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Speaker 1: We are following breaking news out of North Idaho.

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Speaker 2: The Mosco Police Department says they responded to reports of

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Speaker 2: an unconscious person on King Road around noon today. When

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Speaker 2: they got there, they found four people dead inside the home.

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Speaker 3: The bodies of three women and one man, all twenty

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Speaker 3: one or under, were found together. Victims were attacked with

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Speaker 3: a large knife.

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Speaker 1: This is a massacre.

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Speaker 4: There's no other way to say it.

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Speaker 3: This is the Idaho Massacre. A production of KT Studios

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Speaker 3: and iHeartRadio, episode one Murders on King Road Courtney Armstrong,

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Speaker 3: a television producer at KT Studios, with Stephanie Leidecker, Jeff Shane,

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Speaker 3: and Connor Powell.

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Speaker 5: Upon further investigation, officials found.

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Speaker 6: Four people dead.

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Speaker 2: The university sent an alert asking students to stay away

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Speaker 2: from the area and to shelter in place.

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Speaker 3: The killings, the first murders in the city of Moscow

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Speaker 3: in years, terrified the small, close knit community. On November thirteenth,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, the normally idyllic college town of Moscow, Idaho,

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Speaker 3: was shaken by the news of a gruesome murder. Just

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Speaker 3: before noon on Sunday morning, a nine on one dispatcher

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Speaker 3: received a call from a six bedroom house on eleven

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Speaker 3: twenty two King Road. The callers at one of their

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Speaker 3: roommates was unconscious. Emergency personnel rushed to the house. The

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Speaker 3: three story rental property was tucked away on a quiet,

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Speaker 3: dead end street. It was just feet from the University

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Speaker 3: of Idaho's fraternity row and its scenic tree lined campus.

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Speaker 3: Inside the house was described as a bloodbath the next day.

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Speaker 3: Blood could be seen seeping through the walls and was

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Speaker 3: visible from the street. The four victims were all close

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Speaker 3: friends and students at the University of Idaho. Kaylee Gonsalvez,

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Speaker 3: Madison Mogan, and Xana Cernodle all lived together in the

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Speaker 3: house on King Rhoad. Ethan Schapin was Xana Cernudle's boyfriend

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Speaker 3: and was visiting for the night.

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Speaker 7: The reality is there's still a person out there who

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Speaker 7: committed four horrible, horrible crimes.

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Speaker 3: Here's Stephanie and Jeff.

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Speaker 8: I think, like so many people, this case hit us,

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Speaker 8: particularly because of the sheer magnitude of violence and tragedy

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Speaker 8: that occurred in this house. You know, you have these

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Speaker 8: four young people who were so full of life and

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Speaker 8: had seemingly everything going for them, and it was taken

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Speaker 8: so quickly and so violently that it just, at least

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Speaker 8: for me personally, seems so unimaginable, Like the whole country.

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Speaker 9: We were absolutely horrified when news broke of this case,

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Speaker 9: and we immediately started digging in. And yes there was

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Speaker 9: a lot of coverage at the start, but our goal

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Speaker 9: here is hopefully to go a bit deeper into the case. Thankfully,

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Speaker 9: a massacre so large it's incredibly rare, but whoever did

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Speaker 9: this is essentially a great white shark of murderers. This

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Speaker 9: was such an overkill. The exterior of the house walls

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Speaker 9: were literally bleeding. What kind of maniac would do this?

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Speaker 8: We really felt like as true crime producers, we wanted

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Speaker 8: to focus our attention on the facts and really put

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Speaker 8: everything in one place and make it manageable for people,

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Speaker 8: because there are so many mistruths and headlines out there

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Speaker 8: that aren't necessarily even fact checked, and so as a team,

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Speaker 8: we really want to dive into this case and explore

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Speaker 8: what's true and what's not.

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Speaker 3: The University of Idaho is a classic red brick campus

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Speaker 3: nestled in the green Rolling Hills in the northwestern corner

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Speaker 3: of the state. It is situated in the small rural

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Speaker 3: agricultural community of Moscow, Idah home before it was a

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Speaker 3: crime scene. The house at eleven twenty two King Rhade

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Speaker 3: was at the center of university life and home to

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Speaker 3: five female roommates, Kayleie Gonsalvez, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, Dylan

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Speaker 3: Mortensen and Bethany Funk. Just hours before the gruesome killings,

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Speaker 3: twenty one year old senior Kayleie Gonsalvez posted a photo

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Speaker 3: to social media showing all of the roommates and Xana's

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Speaker 3: boyfriend Ethan Chapin during happier times.

