Speaker 1: We are following breaking news out of North Idaho.
Speaker 2: The Mosco Police Department says they responded to reports of
Speaker 2: an unconscious person on King Road around noon today. When
Speaker 2: they got there, they found four people dead inside the home.
Speaker 3: The bodies of three women and one man, all twenty
Speaker 3: one or under, were found together. Victims were attacked with
Speaker 3: a large knife.
Speaker 1: This is a massacre.
Speaker 4: There's no other way to say it.
Speaker 3: This is the Idaho Massacre. A production of KT Studios
Speaker 3: and iHeartRadio, episode one Murders on King Road Courtney Armstrong,
Speaker 3: a television producer at KT Studios, with Stephanie Leidecker, Jeff Shane,
Speaker 3: and Connor Powell.
Speaker 5: Upon further investigation, officials found.
Speaker 6: Four people dead.
Speaker 2: The university sent an alert asking students to stay away
Speaker 2: from the area and to shelter in place.
Speaker 3: The killings, the first murders in the city of Moscow
Speaker 3: in years, terrified the small, close knit community. On November thirteenth,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, the normally idyllic college town of Moscow, Idaho,
Speaker 3: was shaken by the news of a gruesome murder. Just
Speaker 3: before noon on Sunday morning, a nine on one dispatcher
Speaker 3: received a call from a six bedroom house on eleven
Speaker 3: twenty two King Road. The callers at one of their
Speaker 3: roommates was unconscious. Emergency personnel rushed to the house. The
Speaker 3: three story rental property was tucked away on a quiet,
Speaker 3: dead end street. It was just feet from the University
Speaker 3: of Idaho's fraternity row and its scenic tree lined campus.
Speaker 3: Inside the house was described as a bloodbath the next day.
Speaker 3: Blood could be seen seeping through the walls and was
Speaker 3: visible from the street. The four victims were all close
Speaker 3: friends and students at the University of Idaho. Kaylee Gonsalvez,
Speaker 3: Madison Mogan, and Xana Cernodle all lived together in the
Speaker 3: house on King Rhoad. Ethan Schapin was Xana Cernudle's boyfriend
Speaker 3: and was visiting for the night.
Speaker 7: The reality is there's still a person out there who
Speaker 7: committed four horrible, horrible crimes.
Speaker 3: Here's Stephanie and Jeff.
Speaker 8: I think, like so many people, this case hit us,
Speaker 8: particularly because of the sheer magnitude of violence and tragedy
Speaker 8: that occurred in this house. You know, you have these
Speaker 8: four young people who were so full of life and
Speaker 8: had seemingly everything going for them, and it was taken
Speaker 8: so quickly and so violently that it just, at least
Speaker 8: for me personally, seems so unimaginable, Like the whole country.
Speaker 9: We were absolutely horrified when news broke of this case,
Speaker 9: and we immediately started digging in. And yes there was
Speaker 9: a lot of coverage at the start, but our goal
Speaker 9: here is hopefully to go a bit deeper into the case. Thankfully,
Speaker 9: a massacre so large it's incredibly rare, but whoever did
Speaker 9: this is essentially a great white shark of murderers. This
Speaker 9: was such an overkill. The exterior of the house walls
Speaker 9: were literally bleeding. What kind of maniac would do this?
Speaker 8: We really felt like as true crime producers, we wanted
Speaker 8: to focus our attention on the facts and really put
Speaker 8: everything in one place and make it manageable for people,
Speaker 8: because there are so many mistruths and headlines out there
Speaker 8: that aren't necessarily even fact checked, and so as a team,
Speaker 8: we really want to dive into this case and explore
Speaker 8: what's true and what's not.
Speaker 3: The University of Idaho is a classic red brick campus
Speaker 3: nestled in the green Rolling Hills in the northwestern corner
Speaker 3: of the state. It is situated in the small rural
Speaker 3: agricultural community of Moscow, Idah home before it was a
Speaker 3: crime scene. The house at eleven twenty two King Rhade
Speaker 3: was at the center of university life and home to
Speaker 3: five female roommates, Kayleie Gonsalvez, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, Dylan
Speaker 3: Mortensen and Bethany Funk. Just hours before the gruesome killings,
Speaker 3: twenty one year old senior Kayleie Gonsalvez posted a photo
Speaker 3: to social media showing all of the roommates and Xana's
Speaker 3: boyfriend Ethan Chapin during happier times.
Speaker 6: One lucky girl to be surrounded by these people every day,
Speaker 6: she wrote.
Speaker 9: When you look at some of the photographs that have
Speaker 9: been generated on social media or that we've seen on
Speaker 9: the news, for example, they look so happy and they
Speaker 9: literally look as though they're on the cover of a magazine,
Speaker 9: like a j crue Ad or a gap ad.
