speaker 1: by connection? But it's You're absolutely right. It's like not
Speaker 1: just being struck by connection, but thinking anything is a
Speaker 1: huge coincidence. It's like people in the world, like we
Speaker 1: both have black jeans. Like it's also things like it's
Speaker 1: like you grew up with a golden retriever too, and
Speaker 1: it's like yeah, every like okay, it's like that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh a better way to do things? Like someone just
Speaker 1: always being like there just has to be a better way.
Speaker 1: So I made mud coffee, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So I made mud off and so okay, Um, what
Speaker 1: was the other one? Oh, big books, which you guys
Speaker 1: have touched on previously, But I like reading Infinite Jest
Speaker 1: or like Ulysses or Dune or like Atlas Shrugged, and
Speaker 1: came with a list of books that she wanted to
Speaker 1: and I feel like. It's also kind of the idea
Speaker 1: that by virtue of being bigger a book is better
Speaker 1: also like by virtue of reading it like analog style,
Speaker 1: like you know, like not digital, if you will like
Speaker 1: reading it and reading it just in your hand on
Speaker 1: the subway, and talk about performative. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It's so inconvenient. Can I be honest? I believe that
Speaker 1: reading is performative. Okay, it's so funny. You should have
Speaker 1: caught me like a month ago, my anti intellectual streak
Speaker 1: just ended. Yes, and now that Sam is in a
Speaker 1: reading era. Look, I literally look look at this. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, you're finally doing didiot ring the didion alarm
Speaker 1: and ring the an alarm. Sam just picked up and
Speaker 1: showed on camera his coffee was slipping towards Bethlehem. Honey,
Speaker 1: you just missed her. Someone's in here and it's not John.
Speaker 1: Oh god, no, it's always gonna be funny. Wait, Mo,
Speaker 1: you're so right that. Well, here's the thing with reading,
Speaker 1: just like we were talking about before, where you say
Speaker 1: I love you or you get married, and it's like
Speaker 1: you're doing something you've seen in a movie. Here's what's crazy.
Speaker 1: At this point if I'm having coffee and reading a book.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's like an Instagram. I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, people are going to be so annoyed with me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm like, this is annoying. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was reading a magazine on the subway and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, everyone's looking at me and they're like,
Speaker 1: who the fund? Does he? Kids? I mean that is
Speaker 1: I mean, the nineties are back. Damn. Reading a magazine
Speaker 1: on the subway. Incredible. Okay, yeah, I was reading the
Speaker 1: you Ronan Pharaoh investigation into state surveillance. That's right, look
Speaker 1: at him. Let me tell you something. That guy could
Speaker 1: you as an editor dragon. I love that he did
Speaker 1: great at what he does. You don't need to have
Speaker 1: like a full paragraph now, don't need to have a
Speaker 1: full paragraph talking about like the different video games that
Speaker 1: people at the tech company you're visiting, we're playing to
Speaker 1: paint the picture? Sure? Sure is this your I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. You know, actually I do think I
Speaker 1: could do, and I don't think so. Behindy for Ronan Pharaoh. Okay,
Speaker 1: put in the back pocket. Uh wow, it's so funny
Speaker 1: to be so referential to our friends podcast. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like one of the weirder things of this life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I feel like you guys have already done the crossover,
Speaker 1: so like your audience knows, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We gotta put them, we gotta put them on the map.
Speaker 1: They are kind of an offshoot of Yes, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the Stree universe and they're living in it. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like the Roda in like the Marri each other
Speaker 1: more so to situation. Right, So mo, what is the
Speaker 1: final topic that we did set along? Okay, here's like
Speaker 1: the audio cube of like cabaret where money, money, money,
Speaker 1: we decide on money money like cash, cards, points, money, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all all money and all representations of money, every iteration
Speaker 1: of money like money. Money is a concept having money,
Speaker 1: spending money, getting different types of money with money, buying
Speaker 1: money with money, money, money, So what I'm like, where
Speaker 1: do we even start? This is a hard one actually, Well,
Speaker 1: like what like you think of money? What is it
Speaker 1: about money? Okay? What is youright about? It's like very
Speaker 1: like ownership based, you know what I mean. It's feel
Speaker 1: like um, mind, mind, mind, and it's very um It's
Speaker 1: not community based, not community based in any way, shape
Speaker 1: or form. It's very um individualistic and money as a concept,
Speaker 1: and it's also like very um dumb, Like I think
Speaker 1: money is very stupid, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: like being like I made this many deep boots and
Speaker 1: I have it in my big tank. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It does seem like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like like wait, so everyone has like literally a number
Speaker 1: and it represents how much literally power they have. Literally
Speaker 1: it feels like you're explained to a little kid a
Speaker 1: game and they're like okay, and it's just like and
Speaker 1: you're a big strong person if you get this, and
Speaker 1: it's like okay. I think it's so straight to me
Speaker 1: to have to like lie to yourselves that you've been
Speaker 1: have money, because some money is fake. The more I
Speaker 1: learned about money, some of it doesn't even exist and
Speaker 1: have it like stock market I guess I don't know,
Speaker 1: And like it's like you're playing pretend to feel good
Speaker 1: about yourself. That's very straight. Yes, yeah, it's also like
Speaker 1: some of it being fake. Like that's also like people
Speaker 1: are like, well, bitcoin is not real, and I'm like
Speaker 1: neither is a dollar, Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: I'm like all of this is fake. This is so weird.