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Speaker 6: One lucky girl to be surrounded by these people every day,

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Speaker 6: she wrote.

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Speaker 9: When you look at some of the photographs that have

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Speaker 9: been generated on social media or that we've seen on

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Speaker 9: the news, for example, they look so happy and they

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Speaker 9: literally look as though they're on the cover of a magazine,

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Speaker 8: Kaylee was the blonde, twenty one year old senior from Rathtroom, Idaho,

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Speaker 8: who had majored in general studies. She had act She

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Speaker 8: She had been a member of Alpha Fi sorority and

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Speaker 8: was a hard working student. She was actually on the

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Speaker 8: verge of moving to Austin, Texas, where she was going

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Speaker 8: She was in town to show her friends the new car.

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Speaker 8: Kaylee and Fello Victim Madison Mogan had grown up together

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Speaker 8: in northern Idaho, and the pair had been inseparable ever

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Speaker 8: since sixth grade. They were more like sisters than friends.

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Speaker 9: That's what makes this even more unimaginable. Their family said

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Speaker 9: that they spent all of their time together. Imagine that,

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Speaker 9: best friends since sixth grade, and they kind of look

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Speaker 9: like sisters. Madison, who went by the name Maddie, was

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Speaker 9: twenty one years old at the time of her death.

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Speaker 9: She was also a marketing major. Maddie was known for

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Speaker 9: her hilarious sense of humor. She was extremely bubbly, and

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Speaker 9: she loved the color pink. I'm looking at a photo

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Speaker 9: of her right now, and she's wearing this bright pink dress.

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Speaker 9: She has long blonde hair, slightly wavy, and she is

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Speaker 9: just smiling ear to ear. She also worked as a

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Speaker 9: waitress at the Mad Greek restaurant, with her other roommate victim,

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Speaker 9: twenty year old Xana Kernodle. Xana was also a stunning brunette.

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Speaker 9: She was also very sporty. According to her friends, Xana

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Speaker 9: played volleyball, track, and even soccer in high school. She

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Speaker 9: was a junior at the University of Idaho at the

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Speaker 9: time of her death. They are dear friends. They're sorority girls,

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Speaker 9: they work together, and all three of them, by all accounts,

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Speaker 9: who are very close.

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Speaker 8: Xanna was dating twenty year old Ethan Chapin from Conway,

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Speaker 8: Washington at the time of her death. Ethan was a

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Speaker 8: freshman at the University of Idaho and a triplet who

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Speaker 8: his siblings also went to school at Idaho, and he

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Speaker 8: was very close with them and his fraternity brothers. But

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Speaker 8: really the relationship that mattered to him most was his

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Speaker 8: with Xana. While they were young, they had truly found love.

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Speaker 8: They were spending time together outside of schooled in the

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Speaker 8: relationship as one of deep importance and seriousness, and despite

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Speaker 8: losing their lives at a young age, he said he

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Speaker 8: was happy that Xana and Ethan had found each other

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Speaker 3: The night of Saturday, November twelfth started like most weekend

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Speaker 3: nights for the friends. Living at eleven twenty two King Road.

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Speaker 3: Xana Kronodle and her boyfriend Ethan Chapin spent the evening

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Speaker 3: The pair left around one thirty in the morning, stopping

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Speaker 3: at a local food truck. Surveillance photo in a social

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Speaker 3: media stream from food truck captured Kaylee, Maddie and another

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Speaker 10: Welcome back to day. Hi, yep, so what you want

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Speaker 10: to do is well actually.

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Speaker 9: Cool?

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Speaker 10: Thank you absolutely.

