1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,279 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 2: Let's giants do, get out my Giants, bubble, give me 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 2: some joke. 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Part of The Giants Podcast Network's Roll. Welcome to another 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: edition of The Giants Little Podcast, brought to you by Citizens, 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: the official bank of the New York Giants. We're back, o'harah. 7 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: Schmelk was out last week, banged up, little strep throat. 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: You had to deal with the tino. I apologize for that. 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 2: I actually thought you sounded better with a strip. Throw 10 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: you right now in person. So give me horse and 11 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: coarse Schmelk any. 12 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 3: Day of the week. But we're glad that you're feeling 13 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 3: better and you're back on the man. 14 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: My wife loved well, she loved the machine, had to 15 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: deal with me for two days. She didn't love if 16 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: she had the kids all to herself for two days. 17 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, so there was a balance there. 18 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want you to get healthy, not because I 19 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: want you to feel better, because I need help, she 20 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: said outs flying. 21 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, as I was upstairs, you know, trying to 22 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: keep my kids healthy. Of course. Now my daughter tested 23 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: positive yesterday. Awesome. 24 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: Yeah for Strap, Yeah, yes, that's for Strap. Usually you 25 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 3: get it from the. 26 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: Kids yes, this was the opposite. This time. I was 27 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: with the projetitor of this one, so thanks Dad, good stuff. Yes, exactly, 28 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: Giants did not have a much better week going down 29 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: to Miami. The score was thirty one to sixteen, not bad, 30 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: but you look get a lot of the other numbers 31 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: in terms of you know, yards and yards per play 32 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and the Giants got out played 33 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: in the game. We'll get into some very specific issues, Sean, 34 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: but what was the biggest thing that you're taking away 35 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: from this game, not just for the game specifically, but 36 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: for the Giants moving forward as they try to turn 37 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: this season around. 38 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: Well, it's blocking. 39 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: And we came on this I think week one, and 40 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: we were talking about this game is all about blocking 41 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: and tackling, and the Giants struggled with both. And you know, 42 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: it was the defense we were talking about after the 43 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: forty nine Ers game Boy, they couldn't tackle and that 44 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: has reared it tuggle ahead. But the blocking is the 45 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,279 Speaker 2: issue right now, and it's not just a passing games. 46 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: The run game Wilson squa went out, no, I mean, 47 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: and that's a big part of it too, you know, 48 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: because Saguan he adds a lot of elements to it, 49 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: and he's going to. 50 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 3: Break a lot of tackles. 51 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: But the pass blocking in particular, what's alarming is how 52 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 2: many whiffs there are. Look in the NFL, the defensive 53 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: lignment get paid to. They're really good athletes. Sometimes they're 54 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: actually better athletes than the old lineman. I know it's 55 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 2: shocking to hear sometimes sometimes, but it's like you get 56 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 2: beat sometimes, you know. But getting beat on the second 57 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: move or late in the play is something that quarterbacks 58 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: can survive through. They can they can still make the 59 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: throw and they can still be productive. It's when you're whiffing, 60 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: thank you, when you're getting beat right now at the 61 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. That is when the quarterback cannot get 62 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: away from the rush. And that's what we've seen. And 63 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: it's not just against Miami. This has kind of been building. 64 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 3: You know. Are the reasons for it? Absolutely? 65 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: We have the Giants that were without three starters. Again, 66 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: know Andrew Thomas, You know Ben Burteson is in a center, 67 00:02:58,720 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: then he gets banged up. 68 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: By the way he is just watching him the last 69 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: two games. Much better guard at this point. 70 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: He is a guard and I think if you asked 71 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: him he would tell you, look, I prefer guard. I'll 72 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: play center in a pinch, and that there's value in that. 73 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: But no doubt about it. There were a lot of 74 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: times where you could tell it's snap the ball, oh, 75 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: and then block. And when you're a natural center, and 76 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: when you've been doing a long time, you block while 77 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: you're snapping, so it's simultaneous. So there you could tell 78 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: watching the game that there was a little There were 79 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: times where it was snapped the ball. Oh, yeah, I 80 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: got a block too. The guy's already buying. 