Speaker 1: It's so weird. Also, okay, you know when there's God,
Speaker 1: this is I'm gonna sound so stupid. You know, when
Speaker 1: there's like inflation and you're like, but hold on, just
Speaker 1: fix it. Don't even get me started, Like why do
Speaker 1: you do that inflation? People talking about like I do
Speaker 1: not think so honey, inflation that people talk about inflation
Speaker 1: as though it's like a natural disaster, and it's like
Speaker 1: it's storms are common, like unstoppable. Yeah, just print more
Speaker 1: money or less money and then fix it. And then
Speaker 1: they have this whole like forty five minutes speech and
Speaker 1: you say, print more money. They're like, we can't, and
Speaker 1: then they do when they want to, or the idea
Speaker 1: that like different currencies. They're like, it's crazy to me.
Speaker 1: They're like, you can't use your money in this country
Speaker 1: because we have prettier money, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm like what, oh my god. And they're like, but
Speaker 1: it does, but you can exchange it. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: if I can exchange it, why can't I just use it? Yes?
Speaker 1: Thank you do the math for me. That's crazy. Just
Speaker 1: make it work. Why is it different? Here's a question. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got you. Yeah, this, I can't wait for this.
Speaker 1: I'm bloodthirsty right now, like rabbit truly. Something that is
Speaker 1: so insane to me. Take CNN plus or quimby. Okay,
Speaker 1: like a big time failure, right, something like that fails.
Speaker 1: You read something that's like they lost fifty billion dollars.
Speaker 1: Riddle me this, How come no one became poor because
Speaker 1: of that? Like where so so is Mike job? Riddle
Speaker 1: me this, like so so they lost fifty billion dollars
Speaker 1: and yet somehow the people that failed are now richer. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's my thing, because there's all these things with investors
Speaker 1: where they put play money wherever they want. There's someone
Speaker 1: listening to this right that like it's chopping at the
Speaker 1: bit to describe what we're like, it is to give
Speaker 1: us answers. And when I'm saying, your answer is stupid,
Speaker 1: like I cannot. Yes. First of all, I know we
Speaker 1: all are smart enough to understand how the stock market works.
Speaker 1: I understand how investing works. I understand that you like
Speaker 1: put don't go that far exists. I know it's not magic,
Speaker 1: but beyond that, it's you know, I think my goal,
Speaker 1: one of my goals in life is to never understand
Speaker 1: any of this stuff, which is not a good goal.
Speaker 1: And yeah, but actually it is a good goal because
Speaker 1: it means you basically want people to work for you
Speaker 1: that understand it for you. Because it's also going to
Speaker 1: come back around where it's gonna be humiliating that people
Speaker 1: spent their lives doing this, you know what I mean? Well,
Speaker 1: one can only hope and run, so I guess to
Speaker 1: bring it back down to earth a little bit. So,
Speaker 1: first of all, the idea of like anyone having a
Speaker 1: monetary value crazy. Then you add the layer of artifice
Speaker 1: on top of that where no money is where when
Speaker 1: it when it actually counts, the money isn't even real, yes,
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, you're making everyone play
Speaker 1: a video game where you have to like have fifteen
Speaker 1: credit cards that you have a good credit score, and
Speaker 1: then based on the credit score, you can buy an apartment,
Speaker 1: and then you can you spend money so you can
Speaker 1: get miles and then fly and then like, so what
Speaker 1: is the end game? Don't even get me stared about
Speaker 1: like miles. Like my mom the other day was like,
Speaker 1: well I have two thousand dollars in points. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: Like is that interest? Like you made money. She's just
Speaker 1: like no, like it's just like this card, you get
Speaker 1: really good points, you can turn them in for cash.
Speaker 1: And I'm like okay, like what and again I get it,
Speaker 1: I understand and anyone listening he was like damning me
Speaker 1: about like you know, fucking banks and bigness. No, I
Speaker 1: give it, but what do you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's sort of like can we just not like it's
Speaker 1: sort of like let's just stop, like, can we all?
Speaker 1: It's almost it's well, one, it's fear based, Okay, absolutely,
Speaker 1: we're not in an abundant dot paradigm. Thank you. Everyone's
Speaker 1: got their walls up. Everyone's like trying to be like, well, no,
Speaker 1: you have to like if you subscribe to me, then
Speaker 1: you'll get the points, so then you'll get a deal.