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Speaker 5: Police determined Maddie and Kaylee arrived home at one fifty

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Speaker 5: six am. Based on new digital evidence collected by investigators,

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Speaker 5: Ethan and Xanna are believed to have arrived just ten

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Speaker 3: Around four in the morning, please say, Xana received a

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Speaker 3: food order from door Dash. A little while later, one

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Speaker 3: of the surviving roommates, Dylan Mortensen, was woken up by

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Speaker 11: She was on the same floor as two of the

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Speaker 11: victims who were killed, Xana Cernadl and Ethan Chapin, telling

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Speaker 11: police she was woken by a noise at four am,

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Speaker 11: hearing Kaylee say something like there's someone here.

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Speaker 5: She peeked outside her door but didn't see anything.

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Speaker 3: At four to twelve am, Xana Stilloach was scrolling through

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Speaker 3: Dylan told police she once again heard a noise.

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Speaker 11: She heard crying from Xanna's room, followed by a male

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Speaker 5: She later opened her door again after hearing crying coming

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Speaker 5: from Xana Kernodle's room. This time she saw a dark

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Speaker 11: She opened her door and stood frozen as a man

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Speaker 11: wearing black clothing and a mask that covered the person's

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Speaker 11: ten or taller, not very muscular, but athletically built, with

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Speaker 5: Terrified, she remained frozen in place as the suspect walked

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Speaker 11: Authority say that roommate was in shock.

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Speaker 5: After looking through surveillance footage and hearing the surviving victim's statements.

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Speaker 5: Investigators say they believe the murders took place between four

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Speaker 3: Eight hours after the killings, police were called to the

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Speaker 3: gruesome scene four people, all brutally repeatedly stabbed death. Kaylee

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Speaker 3: Gonsalvez and Madison Mogan were killed in the bed they

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Speaker 3: were sharing on the third floor. Ethan Chapin and Xana

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Speaker 3: Kernodle were found dead in her room. Ethan's throat was

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Speaker 3: defensive wounds to her hands and arms. Three days after

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Speaker 12: The results of autopsies indicated that the four were stabbed

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Speaker 12: multiple times and were likely asleep during the attack. Some

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Speaker 12: We have heard mention that Kaylee stated she may have

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Speaker 12: had a stalker. Detectives have been looking into that and

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Speaker 3: According to investigators, there was no sign of forced entry

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Speaker 12: We continue looking for what we will leave to be

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Speaker 12: a fixed blade knife used in the murders.

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Speaker 3: However, the killer did leave one key piece of evidence behind.

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Speaker 5: When inspecting the house for the first time, officers noticed

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Speaker 5: a tan leather knife sheet lying on the bed where

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Speaker 5: Keiley and Madison were found.

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Speaker 3: Investigators also said they had ruled out several people.

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Speaker 12: We do not believe the following individuals were involved. The

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Speaker 12: video circulating on the internet, a private party who drove

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Speaker 12: Kayley and Madison home, any of the individuals who spoke

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Speaker 12: to the dispatcher on the nine one one call. We're

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Speaker 12: also aware of a male whom Madison and Kaylee had

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Speaker 12: called several times the morning of November thirteenth, and we

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Speaker 5: The question remaining who entered the residents later that night

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Speaker 3: Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in

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Speaker 3: a moment. Joseph Scott Morgan is a forensic expert at

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Speaker 3: Jackson State University and is a former senior investigator for

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Speaker 3: the Fulton County Medical Examiner's office in Atlanta, Georgia. He

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Speaker 3: spoke to producer Jeff Shane and Stephanie Leidecker about the

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Speaker 3: crime site and the events of the morning of November thirteenth.

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Speaker 13: I think the watchword here is intimacy. These kids that

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Speaker 13: are in the middle of college careers that are partying,

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Speaker 13: they're going to Greek parties, or they're preparing for a graduation.

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Speaker 13: You know, it's a very protected environment. The thing you've

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Speaker 13: got to worry about the most, probably in this location,

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Speaker 13: is are you going to get another parking ticket by

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Speaker 13: the police.

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Speaker 9: There's also this layer of presumed safety when we're off

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Speaker 9: in college, right, it's this bubble and it's supposed to be.

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Speaker 8: But what do you think happened in those sixteen minutes

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Speaker 13: There's two ground levels, so you have a parking pad

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Speaker 13: We know that there were loud parties there because there

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Speaker 13: We're talking about two young ladies that had actually grown

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Speaker 13: So when they get back to this home, they're upstairs.