81 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: And you just saw two on some of those stunts 82 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: that he was trying to pass off a couple of 83 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: times Whence he went to pass the guy off to 84 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: him and Dysone was on the ground. 85 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 3: Right they were, and that's not gonna work. 86 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, listen, anytime you know I was on a 87 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: team and we had a change of guard or changing center, 88 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: the one thing that shows up is T T twists, 89 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: and that's tackle tackle twists. And you have the wide 90 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: three technique outside shoulder of the guard. He's the penetrator 91 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: and his whole job is to pick the center, so 92 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: he's trying to get inside leverage on that guard and 93 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: then get to the hip of the center and pick 94 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: him and then the looper is coming around, so you 95 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: can't pass it off clean. But what he also knows 96 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: is he's hitting the hip of the center and ricochet, 97 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: which we saw Christian Wilkins do a number of times. 98 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: What you always say two is that you need to 99 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: have those interior guys on the same level, right And 100 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,559 Speaker 1: a lot of times I felt like they weren't lined 101 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: up even to pass. 102 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 2: Those all no, and you want to be a picket fence, 103 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: so the center, after you snap, you've got to get 104 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 2: back on the same level with your guards because you're 105 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: just you know, pre snap, you're already ahead of them. 106 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: So that takes a lot of reps. Takes a lot 107 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: of you know, in order to get that chemistry and 108 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: that continuity, you have to have reps at it. So 109 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 2: that definitely showed up. The other reason why teams will 110 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: do a lot of t T twists like that is 111 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 2: the senate occupies the center and it takes away from 112 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 2: the slide, which means that you're one on one with 113 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: the tackles. And we saw a couple of times josh 114 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: A Zoodoo struggle with that. So you know, on the 115 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: big sack where Daniel Jones got the whiplash hit. Josh 116 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 2: was late on the snap. The ball is snapped and 117 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 2: he he's not out of the stance and the guy's 118 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: already got a step on him. So those are things, 119 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 2: Those are growing pains that you deal with with the 120 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: young offensive lineman. Josh Azudo is a second year player. 121 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: We've got a second year player at right tackle. There's 122 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: still growing pains and growth that they're going through. And 123 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: then you know you've got all this you know, fluidity 124 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: up front with the guards. Glowinski's in at left guard. 125 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: You know, he's been a right guard pretty much all 126 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 2: his career, so there's a lot of variables. 127 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: And then when he then goes out of you Jalen Mayfield, 128 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: the practice squad guy that has very little experience with 129 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: these other guys coming in. 130 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: Well, I could see Christian Wilkins licking his chops when 131 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: Mayfield came in, and it's like, all right, this guy 132 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: just got activated. He hasn't had a live rep, you know, nineteen, 133 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: you know, a couple of years and look he got 134 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 2: beat right now. Like there was a couple of times 135 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: where he got beat on the first move and it 136 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: was an inside move just you know, not not not 137 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: ready for that type of action. So that's frustrating. It's 138 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 2: tough to watch. And as a quarterback, just imagine, you know, 139 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 2: I froze the film numerous times when Daniel Jones backfoot 140 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 2: hit the ground on his drop and literally his backfoot 141 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: hit the ground and there was three gun block guys 142 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: like bearing down on and it's what do you do? 143 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 3: Like it's survival mode at that point. 144 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: He took a lot of a lot of hits in 145 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 2: that game, you know, and he tried to scramble, he 146 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: tried to buy some time. But it just feels like 147 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 2: the same theme over and over again. And yet it 148 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: was a one score game. You know, Graham Ganot misses 149 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 2: a fifty five yard field goal, and I mean they 150 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 2: could have been you know, it could have been really 151 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: within you know, reaching distance. But it just the lack 152 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: of production offensively is stemming from the inability to block. 