Speaker 1: And it's like, can everyone just lower their guns a bit?
Speaker 1: Can we just be a little more community oriented? And
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, and I'm like I just don't just
Speaker 1: just I don't need like this brand loyalty. Just provide
Speaker 1: a service and I'll pay for it a reasonable amount.
Speaker 1: When someone is like when okay, I was recently, in
Speaker 1: fact having this argument with my significant other. He is
Speaker 1: someone who is very who is really good at this
Speaker 1: stuff and is like a gold star Mild member at
Speaker 1: Delta and like all and like knows exactly what to
Speaker 1: do in order to get the right amount of points,
Speaker 1: and like his life is one big game where he's
Speaker 1: like trading points left and right in order to save
Speaker 1: money on on each individual thing, and and and then
Speaker 1: I was saying, my kind of outlook on all of
Speaker 1: this is like I'm kind of like it all evens out,
Speaker 1: Like the effort you put into this equals the reward
Speaker 1: you're going to get. So why not not put the effort,
Speaker 1: not get the reward. You're right back where you started.
Speaker 1: And then my second point is the idea that as
Speaker 1: an adult, you say the word points and it means
Speaker 1: something is humiliating. Points is something you get in a
Speaker 1: game when you're a kid. You can't be like, I
Speaker 1: got twenty points. It's embarrassing, it's humiliar. It's so bizarre
Speaker 1: because then I'm like, and also it's like what a
Speaker 1: fucking fool we are to like go to the grocery
Speaker 1: store and like pay and be like I'm doing something
Speaker 1: good for himself. Got my points back or like or
Speaker 1: nothing to me is more absolutely horrific. Then when somebody
Speaker 1: puts their card down for a group dinner and just
Speaker 1: just spend on me, I get points. Oh my, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Mo, you brought up one of the darkest
Speaker 1: things in our current day society. That is like, that
Speaker 1: is so rude. Okay? Can I also say it's an aside,
Speaker 1: this is I'm not even allowing that to blossom. But
Speaker 1: I'm pleased the first time, and I believe I don't
Speaker 1: know if you remember the Sam. The first time anyone
Speaker 1: ever used Venmo around me, it was with do you
Speaker 1: remember when I'm talking about keep going? So it was
Speaker 1: like maybe and me, me and Sam got high out
Speaker 1: of our minds, sorry exposed, I've never never and Joel
Speaker 1: can Booster was like hey remember yeah. I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: do you want to get dinner? So Sam what I have?
Speaker 1: Very high? And we're like yeah. So we went to
Speaker 1: Colexico and we were like, wow, Colexico, let that sinking?
Speaker 1: Do they still live? They do? I used to live
Speaker 1: by the park slope, but I would say surprisingly like
Speaker 1: great breakfast, Braado, great breakfast anyway, sorry, like sort of
Speaker 1: like an evening dawnt for us. Um, So we go
Speaker 1: and like we are like waiting to pay, and then
Speaker 1: Joel was like I paid already. I mean, say, were
Speaker 1: like we need to pay to and Joel's Joel's like
Speaker 1: just Ben Momi and bol Sam and I were like what,
Speaker 1: Like no had ever so swiftly and economically just dealt
Speaker 1: with the situation and like we knew what EMMA was.
Speaker 1: We knew, but like we had never used it in
Speaker 1: that capacity. It was just like so clean, so so
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe it was because we were high,
Speaker 1: but I just it's burned in my brain as one
Speaker 1: of those magnificent experiences I've ever had. I mean, that
Speaker 1: dinner I actually remember so vividly because we were so
Speaker 1: high and like at that point, I was not used
Speaker 1: to being high in this and it was very jarring,
Speaker 1: and I was like I kept like I feel like
Speaker 1: I maybe didn't say any words, Like I remember like
Speaker 1: almost getting through that dinner rather than like enjoying that dinner,
Speaker 1: because I was like, I remember like looking at people's
Speaker 1: faces and be like, is that Chris Pratt? Is that
Speaker 1: Chris Pratt Calexico? And I remember even being like I
Speaker 1: think that's Chris Pratt, like and Joel was like, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? And I was like, no, seriously,
Speaker 1: remember this part. I was having like hardcore facial blindness.
Speaker 1: I was seeing like so many people in other people Pratt,
Speaker 1: this is kind of like when I thought I saw
Speaker 1: Robin at an eyehop. I love that you might have.
Speaker 1: I actually think, well, okay, this is something that has
Speaker 1: never been fully answered for me. So basically, um, this
Speaker 1: was actually no. This was timely because I was at Coachella.