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Speaker 13: And remember anybody that's in that backyard and they're waiting

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Speaker 3: For any friends or family connected to the victims, the

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Speaker 13: You make the entrance through the house and you walk

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Speaker 13: and this would have been a vicious attack. And even

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Speaker 13: Depended upon where they're stabbed and how many times they

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Speaker 13: They would have had blood certainly on their upper body,

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Speaker 13: Just imagine a traditional sewing machine needle going up and

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Speaker 13: because it's dynamic. It's not like you're driving this knife

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Speaker 13: I'm leaving. It would seem containment and leaving, But there's

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Speaker 13: And this young lady that he killed in there after

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Speaker 13: This knife was very, very sharp and had been prepared,

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Speaker 6: In the trash?

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Speaker 3: Here's Stephanie.

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Speaker 9: I think it's just important to know. Which is why

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Speaker 3: Here again, Joseph Scott Morgan.

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Speaker 13: I worked in the morgue for many, many years, a

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Speaker 13: They don't. I wouldn't think that they would have the

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Speaker 13: the anterior aspect of their body.

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Speaker 11: This morning, students on Edge at the University of Idaho.

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Speaker 3: The news of the murders and shockwaves through the community.

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Speaker 3: In the immediate days after the discovery of the four bodies,

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Speaker 3: authorities issued multiple conflicting statements about whether or not there

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Speaker 3: was a continued threat to the public.

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Speaker 11: An alert was sent to you and I telling students

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Speaker 11: to stay away from the area and to shelter in place,

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Speaker 11: and it has since been lifted.

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Speaker 3: They insist there was no water threat to the public,

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Speaker 3: yet there has still been no arrest.

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Speaker 9: Police investigating the mysterious murders of four Idaho college.

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Speaker 1: Students now say the threat to the community may not

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Speaker 1: be over.

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Speaker 7: The reality is there's still a person out there who

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Speaker 7: committed four horrible, horrible crime.

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Speaker 1: I felt like a lot of the residents, some of

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Speaker 1: them were concerned, but a lot of the students left

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Speaker 1: and they didn't come back. They decided to take their

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Speaker 1: classes remotely, and they went home before Thanksgiving break. You know,

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Speaker 1: people were on edge. It really scared a lot of

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Speaker 1: people wondering who on earth would do something like this

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Speaker 1: and why.

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Speaker 3: That is Anteonette Levy Anjenette is a reporter with the

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Speaker 3: Law and Crime Network. She was on the ground in

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Speaker 3: Moscow after the murders and spoke to producer Jeff Shane.

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Speaker 8: You were in Moscow following the murders.

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Speaker 1: What was it like When you go to Moscow, Idaho,

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Speaker 1: It's just this quiet college town. Not much happens there.

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Speaker 1: The police department is tasked basically with keeping college kids safe,

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Speaker 1: making sure they're not doing anything too crazy while they're drinking,

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Speaker 1: and it just kind of shatters this sense of security

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Speaker 1: that people living there had, especially among the college students.

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Speaker 1: So many of them, even when I went there, were

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Speaker 1: staying in their dorms and what have you to finish

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Speaker 1: their classes remotely, because that's one of the things the

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Speaker 1: university did was offer the kids remote classes so they

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have to go out and about. Well, this was ongoing,

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Speaker 1: so I think it put a lot of pressure on

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Speaker 1: the Moscow Police department. They brought in the Idaho State Police,

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Speaker 1: they brought in the FBI to assist. This was too

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Speaker 1: big for them, and you know, to their credit, they

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Speaker 1: realized that, but it would be too big for a

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Speaker 1: lot of departments, even departments that are used to handling

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Speaker 1: homicide investigations. You have four kids, that's four cell phones,

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Speaker 1: that's four distinct crime scenes within one home, and video

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Speaker 1: from all over to analyze. So this was a big task.

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Speaker 8: How quickly do you think that they realized when you

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Speaker 8: see a crime scene of this magnitude, this is a

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Speaker 8: big deal. I does that happen immediately.

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Speaker 1: You think, oh, I think they knew that walking into it.