Speaker 8: Kaylee was the blonde, twenty one year old senior from Rathtroom, Idaho,
Speaker 8: who had majored in general studies. She had act She
Speaker 8: just graduated and was not officially living in the house
Speaker 8: on King Road, only back to visit for the weekend.
Speaker 8: She had been a member of Alpha Fi sorority and
Speaker 8: was a hard working student. She was actually on the
Speaker 8: verge of moving to Austin, Texas, where she was going
Speaker 8: to work at a tech company, and she had just
Speaker 8: bought this shiny new Range Rover to make the drive.
Speaker 8: She was in town to show her friends the new car.
Speaker 8: Kaylee and Fello Victim Madison Mogan had grown up together
Speaker 8: in northern Idaho, and the pair had been inseparable ever
Speaker 8: since sixth grade. They were more like sisters than friends.
Speaker 9: That's what makes this even more unimaginable. Their family said
Speaker 9: that they spent all of their time together. Imagine that,
Speaker 9: best friends since sixth grade, and they kind of look
Speaker 9: like sisters. Madison, who went by the name Maddie, was
Speaker 9: twenty one years old at the time of her death.
Speaker 9: She was also a marketing major. Maddie was known for
Speaker 9: her hilarious sense of humor. She was extremely bubbly, and
Speaker 9: she loved the color pink. I'm looking at a photo
Speaker 9: of her right now, and she's wearing this bright pink dress.
Speaker 9: She has long blonde hair, slightly wavy, and she is
Speaker 9: just smiling ear to ear. She also worked as a
Speaker 9: waitress at the Mad Greek restaurant, with her other roommate victim,
Speaker 9: twenty year old Xana Kernodle. Xana was also a stunning brunette.
Speaker 9: She was also very sporty. According to her friends, Xana
Speaker 9: played volleyball, track, and even soccer in high school. She
Speaker 9: was a junior at the University of Idaho at the
Speaker 9: time of her death. They are dear friends. They're sorority girls,
Speaker 9: they work together, and all three of them, by all accounts,
Speaker 9: who are very close.
Speaker 8: Xanna was dating twenty year old Ethan Chapin from Conway,
Speaker 8: Washington at the time of her death. Ethan was a
Speaker 8: freshman at the University of Idaho and a triplet who
Speaker 8: his siblings also went to school at Idaho, and he
Speaker 8: was very close with them and his fraternity brothers. But
Speaker 8: really the relationship that mattered to him most was his
Speaker 8: with Xana. While they were young, they had truly found love.
Speaker 8: They were spending time together outside of schooled in the
Speaker 8: summer with each other's families, and Xana's dad described their
Speaker 8: relationship as one of deep importance and seriousness, and despite
Speaker 8: losing their lives at a young age, he said he
Speaker 8: was happy that Xana and Ethan had found each other
Speaker 8: and at least were together when they died.
Speaker 3: The night of Saturday, November twelfth started like most weekend
Speaker 3: nights for the friends. Living at eleven twenty two King Road.
Speaker 3: Xana Kronodle and her boyfriend Ethan Chapin spent the evening
Speaker 3: partying at the nearby Sigma Chi fraternity house. Kaylee Consalvus
Speaker 3: and Madison Mogan were seen at the local sports bar.
Speaker 3: The pair left around one thirty in the morning, stopping
Speaker 3: at a local food truck. Surveillance photo in a social
Speaker 3: media stream from food truck captured Kaylee, Maddie and another
Speaker 3: friend ordering food around one forty am.
Speaker 10: Welcome back to day. Hi, yep, so what you want
Speaker 10: to do is well actually.
Speaker 9: Cool?
Speaker 10: Thank you absolutely.
Speaker 5: Police determined Maddie and Kaylee arrived home at one fifty
Speaker 5: six am. Based on new digital evidence collected by investigators,
Speaker 5: Ethan and Xanna are believed to have arrived just ten
Speaker 5: minutes beforehand.
Speaker 3: Around four in the morning, please say, Xana received a
Speaker 3: food order from door Dash. A little while later, one
Speaker 3: of the surviving roommates, Dylan Mortensen, was woken up by
Speaker 3: a sound. She thought it was Kaylee playing with her dog.
Speaker 11: She was on the same floor as two of the
Speaker 11: victims who were killed, Xana Cernadl and Ethan Chapin, telling
Speaker 11: police she was woken by a noise at four am,
Speaker 11: hearing Kaylee say something like there's someone here.
Speaker 5: She peeked outside her door but didn't see anything.
Speaker 3: At four to twelve am, Xana Stilloach was scrolling through
Speaker 3: the social media app TikTok. Just a few minutes later,
Speaker 3: Dylan told police she once again heard a noise.
