Speaker 1: I am all in. Oh, I kiss you. I am
Speaker 1: all in with Scott Patterson and I heart radio podcast. Everybody.
Speaker 1: It's Scott. How are you? How is everybody doing? We've
Speaker 1: got uh an exciting guest, Susan Ritan, formerly of L
Speaker 1: A Law. If you remember L A Law. What a
Speaker 1: great series. H Emmy Award nominated actress multiple times for
Speaker 1: her role as Corbin Burnson's assistant in that show. Uh,
Speaker 1: and I think she's in the green room. Um, and
Speaker 1: listen while we're waiting. Don't forget Live podcast Friends Giving,
Speaker 1: Emily Coroda, Jackson, Douglas Grantly, Phillips Grantly, Buffalo and who's
Speaker 1: the last one? Who's the last one? Sally Struthers. For
Speaker 1: God's sake, I almost forgot Sally. Sally Struther is gonna
Speaker 1: join us. The most talented, the funniest, and the strongest
Speaker 1: woman I have ever met. Um because she's able to
Speaker 1: leap tooll buildings in a single bound. Um and pick
Speaker 1: me up and carry me around a set for thirty
Speaker 1: minutes at a time. Uh and boys, and that a story.
Speaker 1: But Susan Routan is gonna be joining us any minute.
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm here. Hello, Hi, nice meeting you. How
Speaker 1: are you. I'm well, thanks, how are you? I'm doing
Speaker 1: very very well. Thanks for joining us, Thanks for being
Speaker 1: on the podcast. We're excited to have you. We love
Speaker 1: the episode. It's a it was a real kick in
Speaker 1: the you know what's then the whole the whole um.
Speaker 1: So um, you played well, you were big l a
Speaker 1: law I mean now was a huge series and you
Speaker 1: were nominated multiple times. And uh, I think our producers
Speaker 1: are trying to figure out what happened between you and
Speaker 1: Corbyn Burnson or Corbyn Burnson and other people and what
Speaker 1: didn't he dated around? Right? He was? Oh yes, he
Speaker 1: was a slut okay on the show. I'm not speaking personally.
Speaker 1: I love around he did, And Roxanne and Army finally
Speaker 1: hooked up, um, which I don't think the audience really
Speaker 1: liked that. They felt Roxanne deserved better, didn't like why
Speaker 1: so why didn't they like that? I think they said,
Speaker 1: I think they felt Roxanne deserved better. Um, they kind
Speaker 1: of liked the tension between them. You know, that's often
Speaker 1: the case in shows when two people get together after
Speaker 1: a long time kind of danced and the audiences go, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we kind have preferred it the old way. Um,
Speaker 1: so it was it was fine. Well, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 1: Did you know did you watch Road Trip to Harvard?
Speaker 1: Did you? Did you enjoy? I did, yes, and I
Speaker 1: forgot how wonderful that show was. Right, Well, tell us
Speaker 1: how you got the part for Kilmore Girls. Um, you
Speaker 1: know for that show. I don't really remember, you know,
Speaker 1: it might have been offered or it probably was at
Speaker 1: that time offered um to do. Um. I don't remember
Speaker 1: what year that was. That was two and one, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was probably it's a long time. Do you remember
Speaker 1: do you remember about interacting with anybody on the set
Speaker 1: or who you were? Oh? I just remember that the
Speaker 1: people everybody on the show was really nice and really welcoming.