Speaker 1: It was like ten years ago, and then we went
Speaker 1: to an eyehop. After we were all like, you know,
Speaker 1: strung out, we went on IHAP so and at that
Speaker 1: stage it's like, it's actually not impossible that Robin would
Speaker 1: have been at the IHOP close to Coachella. But it's
Speaker 1: unclear how much each person was joking when they said
Speaker 1: they saw Robin. And to this day, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I was at the same IAHAP as Robin. Robin,
Speaker 1: if you are listening, please call in. Hey girl, Okay,
Speaker 1: so we yeah, someone's in here at Robin at the
Speaker 1: I Hop bathroom. You know, George, I actually hope you
Speaker 1: never find out, and I hope that you just get
Speaker 1: to live life with the magic of thinking you were
Speaker 1: in the same Robin. My ex once was at the
Speaker 1: same restaurant as Beyonce and jay Z, and that was
Speaker 1: I will never forgive myself for not being there. He
Speaker 1: was like with his high school friends. I could not
Speaker 1: tell you. I think I think it was in I
Speaker 1: can't remember if it was in New York, l A.
Speaker 1: But okay, I understand that, like, yes, you know, you
Speaker 1: things people ever or whatever. But the idea of being
Speaker 1: in a restaurant with Beyonce and jay Z, that's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's up there. That's crazy. The thing that funds
Speaker 1: me up is that Beyonce would do soule cycle a lot,
Speaker 1: and like at a public class, not even a yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: she would enter. She would go to the Williams for one,
Speaker 1: and she would enter late. And I've never been there
Speaker 1: when she was my friend as a manager, and like
Speaker 1: he'd have to like guide her into like her special
Speaker 1: bike that was already set up, and I'm like, oh, like,
Speaker 1: I guess you want workout community. Like so wait, I
Speaker 1: have many questions, obviously, starting with doesn't she live in Tribeca? Okay,
Speaker 1: out George, George knows where you live, and he insist
Speaker 1: with it, and he's policing, which soulecycle. You go to
Speaker 1: George maybe the studio. She records that as in Williamsburg,
Speaker 1: so she post session which is constantly recording. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that was that early days of soul cycle. We're talking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're talking the Colexico era, if you will, the classically
Speaker 1: the Calexico era. But that's fascinating to me. The Beyonce
Speaker 1: timeline is pre self titled and post self titled, because
Speaker 1: pre self titled, she exists, she like had some humanity,
Speaker 1: and post self titled, she was like, I am a
Speaker 1: goddess and I know, and I don't speak to the media.
Speaker 1: I don't speak period. Yeah not no, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: like I can't wait for that era for myself. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like, I'm gonna like scrub like this podcast
Speaker 1: literally file a defamation lawsuit because I said that the
Speaker 1: industry town. Yeah, I'm almost oscar. I'm looking for like
Speaker 1: a Gawker style, like you get a Peter teel Backer
Speaker 1: to destroy us. Yeah, and the beck is Beyonce herself.
Speaker 1: I have a question, wasn't it like Hulk Cogan, Yeah,
Speaker 1: whole Cogan and Peter Tail, Yeah, whole Cogan and brought
Speaker 1: them down. But they're back and better than ever. That's
Speaker 1: a favorite dream. That's a fevere dream if you're like
Speaker 1: you're describing people like first of all, like Peter Teal, Okay,
Speaker 1: that sounds made up, talk about talk about money, talk
Speaker 1: about money, talk about money. Ultimately okay, and actually okay,
Speaker 1: this actually brings up something I want to sort of
Speaker 1: ask about, like what are the queer ways to use money?
Speaker 1: And one I do think is potentially sinking it all
Speaker 1: into a lawsuit to attack someone who is I just
Speaker 1: had the instinct to very earnestly be like donating do
Speaker 1: you mean to the community giving? Um? No, But I
Speaker 1: see what you're saying, Sam, It's like, yeah, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like using money for self basically wasting money. Wasting
Speaker 1: money is in a sense a queer coded action. I
Speaker 1: mean trips. I do think trips are queer coded way
Speaker 1: to spend money. Restaurants, Yeah, spending money on leisure because
Speaker 1: you're yes, you're taking something as serious as money and
Speaker 1: you're radicalizing it taking something as serious money. Yeah, every
Speaker 1: time I take a trip to Palm Springs, that's activism,
Speaker 1: is political. You're radicalized. I'm radicalizing my income by taking
Speaker 1: the from it. You're taking the powerway from it because
Speaker 1: it's like, well, look look at me. I'm not using
Speaker 1: this money for online banking. I'm not writing a check
Speaker 1: using my money to pay for my online banking. I
Speaker 1: am not I'm going to serendipity and getting a liquid
Speaker 1: gold Sunday. Absolutely, I am simply putting it in the
Speaker 1: stock market. I'm putting it into apps for tonight. Now
Speaker 1: I invest in apps. It Tiser's yes, Wow, you got there.