153 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: And then so you say, okay, we'll help him out, 154 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: which they do. Mike Kafka says, all right, we're gonna 155 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: find We're gonna go play action pass. 156 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep the tight ends in. 157 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 2: They're gonna chip on the outside tackle, I'll keep the 158 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: back out. Well, then the problem is you only have 159 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: two guys running. 160 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: Routes against de Yeah, you got four. 161 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: Defenders and a linebacker and you've got two guys running route, 162 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 2: So there's nowhere to go with the football. You know, 163 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: it's it's tough football, it's tough sledding. When when that's 164 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: the case and everybody wants to say, well, hey, you know, 165 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 2: Kafka and Dable, you guys got to come up with something, 166 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 2: it's hard when. 167 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: They're trying different things like this is what I keep 168 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: trying to tell people this. I know it's tough. Like 169 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 1: they're trying to run it. They're trying to do play action. 170 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: We've seen when they try to do that play action 171 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: boot game. They have so little respect for the run game. 172 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: They just sent it the defensive end of the weekside 173 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: linebacker upfield and blowing up the play. They've tried to 174 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: go wide, play empty and go kind of spread and shred. Well, 175 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: to your point, if the offensive lineman's losing right away, 176 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: can't do that either, because then the quarterback is gonna 177 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: get murdered. So there's only so many things you can do, 178 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: and you know you can probably help out one guy 179 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: that's struggling, but if you have two or three guys 180 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: that are struggling, you run out of options real fast. 181 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes it, It makes it really tough. You know, 182 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: the Giants are not a full back tight end. Hey 183 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: let's go I formation and let's just you know, get 184 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: it downhill. So there's a lot of you know, there's 185 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: a lot of times where offensively, you look at all, right, 186 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: what are we doing well right now? Well the answer 187 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: is not nothing right now. So it's not even like, hey, 188 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: we've got something that we can hang our hat on. 189 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: This is who we're going to be, and this is 190 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: what we're gonna do. You know, I think the challenge 191 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: right now is just they've got to take care of 192 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: the elementary aspects of blocking at the line of scrimmage. 193 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: And it's not even just physically getting beat. One of 194 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: the sacks on Daniel Jones was actually Evan Neil. It 195 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 2: was a mental error. You know, he pass sets and 196 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: he thinks that he's got this linebacker. It's empty protection, 197 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: which means you have to block inside out and take 198 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: all blitzers. 199 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: And to your point, this is what I'm talking about. 200 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: They're trying to spread the field right and send everyone out. 201 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and get everybody out, and then now all of 202 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: a sudden, what you do is when you spread everybody out, 203 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: it really makes the defense to clear. If they are 204 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: going to bring a blitz, you can see it. It's 205 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 2: easier to identify. But you know, the guard was right 206 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: there to pick up the linebacker, and Evan Neil didn't 207 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: know that, so he squeezed it. 208 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 3: On the linebacker. And now you've got to unblocked defensive 209 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 3: end right down on the quarterback. And that's a mental error. 210 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 2: So you combine that with physically getting me, and it's 211 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: just too many and double negatives. 212 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about that because Carl Banks 213 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: and I were talking about that at lunch yesterday and 214 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: we both kind of theorize, is that a pre snap 215 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: mic identification issue where you know the protection should have 216 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: been sliding right, but it wasn't called. Just talk about 217 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: how a mistake like that can happen because fans look 218 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: at and they're like, well, that's impossible. The guy's right there, 219 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: no one's there, how does he not block him? But 220 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: oftentimes it is a little bit more complicated. 221 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a communication aspect and without being in the 222 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 2: huddle and being on the line. I don't know what 223 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: was said and what wasn't, but I do know this, 224 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 2: when you're on the road, you're in the silent count, 225 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: so it's really hard sometimes to hear. 226 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: Maybe he didn't hear. 227 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: The call, but yeah, you normally come up, Hey there's 228 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: the mic. All right, we're gonna slide this way, and 229 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: you have a call for it. Well, factor in that 230 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 2: John Michael Smith is not there, so Bretiston's in a center. 