Speaker 1: They really made you feel like you were a part
Speaker 1: of it, which doesn't always happen when you're resting on
Speaker 1: a show, but that they were really Um it comes
Speaker 1: from the head, you know, the people that the leaders
Speaker 1: of the show were terrific and that just extended to
Speaker 1: everybody who came on it. M Yeah, I was very
Speaker 1: surprised to get that role, uh, because it was you know,
Speaker 1: that was the time when when people from film we're
Speaker 1: crossing over into doing television, and the script was of
Speaker 1: such quality, I figured, well, you know, it's going to
Speaker 1: have a nice audition and that's going to be it
Speaker 1: A big movie stars gonna right, I mean, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be right. A name, they're going to get a name
Speaker 1: in there, right, And uh, I think you know, the
Speaker 1: creators fought for all of us individually, like no, well
Speaker 1: thank you that you were like perfect. I think I
Speaker 1: think I think you're right. I think it was like
Speaker 1: the one thing of the thousands of auditions if I
Speaker 1: had that that I fit perfectly in. Yeah, because because
Speaker 1: it's nice when that happens, isn't it. You just get
Speaker 1: this and you go, oh yeah, this is me. Yeah
Speaker 1: right right, I can do this and I can't see
Speaker 1: anybody else doing it and I to do this and um,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know how it is. You go
Speaker 1: in and you're almost right for something, but there's something
Speaker 1: a little like you know, and you never get those jobs.
Speaker 1: You never get those jobs. Isn't that funny how that is?
Speaker 1: I mean, casting is so ultraspecific. It's such a difficult
Speaker 1: thing to do, and that's the reason they see so
Speaker 1: many people. It's different now, it's just sort of like
Speaker 1: you go on. There's no contact now, it's just you
Speaker 1: just put yourself on. You're just a barrel somewhere that
Speaker 1: you put yourself send it in exactly, and it's like
Speaker 1: there's no person to person contact, there's no getting to
Speaker 1: know anybody, there's no no feedback. No, you know that
Speaker 1: was great. Can we try it a different way sort
Speaker 1: of thing? It's like you got one shot at it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I think I think it would be better if
Speaker 1: they just you know, cast you off your previous work,
Speaker 1: because that's going to be the best possible tape you have.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not gonna make anything in your in
Speaker 1: your basement. That's better than than I mean, in my case,
Speaker 1: it's better and more girls they're looking for. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not drooling out of one side of my mouth yet.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I can do the part right.
Speaker 1: That's good. You're okay anyway? Yes, things have changed? Um so,
Speaker 1: all right, so looking back on this episode now we're
Speaker 1: back to Gilmore. Did did you laugh out loud when
Speaker 1: you were watching this episode? Tell about that part? You know?
Speaker 1: I loved I love them, you know, their expressions and
Speaker 1: their responses just fed everything I knew. I mean that person.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's she's a relative, she's I know that person. Uh,
Speaker 1: the person that I played. Um, that person who's so
Speaker 1: interested in everything you do. Um. So yeah, and and
Speaker 1: uh and I've forgotten about that haircut, which is really
Speaker 1: the same haircut as my haircut I had in the
Speaker 1: first grade. Um. So that made me laugh. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I I I just I felt really fond of the
Speaker 1: show watching it, like, oh, yeah, I remember this, this
Speaker 1: was great. Yeah. There was a term I read over
Speaker 1: the weekend about there's a condition now known as positive toxicity,
Speaker 1: where somebody is so ultra positive all of the time
Speaker 1: it can actually be harmful. It's like, it's like, why
Speaker 1: do you blanch when people are just so overwhelmingly positive
Speaker 1: all the time, even in the face of, you know,
Speaker 1: where their friend needs support or something terrible happened, They're
Speaker 1: just like to keep your chain up, just just you
Speaker 1: know this kind of I have to remember that. It
Speaker 1: reminded me of those characters where they're just like completely
Speaker 1: positive all the time. It kind of makes sense now
Speaker 1: why why Laurel and Rory were avoiding them, because it
Speaker 1: was there was a little level of toxicity. There was
Speaker 1: kind of funny it was very funny. Yeah, that is
Speaker 1: That was a great episode. I love that episode. I
Speaker 1: love them. You know, I loved you in it when
Speaker 1: when you found out that she wasn't going to marry him,
Speaker 1: and it's so subtle and beautiful. Put a little zippity
Speaker 1: back in my dude, didn't it. Yeah? It was great.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Um. You know, I don't remember a single
Speaker 1: thing about any of these episodes. You don't. I never
Speaker 1: watched them, and you know, your short term memories developed
Speaker 1: to the point where you just sort of, you know,
Speaker 1: you get rid of the old stuff to make room
Speaker 1: for the new dialogue, and you know what that's like.