Speaker 1: That is like, that is a genius joke. That is
Speaker 1: so anti comedy. I love that. Yeah, it's sort of
Speaker 1: like a writer's room. And then I'm like, Okay, is
Speaker 1: showing off your money or being secretive about your money
Speaker 1: more straight? That's tough. That's tough, like being tasteful. I
Speaker 1: think it's like showing it off but saying you're not
Speaker 1: Like it's about having like a BMW and then being like,
Speaker 1: but I'm middle class and here's what it is. It's
Speaker 1: saying we have a little place on the lake and
Speaker 1: it's a mansion, yeah, and saying we're comfortable. Yeah. It's
Speaker 1: very straight. So I feel like new money is queer
Speaker 1: old on you straight a hundred percent to not agree
Speaker 1: more that's me because you know, like it's queer. People
Speaker 1: weren't allowed to have a lot of money. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: well somewhere like Peter Teo. Yeah. Well, at the same time,
Speaker 1: there is an argument be made for old money being
Speaker 1: queer because it's like there's it's so um insular and
Speaker 1: like and like almost specific community. Yes, yes, I was
Speaker 1: the house of Yes of its time, Like they said,
Speaker 1: we want to make a little house of guests in here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean watch Marie Antoinette and tell me those are
Speaker 1: that's not queer? Uh what's it called? Chosen family? Big
Speaker 1: chosen family vibes absolutely gender fuck yes, gender. I would
Speaker 1: love it if there was a scene in Marie Antoinette
Speaker 1: where she walks in and then someone goes, okay, she's
Speaker 1: giving Marie Antoinette. It's like that that sketch that everyone
Speaker 1: lost their fucking mind for in like two thousand nine
Speaker 1: from Second City. That was like if Ophelia had a
Speaker 1: gay best land. Oh my god, that was about so
Speaker 1: big a gay friend it was. It was it called
Speaker 1: that because it was like, don't kill yourself for all
Speaker 1: and then he always starts with what what what are
Speaker 1: you doing? You remember that? I remember I remember his
Speaker 1: scar probably kept be like yes, yeah, God, I really
Speaker 1: hope he's doing well. He really kind of sacrifice breaking
Speaker 1: a mold that was. Yeah, it's taking taking control of
Speaker 1: the narrative. Do you know what bothers me is people
Speaker 1: looking back on you know, let's say, problematic gay representation
Speaker 1: and judging it. And it's like we were fighting for
Speaker 1: our lives, Like do you have no right to judge
Speaker 1: Jack on Will and Grace? Also, he's literally it is
Speaker 1: a tour to force and then we're using it as
Speaker 1: an example of like poor media representation, it's like, and
Speaker 1: then also putting the onus of representation on the individual
Speaker 1: portraying that character. And I'm like that, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Like is good representation? Acting straight? Right? Like good representation?
Speaker 1: Literally And it's so like I get in like the broader,
Speaker 1: nuanced conversation. You can talk about wishing there was more
Speaker 1: variety of representation, but people in doing so tend to
Speaker 1: take down that which was there totally. I completely agree.
Speaker 1: Or when people are like they were like, gay people
Speaker 1: are often used this comic relief and it's like, is
Speaker 1: there anything more important? Sorry, we're being funny. Funny. Gay
Speaker 1: people are funny. Yeah, they're funny. What do you mean, Like, so,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, So you don't want gay people to die
Speaker 1: tragically because that's problematic. You don't want gave people to
Speaker 1: be comic relief. What do you want them to be?
Speaker 1: Like the front desk person. I want them to be
Speaker 1: unfunny bitch who's in one scene the biggest size. Well,
Speaker 1: I was literally like, I was like, Wow, where do
Speaker 1: I even go from here? Money? Do you have anything
Speaker 1: more to say about money? Is my question? Oh Sam,
Speaker 1: you're acting as though that hasn't been our top at all,
Speaker 1: Like money, Well, I just want to say, I feel like,
Speaker 1: have you guys met someone who from like an early
Speaker 1: age wanted to like work in banking? Right? Yes, many people,
Speaker 1: And that is like one of the saddest things I've
Speaker 1: ever seen in my entire life. One time, my he
Speaker 1: was like my little brother's friend when he was like
Speaker 1: sixteen or seventeen. He was like, I want to go
Speaker 1: into like investing, And I was like, okay, but what
Speaker 1: do you want to do? Like what what about that
Speaker 1: brings you joy? And he was like, well, I want
Speaker 1: to make a lot of money. And I was like
Speaker 1: but what, like for what? And he's like, because I
Speaker 1: know that money is like power. And I said, but
Speaker 1: why do you want power? And he's like, well, I
Speaker 1: just want it like I want to. You're like Socrates,
Speaker 1: You're breaking him down. You're like power. You know. He's like,
Speaker 1: why I want powering? You're like, yeah, but philosophically speaking,
Speaker 1: what is that? Well, it was like and he like
Speaker 1: followed through. I think he's an investment banker now and
Speaker 1: he's proud of him, so huge shout out. But it's
Speaker 1: just like, I actually, I just cannot relate to that
Speaker 1: mindset at all, and it bums me out and I
Speaker 1: don't know how to process it even listen. I think
Speaker 1: I'm like almost I could even say jealous of it,
Speaker 1: because there's not you know, there's not any part of
Speaker 1: me that is ever even considered money. Like like when
Speaker 1: I was like in high school, like thinking about my dreams,
Speaker 1: in no way was I like, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it is good that because that I got into
Speaker 1: the industry has treated me so I hortantly somebody would
Speaker 1: told me it's gonna treat me with this. I've never
Speaker 1: gotten into. I would have been a banker by now.