Speaker 11: She heard crying from Xanna's room, followed by a male
Speaker 11: voice saying it's okay, I'm going to help you.
Speaker 5: She later opened her door again after hearing crying coming
Speaker 5: from Xana Kernodle's room. This time she saw a dark
Speaker 5: figure standing there.
Speaker 11: She opened her door and stood frozen as a man
Speaker 11: wearing black clothing and a mask that covered the person's
Speaker 11: mouth and nose walking towards her, describing him as five
Speaker 11: ten or taller, not very muscular, but athletically built, with
Speaker 11: bushy eyebrows.
Speaker 5: Terrified, she remained frozen in place as the suspect walked
Speaker 5: past her and left out the sliding glass door behind her.
Speaker 11: Authority say that roommate was in shock.
Speaker 5: After looking through surveillance footage and hearing the surviving victim's statements.
Speaker 5: Investigators say they believe the murders took place between four
Speaker 5: and four twenty five am.
Speaker 3: Eight hours after the killings, police were called to the
Speaker 3: house on King RhoD When they arrived, they found a
Speaker 3: gruesome scene four people, all brutally repeatedly stabbed death. Kaylee
Speaker 3: Gonsalvez and Madison Mogan were killed in the bed they
Speaker 3: were sharing on the third floor. Ethan Chapin and Xana
Speaker 3: Kernodle were found dead in her room. Ethan's throat was
Speaker 3: sliced nearby. His girlfriend, Xana Kernodle was found with multiple
Speaker 3: defensive wounds to her hands and arms. Three days after
Speaker 3: the murder's, investigators briefed the public.
Speaker 12: The results of autopsies indicated that the four were stabbed
Speaker 12: multiple times and were likely asleep during the attack. Some
Speaker 12: had defensive wounds, and there was no sign of sexual assault.
Speaker 12: We have heard mention that Kaylee stated she may have
Speaker 12: had a stalker. Detectives have been looking into that and
Speaker 12: to this point have been unable to corroborate the statement.
Speaker 3: According to investigators, there was no sign of forced entry
Speaker 3: and there was no murder weapon left at the scene.
Speaker 12: We continue looking for what we will leave to be
Speaker 12: a fixed blade knife used in the murders.
Speaker 3: However, the killer did leave one key piece of evidence behind.
Speaker 5: When inspecting the house for the first time, officers noticed
Speaker 5: a tan leather knife sheet lying on the bed where
Speaker 5: Keiley and Madison were found.
Speaker 3: Investigators also said they had ruled out several people.
Speaker 12: We do not believe the following individuals were involved. The
Speaker 12: two surviving roommates, the male scene in a grub truck
Speaker 12: video circulating on the internet, a private party who drove
Speaker 12: Kayley and Madison home, any of the individuals who spoke
Speaker 12: to the dispatcher on the nine one one call. We're
Speaker 12: also aware of a male whom Madison and Kaylee had
Speaker 12: called several times the morning of November thirteenth, and we
Speaker 12: did not suspect that individual.
Speaker 5: The question remaining who entered the residents later that night
Speaker 5: to carry out these grisly murders.
Speaker 3: Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in
Speaker 3: a moment. Joseph Scott Morgan is a forensic expert at
Speaker 3: Jackson State University and is a former senior investigator for
Speaker 3: the Fulton County Medical Examiner's office in Atlanta, Georgia. He
Speaker 3: spoke to producer Jeff Shane and Stephanie Leidecker about the
Speaker 3: crime site and the events of the morning of November thirteenth.
Speaker 13: I think the watchword here is intimacy. These kids that
Speaker 13: are in the middle of college careers that are partying,
Speaker 13: they're going to Greek parties, or they're preparing for a graduation.
Speaker 13: You know, it's a very protected environment. The thing you've
Speaker 13: got to worry about the most, probably in this location,
Speaker 13: is are you going to get another parking ticket by
Speaker 13: the police.
Speaker 9: There's also this layer of presumed safety when we're off
Speaker 9: in college, right, it's this bubble and it's supposed to be.
Speaker 9: It's horrifying to know that that level of safety isn't real.
Speaker 13: You're not thinking, you know, this is the apocalypse coming?
Speaker 13: Am I going to be slaughtered in my bed? Intimacy
Speaker 13: ends and begins with a perpetrator. He's intimate with them.
Speaker 13: They don't have an awareness of his intimacy.
Speaker 8: But what do you think happened in those sixteen minutes
Speaker 8: when he came into the house.
