WEBVTT - Murders on King Road 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:06.480 We are following breaking news out of North Idaho. 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:09.920 The Mosco Police Department says they responded to reports of 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:14.120 an unconscious person on King Road around noon today. When 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:16.720 they got there, they found four people dead inside the home. 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:21.120 The bodies of three women and one man, all twenty 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:24.279 one or under, were found together. Victims were attacked with 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:25.200 a large knife. 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:26.240 This is a massacre. 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:27.680 There's no other way to say it. 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:38.320 This is the Idaho Massacre. A production of KT Studios 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:48.199 and iHeartRadio, episode one Murders on King Road Courtney Armstrong, 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:52.880 a television producer at KT Studios, with Stephanie Leidecker, Jeff Shane, 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:54.040 and Connor Powell. 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.920 Upon further investigation, officials found. 0:00:57.600 --> 0:00:58.480 Four people dead. 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.640 The university sent an alert asking students to stay away 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:03.640 from the area and to shelter in place. 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.160 The killings, the first murders in the city of Moscow 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:15.000 in years, terrified the small, close knit community. On November thirteenth, 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:19.560 twenty twenty two, the normally idyllic college town of Moscow, Idaho, 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:24.800 was shaken by the news of a gruesome murder. Just 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:27.880 before noon on Sunday morning, a nine on one dispatcher 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.720 received a call from a six bedroom house on eleven 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.080 twenty two King Road. The callers at one of their 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:41.080 roommates was unconscious. Emergency personnel rushed to the house. The 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.840 three story rental property was tucked away on a quiet, 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:47.160 dead end street. It was just feet from the University 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.720 of Idaho's fraternity row and its scenic tree lined campus. 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:57.920 Inside the house was described as a bloodbath the next day. 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.360 Blood could be seen seeping through the walls and was 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:04.279 visible from the street. The four victims were all close 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:08.280 friends and students at the University of Idaho. Kaylee Gonsalvez, 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:12.360 Madison Mogan, and Xana Cernodle all lived together in the 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:16.560 house on King Rhoad. Ethan Schapin was Xana Cernudle's boyfriend 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:18.040 and was visiting for the night. 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.560 The reality is there's still a person out there who 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.760 committed four horrible, horrible crimes. 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:27.120 Here's Stephanie and Jeff. 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:30.240 I think, like so many people, this case hit us, 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:34.240 particularly because of the sheer magnitude of violence and tragedy 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.640 that occurred in this house. You know, you have these 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.240 four young people who were so full of life and 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.360 had seemingly everything going for them, and it was taken 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.760 so quickly and so violently that it just, at least 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:49.440 for me personally, seems so unimaginable, Like the whole country. 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:53.200 We were absolutely horrified when news broke of this case, 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.400 and we immediately started digging in. And yes there was 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.079 a lot of coverage at the start, but our goal 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.560 here is hopefully to go a bit deeper into the case. Thankfully, 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:07.239 a massacre so large it's incredibly rare, but whoever did 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:11.720 this is essentially a great white shark of murderers. This 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:15.760 was such an overkill. The exterior of the house walls 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:21.200 were literally bleeding. What kind of maniac would do this? 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:26.000 We really felt like as true crime producers, we wanted 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:29.320 to focus our attention on the facts and really put 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.359 everything in one place and make it manageable for people, 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.360 because there are so many mistruths and headlines out there 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:39.400 that aren't necessarily even fact checked, and so as a team, 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.640 we really want to dive into this case and explore 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:42.800 what's true and what's not. 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:50.280 The University of Idaho is a classic red brick campus 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.760 nestled in the green Rolling Hills in the northwestern corner 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.280 of the state. It is situated in the small rural 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:01.480 agricultural community of Moscow, Idah home before it was a 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.640 crime scene. The house at eleven twenty two King Rhade 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.160 was at the center of university life and home to 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:15.040 five female roommates, Kayleie Gonsalvez, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, Dylan 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:20.280 Mortensen and Bethany Funk. Just hours before the gruesome killings, 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.960 twenty one year old senior Kayleie Gonsalvez posted a photo 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.760 to social media showing all of the roommates and Xana's 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:33.000 boyfriend Ethan Chapin during happier times. 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.600 One lucky girl to be surrounded by these people every day, 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:39.159 she wrote. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:41.880 When you look at some of the photographs that have 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.039 been generated on social media or that we've seen on 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.160 the news, for example, they look so happy and they 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.800 literally look as though they're on the cover of a magazine, 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.360 like a j crue Ad or a gap ad. 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.680 Kaylee was the blonde, twenty one year old senior from Rathtroom, Idaho, 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.040 who had majored in general studies. She had act She 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:03.120 just graduated and was not officially living in the house 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.839 on King Road, only back to visit for the weekend. 