Speaker 1: So I don't. I don't remember these scenes. And I'm
Speaker 1: it's like I'm watching another person. It's so odd. That's interesting,
Speaker 1: and it's so odd because I don't know who that
Speaker 1: is I'm watching and I'm thinking, God, he's you know,
Speaker 1: when I'm good, I'm thinking, Wow, guy's pretty good. And
Speaker 1: then when I'm bad, I'm like, God, that guy, really
Speaker 1: that's stunk. You know, the should it shouldn't have kept
Speaker 1: that take, you know, you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But I get all judge with myself, but not as myself,
Speaker 1: but I'm looking at another person, isn't that? You know?
Speaker 1: I don't watch what I do. I do because I
Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want to be in that
Speaker 1: moment going God, why did you do that? Why do
Speaker 1: I say? Why was my face like that? Second guesser's hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't do it. That's why I always I just
Speaker 1: you know, I waited twenty years to to watch it,
Speaker 1: and I'm disconnected from it now, and it's I can
Speaker 1: sit back and really, um be critical about it and
Speaker 1: in a constructive way, you know, I mean, not be
Speaker 1: you know, not try to sure got anything because it's me,
Speaker 1: because it doesn't really seem like me. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: very odd, it's kind of fun. Um yeah, yeah, alright.
Speaker 1: So look in this episode, you and your husband Grill,
Speaker 1: Laurela and Rory about their lives. Did you receive any
Speaker 1: direction that you recall on how to play that scene? No? Good?
Speaker 1: You know, I find I don't know about you, but
Speaker 1: I find that generally true. What you you know, what
Speaker 1: what you bring in is generally what they want. It's
Speaker 1: like they hired you for that reason because you gave
Speaker 1: them what they wanted, and they don't really have to
Speaker 1: tell you it might be you know, don't stand so close,
Speaker 1: or you know, turn around a little bit, stay out
Speaker 1: of the camera, you know, just you know that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. But really it's your personality, your your nature,
Speaker 1: your intuitive reaction to the character. Um No, I don't
Speaker 1: recall any specific direction except sit there and that's it.
Speaker 1: Have you ever have you ever nailed an audition gotten
Speaker 1: the offer, got on set and you were opposite your
Speaker 1: scene partner or partners, and it was just just felt
Speaker 1: so wrong that you didn't know how to because the
Speaker 1: audition was so smooth and you you connected with the
Speaker 1: reader or whatever, and you can connect with anybody, but
Speaker 1: then you get there. That's one job like that where
Speaker 1: I loved the material and my audition was like, I
Speaker 1: couldn't have done it better. The job was mine. I
Speaker 1: at it. I went to the set the first rehearsal,
Speaker 1: the person that I was supposed to have a strong
Speaker 1: emotional relationship be his mother was dead in the water
Speaker 1: and just and was hostile. Um And it was the
Speaker 1: most unpleasant. I mean, I just wanted to walk away,
Speaker 1: but you know, you don't do that. You keep hoping
Speaker 1: that somebody's going to bring something out of that person
Speaker 1: or direct them or or let them know that they
Speaker 1: need to know. But that was that was really I
Speaker 1: think the only really bad interaction I ever had, and
Speaker 1: it was it was hurtful. I cried after it because
Speaker 1: I couldn't do what I do. I couldn't. I was
Speaker 1: it was like acting with a mean brick wall, spikes
Speaker 1: all over it. You know, you just you know, have
Speaker 1: you that ever have been to you? Yeah? Unfortunately, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it happened to me over a period of time, uh,
Speaker 1: with the same person, and it's just sort of it
Speaker 1: started out so great and I mean just like amazingly
Speaker 1: well and then it just devolved into this psychodrama. I
Speaker 1: mean it was just really weird over a period of time. Um,
Speaker 1: and it it almost put me off serious television. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it can do that almost. I I remember saying to
Speaker 1: my my team at the time, I said, look, I
Speaker 1: think I'm kind of done. You know. Gilmore was great,
Speaker 1: and but this happened and it was like, maybe we
Speaker 1: should just take a break for a while because that
Speaker 1: was you know, part of that is because when you're
Speaker 1: as an actor, you're not just standing there saying lines.