Speaker 13: There's two ground levels, so you have a parking pad
Speaker 13: that's in the rear of the building where you would
Speaker 13: enter in to the area that many people would say
Speaker 13: first floor, and I've heard some people say basement, and
Speaker 13: it's where there's a key there's a keypad, and according
Speaker 13: to everyone that I have heard talk about this to
Speaker 13: this point, many people knew the code on the keypad. Okay,
Speaker 13: but I don't think he entered through that location. He
Speaker 13: entered on what would be referred to as the second
Speaker 13: ground floor, which is there's kind of a field behind
Speaker 13: that extending outward away from the home that has kind
Speaker 13: of a brush line on either side. It's sufficient enough
Speaker 13: for concealment, so if the house is all ablaze in light,
Speaker 13: you could stand out there on the second level and
Speaker 13: stay back in this wooded area and see everything that's
Speaker 13: going on. It has been stated that that second floor
Speaker 13: entrance is actually the sliding glass door, and of course
Speaker 13: the darkness of night, you can stand there and you
Speaker 13: can watch everything that goes on if you're not illuminated,
Speaker 13: if you're not standing under some kind of artificial light outside,
Speaker 13: and every single movement you can track, you know, looking
Speaker 13: through that sliding glass door in the other associated windows,
Speaker 13: you can see when a light comes on upstairs, and
Speaker 13: you can't see anything that's going on on that bottom level,
Speaker 13: but you can see right into the second floor. So
Speaker 13: once the lights had died down and the perpetrator would
Speaker 13: have had knowledge that that back door, the glass door
Speaker 13: was commonly left unlocked, which is an interesting point, I think,
Speaker 13: because that again goes to an intimacy and a familiarity,
Speaker 13: doesn't it. So when the perpetrator makes entrance painting the picture,
Speaker 13: when you make entrance to that sliding glass door, it's
Speaker 13: kind of like a great room, if you will, kind
Speaker 13: of an open people used term open floor plan. You've
Speaker 13: got an area over to the right where I think
Speaker 13: that you know, there might be some seating. Over to
Speaker 13: the left is kind of a dining kitchen area. It'd
Speaker 13: be a great place to gather if you were having
Speaker 13: friends over. You know, people could come over, interior guests
Speaker 13: could spill out onto the little landing there outside the door.
Speaker 8: What else can you tell us about the house?
Speaker 13: We know that there were loud parties there because there
Speaker 13: had been noise complaints in the past. But when you
Speaker 13: walk in, if you go back to your right as
Speaker 13: you're walking through that sliding last door, there's bedrooms down
Speaker 13: that way, but he bypasses those and proceeds upstairs to
Speaker 13: the third floor. Well, you've got one bedroom that is occupied,
Speaker 13: another one that is unoccupied, and the one that is
Speaker 13: occupied are that room is actually occupied the night of
Speaker 13: killing by two friends. And when I say friends, I
Speaker 13: mean friends as close as two friends could possibly be.
Speaker 13: We're talking about two young ladies that had actually grown
Speaker 13: up together. They decided to go to u of I
Speaker 13: together because of this childhood bond that they had developed.
Speaker 13: One of the victims was preparing to graduate. As a
Speaker 13: matter of fact, her stuff was already out of her bedroom.
Speaker 13: She had come back to visit, and because there was
Speaker 13: no other place to sleep, they'd been out that night.
Speaker 13: So when they get back to this home, they're upstairs.
Speaker 13: And remember anybody that's in that backyard and they're waiting
Speaker 13: and they're watching. They could see movement of two people,
Speaker 13: perhaps these two young ladies, as they went past the
Speaker 13: sliding glass doors and then went up. Maybe there was
Speaker 13: a light that went on upstairs, and when the light
Speaker 13: finally went out upstairs, perhaps that's the moment time when
Speaker 13: you know to move. You've been thinking about this, you've
Speaker 13: been planning it, you're very excited about the opportunity that
Speaker 13: you're going to have to wreak havoc.
Speaker 3: For any friends or family connected to the victims, the
Speaker 3: following will be difficult to hear.
Speaker 13: You make the entrance through the house and you walk
Speaker 13: down the hall, you turn, you go up the staircase,
Speaker 13: and there they are before you. They're laying in bed. Now,
Speaker 13: was there an awareness that he had entered the room.
Speaker 13: Was there a scream, shout, or anything like that. It's
Speaker 13: hard to tell right now at this point, but it
Speaker 13: would appear that they were essentially killed where they were
Speaker 13: laying in that bed. They didn't move out of the bed,
Speaker 13: and this would have been a vicious attack. And even
Speaker 13: with alcohol in their systems, they're not blind drunk. There
Speaker 13: would have been knowledge on their part and awareness that
Speaker 13: there was an attack underway. And it's not just any
Speaker 13: kind of attack. It's not like someone's being shot. You're
Speaker 13: talking about a milled edge weapon that's made for combat,
Speaker 13: and it's been driven multiple times into each one of
Speaker 13: their bodies. There would have been screams, there would have
Speaker 13: been discomfort, there would have been cries, and there would
Speaker 13: have been blood. That bed itself, the walls around it,
Speaker 13: probably would have been a wash in blood. There would
Speaker 13: potentially have been so much blood it would have soaked
Speaker 13: through the mattress and dripped through on the surface below.