231 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 2: You know, maybe that communication maybe that wasn't said. Maybe 232 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: it wasn't you know, regurgitated down the line. Because when 233 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: you're on the road, the center can make the call. 234 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: The tackle out there can't may not hear it, so 235 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 2: the guard's got to you lay that or you know, 236 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: you have a Roger or Louis call that lets everybody know. 237 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: So clearly Evan Neil not on the same page. He 238 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 2: thought he was responsible for that linebacker and the guard 239 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: was already there taking him. So now you've got an 240 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: unblocked guy, and meanwhile the quarterback thinks he's protected because 241 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: he sees, hey, we're taken care of on the front side. 242 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: Those guys are blocked. So I'm good, and now he's 243 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 2: looking at the other side. 244 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 3: Of the field. 245 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 2: So all of those things really just come down to 246 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 2: communication and the chemistry. When you have been together for 247 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 2: long enough, you could have code words and you could 248 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 2: have little you see the same things. So having a 249 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: different center in there and a different right guard. I 250 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: mean the Giants have had five different starting O line combinations, 251 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: probably more than any team in the league this season alone. 252 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 2: The communication is the biggest factor. Anytime you see some 253 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: of those mental errors, you're. 254 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 4: Ready for a change. 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Did you figure out 264 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: a way to get yourself on that show too? Shan 265 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: or No? 266 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: No, No, I think I think I'm good I think 267 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: I've I've met my Eli for the year. 268 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: So the man cast, by the way, I had the 269 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: chance to see it, Well. 270 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 3: It was great except for the game. 271 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: Well, I was it's like, hey, we're gonna bring on 272 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: Sean o'her now, and the Giants have ten sacks. Oh 273 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: and here's another one. It was like it was just 274 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 2: bringing them up. 275 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: But it was fun. It was it was good. It 276 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 3: was good banter. We got some uh, we've got some 277 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 3: good storytelling. 278 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: I imagine if I'm painting that spot, I'm like, all right, 279 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: I got O'Hara coming in here. I know he's got 280 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: all sorts of dirt on here. I'm gonna try to 281 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: use Sean to take some shots at my younger brother here. 282 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: Is that pretty much what happened. 283 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 2: I felt like that was the way that it was heading. 284 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 3: You know. 285 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: It was kind of like, hey, all right, I need 286 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: you don't come on here and be nice to him, 287 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: come on here and drop the hammer. So but I 288 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: wasn't sure because I feel like Peyton is trying to 289 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: I feel like he feels like he's he's down a score, 290 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 2: like he's kind of playing catch up because Eli's kind 291 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: of been bringing the heat and so I thought that 292 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: I was going to get some of those messages like 293 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 2: hey man, let's you know, tell me what are you doing, 294 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: what's going on? But but it was really more Eli like, hey, 295 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 2: let's team up on Peyton. So get whatever you can 296 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: dish out and get on Peyton because you know we 297 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: would have. We had a couple of conversations like all right, 298 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: you know, what do you want to talk about? What 299 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: story do you want to talk about? And you go 300 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 2: into it saying, if the game is good, we're going 301 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: to talk football. If it's not good, then we've got 302 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: to have some here, We've got to have some fill. 303 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: So now there's some stuff we didn't get to. But 304 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 2: I did get to show the photo of Eli face 305 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 2: planting while we were surfing. I do all that if 306 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 2: you got to see that, But it was you know, 307 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: we were at the Pro Bowl and we all decided 308 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: to go surf and Eli was trying to get up 309 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: on the board and it just was not working out. 310 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: So he was Johnny Utah, he was doing face plants 311 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: and we got, uh, will hows our photographer got a 312 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: great photo of him, and like it's typically Eli, He's 313 