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.440 She had been a member of Alpha Fi sorority and 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.000 was a hard working student. She was actually on the 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:12.880 verge of moving to Austin, Texas, where she was going 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:14.919 to work at a tech company, and she had just 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.400 bought this shiny new Range Rover to make the drive. 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.240 She was in town to show her friends the new car. 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.200 Kaylee and Fello Victim Madison Mogan had grown up together 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.680 in northern Idaho, and the pair had been inseparable ever 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:29.120 since sixth grade. They were more like sisters than friends. 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.920 That's what makes this even more unimaginable. Their family said 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.159 that they spent all of their time together. Imagine that, 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.160 best friends since sixth grade, and they kind of look 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:44.800 like sisters. Madison, who went by the name Maddie, was 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:46.880 twenty one years old at the time of her death. 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.240 She was also a marketing major. Maddie was known for 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:54.360 her hilarious sense of humor. She was extremely bubbly, and 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.440 she loved the color pink. I'm looking at a photo 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:01.159 of her right now, and she's wearing this bright pink dress. 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.960 She has long blonde hair, slightly wavy, and she is 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.159 just smiling ear to ear. She also worked as a 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:12.520 waitress at the Mad Greek restaurant, with her other roommate victim, 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:17.320 twenty year old Xana Kernodle. Xana was also a stunning brunette. 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:21.560 She was also very sporty. According to her friends, Xana 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.760 played volleyball, track, and even soccer in high school. She 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:27.920 was a junior at the University of Idaho at the 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:32.600 time of her death. They are dear friends. They're sorority girls, 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:37.159 they work together, and all three of them, by all accounts, 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:38.000 who are very close. 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.120 Xanna was dating twenty year old Ethan Chapin from Conway, 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.919 Washington at the time of her death. Ethan was a 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.400 freshman at the University of Idaho and a triplet who 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:52.240 his siblings also went to school at Idaho, and he 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:55.120 was very close with them and his fraternity brothers. But 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.840 really the relationship that mattered to him most was his 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.720 with Xana. While they were young, they had truly found love. 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:04.440 They were spending time together outside of schooled in the 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:08.080 summer with each other's families, and Xana's dad described their 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:14.000 relationship as one of deep importance and seriousness, and despite 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.040 losing their lives at a young age, he said he 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.520 was happy that Xana and Ethan had found each other 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:20.880 and at least were together when they died. 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:27.520 The night of Saturday, November twelfth started like most weekend 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.480 nights for the friends. Living at eleven twenty two King Road. 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.440 Xana Kronodle and her boyfriend Ethan Chapin spent the evening 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:38.800 partying at the nearby Sigma Chi fraternity house. Kaylee Consalvus 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.080 and Madison Mogan were seen at the local sports bar. 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.080 The pair left around one thirty in the morning, stopping 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.160 at a local food truck. Surveillance photo in a social 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.880 media stream from food truck captured Kaylee, Maddie and another 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:58.040 friend ordering food around one forty am. 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:14.600 Welcome back to day. Hi, yep, so what you want 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.400 to do is well actually. 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:19.880 Cool? 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:20.960 Thank you absolutely. 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:25.160 Police determined Maddie and Kaylee arrived home at one fifty 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.960 six am. Based on new digital evidence collected by investigators, 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.840 Ethan and Xanna are believed to have arrived just ten 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:32.840 minutes beforehand. 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.320 Around four in the morning, please say, Xana received a 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.600 food order from door Dash. A little while later, one 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:44.199 of the surviving roommates, Dylan Mortensen, was woken up by 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.320 a sound. She thought it was Kaylee playing with her dog. 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.200 She was on the same floor as two of the 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:54.000 victims who were killed, Xana Cernadl and Ethan Chapin, telling 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.640 police she was woken by a noise at four am, 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.560 hearing Kaylee say something like there's someone here. 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.840 She peeked outside her door but didn't see anything. 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:07.200 At four to twelve am, Xana Stilloach was scrolling through 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.520 the social media app TikTok. Just a few minutes later, 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.160 Dylan told police she once again heard a noise. 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.760 She heard crying from Xanna's room, followed by a male 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.440 voice saying it's okay, I'm going to help you. 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.520 She later opened her door again after hearing crying coming 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.560 from Xana Kernodle's room. This time she saw a dark 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:28.640 figure standing there. 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.640 She opened her door and stood frozen as a man 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.680 wearing black clothing and a mask that covered the person's 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:38.760 mouth and nose walking towards her, describing him as five 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.760 ten or taller, not very muscular, but athletically built, with 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:44.199 bushy eyebrows. 