Speaker 13: Depended upon where they're stabbed and how many times they
Speaker 13: were stabbed. What about the killer, the perpetrator, the person
Speaker 13: that did this would have been effused with blood as well.
Speaker 13: They would have had blood certainly on their upper body,
Speaker 13: contact points on their hands, front end, back Palmer aspects.
Speaker 13: Just imagine a traditional sewing machine needle going up and
Speaker 13: down like this, and every time the knife is drawn away,
Speaker 13: the surface of this blade is covered in blood. It's
Speaker 13: going to be cast onto that person. Perhaps not to
Speaker 13: mention the adjacent surfaces, whether it's the ceiling or the walls,
Speaker 13: because it's dynamic. It's not like you're driving this knife
Speaker 13: into an inanimate object. These are living, breathing human beings
Speaker 13: that are reacting to pain. So they're going to be
Speaker 13: turning and twisting and jostling and trying to get away
Speaker 13: from the pain because their pain centers are alerted. That's
Speaker 13: what happens with stab ons. People can be shot and
Speaker 13: literally not be aware that they're shot. People are aware
Speaker 13: when they're stabbed or they're cut, and so it's a
Speaker 13: reactive kind of thing like this that's going on. And
Speaker 13: it's not just once or twice, it's multiple times. That's
Speaker 13: why I believe that that area is going to be
Speaker 13: supersaturated in blood. There's going to be a tremendous amount
Speaker 13: of trace evidence that's up there, blood evidence that's left behind,
Speaker 13: and then in this frenzy, for whatever reason, the sheath
Speaker 13: is left behind. So it's unknown in this period of
Speaker 13: time what the perpetrator does in this environment. Does this
Speaker 13: subject linger over the bodies or is it containment and
Speaker 13: I'm leaving. It would seem containment and leaving, But there's
Speaker 13: a problem. When he begins to x fill out of
Speaker 13: the house to leave to most probably exit the same
Speaker 13: way in which he came in. He meets up with
Speaker 13: young man that is with his girlfriend in her bedroom downstairs.
Speaker 13: Meets this young man at the door. He's a tall
Speaker 13: young man and according to reports, when he meets up
Speaker 13: with this perpetrator, the perpetrator cuts his throat. You got
Speaker 13: to think about that just for a second. This edge
Speaker 13: weapon is driven across the anterior aspect of his neck
Speaker 13: and his throat is cut right there. Again, blood. So
Speaker 13: if you take that biological element and comingle it with
Speaker 13: the two victims upstairs, and now you've gone into another
Speaker 13: bedroom on the second floor, and you've killed first this
Speaker 13: young man who's found dead, Apparently in the doorway. They
Speaker 13: were alerted somehow, they were up. We know that the
Speaker 13: young lady that was in there was actually on her
Speaker 13: phonel Tiktoket. After this young man was killed, the perpetrator
Speaker 13: went into the bedroom.
Speaker 3: Joseph Morgan is referring to Xana Kernodle and Ethan Japin.
Speaker 13: And this young lady that he killed in there after
Speaker 13: he'd just killed her boyfriend. She certainly had an awareness
Speaker 13: and you know how I know she fought back. It
Speaker 13: stated that she had sustained sharp force injuries to her hands,
Speaker 13: multiple and to her arms. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 13: the injuries on her hands were so deep that they
Speaker 13: cut the tendons on her hands. That's an indication that
Speaker 13: she's grabbing the blade and that the blade is actually
Speaker 13: as she grabs a blade, she's trying to fend it off,
Speaker 13: and as she grabs a blade's blade is being drug
Speaker 13: through her hand in order to generate this kind of injury.
Speaker 13: After if what we believed sequencing is right after stabbing
Speaker 13: so many times, you know, I think everybody can understand
Speaker 13: knives get dull. Right, So you're talking about butchering three
Speaker 13: other adults, and by the time you get to the
Speaker 13: fourth adult, the knife still has enough of an edge
Speaker 13: on it that it's going to cut through the hand,
Speaker 13: which the texture of our hands is. It's rough. As
Speaker 13: the reason they sell is handloation right to soften our hands.