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 2: like smiling as he's about like as he's about the 314 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: eat ocean, he's about the uh face plant. So he 315 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: was Johnny Utah. I was much more Bodie. I actually 316 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: got up on the board and I had a picture 317 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 2: of me flexing on the board, so I showed him 318 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: up on that. But we didn't get to pay that 319 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: one off. 320 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 1: If you had that picture, you got to send it in. 321 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: We can. We can put him up on. 322 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: The on the podcast, all right, I'll send it to 323 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: you for sure. The thing that's interesting about that show 324 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: is you were at the mercy of the commercials, so 325 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: like you can literally be like we are in a 326 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: conversation right now and it's like, hey, commercial in ten 327 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: and it's like you got to just cut out of 328 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: whatever you're doing. But that was, you know, the game itself. 329 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 3: You know. 330 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: I came on right after the pick six that DJ threw, 331 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: so it was kind of tough to see all that, 332 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: you know. I I definitely, you know, got a chance 333 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: to tease Eli a little bit. Peyton tried to bring 334 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 2: some material. He had some photos and some questions. But 335 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: I also I think I think the best dig of 336 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: the whole night really, aside from the fact that I 337 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: had to follow Will Ferrell. It was like Will Ferrell 338 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: and Shan O'Haras. So I'm like, all right, what kind 339 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 2: of guest list is this? Will Ferrell is like, you know, 340 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 2: an a lister, and I think you know, I was 341 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 2: the bottom of the barrel. Five people must have canceled 342 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 2: for me to get on the show. But yeah, I 343 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: don't know if Peyton Paint's probably still hot at me 344 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: for this one. But you know, Seahawks five and oh 345 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: at met Life Stadium, they played really well here and 346 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: my parting shot that Peyton was, yeah, I haven't seen 347 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 2: a Seahawks defense destroy an offense since the Super Bowl here, right, Peyton, Yeah, 348 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: he was like, all right, you're done. 349 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 3: I was. 350 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: I was gonna see if we can hold you on 351 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: for one more, one more segment, but you're done, You're out. 352 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, PM's not happy about it. 353 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: Oh that was pretty good, all right. I'm sorry for 354 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: that Aside that, folks, but that was fun. All right. So, Sean, 355 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: aside from getting John Michael Schwist Andrew Thomas back, which 356 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: obviously would solve a lot of these problems, and frankly, 357 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: I think at this point almost getting John Michael Schmid's 358 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: back would solve more because you fix center and then 359 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: you probably fix one of the guard spots because you 360 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: slide Bredison over to what can this group do now? 361 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: Now Marcus mc keithan might be out, what can this 362 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: group do to try to you know, they aren't going 363 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: to be a top unit. They aren't going to be 364 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: you know, just just get close to where your offense 365 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: can function because to your point, you know, Daniels getting 366 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: so hit here and we saw this with Eli towards 367 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: the end of his career. Then even when the pressure's 368 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: not there, you're thinking the pressure is coming because it's 369 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: mental and your clock just gets sped up so much. 370 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: It just makes it really difficult for you to call 371 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: on offense for the quarterback to operate in. 372 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm a movie guy, so I'm gonna 373 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 2: resort back to days of thunder here. This is like 374 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: Cole Trickle after he gets in the accident and he 375 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: gets back in the car and he just can't get 376 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: comfortable and he doesn't trust it, and he revs the 377 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: engine was the RPM blows the engine and you know 378 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: he's scared. 379 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 3: So look for Daniel Jones. 380 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: This feels very similar to a couple of years ago 381 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 2: when we had this issue. Even the back half the 382 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: last year or two of Eli's career, it was man 383 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: just abysmo line play and just you know, a quarterback 384 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: that doesn't trust the pocket. So I think the biggest 385 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: thing that this offense needs to do is they need 386 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: to get their quarterback confidence, confidence that I can take 387 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: a three step five step drop and I'm not going 388 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: to get smoked. I'm not going to get drilled. I 389 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: need to be able to trust that I can hang 390 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: in there. You know, for anybody that watched the Monday 391 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: night game, Jimmy Garoppolo hung in that pocket like I 392 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 2: mean all day long. 393 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 3: He would slide up the pocket. 