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:48.240 Terrified, she remained frozen in place as the suspect walked 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.520 past her and left out the sliding glass door behind her. 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.160 Authority say that roommate was in shock. 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.800 After looking through surveillance footage and hearing the surviving victim's statements. 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.120 Investigators say they believe the murders took place between four 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.800 and four twenty five am. 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.280 Eight hours after the killings, police were called to the 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:11.240 house on King RhoD When they arrived, they found a 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:18.640 gruesome scene four people, all brutally repeatedly stabbed death. Kaylee 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.760 Gonsalvez and Madison Mogan were killed in the bed they 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:26.040 were sharing on the third floor. Ethan Chapin and Xana 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:29.760 Kernodle were found dead in her room. Ethan's throat was 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:36.000 sliced nearby. His girlfriend, Xana Kernodle was found with multiple 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:40.760 defensive wounds to her hands and arms. Three days after 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.120 the murder's, investigators briefed the public. 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:51.160 The results of autopsies indicated that the four were stabbed 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:55.319 multiple times and were likely asleep during the attack. Some 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:59.760 had defensive wounds, and there was no sign of sexual assault. 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.040 We have heard mention that Kaylee stated she may have 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:07.160 had a stalker. Detectives have been looking into that and 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:10.120 to this point have been unable to corroborate the statement. 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.679 According to investigators, there was no sign of forced entry 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.680 and there was no murder weapon left at the scene. 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.000 We continue looking for what we will leave to be 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:22.880 a fixed blade knife used in the murders. 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:27.000 However, the killer did leave one key piece of evidence behind. 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.640 When inspecting the house for the first time, officers noticed 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.320 a tan leather knife sheet lying on the bed where 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:34.760 Keiley and Madison were found. 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.720 Investigators also said they had ruled out several people. 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:43.120 We do not believe the following individuals were involved. The 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:47.760 two surviving roommates, the male scene in a grub truck 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:52.559 video circulating on the internet, a private party who drove 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.760 Kayley and Madison home, any of the individuals who spoke 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.280 to the dispatcher on the nine one one call. We're 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:04.240 also aware of a male whom Madison and Kaylee had 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:08.520 called several times the morning of November thirteenth, and we 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.079 did not suspect that individual. 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.760 The question remaining who entered the residents later that night 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.040 to carry out these grisly murders. 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.599 Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:31.800 a moment. Joseph Scott Morgan is a forensic expert at 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:35.440 Jackson State University and is a former senior investigator for 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:39.400 the Fulton County Medical Examiner's office in Atlanta, Georgia. He 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.440 spoke to producer Jeff Shane and Stephanie Leidecker about the 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:47.959 crime site and the events of the morning of November thirteenth. 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:52.040 I think the watchword here is intimacy. These kids that 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.160 are in the middle of college careers that are partying, 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:59.319 they're going to Greek parties, or they're preparing for a graduation. 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.880 You know, it's a very protected environment. The thing you've 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.560 got to worry about the most, probably in this location, 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.080 is are you going to get another parking ticket by 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:08.640 the police. 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:13.200 There's also this layer of presumed safety when we're off 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.800 in college, right, it's this bubble and it's supposed to be. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.640 It's horrifying to know that that level of safety isn't real. 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:24.120 You're not thinking, you know, this is the apocalypse coming? 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.679 Am I going to be slaughtered in my bed? Intimacy 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:31.600 ends and begins with a perpetrator. He's intimate with them. 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.520 They don't have an awareness of his intimacy. 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:36.720 But what do you think happened in those sixteen minutes 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:38.080 when he came into the house. 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.000 There's two ground levels, so you have a parking pad 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:43.880 that's in the rear of the building where you would 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.680 enter in to the area that many people would say 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.160 first floor, and I've heard some people say basement, and 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.360 it's where there's a key there's a keypad, and according 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.680 to everyone that I have heard talk about this to 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:59.000 this point, many people knew the code on the keypad. Okay, 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.120 but I don't think he entered through that location. He 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.880 entered on what would be referred to as the second 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:09.040 ground floor, which is there's kind of a field behind 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:13.880 that extending outward away from the home that has kind 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.840 of a brush line on either side. It's sufficient enough 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:20.600 for concealment, so if the house is all ablaze in light, 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.280 you could stand out there on the second level and 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.280 stay back in this wooded area and see everything that's 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:31.040 going on. It has been stated that that second floor 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:35.040 entrance is actually the sliding glass door, and of course 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.440 the darkness of night, you