Speaker 13: Our hands are rough, and not just cut the surface
Speaker 13: of the hands, but to cut down to structural elements
Speaker 13: within the hand, to cut through them, to slice through them.
Speaker 13: This knife was very, very sharp and had been prepared,
Speaker 13: probably for this specific intention. I don't know. Maybe the
Speaker 13: person had taken it and maybe they had a grinding stone,
Speaker 13: Maybe they took it to someplace to have it sharpened,
Speaker 13: or maybe they just sat alone in their apartment somewhere
Speaker 13: and used a whetstone and just sharpened it over and
Speaker 13: over and over again until they felt like it had
Speaker 13: enough of a sufficient edge. After that is perpetrated, it's
Speaker 13: my belief that the perpetrator exits the same way that
Speaker 13: they came in. Now, did they have to reopen the
Speaker 13: door That's key because what did we talk about. This
Speaker 13: individual would have been covered in blood, and if that's
Speaker 13: the case, did they put their hand on the handle
Speaker 13: of the door to pull it aside in order to
Speaker 13: exit out of the house, or did they leave it
Speaker 13: open knowing that that's the position that they were going
Speaker 13: to exit from that way you don't have to touch
Speaker 13: any other surfaces. Would this individual have been thinking that
Speaker 13: many moves ahead or did they run the risk of
Speaker 13: after they had all of the blood on them, did
Speaker 13: they pull it aside where they were wearing gloves or
Speaker 13: if they were wearing gloves, wear these blood saturated gloves,
Speaker 13: wear these clothes. You know what happened to them? Were
Speaker 13: they thrown away.
Speaker 6: In the trash?
Speaker 3: Here's Stephanie.
Speaker 9: I think it's just important to know. Which is why
Speaker 9: the reason that it's so important that we have you
Speaker 9: talk to us about this particular case is really because
Speaker 9: there's so and which crossover, in my opinion, between this
Speaker 9: case and the piked and massacre, specifically the overkill. The
Speaker 9: idea of ordinary people who just look like a neighbor
Speaker 9: who has opportunity somehow actually is the boogeyman. Are there
Speaker 9: any other similarities in your opinion.
Speaker 3: Here again, Joseph Scott Morgan.
Speaker 13: I worked in the morgue for many, many years, a
Speaker 13: long time. I've seen more blood than most people can imagine.
Speaker 13: And I have finished my day up in a morgue
Speaker 13: and I've been covered in blood. And that's under a
Speaker 13: very controlled, non pressure situation using the correct tools. Mind you,
Speaker 13: how much more so with somebody that has never been,
Speaker 13: to the best of my knowledge, around this kind of gore,
Speaker 13: this level of violence. How are they going to get
Speaker 13: out of this environment and not be covered in blood?
Speaker 13: They don't. I wouldn't think that they would have the
Speaker 13: same level of skill, certainly as a surgeon. It's certainly
Speaker 13: not some that works in my field in forensics, working
Speaker 13: in the morgue, where all we do is dissections day
Speaker 13: in and day out. I can't imagine that they could
Speaker 13: escape that scene without having blood from just covering certainly
Speaker 13: the anterior aspect of their body.
Speaker 11: This morning, students on Edge at the University of Idaho.
Speaker 3: The news of the murders and shockwaves through the community.
Speaker 3: In the immediate days after the discovery of the four bodies,
Speaker 3: authorities issued multiple conflicting statements about whether or not there
Speaker 3: was a continued threat to the public.
Speaker 11: An alert was sent to you and I telling students
Speaker 11: to stay away from the area and to shelter in place,
Speaker 11: and it has since been lifted.
Speaker 3: They insist there was no water threat to the public,
Speaker 3: yet there has still been no arrest.
Speaker 9: Police investigating the mysterious murders of four Idaho college.
Speaker 1: Students now say the threat to the community may not
Speaker 1: be over.
Speaker 7: The reality is there's still a person out there who
Speaker 7: committed four horrible, horrible crime.
Speaker 1: I felt like a lot of the residents, some of
Speaker 1: them were concerned, but a lot of the students left
Speaker 1: and they didn't come back. They decided to take their
Speaker 1: classes remotely, and they went home before Thanksgiving break. You know,
Speaker 1: people were on edge. It really scared a lot of
Speaker 1: people wondering who on earth would do something like this
Speaker 1: and why.
Speaker 3: That is Anteonette Levy Anjenette is a reporter with the
Speaker 3: Law and Crime Network. She was on the ground in
Speaker 3: Moscow after the murders and spoke to producer Jeff Shane.
Speaker 8: You were in Moscow following the murders.
Speaker 1: What was it like When you go to Moscow, Idaho,
Speaker 1: It's just this quiet college town. Not much happens there.