Speaker 1: I would have worked for Golden sacks, but like I
Speaker 1: didn't even know, like banking was an option, Like that's
Speaker 1: to me. I'm like, people do that, Like what that
Speaker 1: sounds horrible. I don't know. I just contributed nothing. I
Speaker 1: just think, No, no, I know it was no. No,
Speaker 1: I'm curious, George, you'll have an insight. No, my only
Speaker 1: insight is there was something clarifying about that outlook that
Speaker 1: I here's the thing. If your goal is to make money,
Speaker 1: that's actually a more direct goal than if your goal
Speaker 1: is to make the world a better place. Let's say,
Speaker 1: like there are so many Let's say you're like you're
Speaker 1: just a really earnest, sweet person who has a kind
Speaker 1: heart and wants to do good. But that's your only goal.
Speaker 1: You don't have a passion for something specific. You don't
Speaker 1: you're you're not um, you don't have a specific skill.
Speaker 1: You're just kind of like I want to like be
Speaker 1: a force of good in the world. Then I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but what's gonna happen is you're gonna find yourself at
Speaker 1: some like you know, uh, mid tier nonprofit where you
Speaker 1: are like when where you are basically spending your day
Speaker 1: like doing paperwork or answering phone calls or writing grant proposals,
Speaker 1: and it's never You're never going to have the satisfaction
Speaker 1: being like and I did it. I changed the world.
Speaker 1: Whereas if your goal is to make money and that
Speaker 1: is the one thing driving you, of course you need
Speaker 1: a certain level of you know, privilege and luck and
Speaker 1: whatever else. But like, if all goes well, there will
Speaker 1: be a point where you have achieved your goal. I
Speaker 1: was beautiful, Yeah, I mean that was kind of a
Speaker 1: if you can't beat them, join them. I'm not endorsing it,
Speaker 1: I'm that's just the appeal of it. Like of course,
Speaker 1: like it's just yeah. And and as you pursue money,
Speaker 1: you also further put on horse blinders and don't see
Speaker 1: the ills of the world, and that is probably a
Speaker 1: good self defense mechanism, whereas if you're working at the nonprofit,
Speaker 1: you're constantly being exposed to the ills of the world
Speaker 1: and you only feel worse. Not no, I mean we
Speaker 1: are you know now, sort of making it a heroic
Speaker 1: pursuit to want money. It's still it's like, I'm just
Speaker 1: it's simple. I think the fact that it's simple means
Speaker 1: it's less like it's like it's for a more simple
Speaker 1: minded per whereas whereas the alternative you really have to
Speaker 1: think about the world more deeply and your place in
Speaker 1: it and whatever. Agree Because there was this I was
Speaker 1: listening to a straight man's podcast and he was talking
Speaker 1: a little for right to what it's like, um, so
Speaker 1: he was talking about his brother and his brother he
Speaker 1: wouldn't described his very left. He was like, my brother
Speaker 1: has this very strong belief that billionaires shouldn't exist. He
Speaker 1: was like, he was like, I totally understand that prospective.
Speaker 1: He was like, but I don't know if I agree
Speaker 1: with that, And he went on to describe He was
Speaker 1: like like this, like there's so much it was so simple.
Speaker 1: He was like, like, think of Amazon. He was like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that saved a lot of lives during the pandemic,
Speaker 1: like people being able to order stuff, and like like
Speaker 1: it was a simple Yeah, this is exactly what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. But that's what it is. It's like, yes,
Speaker 1: if you are simple. It really is just the difference
Speaker 1: between being simple minded and being simple minded so much.
Speaker 1: It was like I was listening to my mom was
Speaker 1: a gape. I was just like, you know, because I'm
Speaker 1: like he I'm sure he's one of millions with that
Speaker 1: perspective and like, there's it's it's not a wrong perspective.