394 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, they I mean they got the ballut quick, but 395 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 2: there were times where he was, you know, stepping up 396 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: from an edge rusher and then moving and navigating within 397 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 2: the pocket and not breaking contain and then finding you know, 398 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: Jacoby Myers down the field or Devonte Adams. 399 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 3: So that's what they have to get back to. 400 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: Andrew Thomas coming back well absolutely help twofold number one, 401 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 2: your best offensive lineman. You know, he's a Pro Bowl player. 402 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 2: That in itself is going to be huge. But the 403 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 2: ripple effect of not having Andrew Thomas. It wasn't all right, 404 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 2: We're just gonna put Matt Peerton. It was we're going 405 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 2: to move a Zudu from guard to tackle. I think, 406 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: I really think Azudu is a better guard. I think 407 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: he was playing out a position at tackle and it 408 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 2: showed up, and there was a couple of times where 409 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: you know, he looked like he was struggling in space. 410 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 2: But having Andrew Thomas back and John Michael Schmid's back, 411 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 2: it will make this offensive line stouter, No doubt they 412 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: will be better. I think the communication will be better. 413 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: But the biggest key is they have to start fast, 414 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 2: like you've got to go out and you know, look, 415 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: everybody knows the Giants have not scored a touchdown in 416 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 2: the first half yet this season. Offensively, no, the defense did, 417 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: but the defense now has more points in the first 418 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 2: half than the offense. That's not a recipe for any 419 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 2: kind of victory. But offensively, we always talk about, hey, 420 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 2: we got to start fast, like the opening drive. That's 421 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 2: for the Giants to build confidence and to give confidence 422 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: to their quarterback and to the whole team. Really, they 423 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 2: have to score on the first drive, opening possession, even 424 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: if it's just a field goal. You have to take 425 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 2: that ball down on your first possession. You got to 426 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 2: march down the field and you've got to find a 427 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 2: way to get some points on the board because the 428 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 2: defense doesn't believe in you right now. They don't trust 429 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: that you're going to score points. They don't trust that 430 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: you're going to deliver. And I think the Bills right 431 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 2: now this is a perfect recipe for the Giants. The 432 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 2: Bills are coming off of a tough loss on the 433 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 2: road in London, so you know, maybe that's a factor. 434 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: They're banged up defensively. You know, you mentioned Matt Malonald 435 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 2: being out white whites out gregorsso so this is, you know, 436 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: this is a good time to be playing the Bills. 437 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 2: I've always felt like it's not always who you play, 438 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 2: but when you play there. I don't know if there's 439 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: ever a good time to play the Buffalo Bills. And 440 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: Josh Allen right now with what he's doing, but they 441 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: literally ran for twenty nine yards against Jacksonville. So they 442 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 2: were completely one dimensional, and that's what you want to 443 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 2: do as a defense. You want to make a team 444 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: one dimensional. Josh Allen for three hundred and sixty yards 445 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: and had two hundred receivers, but they lost. So I 446 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 2: think the Giants are going to try to do exactly 447 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: what Jacksonville did, try to get some more turnovers. Then 448 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: the ironic thing is we've been begging for turnovers. The 449 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: Giants are plus three in turnovers against Miami and yet 450 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 2: they still take the l. 451 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 4: You love turn You're good at it. So you start 452 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 4: a turf fizz business grows, your savings grow, become the 453 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 4: most celebrated name in turfs? Are you ready for all 454 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 4: that life? 455 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: Rings? Bill's do let? Twenty one sacks by the way 456 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: to lead the NFL? 457 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, aj Apanessa went off. He had a monster game. 458 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: And by the way, to just give you an idea 459 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: of how bad it's been, twenty one sacks for a 460 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: defense leads the league? Right, top unit in football? Right? 461 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: Giants have given up three? 462 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, got eleven Sat Game and seven and Week one. 463 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 3: I mean that right there? 