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Speaker 1: I think the minute they saw the amount of blood

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Speaker 1: in the house, and everything we had heard was that

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Speaker 1: there was a tremendous amount of blood in this home.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about one of the victims, Sana Carnodle. Her

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Speaker 1: father told a news outlet in Arizona that she fought,

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Speaker 1: so she fought her attacker. There were defensive wounds.

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Speaker 8: We're talking about people.

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Speaker 1: Being stabbed in different parts of their torsos and other locations.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot, a lot of blood. And plus they

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Speaker 1: laid there for hours until someone was called, until nine

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Speaker 1: when one was called. So that's a lot of time

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Speaker 1: for someone to lay there and basically bleed out.

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Speaker 3: But the gruesome details of the murder and the confused

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Speaker 3: messages from public officials only stoked concerns.

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Speaker 6: These posts on the university's Facebook page. Why is there

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Speaker 6: not a huge manhunt going on and killers still at large?

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Speaker 6: How can you reassure us the kids are safe?

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Speaker 11: The school posting this notice on social media Monday, writing,

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Speaker 11: increased security will be on site for the remainder of

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Speaker 11: the semester.

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Speaker 14: The search for a killer now in its third week,

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Speaker 14: police say they still have no suspect or murder weapon

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Speaker 14: in the deaths of four Idaho college students.

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Speaker 3: Let's stop here for another break. As investigators cataloged hundreds

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Speaker 3: of pieces of evidence and sorted through thousands of tips,

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Speaker 3: the University of Idaho held vigils and a memorial service

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Speaker 3: to remember Kaylee, Madison, Xana and Ethan Well.

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Speaker 4: Hundreds gathered today in Post Falls for a memorial service

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Speaker 4: for Kaylee, Madison, Xana, and Ethan.

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Speaker 15: The world is a darker place without them, but the

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Speaker 15: light of their the light of their love and memories

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Speaker 15: will always guide us all.

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Speaker 14: Anyone who knew Kaylee would tell you the same thing

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Speaker 14: to nowhere was to love her. Her love for life

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Speaker 14: and everyone in it was so inspiring. She made it

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Speaker 14: a priority to make everyone feel so important and so loved,

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Speaker 14: which is such a very rare and beautiful trait.

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Speaker 16: There was never a day that she didn't want to

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Speaker 16: race her brother because she was determined that girls were

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Speaker 16: faster than boys, or that she didn't want to go

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Speaker 16: bug her little sisters and and you know, make sure

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Speaker 16: they knew that she was older and they were the

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Speaker 16: little sisters. Kaylie huge part of her family, the dynamics

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Speaker 16: of her family woman.

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Speaker 15: Seen Mattie has cheerly been a blessing in our lives

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Speaker 15: watching her girl and mature and to the amazing woman

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Speaker 15: she become, cheery, priceless in our hearts.

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Speaker 13: She was the to us.

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Speaker 15: Favorite memory for me. He was watching the game with

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Speaker 15: her and every time the Steelers scored, I'd pick her

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Speaker 15: up and he said, I hold her than high in

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Speaker 15: the air. And when we celebrate together, and she'd always

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Speaker 15: just laugh so hard at that, we just crack up

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Speaker 15: and have a great time.

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Speaker 12: Sanna, you will not be forgotten.

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Speaker 14: You have impacted so many lives and have given people

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Speaker 14: so much love. I hope I can make you proud

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Speaker 14: and try to leave an impact on this world and

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Speaker 14: on people like you did.

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Speaker 17: If you knew Ethan, he was never angry about anything.

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Speaker 17: You would never get upset. He had such an infectious

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Speaker 17: smile and a charismatic personality.

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Speaker 5: Nearly three weeks after the murders, we still do not

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Speaker 5: have a suspect profile at this time.

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Speaker 3: For twenty four days, the investigation seemed to be making

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Speaker 3: little progress. Family media publicly criticized investigators.

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Speaker 4: I do not feel confident, and that's why I hate

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Speaker 4: to be that guy, but everybody has a job and

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Speaker 4: a role to.

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Speaker 3: Play in this. This is my rule as a parent. Then,

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Speaker 3: on December seventh, police announced a break in the investigation.

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Speaker 4: Breaking news into in the investigation into the murders of

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Speaker 4: the four University of idahos students.