Speaker 1: You're opening up your heart to whatever who's ever next
Speaker 1: to you, whoever you're talking to, their true emotions. They're
Speaker 1: not it's not like fake anything. So when somebody doesn't
Speaker 1: respond to you or blocked you, that's such a good point.
Speaker 1: That's such a good point. It's such a good point,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, that that that interaction amongst the cast
Speaker 1: is crucial. Yeah, it's crucial. And you do form families
Speaker 1: you I mean, they don't last. You know, maybe once
Speaker 1: in a while you have a lasting friendship with somebody,
Speaker 1: but they you do form these little tribes and they're important.
Speaker 1: There important support systems that are woven together, you know,
Speaker 1: one kindness or one gesture at a time, one successful
Speaker 1: scene after another, and they just build and build and build.
Speaker 1: And I mean the experience started out just wonderful. It
Speaker 1: was just wonderful, and then all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: could hear the screeching breaks and it just went down,
Speaker 1: and uh, I just couldn't wait for it to end.
Speaker 1: And I was so glad that it didn't get picked up.
Speaker 1: You have know what, Oh yeah, to think that you
Speaker 1: might have to do that for seven years, Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: I've never been so happy in my life. My manager
Speaker 1: called me, said, I got good news and bad as
Speaker 1: I said, what's the I said, what's the good what's
Speaker 1: the bad news? This series got canceled. I said, that's
Speaker 1: the best news. What's the what's the good news? She
Speaker 1: goes the series got canceled. Let me ask you, so
Speaker 1: you you've been constantly working? I mean, do you always
Speaker 1: have the next job lined up? Oh? No, definitely not.
Speaker 1: I UM, you know, I'm I don't. I don't really
Speaker 1: work as much anymore. I mean, I work, but I
Speaker 1: don't work like I'm. I don't want to work so
Speaker 1: much anymore. Let me say that I I'm enjoying my life.
Speaker 1: I'm writing, I'm working on a project, developing project. We've
Speaker 1: got a deal on it. I'm i'm I'm. I want
Speaker 1: to take time to do the things that I love
Speaker 1: to do. The jobs that I take, I love doing them. Um,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to work all the time. I'd
Speaker 1: like to recur on things. That's that's my idea of
Speaker 1: a good life. Call me when you need me. I
Speaker 1: do love to work. I'm actually looking. I haven't done
Speaker 1: a play in years, and I just worked on a show,
Speaker 1: UM with a fellow who played my husband, David Wells
Speaker 1: and wonderful actor, and he we became friends. When you
Speaker 1: talk about being friends, we became friends. We had an
Speaker 1: arduous job that we had to do um and through
Speaker 1: that we supported each other. And and he brought me
Speaker 1: a play that someone had written and we're gonna start
Speaker 1: working on. Oh good, that's exciting. And you know, good
Speaker 1: things come at you know, these things happen you. You
Speaker 1: just keep finding the things that make you have Right.
Speaker 1: It's like when I thought of this podcast, It's kind
Speaker 1: of a funny story because I thought it was some
Speaker 1: incredibly original idea that hit me in the middle of
Speaker 1: the pandemic, right, and I was not aware that there
Speaker 1: were like, you know, ninety thousand of these rewatch podcasts
Speaker 1: going on at the time. So I called Amy, the
Speaker 1: producer of this, and I said, listen, I have this idea.
Speaker 1: Lightning is struck. I have this idea. And when when
Speaker 1: she came back very quickly and said, look, we have
Speaker 1: a deal, let's let's do it, I was shocked. I
Speaker 1: was shocked. There was like or more, um, way more. Uh.
Speaker 1: But uh, it's always nice to work. It's always nice
Speaker 1: to have a job. Yes, it will, especially when you're
Speaker 1: having fun with it. It's a blast. It's a blast
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm also a producer on it, and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, all the guests are are so much fun
Speaker 1: and they're so happy to be talking about the show
Speaker 1: and their experiences, and it's just it's just really it is.