can stand there and you 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:40.440 can watch everything that goes on if you're not illuminated, 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:44.000 if you're not standing under some kind of artificial light outside, 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.240 and every single movement you can track, you know, looking 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:51.520 through that sliding glass door in the other associated windows, 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:53.400 you can see when a light comes on upstairs, and 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.880 you can't see anything that's going on on that bottom level, 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.240 but you can see right into the second floor. So 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:04.400 once the lights had died down and the perpetrator would 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.680 have had knowledge that that back door, the glass door 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:12.080 was commonly left unlocked, which is an interesting point, I think, 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.720 because that again goes to an intimacy and a familiarity, 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:22.200 doesn't it. So when the perpetrator makes entrance painting the picture, 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.400 when you make entrance to that sliding glass door, it's 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.760 kind of like a great room, if you will, kind 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.720 of an open people used term open floor plan. You've 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.720 got an area over to the right where I think 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.320 that you know, there might be some seating. Over to 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.920 the left is kind of a dining kitchen area. It'd 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.000 be a great place to gather if you were having 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:45.160 friends over. You know, people could come over, interior guests 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.920 could spill out onto the little landing there outside the door. 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:49.880 What else can you tell us about the house? 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:52.560 We know that there were loud parties there because there 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.280 had been noise complaints in the past. But when you 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.160 walk in, if you go back to your right as 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:03.200 you're walking through that sliding last door, there's bedrooms down 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:08.000 that way, but he bypasses those and proceeds upstairs to 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:12.200 the third floor. Well, you've got one bedroom that is occupied, 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.640 another one that is unoccupied, and the one that is 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.880 occupied are that room is actually occupied the night of 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.840 killing by two friends. And when I say friends, I 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:26.680 mean friends as close as two friends could possibly be. 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:30.080 We're talking about two young ladies that had actually grown 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.920 up together. They decided to go to u of I 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:37.520 together because of this childhood bond that they had developed. 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.400 One of the victims was preparing to graduate. As a 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.360 matter of fact, her stuff was already out of her bedroom. 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.040 She had come back to visit, and because there was 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.280 no other place to sleep, they'd been out that night. 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:52.400 So when they get back to this home, they're upstairs. 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.640 And remember anybody that's in that backyard and they're waiting 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:59.880 and they're watching. They could see movement of two people, 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.120 perhaps these two young ladies, as they went past the 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:06.040 sliding glass doors and then went up. Maybe there was 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.160 a light that went on upstairs, and when the light 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:12.200 finally went out upstairs, perhaps that's the moment time when 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.280 you know to move. You've been thinking about this, you've 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:18.639 been planning it, you're very excited about the opportunity that 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.120 you're going to have to wreak havoc. 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.560 For any friends or family connected to the victims, the 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:26.240 following will be difficult to hear. 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:31.520 You make the entrance through the house and you walk 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:33.840 down the hall, you turn, you go up the staircase, 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.640 and there they are before you. They're laying in bed. Now, 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:38.880 was there an awareness that he had entered the room. 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.960 Was there a scream, shout, or anything like that. It's 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.040 hard to tell right now at this point, but it 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:48.000 would appear that they were essentially killed where they were 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.119 laying in that bed. They didn't move out of the bed, 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.000 and this would have been a vicious attack. And even 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:59.479 with alcohol in their systems, they're not blind drunk. There 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:03.240 would have been knowledge on their part and awareness that 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:06.000 there was an attack underway. And it's not just any 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.760 kind of attack. It's not like someone's being shot. You're 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:13.600 talking about a milled edge weapon that's made for combat, 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.520 and it's been driven multiple times into each one of 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:18.879 their bodies. There would have been screams, there would have 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.840 been discomfort, there would have been cries, and there would 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.840 have been blood. That bed itself, the walls around it, 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:30.240 probably would have been a wash in blood. There would 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:32.520 potentially have been so much blood it would have soaked 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.840 through the mattress and dripped through on the surface below. 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.119 Depended upon where they're stabbed and how many times they 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:44.520 were stabbed. What about the killer, the perpetrator, the person 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:48.080 that did this would have been effused with blood as well. 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.280 They would have had blood certainly on their upper body, 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:55.359 contact points on their hands, front end, back Palmer aspects. 