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Speaker 11: Just within the last hour, Moscow police have released the

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Speaker 11: first potentially significant information regarding evidence connected in this case.

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Speaker 4: Detectives announced just minutes ago that they are interested in

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Speaker 4: talking to the person or people in a white twenty

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Speaker 4: eleven to twenty thirteen Pondai elektra.

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Speaker 3: Moscow police said a white Alancha car was seen near

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Speaker 3: the home on King Road during the early hours of

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Speaker 3: November thirteenth.

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Speaker 4: Mosco police say the person or people in that car

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Speaker 4: may have critical information regarding the case.

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Speaker 3: But behind the scenes, the investigation had discovered other potentially

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Speaker 3: important evidence. This included a single piece of male DNA.

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Speaker 3: It was found on the button snap of the tan

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Speaker 3: knife sheath found on the bed where Kailee and Madison

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Speaker 3: were killed. Though they didn't announce it publicly, police were

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Speaker 3: on the brink of an arrest.

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Speaker 5: We have breaking news and the murders of four Idaho

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Speaker 5: college students.

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Speaker 11: Forty eight days after those gruesome murders, authorities making an arrest.

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Speaker 3: In the early morning hours of Friday, December thirtieth, Approximately

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Speaker 3: fifty officers and FBI agents stormed a single family home

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Speaker 3: in the foothills of the Pocono Mountains.

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Speaker 7: In conjunction with the Pennsylvania State Police, the Federal Bureau

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Speaker 7: of Investigation detectives arrested twenty eight year old Brian Christopher

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Speaker 7: Coleberger in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania, on a warrant for murder of

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Speaker 7: ethan Zana Madison and Kayley.

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Speaker 11: This morning, authorities putting a face to the fear.

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Speaker 3: According to police, Coberger's home in Pennsylvania had been under

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Speaker 3: surveillance for days. In the driveway a white Hondai Atlanta,

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Speaker 3: exactly like the one investigators had been looking for.

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Speaker 11: Police linked Coburger to the crime in part through DNA

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Speaker 11: technology and tracked through his car.

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Speaker 3: Brian Coberger grew up in Pennsylvania and dreamt of being

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Speaker 3: a police officer.

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Speaker 11: In a chilling twist, police say, the alleged killer studies

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Speaker 11: criminology at Washington State University in Pullman.

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Speaker 3: In the fall of twenty twenty two, Coburger began a

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Speaker 3: PhD program in Pulman, Washington. This was just eight miles

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Speaker 3: from the home on King Road where Madison, Kaylee, Xanna

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Speaker 3: and Ethan were murdered.

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Speaker 8: He's being very calm, He's very aware, he understands the proceedings.

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Speaker 3: Coberger indicated to his Pennsylvania attorney, Monroe County public Defender

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Speaker 3: Jason Labar, that he was innocent.

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Speaker 8: Brian was very shocked by his arrest.

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Speaker 13: Did not know why they were there.

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Speaker 17: But Brian indicated me that he was eager to be exonerated.

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Speaker 3: Some of those who know Brian Coberger were shocked at

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Speaker 3: the arrest. Others weren't surprised.

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Speaker 18: But she said to me, did you hear about Brian?

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Speaker 15: And I'm like, I don't know what.

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Speaker 9: You're talking about.

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Speaker 12: She said, turn on the news and then I was like.

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Speaker 18: Oh my god. But with that said, I was shocked,

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Speaker 18: but it made sense.

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Speaker 3: More on that next time. For more information on the

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Speaker 13: Please say.

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Speaker 8: Thirty three year old bride Again was shot dead.

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Speaker 13: Gunned down in front of his two year old daughter.

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Speaker 9: Detectives confirmed that it was a targeted attack.

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Speaker 17: It appears to be an execution style of assassination.

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Speaker 18: This is very active, so we have to be careful.

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Speaker 16: I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies

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Speaker 16: in the basement.

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Speaker 1: I knew, I just knew.

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Speaker 3: Move wrong.

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Speaker 7: Maybe there's something more sinister at play than just one

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Speaker 7: young girl going missing.

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Speaker 8: If you know something, heard something, please it's never too

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Speaker 10: Do the right thing.

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