Speaker 1: It's it's a true gift. It really is. Um. So
Speaker 1: let me ask you. You've been on shows like Grey's,
Speaker 1: Anatomy nine one one, and Mom, uh, and there has
Speaker 1: there been a show that stands out more than the others,
Speaker 1: uh in terms of the times that you spent on set,
Speaker 1: in the memories that you took away from it. Um,
Speaker 1: I would Mom was one of my favorite shows. Uh.
Speaker 1: Working with Anna and and everybody else on this show,
Speaker 1: I was really sad, you know, I was recurring on
Speaker 1: that show, and I was really sad. Went on and
Speaker 1: decided to to go up and do what she needed
Speaker 1: to do, wasn't I was sad for myself, not for her.
Speaker 1: She's you know, she had other things to happen. So
Speaker 1: she she left the series after a couple of years,
Speaker 1: a couple of seasons before the last season. How many
Speaker 1: How long did it go? Uh? I think it was
Speaker 1: six seasons, So six seasons total. She left after the fifth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she you know, she had whatever it was. It was
Speaker 1: her life, you know, and she had things to do.
Speaker 1: But I was really sad not to get to play
Speaker 1: with her anymore on that show. Was a great relationship.
Speaker 1: And there have been endless shows that I've had wonderful
Speaker 1: times on. I've been working on the United States of
Speaker 1: Al recently, and and that's a wonderful group. I mean,
Speaker 1: Chuck Laurie, Chuck Laurie has great sets. You know, he's
Speaker 1: a he's a terrific fellow. He's mindful of everybody's needs.
Speaker 1: He's he's so brilliant. I'm just privileged to be a
Speaker 1: part of that. Let me ask you, uh, since we're
Speaker 1: talking a little bit about longevity in the business, Um,
Speaker 1: when you got the role of Roxanne on l A Law,
Speaker 1: did you know that you were going to be doing
Speaker 1: that role for a hundred and fifty episodes? Did you
Speaker 1: have any inkling? No? No, I didn't think about it.
Speaker 1: I tell you, I never really thought of acting as
Speaker 1: a career. Um. I just sort of fell into it.
Speaker 1: Uh So I never thought anything about long term. I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: this is fun, I'm doing this. Now I'm not like
Speaker 1: UM in the Future. I just I just was there.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, that show. You know, that Roxane, that
Speaker 1: character UM was my other half, you know, she was.
Speaker 1: She was that part of me that didn't get presented
Speaker 1: all the time. Um uh yeah. Roxanne. Was sometimes hard
Speaker 1: for me to talk about that show because emotionally, I
Speaker 1: was so deeply connected to it. Everybody in it, everybody
Speaker 1: was fantastic. Again a show where the set there were
Speaker 1: no issues. Everybody genuinely liked each other. We had parties,
Speaker 1: we had dinners, we had you know, we didn't go
Speaker 1: home and forget about it, right. Gosh, different times, huh,
Speaker 1: different different at different times. You know. I remember once,
Speaker 1: uh one of my teachers in New York said to me, Scott,
Speaker 1: be careful what you do in the business, right because
Speaker 1: you only have so many performances inside you mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And you know when we were all, you know, training
Speaker 1: in New York and doing our theater in that whole deal,
Speaker 1: we had this kind of attitude, Uh, this position we
Speaker 1: took against TV because of the repetitive nature of it.