Speaker 1: It is just the most black and white, simplistic encumbered
Speaker 1: by details factor morality, you know what I mean? Wow,
Speaker 1: that is and it's a definition of horse blinders. Because
Speaker 1: to him, it's like his world is Amazon consumers, and
Speaker 1: he's like, well, yes, for Amazon consumers, it certainly is
Speaker 1: making their life easier that they can order things online,
Speaker 1: Like he is completely shutting himself out to anyone else
Speaker 1: that exists in this ecosystem exactly. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: When that is your world, then it is easy to
Speaker 1: be like, well why not client, Like yeah, why not
Speaker 1: go from being a consumer to being a ceo? See
Speaker 1: that's why money is straight, Yeah, because it requires ignorance. Well,
Speaker 1: it requires ignorance. It requires also like believing the status
Speaker 1: quo to be correct exactly exactly that and just being like,
Speaker 1: well nothing needs changing, like I will, I will do
Speaker 1: what is expected of me, and like, well, if I
Speaker 1: have money in my pocket, I can make change and
Speaker 1: I trust my moral compass and you know, desires, so
Speaker 1: why not? Yeah, And if people just worked harder, they
Speaker 1: can have money too. I don't understand why, Well, why
Speaker 1: don't you ask your dad? Oh god, well, I hate
Speaker 1: money more than anything on earth. I hate that I
Speaker 1: have to know what it is. I hate that I
Speaker 1: have to do taxes. I hate investments, I hate houses. Taxes.
Speaker 1: This year, I don't know why I filed them on time.
Speaker 1: Like everything's fine, but there is a certain stress that
Speaker 1: they caused me. It's like having It's like when you
Speaker 1: have nightmares about like not having studied for the final
Speaker 1: or something. I still, like, it's now a week or
Speaker 1: two after taxes, and I still sometimes like stop in
Speaker 1: the middle of something and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: did I found my taxes? Yes? I did. Like somehow
Speaker 1: it has had this like real visceral effect on me
Speaker 1: this year. I mean, it's fucking crazy. It's I keep
Speaker 1: my tax recurage from like every year because I'm like
Speaker 1: scared that someone's going to come and ask for Like
Speaker 1: it's like because I think all of us are individuals
Speaker 1: who don't do not you know, entirely trust the government
Speaker 1: and so like to have to do something and then
Speaker 1: under threat of you know, financial or physical punishment, it's
Speaker 1: like it's just weird and uncomfortable. And yeah, we'll also
Speaker 1: like to make it so it's like you have to
Speaker 1: be like partially a criminal. Like there's no way to
Speaker 1: do your taxes correctly. You just have to be guessing
Speaker 1: sometimes and like making decisions and making choices. And it's like, wait, what,
Speaker 1: why why do I have to be partially a criminal?
Speaker 1: This is the false promise of my need to It's
Speaker 1: like it presents itself as this simple thing like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's arithmetic. I have two dollars, and I get four dollars.
Speaker 1: Now I have six dollars, But it's not. It's all
Speaker 1: you have to keep in mind all these unwritten rules
Speaker 1: about what little little kinds of cheating you're allowed to do,
Speaker 1: and then you're just setting yourself up for failure. Like
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind it if it was not to be
Speaker 1: like literally che Gavar, you got like money from the
Speaker 1: government every month and then and then it was a
Speaker 1: level playing field everyone could kind of budget fine. But
Speaker 1: now I have to read a whole book. To me though,
Speaker 1: that is like a little bit queer to be, Like
Speaker 1: if you have six dollars, but did you make it
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday on an odd year? But you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it's like it's very like to
Speaker 1: get a little fun and like that, do you live
Speaker 1: in Yonkers? Very? Do you live in Younger? Thing? When
Speaker 1: you do your tax in New York City? For anyone
Speaker 1: who doesn't know, um, it's it truly comes at such
Speaker 1: a random point where you've like you've hit next like
Speaker 1: fifteen times, You're like at the second class page, and
Speaker 1: then suddenly it's like, wait a minute, by the way,
Speaker 1: do you live in Yonkers? Because different? Because in Yonkers
Speaker 1: we do things a little bit different. Yes, I cannot
Speaker 1: stand it. I cannot stand it. Okay, I'm sorry. But
Speaker 1: the idea that I am in charge of my own
Speaker 1: retirement and I have to start planning for it now,
Speaker 1: are you? It's like getting me absurd. Okay, my upstairs
Speaker 1: nabor is I told him that I was recording podcast
Speaker 1: still three it is three or four and he has
Speaker 1: started on the damn dot What is he doing? Loves
Speaker 1: playing guitar? Oh when he plays loud, baby, he's like
Speaker 1: his own songs or like not even songs. That's the
Speaker 1: worst part to even to even for your mind to
Speaker 1: go into two songs. How pure you must be. It's
Speaker 1: just sort of um thrashing you just like kind of
Speaker 1: goes for it. You know what comes to my mind,
Speaker 1: is um just an affair or on affairs, just going forgiveness.
Speaker 1: It's more than saying sorry, I'm so glad. Sure that
Speaker 1: is such an undersung honestly, film all around, not even
Speaker 1: just your character. Her performance in that though, is like
Speaker 1: should have won? And yeah no, absolutely unreal. Um should
Speaker 1: we do our final segment? Yes, daddy, okay? Our finals?