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Let's 471 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: tough quickly on this Giants defense, Shawn, and we'll kind 472 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: of roll it into the Bills of this upcoming week. 473 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: They didn't miss a lot of tackles against the Dolphins. 474 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: There just didn't seem to be guys there when the 475 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: Dolphins players are running really fast for the episode, Yeah, 476 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: they found a lot of space in a lot of room. 477 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: You mentioned the Trey Hawkins play where you know, guys 478 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: impressed one on one against Tyreek Hill with no help. 479 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: That's probably not where you want him. He missed and 480 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: he missed a jam, and then that was pretty much roll. 481 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: She wrote, What does this Giants defense have to do 482 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: to start revving the engine a little bit and slowing 483 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: down a Bill's offense which has been really really productive 484 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: this year? 485 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, Miami's been tough for a lot 486 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 2: of teams to handle, and that speed, it's you know, 487 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: how do you simulate that in practice? Like you could 488 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 2: talk about, hey, look this guy Chan has got an 489 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 2: unbelievable burst. How do you simulate that. How do you 490 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 2: get your defense ready for that. You mentioned the less mistackles, 491 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 2: and you know it's because they weren't even in position 492 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 2: to try to make the tackle, sometimes because they were 493 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,479 Speaker 2: already by them. Of course, Tyreek Hill is a different animal, 494 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 2: and I think to your point on that touchdown throw, 495 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 2: you know there's no excuse to not have him doubled 496 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 2: like there was a Saint Xavier McKinney was over there 497 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: and you're over there for a reason. He's got to 498 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: have over the top help you can't put. There isn't 499 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: a corner in the league right now that can run 500 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,479 Speaker 2: with Tyreek Hill. So you know, I'm sure that's a 501 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 2: call that wing Martin Dell would like to have back. 502 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: But I think the biggest thing is the Giants defense 503 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: has to continue to get pressure like they have not 504 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 2: gotten a lot of interior pressure. Leonard Williams and Dexter Lawrence, 505 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: this is your game, this is your opportunity. I think 506 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 2: if you look at at what Josh Allen brings to 507 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 2: this table, he likes to extend plays, he likes to 508 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: run around and try to stress your defense with the 509 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 2: scramble mode. Your interior pressure is paramount. He can get 510 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 2: away from the edge rusher, he can't get away from 511 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 2: the interior pressure. So Dion Dawkins, they're left tackle. He's 512 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,239 Speaker 2: probably their best lineman. You know, they didn't have They 513 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 2: threw the ball forty times against Jacksonville, not one sack. 514 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: So that's one of the things that they've done a 515 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 2: pretty good job of. Josh Allen's responsible for that. But 516 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 2: make them one dimensional like Jacksonville did. If you could 517 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 2: stop the run, that's always goal number one as a defense. 518 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 2: Find a way to get some turnovers. You know, Pinnock 519 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 2: had that great interception. Oh Kerrick, he got his hand 520 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 2: on the ball twice. That interception he deflected and then 521 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 2: the other one he caught. So McKinney punched one out. 522 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: You know, those were big plays. You need some of those, 523 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 2: especially on the road. But I think the biggest thing 524 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: is just like no big plays. You can't give up 525 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: the easy touchdown. You can't give up you can't fall 526 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: for the double move by Stefan Diggs. And they're gonna 527 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 2: find a way to try to get Digs on some 528 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 2: sort of go route, whether it's running across the field 529 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 2: and they're trying to put your safety in a bind. 530 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 2: So those players are gonna be there and and they 531 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 2: just can't give up that big play. 532 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what the Bills to your point with 533 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: Josh Allen running around what they want to do. And 534 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: I think you hit a Sean to me, where the 535 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: most talent is on this defense and the most veteran 536 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: talent is on this defense is up front. Yeah, you 537 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: go from Leonard Williams and Dexter Lawrence. I'm gonna throw 538 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: a Sean Robinson in the mix. Nacho camon Thibodauz in 539 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: the second year. We know is he's Allari has a 540 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: lot of juice coming off the edge. He's healthy. Now, 541 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: if you're going to win this match against Buffalo, that's 542 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: where you're gonna win it. Look, it's gonna be tough seletting. 