Speaker 1: The police department is tasked basically with keeping college kids safe,
Speaker 1: making sure they're not doing anything too crazy while they're drinking,
Speaker 1: and it just kind of shatters this sense of security
Speaker 1: that people living there had, especially among the college students.
Speaker 1: So many of them, even when I went there, were
Speaker 1: staying in their dorms and what have you to finish
Speaker 1: their classes remotely, because that's one of the things the
Speaker 1: university did was offer the kids remote classes so they
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to go out and about. Well, this was ongoing,
Speaker 1: so I think it put a lot of pressure on
Speaker 1: the Moscow Police department. They brought in the Idaho State Police,
Speaker 1: they brought in the FBI to assist. This was too
Speaker 1: big for them, and you know, to their credit, they
Speaker 1: realized that, but it would be too big for a
Speaker 1: lot of departments, even departments that are used to handling
Speaker 1: homicide investigations. You have four kids, that's four cell phones,
Speaker 1: that's four distinct crime scenes within one home, and video
Speaker 1: from all over to analyze. So this was a big task.
Speaker 8: How quickly do you think that they realized when you
Speaker 8: see a crime scene of this magnitude, this is a
Speaker 8: big deal. I does that happen immediately.
Speaker 1: You think, oh, I think they knew that walking into it.
Speaker 1: I think the minute they saw the amount of blood
Speaker 1: in the house, and everything we had heard was that
Speaker 1: there was a tremendous amount of blood in this home.
Speaker 1: We're talking about one of the victims, Sana Carnodle. Her
Speaker 1: father told a news outlet in Arizona that she fought,
Speaker 1: so she fought her attacker. There were defensive wounds.
Speaker 8: We're talking about people.
Speaker 1: Being stabbed in different parts of their torsos and other locations.
Speaker 1: That's a lot, a lot of blood. And plus they
Speaker 1: laid there for hours until someone was called, until nine
Speaker 1: when one was called. So that's a lot of time
Speaker 1: for someone to lay there and basically bleed out.
Speaker 3: But the gruesome details of the murder and the confused
Speaker 3: messages from public officials only stoked concerns.
Speaker 6: These posts on the university's Facebook page. Why is there
Speaker 6: not a huge manhunt going on and killers still at large?
Speaker 6: How can you reassure us the kids are safe?
Speaker 11: The school posting this notice on social media Monday, writing,
Speaker 11: increased security will be on site for the remainder of
Speaker 11: the semester.
Speaker 14: The search for a killer now in its third week,
Speaker 14: police say they still have no suspect or murder weapon
Speaker 14: in the deaths of four Idaho college students.
Speaker 3: Let's stop here for another break. As investigators cataloged hundreds
Speaker 3: of pieces of evidence and sorted through thousands of tips,
Speaker 3: the University of Idaho held vigils and a memorial service
Speaker 3: to remember Kaylee, Madison, Xana and Ethan Well.
Speaker 4: Hundreds gathered today in Post Falls for a memorial service
Speaker 4: for Kaylee, Madison, Xana, and Ethan.
Speaker 15: The world is a darker place without them, but the
Speaker 15: light of their the light of their love and memories
Speaker 15: will always guide us all.
Speaker 14: Anyone who knew Kaylee would tell you the same thing
Speaker 14: to nowhere was to love her. Her love for life
Speaker 14: and everyone in it was so inspiring. She made it
Speaker 14: a priority to make everyone feel so important and so loved,
Speaker 14: which is such a very rare and beautiful trait.
Speaker 16: There was never a day that she didn't want to
Speaker 16: race her brother because she was determined that girls were
Speaker 16: faster than boys, or that she didn't want to go
Speaker 16: bug her little sisters and and you know, make sure
Speaker 16: they knew that she was older and they were the
Speaker 16: little sisters. Kaylie huge part of her family, the dynamics
Speaker 16: of her family woman.
Speaker 15: Seen Mattie has cheerly been a blessing in our lives
Speaker 15: watching her girl and mature and to the amazing woman
Speaker 15: she become, cheery, priceless in our hearts.
Speaker 13: She was the to us.
Speaker 15: Favorite memory for me. He was watching the game with
Speaker 15: her and every time the Steelers scored, I'd pick her
Speaker 15: up and he said, I hold her than high in
Speaker 15: the air. And when we celebrate together, and she'd always
Speaker 15: just laugh so hard at that, we just crack up
Speaker 15: and have a great time.
Speaker 12: Sanna, you will not be forgotten.
Speaker 14: You have impacted so many lives and have given people
Speaker 14: so much love. I hope I can make you proud
Speaker 14: and try to leave an impact on this world and
Speaker 14: on people like you did.
Speaker 17: If you knew Ethan, he was never angry about anything.