Speaker 1: Like me? This called shout outs, and then we give
Speaker 1: a shout out to something that we are enjoying in
Speaker 1: the style of you know and a classic homage to
Speaker 1: straight culture. It's two one year at Times Square. It's
Speaker 1: t RL. You're shouting out to your squad back home,
Speaker 1: just not anything that you enjoy. Um, George, do you
Speaker 1: have one? Yeah, I'll do. I'm gonna do a money
Speaker 1: themed one in fact, great love that. Um, what's up
Speaker 1: listeners of our podcast? I want to give a quick
Speaker 1: shout out to writing a check. I recently had to
Speaker 1: write a physical check using a blue ballpoint pen and
Speaker 1: signing it with my delicious signature, and it was the
Speaker 1: first time in a while I had done that. And
Speaker 1: let me just say, it is nostalgia, It is mad men.
Speaker 1: It is cosplay. It is drag. I have never felt
Speaker 1: so powerful in my life. The check was for that's
Speaker 1: right on fifty dollars and um and I there was
Speaker 1: something that is so simple about it, and and and
Speaker 1: and kind of hearkens back to a simpler time. You're saying,
Speaker 1: this isn't late capitalism, this is early capitalism. Take me back.
Speaker 1: I love that. Okay, hold on, I'm thinking. I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, okay, sure, let's start here. Let's be honest.
Speaker 1: What's up, straighty hose and sturdy bros. I just want
Speaker 1: to give a huge shout out to texting with your neighbor.
Speaker 1: I text my neighbor when I want him to stop
Speaker 1: playing guitar, and it has put me in a weird
Speaker 1: place because because now there's like a verbal record, a
Speaker 1: written record of every time I told him to be quiet,
Speaker 1: and it makes me look like the annoying one because
Speaker 1: I'm always texting. But in reality, it's kind of because
Speaker 1: he's constantly playing guitar really loud, and it's it's like
Speaker 1: he could just go get a practice space. And no.
Speaker 1: I hope he never hears this, because I don't think
Speaker 1: he's a bad guy, nothing but respect. And I think
Speaker 1: that we it's tough living in New York City and
Speaker 1: they should figure out how to sound proof these damn apartments.
Speaker 1: And um, I think he's a very talented sound designer
Speaker 1: and yet he can really pick up when to play
Speaker 1: guitar that will just make my brain snap into I
Speaker 1: can go from a bad mood to a horrific mood.
Speaker 1: And just one little stroma of that guitar are um
Speaker 1: so huge. Shot to texting with your neighbors. It's so
Speaker 1: important to build community. And I love you and y City.
Speaker 1: I really love that shadow. I'm dealing with the neighbor
Speaker 1: right now who's snoring is keeping me up. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it feels it's disgusting because it feels like I'm sleeping
Speaker 1: with them. Like to feel the vibration, Yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: feel it. It It happens in l A too. Wow. That's
Speaker 1: actually good to know. Um. So, whenever you are ready,
Speaker 1: I say hit it. Okay, okay, okay, shout out to
Speaker 1: shout out to a blue screen viewers on the ears.
Speaker 1: I have a blue screen behind me and I started
Speaker 1: using one because um, I didn't know if this was
Speaker 1: going to be you know, you put out in public
Speaker 1: a visual medium and in some way which a lot
Speaker 1: of podcasts are, and the way I would not let
Speaker 1: like so many individuals into my home. Yet somehow they're
Speaker 1: in my home. You know what I mean, Like they
Speaker 1: get to see to my home, my space, your eyes
Speaker 1: are on it, your energy is in't here. There's so
Speaker 1: many fucking randoms out here. Shout out to the blue screen.
Speaker 1: So these randoms can't see my home. I don't want
Speaker 1: randoms in my home energetically, and their eyeballs are in
Speaker 1: my home. And I'm so grateful because it's like and
Speaker 1: like you'll get under zoom and I'm like, dude, nice couch.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't. I never want you to know
Speaker 1: what my couch looks like. And it's like, so shout
Speaker 1: out to S and I love that blue screen. Wow.
Speaker 1: You know it's so I assumed the screen was in
Speaker 1: front of a wall. I'm now actually peeking on the
Speaker 1: upper right corner. I'm realizing, no, oh my god, there
Speaker 1: is literally a room behind it. Wow. That's amazing. That's impressive.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I was actually an actor in l A
Speaker 1: sort of have a blue screen for my tape. That's incredible. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: Nolas has been an absolute delight. It has been apposed
Speaker 1: to have you on. This has been I've laughed my
Speaker 1: little tuki off. I've had the best time. I really
Speaker 1: need to more than normal. Yeah, and there goes an AirPod. Thought, um,
Speaker 1: well now I simply have to go pee very me too,
Speaker 1: so bad I am going to explode so um with
Speaker 1: your sister. Go Peepist girl by