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:59.720 Just imagine a traditional sewing machine needle going up and 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:03.159 down like this, and every time the knife is drawn away, 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:09.520 the surface of this blade is covered in blood. It's 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.919 going to be cast onto that person. Perhaps not to 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:16.800 mention the adjacent surfaces, whether it's the ceiling or the walls, 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.280 because it's dynamic. It's not like you're driving this knife 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.840 into an inanimate object. These are living, breathing human beings 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:25.639 that are reacting to pain. So they're going to be 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.440 turning and twisting and jostling and trying to get away 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.360 from the pain because their pain centers are alerted. That's 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.280 what happens with stab ons. People can be shot and 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.760 literally not be aware that they're shot. People are aware 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.159 when they're stabbed or they're cut, and so it's a 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:43.000 reactive kind of thing like this that's going on. And 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:46.600 it's not just once or twice, it's multiple times. That's 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.080 why I believe that that area is going to be 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:52.200 supersaturated in blood. There's going to be a tremendous amount 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.719 of trace evidence that's up there, blood evidence that's left behind, 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:59.800 and then in this frenzy, for whatever reason, the sheath 0:19:59.880 --> 0:20:03.399 is left behind. So it's unknown in this period of 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.840 time what the perpetrator does in this environment. Does this 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:11.399 subject linger over the bodies or is it containment and 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:15.640 I'm leaving. It would seem containment and leaving, But there's 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:20.480 a problem. When he begins to x fill out of 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:24.160 the house to leave to most probably exit the same 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:27.159 way in which he came in. He meets up with 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:31.640 young man that is with his girlfriend in her bedroom downstairs. 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.479 Meets this young man at the door. He's a tall 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:39.359 young man and according to reports, when he meets up 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:45.040 with this perpetrator, the perpetrator cuts his throat. You got 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.240 to think about that just for a second. This edge 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:50.640 weapon is driven across the anterior aspect of his neck 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:53.960 and his throat is cut right there. Again, blood. So 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:57.720 if you take that biological element and comingle it with 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:01.520 the two victims upstairs, and now you've gone into another 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:05.199 bedroom on the second floor, and you've killed first this 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.200 young man who's found dead, Apparently in the doorway. They 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.960 were alerted somehow, they were up. We know that the 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:13.159 young lady that was in there was actually on her 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.600 phonel Tiktoket. After this young man was killed, the perpetrator 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:17.720 went into the bedroom. 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:22.520 Joseph Morgan is referring to Xana Kernodle and Ethan Japin. 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:25.560 And this young lady that he killed in there after 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.760 he'd just killed her boyfriend. She certainly had an awareness 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:31.080 and you know how I know she fought back. It 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:35.560 stated that she had sustained sharp force injuries to her hands, 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:39.240 multiple and to her arms. As a matter of fact, 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:42.520 the injuries on her hands were so deep that they 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.479 cut the tendons on her hands. That's an indication that 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.200 she's grabbing the blade and that the blade is actually 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:50.800 as she grabs a blade, she's trying to fend it off, 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:53.280 and as she grabs a blade's blade is being drug 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:57.600 through her hand in order to generate this kind of injury. 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:02.680 After if what we believed sequencing is right after stabbing 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:05.639 so many times, you know, I think everybody can understand 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:09.359 knives get dull. Right, So you're talking about butchering three 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:12.520 other adults, and by the time you get to the 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:15.640 fourth adult, the knife still has enough of an edge 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:17.480 on it that it's going to cut through the hand, 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:22.400 which the texture of our hands is. It's rough. As 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:25.080 the reason they sell is handloation right to soften our hands. 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:28.440 Our hands are rough, and not just cut the surface 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:31.560 of the hands, but to cut down to structural elements 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:34.640 within the hand, to cut through them, to slice through them. 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:37.480 This knife was very, very sharp and had been prepared, 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:41.159 probably for this specific intention. I don't know. Maybe the 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:44.359 person had taken it and maybe they had a grinding stone, 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:46.360 Maybe they took it to someplace to have it sharpened, 0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:48.800 or maybe they just sat alone in their apartment somewhere 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:52.000 and used a whetstone and just sharpened it over and 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:54.680 over and over again until they felt like it had 0:22:54.840 --> 0:23:00.280 enough of a sufficient edge. After that is perpetrated, it's 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:04.119 my belief that the perpetrator exits the same way that 0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:07.040 they came in. Now, did they have to reopen the 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:11.119 door That's key because what did we talk about. This 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:14.240 individual would have been covered in blood, and if that's 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:16.399 the case, did they put their hand on the handle 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:18.320 of the door to pull it aside in order to 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:20.720 exit out of the house, or did they leave it 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:23.399 open knowing that that's the position that they were going 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:26.200 to exit from that way you don't have to touch 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:29.359