543 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: Stefan Digs is really good, all right, It's tough to 544 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: cover him. You know, they have other guys Dustin Knox, 545 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: Dalton Concay, Gabriel Davis save some guys that can run 546 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: around and get open downfield. It's gonna be tough going. 547 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: But if you're gonna win, those big guys up front 548 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: have to come and just dominate. One of these games 549 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: in the paint, and that's where you're gonna have to 550 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: win this because if Josh Allen sitting back there doing 551 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: whatever he wants when he's on sean and he's not 552 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: thrown to the other team, which he does have games, 553 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: though sometimes he'll just implode like he did against the 554 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: Jets and just make dumb decisions. He might be the 555 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: best quarterback in football when he's playing the best version 556 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: of football of himself. 557 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know it's Mahomes and Josh Allen, 558 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 2: and I think you know, anybody that lives on the 559 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 2: East Coast is probably taking Josh just because of proximity. 560 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 3: When you know, the guy is. 561 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 2: Not like Mahomes is so smooth and he's fluid, he's athletic, 562 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 2: but he wants to throw the ball. Like, make no 563 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 2: mistake about it. I think Josh Allen would actually prefer 564 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: to run somebody over or jump over somebody as opposed 565 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 2: to throwing the ball. So he's a different animal from 566 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 2: that standpoint. But also it can be to his detriment, 567 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 2: and that's where we've seen a lot of the turnovers happen. 568 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 2: You know, he goes airborne, he's not scared to go 569 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: high and I think that, you know, you've got to 570 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 2: make them pay with that. But I think the one 571 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 2: thing the Giants should not do is do not wear 572 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: T shirts with emojis on them. 573 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 3: That did not work out well for Miami. 574 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: Wait wait, what did they do? I didn't catch that. 575 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: So when the Dolphins, you know, all week long, everybody 576 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 2: was talking about, oh my gosh, seventy points, Dolphins, how 577 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 2: are you going to stop this offense? They're the best 578 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: offensive league, best offens league. The Buffalo Bills were kind 579 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 2: of getting tired of hearing about it. Well, the social 580 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 2: media team for the Miami Dolphins posted when they landed 581 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: in Buffalo on Saturday. When they came out for the game, 582 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: they were all they were wearing emoji shirts like with 583 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 2: the you know, like this this emoji think kind of thing. 584 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 2: So Miami was wearing that because it was kind of like, oh, hey, 585 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: you know, are we. 586 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 3: The best team? 587 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 2: You know, because everybody's been talking about the Bills are 588 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 2: the best offense and Josh Allen and then it was like, 589 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 2: maybe we're the better team. We just put up seventy 590 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 2: on Denver, like okay, So the Bills players saw that 591 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: that this emoji. So when Josh Allen scored his touchdown, 592 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 2: he went like this, Stefan Diggs like this, So it 593 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 2: kind of created a little extra you know, bizazz to 594 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: that and a little more juice. I think that the 595 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: Bills felt like they were kind of being slighted. Oh 596 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 2: it was in reference to the fact that Miami was underdogs. 597 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 3: I think I think it was a line as well, 598 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 3: and it was like, oh wow. 599 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 2: Okay, any points and yet we're still underdogs going in 600 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: the Buffalo, So you know that all kind of got 601 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: strown out and hey, you know whatever, whatever gets a 602 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 2: team modevated, whatever you need, go for it. I mean, 603 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: if we're down to emojis right now, that's what it is. 604 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: If the Giants should need any more motivation than trying 605 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: to get there second one of the year. 606 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 2: Is there a block emoji, because that would be appropriate. 607 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if there is. Yeah, maybe you get 608 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: like a cinder block so that something like that maybe 609 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: the closest thing. I think it's more of like a 610 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: stop thing. Stop. Yeah, I'm just sure you want to 611 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: do that, you know, asking somebody to stop. You kind 612 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: of have to just do it yourself to make them stop. Yeah, correct, 613 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,479 Speaker 1: show good stuff. Showte Howard John Schmolke. Giants Little Podcast, 614 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: brought you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants. 615 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: We'll see you next week.