Speaker 17: You would never get upset. He had such an infectious
Speaker 17: smile and a charismatic personality.
Speaker 5: Nearly three weeks after the murders, we still do not
Speaker 5: have a suspect profile at this time.
Speaker 3: For twenty four days, the investigation seemed to be making
Speaker 3: little progress. Family media publicly criticized investigators.
Speaker 4: I do not feel confident, and that's why I hate
Speaker 4: to be that guy, but everybody has a job and
Speaker 4: a role to.
Speaker 3: Play in this. This is my rule as a parent. Then,
Speaker 3: on December seventh, police announced a break in the investigation.
Speaker 4: Breaking news into in the investigation into the murders of
Speaker 4: the four University of idahos students.
Speaker 11: Just within the last hour, Moscow police have released the
Speaker 11: first potentially significant information regarding evidence connected in this case.
Speaker 4: Detectives announced just minutes ago that they are interested in
Speaker 4: talking to the person or people in a white twenty
Speaker 4: eleven to twenty thirteen Pondai elektra.
Speaker 3: Moscow police said a white Alancha car was seen near
Speaker 3: the home on King Road during the early hours of
Speaker 3: November thirteenth.
Speaker 4: Mosco police say the person or people in that car
Speaker 4: may have critical information regarding the case.
Speaker 3: But behind the scenes, the investigation had discovered other potentially
Speaker 3: important evidence. This included a single piece of male DNA.
Speaker 3: It was found on the button snap of the tan
Speaker 3: knife sheath found on the bed where Kailee and Madison
Speaker 3: were killed. Though they didn't announce it publicly, police were
Speaker 3: on the brink of an arrest.
Speaker 5: We have breaking news and the murders of four Idaho
Speaker 5: college students.
Speaker 11: Forty eight days after those gruesome murders, authorities making an arrest.
Speaker 3: In the early morning hours of Friday, December thirtieth, Approximately
Speaker 3: fifty officers and FBI agents stormed a single family home
Speaker 3: in the foothills of the Pocono Mountains.
Speaker 7: In conjunction with the Pennsylvania State Police, the Federal Bureau
Speaker 7: of Investigation detectives arrested twenty eight year old Brian Christopher
Speaker 7: Coleberger in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania, on a warrant for murder of
Speaker 7: ethan Zana Madison and Kayley.
Speaker 11: This morning, authorities putting a face to the fear.
Speaker 3: According to police, Coberger's home in Pennsylvania had been under
Speaker 3: surveillance for days. In the driveway a white Hondai Atlanta,
Speaker 3: exactly like the one investigators had been looking for.
Speaker 11: Police linked Coburger to the crime in part through DNA
Speaker 11: technology and tracked through his car.
Speaker 3: Brian Coberger grew up in Pennsylvania and dreamt of being
Speaker 3: a police officer.
Speaker 11: In a chilling twist, police say, the alleged killer studies
Speaker 11: criminology at Washington State University in Pullman.
Speaker 3: In the fall of twenty twenty two, Coburger began a
Speaker 3: PhD program in Pulman, Washington. This was just eight miles
Speaker 3: from the home on King Road where Madison, Kaylee, Xanna
Speaker 3: and Ethan were murdered.
Speaker 8: He's being very calm, He's very aware, he understands the proceedings.
Speaker 3: Coberger indicated to his Pennsylvania attorney, Monroe County public Defender
Speaker 3: Jason Labar, that he was innocent.
Speaker 8: Brian was very shocked by his arrest.
Speaker 13: Did not know why they were there.
Speaker 17: But Brian indicated me that he was eager to be exonerated.
Speaker 3: Some of those who know Brian Coberger were shocked at
Speaker 3: the arrest. Others weren't surprised.
Speaker 18: But she said to me, did you hear about Brian?
Speaker 15: And I'm like, I don't know what.
Speaker 9: You're talking about.
Speaker 12: She said, turn on the news and then I was like.
Speaker 18: Oh my god. But with that said, I was shocked,
Speaker 18: but it made sense.
Speaker 3: More on that next time. For more information on the
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Speaker 13: Please say.
Speaker 8: Thirty three year old bride Again was shot dead.
Speaker 13: Gunned down in front of his two year old daughter.
Speaker 9: Detectives confirmed that it was a targeted attack.
Speaker 17: It appears to be an execution style of assassination.
Speaker 18: This is very active, so we have to be careful.
Speaker 16: I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies
Speaker 16: in the basement.
Speaker 1: I knew, I just knew.
Speaker 3: Move wrong.
Speaker 7: Maybe there's something more sinister at play than just one
Speaker 7: young girl going missing.
Speaker 8: If you know something, heard something, please it's never too
Speaker 8: late to.
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