Speaker 1: You have to do this care If you get a series,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be on it for you know, potentially you know, two, three, five,
Speaker 1: seven years, whatever it is. And you know, we were
Speaker 1: warned about this, said, you're not going to be able
Speaker 1: to do the great roles, not going to be able
Speaker 1: to do the roles you want to do. You're gonna
Speaker 1: do this one role that you want to do at
Speaker 1: the time, but then seven years later you're gonna evolve
Speaker 1: as a person. But you keep having to go back
Speaker 1: and dip into the same well. And you know, careful,
Speaker 1: it could rob you of whatever gift you have been
Speaker 1: given to portray all these different characters. If you're so
Speaker 1: inclined that you want to have a varied career, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And man, was she right because
Speaker 1: at the end of Gilmore, I was like, Wow, I
Speaker 1: need a break. It's like when you get to the
Speaker 1: point where you're right, acting shouldn't be a job. It
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a daily job, but it is, right, So
Speaker 1: how do you so? The hard part about TV, and
Speaker 1: I know you went through this is how do you
Speaker 1: keep it fresh? How do you stay inspired? And when
Speaker 1: it becomes a burden, when it becomes like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: my job, and yeah, you know there are those you
Speaker 1: know you take those jobs and sometimes that's just about money.
Speaker 1: You know, they're offering me a lot of money to
Speaker 1: do something that may not be, you know, the biggest
Speaker 1: heart thing in the world, but you'll do it because
Speaker 1: sometimes you do have to do a job, or you
Speaker 1: want to do the job or whatever. Um. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think the thing is to keep your heart intact,
Speaker 1: you know, to keep present emotionally with every role. UM.
Speaker 1: In l a Law. One of the things that I
Speaker 1: was grateful for was that the character evolved. She was
Speaker 1: not the same person at the end of the show
Speaker 1: as she was at the beginning. She grew as a
Speaker 1: human being, and that that doesn't always happen on a series. UM.
Speaker 1: So in that sense, I was extremely lucky. UM. Do
Speaker 1: you feel like your character on on the show like
Speaker 1: grew and without question, without question? Yeah, And that's it's
Speaker 1: like it's like you get to live the life of
Speaker 1: another person, um, which is amazing. Uh. That's what it's
Speaker 1: great for actors. We get to be all these other people,
Speaker 1: experience their trials and tribulations and loves and losses and
Speaker 1: and uh, and then go back to our own. It's like,
Speaker 1: if they're really bad, you could leave those behind. Now.
Speaker 1: I think we were all excited to come back and
Speaker 1: do the reboot reboot with Netflix in two thousand and
Speaker 1: sixteen because there was you know, there was still a
Speaker 1: lot of life left in the characters and in the story,
Speaker 1: and we weren't, um, what's the term. We weren't really
Speaker 1: artistically bankrupt as much as maybe we thought we were
Speaker 1: at the end of the run of the series. Um
Speaker 1: because some people had some pretty empty gas tanks artistically speaking,
Speaker 1: and needed to, you know, explore greener pastures. And I
Speaker 1: fully understand and support that. I wonder what you're doing this.
Speaker 1: You know, the fans need content at they're not getting
Speaker 1: any content. I mean, this is this is a fan
Speaker 1: base that is so utterly devoted and for obvious reasons,
Speaker 1: and they're not getting any content. It must be so frustrating.
Speaker 1: And now I get how they feel. I mean, it
Speaker 1: must be so frustrating just loving something so much and
Speaker 1: it's just unrequited, unrequited year after year, and you live
Speaker 1: on hope, and you live on hope and just nothing happens.
Speaker 1: And then you get this reboot, which was kind of like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, right, it was math a little bit.
Speaker 1: And so they want they want more, they want better,
Speaker 1: and so I'm well, I'm you know, I'm doing my
Speaker 1: little part, my little part. No, we are you and
Speaker 1: I are giving it to him. Now we're doing our
Speaker 1: part right. Um, Listen, this has been fun. We'd love
Speaker 1: to have you back. It was really it was really
Speaker 1: nice talking to you. You're you're a delight and thank
Speaker 1: you you too. And you're a You're a true artist,
Speaker 1: you're a true actor. I can tell just from the
Speaker 1: short conversation we had. Keeping it real, keeping it real,
Speaker 1: keeping that flame, keeping that flame alive. So all the
Speaker 1: best to you, Susan, and thank you for coming on
Speaker 1: and thank you for your wonderful, wonderful work throughout your
Speaker 1: career and especially on this show and this episode. It
Speaker 1: was terrific. You're adul Thank you so much. Alright, sweetheart,
Speaker 1: all the best, all right, bye, hey everybody, and don't
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